Episode 81: Flat Earth Conversation with Joe

The following presentation is Nadel margat Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds everyone well. And today we have a special guests standing by who will be joining us in just a moment. His name is Joe from Minnesota. I think this is the fourth or fifth person we've had from

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you, sir, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. George, Yeah, it's great to meet you. You know, before we get into the conversation, you can tell the listeners a little bit about yourself. Well, I'm a I'm a fifty year old guy from Minnesota, born and

raised here my whole life. And you know, as you had mentioned throughout your podcast series that twenty twenty was kind of the year that changed everything and opened up a lot of people's eyes, and that I would say that that's kind of part of the awakening that I had, so not necessarily on flat Earth, but just about government things and and different situations from from there.

And I'll go into more of my stuff, but I run a business, So during twenty twenty, I was trying to run a business and have employees work from home and things like that. But in the in the last year, so I've just decided, you know, I was going to google flat Earth and see if I could debunk it, and somehow I came across the fact fact Hunter podcast, and you had mentioned your other podcast, the Flat Earth Files, So I gave that a try just to debunk it, and

I've been listening to it ever since. I've kind of put my fantasy football podcasts on hold. Yeah, it is almost that time of year right now that that's one of the things that I indulge myself to just because it's it's more of a family event than anything else. I couldn't even tell you who the starting quarterback is for the Tennessee Titans, but it's just something we do as a family and it was something that was important to my dad. We carry on that tradition. So it is funny for me at least. I

don't want to speak for anyone else. But as I came into the truth community and that the more that I realized conspiracy theories were not theories, they were the truth. Kind of, like you said, some of the things that were kind of important to me, like the sports and music. I had a music podcast back in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen that was doing really well breaking down eighties rock and roll and led Zeppelin four and all these other things.

They kind of take a back seat, At least for me it did, because I realized that these are all part of the distractions and don't get me wrong, it's nice to have distractions from time to time, but I think sometimes we take some of those distractions and we kind of lose focus on what we really should be focused on. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, you know, I would agree with that definitely. As I've gotten into your podcasts and listen to it, you know, definitely some of the

other things that were top of mind is interested in mine. I've kind of fallen off and I've taken less importance of them. Now as I've delved into it, you know, I'm enjoying them again, you know, I'm bringing them back and and the two can go hand in hand. So I am enjoying it and but at the same time still learning about you know, going down this rabbit hole hasn't taken all of my time, but just enough to

keep me interested and keep me engaged. There you go. One of the reasons I sent my email to you is because I found as you have guests on and as you go through your stuff, I found myself almost like talking to your podcast, going oh no, no, no, I agree with that, or no, that's wrong, or you know, and so I said, well, you know, instead of having a dialogue with the podcast. Maybe send an email and I could be a guest. There you go, and I appreciate that. And it's like I was telling you before we

hit the record button, that is certainly had. The podcast has taken on a life of its own. And the thing that people when they email me, what resonates with them the most is listening to people's journey to the truth, because that is what makes this the podcast unique, is listening to people's

journey, and it really resonates with them. And one of the common components that we hear over and over again is that year of twenty twenty when people say, wait a second, really, and I think they overplayed their cards, and I think there's a big reason that had a lot to do with a great awakening that we're seeing today. I agree. And as long as you mentioned that, you know, I kind of if you're okay, I'll

dive right into it. It's done on your overplaying in a hand. So being from Minnesota, the hand while a hand was overplayed, you'd be surprised that it wasn't really overplayed. So I am actually shocked at how many people just fell in line. So while it may have been overplayed and woke up a group of people. And again I don't really like that wake up versus a sleep thing. I understand where it comes from, right, but to

use that terminology, it woke up a lot of people. But I was amazed at how many people friends, family, colleagues just went along with the program. And so while it did wake up a group certain subset of the population, the numbers are still on the government side, oh one hundred percent. Now let me ask you a question. During the course of twenty twenty, did you see the device? How it divided like kind of many families, even include in my extended family. It was a divisive you know,

you're not getting the vaccine? Are you crazy? You know you're not. You know that type of thing. Is that something that you saw firstand as well, So this is probably a good transition sort into our story. So, you know, I run a business and right around I remember it was a couple of days before Saint Patrick's Day of twenty twenty. You know, we had to send our employees home and figure out how they can work remote. So we all went home. I spent two weeks at home. Kids

are at home from school, and after two weeks. My wife said, you got to go back to work because this isn't going to work with all of us in the house together. And and you know, I run a business, so there's there's a physical location, We get mail, we got applications, we got you know, there's things that need to happen. So a business partner of mine and I we decided, you know, we have

to go into the office. And it was really weird driving on the freeway that was completely empty, completely empty, and I'm nervous that I'm going to get pulled over and have to justify myself for driving into work. I mean that that's how weird it was. It was just like out of a movie. And there were times I was nervous, like like what if I get arrested? You know, it's just one of those things. And everything's in

lockdown. The building is dark, that lights are off, so, you know, and I'm going to downtown Minneapolis and I'm using key cards to get in, and so there's a there's a computer record that I'm doing all this, and there's cameras, you know, and I'm always wondering, like, am I actually going to get arrested for just going into work, but you know what, we were critical people because we had to keep the business running.

We did have to physically be in the office and do things. So that's a small transition that was kind of around that that March time frame, and I still remember Easter of that timeframe and my wife or my wife and I we took it very seriously and if it's if it's a virus, you know, we had I wouldn't call myself a prepper, but I'm prepared. We had N ninety five masks stashed and so that time, like, you know, we had the N ninety five masks with us because if it's a

real virus, you need an N ninety five mask. I mean, you know, that's just what you do. And I remember giving them to my parents and my in laws. I'm remember that Easter vividly because we went and had Easter in my parents' front yard and we were wearing our N ninety five masks and my parents and I don't want to disparage them or anything like that,

but their understanding of it was a little bit differently. So they'd come out and give us hugs or whatever, you know, and We're like, no, no, no, you gotta keep your distance, and they're like, no, that's okay, we washed our hands inside. You know, there's there's this element of like, well, they're not quite understanding what this virus is and how it can work, you know. And I'll continue with that story a little bit later because it dovetails into one of my awakenings of

what this virus really was. Well, i'll actually just go into that story that. So then through that spring, my parents and I have a handicapped sister who's older, and she still lives at home. She goes to her boyfriend's you know, probably every other week, and they go out and about and do things. And to be blunt, my dad and my sister didn't really quarantine very well. They were out there doing things. And I remember turning to my outh one time and I said, if my dad and my

sister haven't caught up by no, it's not contagious. And it's kind of a punchline, but there was an element of truth to that. And I remember watching the you know, all those press conferences that Trump had with Fauci and everything. We every day we watched them, you know, like we were just glued to the TV. Finding I was going on, and when it started not making sense, that's when my wife and I are like, like, this doesn't make sense. Yeah, and man, there's so many

ways to go with that. Number one. I'm in the same line of you. I'm I think it's okay. I don't If you want to call me a prepper, that's fine. But I think one thing that people should learn, if we go back to twenty twenty again, if you wait for something to happen to get prepared, it's already too late. If you remember how quickly the things like the toilet paper and things like that go out the window. So we've made it. We have one spare room that we turned

into just a room for nonperishables we can. My wife just goes to the garden, you know, a couple of times a week, and she cans everything. So we take it seriously because I kind of see I believe this is a little bit off topic here, but I believe that the stock market is falsely being kept up. I think during the day you'll see it. I don't know how if you keep an eye on it that much, you're

not. But I see it in the morning it'll drop two three hundred points and then it comes back, and to me, that's the average people like you and I selling and then the folks like Black Rock and Van God or excuse me, Vanguard buying it up. I do think I don't like to be a fear you know, constant fear guy, because I still live my life. I don't live in fear. But I'm also a realist and I do think that we're going to have some type of credit event as soon as

this fall. So I do tell people, especially in the Fact Hunner at the end of every podcast, if you stay ready, you'll be ready. Don't wait for an event to happen to start preparing, because by then it's too late. So you know, we talk about that you watched your father and your sister just kind of continue on. They didn't alter their life too much. Did you You know when you started that rabbit hole? Did you have you or have you? I should say, come upon the whole germ

theory versus terrain theory type of rabbit hole. No, and I haven't gone down that rabbit hole yet, but that might be one of the next ones.

I kind of go down as I hear you mention it more often, but kind of like what I said in my email, like, to me, the major one is is flatterth And before we dive into that, you know, just to kind of give you a little bit more of my history of the twenty twenty because as long as I'm telling that story, so as that spring rolled around, you know, my wife and I are like, well, these other masks are just ridiculous, So it clearly doesn't mean anything.

I remember us going down to Florida because we have family in Florida. So over that Memorial Day weekend, we went down to Florida and it was just a dream come true. We're like, oh my gosh, it's a different place down here. It's in it's the opposite of Minnesota. And we were reading in the news that the mayors of the mayors and the governors of Minneapolis and Saint Paul and Minnesota, we're going to have heavier lockdowns, you

know, coming out of that Memorial Day and more mask mandates. So I remember telling telling everybody that like, I was gonna go back and I was going to be the rebel. I was gonna. I'm like, there's no I'm not even gonna wear a mask. I'm just gonna I'm just not gonna do it. And lo and behold, that very same weekend is when George

Floyd happened. So then obviously my tone on being obstinate towards the police was not going to happen, you know, And because the last thing I was gonna do is harassed police, and the last thing I was gonna do is be obstinate. So so, you know, I complied because it was a whole different environment then, and once the George Floyd thing happened, Minneapolis was nuts. It was crazy, it was unsafe, it was everything that you

can just dribe everything on the news. Nothing was exaggerated. You we live in a pretty safe suburbs, but it was it was scary, and you know, without delving into too many personal details, but we made we prepared, you know, and one of the things was to go downtown. I bought one of those retractable police batons, so I pepper spraining a police baton that I would carry on me at all times, just because I just I didn't know, you know, like you just you need to have something with

you. And again that summer, I remember, so this is a true story. So there was a summer let's call it a Wednesday, and I'm

in the office doing work and you know, doing client emails. And finally, at about noon one o'clock, I decided to check non client emails and there was one from the building management that said that there was going to be a George Floyd protest literally a block away from where I work, starting at like two, and that was like I looked at my watch and that was an hour and I'm like, oh my gosh, i gotta get out of here. So immediately packed up my bag. So I'm in a polo shirt

shorts, you know. I grabbed my work bag and as soon as I left my building and the door clicked behind me, I realized that I'm locked out of the building. Like I'm out on the streets. I'm locked out of the building. And I walked to my parking ramp building, pull on the doors. There's a chain around the doors and it's locked. So I

go to another set of doors. They're locked. So I am out on the streets, locked out of buildings, and I know this protest is going to start literally a half a block away from me, you know, in forty five minutes, and the crowd's already starting to gather and I'm just like, what I mean, fear runs through you. And I finally called the security guard of the building where my car is and they said, you got to walk down the ramp. So I walked down the ramp, out of

my car, drove out of downtown, no problem. But still, when your heart's racing one hundred miles an hour, it's it's a whole different place. And again, growing up in Minnesota, I knew where. You know, when you grew up in a town, you know where the safe places are, you know where the non safe places are. You know where you can go during the day, you know where you can't go during night,

all those types of things, and all that's just flipped upside down. There is just whatever you thought was safe or not safe, it's just flipped upside down't now and you have to treat everything as you have to. You have to. You have your head on a swivel everywhere you go in Minnesota right now, that's insane because growing up there's an author that I used to read

in the nineties and two thousands, John Sanford. He had the entire series the Prey Novels, And you know, I always pictured Minnesota into the nine, you know, growing I guess thirties and forties whatever, But I always pictured Minnesota just to be this peaceful place where people went to fish. And then when I saw what happened in twenty twenty, I was just like, Wow, if this can happen in a place like Mani and Minneapolis, this

can happen anywhere. And again, twenty twenty had so many ups and downs, and for you know, you were literally within a hundred feet of some something that we were watching on the news at home. These events that'll live in the history books forever. On the mary Letta Police Precinct get burned down, we watched it live. It was it. It was crazy. That's crazy, That is insane. One of the other things prior to that, which just I didn't understand how people couldn't see the evil in is how the

government decided who was essential and who was not essential. Yeah, that's another. So again it's it's kind of a punchline for me. Well, I shouldn't say a punchline for me, it's a punchline. It's a joke. I tell only because of how serious it is. I remember our governor getting a haircut on his front lawn by his wife. And while everybody's laughing, the media is laughing. I turned to my wife and I go, how insulting. She goes, well, what do you mean? I go,

it's insulting. That's somebody's career. Somebody's career, Like, can you imagine. So let's say your job was, you know, let's say I call it the laptop class. Let's say your job was to work on a laptop every day. Well what if the governor sat on the front lawn with the laptop? He goes, look, I'm doing your job. Ha ha. Yep. You know, it's just it's insulting. It doesn't matter what your job is. And it made me. It did make me mad. Yeah,

and I still don't. There's a lot of people who don't understand how big a chain of events that started the first and again we'll get to flatter here in a second, but yeah, December twenty third, nineteen thirteen was the first in a series of events that that is going to bring down the

downfall the country. That was the Federal Reserve. But what people haven't seen over the last three years is how the middle class has been decimated, how small business has been decimated, and people don't realize that small business used to represent almost eighty percent of the country, and we're starting to see that flow. I know, just for example, Colorado Springs, there was a report in the Denver Post how almost forty percent of the small businesses in Colorado Springs

went out of business between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. And now that Yellow, you know, one of the largest transportation companies in the world, has just declared bankruptcy. But what many people don't know is they were one of the few places that would transport less than an entire truckload. Right.

Walmart ships by truckloads, Amazon ships by truckloads. But George, who had a medical equipment store, I would ship a palette or two of something and Yellow would transport that for me. And now that's gone, and thirty thousand trucking jobs are gone, and people still think everything is you know, nothing

to see here. And twenty twenty was another one of these events that it's scared people and once again people will give up a little of their liberty for a little bit of security and they'll see in the end it's not going to be worth it. So that's that's kind of a good transition, so I

should say that I am actually in the financial services industry. So I'm probably not going to comment on any stock market stuff because I really don't want to have to take this podcast and record and understand, report it to my regulatories and have it filed away. So I'm gonna stay away from commenting on that. But you're I think you're dead on about the whole eliminating of small businesses.

I also think it's about eliminating in the middle class. And I know in my email I mentioned Okay, yeah, I was number four my bullet points. It's just kind of some ideas about money and business and things like that. I can't find the clip anymore. But back when Hillary and Trump were running against each other, she made this comment that made me google it. She said, we don't need any kulaks in America. And I'm like, cool, what is a kulak? And I googled it and the cool

and I should probably google against so that I'm reading the proper definition. But if I remember cluckily, it's it's a Russian term for a kind of let's just call it, like a farmer who owns a big enough farm to be able to hire staff. And when when Communist Russia was was kind of taking off, they wanted to eliminate all the Kulaks. They did not want landowners

and laborers and so. But but I thought it very very strange that she would mention that you got to eliminate the Kulaks in America, Like why is she using a Russian term? Like it's just it was weird. And who are the Kulaks in America? They're they're They're the plumbers, They're me, they're you. They're the people who are kind of self employed, who can, you know, maybe hire one or two people to help them out, who run small businesses. They're the you know, there are the small business

that's being wiped out. So I do think there is something about big government trying to wipe out the small businesses and the middle class. And you're right, by the way, when you sent me that email, you can't find that clip on YouTube anymore. I might I may have found it on bit shoot or some other place, but I can't find where. I'll have to go back and check. And you're right, I actually mentioned this recently. I guess six weeks ago we touched on stalin the Greater good with a question

mark. And one of the things that came up was the COOLOCKX And these were people, these were farmers who were their middle class. They were doing well, and that's exactly what they want to get rid of. And you're seeing. Man, last night, I did a podcast something I had no idea of this. Uh. I think it's called alpha gal this syndrome that that is the result of a tick bite and all these people, all of a sudden are allergic to a red meat. And what has the World Economic

Forum been saying for the last three years? I know, I know, insane. Just a coincidence though, right, yeah, so and kind of like tying to to you know that koolaks and the middle class and stuff. I remember one time or well, okay, so listening to your podcast, one of the things that you've mentioned a few times is that you know, the elites or whoever they are, is doing it for the money. And

and maybe you've said that it kind of in passing. But the first thing that I wanted to like have a debate with you about as well, it's not about the money, because the money is really just the grease in the system. The money is to keep the system moving in their favor because it really is ultimately about power, especially if you think about the Federal Reserve that can just make money out of thin air. It While money is at the root of it, the money is really more the grease in the engine that

makes things work. But that's really I don't think that's the end goal for any of these things, right, And they have been slowly buying up And you're right the Federal Reserve, for the first sixty years it was backed by gold, so while they could purnt a lot, it still had to be back by gold. But that all changed in the early seventies with Nixon when they took it off the gold standard and became a full fledged fee currency. And now you're right, money they can just print at their own will.

Now, is it eventually going to cause a hyper inflation event like we've seen in so many other countries, Well, it's you know, again, we'll stay away from the financial side of things, but that's something that we need to really be careful of. And you're right, it's all about power. That's it is a mechanism. Let's say it's a tool in their toolbox, right, it's and the end game is power and compliance, and I think

they realized that. I think they were shocked, to be honest with you, Joe, I think they were shocked at how quickly we bent our knee and complied at something that you can't even see with the human eye. If you think about how powerful that is, that they controlled us with something that you can't even see with the naked eye. I couldn't believe it when we had to cent our employees home. I remember telling my business partners, I

go, yeah, I give us a couple of weeks. There's no way Americans are going to put up with this, and I am just shocked. I still people still see people driving around in their car with me asks on, and I just I like, wow, it is It's it's pretty crazy how everybody kind of, like I said, a lot of people are like you know, you mentioned it was they overplay their hand, but they may

have only overplayed their hand just to flush out people like us. Agreed, But if you don't mind, I kind of want to go in in order with the things you wrote, because it's a great The way you you knocked everything out is when you sent the email a couple of months ago, you said you weren't sold on flat Earth. Yet in terms of percentage, is zero that you think we're on a ball spinning or one hundred where you know it's geocentric Earth. Where are you today? Well, it's hard, it's

hard to say, but somewhere in the middle. Let's just say I'm very open to it. I'm not I don't shut it down. And so if we want to talk about the flat earth type stuff, which obviously is your podcast, so it makes sense. I think the best way to prove flat Earth Earth, or prove that we're not on a ball is with science. And it's a little bit like letting the snake eat its own tail, where I know a lot of your guests have talked about referencing the Bible and things

of a religious nature to kind of prove flat Earth. I would argue you got to go in the other direction because if there's a whole group of people that aren't believing the Bible anyway, they're not going to take the Bible as their truth then so then you have to take what they believe is truth and use the mirror back at them, if that makes any sense. Yeah, And here's my thing. If they would just let us go to Antarctica.

We could prove it for ourselves. That's that's my big thing. Just let us go and if we walk all the way across and we come out the other side, then I will come here and I would say, ladies and gentlemen, it's been a pleasure being the most of the flat Earth files. But we live on a ball. Everybody, have a great day, and make sure you stay tuned for the fact on her and we'll wrap things up. But I think they intentionally do these things because because of the lie,

and I think this is another control mechanism. I think if we're on a ball spinning her linked through space, they can continue to use asteroids as fear porn, like nukes as as fear and control, just like they did with that tiny invisible thing, you know, that little COVID bug that you see with little things sticking out that everybody. They were able to shut down churches over it. I mean, it's just incredible. So I think it's a

control mechanism. I do believe that heliocentrism is a form of control. Yep. And so for me, it's a flat Earth. It resides on using science. It's seeing too far, it's you know, things of those. Those are the things that we need to underline and highlights and and keep flushing out, you know. And if you grab a globe and a string and you know, you go Minnesota to Germany and you tighten the string, yep, it goes up over Greenland. So the flight path on northern hemisphere kind

of makes sense for me a little bit. But flight paths in the southern hemisphere, that's so it's Antarctica flight paths in the southern hemisphere. Those are two huge things that I'd love I'd love to know the answer for percent. You mentioned talking about what resonates with the borderline folks. I guess folks like

yourself that are on the border. Is that what you're mentioning about. Yeah, exactly, And so I would go back to that's the science stuff, Like if if science can prove the Earth is flat, then it's then that's that's the first domino, you know, it's the one that that kind of will set off everything else. Yeah, but you know what, what's the disparaging thing? Like I have physically seen people do laser tests that prove it, and people will still come and say, yeah, but this and that.

The other thing I think at the end of the day, there are some people that will be skeptical. I think just because of the programming that is done between the public education system and the way they have made people to accept flat earthers as just, for lack of a better word, they're nut jobs, right, Remember how how you know Obamas like these crazy flat earthers. Everybody's like, yeah, how about them? So that the way the system has made us. Look, I think there are people even if you

put it in their face, they're gonna not wholly accept it. I think

that's something that we got to figure out a way to overcome. And you know, fair point, But I would say the more that you can have simple so what i'd call simple things that regular people can prove, whether it's you can see too far, and if there was a way, so going back to your business card idea, if you can leave little business card nuggets around or links or something like that, and if there was the laser test like on a video where people have did it, you know, like something

we're just enough to make somebody go huh, well that's weird, you know. Also the bridge, was it the bridge in England where they did the flags? I think you describe that one in one of your early podcasts, The Wealth Bone fascinating. Yeah, so you know, little things like that. So again, I think the scene too far without a curve is huge,

and you know there's other ones like that. But I think it's again, if you're going to if if if the mass public thinks that religious is religion religion and the Bible is a bunch of parables, then there's no way they're going to take what the Bible says as to be true. You know, they're going to take it as more of more parables as opposed to fact. So then so then the again, the snake's got to eat itself. Scientism needs to eat itself in order to prove that it's wrong. Well said.

And by the way, I'm glad you mentioned that the meeting I had before you and I came on was about the website and we are hoping to get them implemented in the very near future where people can just go to the website and print them off on their own as well or order them and have them delivered straight to the house. So it's something that is slowly coming to fruition. I'm not the most tech heavy guy, so I got some folks

helping me with how cure codes work and everything else. So the things that you're talking about that we need to do to get closer to, you know, getting people to see these things for their own eyes is coming closer and closer. So thanks for that. Now you mentioned why why why is flatter the most important conspiracy theory? Well, and let me just take one step backwards real quick to share my journey. You know, watching and I'll admit

Ancient Aliens was was something that that I watched all the time. I would say maybe ten years ago, fifteen years ago. You know, I enjoyed it. And one of the things that Ancient Aliens broke down for me was the barrier that the Bible and religious texts and things were not just stories,

that they were actually recordings of history. Because it's and I know it's ancient Aliens about Aliens, but you know when they talked about people coming down from the sky or something like that, they weren't just using that as a parable or stories to tell somebody. They were writing down facts. So I was already kind of open to those things being true, so that when flat Earth came around, it was a small hurdle for me to then accept religious texts

as more fact. Yeah, and I get you know, I had no many, no idea. So many people watch that program. It's interesting. I probably thirty percent of the people who've been on the program mentioned that ancient aliens you know that TV show? I guess it was. It's huge. And again when I think that's one of the things that people have to deal with, Well, if we're on a flat earth covered by a dome,

then that changes. Again a lot of the people who were have fascinations with or maybe have had you know, there's people who believe that they've had these type of interactions with and who knows right, whether they're demons or you know, maybe they think anyway. But it's it's very fascinating to me, to make a long story short, that so many people have been affected one way or another by this. I guess TV show. Was it on Discovery or

something? History Channel? Yeah? I think were History Channel or Discovery, so one of the two. Yeah, that is so interesting and I think, yeah, And what I think it broke down was again to reiterate it when whether it's Greek mythology or Roman mythology or you know, biblical stories instead of it just being mythology, it was they may have actually been telling new

events of what actually happened. So while in that context it was ancient Aliens, I think what it does is it breaks down for the person watching it that the historians of the world were actually writing down what they experienced happened, not what just a story to tell, right exactly. And it's which go ahead, No, I was just gonna say, which kind of changes your perspective on it in order to then in the flat Earth journey, you know,

you need to kind of be open to that. You need to be open that the Bible is telling you the truth, it's not actually telling you a story exactly exactly. And along that line with NASA, it always found that interesting that all their missions were entangled with Greek mythology Apollo, when now Artemis, how they are related to Apollo. I don't think that is accidental, how they label all their missions with Greek mythology, and how Rome has

such a grasp on the world as far as the political power side. Yeah, So then kind of going back to what I was saying, so instead of emphasizing religious texts to prove flat earth, if you can use science to prove fat flat earth, then it proves the religious text, which then brings in the Bible and religious texts into full scope. So to me, that would be the order that I think would work for mass populations or the world.

Yeah, and I've gotten that message many times, people who've actually realized where they've seen videos or for themselves, they can see too far, and that proves I think that is one of the most powerful weapons we have. And that's using their own calculations, right the hit inches per mouth squared.

And if we can see too far using their own calculations, and like you said, destroying scientism with science, then people will realize that evolution and the Big Bang theory and all the things that scientism developed, they'll see the holes in those lies exactly. And then to ask answer your question why flat earth is the most important, I would say, just flat out it. It

just it proves God exists. It just it's it's undeniable. That means there's been a more ulti century conspiracy tricking the world on purpose that goes multi level, multi generational, at a certain subset of of let's call it elitism or something like that. So again, if you can prove flat earth. It is just a It is the mother of all I'm going to say conspiracy theories, but it's the mother of all conspiracy theories. Yeah, it really is.

And I don't know if people really can digest how many how many things would fall, like we should all if you know, if we could get everybody on board and we could prove it, the first thing, we should all march down to Houston and get NASA on a repayment plan for all the taxpayers number one, right, right, And you know, it's not even about the money, it's about the control. It's about And again, like you know, I mentioned this my wife as well. I don't need to

believe flat Earth to believe in God. And I'm like, no, no, you don't. But but but if if for the world it proves God, it just changes so much. It's just everything else just falls aside. It's almost like the matrix gets broken down and it makes all the other ones really irrelevant, like whether they asked to fake the moon lighting or really went to it actually doesn't even matter. Like if if we prove flat Earth,

all the other ones really just become non existent. Yep, And there's so much that people and I always joke about how people pay for their own indoctrination. You know, Hollywood and TV plays a big part of the indoctrination. I remember being a young guy, being nine or ten years old watching Star Wars in the movie theater in the seventies, and that puts your mind out there that you're flying an X wing fighter throughout or space fighting evil. And

you know, we think it's school when we're young. But in a way, we pay for her own indoctrination. Yeah we do. Yeah, I totally get it. You and I are about the same aide, so we probably had the same similar upbringing when it comes to pop culture. And let me ask you this, how would I don't Well, I remember being I think it was nineteen eighty six, like we had the television rolled into our you know, our high school class, and we watched the Challenger go up

in flames. Is that something they did in your school as well? Yep. We were in the hall, so we were everybody, all the kids were in the halls watching the watching TV. Yep. That's so interesting. Let's talk a little bit about if you want to expand on your journey to flat Earth, but also something that people mention a lot on the program. Why is the name flat Earth so important? I think it's important because it

actually because that's what people are looking for. It's instead of deflecting against the name, I say, you own it. You own it, and it's one of those things. You got to be proud of it. You gotta put it forward and eventually it will break down through the things. But to run from it because it has the stigma isn't going to help because all you're gonna do is masquerade, so people can't well one for you, people can't find you thene But also it's it's I have it, okay, So I'm

a financial advisor. And early on being a financial advisor, we would try to come up with all kinds of crazy names so that we're not calling ourselves financial advisors because people have a negative you know, if you if you're at a party and you go, what do you do? I'm a financial advisor? I gotta go. So early in my career, it's like you're trying

to find all these different names. Did not call yourself a financial but at the end of the year, financial advisor and people understand what that means. So to come up with a different name than flat earth is because you're not what it's really saying is one hundred percent in your heart of hearts, you're not one hundred percent with it out in the public. So you're trying to

find a different way to disguise it to make it sound better. But at the end of the day, the public recognizes you at that, so you just just it should be worn as a bad of honor as opposed to something that needs to be changed. And also because our goal is to spread it to other people, so it's like you can't change the name mid midstream.

I couldn't agree with you anymore. Number one, because people when they go into search engine that will put geocentric Earth, they're a biblical cosmology they put in flat earth. And number two, I think it goes what you just mentioned goes back to beating scientism with science and beating the you know, Satan with his own tools. If we own it, run with it and say yep, I'm a flat earth, or without having to start and rebrand something

completely different. You know that everybody knows who a flat earth or what it means, but nobody if you say, what do you think about geocentric Earth. Most people don't have to stop in Google. I don't even know what geocentric earth news, so, you know, and I've had many people say that we need to get away from it, and I'm at the point also i embrace it. And I have no problem telling people that we are on a flat earth. Of course, of course it's not perfectly flat mountains,

this and that and the other thing. But let's just take it. Just like you know, the the FBI in nineteen sixty seven created the word conspiracy theorist. If you want to call me a conspiracy theorist, I'm fine with it because most people know that since March of twenty twenty, we're we're batting nine hundred or so, right, we're eighty three out of eighty four, and people who made fun of us prior to that or starting to say, well, geez, you know, maybe maybe you're right about this. So

I'm down with that. I'm owning it, just like if you want to call me a conspiracy theorist, that's fine as well. Let's beat them with their own tools. I know you kind of talked about number three there about twenty twenty and what went down there in Minnesota. What else did you mention about sharing the your ideas of money and business, et cetera. Yeah, we talked a little bit, but that was kind of my my ideas that

the middle class is going away. That you know, and I hate to use the word they and the elites or whatever that is, but but you know, they want a two class system, the elites and basically slaves or serfs or a class that's one hundred percent dependent on the government. They do not want self sufficient people in the middle. They do not want empowered people

in the middle. That's what has made America great since since it was started, is that somebody without a high school education could become a millionaire in America by just by buying real estate property and doing the right thing for thirty years and they could have a real estate you know, empire and be self sufficient. You know, you can't go to there's almost no other country you can

go to where you get and that is magical here. But whoever they is the whether it's the World Economic Forum or the global elites or whatever, they don't want us to have that power. They don't want a middle class, they don't want self sufficiency, they don't want independence, they don't want independent thinking. And yeah, so that's that's kind of my thought on that.

And every step that's happened is another step towards breeding. Whether it was originally you know, Walmart, and remember when Walmart was the evil one for going in any small towns. Yeah, and and then you know there was Barnes and Noble putting out little booksellers, and then Amazon was putting out the Barnes and Nobles. I mean, it's just and every step of the way, we're just moving more and more in that direction where everything is just owned by

one giant company. Yeah. I remember Downtown's used to be full of you know, just mom and pop stores you can go and get you know food. They had a little deli, and those are more far and far and few between. And what people don't realize, who maybe who has never had a business before, is especially in retail, this is more true in retail than anything else. When you purchase from a distributor, you pay one price for one to ten items, you pay a lesser price for eleven to twenty

items, and the more you buy, the less you pay. You go to Ali Baba and you'll you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. I can't compete with Walmart as far as purchasing, Like when I was purchasing medical scrubs, you know, I'd buy fifty or sixty sets a week. When Walmart, because they have so many locations around the country, they could buy fifty thousand sets a week, and they were able to sell the exact same thing I sold in the mall, you know, a hundred yards away at a

third of the price. So people would literally come into my store, they try on some scrubs, they take a picture of it, and then they'd walk over to Walmart and buy it or order it from Amazon. Because once again, I can't You can't compete with the purchase power of an Amazon or a Walmart. And that is one of the other big reasons why mom and pop stores are starting. You're seeing less and less of them. Yeah, and so I you know, I'll break I'll break my rule and I'll delve

into kind of the financial world a little bit. You know, when the index funds we're kind of invented thirty forty years ago, you know, it was it was great because you could indust in quote unquote the index and and then and that's where the black rock and vanguard and those types of things come into play because they own the companies inside that index and they become the major shareholder. Then that can decide on how the proxies are voted and what things

get put on the proxy statement for the company. So in this essence, these large financial institutions control all the companies. And it started making me think,

and I thought about this a couple months ago. I'm like, I wonder if I wonder if these index funds were actually created just to do that, Like, instead of it being this great tool for investors to have low expense ratios and get access to a market, I wonder if it was purposely generated in order to gobble up market share so that those companies can control how they vote. Now, I will say in there, they have a fiduciary

obligation to vote and what's the best interest for the shareholders. So I do want to put that in there, and they have an outside council that guides them on that. But it is funny that the same handful of names pop up as the number one shareholder for almost every company that you'll look, go yeah, And I always go back to the fact where bud Light had their

little campaign with the Dylan person and everybody on the right. They said, I'm not drink of bud Light, And it turns out that Madelo or something like that turned out to be the beer they all went to. And both beers are owned by the same company, the big the guy at the top of the pyramid. So you think that you're you're damaging a brand, Well, maybe you're damaging a brand, but the money that you divert is still

going to the same shareholder, and you're one hundred percent right. And the thing that I worry about is this credit event that I do think and this is just me talking here. I'm not talking on Joe's behalf, and this is me talking thinking that I do think they are creating this credit event for a reason to bring the digital currency. And there's a lot of people who

champion the digital currency. I am not that type of guy. I do believe that is something that they will be able to use more command and control with. I would agree, and that's going to be And this is coming from somebody who got booted off PayPal and everything else a couple of days after I did the episode on black Rock and Vanguard. So they're listening when people tell people listen, you know, and you're absolutely right. And again this

delves into different type of conversation. But you know, if you if you look at California, they have all incentive for every to buy electric cars, but they have a fragile grid that keeps collapsing, so then then they're gonna have brown out. See, we can't even charge a car. So I mean, like I personally think it's a goal to get everybody on the grid so they can control when and where you go. And every car's got a three hundred mile range, and that's only if you're if you're doing kind of

regular drive. If you're just gonna get on the freeway and go, you're not going to get your three hundred miles, And then it's going to take you overnight to charge. Even if you can charge, you might not have the permission to be able to charge. So there's gonna be a lot of control about people movements stuff like that as we mons direction and if we're going to digital currency, I'm not going to be able to fill up my truck to go up to the lake, you know, because they're basically going to

say you've used your allocation of gas for the month. So you're done. That's it. It's all. That's what it's all about. It's all about commanding control and going full circle back to flat Earth again. In my retrospects of going through all the deep dives, no matter what it is, it all comes back to control, and they have almost mastered every aspect of our life. I don't think anything is organic anymore. I think everything happens for

a reason. It's to invoke certain emotions and certain reactions. I think they know how we are going to react. I think that's part of what social media was all about for the last twenty five years. Somebody posts something the way you react to it. If you do a smile, it, thumbs down, or a heart all these things I believe are kept in a I think we, all of us with through social media, helped develop AI through our reactions to post, whether it be on Twitter or Facebook, I think

we helped create artificial intelligence ourselves. I totally agree. My wife and I have conversations, and I don't have an example for you, but let's say we'll have a conversation about something completely unrelated to anything that we're looking at on our phone, and it might be I don't know, like different flowers we're going to put in the front guard or something like that, And all of a sudden, I'm being there's advertisements for like front yard landscaping on my feet.

It's it's shocking. I happened so often that that I'll show my wife my phone should be like, oh my gosh, that's scary, you know it just like it's it's always apparently it's always listening it is. I learned that the hard way to talking about a baseball collection I had when I had an Alexa out and when I went on Facebook shortly after that conversation, there was these baseball collections on sale on my Facebook. That's why I'm like, okay, it's a time to gather up all the Alexis and put in the

fireplace. That that was just crazy. So when it comes to flat Earth, all I do is listen to your podcast on on the Apple podcast things, so that that's that's all I've really done as far as flatter So but flatter things now pop up everywhere electronically for me, and it pops up on Face, Facebook, Twitter, It's all over the place for me. Now, So there's there's big long tentacles on what you're doing. Yeah, it certainly is. And that's going full circle again that this is why uh fahrenheit

four fifty one. And we've been buying physical copies of books like crazy because the things that we were taught about and maybe some people say I had a guest on the other day that was talking about the not the Mandela effect, but where you think something happened one way and then it happened another. But it's it's greatly important because we do have a lot of tools at our disposed

right now, but we're not always going to have them. So we print out recipes and all the things that we take advantage of where we stopped at Google, Google something, we'll also print something just to have physical copies of. Because we talk about being controlled with gas, how far we can go once they go to the grid. You know, this whole green grid is nothing more than, like you said, being able to control us. But you may only have so much time available on the web, on the internet

as well. Can I tell a funny story about my dadad please? Yeah, all right. So he was in his working career, he was very good with computers and you know, he'd build his own computer, so he was very texting every when it came to that stuff. And then it came to the point where he'd built his own WiFi antenna for the house, not an antenna, but like internally, so he kind of like built his own

router or whatever, and he would turn his WiFi on and off. So like when I'd call him, I'd be like, what'd you get my email? He's like, no, I haven't turned out on the WiFi yet. And I used to like make fun of him, like what do you what do you mean turn off the WiFi. He's like, well, I haven't turned it off or turn it on, you know, And and I'm just like, all right, Dad, just leave it on. It's just it's like it's like utility. You don't turn it on and off. It's just

always on. And then you know, lo and behold. Three years later, I'm like, yeah, there's there's some genius in there that is interesting. And I've had many people tell me say, George, you need to get rid of your your wireless internet and just hardwire everything. Some people say it's because of the effects, some people say it's because of the security. Maybe it's a combination of both. Yeah, no, I would agree. Can we talk a little bit about it flatter Earth, Yeah, let's do

it. Okay. So one of the things I'm scared so one of the things shouldn't say skeptical, but one of the things I have questions with so and a lot of this stems with southern hemisphere. So if the sun circles around the disk, that means in order to keep a twenty four hour day, it's got to slow down during the winter times as it's it's no during the summertimes when it's more in the northern hemisphere, and it's got to speed

up in the southern hemisphere. Correct. Well, you know somebody mentioned that to me about a week ago. If you look at a clock or I'm sorry, like a watch, isn't it going going around the clock at the same speed sixty seconds per minute? Yeah, but the outer edge of the hand on a clock is actually spinning at a faster rate than the inner edge. Okay, So I don't know. So that's that's one of the things that I haven't been able to resolve yet. And I'm not expecting an answer

from you, but it's it's one of those things. So I call it the sun circles. It's it's one of those things that still is a question for me. And if the sun radiates the same amount of light, then technically the Southern hemisphere should have a lot more darkness throughout the year, not just in their winter time than the northern hemisphere, just because there's more surface area that it's got to cover and it can only you know, when the

sun shining, it's only covering the same one area. So so that's that's one thing that sticks where I go. I'd love to have more information on that. Yeah, And that is actually something that we're going to be bringing up to more, uh for David White. So I've had about three people ask the same questions, and the Southern hemisphere is probably the most asked questions when it comes to those type of things. And even with the the the solar system. Yeah, and you know, we have many of the same

questions with heliocentrism as well. If the if the sun is really ninety three million miles away, why does it Why do the sun rays come through the clouds like that? Why do I get more sunburn in just a difference of a thousand or two thousand feet you know, if I go to Colorado Springs or Albuquerque. I'm going to get a sunburn much quicker than I do,

say in Saint Louis or Mobile, Alabama. If it's truly ninety three million miles away, I wouldn't think a couple of thousand feet would make a difference. So I'm more on board with the flat earth side. But again, once again, is there some things that we don't know of? Of course, I've always said that we as humans are very curious in nature, and I think sometimes, you know, we're kind of too cocky. We think

we need an answer for everything. I believe that God created the universe in a way that we're not going to have the answers for everything until maybe we go into you know, we pass on, and maybe then we'll be able to look down and see how everything truly works. I think the flat earth model is pretty close, but there are still some you know, on both models, there's still some questions on both sides, but I find so many more holes. Specifically, my biggest you know, you want to talk about,

the smoking gun for heliocentrism is just water sticking a ball. I never bought it as a kid, but you know that wasn't in the top fifty things in my importance. When you're growing up, when you're worried about girls and sports and getting a job and all that thing, you know, these things take a back seat. But you know that never made any sense to me whatsoever. Yeah, no one, I can get that. And I

did download the David Weiss app. And so I'm very curious about all these things, and I want to tackle them, you know, with myself, you know, kind of one by one, and I want to use kind of science to prove things or disprove things. And but seeing too far as the one that that's the hook for me, that's the one that's like, Okay, if that's true, then we have to reevaluate so many different things

about the heliocentrism model. What if my recent guests mentioned something, I think this is something we probably could do, because it just doesn't seem like we're ever going to be able, at least in our lifetimes to get to Antarctica.

But he said, what if we went to South America, you know, Chili, down the southern tip of Chili, and we were able to get into a hot air balloon or something like that, something similar to what Picard did back in the nineteen thirties and look for ourselves with a camera that

didn't have a fish eye lens for the masses to see. It would take a lot of logistics and some things, but I think that is one of the few things that we could possibly do in order to of course, we'd have to have the right conditions, and there's so much involved in it, but I think we do need to if we really want to disprove it, we need to be bold and start doing these type of things if we really want to change the hearts and minds of people, as they say, and

I agree, and I think the Southern hemisphere holds so many of the answers, and obviously Antarctica in and of itself is the true answer. And what you've mentioned in a bunch of your podcasts in the past is I mean, how do I how do I explain this? Okay, in NFL terms, a coach will come on and tell you something, but they're telling you what they want to tell you. The only way to know what how a coach

or a team really feels about a player is their actions. It comes to like who they draft, who they trade, who they signed, so it's their actions that speak louder than what they say. That's that's my fantasy football analogy. Well, if you're watching governments and their actions, and the fact that you know, again, the Germans in the middle of a world war wanted to get down to Antarctica, you know, and have a base there.

And after World War Two, all of a sudden, all these people who are supposed to be enemies with one another make a treaty with one other that they've held for eighty years. I mean, there's something too, that there really is. And I say that all the time we are almost on the verge of a world war with Russia and China and both that those guys are on the agreements with the Antarctica treaty. And there's videos on YouTube out of all places you can find of folks trying to get near what is it

the sixtieth degree parallel, and the navy ships roll up on them. They're like, you just can't go down there. Yeah, so you know we are. And I'll tell you what. If you look at the map between Australia and the southern tip of South America, I'm hard pressed to believe that

there's not land mass out there somewhere, right. I do believe some people talk about maybe there's land beyond the ice walls, and maybe there is, but I believe that there's probably even a smaller continent that's out there that they hide from us. Go ahead, I don't. I I was just gonna say, there almost has to be especially well, especially if you're if you do the flatter thing, there's just so much space. Yeah, it's huge, but even on a globe, there's a ton of space out there.

And I don't I forget the flight that disappeared over the Indian Ocean and we were looking for it's remnants for quite h three seventy Is that the one? And again there's there's Again there's something too that in the globe theory, there's no way that they would get lost. But on a flat earth, if they're on, if they're out of position, they're they're kind of toast right, that's right. And by the way, it goes even deeper than that.

They had some I forget the computer, some type of waffle chips, and I'm really naive when it comes to that type of conversation, but there were four or five patented chips that were cutting edge technology, and from some of the things I've read, it also had to do with cloaking. And there was a bunch of doctors on those flights, a lot of when I mean doctors, I mean PhDs in the technological areas. Some folks from Austin, one of the big technology They still on their website have a little memorial

thing for the people who were on the flight. So it goes very deep. It just wasn't a flight that got lost. There was some cutting edge technology that they were taken to a conference in Indonesia or wherever it was. And there's some very very esteemed people in some technology that had just been patented, and it is quite the rabbit hole. Interesting. All right, I'm surprised you haven't asked me about the moon landing yet. Oh yeah, that's

yeah. What are your thoughts on the moon landing? Well, okay, so I don't have strong thoughts on it. To me, it probably is not real. But the problem is now in this day and age, there's no way for me to ascertain whether a picture is real or doctor because you could google. If I want to find a clown face in the sand on the moon, there's going to be a picture of it out there. So it's it's one of those things where it's been parodied so much that I can't

I can't figure it out one way or the other. And so but it's it doesn't make sense. I shouldn't say it doesn't make sense to me. Everything that's been presented to me from like the Fact Hunter and things like that. I I don't believe that it happened. But it's one of those I don't have a strong feeling on or another. But I bring it up only because you've always asked your guests, you know, where do they fall at

nine to eleven the moon landing? What's their pecking order on quote unquote conspiracy theories where you know where where was the flat Earth and their journey and and so that's why I wanted to bring that up. Yeah, for sure, And that was that's something important. It was, you know, I guess flat Earth was again during the COVID thing is when you kind of came into it. Correct, No is after that. In fact, it is literally

in twenty twenty three. It was something that you know, all of a sudden, certain celebrities are talking about that they're flat earthers, and you're just like, what's okay? All right? And when I heard it on your Fact Hunter podcast that you that you had a Flat Earth Files podcast, I'm like, all right, I'm just you know, I'm like, it's Fantasy

football seasons over, so I'm gonna flip over and I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna I'm gonna start and i'm gonna I'm either gonna come away from it saying it's crazy and it's it's nuts, or I'm gonna be sucked in and I'm still listening to it. So that's amazing because most people, I think they said, well, I guess maybe it's not because you had already started that

stairway of conspiracies. You've been down the rabbit hole. So maybe some things prior, if you hadn't been in the conspiracy realm, you may have. And if that was the first podcast you listened to on the Fact Hunter and you heard me mentioned flat Earth, you may have even not going back to

listen to the podcast again. But because you'd been down the rabbit hole and you realized that many of the things that are presented in the world is a lie, maybe you were more willing to just go down that rabbit hole and where a lot of people do not. It's very it's still it can be very divisive in the truth community. Yeah, And in twenty twenty, for me, was not a year where I had a lot of time on my hands to go down rabbit holes. I was. I was running a business.

We have, you know, there's three partners and there was maybe five employees at the time, so we were and I two kids in school. They were doing home you know, all of a sudden, they we're doing home school. It's like twenty twenty was a year where I didn't have free time. I was very, very busy basically trying to keep the whole ship together. And so to me, twenty wasn't a year where I went down

any rabbit holes. But you're right, i'd already. But twenty twenty years the year where watching it play out in real time, the whole COVID and vaccine narrative, watching that playout was probably my awakening into this stuff that made me open to it. And I'll probably say that my wife and I and our kids are not vaccinated, and at never point did we ever even consider vaccinating them, and we had tried to figure out alternative plans if we needed

to change schools or anything like that. So, you know, that's amazing to hear we did the same thing. I never thought I would be a home school teacher. Yeah, but but again I started. It was a combination of both, I found out. It started with I'm not going to give my family an experimental vaccine. But then I also started reading books like

Eustace Mullins Murder by Vaccination. There's a really if you, like I said, if you're going to go down the germ theory, it's good bye germ theory, ending a century of medical fraud by doctor William Trebling or treating It's it's a huge seller. It's believe it or not. It's still an Amazon by by by some way. But then I started realizing and looking at the numbers, and again, folks, I'm not a doctor. I don't prescribed

to be. But when you look when Reagan took the vaccine companies off the hook in nineteen eighty six, and then you saw the schedule just go crazy, and that's really when autism took off. You know that that was just my discernment and it was my decision. And yeah, I'm the same way it's just different priorities. But then I also realized, Joe, was why do I continue to send my children off for other people to mold their minds?

Because everybody has a motive, even though it may not be intentional, right, everybody has their own way of life, their own thoughts on life. And I'm like, why am I continuing to send my children to other folks? I don't know their moral compass or you know, their personal preferences. And I took twenty twenty was just a huge change for me, and that's when I said, I'm just going to take my child's education and everything and we're going to do it on our own. And I'm glad I did.

And it's a challenge. It's not easy with everything else that goes on. But I do think sometimes we do outsource too many things maybe that we shouldn't, and I think we all need to do a better job of that. But that's just my opinion. I don't disagree. And our kids are at a Catholic school, so and we were kind of lucky that we chose that before twenty because once other parents found out that our school was going to be back in person again, more than everybody was trying to get in,

right, yeah, exactly. There was a mad rush and and now there's now there's a lot of kids at the school, and I feel, well, I'm not gonna I'm not going to come in anymore after that. But it's still a great school. But when you have a lot more kids than you have teachers for it, it does put a challenge, oh absolutely, And that that is another issue. And now, you know, some of the school's down here in Delaware, like one to thirty three, one to thirty four. You know, here it's one to one, And I know

exactly what's going in her mind for the most part. You know, I know we're running along in time. But one of the things I did want to stress on is kind of the Minnesota stuff. And I know pays do you know one of the things I want to talk about, And this becomes really personal. So I'm gonna go slow with it a little bit. But I feel like, especially in Minnesota, like we lost friends. We lost friends through the Trump stuff pre twenty twenty, and then we lost friends through

twenty twenty. And you know, I remember one friend, a couple friend they would have gatherings in their backyard, you know, so that everybody gets social distance, and we weren't invited to any of those, not one well, and you know, so it's just when we find out them, we find out about them through the grapevine, and and we know we're being isolated because we didn't get a vaccine. And it's just I know, these are those are small examples, but these are childhood friends that we've had our whole

lives. And it's just it's just different. It's just it's sad and it's real. I can't tell you how many emails I got over the last three years that that mentioned stories exactly like that one. We lived them firsthand. Uh, it was isolating, and it can you can kind of feel that

way just being in the truth community. When you break the matrix and you start living differently, and as I mentioned before, maybe some of the things that were important to us before weren't very important and you do get kind of left out of social events like that, and it can be hurtful, especially when we live in a country where you know, freedom of speech is supposed to be at the very top of the food chain of the things that we champion, and then when it came down to it, you know, they

didn't even want people to have physical autonomy. And if you don't have physical autonomy, you have no hope at freedom. And I saw people in social media, people I knew, were saying, Hey, maybe we need to activate the National Guard to vaccinate the people who don't want it, like that literally saying that that we should we should activate the Delaware National Guards to go to people's houses or set up like, you know, like a FEMA camp

kind of and you take them out there, you get them vaccinated. And I mean just you know or wellyan things, big brother, things that you never thought that you would see in your lifetime. And I said on my podcast last night on the Fact on her I said that next tuesday, I'm going to do this huge podcast on COVID again. I try to do it every six months, and I'm going to play audio from all of it.

And when you hear the things that people said, and we can't. To me, as a father, as a husband, as someone who served the country for twenty four years, I have seen previous generations. And I'm not trying to blame anybody. I'm just saying there's a reason we got to where we are today, and it's because so many people before us never held anyone accountable. And if we don't have accountability at the highest levels of government,

then we are setting our children and our grandchildren up for failure. So I will continue to shout the mantra of holding people accountable for what happened for the last few years, and I will continue to do so until I don't have any breath left to take amen. And that's personal for me, because you know, I don't want to turn this into into anything else, but it's it's personal to me. And the love of my life lost her job, and she was the one who was there for people when their husbands and wives

couldn't be there as their loved ones passed. And then a year later she was not wanted because she didn't want to be part of an experimental vaccination. So and I still hear a lot of people talk you just talked about Trump, right, I still hear people saying, well, just wait till November twenty twenty four. Really, really, we're just going to sit in our

hands for the next eighteen months and forget about everything that happened before. Okay, sure, if no wonder everything's broke, all right, I totally agree, And I don't know if your fact hunter has gone down the rabbit hole of Now this is just my all right. I shouldn't say it's my theory because it's not a theory. It's just an idea that came into my head. But is it possible that the COVID virus actually came from Ukraine? Because

I didn't. I think there's a bunch of bio weapons labs in Ukraine and for some reason, now like your Putin's trying to vail, like why are we throwing so much money at Ukraine? Now I'm going to get a bunch of emails saying that I'm an Putin supporterist or somebody. That's not what I'm trying to say. But it's just I'm trying to connect dots that maybe they are not connected, and maybe I'm not trying to connect them, but I'm

trying to look at a bigger picture. And my wife said this, dude, what if we think about Okay, remember the whole debate whether it came from a wet market or a bioweapons lab. Okay, So which is more racist to say that a country and a culture got a virus from a wet market? Because that's their culture, or they have an advanced bioweapons lab that

can build a thing. You know, it's it's kind of funny when you think about that level, like, well, the wet market seems to be more of a racist comment than having an danced biolab that could have a virus escape from it. But what if both of those are just the diversions that

it's actually from a completely different place altogether. Yeah, and that's very interesting because what they actually even came out and said was these bats that apparently flew these caves are like one hundred miles away from where these wet markets are. So the story even gets more and more funny. But there's five theories. One is, like you said, One is Ukraine that it's acknowledged there's biolabs

there. The second was University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill and doctor Barrick, I think his name is Ralph Barrick BA or C. Some people believe Fort Dietrich, Maryland, and I did some research very interesting the summer prior to so it would have been August September October of twenty nineteen. You can look on the news to this day. I put a little video together called COVID origins, and there was a massive illness all around Fort Dietrich in these

retirement communities in July. Even the news clip that the lady says the flu in July more in a moment. And that was also the summer where the great vaping illness happened, when everybody was They said people were getting these illnesses from vaping illnesses, and if you googled what the symptoms were, it was fever. It was everything that was basically people were getting sick from COVID and they were blaming it on that. So I for a long time I thought

it was Fort Dietrich and then Wuhan of course right. But the other one was was the really a virus at all? That that's another one that's out there as well. Now. I have talked to people, including the guy who won't speak free radio. He got very sick and he said it's something like he never had before. He almost died from it, and he said he had had the flu and illnesses before, but it was something not like

anything he had felt before. So I don't want to be just to say, oh, it's nothing out there, because to all the people who did get sick. That might be a little slap in the face, but at the same time, I wouldn't put anything past these monsters. So that's kind of the five theories that are out there, but Ukraine is certainly one of

them. It's I mean, we're throwing like hundreds of million dollars every single week for the last year and a half there, and we're paying for their pensions not too Yeah, I still I can't process when I hear things like that that people aren't just up in arms. And it's both sides, which which means there is heavy money laundering going through Ukraine for the last twenty years, and there's both sides are afraid of what's actually going to come out.

Oh, if you even google what was the most corrupt country in twenty fifteen in Europe, Ukraine will be at the top of the list every time. So I'm gonna make a confession. Is it the first time I'm gonna say it publicly? Writer? Around December fifth of twenty twenty one, my son got COVID and you know, he's ten, and we had to quarantine him for ten to fourteen days whatever the quarantine period was at that time, And of course Christmas is coming up, and we got school and it was running

around. I remember it going around the school, and so my wife and I are like, okay. So usually when one of our kids gets it means the second kid's gonna get sick probably three, four or five days later, and then that person, that kid's gonna up to quarantine, you know, and they're not gonna be able to be part of, you know, the Christmas programs and stuff like that. So we're like, okay, and then one of us is going to get it, like we're watching the Domino

effect. So what we did, as I told my son, I go, you breathe in as deeply as you can, and then breathe slowly out your nose. And as he breathes, as he excelled slowly out his nose, I inhaled through my nose. We were nose to nose and we did that as a fing, and uh, all four of us went down. So I did get it. And you know, we went down like Domino's one day right after the other. No, it's very possible they were all we were all going to get it anyway. So I don't know if our

actions actually did that or not. I bet I remember one night being pretty sick and I turned to my wife and I go, if this is how I die, it could be the stupiest way anybody ever died. She's personal all laughter, She's like, noted, all right, But we were both fine. We were all the family was fine. We were ready, you know, before Christmas came. We quarantined, you know, we followed all

the rules that were put out there so that we couldn't again. We didn't want to be accused of these people who didn't take the vaccine or whatever, but then didn't break the rules either and kind of spread stuff around. We wanted to, hey, if you if you put a rule out there, we're gonna follow it, even though we think it's ridiculous, because we don't want you to point fingers at us in the other direction. And we were ready to go by Christmas, and we're all good. But it was it's

kind of a funny story. We did it, and my wife said, she goes, I can't believe we're doing this, and I go, hey, if we're gonna talk the talk, we gotta walk the walk. She's like, all right, let's do it. You know, you laugh. But I remember being a young boy and the neighbor two houses down got chicken pox and they had a chicken pox party. Yeah, they're like, great, now you have it. Now you have natural munity. You're good to

go. That's that is kind of again, we've gotten away from this natural or you know, homeopathic or I forget the terminology, always confuse them, where we just you get it, your body overcomes it. But the new medicine is vaccinations, right, that that is the way. And even I played an audio of Fauci in two thousand and eight when the H one N one was the big thing that they were going to push. He was on record of saying there's nothing more effective than natural immunity, actually catching it and

get in overcoming it. That there's nothing more powerful than that. And then twelve years later, oh no, the most important thing is getting vaccinations. It's just funny to hear, you know, push these things. I have two more thoughts. These are these are kind of lessons of life that I always bring up and my wife finds them funny. I want to call the money button. The money button is whether it's a celebrity or just well,

actually anybody. When you find your money button, your natural instinct is to hit the money button as many times as possible without breaking it. And what I mean by that is, you know, if you're a musician and you have a certain you know, if you're a band, like let's call it, like you two, they have a kind of a thing. They have a sound. You stick with your sound because your sound is the money button.

And once you find somebody's money button, whether it's Fauci or you know, anybody, or myself or you like, you can kind of watch that. Our behavior is to keep hitting that money button sometimes even when the facts

present themselves that you probably shouldn't stop doing it. But the reason I say that is because when somebody is getting success doing something, there's a they don't, you know, like Faunci, he's not he doesn't want to lose the limelight like that's his he is, he's there, he doesn't want to stop hitting the money button over and over and over again. Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense, one hundred percent. Once you find your niche

and then the money starts coming in, why change anything. And I'm sure he got tons of money from Fizer from pushing that. And the thing that was surprising to me when they were starting to give burgers and marijuana and all these different things away if you get a vaccination. Some places we're giving one hundred dollars gift cards. And if you have something you know that is so powerful, that works so good, you don't need any gimmicks to give something

away. If it works that good, that that's when people should have really seen the red flag. When you know the mayor of New York City sitting there saying, oh, you get a free cheeseburger with fries and a coke if you get the vaccine. Just think about how you're saving your life and you're having a good meal, and just the fraud. And to me again, the violation of the Nurveber code they violated. If you sit down and read the Nurnberg code they violated. And again we're just moving on with life.

But hey, that's just me. And I feel like my BS meter is pretty good. And my BS meter was going on. It was through the roof so and then the second thing I wanted to talk about was and this is kind of interesting, especially when you think about you know, politics, Ivory League celebrity, not celebrities, but Ivy League figures, important figures you know, like Janet Yellen, Ben Bernanke think people like that. So this was presented to me by a book that I read, and the series

of books is Jim Records. His first one was Currency Wars, I highly recommended for for anybody. In his series, he's got like four or five books that talk about, you know, how currency works and money works and things like that. But let's use Janet, Janet Yellen and Ben Branaki as an example. These two people, unless they're in the same room together i Q wise and schooling wise, there is nobody smarter in the room than those

people, than that particular person, and they know it. So think about somebody who's always been the smartest in their class, went to the most prestigious schools, climbed to the highest ranks of their discipline, and now they're running the FED or you know whatever agency they're running. So again, they're the smartest person in the room, highest credentials, accolades to the to the very tip of the pyramid. There's no way, there's no way that they're ever

going to admit they're wrong. Ever. No, Yeah, and there's certainly no way they're ever going to let somebody like Trump prove them wrong. You're you're a thousand per sent right now. People in power will say, you know, well, if they ever want to make apologize for something that sai, we were wrong. Like when Bill Clinton apologized to the MK Ultra victims back in nineteen ninety five, he you know, he was apologizing for what

went on way back in the nineteen fifties and sixties. So he was apologizing on behalf of the monsters who were running things back then. But he could sure that it wasn't going on today. And then you see people like Al Roker glitch out on TV and anyway. But it's if they do apologize for their mistakes, it's they'll they'll use it under the guise of we like, we all made the mistakes. But yeah, you'll never ever hear anybody like a Fauci or a Yelling or a Bernaki come out and say I was wrong.

You've got a better chance of a unicorn shooting out of your oven at dinner tonight. And and also, and you know, I use those two as examples, but it could be anybody, people's names that we don't even

know. It could be anybody in that profession. But it's one of those things where like they believe they're right because it's it's almost like an athlete who's been the best athlete ever, and then they get like it can never be their faults because they've been the best at what they've done and everything has been handled them on a silver platter, So how can it possibly you know, it's not even the realm of possibility that it could be them that's wrong.

And also, especially when you think about that, I'm gonna pick on Ben b Nanke and Janet yelling again in this instance, If all of that and maybe even Fauci, if all of your studying and everything that you've done to get to the very tip of the iceberg or the tip at the top of the mountain of your discipline, if you've found a crack in it, what

else would that invalid it? So it's almost like your brain can't even let that happen because then it's going to create crevices and break the whole foundation that that everything that you understand is even predicated on. And that goes as far as the current events is. You'll never hear Fiser connect the dots. Most most people can see what's going on and how they're trying to normalize the illness

and young people with heart conditions. Today we all see it, but you will never hear fiser because that'll be that'll be a crack on their product that they'll they'll stand on that hill to the day they die. Yeah. So I just I want to bring that up because it's it's kind of interesting because my whether it's my dad, my father in law, my wife, you know, different different people in my sphere. When they start saying, well, you know someone, so whether you know Ben BRANANKI was saying this,

I'm like, well, you know. At the same time, like they have to believe it. They really do, ironically, and this is verifiable. Who's the Greenspan? So, throughout his tenure as the FED president, talked about gold as being just a shiny rock that's worthless. However, his dissertation in grad school was about how gold had to be the central of any monetary policy, otherwise the monetary policy would collapse. So I think you can

find this on YouTube. Oh I forget, isn't the Tennessee Senator rand Paul. Rand Paul printed out his dissertation handed it to him one time when he was under oath and said do you still you know, did you write this? He said, yes, I did, and he goes, do you still believe it? He goes every word of it, But he would only admit that after he was no longer the FED chairman. So it's almost like when you're in the Fed chairman role, you have to play the role.

Oh for sure. I mean your answer directly to the rothschilds, you will not go against the grain against anything to say. By the way, what in the world was Janet Yellen doing in Ukraine? Yeah, I'm speechless of it. I know there's there's something so okay, so let's let's say add it's Antarctica, Southern Hemisphere, Ukraine. Those are the three mysteries that if we could just solve those three mysteries, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll have all the answers that we need. Yeah, for sure. And I guess

I have two more questions for you. One you kind of already answered, but i'd still just kind of I like to close them out that way. And you've been a tremendous guest, and you'd be a great guest for the fact on her as well, because I have a thousand more questions to ask you. But how has since you went down the flat earth the rabbit hole? Has that changed you at all? And if so, how it has?

I think I'm more at peace and I'll and again I'm not even sold on the flat earth, but it's one of those things where I do go back to proof of God or if if if not proof if that's the strongest word. It's like I've always believed in God, but it's it's if it's more likely than not that it's really real and your own personal salvation is within

your control and there's nothing really to worry about. It really isn't. And side story from that, I got to witness my aunt and my mom's mom my grandmother passed away in the last five years or so, and they were both very religious, both very Catholic, and it is pretty amazing to watch somebody who's so grounded in their faith, who's lived a long life except not even accept but welcome moving to the next realm. There was no fear,

there was no scared. It was just it was really an honor to watch that from a from a standpoint of somebody who lets let somebody who had their st together, you know, and spiritually, and it was it was pretty moving to see that. And and so to tie that into the flat earth, it's like, well, I can have that. Now that that's something I can have, I don't need to be an anxious person worried about all of these different things. I can just I can live in my world and

have my relationship with God. And you know, I don't know, so I don't know if that answers your question or not. So it honestly does. And that was very powerful. You said it was your aunt and who I'm sorry that you lost in the last five grandmother. Yeah, and I lost my father in twenty nineteen and he was the same way. And I always said that during twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, that people were so

afraid to die that they completely forgot how to live. And I think if more people were like you know, your aunt, my father, those type of people who just lived. And you know, if you're truly a Christian and you know what is on the other side, then we need to take the things that they You know, we're all human and we all have fears. You know, we're not superman, got it right, But at the

same time, don't ever, just think about the our forefathers. You think about all the strug that they went through, the wars they fought to give us the freedom at least that we think we have today that are on paper, and how they can take once again going full circle, how they can you know, weaponize something and completely change the world in just a matter of a few weeks. Really is what they did. Yeah, and I'll quote

the brave heart line. And my kids they can't stand anymore. They start tuning me out, or they don't tune me off, but they drowned me out. When I start doing I'm like, I go, sure, you can retreat now and live a long life, but on your deathbed, many many years from now, would you not give up every day in between now and then to come back to have your freedom? You know? Whatever the

line was. My kids are tired to hear me you say that, But at some point you have to be strong and stand up for what we've believe in a thousand percent. And before I ask you the last question, before I forget, because it's right in front of me, I'll have the link to this book Currency Wars The Making of the Next Global Crisis by Jane Records. It was a national best seller, and it really if you want to

learn about how Nixon imposed price controls and went off the gold standards. If you really want to find out how we got to where we are today, check out that book. It's available on audiobook, Kendall, paperback. It's get it and read it. It's just a great book. But I'll ask you the question that I try to close every podcast out with is how can we change the course of where we're going? You know, what can we do? And you can tie it into flat earth as well if you'd like,

But what changes can we make in our life? Wholesale changes to make things better for our children and the most important thing to get to the truth of all matters. Great question, and I'm probably not going to answer it directly because I wanted to mention this earlier in the in the in the podcast

when we were talking nobody wants to be told something. And if we go around as quote unquote truths and we're telling other people that our truth, and that implies that they're wrong, or we're awake and they're asleep, they're very negative positive things associated with that, And you're always going to get somebody on the defensive if you approach it like that. But I try to do it as if I can let the other person stumble into the facts on our own.

It's way more powerful than me telling them, because nobody wants to be told anything. And so the way I go about some of these things is by curious questions. And sometimes I'll call it playing dumb. It's not really playing dumb. But you can ask a question you already know the answer to and you can let them go get the answer. That's that's the way to do it. Then that was really well said. Was there anything else that you had that you wanted to mention before we closed? No, that was

it. I think we've covered all the stuff from my email. I enjoy the podcast, I enjoy your guests. I'm excited for some more of the stuff that comes in with flat Earth, because I mean, I am fascinated and highly curious and highly open to everything about it. And tomorrow we will have David Weisson and there'll be on audio and videos, so you'll get to see a lot of those type of questions. And I will bring up about the sun moving in the southern hemisphere, moving, needing to move faster.

I added that to the list while we were talking, so I'll bring that up to him tomorrow as well for him to opine great things awesome. Well, Joe, it's been an absolute pleasure. I want to thank you for the last ninety minutes. You've been a great guest and a lot of great insight, especially into what in our older years as we look back, two or twenty twenty is going to be one of those years that we'll remember. And I appreciate the insight that you delivered to both myself and my listeners and

ladies and gentlemen. Joe's email will be in the show description if you'd like to reach out if you had any questions for him and for myself. For Joe, thank you everybody for your continued support. Don't forget tomorrow night our episode David Weiss, and then we'll have another episode for you this Sunday for Joe. I'm George. Everybody, have a great rest of your week. God bless you and we will see you