Episode 85: Flat Earth Conversation with Tyler

The following presentation isn't all Margaret Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of The Flat earth Files. I'm your host, as always, George Hobbs, and I hope this podcast finds you well. As we continue to navigate through bizarro world. We have a great guest standing by. His name's Tyler. He'll be joining us in

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So that is all the housekeeping for today. We're going to go ahead and bring on today's very special guest and he's got a great story to tell. You've reached out a little over a month ago and we're glad to have him on. His name is Tyler, and Tyler thank you so much for joining us today. Sir George, thank you so much for having me on. You have been literally my therapist therapy session just about every day for about two months here in my relatively fast awakening in a short amount of time.

I think that's the one thing we all have in common is you know, we're kind of in this I don't like to call it a genre, but just for the you know, just for the sake of calling it something, this niche genre where we all in the truth community, where it's so hard to find like minded people. You know, it'd be hard to say to put a number on how many people are awake or cognizant of the level of deceit that's going on. But I know from boots on the ground and talking

to people around me, it's far and few beteen between. So it's not just therapeutic for you guys, it's very therapeutic for me. And I guess I'm kind of spooled to be able to sit down and have a conversation with folks a couple of times a week. Yeah, you know, this is

just being open and honest. I many times the past few weeks I've been driving to a therapy appointment and felt great just listening to the like minded people on my drive there, listening to you talk, and then feeling about that, and then going into therapy and the therapy and not helping as much as listening to your podcast. So you know, I don't think I can express enough to you how much I appreciate it. Well. I appreciate the kind

words. And I've had people mentioned that who go to therapy I went when I was in the military, that there's people that say, and I guess there's something to it when you sit down and you have a conversation that it's great to have someone to listen, but there's something to be said about someone who's listening and understands what you're saying. Yes, completely, all right, Well, before we kick things off, and again thank you for joining us

today. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Sure, my name is Tyler, as George already mentioned, I'm forty two years old. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, the northern suburbs of Chicago, a very wealthy town with a lot of very intelligent people who are very you know, a lot of great people my town. But I think there are a lot of people who are into material things. You know. It's a very physical world in the world I grew up in, and it's

just kind of what I always thought was reality, you know. I always thought that, you know, we lived in the physical I was, you know, had a good education, a good elementary school, middle school, high school education with you know, all the best teachers, and really just thought I was in you know, kind of in the note because I was around a lot of intelligent, smart and wealthy people, so I you know,

what my world was was kind of that. So I very different place than where I'm at now, and I think, well, I'll get into that a little bit more. But I've been a teacher for twenty years, i am married, with two dogs, no kids, and the past few months have been like not thing I've ever experienced in my life, very very how do I how do I say it? A lot of unique circumstance.

There's a lot of unique experiences that will be hard to explain, but also are things that I really didn't even realize could be reality until I'm sitting here today like I am. And I guess the first question I have to ask you is from your upbringing to a young age, did you pretty much buy everything unadulterated, like, yes, we went to the moon, Yes we live on a ball, and those type of things that were taught you know

what I did, but I didn't. It wasn't it wasn't anything I spent a lot of time thinking about, you know, There was never a question for me that the Earth wasn't round. That was nothing that you know. I learned that as a young kid, and you know, I didn't really think too much of it. I didn't think there could never be seat. My wife always says, how, you know, we went to similar middle

schools and that the same area and up the same school. But she always mentions how when she learned about the earth being round, that people used to think it was flat and we were smarter than that now and if there are people that still think that, then you know they have mental health issues. So like she remembers being taught that from a young age, and you know, for her to remember that, I think explains a lot of well, I've had a really hard time kind of getting her to see that I'm not

a crazy person. Yeah, that is very impressionable, and that is part of I think the master plan that when the Rockefellers kind of started taking over everything from medicine, which, by the way, the Chicago I forget what it's called, maybe the Chicago Institute for Medicine, which is really where they started the American Medical Association, and you had to get their certification in order

to become a licensed doctor. So a lot of the homeopathic and people who maybe did practices that weren't so much on vaccines, et cetera, you wouldn't get licensed. So the Rockefellers took over medicine, and then they also took over education, so they wanted people indoctrinated. They didn't want critical thinkers, And in order to get the ball story to work, they had to use many levels of propaganda, whether it be television, the movies, and education.

And that's why I call it the Granddaddy of conspiracies, because it is such a stigma to it. If you mention it again, I've said this a thousand times. If you mentioned the you know, the moon landing at work around the water cooler, everybody will have a conversation with you. But at the minute you mentioned flat Earth, it's like turning on a light with

the cockroaches and they scatter, right. Oh. I mean I could probably count one hundred times the past few months that I have had that exact reaction. And it's, I guess, getting back to your initial question with kind of believing things as they were told as if I was growing up, I was always kind of a I never liked group think. I was never someone

that kind of wanted to follow the crowd, especially after high school. I think as a teacher, one of my things I always tell to students and to athletes i've coached, one of the things if I could go back in time and tell my younger self, you know, give give my younger self one piece of advice, it would be careless about what other people think, you know, and be you, be true to you, do what you think is right, and care less about what people think. And that has

been a big thing within me for dozens of years. And I literally think that part of that was meant for this, you know, part of me not caring what people think for the past twenty years was just like planting that seed for me. So when I out to flat or if I could be like, I, you know what, this is true, this is right.

I need to do something to help people see this lie in the sea, And I don't really care what people think about me because I know what's what's right exactly, and that is that type of thought process should be brought more into the education process. Right, if you don't answer correctly something in

history exactly how it's written in the history books, you're considered wrong. But you know, in my other podcast, I've gone almost against the grain on any you know, big historical event going over the last one hundred and seventy years at least, whether it be Linking or the Gulf of Tonkin, on and on and on, and most people it's funny the history teachers will be

the one to tell you that the victors right the story. And just for an example, that there's so many lies and misgivings about World War Two that that is right in front of people, and they're afraid to look into it because it does go back and this ties directly into flat earth because it's in the history book. It's in you know, the book, so it must be true exactly exactly, And I I lost my train of thought there. Sorry, not something I was going with in that nowhere that narrative and totally

forgot no worries. But as far as the education process goes, it is something, uh that we need more schools, more private schools that encourage critical thinking. Instead of telling somebody an event, we encourage our daughter to research an event and give us two, you know, aspects from it, not just you know, this is what this particular history book tells you. I want you to memorize it, and then I'm going to give you a test

to see how much you remember. That doesn't That doesn't That's what I was going to say. I'm sorry, Yeah, I just I remembered and it was I think I even emailed you about this. But we do something in school in our school, the ice who I teach him, called understanding by design, And basically what it is is you take the final answer, the final product you want the students to get to, and you let them kind of navigate how to get to that answer. But as long as they get

to that answer, you know they can do it however they want. But it's not get to that answer and question that answer. It's the Earth is round? How can we get to the answer the Earth is round? Or you know anything but that. The design is get to the answer they want you to know, not get to a critical thinking answer of it. No, exactly. And that goes to what Nicholas Tesla always said is how science was being replaced by math. Right, ninety three million miles is our end

number? Well, how can we make that work? And then they kind of reverse plan from there without questioning. That's just I could talk at nauseam about that. But yeah, you're right, there's a big problem with our

critical thinking skills within the education system. Yeah, and it's funny you mentioned the sun because I think I ventured into the posting on Instagram with my beliefs, and I think the last thing I posted was just about the sun and how for forty two years I looked at the sun that I can see is right there. It's just right there, and without question because I was told

I believed it was ninety three million miles away for forty two years. And now you know, with all the things I've learned and the knowledge I've gained, I look at it and it's like, it's silly to think that I believe that for so many years. Yeah, and it is. I understand. It's really hard to get people's attention. And I went through it too when I first discovered flatter. That was a big fine for me. And you're excited, you try to share it, and then the doors slam at

every avenue. I'll tell you. On my personal Facebook, I can post a picture of me and my chicken and it'll get twenty lakes. But if I post I think this past July nineteenth, I posted a picture of the fake moon landing and said, you know, it's the fifty fourth anniversary of Stanley Kubrick's documentary The Earth Landing, and nobody like it's just like it.

It's just interesting how people will like silly little things. But when you try to toss a little bit of your mind out there that may go against the grain, people are quick to just not just completely ignore it. Yeah, flat Earth especially, it's like just a big gigantic magnet that repels people away.

Man, you're not kidding. Actually, sorry, go ahead. My wife was supposed to travel this week and there was a chance I was gonna go with her, and she was going to stay with friends, and they recently have come across my Instagram post and they texted her and, you know, with concerns, is he going to be sharing this with our young kids. We don't want that, We don't want any sort of flat Earth conversation

in our homes, and really we're probably gonna not end up going. And it's just like the quick to just repel that information or even that topic is has been quite the experience for me. I've never experienced anything like it where it can turn ugly or divisive so quick and not even you know, with me being totally calm and not trying to push, but just the conversation,

it's like it's sets some sort of defense mechanism off in people. And I get it because it's you know, I think it's going against what you have believed. It's going against your senses. You know. It's like you literally have to readapt what your senses are as a kid, because little kids think the earth is flat, little kids think the sun is right there. Little kids don't understand how you know water could be sticking to the ball and how

we're spinning thousand miles per hour. You literally have to kind of redo what your senses are. You know. That really speaks to the Again, we

were just talking about this this afterno and with another listener. Was that the amount of effort, and it really goes to show how deep the propaganda goes, because think about this, Tyler. If you put something on Instagram, like just even if you copy it and paste or pulled a photo from from Google of a UFO, and if you post something on Instagram said hey, you know I think I saw or if you just referred to the fact that maybe you saw a UFO, you wouldn't get nearly the pushback or like any

other fringe conspiracy theory, like it doesn't bother anybody. But man, when you get to flat earth, just I'm still amazed to this day and blown away, not just with you know what we call Norman's right, just people who go about they're still on the blue pill, if you will. But it's still very divisive. Not as much. I've noticed some improvements over the last three years, but in a community where we're supposed to question everything,

it still has a lot of stigma to it. Absolutely, And I made the mistake of I am kind of a I'm an extreme person that I either get in completely into something or really not at all, and you know, friends and family of Joe to call me mister extreme and things like that.

So when I kind of had a the awakening that I did, you know, I don't think I was being mean or rude, but I wanted to scream from the roof rooftops and share with everyone I cared about because it's like when you realize that everyone is being lied to about this globe Earth, and the awareness you can have of all the other lives. When once you realize that this lie is so big that they have to be lying about so much else, I just want, like literally wanted to just tell everyone I love

and care about. And since I've been an honest, trustworthy, upfront person my whole life, I was like, well, they've always listened to me and believe me and trust me about everything else, this won't be any different. And it was like I couldn't have been further or that could have been further from the truth. You know. One of my favorite movies is They Live. And the conversation we are having right now is I kind of picture.

Have you seen the movie They Live? Oh? Yeah, I'm talking about I'm like, please put on the dang glasses, just put them on, and they're like no, and they're fighting with everything they have just they won't even take a look. Yeah, and the few, you know,

the few people have gone to take a look. I feel like once they if there's just a tiny thing that people see and they're like it just gives them the thought for one second that might that I might be right, or that this could be true, or there could be even a little bit of truth to it. That's when it turns from a conversation to like a defense mechanism clicks on and I don't want to talk about this anymore, just a

stupid you don't know what you're talking about. When leading up to that, it was just a you know, normal conversation or a debate, not a argument all of a sudden. Well, I think part part of it maybe is. And I think it's the older you get, the more difficult it is to get people to look because it's bad enough to realize that twenty thirty, even forty years of your life was based on a lie. But the older you get, the more I think difficult it is to cope with the

level of lie. And people are afraid. You know, you know, it really does shake you to your core. But for me, and I'm sure to a certain extent, it was you. You know, after you deal with all the emotions and everything else, there there's a certain level of freedom, right yeah. And you know I've heard you say you didn't sleep for two weeks, and I I didn't not sleep, but I didn't know which way was up and which way was down for at least a few days.

And I I'm not someone that has ever been manic in my and I had a few days where I felt manic, you know, like I couldn't control the thoughts racing through my head. I wanted it, to just talk about it NonStop. I wanted to share it with everyone, and I was definitely not myself, and I think unfortunately I pushed some people away because of how much I wanted to share this with the people around me that I care

about. And I'm working on that. I'm trying to get better. I'm trying to you know, if people ask me not to share, I don't share anymore, at least for most of them. I'm having a hard time doing that with my brothers and my mom still, just because you know them more than anybody. I want to see this. But it definitely went about it the wrong way at first. I didn't do the old George leave some breadcrumbs for him. Yeah, but that's a hard thing to do when you're

passionate about something, whether it's baseball. You know, when you're hanging out with some guys and you're all sharing a passion, you just want to talk about it, and you want to talk about it. And that's I think one of the most difficult things of being a truther. Moreover, in a family or a circle of friends who don't see the same things you do.

I'm very like my wife, She's one hundred percent on board with everything, but you know, with extended family, it's it's stilly Uncle George, right, but to a certain extent, so I almost I don't mean to be over dramatic, but I kind of feel like a fraud because when I'm hanging out with people, you know, I feel like I have to talk about things that may be of a mild interest, but I don't get a chance

to talk about what I'm passionate about. And I think, again, going back to having this blessing of this podcast, where I can actually sit down and talk to people, it's very therapeutic. I could not agree with you more. I'm someone that has never liked small talk, and there's a big part of me now that feels like everything is small talk except this. And I'm sure that will dissipate at you know, the further away I get from

my moment of kind of seeing everything, it's still very fresh. But I think, exactly like you said, when I'm in a social setting, or if I were to go to school and I'm not talking about It's almost like I'm being a fraud. Like you said, I'm not being my true, authentic self because it's really all I want to talk about at the moment.

Yeah, I'll tell you. And the thing that bothers me the most, Tyler is that how people can't see after what we just went through the last three years, how quickly, like I think everybody got a glimpse and they understood the level of evil they're dealing with, but everybody was so quick to go back inside their shell and just go back to living. And I guess that bothers me a lot that people are still unwilling to see after everything that

we went through. When they told you you were not essential, when they told you if you don't get a job, you lose your job. I mean, how what else do you have to go through you for you not be willing to pursue the truth? Yeah, And that frustrates me a lot, because I truly feel like, specific to flat Earth, if people would give it two or three hours and just sit and you know, I think one of the things that makes it difficult is there is such good censorship of

it. And I didn't realize that at first, and you know, the first twenty things on Google are going to come up and make flat earthers look dumb. Same with YouTube, and so it is difficult. But if you were you know, I think most people that I am trying to share this information with, I am willing and able to provide them with some good information,

good links, but no one even wants to take the time. And I just can't understand that mindset because I feel like, if you know, friends, loved ones, family members were coming up to me and could see how much I cared about how much I'm sorry, how much, if I could see how much they cared about it, I would give the time of day and I would be like, I'm going to sit down and listen.

I might not agree, i might not see it, but I'm going to give you every chance to talk to me and show me what you're talking about. And I'm just not even experiencing that. And again, part of that could be because at first I was pushing it on them instead of you know, coming up too many rational calm mindset and saying, hey, I think that Earth might be flat. You know, yeah, but you can't fault somebody for And again in hindsight. You know, hindsight is twenty twenty.

But at the same time, and I felt the same thing. You know me, You've known me for X amount of years. I'm not an a rational guy. So if I bring something up that, sure, maybe a fringe topic. But if I've taken the time, uh, you know, and you know the common response I got. I don't need to bounce around. But so you sat down and watched two YouTube videos, and now that

you believe in flat earth. Then it was kind of slapping the face to me because I literally I was reading books, I was researching, I was doing you know, obviously we could see too far, one thing after another and then the whole again, the stairway of ascension to finally understanding, well, gee, did they really lie about everything except insert ninety three million miles

sixty six thousand spinning and everything else that goes into it. And it just kind of it completed that the you know, you see the dot connecting on the boards of the in the movies of the crazy conspiracy theorists, Well, for me, that was the last dot connected, and I realized that everything is connected. Yeah, that was it was mine too. It was the

last one I got to and exactly what you said is. I've had so many people, family members specifically, say well, you saw that on TikTok, so you believe it, And I'm like, no, of course I didn't just see it on TikTok, and I believe it. TikTok, will you know, give me an idea and then I will go research it as much as I can and further it and drive three hours to see the Chicago skyline across Lake Michigan and do some very extensive research to then believe that it's

not just oh TikTok said it, it's the truth. And I think, you know, I've heard you guys talked about it on other episodes, But TikTok perplexes me because it does not seem to be censored like a lot of other things, especially around flat Earth. And you know, I've seen something like it was maybe one of the leading search things on TikTok with over three point two billion views, and from my perspective, it's very clear that's a big part of the reason they are trying to ban it in the US.

But what I can't rep my head around is that, you know, if my belief and I'm pretty sure yours is. You know, Russia is the same as China, as the same as US. They're not these different governments. They're all controlled by the same elite Satanic people. And what I can't figure out is how they haven't been able to control TikTok yet. Yeah. That is interesting, isn't it. Yeah, And it truly seems like it's

not censored. Like you know, I searched flat Earth on Instagram or YouTube or Google, and it's everything that comes up is, well, the flat earthers think that the Earth is a disk and water falls off of it and you can fall off the edge. And I'm like, no, that's clearly not we think. But then you go to TikTok and there's a lot of you know, really smart, intelligent people posting credible things, and somehow that's not taken down. It just it confuses me. I don't know why.

Yeah, and that's a great point. And I get people telling me all the time, you need to go on TikTok, you need to go on TikTok because it's not and I know the second i'd do that, they'll change their platform. But it is it's interesting. I've interviewed a lot of people on both podcasts who've had success on TikTok. So maybe it is something I should take the time to look into. I will tell you just as we're talking. I'd like to do this. Google and YouTube are the worst.

So I just put in the words flat earth into YouTube hit enter. The very first video is debunking flat Earth and forty five seconds, and then the next one is inside a flat Earth convention where nearly everyone believes the Earth isn't round, and it is mockery after a mockery. This one is three scientists school flat earth ors on the evidence, and of course Neil de grass Tyson

and Bill Nye are are involved, So you're right. And again, whatever I'm looking into it, whether it be JFK Oklahoma City nine to eleven. When when you see the propaganda in the first part of the search engine, you know you're onto something. If you're catching flak, you know you're you're

over your target. And that's what I've been saying on Instagram is you know, I've been making these posts about the moon landing or different things, and I'll get fact checked, and you know, people say, isn't it telling you something? That you're getting fact checked, and I'm like, actually, yes it is, but it's telling me something very different than what you think.

It's time me. It's actually telling me this is what's true. And they didn't want this getting out versus the fact that it's fact check and pulse. And it's just funny how they use fact checks and how people just see that and we'll say, oh, this, it's got to be false. It's fact checks. I made a little video on Instagram. I think it was Instagram, No, it was Rumble and for the Flat Earth Channel,

and it was the guy in Canada what the heck isnt Trudeau? He was at a fire station and he brought up flat earthers and compared anti vaxxers to flat earthers. And I made a little video about it. And one of the comments was a woman from Canada. She said, I never believe flat earth, but your video got fact checks, so it must be true and if Trudeau is talking against it, then it must be true. So I thought that was great. Yeah one percent. Tell us a little bit about

your journey to the truth where it all started. Well, I you know, I for probably thirteen years, I knew nine to eleven wasn't what it was. And I good, so long ago, maybe twenty ten, maybe

twenty eleven, maybe even before that. I just went deep dive in nine to eleven and just saw so many things that didn't make sense with you know, the Pentagon and the missile shaped hole in it with no plane debris and things like that, and actually came across this one video that it was a three parter and it talked about the three different ways that the the towers could have come down, and you know, the first one was that it was

actually the plane caused enough heat to you know, bend and melt and everything and it collapsed on its own. And then the second one was there was explosives in there and it looked like a free fall demolition. And then the

third one, which actually after watching it made the most sense. The way they did it was something about and at the time I had never heard about it, but it was called they said it was a directed energy weapon for a free energy weapon, and this was, you know, thirteen years ago, and I remember at the time, I was like, I don't know what that is, never heard of it, but the way they talked about it and the way they demonstrated. I was like, I actually think that's

what did it? You know? And then I come to find out that there was a woman Judy would I believe her name is. She wrote a whole book on nine to eleven was a directed energy weapon that brought it down and had all these presentations on it, and I truly believe back then that's what it was, and then asked for it many years and I'm looking for that stuff again because I'm trying to show it to other people, and that directed energy stuff was gone, that was nowhere to be found. I looked

for hours for that video. There was no sign of it, and that kind of further confirmed like the you know, the whole check thing is, Wow, maybe that did actually have something to do with the towers coming down. So nine to eleven was the truth to me. You know that it wasn't done the way it was for a long time, but I somehow never got into different things I've been. You know, I'm a pretty busy guy as far as distracting myself, and I don't mean that always necessarily in a

bad way, but I teach. I'm a strength and conditioning teacher. I coach, I've coached track and weightlifting, shot put in discus. When I'm not coaching or teaching, I'm superactive with fitness. I compete in CrossFit. So for listeners that don't know what CrossFit is, it is basically a It can be a sport or an exercise philosophy, but it combines weightlifting, gymnastics, and partio vascular. So there's always something to be getting better at,

you know. So you can be working under strength, you can be working on your running, viking, swimming, you can be working on things like hand stand walks. So in my free time, I was putting forth a lot of effort to getting better at those physical activities. And then you know, I liked hanging out with friends and family. I was obsessed with football and fantasy football and things like that. So I just never really got to a point where I wanted to look into things more or felt like I needed

to. I've never been a political person. I've never you know, I voted one time, and it was for Obama just because I at the time I kind of thought it would be I thought that was a historical race just because of Obama being black, and I wanted to be part of that and support that and so I voted for him without much knowledge of either of the parties. And I've always been the person that has said, you know, I don't really think my life has impacted that much by who wins the president.

Like for forty years, I was like, maybe my taxes go up a little, maybe they don't, but I don't really feel like my life has impacted. So I just didn't pay attention. It wasn't something I was interested in, wasn't something I cared about, and so for many many years I didn't dig into different holes. And then around March, for whatever reason, I really wanted just out of nowhere kind of. I guess part of it was my dog was was getting older and I knew his time was coming

here. And for some reason that prompted me to watch some near death experience videos a lot of people that were experiencing the same thing with the near death experience, and you know, somehow that led me into digging into aliens a little bit, and I was like, well, clearly there are aliens.

We live in this galaxy with you know, billions and billions of stars and billions and billions of planets, and it's endless and black holes and you know, an endless space, there has to be aliens, and you know, you always hear about Area fifty one and things like that, so I wanted to dig in and that. So I don't know, between the alien thing and the near death thing, it just kind of led me into some different videos, into some different what I thought at the time were truths and kind

of made me curious. So got into some different things where I, for example, at one point, I was sure the Moon was hollowed. You know, I knew the I didn't ever really look too deep into the moon landing that I had watched. It's a YouTube channel called the Wi Files, and they've got a whole bunch of things on just all sorts of different conspiracies or you know, things like the Pyramids and circle of things like that. And so I was convinced the moon was was hollow, that it was maybe

a base or a space station and hollow. And then you know, I

was also very convinced that there was a reptilian race on the planet. Super convinced to that because I found all sorts of crazy videos of and you and I have talked about this, but holographic technology that seemed to be failing as I was watching it in slow motion, and so I went down these rabbit holes and really thought I knew some things, and then when I got to flat Earth, I realized there were some there were some truths behind what I

had found, you know, like there was abnormalties to the Moon, but it wasn't that it was hollow. It was that it's not even landable, you know, it's not a giant rock that you can land on. And when I got to flat Earth, it kind of is like the once you get to that lie, all the other lies become clear and you see that the things they were live had lies about lies about you can figure out and

kind of decipher or discern what the actual actual truths are. And we can get into how I actually caught the flatters, but just kind of wanted to give you my my travel or how I got to starting to look into things. Yeah, that's really interesting, and I've never heard of this, the Y Files, but I'm looking at it. They've got a huge audience. I've got two an a half million subscribers. They talk about, like you said, everything from Life after Death, speaking with the Dead. But it's

interesting. It looks like that touch on everything. In one episode they talk about UFOs and then they talk about Stanley Kubeck's Kubrick's greatest film, The moon Landing, So well, that one that is the one that showed me that that that the Y Files is. They're part of the club. You know, they're the they're there to deceive you, because there were things with the Stanley Krubrick Like they go in there and they debunked that that's actually Stanley Kubrick.

They say it's not him, and you know, they got some body double, but it is very clearly him. You know, you can you can go in and you can look and Stanley Kubrick has a very distinctive mole under his left eye, and you can you can compare that to any picture of him ever, and and it is him. And he said NASA ca him to him and NASA asked him to take the moon landings. Not only did they ask him, but they told him that can't get to the moon.

It's not something you can get to because of the firmament. So WI Files, I thought was great. They fooled me for a little while, shame on me. But I got to the point where I know, I would say probably nine percent of what they're doing is just trying to confuse people, and that's interesting. And even without looking at any of their videos, to get to that level of subs, you'd have to be part of that.

And again no offense. I've never met these people, never watched one video, but kind of the thing that I've always come to understand when you get a crowd like that, especially when you look at the things that they're talking about. For them not to get any strikes and to just be able to post things, yeah, they either have to be exactly really really tiptoeing or part of the club one of the other for sure. And the guide

the I don't know which one it is. One of the episodes. The host he does a good job, you know, like he's a good host. He presents the information well unfortunately he's just a liar. But at the end of one of them, he literally looks at the camera and he's talking about you never know, you know, who's on the other side of the team or who's who's giving you the truth. He's like, you know, like you don't even know if I'm giving you the truth, and he kind

of like looks at the camera and like winks. And I'm like, I need to look into this more. And that's when I started to really look into kind of see the deceit behind that channel. Yeah, and that's another reason, like I will never come on here and say, don't listen to this person, even though I think Alex Shones is controlled opposition, I won't tell anybody not to listen to them, because they even they use these people for disclosure as well. That's that's one of the tools they used for these

people. And it's Stanley Kubrick is a real interesting guy. Uh. You know, he filmed Eyes Wide Shut and I have not I want to see that. I have not seen that, but that was kind of the h that, you know, Pizza Gate and and that type of stuff was really the only thing I've kind of gotten into after flat Earth. But sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, you're good. I think Eyes Wide Shut had to do with a party that the Rothschild's had in like nineteen

seventy two, and it was a very long the original cut. It was the revisit of the Surrealist Ball of nineteen seventy two that was hosted by Baroness Marie Helen Rothschild and her husband Guy at the Chateau de Feri and it's another disclosure movie. They brought the Warner Brothers executives to this hotel for a private filming. The movie ended, there was a huge argument between Stanley Kubrick and the Warner Brothers executives. He went to bed and never woke up. He

died on March seventh, nineteen ninety nine. And the interesting thing is his biggest movie was two thousand and one, A Space Odyssey. And if you'd take his date of death, which was March seventh, nineteen ninety nine, and count the days to January first, two thousand and one, it's exactly six hundred and sixty six days. And getting back to the world never imagine that. Yeah, and getting back to the rothschilds that that movie ended up

getting I think twenty eight minutes cut out of it. That he part of the argument was he he had what's called the control, that they have artistic control or whatever. Yeah, right, and he said that you're not cutting it. He ended up dying and they cut like twenty eight minutes out of

that film. Yeah, it's it's crazy, you know, Like I don't you know if I were to talk to anyone in my circle, any of my friends, anyone I teach with, and I were to mention something about, you know, a movie director getting killed because of you know, this type of stuff, they would think I was totally out of my mind. And it it happens all the time. Yeah, they say, just be quiet. Who are you picking for your fantasy football draft? Exactly, That's

what they're mad him. I'm the commissioner of that, and I've decided not to play this year, and people are looking at me like my head's spinning around because for ten years, you know, I've loved the league and I've been super into it, and they just can't wrap their heads around why I'm not into it to the point, you know, they think something's wrong with me, and I'm like, it's just not It's not important to me anymore. And I'm sorry that that doesn't jive with how you know me and how

you feel. But I can't. I can't stay true to myself and I'm not I don't want to just do it to appease people. So it's just funny how people have literally contacted me or my wife and likes everything all right, Tyler's not playing fantasy football this year, like, like, that's the

big thing that's going on in my life. Yeah, it is interesting, and even in reflection, a lot of the things that I do to appease others, you know, I try to draw online between you know, my mom always told me when I was younger that if you spend your entire life trying to make others happy, you're going to end up being miserable. But at the same time, I kind of give and take some because I do understand the importance to you know, my family members, even though it's not

high up on the list with me. So I try to find a happy medium there. But you're right, you kind of go into it half hearted and you're doing something that you don't have your heart in. At the same time, you're like, well, yeah, it's a conundrum that I think many of us in the truth community deal with for sure. For sure. So what was We haven't even really talked about how I got the flat Earth

and it's kind of a crazy story. You go right ahead, Well, kind of, as I mentioned earlier, I've been into the alien stuff and I came across there were two people that I came across that both claimed to be remote viewers. One maybe you've heard of. His name is Ingo Swan. He wrote a book and he supposedly worked with the government, and at the time, you know, I was like, oh, well, this guy was so good at remote viewing that the government even even hired him.

And he was able to predict the rings around Mars. And suppose I guess there are rings around Mars. You know, I didn't know that, but suppose Leonessa's world there are rings that around Mars. And he was able to predict that ten years before they even had the technology to go to Mars. So that was kind of I was like, oh, if you predicted that before they could even go, that's got to be true. So I was believing in these remote viewers a little bit, you know, because the government

had hired them. You know, I know, now total nonsense, but I believed in that remote viewer. And then there was another one on YouTube. Her name was Elizabeth April, and they, you know, one Ingo

Swan talked about the moon a lot. Elizabeth April talked about she had some information about, you know, different beings coming down to the planet, specifically reptilians and things like that, and you know, I you know, at that same time, there was a lot of stuff in the news with the UAPs and the Navy officers literally showing things that did not seem like it could be a CGI so and going into the water and going under the ground, and so in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, this technology has to

exist because I you know, I can tell what's CGI and what's not for the most part, and I'm both starting to really believe that not only are there aliens, but they're here. They might be living under the ground, they might be living in the oceans, things like that. Then I came across doctor Stephen Greer, who he is, you know, someone that's talked for many, many years about how they've reverse engineered UFOs and they're here, and there are aliens and you can not only see them, but you can

communicate with them. So here app where you can go through this meditation and do these things where you can literally kind of call you know, some sort of UAP or UFO into your vision at night and see. So I try it. You know, I'm not buying into it. I'm like, Okay, there's no chance I'm going to sit here and do this medicine or meditation and play this. You know, they had certain frequency tone that they played.

Did it didn't? You know, Like I tried to put my mind and meditation into a good spot where you know, we said, just thing positive and try to do it. Nothing happened. And then maybe a month later, for some reason, I was out at Pe with my students and we were at the tennis courts and I I had kind of just started to see a lot of different things that we're just making me feel like maybe this

planet, maybe this place is a little different than we think. And I started to do basically like a meditation or a you know, now I would look at it as a prayer, but I wasn't talking specifically to God. It was more of a meditation saying if there is something out there in this universe, if there is more to this physical world than I know, like, let please show me. And I was kind of I was like, I'm coming from a place of positivity. I have love in my heart,

i have gratitude in my heart. And I'm walking and literally walking around the task court while my students were playing, and I just see this object in the distance and you know, it's kind of far and but it's coming towards me, and it just keeps coming towards me. And I'm walking around and like, I don't recognize that as any thing in the air of ever seen, and it's getting closer, and I don't have my phone on me,

so I'm I'm wondering what it is. I'm like, I need to get a video of this so I can, you know, maybe zoom in or see what it is. And it just keeps coming towards me, keeps coming towards me, and it looks like an orb and it's shiny, and it's pulsing. You know, it's not just a solid object. It is literally pulsing where it's disappearing and appearing, disappearing and appearing. And I get to my phone and I pull it out. In the second I pull it out,

it doesn't disappear. I have a video of it, but it turns it was coming directly at me the whole time. As soon as I pick up my phone start recording, it changes directions and start going away from me. But it is something I've never seen at that point, and the best thing I can do it is describe it as an orb of light. So that just kind of blew my mind. And a week later, I was

outside and I share. I tried to share this with people, showed videos and even people were very skeptical of other things I had been sharing with. Okay, this is weird. I see this. I don't know what that is, but like, maybe you should share this with, you know, the authorities, or see if there's some sort of like weather balloon testing in the area or something like that. But anyway, a week goes by and I have this app that I always use and I just to kind of check

out the stars. And it's called Starlight. I think you know. You can use it at night and you can find the stars you want. And I'm outside of my front yard and I'm using it and I'm pointing at different stars and I get to this one star that's near O'riyan or near O'riyan's belt, and I'm moving and I've used this app one hundred times and I move it and the star follows me. And it's the star isn't actually following me in the sky. I want to clarify that, but it will follow It's

following my cursor on the screen and it's never done that. So if I moved to the right. The star continues to follow to me the right. If I move up, it follows me up, same thing down. And like I said, I used this app one hundred times, never had anything happened like this. So I get my wife and have her come out. I was like, do you see this? And she's like, yeah,

that's pretty weird. So I screen recorded it just because it was. It was weird to me and I had had that experience the week earlier, was something in the sky, so I just wanted to investigate it more was that did you happen to look it up because somebody else? I think I've gotten one or two emails over the past year about a certain star in that area of Orion. I think it's actually called Beetle Juice, but it's spelled like b et e l g e usc. I pronounce it beetle juice. Maybe

it's matel geese or something like that. But it looks like, no, no, I know that star. It's not that it's not that star. But I'll get to what star it is in a second. It's kind of part of the cool story, alrighty. So anyway, I screen recorded it and I didn't go back to it, but a couple until a few days later and I'm looking at it and I'm you know, it's just looks like a piece of it looks like a star, but it's the phone app,

you know. I'm not it's not actually the star that was moving, but I'm looking at it, and every once in a while it would kind of like pulse and get bigger and then shrink back down and then on the screen recording, and I was like, why is it doing that? And so I increased the size of it, and and it was you could see it was pulsing. And not only was it pulsing, but it looked like it

was rotating. So I increased it more, and it looked like it was something that was just changing images all the time, like the image was going through something like a different image every half a second, different image every half a second. And then the more I looked at it, the more it looked like dog faces. It looked like, you know, like images of dogs. And actually, very specifically, it looked like I have at the time, I had four golden doodles, and it just it literally looked like

golden doodles. And I'm and I'm like, what is this? I don't understand is this like was it pulling pictures somehow from my phone and like putting it in this star? So I I don't know. I asked my wife. I was like, do you see dog faces in this? She was like, yeah, actually I do. She's like, she's like, it kind of looks like and we listed off she listed off the dog names and I was like, yeah, okay, like I'm not crazy, so that you see that. She's like, yeah, for sure, it looks like

talk. So again, I don't think anything of it for another few days, and I'm sitting in my school at like six in the morning on an exercise bike, and for some reason it just crosses my mind. I'm like, I wonder what that star was, and I like never looked it up.

And I went and I looked up the location because I knew it was right by O'Ryan, and I could tell what it was and it was serious, and I looked into Sirius and I was like, the first thing that had said about Sirius or serious however you say it was serious, is known as the dog Star. And I was like what. I was like, this just blew my mind like that I some this thing was following me on

my phone that I've never had happened before. I looked into it a few days later, saw dogs, had no idea it was the dog Star, and then looked further into it, and it's just I was like, what is going on? Was this some sort of like divine intervention that I was supposed to see dogs in this star? So hopefully I'm not losing it yet, because I know this is kind of a no, you're coming hard to believe interesting thing, all right? So from there I start getting into like

flat Earth? Is there a little bit like on the fringe. I hadn't really looked at it too much. But then what I decided to do is look at Sirius through amateurs telescopes and amateurs nikon p. Nine hundreds or p. Nine thousands, and I did the same thing. I did a screen recording, and I looked at it. And you know, anyone who's ever seen what an actual star looks like through a telescope or you know, high magnification, it's not a giant ball of gas billions of miles away. It

looks like it's a light shimmering in water. And every little flicker and shimmer was a dog face, and every single one I saw a dog and I would go frame by frame and it'd be a different dog, a different dog, a different dog, and it was blowing my mind. I was like, okay, I was like, stars are actually angels of dogs. I was like, that's when dogs die, they go up into the stars, and those are you know, all those stars are just angels of dogs.

And I was like, dog is God spelled backwards? And I was sure of it. And then I, you know, so I was one. I was thinking this is crazy too. I hadn't really realized at that point that stars weren't balls of gas. So I was like, what, like, what's going on? Trying to make sense of it, And like I said, at the same time, I was starting to get into some flat

earth stuff, you know. I had looked at Polaris, but it's just the location of it, and things were I was very confused, you know, and I didn't know what to think of all of it, and but I knew stars weren't what they had told us. And I also had looked into Polaris and used that same same star finder app. And after I had heard of like someone saying on Polaris the fact that it never moves. When

I heard I think I heard that from a TikTok video. I used that starfinder app and I sat down in a seat right in my backyard, made sure it was in the exact same spot, took a screenshot where it was, waited a couple of hours, same thing. Polaris didn't move. Next day, it didn't move. I was like, just from that, I was like, I think the Earth might be flat. I was like,

I was like, these are just two weird of things. And then I went on Google and looked up the Polaris why it doesn't move, And of course at the time I didn't know Google was just going to give you something to make you realize that, oh, Polaris just happens to be at the exact center of Earth's roope orbit and so far away that it wouldn't look like it moved. So I kind of like it fooled me and I just kind

of lost scheme with it. But I was still stuck on the dogs in star Step and then did some other investigating on some other things, looking into NASA, looking at all their lives, and then I ended up looking at the James Webb first image from Space and I looked at it. And when I first looked at it, I literally said, I was like, this is a cartoon. This can't be real. This is CGI. It's cartoon.

So I was zooming in on it, and as I zoomed in and I was kind of strolling around it, I just kept seeing little images of dogs all over the place. And you know, like it's not it's not so clear that you just look at it, but if you were, if you go in and you were looking for dogs, you are going to find thirty or forty dog images in that picture, and not just like, oh, that could be a dog, Like you actually see that there is someone

putting purposeful dogs into NASA images. It's in there, CG clouds, it's in there. It's in everything they do. And you know, I think I had emailed you that I had kind of come to the realization that dogs are, for some reason, a sign that they put in all their lives. The submarine that imploded a few weeks back, I found some dogs kind of in the sidewall of that, and they're they're just literally in everything that's connected to some sort of lie that the powers that be are putting out there.

It's almost like they're I think, I told you, it's like their poker tell It's like when Teddy agb is eating oreos and the movie rounders, and you know, you know he's bluffing because of the way he eats his oreos. It's if you can find dog imagery in some sort of picture,

you can maybe clue yourself into some of the lives of the world. So once I found dogs in other places other than the stars, I really kind of opened my eyes to the flat earth, opened my eyes to the to the fact that, as crazy as it sounds, that I think there's a chance that the night sky and a lot of the stars are holographically put up there. And I know that, you know, that goes against a lot of what the Bible says, and I'm a firm believer of flat earth in

the biblical sense. But when I looked further into that, what it what I found was a lot of times the stars are mentioned in the Bible. It's an afterthought, so it will say, you know, and I please I'm not quoting exact, but you know, God made two great lights, the moon and the sun, and the stars, or also the stars.

There's always the stars are included as an afterthought, And there's a big part of me that wonders if that is just kind of our captors, as you will, if they have projected those stars into the sky as part of the deceit of space, because lord knows, they're pushing the aliens in the space very hard. So I don't know, I just said a mouthful. I'm sorry. I'll give you a chance to respond. And like I've told you before, I it's a lot of information and a lot of happenings that have

happened the past few months. So it doesn't all get I don't It doesn't come out all smoothly sometimes No, no, no, it's you articulated everything very well. And I do believe there's a lot of folks going back to you know, talking about nine to eleven who believe that the planes were were holographic, and there's obvious I've always said that, you know, we're light

years The technology we have today has been around for a long time. We went when it comes to retail, when we get our hands on technology, it's it's been around for at least fifty years, oh yeah, And I honestly think maybe even more like three hundred. Yeah, you can go back to the church sharings back in the seventies and see what the technology they had back then, and obviously they had that, you know, forever. But if you say, let's say the stars are holographic, where would the source

be coming from? And in this case, who do you think they are the people who are controlling the holograph It's a good question, you know. I don't know. I have a better answer to one of those questions than to the other. I think I don't know if the moon could be part of projecting the holograms. And I don't know, if you know, maybe there are some real stars up there, maybe God did create some, and maybe there are a whole lot up there projected more than God actually created to

give the illusion of infinite space. But I don't know. The moon. Potentially, if Polaris is always sitting right there at the center, maybe that could be part of the projection. I did see one. I've seen one thing one time ever and I never could find it again on TikTok who someone else who actually had a very similar theory is mine and I saw that his theory of it after I had it, So it was kind of cool to see someone else that I literally thought that was the only person in the world

that that thought this. And but there's I'm trying to remember where they thought the you know, lack of a better word, projector could be coming from.

But I don't know. I don't aim to know that. I just know that if any single person that's listening to this wants to go find any star on YouTube that is zoomed in from a nikon camera or a high powered telescope, one that is not NASA, or one that does not have a million followers, and if you screen record it and you go shot by shot or frame by frame by frame, it is almost impossible, at least after go if you go ten frames, because sometimes they're not clear, but after

ten, you're going to start to see a dog face after dog face. Sometimes there's two dogs, sometimes there's three. It's there, and I know it sounds completely insane, but I've verified it over and over again. I've posted some pictures on my TikTok on that I can I can. I didn't send you that, or you don't have that, but I can send you my screen name for that, George. It it's actually just it's a wake, not woke for anyone that wanted that, And I've posted like four things.

I'm not on there a lot, but I just thought the star thing was too crazy to not share on some platform. I wasn't quite ready to let my crazy out of the bag on Instagram with that one yet, but it's on my TikTok. Yeah. And then your other question is who would be the powers that be? In my opinion that has changed. I definitely was of the mindset that there was either I think I mentioned this earlier, but a reptilian race that we're either from different planets or they have been here

for thousands of years just as a separate species. But once you come to flat Earth, you kind of realize that is that is not truth, and that there are that this place is a spiritual world, and there are good and bad spirits and some extremely demonic forces and beings that are on this planet or this plane, I guess, and they're the ones running the show. And you know, the big Honcho himself, I think Satan has a lot

to do with it. Have you actually ever seen I just was watching Bob Dylan today talking about selling his soul to the I think he called him the Big Chief or something like that, the Big Yeah. He was sitting down with the guy from sixteen minutes. Yeah, yep, ye, actually yeah maybe. I actually think I heard that on this a few a few days ago and decided to look it up myself. So of course you've heard it.

Yeah, And you know, anybody who is anybody I've learned, whether it be in movies, politics, music, to get to the top, if you really want to go to the top, you have to do like Bob Dylan did. And he admitted it on TV. I think that was in the mid two thousands, and he said, yeah, I'd just sell my soul to the Big Chief. And he even said, yeah, he couldn't do it today. He has no idea how he wrote those songs.

Yeah, And I you know, it's funny. I think back to my childhood and you know, my mom not wanting me to have like maybe Motley Crue or Guns and Roses albums and saying they worshiped the devil, and I'm like god like, and you know she was I don't think, you know, she thought they might actually worship the devil, but I don't think she actually thought that was actually going on on a level of selling souls and that the Devil is actually real and that that was going on. And I didn't

have the time either. I just thought she didn't want negative influence in my life. But if you go and look, I mean, it is insane to see if you just go look for it, the amount of devil worship or Satan worship in Hollywood and they say it, you know, like Christian Bale thanking Satan for his role in some movie, or Red Hot Chili Peppers standing up in front of you know, the MTV Awards and saying thank you

Satan. I mean, it's I used to just think it was like to be cool, and one hundred percent note it is because they are actually making deals with these Satanic beings or creatures or Satan himself and they need to do that to get ahead. And it's it's just insane. How I never for a second thought that was real for her forty two years of my life, and now I don't doubt it for a second, just like I don't I

don't doubt God for a second anymore either. Indeed, And I don't know if it's just because of our age or because things have changed so much, but into the seventies and eighties, things seemed more innocent, and I grew up at the same time with you, Like my mom didn't want me to have the Quiet Riot and the Motley Crew and the Iron good good gracious when she saw the iron Maiden number of the Beast right, excuse me, But you know, from the eighties to today, at least then to some degree,

they tried to hide the evil they would put. You know, they say, you could put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. But they did a clever job disguising it. But over the years they don't even they don't disguise it anymore. You look at the opening of the I think it was called like the Goodwill Games or something from twenty eighteen. That ceremony was creepy. Then you look at this guy, Sam Smith. They're on stage wearing devil outfits. And many of these halftime shows have really

evil kind and you know, really evil feel to them. And that's what a lot of these things really are when you awake and you look at these events. And that's one reason why I kind of tend to steer away from these things, because when you get a lot of people together like that, it almost becomes that like they're they're trying to harvest, like that that rapper

in Houston where you had everybody who was vaccinated. You could only go to the concert if you were vaccinated, and as you entered the concert, it was through an open mouth, which is kind of like a feast to Moloch type of vibe to it. There's certainly a level that they don't They're not even trying to hide it anymore. No, not at all. I mean

it is right out on the open. And I really feel like though, unless you have you know, for lack of a better term, unless you have that awakening, you see it and you just think like they're just you know, doing something fun or they're just messing around. It's not actual like Satan worship or devil worship. And you know because I you know, as early as six months ago, I would have seen something like that and just not thought twice about it. But then once you're awake and you see it,

it is everywhere. And getting back to what you had mentioned earlier, the movie Rounders and Teddy was named Teddy KGB and he was you know, when he was bluffing the way he ate his oreos, and you had mentioned the same thing with the dogs. Could you expand on that just a little bit more about how that's the elites or the controller's way of tipping in their hat more than just like within the stars itself. Yeah, trying to think

of where I where's the absolute first time I came across that. You know, I said it was the James Webb. Give me just one second, I'll see I wrote a few things down and maybe it was there. Yeah, James Webb, the guy who left NASA right before they went to the moon. Oh did he was it? He stepped down I think January of sixty nine. Okay, I didn't realize that. Yeah, And I cannot think of where I first saw it, But I and I don't know if

I saw it in the stars first. I think I must have seen it in the stars first, because I and then the James Webb anyway, like it is, and I know it sounds ridiculous and I'm not unaware of that, but I have seen it in so many places where, you know, like going back to the submarine. As soon as I heard about that submarine, I was like, there is something evil about that that was done intentionally or it's a lie. And I went and I and I studied the video.

There was a YouTube video or an Instagram post of you know, the people on it, and there was a moment where one of the guys on the submarine like he's filming, you know, they're just having a good time. They're about to go down check out the Titanic or whatever it was. And they closed the door. And there's just like a moment or two that seemed intentional where they were focused on the submarine door and it was and it

was very metallic looking the inside of it. And at this point I had already kind of been onto the dog thing, and I was like, I'm going to, you know, look to see this, and there were it's you got to slow it down and you've got to be aware, but there are it's like almost if you were to have like images behind an image. It is. It's there, but it's so on and it's so hidden, and you have if you're not looking exactly for it, it's hard to see.

But I found I have found it in so many things as recently as Yahoo posted pictures of the clouds from the Lahina fire and they're like literally dogheads and I'm sorry, not the clouds the smoke from the Lahina fire, and there are pictures of dog faces there, And I don't know if it has to do with kind of you know, if we're showing them the animals they love most and we're putting it right in their face to make them see it

that it's not going against their free will. It's kind of like we're showing you that we're lying. We're putting it in your face that there are your most beloved animal is in images of space or under the ground. And I don't know if it if it's kind of like a laugh on us, where they're just putting it there and laughing, or if it's like we need to do that to kind of not impact their free will like they do with you know, putting it right in our face in movies and things like that,

kind of like disclosure. That's like we told you that's our symbol. Yeah, exactly. Mentally, p Hall, you know who was the thirty third degree Freemason, he said how much symbology means to the elites and the people who are in the club. And he does say that once people figure out how to read the symbols and then and only then the great veil will fall from mankind's eyes. So and I I agree with that, and I'm starting to see them all over the place. And it's the dog thing is crazy

to me. I've seen it in the Tesla and Space. There's a just so people if they want to go check it out, there's a it's one of the main you know, I think it's probably maybe a minute or two video on YouTube. You can research the Tesla and Space and it is. You can see there should not be a reflection of anything, and there's on

the wind shield. You know, they're showing the test Less supposedly floating in space and it's kind of maneuvering around a little and the camera's changing angles and in the windshield, do you see this reflection start to come up into the into the Tesla? And I mean, sure enough, it is. That's one of the clearest ones I've ever found. It as a dog's CGI imprint in the Tesla windshield. One of the ones we were you and I were

not sure if it was before or once we started recording. But talking about David Ike, and he's big for your listeners, He's really big into you know, talking about reptilians and the matrix we live in and things like that, and I was into him for a while, but I what I've come to find and believe that I truly think he's kind of part of the club too. And there was a video I was watching with him and it's his name, Brian Rose. I think, yeah, yeah, do you know

what I'm talking about? Okay, So they're talking and behind Brian Rose there's this giant flag and is he see England? Is he from England? He certainly is, yes, Okay, so it's probably an English flag or British flag, And there's a lot of white in this flag, and and it should just be white, there shouldn't be any sort of discoloration. And I see discoloration. So I zoom in and what do I see? A bunch of dog faces in it? And I show my wife. I was like,

do you see these dogs? And she's like, yeah, I do. I'm like, well, that is exactly like I thought I would find. And then the end of the video, it's an Instagram video, they go and they shake hands and again there's like a weird camera shot and they just zoom in on their handshake, but right behind their handshake. There is a giant metal dog statue that's like right in the film, like they're purposely

showing at instead of their handshake. And and I really like, I think this is I don't think many people know this, if any, And I think it's something that I kind of wanted to get out there and see if other people kind of started to look into it, if more people could see it, because I truly think it's a way to kind of tip off the lives of the world. And they've put it in so many things I couldn't even list them all. That's interesting. Yeah, and that's the show they

do is called London Real. That's Brian, Yes, yes, yes, that's it and David. I. Yeah, I haven't watched it in a while, but yeah they and again to two and a half million subscribers.

Well yeah, as soon as when I saw the London Real had one point five or two and a half whatever it's at now, I was like, yeah, Like, he says a lot of good things, but you know, I think the big thing he those guys are pushing is they'll say a lot of things that you know, people like I like myself, like to hear, like, you know, the vaccine was bad, vaccine was evil. But their big agenda seems to be crypto. They seem to be wanting

to push crypto a lot, and that is that. I know there's a lot of people that are excited about that, but man, once you lose control, and I'm someone who have personally been affected. I had my PayPal, both my business and personal canceled because I dared to do an episode on paper or black Rock and vand card and the next day I got a letter from PayPal headquarters. A couple of days later and it's it's you know, for me, it was personal. I'm like, dang, you know here

I am. I served my country proudly, this, that and the other thing, fighting for my First Amendment rights, and just because I say something that goes against the agenda, I'm deplatformed. I had to scramble to figure out a way to get paid for my ad revenue and everything else. And it's frightening. And I don't think people who haven't really had to go through something like that, to have their bank taken from them, that their means of income one, you know, one of the means of income, it's

you're you're officially in the war. You're officially in the spiritual war when you were targeted, and that was over a year ago. And obviously there's another wave coming. You know, we all got I had a YouTube channel and I can't post anything anymore. Uh, it'll get pulled mid stream. They don't don't even wait for me to finish streaming anymore. So it's important you know these things we talk about and listen, uh, this podcast that everyone's

listening to. We may not agree on every single thing we're discussing, but one thing we will all agree on is we are being deceived. Absolutely, and it's I've heard you to say that they should down your paint down and it's just it's unbelievable to me. And obviously I wish you nothing but continued success and growth, but I don't want you to get to I'm a little worried for you. You're gonna get to a point you're too big, and

that they're gonna flow your whole this whole podcast. Well, that's why I I keep the websites going if I if you know, there will there's a lot of talk in the communities that there's going to be a podcast purge the way there was a YouTube purge. That's why I keep that radio player on the websites. I can stream live from there anytime I want, so I could leave a note on the website, Hey, I'm gonna go to live tonight at eight pm tonight, and then I have ham Radio. I can

buy time with w c QB and I can stream from there. You know, fifty thousand plot tower that There's lots of other backups, but obviously the

logistics get more difficult. But it's amazing how you could you know people on YouTube and TikTok that they can literally have shows on the most the level of debauchery of some of these shows that that get all these you know looks, and then if you try to have something where you just want to have an honest conversation about your your personal beliefs and convictions, you're you're held at gunpoint and told you're you know, a shuckster and get off our platform. Yeah,

it's crazy. I wanted to mention something, you know, we were talking about David Ike and Brian Rose guy, and I just wanted to mention this because I've heard it the past, maybe even two of the last three episodes I've watched or I'm sorry. I've listened to of this podcast and I've heard a lot of positive talk about Kennedy and RFK and and I, you know, I'm not here to bad mouth anyone, but I I have found some things and discovered some things that really make me think he is just again

like everybody else. You know, I don't see any difference between you know, him or any other candidate. They're all the same people. I think you would probably agree with that. But I think he is someone that is being put put forth right now to reel the people like ourselves back in, to reel the people who are upset about the vaccines, and to kind of be like, Okay, this guy is anti vaccine. He's telling us the truth. I you know, one of your listeners I was talking about how

he was an attorney and he's really interest the truth. And I don't see it that way. Not everyone has to listen to me, but I just wanted to make sure I put my opinion about that out there because I, you know, I think he's part of the bloodline, like just everybody else probably Oh yeah, and the Kennedy bloodline. They got wealthy at the expense of everybody else. Who lost money during the Great Depression of the late twenties.

Money the big families like the Boeing family, who is the Boeing Airplanes, the DuPonts, Just like covid Man. It was a huge wealth transfer and nothing different there definitely one thing I did want to touch on is a few was there a smoking gun for you? And then do you keep what is your silver bullet for you? If you have a few moments to talk with someone and try to if you could give him one piece of advice,

like what won you over for flat Earth? I think Polaris is big for me, even though it kind of threw me for a loop at first. But when I first sat down and you know, took a screenshot of where Polaris was when I was sitting in my backyard, and I an hour later took a screenshot sitting in the exact same spot and it hadn't budged, and then did the same thing the next day. That was the aha moment.

Unfortunately, I went and was looked at Google and was not eive enough to realize or to not realize that Google was just you know, creating some nonsense. Because I didn't realize Google was full of nonsense at that point, So that kind of delayed my aha moment. But I was real close to getting

there. I was really thinking there was a good chance. And then I had seen on YouTube there was you know, and I know you've talked about this, but there was there's a clip of a guy who took a video or a picture of the Chicago skyline from the Warren, the Michigan Warren Dune State Park, and it is you know, if you do the math, the globe math, there's I think, you know, at sixty miles you shouldn't be able to there should be a you know, two thousand foot curve

where you can't see an object two thousand feet tall. And the Series or Willis Tower as it's called now stands at about fifteen hundred feet and in that picture you can clearly see it, sir. And then so I sent that to a friend and then he found a picture that had clearly been doctored. To me, I was it might have may have even been a video, but it was like it almost looked like they just took the water and they put it higher so you could only see a little bit of the Sears Tower.

And we went back and forth. I'm like, your videos doctored, and he said, my videos doctored. And I, luckily, I was going to Michigan that next week, and I took a tour and went to that exact spot that the worn State Dunes in Michigan and saw the entire Chicago skyline, talked a bottom with my own eyes and I didn't have to rely on the picture. And that was the last straw where I was like, it's flat. And I think I had probably already known that, just because

the my star incident with the dogs and the stars. But I think that is that's not so much the smoking gun of it being flat, as that was the smoking gun of this place is not what they've told us. So I think i'd use pilaris and I'd use water. And how it's always level and we see too far all the time. You can't ever experience a curve ever, And you know, for some reason, that seems very easy and logical to me, but apparently that's really hard for others to see that that

you're trying trying to tell to people about. Yeah, it's funny now that I'm kind of on the other side and I'm awake and I can see. And there's days when I'm sitting here in the office doing some work, answering emails, and I think I was like, wow, I actually believe that water could stick to a ball. Yes, right, I was down at We live about a half hour from Lake Michigan, and my wife and I

were down there today. And you know, I always my brother is a boat captain and he cannot even get close to flat earth because of being a boat captain. I think he swears and he says that he learned and that he sees, and this is nothing against him. This is just kind of describing his point of view that he can see as a boat goes away, it goes from you know, bottom, the bottom disappears first and then the

top. So he is someone that cannot get on it, and he is on He used to work on Lake Michigan and he would see it all the time. And from my point of view when I'm trying to think of you know, you can see when I'm down at Lake Michigan, the beach I go to, I can see thirty miles to the north, and I can

see about thirty miles to the south, and I can see Chicago. So there is an expanse of about sixty miles, and when I look out to the horizon, you know, I could understand how you can't see like you would think, Okay, you can't see the curve going away from you. Okay. But what I've never realized, and I heard someone say that it may have even been on your podcast. You can't see it going away. But if I can see all the way to my left and all the way

to my right, we don't live on a paper towel. The curve isn't just going away from you. It would be going from side to side too. And it's just like, how did I never notice that all I see for miles on miles and miles of horizon is straight water? It's not we don't live on a paper towel. And does that make sense the paper towel analogy? Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's just like you. I just sit down or I was sitting down there today

and I was like, I don't know how I ever believe this. It's it's crazy, and I've had I was at a friend's house for dinner the other week, and you know, he knew I was of this mindset, and he I didn't want to talk about around his kids. And I could tell he had had some sort of experience with flat Earth, and you know, he was like flat Earth, really, like why flat Earth? And you know, I you know, explained why, and and it just seemed

like you had experience. And I was like, what, what is your previous experience with this that you have such a negative, you know, kind of mindset with it. And he had said his daughter came home from school, his daughters maybe nine or ten, and was convinced the Earth was flat and they literally had to spend three weeks teaching or how I was round.

And it made me so upset just thinking about the fact that this poor kid is doing everything right and just experiencing the world as it is, experience using her senses to see that the sky is or the earth is not moving, but the stars and the sun and the moon is moving above us, and that we're not spinning, and that we're not walking upside down on the other side of the Earth, and for you know, like it upset me so

much. But I just you know, like he he is so set on it, and he doesn't want to listen to my point of view that I you know, I can't say anything. I can't go you know, I'm obviously not going to go to my friend's child and say, hey, the Earth is flat, but it was. It's upsetting to me, especially as a teacher, and I'm I'm even struggling with going back to schools as a

teacher. Fortunately for me, I don't teach anything that I don't agree with, but it's just it's tough to go back to a place that you don't agree with. Now, based on knowing that it's just the indoctrination camp that

it is. Yeah, we're starting to get stories and hear stories from other podcasters who is this was a science teacher and he decided to start his own, you know, like a homeschool community because you know, especially if you're a Christian and you believe in the creation story and a geocentric like a biblical cosmology, and then you have to go, you know, sit in front of if you're doing five classes a day, thirty children, that's one hundred

and fifty children that you're teaching evolution in the Big Bank theory too, because it's demanded by the state and the federal government. There's a lot of people who have a hard time coping with that, Yeah, for sure, And like I mean, I couldn't even imagine being you know, say I was a science teacher or even a history teacher with some of the nonsense history that I've come to realize exists. I know I wouldn't be able to do it. But as a strength and conditioning teacher, you know, I can teach

things that have nothing to do with the lies. But it's still I'm having a tough time wanting to go back because I know, I know it's something I'm passionate about and we want to talk about, and kind of like we talked about earlier, it's like a lot of things are just small talk now, and I don't I know that it's truth to me, it's truth to you, and it's not a belief, it's it's knowledge. It's but the school systems won't see it that way. And I know anything I would say

about it would just get me in hot water. And at one point I had this burning passion to go in and try to make some really positive change and get people to see, you know, it's just the whole thing for several weeks has been I just want to start, you know, a row of domino is if I could push one domino over, then who knows what it could change. And I think I have struggled really hard trying to do that with any friends, any family. I've tried a few teachers, and

it is almost an impossibility. But I think part of that has obviously been my approach. It just pushing too hard, too fast, instead of like us, say, leaving the bread breadcrumbs. One thing I did want to ask you before we started to wrap things up, where where's your wife on board? As far as the truth train that you know you're pretty far ahead. Where is she at with some of these things? I'm glad you asked.

It's been it's been a struggle. I think you know, from my perspective, She's someone I've been with for twenty five years, and you know, I feel like if she were to come to me and say something, I would just take her at face value, like I would give her the benefit of the doubt, and I would be like, Okay, I don't think the earth is flat, but I'm willing to listen. And she has not wanted to take part of it, and it's been a struggle with us.

However, recently her cousin came over. He's a college student, he's twenty one, and I had no idea how much of an open mind he had. So her cousin came over to fish, and her dad came over to fish. And my wife has experienced nothing but negativity from other people towards me, nothing but people thinking I am crazy and delusional and schizophrenic and all the words you can think of. And her cousin, Pierre, came over and her dad and her cousin is like fully red pilled and is a flat

Earth. I had no idea, is totally red pilled on all the things I am. So she sat and kind of just heard us talk and realized that I'm not the only one that thinks this way. And then her dad was super receptive. He heard us mentioned flat Earth, and he was like, what's flat Earth? And my wife said, it's the belief the round or the Earth isn't round, it's flat, and he goes, yeah, it's like I think it could be. He's like, they just told us

in school was round, but I've never seen proof. He's like, you might be right, Tyler, and like it was like the weight of the world lifted off my shoulders because I had two people not only willing to listen and one of them fully on board with a lot of my beliefs, but another one that was just open minded enough to not shut me out right away.

And my wife was kind of just a bystander and listened and participated a little and I think that kind of just change her viewpoint on this a lot, to the point where she's asked me a few things, like a few concepts of flat earth that you know, about the firmament and different things, and it's like we're having discussions about it instead of arguments now. And it's,

like I said, it is a load off the shoulders. That's awesome, and that can make all the difference in the world where you can just have a couple of people at least say yeah, it's possible, you know, yeah for sure, bit of vindication. It doesn't you know, everybody. I understand everybody's journey is different. And again there's a lot of people who you know, I say this, but still, after everything we've gone through over the last three years, I'm a little surprised how many people still

blindly trust the state. You know what I mean, the state, I mean, you know any that the state, the government at the federal level, and they're just not looking out for our best interest. And we know that, you know who runs the earth. And going back to uh, what's his name? The musician who you know, if he can make it do with the devil, I mean, he's here, you can, you

can do these things. And the people at the top of the food chains, all the secret societies and there is that there's a reason why they call themselves the Illuminati, because they're illuminated to information that we don't have. There's there's information for the peons like you and I, and then they, you know, they know the secrets of the world, and for us everything is deception. And that's simply the world we live in. And we just all we can do is strive to find the truth, yep. And I'm trying

to encourage people to do that. And I you know, like I said, I you know, I think people get the impression that I'm pushing things on people because I want to be right, and that is for that can

be more far from the truth. All I'm trying to do is give people the knowledge that they're being lied to and that they shouldn't trust the people that are telling them to take vaccines or to do this, and you know, like my family was all very quick to get the vaccines and even you know, persuaded to me to do it, and not my favorite way kind of where I was feeling to the point where I wouldn't be able to see my niece and nephew. So I ended up getting it against my better judgment.

But you know, half my reason or ninety percent of my reason of trying to push this knowledge on people is so if there is a situation like that again, they know that they shouldn't trust the people telling them to do things, from the media, from the news, from your own president. They're not people, like you said, that have our best interest at heart. And that's not a belief of mine anymore. I know that it's a great way to kind of get to the closing of this program is yeah, that

they manipulated families and they use so many deceitful ways. And you know, I just said I recorded a four hour retrospective on COVID and having to go back and to listen to the ridiculous things that they were doing and the level of propaganda they used against us, and then just to realize that was just a few years ago. Imagine what they've been doing for all those years, and much of the deception they use is very subtle. Well, you know, we go back to the TV, the movies, and it's a long

process and it's very difficult to break the matrix. But once you do, it's like being born again, and you literally are born again. And to me, from my perspective, it brought me closer to God. I realized he was right above polaris. You know. That was my journey to the truth and it brought me closer to God. But it also made me realize that I don't depend on man. I don't answer to man. Right,

everything was given to us by God. Yeah, and I couldn't agree more I you know, I kind of mentioned earlier, just kind of in my upbringing. I was raised Catholic, but went to you know, Catechism and got confirmed and all that. But it was between me and my friends. It was something we had to do. It was something that was pushed on us. I was never overly spiritual. I believed in the Big Bang and evolution, and I am one believer in God. Now you know, where

I have a Bible sitting next to my bed. I'm praying, do we have two minutes where I can tell kind of a quick good story has to do with that a little bit? Yeah ahead, Yeah. Well, So I bought some flatter shirts and I was very proud to be sporting those, and woke up the other morning and I wanted to share my thoughts on the Lahainah incident with my wife. And like I said, she is we honeymoon there, so it's very close to her heart. She was very upset by

it. But right away I thought there was something a little bit more nefarious to it. So but I came in the bedroom and I wanted to tell her about it, and it was first thing in the morning, and respectfully, she has asked, you can talk about this stuff, but first thing in the morning, I don't want negativity. I don't want to talk about Satan and I crossed that boundary. So we got into a little bit of an argument, and I didn't want to apologize, and I probably should have,

but I ended up leaving. I just wanted to go and take a bike ride and pull off. So I've got my flatterth T shirt on and I'm biking. I'm biking, I'm biking and I get about thirty miles away from my house and I take a left off this bike path and there's about a twenty five foot section area, and I should say real quick, before

I get to that, I'm those thirty miles I'm praying. I'm saying to God, please give me a sign or give me the strength to help me through this time with my wife, Like it's it's a hard time because I have these beliefs, and anyway, I'm having these prayers, and I throughout my whole life, I have not been a big prayer unless I'm getting on a plane and terrified, which I'm not me more because I believe in God.

But anyway, I'm praying on that bike ride and I get to this twenty five foot section of path where I'm literally only going to be on it for those twenty five feet. I turn, I'm on it and I'm passing just one single gentleman and he looks at me and he gives me a thumbs up and he goes, I think it's flat too, And I stopped and I was like, do you really think that or are you just like making fun? He's like, oh no, He's like, I really think it.

It comes over and we start talking and he's like, I've had some pretty incredible experiences. He was telling me about this experience with photographing the moon and eclipse and how it just didn't add up the way it was told.

And I had literally just my last post on Instagram was about an eclipse in the moon, and we just got talking and it turned out he was going he he was biking from Wisconsin to Florida because he wanted to see his kids and he didn't have a car, and he's been a bad dad and he just broke up with his girlfriend and he's literally biking from Wisconsin to Florida. But before he even gets to Illinois from Wisconsin, his bike broke down.

So he's walking and we talk and we're sharing all these things and we're very aligned in our beliefs and things, and it was just like you couldn't believe how many things we agreed on, and especially for me because a lot of them were in a short amount of time. And I just and I let him and I go, you know what, I was like, take my bike. And he looks at me and he's like his eyes water up a

little, and he's like no way, and I'm like yeah. I was like, you gotta take my bike, like, I'll figure out a way home. Take my bike, and he said, I'll take it under one circumstance. And he knew I was on my bike because my wife and I arguing, and he goes, I'll take it under one circumstance, and he said you need to be kind and love your wife, and then he started

crying. I started crying. I hugged him, and then I hadn't even got his name yet, and then he told me his name and his name his initials were JC, and I was like, this is like the most insane incredible thing that I'm hugging the stranger crying, giving my prized bike possession a white because I love that thing, and then had been praying on it.

And then Joseph Cougar happened to be meet me within the only twenty five feet of my thirty miles I would have ever come across him, and it's just like, there's just another confirmation that there are bigger things in this world than us, and if you focus on the right ones and the positive ones like God and friends and family, some good things can happen you know what a story and people say there there's no such thing as miracles anymore, and

that's that's an incredible story. You know you God set that person for for that to for you know, He meant for me to to at that particular time. The timing of it and the fact that I had never worn a flat earth shirt and the literal twenty five feet out of thirty miles that it could have only happened and as initials were, jac was just it was too perfect. That's awesome. I have a T shirt of a globe and the word indoctrination under it. People just give me confused looks. I've never got

anybody they're coming on it. They just look at it and they're confused by it. All. Oh, I'm sure. Well it's You've been a tremendous guest and we've had a great conversation and I want to thank you for your time and your honesty and just incredible you know, your transformation, and you've taken in a lot of information and I know sometimes I know it was for me and it's a list of the day. When I go down certain rabbit holes, it can be certainly overwhelming, and it's great to be able to

sit down and chat with like minded people. I do. I'd like to give you the opportunity to close out with anything else you'd like to say. Honestly, I just want to thank you. You know I mentioned earlier you and your podcast and all the other like minded individuals and fellow flat Earthers that I've been listening to. Chat with you is been more therapeutic than going to

spend money with my therapist. And nothing against him, he's a he's a great guy, but sometimes it just helps to to hear like minded individuals. And George keep up the amazing work. I'll be listening to every episode and maybe someday I can come on The Fact Hunter as well and talk a little bit more holographic technology. Absolutely, we'll look to that towards the end of September. That's that's something again after flat Earth, you're willing to look into

anything. You're not as quick to judge certain subjects, because once you realize that the Granddaddy of all was alive and anything as possible, that is for sure. It's been another great episode, and I want to thank everybody for your continued support of the podcast As we approach one hundred episodes and we haven't quite hit a year yet, and we'll keep chugging along, trying to bring different voices from around the world with their journey to the truth and flattered and

again for Tyler, I'm George, God bless everyone. Keep your head on a swivel, and until the next time we see you, folks, we will see you.