Episode 87: Flat Earth Conversation with Scipio Eruditus

The following presentation isn't Al margat Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files, and we have a tremendous guest for you today who will be joining us just a moment, the one and only a Skippius Perditus, who has a tremendous substact that I don't not only subscribe to, but I support financially. Dispatches from

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reality comes out, I'm always anxious to read it. Sometimes they don't get to it until the evening. But he is one of the better writers on the entire platform of substack in my opinion, and he is Skipio. Ardita Scipio. Thanks for joining us today. Man, how are you. I'm doing great, George, thanks man, No pressure there, right, No, I mean it's I love I say all the time. There's millions of people who have YouTube channels, and there's literally hundreds of thousands, maybe millions

of podcasts that are out there. But I've always had a certain and I'll be honest with you, almost a jealousy with people who can write, because it's a very special gift being able to take, Like I can sit here and think of something and say it'd be able to sit down and write out things in the way that you do. And there's a few other writers out there who I really admire. It is a really a special talent, and I love reading your dispatches. So it's really a tremendous to have you here

on the program. Yeah. Thanks man. You know, like Rush said, talent on loan from God, I can't I can't take credit for it. There you go. Well, why don't you introduce yourself to the listeners. Yeah, I'm a Scipio eruditis pseudonym. I man, My my truth journey has been a it's been an interesting one, you know. So I my truth journey is really my testimony. You know, in a lot of

ways, I believe that the truth is quite literally Jesus Christ. And so from a young age I was saved and had, you know, grown up in the church, and so you know, I look back on it now and I can see how God was really preparing me to understand some of these things. And uh, you know, because I'd gone down the you know, fossil trail there and you know, the the worldwide flood. I mean, I was already I believed in a literal, you know, genesis story, and so it's once I, once I understood a lot of that.

When you get exposed to flat earth and some of these other concepts, it's like, oh, yeah, of course, you know. H It didn't take it didn't take me very long too for it to kind of click, you know, when I was first exposed to it. But that was really I was really one of the last the last stops on the truth train that I that I stopped off at because yeah, I've I was about a lot of other stuff and then I you know, I kept stumbling upon upon this one. You know, I was like, okay, I'll check it out

right. My it's funny enough. My wife is a flat earther actually, and she was a flat earth when I met her before, before I was really exposed to it, and I didn't talk about it a ton, but you know, she she had told me, you know, I'm a flat Earth, and I didn't really think anything of it, you know. But when I went down that rabbit hit that rabbit trail and started looking into some of it, she was like, yeah, I told you. Yeah. And it's one of those things. Once you you see it, it's very

hard to unsee it. And it's interesting when I first, you know, got exposed to flat Earth, and then I reread Genesis many times, but it took me still a couple of years for me to to connect some other dots. I'm like, wait a second. You know, the Tower of Babel, you know, if he lose centrism was really a thing. And

some people say, oh, that's a stretch. But I actually had Gary Wayne on the podcast and he wrote a book about Genesis six, and I'd mentioned that, you know, they were literally, you know, the scripture says very clearly that they were using brick and mortar to build this tower to the heavens to to overthrow God right. And that's where they're building at the moon, wherever they're going, where they're going to to Saturn and then parlay

themselves off the rings to go right. And I don't buy the dimensions stuff so much because you know, and then I get emails from folks about different things. And I think it's just a dangerous precedent to decide what is actual events historical events, because the Bible is very much historical, you know, as it is the story of Jesus Christ. And I think it's just a dangerous precedent to say this actually happened, but this didn't. What are your

thoughts on that? Oh, one hundred percent agree. I mean, not only is it dangerous, but it's a fundamentally a historic model to interpret the Bible through, right, So it is just an objective fact that the ancient Hebrews thought that we lived in a you know, a self contained realm, right, and that the firmament was not you know, like space, right as some people say, uh, some you know, real even fundamentalists, you know preachers will say, right, you know that the third heavens there

is actually space, and it's h This has been one of the most interesting, really interesting studies and areas I've gone down right because I uh, for several years I've been really trying to study the history of the church in depth, right, and what the early church fathers believed, what the apostles believed, and how that was practiced and you know, how the faith grew, you know, because it's a I think the proof is really in the pudding.

You know, we have a lot of historical I mean, the historical evidence that Jesus Christ is a real figure is not even debatable by any serious academic or scholar. You know. Uh, it's just it's just not We have almost a dozen historical, like very very rock solid historical sources that talk about not just Jesus Christ the man uh and Christians, but also talk about the miracles that he did. Right, and so the fact that every single one of the apostles was willing to die for what they saw, I mean,

does that not tell you that the strength of their convictions. It's really hard to argue with a testimony like that, right, And it's through that kind of testimony that people have. I mean, you know, Christians have really changed the world, and so I this has to be one of the most pernicious lies that has been foisted upon the Church. And there have been many, but this is this is right out there, you know, this

is this is the granddaddy of them all. Really is fooling Christians into thinking that we are in this chaotic and personal realm that the universe was not created for us that there's all this other you know, I mean, who knows if there's right, there's aliens, other life out there. Uh, there is. Once you start questioning this, and you know, I've I've said it in conversations, you know, with people, as I've brought up this subject, it's I mean, these are the very first words of the Bible.

If you cannot take God at his word from the very outset, then yeah, I don't know what we're doing here, you know. I mean, this is not they're not just pretty allegories. They're not just you know, uh, myths or symbols. I mean, there definitely is you know, symbolic you know, symbolism and symbology within the Bible. Sure, Uh you know the prophetic books obviously, you know that's but that specifically states within the books, you know that these are not literal things that are being witnessed.

I mean that's evidenced by the fact that the prophets, you know, when they're seeing these things, they don't know what it means. They keep asking, Hey, what is this, Lord, what is this? And they're not told for most of the symbols. And so outside of those very specific instances, where you know, just simple logic and the text of the chapter itself or the book itself makes clear that this is not a literal happening. Not that literal things don't happen in them, you know, but it's

not entirely a literal thing. We're talking about spiritual and literal things here. But you know, for outside of those very specific instances, the rest of this is to be and was taken as the literal word of God. Indeed, and when you mentioned about the apostles, not only were they willing to die, but my goodness, the way they died. Yeah, really some of the most horrific manners you could you could die, you know, so

incredible, really well said. And as far as your journey to flat Earth and you had mentioned that your wife was a flat earth before you guys even met, But were there online influencers who made me Really that helps you find the truth, whether it be you know, whether it's a David Weiss or any of the big rob Yeah, I actually hadn't stumbled upon any of the big name people is looking for like a Christian angle to it, you know, because I no offense to you know, those out there who aren't.

But I'm not trying to. I've already learned enough of the knowledge of the world, you know, I don't need more of it. So I'm looking for the knowledge of God here and the wisdom of God. And I was interested in a perspective on that. So there's this podcast it's called the Christian and Conspiracy Podcast, And you know, I don't agree with one hundred percent of what they say, but it's the the flower stuff that they have was

very interesting, you know. And they were talking about all the Bible verses and showing the Bible verses and I was like, Okay, this is pretty hard to argue with, right, So I mean Genesis one, right from the very beginning, you know, if I'm just gonna read here in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was out without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God

said, let there be light. And there was light. And God saw the light that it was good. And God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. So before there's any suns, before there is I mean, you know, besides the Son of God, right before there's any any celestial objects that could create light, light

is already there. And you know, I think one of the very interesting things too, is you look at the first three, the first three verses of the Bible here, and you will see God the Father right when he creates heaven. You will see the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, as it moves upon the face of the waters. And then the word and light both are manifestations of Jesus Christ himself. You see that in the third verse there exactly, and that's actually Skipia. That's a question I get often

from people who are new to the Bible. They say that they ask about Genesis three. You know, when God said let there be light, and there was light, And what exactly is the light if there's no sun yet? Is that representative to the light of God? Is that representative to him just creating a light too for him to you know, use his you know, to see his creation as he makes it. What is that to you? Genesis one, verse three? Well, uh, you know, I

don't like when we're talking about the Bible. I try and inject as little personal opinion there as possible. So yeah, I think the Bible is actually quite clear that, you know, Jesus is the light of the world, right, and so you know, second Peter one nineteen says, you know, onto a light that shineth in a dark place until the day dawn and

the day star arises in your heart, you know. And you we see some of this imagery too, revelation where uh, you know, in the new Heaven and the New Earth, in the New Jerusalem, Jesus Christ is lighting up the entire world and that he is there's no more son at that point, right, And it's I mean, the entire light of the world is lit up by Jesus Christ, you know. And so it's it's really

quite amazing. And there's a there's a lot of a lot a lot of references to it, you know, Luke Matthew John John Chapter one, first one right in the beginning was the Word, and the word was God. The word was with God, and the word was God. Excuse me, uh, And so you know, we see very specifically in a lot of places that he is the Word, the Word made flesh, and he is the light of the world. You know. I mean, he is the embodiment of every good thing, right, he is wisdom, he is truth,

he is knowledge. I mean, that's just his word. It's manifestly clear in that regard. That's uh, really well said. And you know, we'll get getting back to the verses. You mentioned one of the other big verses that I point people to, and I think but on our last podcast had mentioned it as well, Joshua ten I think twelve and thirteen that kind of talked about the sun and the moon standing still and if we were indeed on a heliocentric system, everybody would just float it out into space.

Right. Yeah, there's there's a lot of verses right at the very least, you cannot say we're in a heliocentric model, you know. I think it's very clear once you look at them, all the totality that it is a self contained, you know, a flat earth, and so that I mean, that's not the only instance too in the Bible where the sun moves backwards here, so that also happens with Samuel I believe, right he had the you know, the sun moves backwards twelve hours. That's one of the

miracles he performs. And so that's one of the big ones right where it's like, okay, well, how is this happening under the heliocentric model. You know, we would have to be hurtling backwards at a you know, extremely and I mean, you know, I guess you can just say, oh, well, God, God can do whatever he wants, which is a total cop out. Number one. He can't, you know, he can't do whatever he wants. He can't do evil things. So it is

the other big one too, the other big one too. That's just you know, I don't know how you kind of get around this if you believe the Bible to be the literal, you know, the inspired, the preserved word of God. I don't know how you can look at Genesis chapter two, verse one says, thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them now the hosts. The host of them is talking about the stars, all the celestial bodies. So one of the titles of

God is the word of hosts. And that you know, the angels are referred to as the hosts. And you know, this was one of the first one of the first biblical cosmology or the first biblical cosmology article I did on My substack was what is a star? Right? And so you look throughout the Bible. The stars are not super hot balls of plasma. Okay, stars are angels. And so if the heavens and the Earth are finished here and all the hosts of them are finished, then how are we in

a constantly expanding universe? Right? And I mean the the heliocentric proponents would tell you that, you know, I mean the Big Bang, Right, We're constantly exploding. There's new stars, there's new this, there's new that that is by definition not finished. Okay, that is a constantly expanding creation. So I don't know how you can reconcile. Oh, yes, there's new there's new things being created all the time. But also the heavens and

the Earth were finished. That's a great one. That that is tremendous, you know, from from the funny but sad files. I saw a mame yesterday. He said, I used the Bible to show a pastor the scriptures stating the Earth is flat. So he pulled out a science book and told

me that I was wrong. Yep, I think that's not just a that's not just something that happens in our day and age, you know, This is pretty interesting too, as I was kind of you know, picking through the uh, the historical roots of how people interpreted Genesis and how people interpret you know, Christians specifically interpreted Genesis, and so, you know, Augustine, while he has a lot of you know, he has a lot of knowledge about the word, but there are some areas where he's in serious error,

and I think this is one of them. So he did not believe this to be a literal uh, you know, Genesis to be a literal thing. It's a the days were literal, but the happenings inside of them were allegorical. So you already kind of see right where this doesn't really make

sense. It's just you know, kind of picking and choosing what you think is acceptable, right, because I mean he even says this that when Christians were heard talking about this stuff, and you know, the Greeks and all their philosophy people in the gentile world, they would laugh at them, right, they would. You know, it was entirely it's not about what God's

words said, right. He was like embarrassed of the world hating him, you know, And so I think it's I think the other thing too, is even though I do think he is a great man of God, and he is one of the you know, one of the luminary figures in Christian thought. That doesn't mean we're still just men, right, And that goes you know, for for all of us talking about these issues. You know, there's our flesh corrupts our interpretations. Are the circumstances that we're in,

you know, corrupt our interpretations. And yeah, our minds are renewed, but you know, the flesh still hangs on in hell until you're until you give up the ghosts there. And so he started out, you know, his life in a sex cult, you know, and a Dionysian sex cult, and so you know, thank God he repented of those those wicked ways. But you got to think that perhaps some of these, some of these

ideas and some of these allegorical interpretations that he brought to biblical interpretation. I mean you got to think it was affected by that, right, And I mean the Greeks were the ones who brought this allegorical interpretation two Christians, right, because when you literally read some of their founding myths and their mythologies, Yeah, their gods are like raping people and having sex with each other and their children. Uh, it's there's all sorts of incests and I mean really

just disgusting, disgusting behavior. And so yeah, it all has to be a metaphor. If that's if you if you really think that Jews, you know, created the universe here, which is what you know these Greek philosophers did, then if you know, if Zeus is going out there raping everybody, that's you know, just an allegory. You know that's not literal,

right, and it's no coincidence. You know, you're speaking of other Greek mythology that all the NASA missions were named after Apollo and Artemis and these type of things. Oh yeah, a ton of occult symbolism with the moon landings, with NASA in general, you know, the origins of it as a

space agency. And that's not again, not anything new with scientific thought quote unquote, right, this is I think that's one of the really interesting things about you know, kind of going down this flat Earth rabbit hole too, is you realize we think we've gotten rid of religion. We think we're you know, so much smarter than the any chance we have it all figured out, dude, these scientists will all go out there, I mean, a

lot of them will admit to you. Einstein will admit to you, Stephen Hawking will admit to you that fundamentally this comes down to a belief and that some of this data could be interpreted in different manners. And so the fact that they cannot accept that Earth is in a central position, that this was obviously implying that it was placed here, right, that it was created for us. That thought is an athema to them, right, and they would

rather create all these convoluted insane you know. Yeah, we're hurtling through space at this speed, and you know, and this is moving around, you know, I mean the Sun is moving around a hundreds of thousands of miles. We're moving around at tens of thousands of miles. Of moons moving around at thousands of miles. It's and yeah, nothing just perfectly works out. We're all in balance and we don't smash into each other. It is funny.

And we were talking a little bit offline before we hit the record button. How still did this day? Although I will say that I do believe, and I can see it from my own eyes, that heliocentrism isn't quite

as divisive as it once was. In the truth community. However, when I had my radio shows, that was kind of the unwritten rules, kind of one of the rabbit holes you don't go down because it was so divisive, and it's just interesting that, you know, the mantra in the truth community is questioned everything yet you know, except for everything that falls under the umbrella of heliocentrism, and how you just kind of wrapped up your previous statement

where everything's just hurtling and spinning and it's just silly. Yeah, it's really like a chaotic ballet here, right, and there's you know, it's and a lot of this data, right, I mean, these assumptions that all of these models are built upon. They admit that they basically create things to

fit their models, because otherwise their models are totally invalidate. Right. So, uh, you know, before Einstein, Newtonian physics was about to be thrown out because it totally breaks apart at the you know, the molecular level, and likewise for the celestial bodies it totally also breaks apart, right, and so it's just like, oh, you know, it's only this one area that it it fits conveniently, you know, And so the formulas are

always changing, and the math is always changing, and when you really get down to it, they'll admit a lot of these things you can't get to. I mean, perfect perfection. We're never going to find that here, right, We're never gonna find that in this realm without Jesus Christ. And so when you reject the fundamental logic of the universe, you you are naturally going to devolve into all sorts of Really, I mean, this is essentially

it is neopaganism. It is a sun worship, it's a worship of the creation, and so many of these you know scientific you know, these luminary figures, Copernicus, Galileo, I mean, read some of their writings. I have, you know, my second Biblical cosmology article Scientism verse science. I go through some of the writings of these men, and it's these aren't

scientific books. I mean they read like you know, religious treaties, you know, talking about the sun being enthroned in its temple and everything moves around it. But these aren't. They have a fundamental religious belief and so they see the evidence and they interpret that evidence in light of those religious beliefs, And I mean you could argue that that's what we're doing as well. But I mean you can't. What you can't say is that we're not you know,

one of us is rational here. The Heliocentrists are the rational ones, and the flat earths or the geocentrists or the irrational. Uh, you know there are both belief systems required here, right, So you either have to believe that through sheer luck and explosions and all this other really you know, fantastical, the odds are just impossible to calculate that life forms and all these

amazingly intricate bodily functions that just all happened through random trial and error. Or you can just believe that God gave us his word and he told us. I mean, he told us everything we need to know in that word. Indeed, and I've said before, if let's just say you found some guy

on a desert island. He was born and raised there, he didn't know anything from anything, and you showed him that the two models, one of heliocentrism and one of the flatterth for someone who like just completely new to everything, who didn't understand science whatsoever, which one do you think is going to make more sense to him? I mean, I think the fact that you know, most of the ancients thought it was a geocentric or a flat plane. Is is evidence of it? Right? You know it was not without

the Greek philosopher. Is that we start, you know to see these uh, some of these theories pop up and stuff. So it's which is really not They're not the ones that started it, you know, truly. Uh, this is the worship of the sun, the worship of you know, Venus Lucifer. This is this is the oldest fight in all a mankind, right, and so it is, it's the original fight. It's the longest war. I mean, that's that's just something that every Christian you just have

to accept. Right, we were all born into a war. And so if you don't realize that you are just right for the plucking, you're right for the plucking. If you think, you know, the devices of the enemy and the lies that he spreads have stopped. Right. Oh, yes, he was spreading all this evil pagan religion in the old days. But he just stopped, you know, he just stopped. That's absolutely not the

case, absolutely not. Yeah, And you look, you want to talk about the wars, you want to talk about from Martin Luther to King James that hundred years span. That was quite quite a word. And that's really when it it kind of transferred from the Greeks, and then the Jesuits took it in the early fifteen hundreds and ran with that with Copernicus. And there's a lot of writings that say that Martin Luther actually at the table, you

know, said heliocentrism was basically a tool in the devil's toolbox. Yeah, that was one of the really interesting things too. Right, It's like, not very long ago was this still accepted widely accepted within Christendom, and even you know, even well until the eighteenth century and nineteenth century. Now you see some of the yeah, the nineteenth century and particularly see a lot of

this literature trying you know, start popping up. And again, you know, they have their their theory of evolution, they have their uh, you know, their Einstein right, a theory of relativity. Every time that there seems to be this upsurge of finally putting down this knowledge, right, this demonic deception, they have some new, some new fancy theory to explain why

actually all the stuff that the Bible says is wrong. It's interesting you mentioned that I had a listener from Jamaica asked me about King James, and of course King James I think four years before he took charge and edited the Bible or translated. Excuse me, he did write a book about demonology, but

he was anti demonology and he actually championed witch burning. Yeah, yeah, I mean there is a bit of a misnomer about you know, that he funded the translation of it, right, He had no mean, he wasn't a biblical scholar, you know, so he wasn't out there translating it right. It was a you know, a team of people here really and I think you know, that's one of the big areas too that I think is very important and one of the biggest reasons why we've had so much confusion about

what does you know? What did God actually say? Right? I mean, this is the first, this is the first temptation. You know, what did God say? We know better? We have our own you know, man made wisdom that you know, the knowledge of good and evil, that we can decide what's what's right and what's wrong. And so this is you know, there's a lot of I don't know, a lot of this internet, you know, atheism, and there's a great deal of it and

the truth or community. It's just really built upon a lot of ahistorical stuff. They're just kind of picking and choosing the information that they want to accept. There is a you know, this idea, right that the Bible was created by Constantine. That's not true. The Texas receptis is what the King James version was translated from, right, And this is founded upon the oldest running biblical manuscript that we have. So it's a you know, mid first

century U, no later than two hundred BC. This is compiled, and so we have very early on. All these texts are compiled the sixty six Books of the Holy Bible, not that there are not other texts written from that time period that are you know, good to read. I think the

Deutero Canon, you know, called sometimes the Apocrypha. I do think those books are good for us to read, knowing that they're not on the same level as you know, holy scripture, just like you know you would read a Bible study or you know, you read some modern guys, you know, I mean, right, like my own writing a different version of it. You know, we're just trying to trying to piece out here and trying

to understand what the word actually says, you know. And so it is very early on this book has been because God, you know, he makes this promise in the Bible that his word will always be preserved. I think this is a really big thing, and it's one of these things where you can't you can't say, oh, well, we believe in the word of God in its original text. That's not what he has said about his own

word. He said that he would always have that word preserved. And so when you look at the formation of you know, the White Left Bible eventually turning into King James version of the Texas receptis the Syriac Codex. These are this is the long This is that pure thread of God's word that he has preserved through the ages for us, you know, and so as we have

moved forward in time. I mean a lot of these translations, I can't really even call them the Bible. You know, when you're denying that hest and miracles, which is just a historical fact, when you're denying that he came out of the tomb, which again is you may not like that fact, but there are plenty of eyewitnesses, hundreds of eyewitnesses in fact, that would testify to that fact, and then most of them died because of that

fact. And so I just it's it's one of those areas, you know, when you started you start reading some of this stuff and you start really picking through the actual history of the church, you know, not, I mean a lot of this stuff is just like straight up fabricated stuff, man. You know, like this this uh a lot of these myths around the pagan gods having being born on December twenty five or being born of a virgin,

you know, like this gets thrown around with Mythra a lot. Right, he was born of a virgin, he was born in December twenty fifth, Mythra was born from a rock, right, So I guess you could call that a virgin. Not though, but uh right, this is there's just no there's really no substance some of these very spurious claims. And it

seems to be kind of a modern phenomenon. Really. Most of this literature is within the last century that's pushing some of these ideas, and so it's there is just there's so many lies, there's so many obfuscations, there's so many deceptions, you know, and it's just I really can't blame people for for not knowing you know, where to turn in all this. Yeah, and I know you just mentioned deceit and the controllers, so I guess that that's one of the things that I have on my list. So we'll transition

to that now. And the very first episode I did, I guess now it's been ten months ago or so, was why the lie? And again, I think that so many people don't really understand, like you said then, and that's something I've adopted, calling it the Granddaddy of all deceptions, and it truly is. There's so many. You know, there's the giant rabbit hole of flat Earth or slash Elio centrism, whatever you want to you

know, Hilly centrism being the deceit hiding flat Earth. But there's truly dozens, if not hundreds of sub rabbit holes that that fall into flat Earth. I mean, you have NASA, you know, it brings control and power, it hides God. It really is the ultimate rabbit hole. And the it really speaks to it the level of propaganda and and deceit that they use. Like I always talk about it. If you're in the office around the water cooler, you can mention the JFK assassination and things of that nature.

And nobody's going to bat an eye right that that's oh cool conspiracy theories. But if you mentioned flat earth, you get the eye roll and people will walk away, they'll scatter, like turning on a light in the cockroaches scatter, and that what that goes to show to me is really the level of

effort they put into the propaganda to get people to believe that. Like, so, here's the thing to me, I've always said that Alex Jones is controlled opposition and part of his, part of you know, playing the role is when normy here's the term conspiracy theorist, they close their eyes, they think of Alex Jones with the tinfile, excuse me, the tinfoil hat. When they hear flat earth, there's they they think of somebody who just has

no critical thinking skills. They're low i Q and they just watch a lot of YouTube channels. But what that speaks to is the amount of effort and time that they put into this. And for folks who have never read up on Edward Burney's he was like the grandfather of propaganda, and he got people to smoke, he got people to spray, Carson and Jen Nix on healthy

things in their yard like dandelions. Just the king of propaganda. And by the way that that family lineage runs to Netflix today, the propaganda is real. And I guess my question is to you, is I think people don't really appreciate how much time and effort goes into like all the things I use the term controllers, right, and they're the people who bow to the altar

of Satan and they get worldly powers and riches. But we know how the story ends for them, indeed, But sadly, even people who are and again listen, folks, you don't have to be a flat earth to be saved. However, this is another one of Satan's tools to deceive people, and it does hide God. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's uh yeah, it's not a salvation issue at all. You know, you gotta believing in Jesus Christ, actually believing in him right, receiving him, taking him

into your heart, and allowing him to change your life. That is, you know, that's the only road to salvation, right, is through the sun. And so everything, really, everything that the enemy does is built around tearing this fact down. You know, who's out here trying to tear down Buddha. You know, no one's trying to tear down Buddha, right, I mean now people will trying to tear down Mohammed, you know,

but still a lot of people big fans of them. It's uh, there only seems to be one prophet, There only seems to be one religion that no matter where you go, it is met with hostility. Right, and again Christ promises this. He promised that if you know the world hated me, imagine how they will you know, what they will do to you.

I mean we are promised these uh, we are promised these things. Right if if you're not, if you're not suffering slings and arrows, if you're not, yeah, if the world has not turned, it's ire onto you. Right, if you're not getting out there and spreading the message, I think there might be I think there might be a problem, right, I think there might be a little bit of a problem, because anyone in the arena, we are promised all of his children, we cannot be children of

the world and children of Christ, right, we cannot. You know, the suns of darkness and the suns of light they cannot mix together. And so this is you know, you talk about the controllers and just the level, the level of planning and just absolute control here it is. It is again one of these fundamental It's a spiritual thing at the end of the day, like real all things are. It is not that people don't know a lot of this knowledge, right, Like they'll know about JFK and we'll know

even more and more people are known about nine to eleven. And you know, at the time of the moon landing, even thirty percent of America didn't think we went. And it is there's been a lot of people that have the knowledge, right, but it's like putting the pieces together and going that next step. Well, that just forces me to acknowledge that there is a very, very malevolent and evil force that has bent upon the destruction of mankind,

and that naturally begs the question what is the opposing force? What is the good force? And so for a lot of people, the idea that there is this otherworldly, malevolent entity that has worked thousands of years to destroy Christ as church, it is it's a lot to wrap your mind around, you know, and even for Christian even for Christians who will claim that they believe, you know, even I think people that really do believe Jesus. You know, it's that next step mentally of like, oh wow, yes,

this is this is Lucifer's realm. He has control of this, you know everything. Right. You thought all those you know, you're Christian founding fathers quote unquote, you thought they are a bunch of good people. Hope, not quite. I've exposed two of the most revered quote you know,

presidents in American history. I've exposed Lincoln and Reagan as absolute falls. So if I know people, if you haven't heard this episode, but I'm here to tell you that Abraham Lincoln was the most tyrannical president in the history of this country. He makes Obama look like a girl scout, you know, you know, threatening and actually ordering the arrest of Supreme Court justices, illegally making states, throwing upwards just twenty thousand of his own Union citizens into jail,

closing down news papers. I mean, it was wow, it was some next level stuff. But again, these people think because thanks to our good friends, the Rockefellers, who were funded by the Rothchilds, they've taken over the education system, and the way our education is set up today is you know, they control the books, they control the history, and it must be true. Indeed, indeed it's uh, yeah, it might be a little bit biased as h you know, Native Dixie residence here, but

it is truly no. Put everything in all the propaganda. It wasn't about slavery, you know, but put all that aside. You cannot force people to be part of your compact at the barrel of a gun. Right, That is not self governance. That is not that is not There is no consent of the government if when you withdraw your consent they come to your farm and they burn it down and they slaughter your family and all of your livestock. I mean Sherman's march through Georgia. I went to high school in Georgia.

So this is actually one of the areas where they they'll actually teach you some stuff, you know, in history. And I mean this was this was a legitimate war, Crock Honestly, if the war had ended in a different manner, these Sherman would have been in jail, he would have been hanging, okay. And you know, just so happened to be a freemason naturally, yep. And so this is, yeah, this is one of these wars where there's been so many lives and so much, I mean,

just straight up just I mean, mythology built around it. You know. So there was a huge immigration push by the North during the Civil War, and so between all of the foreign i mean foreign mercenaries, because that's what they were, right, they went, they sent recruits to Europe and they promised military age, males, American citizenship, and gold upfront if they came. So they got a gold signing bonus. And then they came to America to you know, kill us. So between them and the child soldiers,

that's like a third of the Union army right there. That's right, This is not an insignificant amount. And I mean most of their most of their ability to out manufacture the South, and you know, the numbers advantage that they had over the South. This was this was not the case in the early years of the war. You know, it was only after really really massive waves of immigration, some of the first largest waves of immigration into America

that you you know, that it finally starts turning in their favor. And I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of Freemasons within that war as well. Right, I'm I'm personally of the opinion that a lot of these wars are orchestrated on both sides. There are people placed into positions of power, and I mean this is uncanny really how there are high level Freemasons at

the helm of American governments or I mean really governments in the world. Right, if you look at all these various different wars, the War of eighteen twelve covered that in my Anatomy of a Revolution series, And I mean that the War of eighteen twelve, every single leader on this war, you know, between the French, the British, the Americans, every single one was a member of the Freemason That's right. I mean, I guess you can call that a coincidence. Right. So it's like this is one of those

things where they have again, all they have is name calling. All they have is obfuscation, because when you pour through the actual historical evidence and the physical evidence their own words, you know, they'll admit to all this stuff. I mean, most of my sources are Freemasons themselves. They'll they'll freely

and very happily admit a lot of this stuff. Now they'll claim that, you know, me putting all these puzzle pieces together, this is just you know, favorite imaginations of conspiracy theorists, right, and I guess right, or I guess you can believe like other Freemasons like Edward Waite. Uh, you know, high level magicians who admit that they are worshiping a Lucifer.

They certainly are. And uh, you know, just read Morals and Dogma, the thirty three chapters and that it's uh and your newest by the way, uh, your your newest dispatch from reality in your sub stack that is actually just released today as we're recording Crafting Cartel Part one talks about mafia and the freemasonry. Do you want to chat a little bit about that and what

it's about. Yeah, yeah, man, that's been a very that's been a very interesting, uh kind of rabbit bolving going down the past couple of weeks. You know, I mean, the the historic ties between the American government and criminal you know, organized crime, the mafia. This is pretty well established within the twentieth century. You know, stuff like Operation Underworld and Operation Gladiol within Italy afterwards without you know, the mafia without without the Sicilian

Mafia effectively acting as an American intelligence agency during World War Two. A lot of these invasions are not successful. It is. It's pretty staggering just the you know, just within the last one hundred years, how much how much of handing glove enterprise, these two entities have been, you know. And so I think it's really at the most fundamental level, secret societies are organized

criminal outfits, and organized criminal outfits are secret societies. I mean, there's almost a distinction without a difference when you're starting to get into this stuff, if you're talking about just different manifestations of essentially the same beast here, and it is they all they have blood ups, they have initiations, they have secret pass codes. I mean, really, these organizations, there's no difference

between their criminal activities, their political activities, their religious activities. This all

is working towards the same goal, you know. And so the eighteenth century, and excuse me, the nineteenth century in particular is the century of revolutions, and so there is you know, from seventeen seventy six to nineteen seventeen there are so many monarchies, so much world governments collapsed, overturned, and that is the century where we have the coalescing of you know, international finance and the central bankers, you know, a kind of this this mishmash between

you know, the mystery religion represented by Freemasonry, the governments of the world, these criminal organizations. I like to refer to them as the regime in my writings, and it's this is the century where the regime really metastasizes, when they really take control here. And it's just time after time after time after time, the secret societies pop up in countries. They start preaching, you know, about liberty and equality and democracy. You know, does that

sound familiar to maybe some stuff you've heard lately. Yeah, And so they topple the government, they overthrow them, most of them Christian governments. And so in the aftermath of this chaos, the central bankers move in, you know, after the French Revolution. A couple of years later you get the creation of the French you know, the Central Bank of France. The Japanese

with the Meiji Revolution, which in Japanese means enlightened rule. I mean, this is a this is a ma Masonic revolution in Japan, which I write about in the Atomic Edition, Part three. It is really all of these world revolutions, this movement that you see during the nineteenth century in particular, it's just this is beyond coincidence. Right, This is beyond coincidence, and it's there is no way that in all these different countries for I mean we're

talking about one hundreds of years here. Every single time they got the same script, and they got the same goals, and we got the same outcomes. And we see these people still working together today. And here's a question for you before I expand a little bit more on something, is do you think, because there are many secret societies Skull and Bones, Freemasons, the Jesuits, do you think there's a pact between them or do you think there's

a struggle for power within those societies themselves. I you know, it really depends upon the era. Now, I would say they pretty much have it sewn up. And they pretty much have it sewn up there is because I mean, this is the thing about psychopaths really, which is what these people are. As long as they're all eating, yeah, you'll have your blood fights and your fuse and stuff, right, but a lot of these problems they learned a long time ago that they're not going to solve any of these

problems by constantly killing each other. So they just had a lot of intermarrying and that solved most of their problems. So, I mean, these are just very inbred people, to be frank, which is why so many of these really aberrant psychological traits continue to show up within these bloodlines. You know, maybe you didn't know this, but Anthony Fauci on his mother's side, his great great grandfather, he was the head of chemical warfare in Switzerland.

He was. I mean, this is one of the first countries in the world that had like a governmental department for biological warfare. The Abyss family, Abys and their family crest is a serpent eating a child. Well and the serpent. Dude, I can't make this up. Okay, I know this sounds insane. You can go look it up. The Abys family, the Abyss family. Yeah, which again write another reference to uh to shield here, you know, the pit h Jesus calls it, you know, abyss

hades. A lot of these words are used kind of interchangeability within the New Testament. They're all referring to this same you know, the same place and the King James version you know that calls them all hell and stuff, which is accurate. It is hell, you know, but again it's you lose. I guess something in the h the translation a bit that's interesting, but from the files of interesting. But after everything we've come across, I'm certainly

not shocked. And two things I'd like to kind of bounce back at you. One thing is I did an episode maybe six months ago talking about how Switzerland. If you ask again, if if you stood in front of Walmart and that's one hundred people, but they thought of Switzerland, They'll tell you,

Oh, they have great chocolate and beautiful mountains. Right. I've done so much research into Switzerland and I truly believe and there's actually, if you look hard enough, that there's a few very interesting articles that argue that is really where the evil is really ruled upon today, especially in the city of Bassel, where cern the World Economic Forum, the International Bank of Settlements, and you look at that building, the biss BIS, the Bank of International

Settlements, it kind of looks like a tip of the hat to the Tower of Babel and the Rothschild's that's their home. There's you know, on and on and on. Is that anything that you've looked into? Oh, yeah, absolutely, I'm if there is a head of the snake anywhere, Switzerland is one of these places, you know, there's I know, there's like a lot of talk. Right, we got the city of London, we got Tel Aviv, we got Washington, DC. Man, you you have

to have Basil, Switzerland and that little constellation there of evil. Yeah, and that is where the World Zionist Organization kicked off activities in eighteen ninety seven, and that was really, you know, started the ball to getting the World Bank and to getting these federal reserves. Because again, if you don't have the Federal Reserve, do we even have a world war? Are we

able to fund these type of events? I think there's a reason. You know, you had the Titanic. They got the people who opposed the banks out of the way. Then they brought the Federal Reserve right before Christmas and I thirteen when everybody was heading home for Christmas, and then you had two world wars. Now, the other thing I wanted to touch on because since we're talking about secret societies, I covered something a few months ago that nobody

I don't think has ever talked about before. So when Ronald Reagan was elected in November of nineteen eighty going into nineteen eighty one, and folks will get back in a flat earthIn a second. Sometimes these conversations take natural turns, and I think that's people like that stuff. But if you remember, we're got out about the October surprise and how Reagan and Bush made a deal with the Iranians to hang on to the hostages. Yeah, and like literally ninety

minutes after Reagan was sworn in, the Iranians released the hostages. And there's old video clips you can find on YouTube in January and February of nineteen eighty one where this story is coming out. So here's the thing. Ronald Reagan was supposedly shot by John Hinckley Jr. He shot Brady in the head and this guy did it to get attention to Jodie Foster. Well, it's interesting because the date this happened was March thirtieth. So there's your three three Jodie

Foster. Anytime you see somebody's bio and you say, yelle, you need to check out because flag. Yeah, what folks don't know. Now, everybody knows Skull and Bones Bush, right, they know that link. But the female version is called the Manuscript Society, and Jodie Foster was part of that secret society. So all involved, including the Hinckley's, which were very

close friends with the Bush family. So all these there's nothing organics. So I even argue that Ronald Reagan, the actor, he never even got shot. I agree with you. There there's a lot of weird stuff without Reagan shooting. You know, he claims he's not He doesn't even realize as he's shot until you know, like thirty minutes later or whatever, which is just I mean ridiculous. You know, like, dude, I mean you've been in combat. You know when you're shot, who was shot? And the

agony and it still haunts me to this day. People know when they're shot, Oh yeah, okay, you know it's uh yeah, the idea that this minutes and minutes would go by and you have no idea. Oh hey you no, I'm bleeding. I don't know what that is. Yeah, And the movies where you see the guy gets shot, he's like, Johnny, tell my wife, I love her. You know you're in agony in

pain man. Indeed, Yeah, that's uh. These the presidential assassinations are very I have a bit of an interesting take on a lot of them, similar to your Reagan take. You know, Dave mcgallan's got this incredible piece. He kind of opened my mind up to this possibility, and I've been

just looking for more information about this subject. And it's the level of really parallels with some any of these big presidential assassinations are staggering, you know, but you're really pour into some of the actual physical evidence and the eyewitness testimonies and stuff. Right man, these stories are just they don't make sense. They don't make sense. And there's see you know, there's occultists and Secret

Society members all throughout them right playing their little parts. And it is you know, like take a look at the GfK assassination, the autopsy photos. I mean that's not JFK. No, that's just not him. You know, there is there's a very interesting I mean, this is kind of like the last piece of the puzzle. Actually, when I saw this, I

was like, oh, okay, this makes sense now. So these people derive all of these occult traditions from the Tower of Babble, from Babylon, right, this is not just the the physical location, but I mean, you know, the spiritual there is a spiritual aspect and the spirit of mystery Babylon these people are trying to invoke and you know, that they ultimately worship.

And so in ancient Babylon there was a ritual called the killing of the King ritual, and this shows up in a lot of world cultures where the king would be sent into hiding for an indeterminate amount of time and they would pick a body double that looked like the king and he would live as the king for a certain amount of time, and then at a you know, after whatever time period, depending on the king, you know, some of them are more paranoid than others, you know, so they do the ritual

lot more. And so at the end of this ritual time period, they would sacrifice the king. And this ritual was thought to bring you good luck and fortune and favor to the king. Right, this is where this saying, right, the king is dead, long lived the king. That was

what they invoked in this ritual here. And so it's the idea that so many of these presidential assassinations, I mean, yeah, there's all sorts of deep politics going on behind them and why these happening, you know, but I think some of the bigger name ones, when you really look at some of the evidence, it just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. And so the stories don't match. There's occultis abound. This Reagan you know

incidents is another perfect example. And I think this is like the last presidential attempted presidential assassination we've had. You know, he broke I forget the name of the curse, like that presidential assassination curse, you know, quote unquote, Like is it really curse when you're doing it every twenty years? You know? Yeah, somebody mentioned that on the previous podcast. I think it's the curse the Typica new Yeah, yeah, so this is I encourage.

Yeah, maybe dropped that link in the show notes, you know that Dave McGowan article. It's a longer one, but yeah, Dave McGowan, man, he was, Uh, I'm a big fan of his work. Yeah, and he has some of this stuff and some of the puzzle pieces that I write about. You know, I didn't put him together, you know, Dave McGowan put him together, you know. And so he's another one of these He's another one of these luminary figures. Uh, you know you

talk about, you know, the conspiracy movements in particular. I mean, he's really one of the one of the sharp minds, you know, him and Bill Cooper were just so ahead of their time. And yeah, Bill Cooper another one, uh who was not a fan of Alex Jones, No, not at all. And Dave mcgallan man, both of those guys were taking away too soon. Interesting They took Bill on Guy Fawkes Day November fifth, two thousand. Yeah, not even not even two months after nine to

eleven, and he called them out June twenty eight. That played that. You know, we're coming up on the nine to eleven series, and that's always the the the the first thing I do to kick off nine to eleven weeks. That's how I found you guys. Actually was those old old Bill Cooper nine to eleven, right, God bless Bill Cooper, Amen, and Dave McGowan man. You know, there's a lot of people who say he was taken out, but to be completely fair, I never saw him do

an interview. He wasn't he wasn't puffing on a long dart mhmm. Yeah he had. I I'm personally of the opinion that he was assassinated as well. The regime has weaponized poison, They've weaponized cancer, yea for a very long time here, I mean the CIA. This is admitted and congressional testimony the Church Committee, uh yeah, which you know, just which again just

goes to show you that these committees are absolutely useless. You know, they're they're limited hangout operations and no one's ever charged for anything or held accountable for anything. Right, because the CIA admitted in congressional testimony that they had a heart attack guns that would shoot people. Right. It was so the bullets were made out of like little shards of ice and had like shrimping it, right, or some kind of poison and could countrive from shrimp or something really

weird. Yeah, yeah, some kind of shelled fish there, and so they the dartwood, you know, dissipate, right, it wouldn't show up on an autopsy. I mean, they've admitted they've had this kind of stuff for fifty years, so imagine what they have now. Exactly. Yeah. His his book, Weird Scenes, was just tremendous, and that led me down into the Jim Morrison rabbit hole. And turns out his dad was in

charge of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. And man, it's just you realize and you start to realize it even you know that side of the world entertainment, nothing is even organic over there. And then you see Michael Jackson was taken out when he spoke out about a certain group of folks. It's just yeah, he really opened my eyes still out too, Dave McGowan. Just if you see his book, you see an article, stop what you're doing and read it. Yeah, And I think that's one of the things a

lot of people, I guess just don't appreciate. You know, They've been told these things are crazy, and they don't go and look into it. You know. Uh, They's like they take people at face value. You know, there's an an admiral quality in that in a certain you know sense. Right, they've kind of weaponized that against us, and so I I mean there's just so explicit about how how to manipulate people. I mean,

at like a scientific level. This knowledge has been not just you know, known about, but put into practice specifically for the purpose of mind control, for changing opinions. You know. The TV is an interesting one, man. There is there's some patents by this interesting doctor called the Doctor Andrik is loose and so he has a bunch of patents on mind control, and one of them is for the television and buy intervals of light on these screens.

There could be any screen. They can manipulate brain waves. I mean this is I know this sounds kind of woo woo, right, but there is a measurable science, you know, scientific change. You can measure this stuff. Right. When people are exposed to certain frequencies, they become depressed.

When they're exposed to other frequencies, they become more animated and agitated. And so a lot of these devices that we just put in our children's hands, and we put in our bedrooms and we sleep with next to our heads, that we watch for hours and hours a day, we a lot of people are just not appreciating the threat that some of this stuff faces, you know. And the man that invented the television, he didn't have one in his home, He would not allow one in his home, and he never exposed

his children to the television. So I think that really says all that needs to be said about the kind of the danger of this technology. Indeed, and can I show again what was the name of that doctor who patented the light patterns that could Andrew kiss A N D R I c US loose L or two ohs s. Yeah, all right, I have my homework for tonight. That's one I don't think I've come across. Yeah, yeah, I touched on some of this stuff in my Black Ops in Black Magic series.

Uh, you know the reality of mind control and some of this technology, because yeah, the media has been weaponized against us, and you know, mass media, Hollywood, entertainment, the government, the military, they recognize the really powerful tools that these things were, you know. And so you look at the history too, of and you look at the history of some of these first big directors, and there's just accultism abounds. Occultism abounds, and so you're asking, hey, when did it all go bad?

Uh, you know, it all went bad right around the garden. So yeah, if it's not of Christ, it is of something else. And as you know, at another time in my life, I would have thought that's you know, oh that's so black and white, or that's you know, there's not enough nuance. I mean, this is just these are the facts of the matter. You know, you don't have to like that, and you know there's a certain fleshly part of me that certainly doesn't like that.

But you know, part of this part of removing yourself from the world and removing yourself from this, uh, this b system. You know, there's Babylonian system, which you know, Christ and as followers we have always been called to do. It's not like this, this threat was never not there. Uh, this threat has always been there, and she's always been trying to attack and subvert the Church. And it's you know, it's no different today. They've just they've gotten a lot craftier with it. You know.

Now they just call it a prosperity gospel or whatever. Yeah, And going back to the very beginning of the podcast, you mentioned you know that the war we're in, and the war has been going on since the Garden of Eden, and and one of the current weapons that the controllers use. I wanted to ask you about your thoughts on NASA. Do you think it is simply a diversion tool or do you think this is a continuation of the Tower of Babbel. Do you think they're trying to do more nefarious things?

For instance, we know about Operation Fishbowl and Operation Dominic, they were trying to break through the firmament. We know that, you know, God is all controlling, He's you know, we read the Book of Revelations. When it's no man knows when the end is going to come. Do you think NASA. So what I'm trying to get to here is do you think NASA is just a tool of deception or do you think it is a major tool of the war of them trying to get through maybe just say as an example,

to get through the firmament and to overthrow God. It's both, right, So it's absolutely a tool of deception, and I mean the amount of money they get, which you know they're not spending. Oh, we can only get this nut from this company for seven thousand dollars, right right, there's this is a perfect tool to just kind of have your black box projects. And it's it's also a useful tool, right because a lot of this technology we've had for a very long time, Nikola Tesla. I mean your

cell phone basically invented thanks to technology from Nicola Tesla. We have had wireless transmission of electricity for over a century. Now, you know, direct energy weapons. I know it's like a big topic with this whole Hawaii situation.

I mean we've had a Tesla's death ray is almost one hundred years old now, right, So again, we've had this technology for a very long time, and so NASA is a very useful tool to kind of spread some of this technology out right, because they claimed, oh, we invented this for the space race, and we invented that for the space race exactly. I couldn't agree more. And it's interesting you mentioned Tesla because that's one of the

things I had. We got some synchronicity going on today. It was well noted that he said that today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation and eventually build a structure to which has no relation to reality. It's you know, we talk about how the genuine people in this world are really pillaged and held down if you're not part of the

club. He died alone, bankrupt, you know, in a hotel room, and much of his work has either been a stolen or be hidden. So my question to you is what are your thoughts on Tesla in that quote and what technology do you think that is out there that is hidden? I mean, obviously you think there's free energy, but you can't charge for free energy, and that is part of the matrix, right to keep us busy working into paying bills so we can't sit down and have these type of conversations.

Oh yeah, it is man, Tesla. Tesla is an interesting one. Tesla is an interesting one. I I'm of the belief personally that Tesla

discovered the firmament with these stationary waves. So the Colorado experiment that he did, which he calls his greatest discovery, the station stationary wave phenomenon that could only have happened between two Gaussian surfaces, right, two surfaces, So there has to be a there has to be some kind of you know, structure field something right that is reflecting this wave back, and I mean in perfect

synchronicity, you know, and so this thing is perfectly aligned. And this was the experiment where he eventually started to you know, expand upon some of this wireless transmission technology, which they are doing in New Zealand right now and I'm sure other places. I'm sure they they're very aware of all this technology,

right, so they're absolutely utilizing it against us. And you know, I think that's another one of these things, another one of these really big lies that that stems from uh you know, heliocentrism, as this whole fossil fuel uh you know, wow, A couple of weeks ago, I did an article called the fossil fuel Farce. I mean it absolutely is, it

absolutely is. You know, this is a renewable resource. And if you believe in the Bible, right, if you believe this is God's inspired word, the idea that he would create a realm for us as that would run out of stuff, right, that is imperfect. I mean humans have been using patrollium for thousands of years, right, This is not a new and like as fuel, you know, this is not a new phenomenon. It

is absolutely a pernicious lie. Again. Two, and set this idea within us, right, that we are in this universe that is chaotically put together. We are on this I mean we we are on a timeline, right, But we're on God's timeline. You know, we're not on the whole The sun's gonna burn out or the oil is gonna run out or you know this, and that none of these men know the day or the hour. And I'm glad you mentioned that. By the way, you want to talk

about the deceit and the cover up. You mentioned the Colorado experiment because I've looked at it before. If you if you google the Colorado experiment, you get a story about a guy named Arthur Jones who was able to lift so much stuff because of I forget, maybe because of the altitude or whatever. It just happened to take place down the road from where Tesla actually did it.

They call it the Tesla Experimental Station. But they put him in debt, and I think, if I remember correctly, they made him sell it, and then it was whoever bought it tore it down and back in nineteen oh four or so, like this huge wide on the patents on all this stuff. I'm sorry said that again. I spoke over you. Oh,

I was saying. It was JP Morgan. He was the he was like Tesla's benefactory owned the patents on all of this stuff, right, because I mean, they realized how valuable this man's intellect was, so they very quickly kept him on that leash. It's it's crazy because again you can't you can't

build for that stuff. And yeah, they just tore it down, and what a wonder I'm looking at it now for something that is one hundred and twenty years old, it's incredible and it kind of if you take a look at it, it very much looks at what their five G towers look like today or three G, four G whatever, it looks like a wireless tower.

Oh yeah, it's Uh. He is a very very fascinating character, very fascinating character, not that you know, he's definitely got some weird ideas, but that is that is just some of the stuff that we take for granted today. If Tesla was around, you know, they would ridicule him. You know, they would call him a fool. And yet all of the whole reason that they're able to like, you know, crap talk Tesla on their cell phone is because of Teslau. Going back to flat Earth,

we like to ask our guests your your silver bullets to flat Earth? Or some people I like, uh, I think it might have been Robert who mentioned, what is your elevator? Like, you're in the elevator with somebody for thirty seconds, what do your go to? Little bullets when you're having a conversation with one one and you get them, you want to get them

curious enough to to look into flat Earth. Yeah, so there are several of these, you know, black Swan religious killer, uh, you know killer facts that heliocentrism cannot account for, uh, beyond just really ridiculous explanations like you're not seeing what you're actually seeing type stuff, which is you know something that's uh what's its surface or light refraction? Right, that's why you

can see too far as it's all an illusion. Uh. This is my big one lately, which that doctrine of the Flat Earth book was exceptional. I highly recommend it. I tore through that man in a couple of days, and yeah, that Genesis two one he points that out and in that book when I saw that, I was like, oh man, this is like the number one. Particularly if this is something you want to like take to your pastor and talk about, which is a conversation ninety to have.

This is what I'm gonna bring to him, right is Genesis two one? Here? Like pastor, I know what all the science says is that you know, we're constantly expanding and there's new stars being formed all the time. But you know this is what this is what God's word says is that the heavens and the earth this is all finished. So how can we reconcile these two things? And you know the other big one too for me that personally, this is what really put me over the edge where I was like Okay,

this is real. Is when I I heard one of these channels talk about the moonlight being cold, and I was like what. And you know, they bring up the verses in Genesis, right, that's say the moon creates her own light and so or it's own light. I think in Genesis

it's her own light in a different verse. And so I was like what, And so I want to look that up, right, and sure enough, the moonlight is several degrees colder than the shadows, which you know, again, the scientific explanation for it is that the surface that you have above you is trapping in the heat and it's you know, radiating back towards you. But this is you can go, you can go to structures that are much much higher than you, right, that are not going to affect the

ambient temperature in that way. I mean we're not talking about stuff ten, I mean twenty feet higher than you. Right. There's no way that objects that far away are interacting with your ambient heat waves. And so this effect is still measurable from very large distances. And so it's their explanation. I mean, the explanations for some of this stuff are just not they're just not that good. When you when you look into it, right, and when you're like, hey, what about this, they're like, oh, well,

you know, actually what you're seeing is not what you're seeing. Okay, Now we're not talking about this isn't science, Okay, this is like your belief. You know, you believe that what's being seen here is not what you're saying. Well you can believe that, I guess. But yeah, and two things come to mind when you talk about that again. The official scientific narrative is the moonlight is actually sunlight that shines on the moon and

bounces off. If that's the case, why don't I see sunlight hitting the moon? How is everything else that answer? How is everything else around it completely dark? But this little ray of light streams from the sun and hits it directly and bounces off. Go out tonight, guys, when it's dark. Go get yourself a dusty old rock. I'm sure you can find one somewhere, and when it's dark, shine a light on it. And if any of you guys can show me a reflection, please take a picture of

it reflecting onto something else and send me that picture. All right, I can expect no pictures in minbox in the next month. It's not it's just not feasible. It's it's silly. And these are the things that we take for granted because of all the things we've we've talked about over the last ninety

minutes. Is the doctrination, and that the programming. And that guy's wearing a white lab coat and he's got, you know, the official title of doctor in front of his name, so he must know what's best for me. So I better roll up my sleeve and get that jab right, yeah, howard, professor or whatever. Right, I mean even a heck, even past or a preacher sometimes you know, just as guilty of it. And so yeah, this is uh, I mean the stars is like a

really big one too. You know, this is I when I was in Afghanistan, I mean there's no light pollution in Afghanistan, and uh, you know I was flying on forty thousand feet man, and you are you can just see space and you can see not space, you can see the stars just in such a way. It's it's incredible. It's it's still one of those moments. You know, you'll never forget the amount of stars that are actually in the sky. It is without counting, Okay, it is without

counting. You cannot. I can't put it into words the amount of stars that there are in the sky. Okay, it's incredible. And so that's just one of these things when you see it in footage of space, right, and like, oh, it's just the aperture speed, dude, I

don't care what aperture speed you got that camera at. There are so many stars in the sky you would be seeing them even if it's just some right and there's none, because that'd be one of the dead giveaways because we would be able to match up the star patterns from Earth to these space pictures and we would be able to disprove it, right, right, So they can't

allow something like that. You know. That's just a really a very easy debunk that could happen if they started putting stars, you know in some of this stuff. I mean, when this originally happened, I don't think they have the technology to even do you know, some of that, you know, camera wise and stuff. But yeah, man, it is amazing.

It was for Irwin, California, zero light pollution out there, the nights were incredible, and then of course I remember waking up in or in Nazria set up are caught outside the humby and laying down and looking up at the stars. It's incredible when you're legitimately at a place where there's no light pollution around you for for dozens of miles that the sights of the skies is just

incredible. And many people don't get to experience that. They live in the cities or even the suburbs where there it is light pollution, even a little bit can really ruin the sky. But to be in the middle of nowhere and look up the sky is an incredible experience that I'll never forget to. Yeah, you know, it really brings the Scripture to life, right Psalm nine one where the heavens show his handywork, and I mean choking up a little bit, but it's true, you know, they really do. Yeah.

You do you think because that was sounds nineteen one, right, the Lord show is his handywork? Yeah? Yeah, it wasn't that on Warner von Bronze Headstone, Right, Yes it was. Do you think that was him? Was it mockery or was it him tipping his hat saying hey, guys, do you think that he was getting older? Who was dying? And that was his way of telling the people. Yeah, I don't think they actually have the ability to break through the firmament. I mean they're gonna

try, That's what they've been trying to do. The tower babble right. God's not going to allow him to do it, of course, and so yeah, they'll be scattered, they'll be destroying before they can. Ever, they can never do that. And it's I do think that is they always have to tell us, right to disclose their little their little code. And I mean, you know, psychopaths have a moral code just as much as

we do. It would not make sense to you because it's insane, right, but they have they have their rules around how they commit bloodshed and violence, right, And so I think it was Ted Bundy who he would try the doors of his victims and if the door was locked, then he wouldn't go in. But if the door was open, it was like, hey, it's my invitation to go in. No, I mean, look, a vampire almost these people are. These people view their their rituals and their

you know, their mass killings in the same manner. So they give us plenty of signs, plenty of signs which I've touched upon and very extensively in my Coincidence own series, and it's all the signs are there, all the clues are there. I mean, we're talking about stuff that's set up decades and decades in advance, right for specific ritual purposes. We're beyond the realm

of coincidence at that point. So we can either accept the fact that there is a very evil, very evil, ancient force that wishes to harm us and is able to orchestrate these kinds of things, or you can continue having your money devalued and being the military pawn of this very evil and ancient regime. You got that right, And that leads me into my final question for you is how do we win this war? And it is a war,

and there's some people who say there's nothing we can do. The end is near, But as we discussed earlier, the Bible says no man knows. So what do you think people should be doing. Obviously we know they should be preparing them their souls and they should be mentally tough, But as far as being a citizen of this country, you know, what can people do

to fight the evil? Yeah? This is a this is something that's really been just pressing on me and really weighing on my heart lately, and I mean I say lately right at the past several years, while all this chaos has been unfolding across the world. And I I plan on getting into you know, into this in depth and some later articles. But the same forces that have taken over our governments have inserted these very aberrant doctrines into our church.

And you know, pre tribulation dispensationalism is one of them. So Cyrus Scofield was funded by wealthy New York bankers, the Fabians Society's printing Press, which was a Luciferian socialist secret society. Their printing press printed the Schofield Reference Bible for free and they gave it out to all the seminaries in America.

And this doctrine has infected the church, has infected the church, this idea that there's nothing we can do, that we just have to take it lying down, that actually all this terrible stuff that's unfolding is you know, part of the plan. Now, some of this, some of this is part of the plan, right, Some of this is part of the plan. Not to discount I don't believe, you know, I'm not a you know,

dominionist or a kingdom now type person. The only way we're gonna Number one, we're not going to defeat this, right, the final enemy, death is defeated by Jesus Christ, and then I just it and Hell are tossed into the lake of fire. Yeah, and so that's when it ends, right, that's when it really ends. And until that point we are

to fight, and we are a soldier on you know. And so this truly pernicious, truly pernicious doctrine has has paralyzed the church, paralyzed the church helpless in the face of all this evil and chaos going on, you know, actually taken as a good sign, right, And so not only is it I think very very damaging from that perspective, I mean just some of the very troubling implications that the doctrine begs, such as if if we are

talking about a physical kingdom being built upon earth, doesn't that make the Pharisees right when they brought Jesus to Pilot and saying he was trying to be a king of an earthly kingdom, and Christ explicitly states that my kingdom is not of this world. I don't know how you can then go on to say that the kingdom that we're talking about is a physical kingdom. It's yeah, I just dropped a little bit of a bomb here at the end. I'm

sure I'm gonna get some of emails about it. I'm happy to talk about it, you know, because it's it's just been very troubling, very troubling reading some of this stuff and going through you know, this was part of my my my journey of really pouring through the Word and understanding God's word. And you know, some of the prophecies in the Bible are so specific in their timing, it's really staggering, right, And I think Daniel in is seventy weeks or one of them. You know, this lays out from the

decree, and the Bible lays out this timeline very explicitly. You know, from the decree of Cyrus, We're gonna have seventy weeks until the temple is rebuilt, and then the missile will be cut off in the midst of that

final week. I mean the timing of this to the year in perfection, right, And so for this reason, Daniel has been one of the most one of the most maligned books in terms of the actual the date of its authorship right, But at the very at the very bare minimum, we have around four hundred BC as its timing, which is still hundreds of years before

all of these events would unfold. I mean, I'm telling you that the level specificity here to the year, to the year that when Jesus would start his ministry, when he when he would be crucified, right, it is. It's really incredible. It's really incredible, And there's a lot of prophecies

throughout the Old Testament. I mean, this is one of the best proofs honestly that I find it very hard when you look at the actual historical evidence right in the real I mean even the you know, the physical documents themselves. There's no way that a human could know this kind of thing. And there's no way that humans, through their own will over you know, hundreds of years, could create and construct a book in this level of specificity and

perfection. And so I think that's another really big area where this, you know, this ideology takes away from the glory and the beauty of God's word. We don't have to wait for some of these prophecies to be fulfilled in some undeterminate future time. You know, he he came and He put an end to the sacrifices in the midst of that week through his sacrifice on the cross for us, you know, and so I think, you know, just to end us off here. That's really that's really what it's all about.

And that's why, you know, maybe this is a little Bible heavy, This is a little uh, you know, religious heavy for some of the listeners who are not of the faith. But I would encourage you to truly set some of your preconceived notions aside about who you think God is and what you think his word says, and to actually read it and see what it says for yourself. Men. Couldn't I couldn't close any better than that. And you've been, as always a tremendous guest, and I don't have

anything left on my list to ask you. Was there anything else that you wanted to chat about before I give you the final word and certainly give you the time to talk about your your your great subspect to share with the folks sub stock. Excuse me, oh, George, I just want to thank you for another great conversation here. I really do enjoy these, and it is I just want to thank you and really really just let my appreciation be known, you know, because you you have started to create a or you

know, you started to help create a community here. Ultimately, this is all the you know, the Lord's doing. Yeah, and in it's perfect timing. I do believe that, and so it is our job is just our job is not to know all this stuff, right. Our job is to believe and then to do. And so I think there's been too much of a focus upon the knowing, right, and there's been not nearly enough

of an emphasis upon the doing and the believing. So I the only way we're going to fix some of these problems in our country is by allowing God back into our lives and into our hearts. And so that is really the major thread running through all of my writing. They're on substacks, so yeah, my my publication is Dispatches from Reality and the address there is df Reality

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