Episode 79: Interview with John Kirwin

The following presentation is in thel Marvel Studios Production. Welcome back, fact hunters and fellow truth seekers from around the world. We have a very very special podcast for you today. We're going to skip the housekeeping and jump right into it. His name is John Kirwin, and he's author of the new book, The Conspiracy Theorists Survival Guide, a guide book for persecuted Truthers. And

I know we have had these conversations during our many interviews. John has served in both full and part time ministry as a worship leader and pastor for over thirty years. He is the founder of Wake Up or Else PMA, which is eight c one online Christian fellowship for the Truther community. He has close

to five thousand subscribers and over one hundred thousand hours worth of views. And remember, folks, as always his links, YouTube, Rumble, his website, email, Twitter, all that information and most importantly the link to his book on Amazon, which just came out May fourth. I guess it's three months old today, and I'm sure you guys will support it. It's a great message and he has been providing insight into the truther's journey since twenty seventeen.

Please help me. Welcome mister John Kirwin. John, how are you doing today? Hey, I'm doing great. Great to be with you, George. Looking forward to our conversation. Likewise, and congratulations on the book.

It is a subject that is much needed in the truth community. We had talked briefly before we hit the record button, and one of the most divisive times of my fifty four years on this earth was COVID and we literally saw family split and I told you how flat Earth can be a sensitive topic, etc. So this is a much needed book for the truth community. So before we get started, please go ahead and introduce yourself to the listening

audience. Yeah, this is great because I think this topic is a little different than you know, as Truthers were used to consuming a lot of the latest info on the matrix and how we're bamboozled and what the Central Planners are

up to. But I think there's a big part of our journey, which is the mental, emotional, spiritual impact of finding out about the matrix and then realizing your friends, your family don't know it, they don't want to know it, and they don't want you to know it, and this sets up some very difficult almost irreconcilable differences that have caused a lot of us challenges.

I think the problem is pretty much universal. So this is this is a really important topic for us as humans, and you know, managing our our emotional state, it's really challenging. One hundred percent. Would you mind sharing your journey to the truth with the listeners? Yeah, of course. I guess was about twenty seventeen, and I was just like everybody else, was happily married, at four kids. We were doing life at that time. I was a pattern day trader and so being in and around financial stuff,

I found out that the Federal Reserve wasn't federal. That was sort of my entry point. So I realized it was obviously fake and they were doing it on purpose, you know, like Federal Reserve is not federal, but our federal express I mean, but this was like a white building in Washington, and obviously it dawned on me that this was purposely fake. And looking

back, it's almost embarrassing now how obvious these things are. But I think you'll understand we all have to start somewhere because we're just sailing along, you know, we're all normies. We're minding our own business. And it's sort of like God sneaks up behind us and taps us on the shoulder and he

says, you, who did you notice that that's fake? Because why did it take my entire life to find out you know that the boats don't go over the curve or the lunder Lander looks like it's made of cardboard and curtain rods. Why did it take me my entire adult life to figure that out. It's a mystery, but that's the entry point that many of us come

to. At some point we discovered there's this one glitch in the matrix, like when Neo saw the black Cat and it glitched out, and and it's at that moment that we ask the question, well, if that's not true, what else isn't true? Now I've found I said that to myself. But as I've talked to so many people over the last six years, I've talked to hundreds of people, and your listeners are probably resonating right now,

they're saying, yeah, yeah, I've said that too. You start to question for the first time in some way everything, and that is when you when you are converted, if I could say it that way, that's when the normy becomes the truther when they begin to ask that's not true? What else isn't true? Right? Right? So that that's my genesis of you

know, this journey that we're all on. It's and again, it's such an important subject and it resonates with so many people because I can't tell you that the number of times I would go down a rabbit hole just I'm pulling something out of the hat here, Like you know, Larry was it Larry Silverstein? The guy who just happened to get to take control of the Twin Towers in June of two thousand and one and just happened to take out billions

of dollars of insurance. And you find that and as the truth or somebody who's seeking knowledge, you want to share that, and you just with people who are not receptive. And I think you actually have a chapter that that's entitled I'd rather not see, thank you. Whether it's cognitive dissonance or people just don't want to take the red pill. They're comfortable in their life and they don't want it to be turned upside down, which I've said many times

in my personal journey, certain rabbit holes I've gone down. It has and I've spent days and sometimes weeks walking around in circles with my hands on my head saying what in the world it has you know, how have I not seen this? And again, if that is a lie, then everything else must be a lie. Yes, exactly. And there's so many factors.

It's really not one thing that keeps us asleep. It's subliminal programming. It's modeling in the media of talking heads, chemicals in the food, in the air and the water of course, trauma based mind control, all the Cavist stock stuff, and it's pride, demonic spirits, curses from God. The Second Thessalonians, Chapter two curse says that God sends delusion on those that are

willfully ignorant. And then there's peer pressure and the herd mentality, and you know, because the humans are very tribal, so if you come to them with a conspiracy theory topic, just pick one. It doesn't matter. It's not that you're just trying to get them to accept your worldview. You're asking them to leave their tribe, which is a huge ask, right, It's a big ask. So, but the one that really I think controls a lot of us is the it's what's called the reticular activation center. It's a

part of our brain that filters out everything that's inconsistent with our paradigms. So, for instance, the single mom sleeping in a noisy New York apartment. Okay, the baby's right across from her in the room, but outside are very loud car horns and sirens, and she can sleep right through that. But as soon as the baby makes a little noise, she wakes up. Her brain wakes her up. And that's because that brain, the brain let

that signal true. So until you start to question the matrix, like the Truman Show is the greatest example of this waking up process, you're not going to see it even when it's shown to you, which is what we're all astonished at. How However, calcitrant and just blind the people are. They're they're absolutely stubborn, no amount of incredible proof. You know, I call it what I call the shock and awe approach. Well, surely if I give them twenty examples, they'll they'll see it. Nope, Nope. It's

funny you talk about the Truman Show. In Hollywood, we talk about lies in the media and truth in the Hollywood. Truth in Hollywood, excuse me, and I imagine the mockery and just the folks at the top of the food chain sitting back and laughing at us. As as I always say, we pay for our own end doctrination, whether it be through the movies or

through our cable television bill. We pay for our own indoctrination. And then even Hollywood people don't There's many people out there who don't even understand the term holly wood is something that is used to place like curses or spells on people.

Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that because these things that we see when we see like I'll use the Lunar Lander as an example, when I was shown that it only took me about five minutes after you know, living my entire adult life like age fifty five, believing that when I saw it, I saw how absolutely ridiculous this thing looks like it's made of cardboard, the

cardboards buckling, it's got like it's kurtain rods. There's scotch tape on the thing going down, and I'm thinking, this is this is so obviously not a spacecraft that they almost had to have done this on purpose. And I believe that's part of the incantations. You mentioned incantations like a pinch of a dead man's grave and a pinch of bat wing right in their in their formula.

So what they do in these deceptions, I believe is they put obvious clues into the fakery, so that if you'll accept those, that sort of gives the demons permission to sort of enslave your volition, your mind, then we become assimilated. Like the board, it's a it's a, it's a. The matrix has a naturalistic component, but it definitely has a metaphysical component for sure. Um kind of leaning towards your book, I love how you open it up. You simply say this book is for those who can see.

And the one question that many of us have once we get on this side, we take the red pill. And maybe we're a bit hypocritical at first because we're new to the truth. But the big question that you ask

is why can't people see? And again, there's many reasons for it that we've discussed, but one of the big problems that you address in the book is, I guess, once you can see, for lack of better words, it does bring a sense of freedom to people, right and it brings a lot of people closer to God, but it does throw another wrench in people's life, specifically when people within relationships don't see eye to eye, when you have one a spouse who is awake and can see and another one who

not only doesn't, but like gets irritated when somebody brings that up. And I'm sure there's a ton of people listening right now that are going through that one hundred percent. I think everybody knows, like when you're a normy, you know what conspiracy theory is how they're treated. In fact, in that very first page or two, I mentioned a passage from the Book of Leviticus that talks about how God told them the lepers had to cry out unclean,

uncleaned, so nobody would come near them. And so the Central planners have been excellent at programming this type of viewpoint with the term conspiracy theorist, which is a nineteen sixty seven bulletin that went out by the CIA that had these different talking points to try to quell the folks that were questioning the JFK assassination. And of course that's where this term conspiracy theorist was introduced, and it's

a character assassination term. It's designed to shame you into silence. It means a lot of things. It means, well, if I say, well, that's a conspiracy theory, what that means is, I don't believe what you're saying is true. I believe you should be ashamed for even bringing it up, because only crazy people talk about those things, and I don't want you to ever bring it up again. It's all of those things that are

wrapped up in this term. So if you're confronted with becoming one of those people, it doesn't take much effort to realize, you know what you would be getting into. You're basically going to invite persecution. So a lot of people know that and they just are like, no, thanks, Yeah, And that is certainly a very frustrating thing and something that many of us deal with. I want to talk a little bit about the controllers. We use

different terms. Controllers is one of them. They listen, they do have technology that is pretty amazing, even simple things like WiFi, something that we couldn't even have fathoms and like say the eighties, and other types of technology. But I think their most powerful weapon. And I could go on and on about it, but it's simple, and Satan is the master of it. And that's deceit, and that goes into the most of the rabbit holes. It's mostly about deceit and to keep us, I guess, in control,

for them to control us. You know where I'm getting at. Yeah, yeah, so, but just formulated question, give me, give me a little bit more to so I can respond like you want me to. So the world, the controllers, the folks that are actually behind this, and whether you want to say it's the Rothchilds or Rockefellers, they use all these weapons, whether it's COVID, the moon landing, all these lists, all the conspiracies. I think for two reasons for population control. I do

think the very first general order, whatever you want to call it. On the Georgia guidestones. You can look at the vaccines. They're all to keep population control down. But the second most important, this is a war of good against evil, and I think their most powerful tool out of all of

them is deceit. And you can look into the Bible where Satan, you know, tempted Jesus for forty days and forty nights in the desert and he even said you can have all this, So I think that lends credence to the fact that this is Satan's realm, and just kind of nodding to the fact that I think how important deceit is to these people to use as a tool of control. Excellent, Okay, now, now I understand where you're going, all right, So yes, I've noticed that they go to great

lengths to get us to participate. They can't do They're not all powerful. Satan is not all powerful and has emissaries on Earth are not all powerful,

so they do have to use deceit coercion to get us to participate. So a good example is the mask mandates were only possible because of acquiescence, because people went all right, and and so this whole move towards what has talked about in the Book of Revelation, that the new world order, the one world system where the economic, religious, infinity acial systems or government, political, economic, and religious systems are all combined. We see that uncloaking require

deception to pull it off. And you saw this with the League of Nations back in the time when they tried to roll out the League of Nations. Many of the churches at that time were speaking, they were into eschatology, so they talked about end times stuff, and because of that, the population saught for what it was and rejected it. And so you know, my lane that I'm in is I've been providing a biblical analysis of the Mandel effect

for the last six years. That's what I do, some sort of a one trick pony, and I go off into other stuff, of course, but so I'm very keyed into the path that the church is on with deceit with truth, and so now it's kind of all it's raining red pills. But yeah, it's somehow the church leaders are among the most normally in their responses. Um. Yeah, that I have ever seen. Very strange,

it is, and that is a very common. Um. I guess complaint that I get in emails and when we bring our listeners on for interviews is um, I guess how they look in many cases in Genesis, you know, the description of Genesis, how that they're willing to accept a burning bush was talking but not maybe biblical cosmology and the art story and things like that.

Right, the Bible is absolutely a supernatural book. It's a it's a it's a chronicling of God's supernatural interactions with man, and people claim to believe it, but then when these supernatural things happen, like Mandel effect is a beauty, it's a it's a phenomenon, they slept it off like it's you know, crazy stuff. So the deception piece, though, is really an important piece because it's the centerpiece of our conflict with our friends and family.

In other words, we're coming to them with notebooks filled with facts and truth. If you look it up in the dictionary, it means things that are factual. And what is factual in the dictionary, it's things that are obvious. And so if you bring these observations, which many of us feel are very obvious, the problem that we discover with our friends and family is that they don't It's not that they don't know, okay, it's they don't want to know. They love their happy life. That's what I call it.

And this is a buzz kill. All of our little discoveries that we traffick in mostly are bad news. And then they don't want that disruption. So I've been told I don't know and I don't want to know. Well that that leaves the truther with their nerve endings hanging out, because now you're you're all worked up, right, because your whole world has shifted underneath you. Like the Truman Show guy he finds out his wife's an actress or his fiance

and the whole city that lives in is a TV studio. It would be unimaginable for him to find that out and then just go right back to living his life the way he had, right. So the Truther this, listening to this is ruined for life as usual. So I started telling my wife. I said, Honey, I got off the bus. Okay, I can't. I can't do life like you're doing it anymore. And she she couldn't comprehend that paradigm shift that I'd gone through. And this is another thing,

and I'm sure your listeners can relate to this one. Normans have as much compassion for you as if they found out you were a pedophile. Right. It goes from the idea that they don't know, and they don't want to know, so they don't ask me anymore, how are you doing because they don't want me to. They don't want to open up any doors where I might start talking about something crazy. Yes, So it's very isolating, you know, if you're a Truther, you're probably walking the lonely road,

no question. And I used to be the guy at the parties. Everybody would gather on me and I'd make people laugh. Now I show up to the pool parties, people just disappear and walk up here it comes crazy uncle George. Yep, yep. And and it's very frustrating because we're right and they're wrong. Like being very direct about that. Yeah, you are correct, Truther. Congratulations, great job, You're awesome. Okay, because if you're taking it on the chin so much, and I just want to be

the voice of encouragement to you. You're not crazy. The things that you see, we all see them too. We're with you. You're not alone. Right, So you go into these environments though, where you are not only the only one that is questioning these things. The normy has what I call a death to truth or algorithm. It's part of the programming to strike out at you and use shaming techniques and attack factors to shut you up.

It's very universal and so it's very intimidating. If you go into these environments and you dare open your mouth about it, you're going to get not just difficult conversation, you're going to get attacks. So I get into those things in the book. It's broken up with the two sections. The first section part of the book is inside the mind of truthers, so it kind of breaks down what makes you tick. But the second part is inside the mind of normies, and it's like, why do they attack us? And you

know, how do you deal with their attacks? Yeah, because a lot of us have struggle. We really struggle with how to verus because they're intimidating. It's really hard. And speaking of attacks, the attack on Truthers, especially over the last three four years have escalated. I've been booted off PayPal, I've had YouTube channels obliterated, on and on and on. But I

always say, if you're catching flak, you're probably over the target. Indeed, And you know, the elites had to push back their timetable to twenty thirty because of people like us. It's people like us again, they're not all powerful and they have to get every wanted to go along, and so they are scared of the truth or community. They fight us because they're scared of us. So it's kind of like Mel Gibson in Braveheart when he was fighting. Yeah, I think it was the British or whatever, and the

girl goes, if you don't stop, they're going to kill you. And he had the greatest comeback. He said, all men die, but not all men live. And that's the perfect segue. That's exactly where I was going next. I'm looking right at it now, page thirty seven. All

men die, but not all men live. And that was important to me because that is something I started to say even publicly, like in twenty the end of twenty twenty one into twenty twenty two, I would go into a grocery store and still people would be wearing their masks, standing far apart from each other. Somebody sneezed people to jump behind the bananas like they were in combat. And I would often say, I was like, people are so

worried about dying that you have forgotten how to live. And so many people just took three years of their lives and just threw it away. Yep, yep. It was. It was incredible to stand back as a Truther because we're accused of living in fear a lot, excuse me. And then we watched all of the people follow Fauci and the voices on TV follow them right

into fear where they were all wearing their masks and lining up. And I had the same experience where people would get upset if you didn't social distance, and I refused to cooperate. I was always getting in trouble. You know, you're the perfect person to ask this question, because I got very upset about it. You being a pastor for as long as you have, how you felt when you saw all the pastors close their churches in twenty twenty.

Yeah, there was very few that didn't. I know, Rodney hard Brown down in Florida got arrested, and there was some other few, but it was a handful that stood up and said, hello, you know, God can heal us. Hello, We're not afraid of bugs. Like Psalm's ninety one, he that dwells in the secret place of the most pishal abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, he is my refuge and my fortress, my God, and whom I trust. Surely

the noise and pestilence and that will not come near me. Right, So all of that is we're being asked to abandon all of that and h and follow the white coat Freemason scientism guys into forcing us out of business, right, And they've got one pastor up in Canada. I can't remember his name, but they're they're about to put him in prison for ten years for incitement

because he refused to bow the knee. And so the pastors universally lined up behind the talking points of the plandemic, the scandemic and had shoes broken up. So there was you know, a tape, you know, one pew separating all the other pews. Everybody's massed up in their closure churches. And we're looking back as Christian truthers, and we're thinking, you know, maybe

one or two, but not ninety percent would bite down on this. But that's exactly what we saw, even with the vacts, which is even more egregious. Yeah, and by the way, let's press the pause button as truthers, and not to say I told you so, not to put it on them, but on us. Good job. Okay, this was validation extraordinaire. Okay, because we were you know, six years ago. When you become a truther, excuse me, you start to perceive the danger that's

you know, operating under the radar. So you know, now the red glove of tyranny has come off the velvet glove, right, But back then it was ridiculous to suggest that the people in charge weren't you dead right, So now we're telling that story and we're being told we're obsessed and we're crazy and shut up a house. And then but now you've seen this thing rolled out. It's basically, they operationalize theirugenics program and we're validated. We are,

we are totally vindicated. But don't expect any apologies because somehow they'll they'll spin it like, no, it's normal to talk about these things, of course, And and speaking of normalizing things, it's it's egregious how they're trying to normalize. Oh, twenty year old kids have been having heart attacks forever? What are you talking about? Wow? Isn't that amazing that this stats on that are so obvious? And yet again it's it's this whole idea that

you don't want to know. And actually, Jesus was asked what is the end days going to be like? And the one he keyed in on, out of all the things that Jesus could have pointed to to describe what the end days will be like, he said this, it will be like the days of Noah. They will be eating and drinking and given in marriage right up until the time the flood came. To think about that, he said, the normies will continue to be normies and they won't be able to tell

what's going on. I saw Got the other day. I was like, wow, that is a that is a truth or scripture. Right, there's powerful. If that's not a key for everybody to take their television to throw it out their window, I don't know what is right. One more question before I get back to your book and a word you coin, which is

very interesting, but we were just talking about the Truman Show. I often say that I think very little of our world is actually organic, and I'm including everything from pop culture to politics, to everything that's a part of us. Would you agree or how much of our society, our culture, of

our world is actually organic. When you see organic, you mean like not fake not Yeah, exactly, like everything from we are the world to hands across America to the elections, just just everything that is a part of our day to day society. That's a fascinating question. Excuse me, I just

need a little drink of water here. Yeah, no worries it's that time of here we are talking with By the way, John Kerwin, author of the book The Conspiracy Theorists Survival Guide, a guidebook for persecuted truthers that is available on Amazon and it is available on paperback and kindle, and the links will be in the show description. Make sure you go check that out and support John. Thank you. And that's a great question. This is something

that I've been really praying and thinking about in our community. In the truth or community, we are very suspicious generally, and I think sometimes we overthink or overcomplicate what we're seeing. So for instance, what I'll hear everybody's a shill. Anybody that's out in the public domain, especially high up in the power structure, if they're up there, they're a shill. Well, is that really true? Like how much of the people, like, for instance,

do you think JFK who was assassinated was a shill? Most people would say no, because they killed them. So that I point to that as an example of somebody that came out against the deep state and was actually an enemy of the deep state in a sense, and they killed them for so Having said that, it's very difficult for us as truthers unless you have a relative that's high up in the power structure giving you intel, or you have

military contexts. All we have are people like you, George, and then other people myself and different truth or journalists, and then we have to kind of triangulate. If I hear the same thing from four or five different people that I've listened to for years and I trust, then I can sort of form my worldview based on that. Right, But none of us really know, George, how absolutely bizarre and deceived we are. I think it's more

to come exactly. That is an ongoing question that will continue to ask ourselves. For sure, you coin the term official dumb, which I really like it. You kind of mentioned if you started to question official dumb, do you and believe in conspiracy theories? And you're probably walking a lonely road, and you touch on that phrase a bit in your book and you talk about how it's cast a spell, and could you kind of elaborate on how you

believe official dumb has cast a spell? Yes, And it was during the conversation I had with one of my kids and they said, Dad, I wish you were just normal, and maybe some of your listeners have had that told to them in different ways as well. And so after the conversation, I went and I looked up what the term normal means, and what it means is conforming to a standard, usual, typical expectant, and I was

like, Wow, that's really telling. But when I looked up the term conform, then I realized this was probably one of the greatest revelations that I got in my research over the last six years. Is the definition of normal or to conform, it means to comply with the rules. So when you become a truther, what are you doing? You're starting to question the rules.

You're starting to question the official story, the officialdom, the narrative that's coming out of the media, and the pharmaceutical industry and the military industrial complex. All of that messaging is all controlled. And so when you start to question that, then your friends and family see you as having fallen in with

a bad crowd. They see you as going rogue or becoming like criminal, almost especially if you're like me. I've become an American state national, We've reputated our fourteenth Amendment status, and those are those are things that the normy just freaks out about. I mean, they just think you have gone off the rails, and so that whole spin where they try to create this atmosphere of decorum and respect, where you kind of brainwashed into passivity, where you

stop questioning, well, hate or love Trump. One of the things that I saw him do, which I had never seen in my life, was he came out in these press conferences and he began to talk like we would talk, and he would confront them head on and say the most incredible things like like, you know, you're not very you're not your your ratings are extremely low, and you're not really honest, are you. No, no

real leader had ever done anything like that before. And what he did for millions of people is for the first time, he broke the spell that that officialdom spell that was cast where we saw these news people like in the press room or we're in a press conference, we saw them as legitimate. But after he devastated that that picture of them, we began to see them for what they really are, as highly trained operatives with an agenda to enslave humanity.

I mean, they all should be hung for treason. Yeah, we're in a war with an attractable enemy, and that's what truthers have realized, and then your spouse or your children and your friends, they're just fun, fun seasons in the sun. They're planning the next vacation. They're chasing the dollar and the next thrill ride. And you've gone from living on a on a cruise line, you're living on a battleship. Now you're on a war

footing. And you can't reconcile those two worldviews. They're opposite. Yeah, and I will tell you not to turn it into a Trump episode, but I had so many. I was on team Trump, and then some things he did were very positive. Some things he did as far as draining the swamp, was more questionable. And it's just this up and down thing. One thing I think we can all agree on is this country has certainly been hijacked. And I don't think it's anything new. I think it goes back

to nineteen thirteen. You know, the day they created the FED. What is it, December twenty third, nineteen thirteen. That was the beginning of the end of this country where we really you know, the rothschild say that I don't care who your president, It's as long as whoever controls the money it controls the country, and man, when you can't even make the interest payments, like we struggle to make our annual interest payments, and we're about

to get thirty three trillion dollars in debt. We're living in a wild, wild world, and it should be nice to have somebody at the top of the food chain address the real problems, which are the Federal Reserve getting rid of all and I mean all of the three letter agencies giving the Department of Education back to the States. We have so many problems, and it's like being in a car accident and the car's total. I think we're beyond reproach

as far as fixing it. I think you kind of read the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, and you know, if it's beyond reproach, you may have to start over. What are your thoughts on that? Indeed,

I mean even just to fall upon the Trump observation. I remember the night he announced his victory, and then right in that speech, his whole campaign was lock her up, talking about Hillary, and then he said, oh, well, she's not such a bad per really, So you know, a lot of us were hopeful because he did incredible things that no one had ever done. But then when he doubled down on the vacks. I mean for a lot of us, that was the last straw. That was

too much. So yeah, that was very disappointing. And then that I just saw mame today that said, you know, twenty seventeen, lock her up in twenty twenty and lock us up. Speaking to the lockdowns, you know, nobody's coming to save us. No, but manning these posts like myself, I mean, I've lost everything. I didn't mention this, but my wife divorced me after twenty four years of marriage four ten. I'm sorry. I was happily married and and it's over the last six years, I've

literally personally indirectly corresponded with probably close to two hundred people. I've interacting with thousands, tens of thousands, but two hundred directly that have told me they were divorced by their spouse because they're truth or now, as a word of encouragement, if you've gone through that, or if you're in a marriage that is vacuous and you're miles apart, ninety nine percent of the time, it's not you. Because I was questioning, man, am I just too mock

five of my hair on a fire. Is it just me? No? Because think about it? Does the truth? Third ever, go to the normy and say, if you don't talk to me about these crazy things, I can't have a relationship with you. Do we do that? Of course? Not? No, no, But what does happen? And I talk about this in chapter six is the three stages of rejection, And in the third stage, it gets to the point where you're given what I call shut

up or else orders. You're told I was told this by my wife and most of my kids, all of my kids in one way or another, Dad, if you talk about crazy things, I can't have a relationship with you. Well, when you find out about the Federal Reserve is in federal and you start turning over rocks, it's like everything's crazy. So I actually

made a list and it's in the book. It lists, Okay, because they don't tell you what crazy is like, they'll tell you I don't want to talk about crazy things, but they never tell you what they would consider crazy. Sort. I made a list and it's two pages and it's basically everything. It's everything. And so when you're when your friends and family tell you that, they're basically telling you that they don't want to have a relationship with you. Yeah, and that that that is tough. I've lost a

lot of friends, I will tell you that. But my immediately family, I'm very blessed. My wife is on board, and the rest of my family just tolerates it. I guess, and yeah, we've come to the mutual understanding. I don't bring it up, and uh, well it's a one sided deal. I guess. I don't bring it up and they're happy. I guess that's the deal, um, and so be it. Um.

Here we have the mantra. We leave breadcrumbs instead of trying to shove it down their throats, and I think that has been more successful for me when if it's there's something I want to share, I'll leave breadcrumbs and if they're motivated enough that it interests them, then they go down the rabbit hole themselves. Because I think it goes back to the old mantra. You can lead a horse to the water, but it's up to them to drink it.

Absolutely, and I advocate maintain what do whatever you have to do without compromising your integrity too much. To maintain your marriage and your friendships, you don't want to sacrifice that on the altar of truth unless you're forced into it where you're given that ultimatum. But the the what you're asked to do is basically to pretend that you believe like they do by being silent for the rest of your life. That's what you're required to do. And that's not something

that I would impose on my spouse. I would not require that of them, So it's very unfair. Truthers feel very misunderstood, definitely disrespected, and reject it. Those are the primary emotional states that we have to carry. I think the thing that frustrates us most as truthers is when we got to have a conversation with somebody. Let's just pull one out of the air. Let's say Oklahoma City, okay, and you try to explain to someone that

that was an inside job, the ATF was involved. People ninety five percent of people will blindly say you're crazy. But if you ask them questions about the incident itself, they can't answer any of the questions with zero knowledge. They'll defend nine to eleven, they'll defend Oklahoma City, and we could go

on and on and on. We have the facts. They don't even know one tenth of the story, even in many cases the actual propagated story by mainstream media, and that in itself when you and these are the people that champion scientism and listen to the you know, the people who have done all the studies. Most of the people who get behind a microphone, we've taken the time or to even you don't have to be behind a microphone to come

out and talk about these things. We've done the studies, we've done the research, but people still vehemently defend things without any knowledge of what they're defending. Of course, it's an absolutely universal and at the core of that what makes you tick Truther is integrity. Integrity is what drives you to be able to see and to want to see because human beings are given a conscience. Okay, it's the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other.

Don't do that, George, yeah, George, do it right. Yeah, So we all have that. It's an eight. It's automatic. So what happens is, let's say you're a Normy and I'll use the moon landing as a archetype of any conspiracy. Okay, moon you find out the moon landing is fake for the first time. The moment you see that and you come to that conclusion, your conscience is activated. Okay. In other words,

what you sense is that this is true. Okay, the fact that you've been lied to is a lie, and the fact that this is fake is true, and your conscience is bothered. Right, you're vexed by that. Okay now. But then what happens is then this aspect of integrity is then introduces itself. Integrity steps in and says, okay, well, what am I going to do with this? Because you can silence your conscience, or you can obey your conscience. You can go with the devil, or

you can go with a little angel. So what integrity says to you is, it doesn't matter where the truth takes me, because it's the truth. So you essentially honor truth above the consequences of going down that path. And so at the very core of the Normani's ideals are what I call the happy life. They value their happy life over the truth, and so they're willing

to basically have a true truth abortion. And so that's why when you go to them and you're like, look at this, look at this, and you just think you're gonna overwhelm them with facts, and they're gonna flip no, no because they're fending it off. I'll give you a perfect example.

All right. So if I'm home and I get a knock on the doors the police, and the police come and they say it's just your son so and so, Yes, okay, well we're here to arrest him for murder, and I would say what I would say, You've got the wrong house, all right, And then they give him a social media so they say, no, it's him, and I go, it's not him. There's no way, and they say, well, we have proof, okay, And this would be my response, I don't care what proof you have.

I know my son, and so you won't look at the proof, You'll say, I'll have to talk to him myself. So when you confronted with the moon landing being fake or whatever it is, what's coming up in your soul is that you would have to be really stupid to have been faked out

by that your whole life. So first of all, you've got to overcome your pride issue, and then you've got to overcome the fact that you're going to be persecuted because they're persecuting you, ye so they know, they know what they're going to get if they join your little posse, right, yea, yeah, So you know there's all of these all of these voices going off in their heads simultaneously that are the opposite of what integrity is telling them

to do. Follow your conscience, It's true, and you know it. And well I see that all the time when I'll sit down with a pastor and we'll talk about Bible changes, man, that'll effect and they get them all wrong. And then I can see that they're lying to themselves though, and they just don't care because they don't want to go there. Yeah, that's that's that's the key. They just don't want to go there. And that leads to something that's very personal to me. When I got to this,

this is something I wrestled with every day. I was a career soldier. Everyone in my family going back to the Civil War served the country, and most of us in combat as well. Um I was in during nine to eleven and I was in Iraq for fifty one months, I mean, four and a half years of my life over there, and many of us knew what was going on, and to this day, I'm shocked that that George W. Bush and his henchmen, you know, are free and we're

not held accountable. And we talk about the term patriot, and you talk about the term patriot in your book about a marine you knew, and I think the word patriot, and not to be insulted to anyone, but you know, there's people on social media who called themselves patriots for for tweeting certain things or for putting out maims, and people give themselves digital purple hearts.

You know, I'm trying to put this the right way. We all know that, Okay, So I think it's important that we have a military. I'll succede to that, whether it's it's militias or whatever. Otherwise I guess we'd all be speaking Mandarin or Russian. However, the people at the top of the food chain and what this country has been used for going back to

World War One, I guess would be the proper date. And again, not to go off lane here, but I don't think if we didn't have the Federal Reserve, we would have the funds for these world wars, so that it always goes back to the bankers. By the way, isn't that

funny? But I agree with you, whoever the military. Moreover, I think the people who run the military need to be put in the place, and I think we as society ourselves have to do a better job of holding these people accountable before we just go sending off our loved ones off to war. Okay, I rac should have never happened Afghanistan. We can go Vietnam, we can go Desert, we can go Korea, and we can even

debate about World War One. On World War two, both presidents Wilson and Roosevelt stood before the nation and said, hey, don't worry, your sons aren't going to go to war. And as soon as that election cycle happened, well, they created these little false flags and boom, off to war we went. So even as someone who was retired from the military, and as soon as I retired, I took I went down the rabbit holes because

I said, I knew there was something wrong with nine to eleven. I knew the war in Iraq was unjust, and I lived in the military. With my moral compass, I can still sleep at night. But the thing I can't sleep at night with sometimes is the friends that I lost over there. And then you see where the country is today, and you think, why in the world did they Why were they sacrificed for this, for being told if you don't take a vaccine, you're going to lose your job.

And for where we are as a society today, that is what I wrestle with. Indeed, this is fascinating because you're the first person that I've actually talked to since I wrote the book. This particular chapter, this was a very difficult chapter to write because it's a very complicated issue. It's very vitriolic, and I try to go overboard in making certain that people understood the respect and the honor that I have for anybody that wears the uniform. And I

said, as long as man has lived, there's been war. So it's a very complicated subject. And really, until Christ returns, there's going to be war. So absolutely, how can you possibly enumerate all of the important contributions that military personnel and the institutions as a whole have contributed to society, Because God in the beginning instituted three institutions to order society, marriage, the

church, and government, and part of that is military. Having said that, though um, like I said, I based my position on the Emperor has no close idea where the kid refuses to go along with everybody saying, oh yeah, the emperor has this beautiful robe and he's like hello, So what was what was your sense when you read that part? If you have you read that part, because I know you haven't read the whole book, but oh yeah, I've I've read that part, and I've I've talked about

it often. I don't hide to that fact. I've said often that patriotism is a hell of a drug. Manum people were lined up on September twelfth. I've buddies who were in in the recruiting business in September of two thousand and one. He said there was lines around the corner to join the military.

And then in retrospect, when you know that it was an inside job, you truly realize, going back to what I was saying earlier, how the controller's greatest weapon is to set and they know exactly how to manipulate our minds. Yeah, right, Like I'm if I'm in a fast food restaurant and I see the seventy eight year old guy with the hat on that says

he's a World War two veteran, I'm so conflicted. My heart breaks for him because, in other words, he's wearing that hat everywhere he goes because to him that what he did, his sacrifice, was the defining aspect of his entire life. So if you ask somebody what was the most important thing you ever did to him, it was in regima, it was you know,

what he did in the war. But but you know, at the same time, I know that all wars are bank or wars, and we've just been pressured into this belief that you know, what do you mean you don't support the troops. It's like blasphemy to express anything but undying devotion. And you get all tier eyed at the football game when they march out the latest recruits, and I'm like, stop, stop this. This is why

this is continuing. It goes back to the mask thing. We have to stop participating in the lies if we're going to push back the timetable, right, And that's something I put across often is we can beat them without firing a bullet. We just stopped participating in their games. Yes, walk away from their society. And I do want to hear more about what you had mentioned about the fourteenth Amendment and what you're doing there well, that's a whole,

you know. I remember saying when I found out the different things that I've come to find in this journey of six years. And I remember, like a three or four years ago, I think, I wonder what the next shoe to drop is. And I started finding out about this idea that the governments are corporations. Well I started looking it up. You can do it yourself. You would have done them Brad Street and look up your city,

your state, your county. Then you can look up everything from the district attorney's office, the court system, the police department, all the way down to the dog catcher. All of them are all of them haven't done in Bradstreet. Number they're all privately held for profit businesses. And that one revelation is enough to start you down this path. And so what that means is they're de facto governments. They're fake, they're pretending to be governments.

So the judge in your court case is an employee of a privately held for profit business. Okay, don't. I don't have a contract with you. You're not God, you're not my daddy, and I'm not your property. So what right do you have to tell me to do anything none. If you remove yourself, if you remove the contracts that you have been tricked into contracting with them with, then you remove their ability to boss you around.

So, for instance, if you go into a supermarket as a customer and you're pinching the grapefruits right, you're going to buy some fruit, and the manager walks over and says, George, I need you to go over here and sweep the floor and put those boxes in the back room, and you're like looking behind you, like, wait, are you talking to me?

He has no jurisdiction to tell you to do anything. However, if you had come there several weeks prior and said I'd like to work here, and you filled out their job application and we're hired, that was you agreeing to

be able to be bossed around. So if I'm pulled over on the side of the road by law enforcement, which now are not law enforcement, their police, their policy enforcers, then what happens is if I've done the process that I've gone through, I've extricated myself from the contracts with his agency, and he has as much jurisdiction over me as the manager in the supermarket has

over and a customer, and it's freedom. We have a process for becoming a legal non taxpayer with the individuals representing SATAN and this is a key right here. We won't have to go into this too much, but this is one of the things you hear. What do you mean the laws don't apply to you? Well, no, we don't believe that. But there is a difference between statutes and laws. So several Supreme Court cases like Flerndie v. State National says a code or statute is not a law Ray self versus

Ray Win. A code is not a law. So there's all these Supreme Court rulings that state very clearly a code, a policy is not a laws. So for instance, if I'm charged with improper lange change, I don't use my blinker, is there an injured party involved? No? No, no, And so Sharer v. Cullen says, for a crime to exist, there must be an injured party. So in the absence of an injured

party, under common law, there is no crime. So if you if you understand that that improper lane change citing is a code, it's not a law. I haven't broken the law. I've violated one of your company's policies. Okay, now having established that, then you what you find out and this is a brainwashing thing. This is hard for people to accept, is that statutes, codes, and rules apply to citizens of the corporation, not American state nationals or freemen. So yes, laws apply to me, but

like if there's an injured party, I have to make them whole. But your laws, your rules, the supermarket rules don't apply to me. I'm a customer. It's exactly the same colonial pipeline v Tregel statutes apply only to state created creatures known as corporations. Period. So what happens is when you're born, they create a corporation in your name, and they use your name in all capital letters. It's absolutely real and right. They get you to

stand in for that corporate fiction. And so it's this really weird kind of mental game they're playing. And what you have to learn to do is you have to learn to say, excuse me, excuse me, I'm not your little corporation. I'm a I'm a living person. And you have to start playing their word games and get out of it. And the key to this, because I studied for probably six years before I actually dove in and started taking action because I saw people get in trouble for you know, trying to

pick a fight with the structure. It's a big fight. Well, what happens is I heard again I say, don't act like a king until you are a king. That's my guy. Make sure you have your knowledge and your ducks in a row. Well, that's it. You First. What happens is a lot of people start to learn the lingo and they think that that's sufficient for them to uh, you know, try to exert their rights. But that what they don't realize is they're still contracted with that guy.

So the manager of the supermarket has every right to boss your own. Now, you can still get around it, but it's a lot harder. If you've got your paperwork done, then it's very peaceful and it's very easy, and it's very very free not to have to comply with all the stuff. And you know they're free. It's just it's incredible. It's not for the Truth Committee. It's nice to flush the parasite from your body, is what you're saying. Oh boy, um, let me ask you just to follow

up to that. I've looked into this a little bit. This isn't one of the subjects that I've gone very deep in. But does this tie back. I've heard this mentioned several times. Is the Organic Act of eighteen seventy one really what turned this country into a corporation? Yeah, they basically just mirrored it and they hijacked it. And so there's two of everything. There's the United States of America, which is the organic Constitution, and then there's

United States all caps. There's there's the United States post Office, and then there's the Postal Service through two different things. There's the IRS and then there's the Internal Revenue Service. They're not the same thing. So even in the court systems, there's two courts. At one time there were there were actually two courts. There was civil law and common law, and it was very arduous, so they basically combined them. So but they still are both in

operation. So when you if you go into court, let's say you're going to fight a speeding ticket or we'll use the improper lane change as an example. If I actually went in the court, which I probably wouldn't even get that far, but I if I did, I would go in as a plaintiff, not as a defendant, and I would immediately convene my own common law court in basically claim my status as a sovereign. This is what we've we've been brainwashed out of, you know, because they basically tag you with

three terms residence, citizen, and person. And all of those three terms don't mean what you think they mean. They're basically slave terms. And if you use them, then they got you like you're you're basically agreeing to their scam. And so you have to learn how to use the right terms. And but you have to have your documents to be able to show. Look, I'm not in your game anymore, and if you stop, if you keep messing with me, we're going to Title eighteen, which is deprivation of

rights under caller of law. So we just sue, you know, if we have to. We start writing toward claims because we're not playing and we still we're not in North Korea yet, we still have recourse, but not yet. What they're doing now with Trump, I mean, you know, I don't know if it's all stage or what, but it's just it's definitely lawfare is used on good people. We know that, oh one hundred percent, this is Bolshevik revolution type stuff that they're doing right now. For sure,

it's nuts. Why are true? There's willing to lose everything, and I think you covered it just now by the way, that's you're very passionate when you speak about that. Is that something you're considering for a book getting into the fourteenth and what we just talked about not a book, But I do training every Monday night with folks from my community on free conference call. I'm not really on YouTube or anything with that content just because I prefer not

to broadcast that. Sure I understood stuff, but I'm helping a bunch of people that have gone with me into that. I even started a done with you outreach where folks get unlimited access to me until their process is done for you know, a donation because some people just don't have a lot of time.

And that's a lot of a lot of fun for me. I'm having more fun with that because the enslavement on the front where you're a corporate citizen, so it is so binding, it's so destructive, like what they're going to do with with the irs now, it's going to be devastated to people. Where As of January, everything over six hundred dollars will have to be reported on your income that's of a garage sale, right, eBay sale whatever. I mean, like they're just gonna do with death by a thousand cuts.

And then there's seventy six or eighty four thousand IRS agents. We verified the classified ads on that were legitimate. So it's said they had to be willing to wear a firearm to their audits. So what does that tell you? Jeez? Right, So my point is that many people are hesitant to jump into this, But my point is that's the very reason to do it, okay, because you're going to be a harder target. You're gonna start to get some legal hacks on your belt. You're gonna have some documentation that

is going to make you outside their jurisdiction. You're going to learn how to do a toward claim, You're going to learn how to file an administrative process where you are requiring them to verify, and all these different things that we're learning. It's the legal education movement, and it's fascinating and it's exciting because just like with you know, being an army, where you don't question anything,

we have not questioned any of that stuff. We've just believed it's all, you know, just the normal evolution of things in our country and bla, no, it's all like you said, how much of it is organic? None of it from have a stock. And you know, they infiltrated

the music industry back in the sixties. And then I don't know if you've ever read Dave mccowan's book Weird Scenes, where he talks about how everybody in the music scene in the nineteen sixties from the United States all came from this one small neighborhood in California, you know, all their pair of hills. I just talked Penny Shepherd about that. I thought the Penny Shepherd just about

a week ago and we talked about it. I can't remember it's the name of it, but it was, Yeah, it was a CIA hangout, and and what's the guy from the Doors and the Moms and the Papas and Monkeys, all these bands that we thought we were just organically came out of the you know, the hippie scene or whatever. No, they were all plants. They were all basically designed and put out there to shape and mold the narrative of sex, drugs, rock and roll too, you know,

make our civilization toxic. And it just you know, trying to bring us down. Yeah, Laurel Canyon. There you go. That's it, Laurel Canyon. And I don't know if you knew, but Jim Morrison's dad, George Morrison, h yeah, he responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Yeah, isn't that something I just thought? I thought, well, you know, you couldn't make this stuff up, man, No, if you gave it to a movie director that would laugh as into a back hair of

phase. It's just endless to the rabbit holes connections. And this is what's so frustrating for the truth or because you know, we have this stuff laid out in front of us and it is important. So this is another big problem with the Truther's journey is you you're told that this stuff is fake. Like, my kids basically are upset with me because they think that dad is a week com minded boob that was tricked by photoshop tricks and he broke up

the family. That's their perception of me. And then, and that's a horrible thing to have your kids think that of you, right, Yeah, But then what's even more horrible is that when I've tried to go to them as like, look, you know, honey, I'm not wrong. These are things that are real, and mom and Daddy just didn't agree. And you know, if you would see this as what it really is, you know maybe we can have a relationship. I don't want to talk about it.

So you're basically you're just you're put in this box that you're a nut job by your family, and then you're cut off from being able to try to fix it. That I know is universal, That is everybody's experience, and it's devastating because you feel totally helpless and powerless. Is then what do you do? Then, basically all you're left with is you have to sort of live and compromise because truthers have an urgency about these things, as they

should, sure, but you're not allowed to express that urgency. So you have to be completely silent with all your friends and family for the rest of your life if you want to be in their lives. It's a nightmare, it is. That's why I wrote the book. Nobody wants to live outside of their skin. Everybody wants to be theirselves. And you're right. Once you take that red pill, there's no going back and pretending it it doesn't exist. It's just impossible. I actually have a little anxiety about the book,

right. The book is written for truthers, but it's raining red pills, red pills now, and I'm afraid there aren't going to be any Norman He's left pretty soon. Oh no, there's still plenty out there, trust me. Look right now, they're they're going disclosure on the ET thing. I mean that is for whatever you think it has happened. I mean there's always four or five levels of truth, right, Yeah, but let's let's just say on the on the basic layman's terms, they've been denying this.

Officialdom has been denying this for all of our life. And now, for whatever reason, they are no longer denying. They are allowing the message to come out that we're in possession of what they call it organics or no biologicals. Yeah, that's what they're telling us now. Yeah, and it just so happened, I think to be. They had that hearing on the same day of the I think Biden Sun's trial. It's nothing to see here, more sleight of hand. They do that a lot. They try to,

yes, control the news cycle, for sure, Yep. A lot of news dumps Friday about five o'clock when there's some bad news they want to put out there because everybody's gone home and they just want to drink beer and they don't watch the news on Friday nights. A lot of manipulation in the media, for sure, but that one is more significant. The timing of the

disclosure. Now, we haven't actually had the aliens land on the White House long right, Independence Day hasn't happened quite yet, but do you buy the what do you call it, Operation Blue Beam? Gonna be happening one day of course. So so we're like watching that real time. They're unfolding this right now. So you had Tucker Carlson did a three Nights special three nights in a row where he talked about the fact that the government is now admitting

that they have quote off world technology. That's Tucker Carlson, that's mainstream news. He was still with Fox. And now you've got all these different sightings that are being released. And then now you have two or three of these really official sounded dudes, whoever, who whatever, and they're coming up with the Senate hearings and they're saying, yep, we have we are in possession of biologicals meaning they have bodies or body parts of aliens because they even said

are they human? And the guy said, no, they're not human. And then they have, you know, they're in possession of what they call off world technology. So they're totally announcing to the world that the whole et thing is real. That's huge. Now. The guy that started NASA came over from the Nazis von Braun right yep, Warner Broun Brown, Warner Brown Brown. Okay, So his secretary or one of his people in his satellite told us that what he told her was the last card to be played was

the alien invasion card. That's gonna be the big play. And it makes sense because what we see we've seen with the COVID raw out is that they they did operationalize their their thing that we've been hearing about, you know, for six seven years, and now they just went for it. And so all the cutting off the food, blowing up the food manufacturing plants something like one hundred and twenty now since January last year mysteriously have blown up. Three

of them had planes fly into them, the other ones blew up. No one's arrested, nothing, You never hear anything about it. Trains are crashing all over the place with chemical spills, you know, fires and all over in California, Canada. I mean, it's just so obvious what's really happening. The carry's running around as this anointed are. I mean, he's so creepy, it's beyond words, and he's telling us, oh, yeah,

we gotta shut the farms down. We can't have any farms because of the carbon footprint, you know, And I'm just like, I mean, at what point does humanity just say, you know, get the pitchforks. You know, I just feel like these people are going to kill us if we don't stop. Yeah, that would certainly be one of their last resorts. But they set it up over decades, and that's you know, the difference between your and I what we consider long term planning and what the controllers that

they control. They planned for generations ahead. You know, I planned for October, and I pat myself on the back if I'm planning that far out. If it's very interesting how they do that. Reagan, of course said if there would ever be an extraterrestrial event that would bring the world together. It's not exactly how he said it, but he had mentioned in a nutshell. If there would be an alien invasion, then the world would come together, right, kind of like a one world order. So yeah, they

always disclose, that's for sure. And speaking of that, what's interesting. Did you know John Kerry was an Antarctica the election day November twenty sixteen. Yep, A bunch of guys went there. Was a big Russian Catholic guy or the Orthodox Church guy went down there. Like why is the Russian Orthodox Church leader going to an Arctic right? And then I just heard Admiral Bird's

diary where he supposedly it's his diary from when he went down there. And they were flying and then all of a sudden their instruments went wiggy, and then all of a sudden it's warm, right, and then they're flying. Apparently they went into the inner Earth and they're flying, and then the spaceships

come up with naziing signeys on them. It's like a movie. And then they controls are free and they're just being you know, like a tractor beam grabs them and they go in there and they are ushered into this elevator thing and they go down fifty floors and they meet with the master. It's called I mean, it's just like a sci fi movie. Um so something you know, obviously with the Antarctic Treaty, and then you know, go,

you've got these two declassified government programs. One is called fish Bowl and one is called Operation um oh yeah, Dominic, thank you, thank you, thank you for being a Truther. Dominic means of the Lord's right. And then fish Bowl is the one that was underneath that or no, fish Bowl was first, and then Dominic, so it literally said fish Bowl of the Lord. Well, this is the program where they were shooting nuclear bombs up

into the atmosphere supposedly to test them. That's right. And this is of course when those of us that are flat earthers and believe there's a dome like the Bible says, they were trying they've discovered the dome and they were trying to blast a hole in it. That's one theory. Well, that's when they then created the Antarctic Treaty. All the governments of the world got in together and agreed on something and disallowed anybody from going down there. And of

course Bird supposedly went down there and came back with that story. And then he was on the TV show where you know, run by to watch people where they interviewed him and he told him what he saw. So there's definitely like probably the fallen angels are down there. Whatever you might believe about other races living down there, there's some wiggy stuff going on technology that the fallen

ones. I have a biblical worldview, so I go from Genesis six, where we are told that the sons of God made it with the saw that the women, the son daughters of men were fair, and they took whoever they chose, which sort of indicates that they're like, come here, you know, they didn't like court them. They just took the wives and then they gave birth to giants, and that whole narrative. It's really es central to the understanding anything. You can't properly under stand the Bible stories unless you

understand Genesis six is a supernatural thing. It's not the sons of seth okay, it's literally what it says, and you can't understand, you know, things like where God told the chilren visible to go in and wipe out these entire cities. Like the liberal college professors that want to prove there's no God will always start their first day of class out with that story. If God's

good, why did he? What? Is he a genocidal maniac? No, No, you have to understand that the seed of the serpent had permeated the entire flock of people, and so there's this whole thing that's going on. Unless you understand that, you couldn't understand the flood, right. The whole narrative of the flood was that Noah was perfect in his genealogies. That's talking about the DNA, and so we have these incredible revelation that these fallen

angels came down here and then they gave birth to these giants. Apparently that's a big part of what's happening in the Ant article. It's that whole thing with the giants, and we're going to see them again, and the fallen angels are kind of like Marionette puppets running everything. It's just so crazy, it is, And that's interesting. We just had Gary Wayne on i think a week or two ago, and he wrote the book The Genesis sixth Conspiracy,

How secret societies and the descendants of giants planned to enslave humankind. It's an eight hundred page book. It's it's really interesting. He really he took you know what, Genesis six has twenty six verses and he turned it into an eight hundred page book. It's really incredible how he breaks everything down and just in line is how you did just now, right right. There's about eighteen different references to the giants. It's, of course the most popular one

or known one his day, David and Goliath. And then there was a guy that was I can't remember his name, but he had a fourteen foot bed, so it's in there, you know. And then of course Steve Quail and all his research and different people who have looked at the different writings of other civilizations. It's like the conquistadors came up against him, and a lot of people believe they're still living in certain parts of the world. Now.

Timothy Albarino went up to Perue and he went to this place. It was an outpost, was Catholic outpost, way down this road to nowhere, and he's got there and the next day there was a cow. Well, this thing came to him at night outside his window, and it was like speaking to him through his mind, you know, intellectually telepathy sure, and telling him you shouldn't be here blah blah blah, and then the next day when they woke up, there was a cow. This is his testimony,

like fifty feet up in a tree alive. So that's like, you know, I don't know, a couple of years ago he told that story. That's awesome. We're starting to I got about nine minutes left. I have two questions I want to ask you, and then we'll close to make sure everybody remembers your website, which is really cool. Wake up or else dot com. You're going to join us again next month and we're going to delve

really deep into the Mandela effect and it is real. Can you kind of give a synopsis of what we can look forward to next month with you? Yeah, this is a really mind bending event. I'm sure most of your subscribers are familiar with it. It's the experience where we have vivid memories of things, but they no longer exist in the way that we remember them. So the monopoly guy doesn't have a monocle and never has. Or Grand Central

Station is actually Grand Central term and it's always been that way. Or a mirror mirror on the wall was never mirror mirror on the wall in any version of any movie. It was always magic mirror, and you could try to slop it off at first, but once you really look into this, it's impossible to dismiss it as misremembering. It is a phenomenon, and so a lot of us saw these things in pop culture, names of movies, movie lines, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Houston, we have a

problem. All these very common things were changed, some of them changed and then changed back again. We call those flip flops. Like flintstones. We woke up one morning and now it was flintstones, no t Well, then six months later flipped back again. Same thing with tidy cats, Houston, we have a problem. And Chucky Cheese. Those are four flip flops.

So those are really hard to just dismiss as misremembering, because we have hundreds of thousands of people that actually observed it virtually real time, and we've made videos about it. I even have residual evidence from the Chucky Cheese change that proves I was in that other time stream, because I have information that I created during that first change when it changed to Chucky cheesus and now it's changed back again. So it's definitely happening. Well as a Christian, though I

didn't know this in the beginning. What I found out was the changes that are taking place to our reality include the Bible. This is a very big problem if you're a Bible believer, because first of all, it's like the foundation of our faith. Yeah, and the Bible seems to teach that it can't change because there's passages that say, thy word is forever settled in Heaven. One you know, a job or tittle won't pass away till you know, Heaven passes away. And Heaven hasn't passed away yet, So how could

it change. Well, what we what we had to do is say, okay, well, now I know theologians will hate this, but we were absolutely convinced that this was happening because we go into the Bible and there's all these things that aren't the way we remember them. I can give you tons of examples scriptures that we've vividly remember that I will never been in the Bible, just like mirror, mirror on the wall, I'm one hundred percent certain, monopoly guy, I'm I'm one hundred percent certain. Well, I'm one

hundred percent certain that judge not lest he be judged. Was in my King James Bible, and so as one hundred percent of every Christian I've ever asked. But it's never existed in any Bible, King James or otherwise. Another one is, which is really familiar. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away has never existed in the King James or any other Bible. It's now the Lord gave and the lords shall take away. That's what's in the King

James. That came from when I was doing your little online questioning. That was in there, right, yep. That was one of the questions I got. I got that wrong, and I'm like, what yep. But the Hardest Bible Quiz com and take the quiz. There's twenty questions there. Prove it to yourself. Could you say that again? It broke up when you said it. Yep. Hardest Bible Quiz dot Com. There you go.

It doesn't give you the results at the end, but you can keep track yourself and you'll it'll tell you right away once you answer if you got it right or wrong. And we typically I can go into any pastor's office and stump him ten out of ten, sometimes twenty out of twenty. Which is impossible. Okay, So my point is that what we had to do is we had to say, well, if this has happened, the Bible must not be teaching that it can't change, because God's not a liar.

That's the biggest problem that people have with it. Well, understand you, if you're a believer, you've watched the great titans of the faith, the president of the Bible College and the other president of the other Bible College debate Calvinism or the King James d'ely or whatever central doctrine. There have been people who are light years ahead of you debating another guy that's light years ahead of

you, and they couldn't agree. So it's fair to suggest that the entire body of Christ is misinterpreting the scriptures that they're relying on that says the Bible can't change, because it's really a dog more than it is a doctrine. And so you have many passages in the Bible that did seem to foretell this event with stunning detail, like Daniel seven twenty five speaks about the Antichrist being

able to change times and laws. And you have Revelation thirteen where God says in his word that he gives permission and power to the Antichrist to wage war against the saints and prevail against them. And there's other ones. And then Enoch in chapter eighty, verse two, describes the Mandel effect to the tea. He says, in that day all things on the earth will alter and they will be out of their time. You couldn't get any clear. And that's same if you read further. He says, the fruits of the earth

will be backwards. And if you look at bananas, bananas now grow up. Most people remember bunches of bananas facing down. And then he says this, and the moon will be out of its order. Well, now, when the moon is cresting, very often it's going on the underside. It's on the bottom, which if you look at NASA, I just looked it up the other day. The crescent is supposed to be north to south,

right on the west side, and then it's on the east side. Well, now you're looking up in the moon is at crescent is actually on the south side. So again Enoch nailed it. So it's true. Okay, it's really happening, and it includes the Bible. I'm sorry that your doctrine is being upended. But what I've discovered in my studies of this is this

is happening. However, there are a number of very orthodox Biblical doctrines and precedence or principles that allow this to be happening without an impugning God's good name in any way. Okay, God is not a liar. The Word is immutable, which means it will not change and it will come to pass. And so essentially we make a distinction. Listen very carefully. There's a difference between the term word of God and the term scripture. They are not the

same. So our church leaders have been sloppy with their doctrine. And the proof is you can if they're the same, we should be able to impose them. And I mean the same thing. So Gospel of John chapter one, in the beginning was the scripture, and the scripture was with God, and the scripture was God. Okay, that doesn't resonate, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. What it actually says is in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That's the centerpiece definition of what the word is. Verse fourteen, the word became flesh and dwelt among us. So what we're told in the Gospel of John chapter one is the Word is Jesus. The Word is a person embodied in the man's body. He came down to sacrifice himself for us. That doesn't change what was given to the original authors, the original autographs doesn't change. So if the sixth Commandment says thou shall not eat ice cream cones,

I don't care what it says. In the fact that thou shallt not murder is still in effect. It's immutable, okay. And the fact that it's going away, Yes, it's it's a nightmare, it's a it's a it creates biblical paradoxes that you know, you can't even wrap your head around. And it's a it's a judgment. It's supposed to be terrible, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Judgment is supposed to be terrible. Yeah, So that's my little synopsis on my What I focus on is this problem.

It's a big problem. Everybody's talking about it. It's interesting that, well, I don't know about that. It's funny why you were talking. I just put in Google when when I want to see how things are manipulated I go to Google. If I want to look for real information, I go to index or somewhere else. But if you go to Google and you just put in monopoly guy monocle, that the third picture says Mandela effect, and the guy on the right has a monocle, the guy on the left doesn't.

Right, So it is certainly out there. That that's for sure. That's that's interesting, it is fascinating, and my research indicates that there's millions of people now claiming this phenomena. I mean, you've got widespread or full spread articles in major like at least five major magazines, Popular Mechanics, Good house Keeping, those types of magazines. You've got two movies about it. Now, there's almost a hundred groups on Facebook, and of course across all

the social media there's channels dedicated to it. So it's whatever side of the controversy you fall on, it's real, it's not real. What you have to agree with is that there is a phenomenon. Okay, in other words, you suddenly have millions of people that are all struck with crazy, all of a sudden. No, that's never happened in history. So the phenomenon

is that people are claiming that they have vivid memories. Whether you try to rationalize that in some naturalistic way or not is irrelevant because the phenomenon is happening and we don't really know what it is that we're experiencing, right, you know, Paralo universe. It's an implanted thought. It's a shift of our consciousness. But what we know what it isn't It isn't misremembering, that's what we know. It's It's very fascinating. Pardon me, and I really look

forward to following that next month. Excuse me. It's wake Up or Else dot com. They're all the links there that you can get his book. There's resources, but there's also video, fellowships, et cetera. Before we I would like you to touch on your website for just a minute so people when they get there they know where to navigate too when the support mechanisms that you have in placed there. Yes. Super. Yeah. So right now

we're pretty much most of the contents on YouTube. Of course we're transitioning out to rumble, but if you want to see the trainings, there's teachings that I've done, you can go to YouTube. Just look up wake Up or Else all one word on YouTube. And then Monday nights at eight on free conference called dot com. You can get the schedule on wake up or Else dot com. I do a training on becoming a state National. Mondays at

two we have a fellowship for folks with addictions. And then Friday night we do a hangout on free conference called dot com just for truthers, so you don't have to be alone. So we've tried to create sort of a it's a Christian fellowship for the truth or community, and it's we do live streams and we do teachings. I'm about to release two more two more teachings. You try to keep them to maybe thirty forty five minutes in depth doctrinal thesis,

doctrinal stuff on how can this be possible? You know, it's just incredible. It's it's an incredibly disruptive event for Christianity and nobody's talking about it. It's incredible. I really appreciate you being so generous with your time. Again. The website is wake Up or Else dot com. The link to the Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, a guidebook for persecuted truthers. I will have all the links in the show description. I'll have Johnson. Are you still

using the Please Wake Up or else at gmail dot com. Yep, that's a great email. Okay, So that email will be in the show description as well. Folks, if you'd like to reach out to him or have him on your podcast, and we have a lot of podcasters who listen to the pits to the program, and I'd be glad to do that George if I can. This is all I do. I would love to do podcasts

with you. If you're interested, just definitely reach out. We can schedule that because I'm trying to get this word out, not so it's a book, but the whole Bible change thing, because I sensed a real strong destiny on that to alert people to it. As hard as of a story as it is, I think it's kind of like everybody, if you go to the doctor, you tell the doctor, Hey, doc, you know I can take it, tell me like it is. Yeah right, yeah.

Well, continued success with the book and I'm sure the audience will support it. And thank you so much for joining us, and we look forward to having you back in September and we'll deep dive into the butterfly effect. Excellent Mantel effect. Mentel effects. Sorry, yeah, that's a movie, right, Thank you, George. This was so great. I do appreciate it and look forward to coming back in September. As you said, and thank you guys for listening. It was great, great to meet with all of

you. Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you listeners. God bless each and every one of you and has always keep your head on a swivel. And until the next time, my friends, we will see you.