Episode 75: Interview w/ Gary Wayne - The Genesis 6 Conspiracy

Welcome back fact unners and truth seekers from around the world. It's time for a very special edition of our podcast. This evening, we have a very special guest, author of the book The Genesis Sixth Conspiracy, How secret Societies and the descendants of Giants plan to enslave humankind. Please help us welcome mister

Gary Wayne to the podcast. Gary, how are you doing tonight? I am doing very well and thank you for inviting me to your podcast and so much looking forward to the conversation tonight and it should be a lot of fun. And likewise, I've been down the rabbit hole for many many years.

We've been doing this podcast for several years. Lately as of laid over the last I guess six months to a year, the question about the Nephelim have become a big question within the truth community and their links to the secret societies and the things that are going on today. And we'll get on we'll get into all that, but very first, please enter doush yourself, your website and where can people find your books? Yeah, thank you for that.

So Yeah, I'm my name is Gary Wayne, and I'm what I would call a Christian contrarian and kind of what I mean by that is I tend to want to verify things for myself and not just take the word for what somebody is saying or what somebody says something says. So I want to make sure I have a good, strong, sort of structural basis for why I believe what I believe. And I think it's an approach that has taken me down a lot of rabbit holes, because if you want to know the questions,

you're going to go deep. I'm retired at this point. I'm fortunate enough to be in that position to be able to retire and do social media. I think there's a lot of questions that are out in the world where people want some dots connected and some other context. And I think that's a lot about what your show is all about. And I don't come at things from a that I'm a prophet or anything like that. I'm just a researcher.

So but I think what I try and bring to the table is is some common sense logic and some common sense research, and I think it helps explain a lot of things. So, you know, I started my research in this area and I didn't expect to be where I ended up in the first book in terms of how I wrote the book and where that ended up.

But I started my research in about nineteen eighty to eighty one, and I didn't start writing this book until the Genesis Sixth Conspiracy Part one until about nineteen ninety five nineteen ninety six, and I published it in about two thousand and fifteen. So there was a long journey there in terms of writing the

book, and actually the only one. I wanted to write a small book and because I know whether or not I could get published and with people buy the book, and people liked the book, and so I thought I would write a short little story about how giants might be connected to the end time because they could sort of keep showing up throughout the Bible, but somewhere along the road to the call, I'll see him. I got diverted because I have other interests as well. So I'm a strong mythology buff. I am

a strong history buff and those were my passions before prophecies. So when I got on this kick because I wanted to find out whether or not prophecy was legitimate. Because I had read a book by how Lindsay called The Late Great Clanet Earth that had scared the socks off in me. I decided to have to learn about the Bible again. And so when I was logging all the different prophecy narratives, you come to Genesis six and I'm going, I don't

know what that's all about. I don't want anything to do with it, but it just sort of keeps coming up, and so it sort of got me hooked, and as to how much information there is on it, and I saw the connections that were in my other passions and when I was younger, and so I thought, I'm going to put in a little bit of context about how other societies viewed the same set of events, whether it's Greek or Sumerian or Kishamayah, and just give people, particularly Christians of Labor,

that they're talking about the same events, but just through a polytheist lens and a different cultural lens. And then when I did that, I thought I had to give a little bit of context about the religion because it was all part of that organizational structure of those ancient cultures. And then when I did that, I learned about the mystery schools. And when I learned that,

I had to learn about the Secret Society. So learning all about the different religions around the world and going down the rabbit holes of the secret societies that took me down, you know, a whole there for you know, well over a decade, just trying to figure out how this sort of intermesh. So that's kind of my story, and that's where I ended up with The

Genesis sixth Conspiracy. And it's probably, I think the most unique book that's on the marketplace, and I think it from the response that I get from the audiences is that connects a lot of stuff. It makes sense of the world that we're in today, and for a lot of Christians, they say, for the first time, the Old Testament makes sense to me. So it's been a very satisfying experience and I just love to talk about it and

I just love to take questions on it. Well, it's incredible that the road was thirty four thirty five years from planning the seed in your mind in nineteen eighty one to actually being published in twenty sixteen. That's incredible in itself. And by the way, please, if you'd like to purchase the book or you want to learn more, go to Genesis six Conspiracy dot com. And that is Genesis the Number six conspiracy dot com, and don't worried about

having to scramble for a paper if you're driving to write it down. All of this information will be in the show description. They also have a great page that was put together on Facebook and I will put that in the show description as well. It's a great community and you can ask Gary questions the

community questions about the book. So if your answers aren't or if your questions aren't answered here on this podcast where you have answers that kind of come to your mind as you're listening, I would highly encourage you, of course, to go to Gary's website Genesis sixth conspiracy dot com and also visit that Facebook page where you can discuss the Genesis sixth conspiracy. And also, Gary, why don't you let the audience know about the update on your upcoming part two?

Yeah. One of the things that came out of writing the first book was that Christians wanted to know more of what's in the Bible about prehistory because

people in churches aren't taught prehistory or prophecy. So Part two is specifically targeted at Christians and taking them down the rabbit hole, so to speak within the Bible as to how much information is actually there about the giants and the different kinds of giants and the hybrid giants, and how that rolled over into the time of the Exodus, and how that affects the understanding for end time prophecy

because all the terms and the context is there in the prehistory. And I also get into this sort of angelic hierarchy, both the loyal and the rebellious, and get into the Council of the Gods and lay down a patch framework for understanding end time biblical chronology, which comes forward in the latter parts of the book. And so the subtitle to the second book is called how Understanding

Prehistory and Giants helps to define End Time Prophecy. So this one goes very deep into what's in the Bible and provide I think it's an absolutely unique book. That is I've that I'm putting out and there will be nothing else like it on the market, and I think people will be surprised as to how much information is in the Bible on this topic and how many different tribes there

are. It's just astounding. So it's yeah, it was an interesting journey to write this book and it'll be out in late August or early September. I'm not taking pre orders yet, but if people wanted to get a hold of me at this email address, it's Genesis sixth Conspiracy. That's Genesis six with the number six conspiracy again, so Genesis sixth Conspiracy Part two at gmail

dot com. You don't have to say anything on it. Just send me an email and I will send a notification when I get a firm release date and a firm ice and then provide the information on that email you're interested to

how you can purchase a copy. So it will be available on my website as well, and there will be a generous excerpt on all eighty four chapters in this one, so it's a little bit shorter than the first book, and it will also have links over to where it's also available like for the Kindle editions as as the first book has the links for on the buy now page and on the front page of the website and also to Barnes Andnoble dot

com, Amazon dot com and Amazon dot CAA. And if people will want a sign copy for the first book or the second book, you go to buy from the author on the buy now page and I've got a page for Canada, I've got a page for the US, and I got a page for overseas. So that's the easiest fastest way to get a hold of me and or my book if either one of those are the two things that you'd

like to do. Perfect Thanks for explaining that, And your email is Genesis six Conspiracy Part two if they wanted to reach out for the upcoming one at gmail dot com. Yes, yep, perfect up with that in the show description as well. And getting back to your first book, I'd like to ask you, I'm assuming for your research you used obviously the Bible, I don't know other than King James version, if used NIVESV obviously, I'm guessing

you probably used the Book of Enoch and Strong's Hebrew Concordances. Are other resources that you used in preparing your book? Yeah, the first book is a little bit different than the second book in that sort of aspect. For the first book, I used NIV. That's the sort of book I needed to get comfortable with terms of the language, so I used that one and it's a more i guess easily understood sort of writing than the King James version.

In the second book, I go to the King James version. I usually actually like six different Bibles, and I do take things back to Hebrew. But in the first book, what I do is I tend to use other sources for the etymology and accounting. So I like, I don't quote directly from Enoch in the first book, because when I'm talking about the various sides, whether it's the Biblical side or particularly the opposing views to the Christian perspective,

I like to let them speak in their own words. So Enoch is a very big part of the first book, but I'm using other authors and sources to quote it. In the second book, I go directly to the sources. So but it's it's done in a way that I want. I didn't want people in the first book to think I was manipulating what secret Society say on things, or other religions or other cultures say on things. So

I wanted to use their sources completely understood. And I wonder, did you have any folks from we'll use the term organized religion reach out to you and say you should only use Canaani's books doing this research. What are you doing using Enoch? And I guess I could apply to like Maccabees and Jubilees, etc. Oh yeah, I mean more afterwards than during, because I decided

I was writing the book the way I wanted to write it. And one of the things I tell people about my research is because I'm a Christian, is I measure everything I read outside of the Bible against what's in the Bible. So where it supports the Bible, I think, you know, that's good for contacts. If it directly opposes or strays away from what the Bible is, you know, I'll look at it, and I think for the record, depending on the point, people should know that this is what it

is said. But for my own particular sort of personal belief, I really rely on what's in the Bible as my measuring sticks. So and I clearly have a Christian biases. Great, now, let's kind of get into the

subject matter, and I guess the best place to start. The obvious place would I guess to be Genesis four, which says there were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bear children to them, the same become mighty men, which were of old men of renown and many people you know, going to church back in the day. That's just another

verse we read. You know, this was something that never were really brought to our attemption that you know, hey, Nephelum, you know we're giants. You know, we're interwoven with the daughters of God, and these the Nephelum were formed. Excuse me. And then of course we talk about the arc. So why don't you go ahead and get into a little bit about the nitty gritty of you know, this is the heart and soul of the

Genesis sixth conspiracy. That verse there, Yeah, that is the only creation story that is like a smoking gun verse for a creation story for giants. And what's interesting about the location of Genesis six one three four, it's in the preamble to the flood story, and so it's context for the flood story, and so you can't purse the flood story out of it. It's just

it just sort of flows. And Noah's commission he's introduced in the genealogies at the end of chapter five, and then his commission starts in you know, after Genesis six four, and it's totally intertwined. And this is the creation by the sons of God, which are an order of angels, could be multiple orders of angels, and opposing sides debate whether or not were they actually

setites or humans or were they really angels. And in the Old Testament it's really quite clear that these are angels, and job Books one and two you have Jobe one six and two one. You've got the sons of God who are being called to present themselves before the throne of God in heaven and they're accompanied by Satan. And so some people might say, well, that could have been humans that were presenting themselves before God. Well, you know,

we don't have that verse anywhere in the Bible that humans presented themselves. And some people might say, well, God's throne was on the earth and they presented Well, again, we don't get a passage on that. So but what was really sort of conclusive that makes this unique is is to thirty eight four through seven, where you have the morning Stars and the sons of God at present at the creation of everything, and this is before the rebellion,

and they are absolutely ecstatic about what's going on. And so humans were not there when the foundations of the earth were laid it just it makes no sense, and that the sons of God are the same as the sons of the Most High that's recorded in Psalms eighty two, which is the counsel of the Gods, and this is the council of the gods that are ruling the earth.

These are the rebellious angels. And it's the same language as what you're getting in Genesis six four, but instead of saying elohem, it's eli on the God Most High. But they're synonymous in the application you have throughout the Old Testament. You have the sons of God related with the morning stars as

we've talked about. You've got stars as understood as angels, and you have the angels, and those four terms are all used interchangeably throughout the Old Testament and in conjunction with the host of heaven, which is the Hebrew word saba, which means the army of heaven, which also implies rank and order.

And so when we look at what's going on in Genesis six one and four through that lens, and we understand that these aren't humans because you can't produce giants from a human meeting with a human, correct, and you can't produce a demi god with a human producing with a human and a demi god, as it's understood as a lower type of god and a demigod in Aletheism is the offspring of a god or a goddess and a human male or human female,

and they created from both sides of the equation demigods and giants in other cultures, and the exact same story that's being recounted in Genesis six. And what's going on here is is the creation of a hybrid angelic human race to enslave and try to ensure human kind does not reach their destiny to be resurrected in the future time to be like angels, and to judge the fallen angels

for the both the crimes against creation and the crimes against humanity. And so there's been this sort of war that's been going on that played out starting before the flood, again after the flood, and continues to this day and we'll continue until the end time. So context biblically is very very important to understand that the humans are the Adamites are the resolution to the angelic rebellion. It's

just that it is still playing out. So this is a story that's known all around the world about the creation of the giants by the gods, and so it has a common legacy not only to Christians, but to everybody else in the world. And it doesn't matter whether or not you go to Greece, where you have the Heroes and the Titans, and let's say Zeus as an offspring God produced through alchemy an individual named Hercules. You have Baal who's

creating the Raphaim after the flood. You have a goddess named nin with Lugubanda, king of a rook, who's going to produce a giant name Yolkamesh, and on and on and on and on, just to give a few random examples. And so this race almost succeeds very very quickly with the size of their power to ensure human kind will be wiped from the face of the earth to be remembered no more, just as attempted to do with the nation of

Israel after the flood. By the time God brings the flood, and the flood is designed to have a restart to give humankind more time to complete their their their missions. So the context is very very important and understanding that this is a common legacy around the world is also very very important, and that there will be a lot of different views as to what that means and what the outcome might be. Right, and we are very much in a spiritual

war now. I think even uh, since twenty twenty, the most normal of people who simply watch sports, go to the movies and work all day. I think even the most normal last person realized since twenty twenty that there there is a great evil amongst the earth. And that goes back to some I think common um, I guess misnomers of people. They think that Satan or Luciferum is a guy who who's hanging out, you know, whether it's Shiel or or Hell, the Lake of Fire. He's just down there waiting

for the souls to come in there. He's actively walking the earth today. And I always go back to when he m you know, he had he attempted Jesus for for forty days. And I always say, imagine, you know, Jesus, the most, the one and only perfect being to ever walk this earth, Imagine what he's doing to you and I yeah, and that he actually presented at temptation to you know, the word who became flesh. So this is a very powerful, persuasive individual, and he fell a

long ways. He's a unique he's unique amongst the gods and unique amongst the angels. He's described as and he has many different names, I think so. In Isaiah fourteen twelve it says hale L ben Skar for Lucifer, son of the Morning, as it's translated into King James version Bible, and hale elis probably likely one of his names and titles. Some people might say gad Real is another name, as he's called in the Book of Enoch, which

means the wall of God or God's wall. And so he probably had many names and titles, and probably at least seven, which would be kind of a standard at times for important kings and gods that they would have these these

many titles. And so he was a troubum in the book of Ezekiel because he's the one that's in Eden and he's an anointed cherubim there and he walks amongst the the fiery stones, and it's the seraphum who walk amongst the fiery stones, and Satan is also described as a dragon and a serpent, and a seraphum have a serpent face and six wings and work before the altar of God in the in the burning coals, and so he's part seraphum because he

walks amongst these burning coals. And he is probably the high priest before his fall, because he has these jewels that were on associated with him, just as you have the twelve jewels associated with the Levite priest order. And he was an archangel, and he probably had other titles and things as well.

This was the prized creation below the tripart nature of the godhood who decided to rebel, and he is he is absolutely unique, and he has power beyond our understanding, and he has a mission to win a realm on his own, to be away from God, just as he tried to raise his throne to heaven to be like God. And so the demigods are sort of part of the whole plan by Satan and his rebellious angels to lead human kind away from from their destiny and to justify their rebellion. So Satan is very very

unique, and he is real. And that name hell hell you're talking about living in hell, if we don't have an etymological link, that that means the god of Hell, and that's where the hell comes from. If that's what you would translate that as is the lake of fire or Shayol or hades Hell has been unfortunately conflated into or has a meaning that has several meanings conflated.

So the lake of Fire is a separate location from where the the Abyss or the pit prison is located, and the Abyss and Pitt prison is located in Shaol and the other world. And when it's got many different names Uh and Hades in Greek, so you've got different terms that have been conflated with

the English language, and it sort of helps to delineate that. But I always find it interesting that, you know, and that's spelled people are undering the spelling on that, that's h e y l e l. And typically angels names would end in el, like is Azel or Michael or Gabrielle. Yeah, it's funny we and this podcast we talk lies in the media,

truth in Hollywood. Many of the you know, people love their superhero movies, and it's funny that Superman's father's name was like Jararell or something like that. Yeah, House of El Darrel and darrel Son and and l is the chief god of the Canaanite panteon and Bayl is his offspring son who rules after the flood, and you have the Superman who's a hero. Just as the giants were called heroes in in Sunaria, they are called heroes in the Uguritic

texts. There are called heroes in Greek culture, and they are super because they are greater than the average human and the rafaim, which are in the Uguritic texts most of Luvian giants. They are looked upon as not only here but also as saviors. And so Superman is kind of this savior of the earth. And what's also interesting is is you have sort of the inverse relationship

of good versus evil depending on which side of the fence you're on. That's why you get this sort of tripart nature of the three Nemesis enemies of Superman or these three that are in this abysslike prison that escape that would represent the God of the Bible in this inverse relationship from my perspective, and one's a female and two are males. I mean, you couldn't get more obvious.

And that s on Superman is you know, kind of like a serpent like and you almost have Yeah, so the imagery is absolutely stark and superheroes are all based on prehistory, and so whether or not it is different kinds of superheroes. And when I talk about differ kinds, you have you know, like camera type of superheroes, and you have like a transhumanism with all of these technology sort of parts in it. But the bulk of the superheroes are

based on different characters and different kinds of Nephelim before the flood. And you can make a good argument that some of these are around after the flood as well. So you have you know, these these Dog Superman, right, You've got Wolverine and cartoon ones like Underdog, and there's a Google for dog like superheroes. There's a lot of them. And you have um this jackal god in the in the Bible that's called niebas that it means a barking god,

and it's worshiped by the Auvin, one of the giant tribes. After the flood, and you have a god that would be akin to that in Egypt named Anubis, who produced offspring demigod offspring, and so many of them that they lived in a city called Sinopolies. Notice that Sinopelles is sort of the term for the dog Methos, right, and so that means dog city

sinoopolies, and that's just sort of the tip of the icebergs. So you've got characters, you know, that are based on lion heroes, you know, like you know, have the lion King, for example, and you've got that movie with bast producing Black Panther, and Baste was a lion like goddess, and their gal in the Bible was a lion like um god of

Mesopotamia, and again a god of the Augene. And you get these lion like men that are produced in the Bible, the lion like men of Moa, and you get the lion like men of Gad, and you get the king named Ariok and the Giant Wars of Genesis fourteen. Ariok means a lion like and you get these lion like warriors on these reliefs in Egypt and in sum Area. So one presumes that there's a lion god that produced these demigods.

You've got like the Annunaki, for example, that are in sum Area, and they're depicted with these wings and they're doing this ritual around this sort of technology, or some people speculate as a technological tree of life then they've got these purses and they've got these point pine cones or crystals or whatever they're holding, but it's a ritual that's going on. Some of them are depicted with a face of a man, and some of them have a face of

a bird. And what's interesting about that is that you have the ten Goo gods in Southeast Asia, which were bird nephlam bird demigods. They were a warrior class and a ruling class and a priest class. And if you're google google ten Goo t E n g U, you're gonna get these images that

pop up. You also have in with the Keisha Maya, the with the Zibalba, they're an owl faced demigod, and they have one that is the caamazats Um branch of the Zibelba, and Camazots means bat, and so this was the house of the bat that was a separate sort of branch of the Zibelba. And if you google Camazots cma zot z, you're gonna get this outfit of batman and sort of on and on and on and on that these

are all spurious offspring of the rebellious Angelic quarter. And they looked a lot like their um they're they're pro creators, and so one shouldn't be surprised that there's a lot of serpentine superheroes as well. So when we get into the technology aspect, it's that chimera aspect that you have multiple different parts that are being woven in. That's part of the egypt the Egyptian and the Sumerian and

the Greek mythology. Uh. You know, a classic example of chimera type of king is in the epic of Gilgamesh Um for King Habbaba of the theater force of Mount Herman. I mean this is this is he's got so many different kinds of creatures that are woven into him. He has to be created in a little bit different kind of way. So when we look at the superhero this is a reflection of days of old when these superheroes were ruling the

earth. And most people don't seem to don't make that sort of connection, but it's you can you know, you could just sort of talk endlessly of how many cases that there are for the superheroes. So well said, and there's a few things I want to bounce off everything you just mentioned. First off, I've long said there's nothing organic about our world, including pop culture. There's reasons for everything that's put in front of us, whether it be

movies, cartoons, the news. Everything is done for a particular reason, to evoke a particular emotion, to conquer, to divide. Very rarely is there something organic in our culture? Would you agree with it? Yes, Yes, there's always a reference, there's always a history, and there's you know, once you dig into those kinds of things, you start to get a better understanding of what was and what is. So yeah, I would agree with that. Secondly, you speak of Lion King, did you ever

hear Bill Cooper's episode when he broke down the Lion King? I will send that to you after the show. I think it was ninety eight or ninety nine. Whenever he went and saw the movie, he completely broke it down. It was incredible how he broke that, don I'll send you the little audio clip of it. And then speaking of the epic of Gilgamesh. You know what's very interesting to me. I was in the military for a long

time. We crossed the berm from Kuwait into Iraq, I think it was March two thousand and three, and you started seeing the news starting to have these on all the websites, news releases about how the tomb of Gelgamesh or Gilgamesh's tomb was in Iraq, and there's obviously Iraq is a very very very historical place. It's where obviously where Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, that is where the Tigris and Euphrates meet. I've seen that particular area

and it is completely nothing like the rest of the desert. I've been in some places where the where the excuse me, the sand was like talcum powder and we called it moon dust. But that portion of where the Tigris and Euphrates, I don't know if you've ever been there, seen the pictures.

It's lush, green, it's amazing, but it's also and you know, after we crossed the Berm, you start to see all the stories they found the tomb of Gilgamesh, and I saw the Ziggurat of her a lot of historical items there, and I think there were obviously some nefarious reasons for going into Iraq, and a lot of it might have been for this occult ritual

type of stuff. Would you agree with that? I would, And you know, there's a release at the end of the Obama administration with a flood of you know, unclassified documents, and in there was a discovery of Gilgamesh's sarcophagus, So I think I think there was a lot of searching going on

for ancient technology. One of the things that seems to be the case that isn't really talked about and is sort of denied by modern society is that the technology that was before is probably greater than what we have today, and we're just catching up to that. So when we talk about guild Gamesh and the sarcophagus, there's speculation in terms of what people talk about in terms that the sarcophagi were used to heal themselves, to recover, or to stay in stasis,

as as some stateent. What we do know is is that these giants and people want to know what a giant is. I think Gilgamesh is a good example. It's not biblical, but it's in the Ugaritic text and its exact same as the Scenarian texts. And he was a eleven cubits tall and for cubits why, and he was the son of lugal Banda and a female fertility got us nin and he would be measured on a royal cubit and that was twenty one inches. That would make him nineteen feet tall and seven feet

wide. Good grief. This, yeah, good Grief is right because he was larger than the giants in the Covenant Land, and he was a dark haired giant, which is different than the giants again that were typically were in the Covenant Land, although in the Mount Herman and Syria region you would have the darker, darker hair giants in there as well. So there's an interesting thing with the Rafaem giants and Gilgamesh is is sixth generation after the flood.

There's a Gilgamesh before the flood as well, and that Gilgamesh was recorded in the Enoch Book of Giants, so it seems like this Gilgamesh received the same name as Gilgamesh before the flood, which is not an uncommon thing. So it can get a little bit confusing as you're trying to understand the chronology of when they're talking about Gilgamesh. But in this case, I think it's pretty

clear. There's two and the giants after the flood they're not quite as big and they're not quite as powerful and gifted as the ones before the flood, and they seem to have fertility issues. So you get this term in the King James version Bible called the Terrible Ones, and that's the Hebrew word rita, and the I am male plural like a nepheline or gibberin or seraphim drubing it would be air team. And you get all these descriptions of these terrible

ones, and two the meanings are fertility issues and childless. So um, that's interesting. That's going to require because it's going to require them reproducing with humans so that they don't go extinked after the flood, where the enough flum before the flood populated in in great numbers. And Rite is the root word for yuguryt and the ug for ugur. It seems to be the root word for Semitic for aug and in Hebrew it's uh uwg or owg rooted in uwg

which means route round and stout um. And so this seems to be the city of age, the terrible One, and he's the last of the Refaim after the flood. Now the Refaim, as recorded in the Uguritic tacks, we're savings. As we've talked about, there were kings, there were giants, and they were healers that they could in the Uguritic tech. It's not

only heal themselves, but they could heal others. And when you look at that word raffa for a postuluvian giant in the male ral rafaem, it's rooted in seventy four ninety five in the Strong's concordance, and that means a healer or a physician because it's it's as and as the word it has some meaning and connection to seventy four ninety seven, which is the word for rafaim giant,

and then seventy four ninety six. The one in between is a demon spirit, an evil spirit, shade, all those types of terms, which goes to the disembodied spirits of the giants after their bodies died. So you get this sort of relationship with this idea that they could heal themselves, either

through genetics or the sarcopha guy or ball both. Is a technology that certainly the government would be after, and if it had other powers that went with it, but just the technology that would go into that, and the other thing that's interesting as you connect into this is that the only way you could kill these giants and make sure they are going to stay dead, was to take their head so that when Goliath he takes five smooth stones with him,

not because he thinks he's gonna miss but he's prepared to take on the five kings of the Philistine Pentapolis. But he only has to deal with Goliath, who's from Gath and likely the king who as she will replace after Goliath is dead. That David is going to be taken in by because she's probably feel some sort of obligation or thankfulness to killing Goliath, so he could become king of Gath. Just my speculation on that part, but it goes to the

fact that he just didn't kill him with the sling shot. He went over there and grabbed Goliath's sword and took his head. And then the Egyptian Egyptian execration text, the worst thing that could happen to a royale a giant was

to have his head cut off. Interesting, you know what you were talking about being able to heal in all those traits very similar to the traits of the mayor of Virgians, right, yes, yes, And they were typically depicted as a Gilgamesh type of descriptions that pale skin but this dark hair and dark black beards, and so they probably take their genealogies back to the dark haired arians in terms of the giants after the flood, and that healing power

is part of that mythical power that they were said to have. And it's no real clear when those types of traits not being able to be reproduced as part of the natural progression of the DNA and the delustion, but if you kept those bloodlines as pure as possible, certainly the royal's downstream some of them may have had that type of healing power that the Meravanians claimed. And that's interesting, Gary, because if you look at the well we'll call them elites,

you know, Queen Elizabeth, Henry Kissinger. These people live to their very late nineties, into their you know, into the one hundreds in many cases like Kissinger, where folks like you and I, you know, we're excited if we hit eighty eighty two years old. And you know, my father was mid seventies when he passes. So I think there is something to and maybe that's part of the air quotes illumination, that they know things that we don't, that they withhold from us that gives them, you know,

an extra almost a full generation. Would you agree with that? Yeah? Yeah, they either have the ability with some technology or medication to extend their lives, or they have some sort of regentative power that still stays with them, that's passed through the genes, and they would sort of look at themselves as different kinds of of of genealogies. So in the first book, I talk about the gene of Isis, and that's that gene trait that is one

of the genes that giants and royals would take their genealogies back to. Another one might be the lb gens, and the lb Gens are more of the Western European gens and also known as the Elvin or the fairy gens as it's called within those societies, that they would have had some of those traits.

And the black nobility of of Italy, for example, would be the Julia gens, and they tracked their genealogies right back to their original patriarchal nephelim and their original godfathers and how pure that bloodline is and how a noble bloodline is

is where you fit in the hierarchy. So the Merovingians, they were considered the most ennoble bloodline, so they had psioned or grafted in bloodlines that at a purity level that was unmatched, even so much so it would intimidate the Catholic Church that they didn't take them on for a very long period of time, and that they seem to have these other mystical traits that they inherited as

well. So they were a very unique group of kings that many of the royals today like to track their genealogies back through and believing me, they tracked these genealogies. So Prince Charles or King Charles the Third is he's known today, was on record as taking his genealogy back to Glad the Impaler. I saw that. Yeah, and Glad the Impaler they took their bloodlines back to

the Agriphi tribe in Scythia that was produced by Hercules as the patriarch. So yeah, So it's important to them whether or not we believe in those genealogies or not. They do, and we need to be aware of that because it's what they do with their belief system that we should be concerned with. Well said chapter three of your book, and this is going to lead into

a listener question. The sons of God talk about God intervening against this perversion to the natural order of creation by restricting the lifespan of all forms of human kind to one hundred and twenty years, include the future posterity of the Falling Angels and the Nephelim. And our first question is one of our long time listeners, Ben and he says, how and why was man's life limited to one hundred and twenty years after Noah? And then he has a follow up.

He wants to know why did his son look different Enoch. He's referring to, Yeah, two two very good questions. So when you look at Noah, I think he's saying, Noah is uh, you know, look differently than the others, right, right? So he was a glowing baby, and they thought he was a child of the giants, and that shows up in the book of Enoch. And you know, their parents are so concerned that they're going to go to Enoch and say, is this not my

child, right or our child? And Enoch assures him that he is. But he's there for a special commission and he has so I guess, invested powers that would go with that to do that. So he's at least according to the Book of Enoch It gives the explanation. Whether or not people think that's accurate or not, that's a to them, but that's what the Book

of Enochs is. So now, in terms of the life being limited to one hundred and twenty years, that included humans and the fallen ones, and before that you would have the sentence of Adam living to great age like eight eight hundred years, right, nine hundred years right, So it wasn't just the giants whose age was going to be limited because they were given something that

was unique with that counterfeit spirit that was passed on to them. They also made your body's immortal, So not only did they have an immortal spirit, but they had an immortal body in the physical world that the humans didn't have, even though the humans were long lived. So God decides that he's going to limit all life two hundred and twenty years, and a lot of people think that that's the commission length of Noah, but it has nothing to do

with Noah. I mean, Noah's commission begins in you know, just after Genesis six four and when the sons are born, and when he gets on the arc is only one hundred years and I think the Bible would have accurate math, but that's just me. And but the languages you take that back to, Hebrew is clearly talking about you know, life and the life force one hundred and twenty years was designed not to have these demigods that could live

for millennial with the size that they had and the advantages that they had that it was part of, I think, or the not eliminating the capability to create these giants because we have the reffi em that show up after the flood, but the giants that are going to be born thereafter are going to be smaller, I think, and they're going to have other limitations, and one

of those was that infertility issue. And you know in the Ugaritic text after the flood, they're trying to bring Baal and astroll back to by doing fertility rituals so that they can reproduce more refi em because they're not able to produce in the same way that the Nephilim we're able to produce before the flood. So I think there's some changes that happens with that implementation that rolls forward after the flood as well. That makes a lot of sense. And also when

you would look at it. It's God's way of limiting power to as we talked about the nephilium, etc. I could almost compare that to putting tonal limits on politicians down here. You know, in the US, we have these creatures that have been in office for fifty sixty years and that they contain this power, and that's one of the biggest problems we have in this country down here in the United States. Gary, Yeah, it is, and

so I think that's exactly why it was put in it. There would be generations and generations and they wouldn't be able to collect that power because once they get ahold of that, it's very hard to take that away. So it has to be passed on in some sort of format. So yeah, I would agree with that as a good analogy. And a lot of people would say that most of the politicians are the descendants of giants, so that's why

they don't want term limits exactly. That's another a dot connected today. I did want to go back to the size of them because there's another verse in the Bible numbers thirteen, verse thirty three, and it talks about it, and there we excuse me, and there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak which come of the giants, and this part just think about it. And we were in our own site as grasshoppers, and so we were

in their site. Yeah, And what's interesting in that they're talking about the anachem that they saw, because it says the anachem are the children of giants, and that's the Hebrew word nephila and nilim, that's the plural. So what's going on there is a testimony to the size of the giants that were before the flood in kind of a way to scare the Israelites. So let

me sort of explain that. So Nephelim shows up only three times in the Hebrew Old Testament, once in Genesis six four and twice in numbers at thirteen thirty three. Every other time except for one, and that one other time is in the Book of Job where it's translated the King James version of giant. It goes back to gibbor or Gibberine, which is which is the mighty

one, meaning in Genesis six four to describe the giants. All the other times in the Bible, over twenty five times where it says giant, it goes back to Rafa or Rafaim, and so the Anakim are described in Deuteronomy too as giants. But going back to the word rafa rafaim a is the plural, and Rafaim shows up as a tribe of giants in Genesis fourteen and the War of Giants, and then in Genesis fifteen as a tribe that is one of the peoples that are mentioned in the land that Abraham is being granted

as an inheritance for his descendants. And there's other giants in there as well, but that's a specific one. So Ahmad, Talma, and Cheshi are the three Anakim kings, and they are the children of a knack, as it's described in the accurate part of their report that Caleb and Joshua are reporting. But the terrified scouts who do want to take these monsters on are describing them as nephialin not refaem, and so they're trying to scare the Israelites.

But what that's telling you is is that the Israelites understood how large these giants were before the flood, and as we mentioned that they were significantly larger and they were light grasshoppers. It's not a direct measurement comparison, it's more of a simile, but it gives you that sort of imagery. But these weren't nephaline. These were refaem, So it was designed to scare the people.

But they were significantly larger than the Israelites, who would have had like an average height of let's say five to five and a half feet, and these giants were much larger. So you have one description of the size of a specific giant, and that's four hundred or four hundred years later with the Goliath story. And he is six cubits and a span and the king of Gas.

So but even if you measured on a standard eighteen inch versus the royal cubit of twenty one, he'd be nine feet nine inches tall and described as very stout and wide, and or eleven ft three inches tall. So no matter what dimension you're going to apply to him, he's going to be a giant by a human sort of standard. And the other description that we get biblically is Oug's bed, and his bed is described and he's the king of

not only the Yigrette, but afterwards the War of Giants. He moves into the Mount Herman region and he's king over sixty cities twelve Pentapolize that he's ruling over. He's a very powerful king, and he's called the last of the Giants or the last of the Reffeime, and likely the last of the original Ruffeeme creation. After the flood, and his bed was kept on display in the town of Raba to remind the Israelites of the size of the giants that

they were dealing with. So this bed was nine cubits long and four cubits y, so on a royal cubits, as being king log and as Josephus said, you should measure the giants in the covenant land on a royal cubit. Then that would make that bed close to sixteen feet long and seven feet wide, and for him to fit into it would be he'd be minimum twelve feet tall, and he would be probably more like fourteen to fifteen feet tall, not as big as Gilgamash, but big nonetheless, And he would have

been four to five feet wide. So again with that similar kind of two to one hype the width ratio that they had. So these just weren't tall. These were and then when I say the word stout, yeah, they were wide. They weren't fat. They were muscularly stout, as that was understood, and powerful and strong. So these uh descriptions of these giants in

that are being seen in the report by the Scouts and the Anachem. The Egyptian records of Telmi put them at about twelve feet tall, which is in the same range, you know, a log and a little bit taller than goliaths. So these were giants that they were saying they were at least twice their size. Um So one when we look at some of these descriptions, when it says like, yes, it's to give you that imagery, but it's not that direct sort of proportion. How big were the giants before the

flood? You know, we really don't know. We're told in the giazz version of the Book of Enoch, which is the longer version, that there were three hundred ls. In the Aramaic version you get that not translated as l's but as cubits, and so that would make them four hundred and fifty to five hundred feet tall, which I think might be a little bit larger

than I would expect. And L seems to be the older term that's recognized that comes down through prehistory, but nobody knows what the measurement of an l is. And in the Aramaic version, it's thought that they used cubits because they didn't know what other measurement to apply there, and they knew they were talking about these massive giants, So we don't really know how big they are.

I think they're at least twenty to forty feet tall, so they were they were quite a bit bigger, I think, than than the post Luvian giants. My goodness. Since we're on giants, so I'm going to throw this other listener question to you, and it's actually more current, and Catherine would like to know, have you heard the story about the Candahar Giant and

what are your thoughts on it if you have. Yeah, after you know I had written my book, I had listened to an interview that I think that she's referencing on Coast to Coast and they had Steve Quail and the helicopter pilot, and I was absolutely impressed by the detail, and not only the detail on the military side, in terms of the tactics, the equipment, what they did, what happened, how he was presenting himself, his position, but the details on the description of the giant, and it was almost

right out of the description that I put in in chapter four in my book, and um I was. I walked away, and I had two thoughts on it, and I thought to myself, either that is a hoax and they and that individual's fed information by people who are adept and had to have ancient records of this um or he was telling the truth, and I tend

to think he was probably telling the truth. For me, it's the only sort of real legitimate witnessing that I've heard in terms of the detail content that you would suggest that giants might there might still be ones around, either coming out of stasis or being recreated or somehow showing up into this age. It was to me, it was was that impressive. So either counts don't seem

to for me to have that type of credibility. So but that one stands out to me as if there are still those kind of giants around that that would be a testimony to it. And you know, the description of how difficult it was to kill, and how fleet of foot and able to back weapons out of the air, and just it was just everything about it was was to me very very accurate. So yeah, I would suggest that that that's legitimate, but you know, I have I don't have a video on

it or anything like that, but I thought it was very credible. Yeah, you know, during my time in Iraq, there would be tales at when it would be at the chow hall or whatever and that topic. Because I think that went down in two thousand and two, and I think it was spec ops that were involved in that. And you know, the guys who came in who didn't have their name tags on. You know, it's pretty much under the radar. Would you would hear that story and be very

intriguing. But you know, when you're in the army and you're deployed, we have a lot, we have a lot of time, so we kind of, you know, it's our thing to make yarns, maybe expand stories, just like when we go fishing and we talk about we had a three footer that got away. But I will tell you that story was told back at least I think the first time I heard it might have been oh,

four oh five. It's really hard with dates anymore, but that is something that was kind of talked about on that side of the earth back in the day. Very interesting My next question for you is, I want to kind of go back to chapter five, excuse me, verse five, and God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil. Continually, could you expound

a little bit on what you think the exact wickedness God saw? Obviously a big part of it would be the giants interacting with the humans, creating uh, you know these people, but what other evils do you think they portrayed? And that that got God so worked up, kind of like you know a painter that puts a lot of time and effort into something then just decides it's not right and he kind of crumples it up and throws it away.

Because that's basically what God did, right Sands Noah and the ones. Yeah, so that we'll start with the violence and work into some of the other stuff. And when we're talking about violence, this is violence against everything on the earth, violence against humans, eating humans, drinking their blood, ritual sacrifice. But they weren't satisfied with just that. They would war with themselves and it was sort of perpetual war, and the whole world was just full

of violence. Because of these giants, and that's part of the context for that violence, the creation of these giants. As to how the world became so violent, Yes, the Canaanites were you know, evil according to the Bible, but they didn't reach the level of the of the giants. They were just on a whole different classes themselves. Now, the wickedness that's going on is um you know, every sort of thing that God would probably not

want to see um. But we see that today and we haven't had an apocalypse nature, and we won't see that to the end time, but we get a better understanding of what the wickedness was. And those who are causing the violence did that we're ruling the world because they usurp to kingships like they when they had enslaved the humans and there were you know, creating genocide against

the humans. But the Buds says that the whole world was corrupt. The world was corrupted, and that's the Hebrew word shikok, and so the earth was completely corrupt and that means the k ruined destroyed. Words like that. That suggests that there's more going on here that isn't totally reflected in the historical accounts. And what that is is the ability to change DNA in humans, the ability to create chimera type of animals, the ability to manipulate DNA,

the ability to manipulate the genome. You know, you have this mythical course that was written by the Nepheling before the flood called the Unicorn, and as you see it kind of depicted on the Windsors or the Hanovers or the Stuart's coat of arms, and this was generally a white horse. Sometimes we're black, but generally they were white. And they were the perfect chimera animal created for war. And I already mentioned King Baba as a sort of chimera.

So you have all of these things that are going on with these fantastic beings that were destroying and recreating life on the planet so much so that the whole earth was corrupt. So that means all almost all of the plant genome, all of the animal DNA, almost all of the human DNA had been corrupted. And only the eight selected for the Bible, both spiritually and physically,

would were selected to go on the arc. And only the animal as the best represented the species, which is the biblical word kind as it's it's expressed was there that could be able to repopulate it with without this corrupted DNA after the flood, and we get this methos of this cute, cuddly little horse that's the unicorn, right, and that it missed the arc and this methos because it was so playful, it missed the calling to come to the ark.

And that's why God called the animals to the arc, because he selected the animals, right. It's not that they didn't hear the call. It's because they weren't cute and cuddly. They were these camaro type, you know, warm machines um for for the nphylee, and they didn't get a call to the ark. They didn't miss the call. It's just a sort of

a reimagination of what was going on. I cover off the uh the unicorn in in in the can book and give a full complete description of it, and I'll also suggest that the unicorn goes deeper in its meaning and also represents an angelic being as well. That's interesting how backwards everything is. I bet you a third of the little girls who go to bed every night in the United States go to bed with little stuffed unicorn, you know, little stuffed

animal unicorn. Yeah, then that's something. Yeah, it's not like the unicorn was out of the cell tower distance and missed a phone call. There's a reason that the unicorns didn't get a call to the arc. Yeah. And then they try and recreate these these giant horses for the rough I am to ride after the flood, and you see these white stallions that come down through history. And you know, there's an interesting painting with the two Autha

did a nan or as a shay sid as they're called. And the painting is called the Riders of the Shay and it has these pale too author did a nan giants and all sorts of occult imaory on it. And they're riding these white horses and they have these gold helmets on them, on these horses that have this unicornspike on it um. And again they were sort of you know, decorating their Posteluvian horses that they rode into battle at like they would,

uh, you know, to represent the antidiluvian um u unicorns. And you have the nice sea and white horses that the Persians bread and bread for war and for the chariots, and the Persian kings would ride and have as part of their horses, you know, pulling their their chariots. And these were bread for the larger rough I m. Kings, just as many of

the Persian kings were depicted as giants too. You don't get too much of that imagery today, but they were classified as like eight nine feet tall, so to be a little little bit more deluded in that height as you're you know, as you're going further into the unfolding of history, but all in the same sort of mode that they were just trying to emulating the ancient Neapholine.

Thank you for explaining that, I imagine one of the biggest I don't want to say pushbacks, but I guess the most question you get is how did they survive? What's the connection with post flood? You know, there's been many people who have written articles about the you know, the seed of Cain, the bloodline of Caine, and you know, how did this evil survive the flood and continue one. Yeah, there's really only three ways that

it could sort of come about, and I have my preferred position. But because we don't have a Genesis six four after the flood, we don't have the smoking gun passage that I would call we have a lot of things that might point one way or another, but we don't have that smoking gun verse except that these giants show up, and there's lots of them and lots of different tribes of them, so we know that they do show up. So I'll start with my least favorite position is is somehow on the arc and somehow

on the arc. Bucket would include that, just as we saw in the last Noah movie where he had Tubalcane depicted as a stowaway. In Jewish mysticism, it was King Og who was a stowaway, so kind of a stowaway sort of method. In other versions, you have that the genes of the wives were carrying the giant genes and that's how they show up in the Canaanites

after the flood. I kind of think that kind of contrary to trying to start new without getting a corruption after the flood, and that the wives likely probably carried the genes of all four races, which is why we have the

four races after the flood. Just sort of my speculation on that, but I can't discount it because again we don't have the actual way they show up after the flood, and then gnastics will also say that Ham was a giant, and other gnastic accounts will say all three sons were giants, and then other nastic accounts will say all of the members of the Heart were giants. So outside the Bible you get a number of different ways. So that's the

first bucket. The second bucket is somehow with the help of fallen angels. So fallen angels, even though they rebelled, then they have the power of free will and free choice, and God lets things play out through free choice until the end. Until the end time, and everything that we're seeing today is still being played out through free choice of us fallen angelic beings, loyal

angelic beings, and whatever spurious creations were created by the fallen angels. And so somehow with the help of fallen angels, that either means off the earth, as like with Amaka Seth where he's taken into a cloud in the Gnostic tradition, and there's two different kinds of giant races as their tradition goes out of some of the Gnostic texts, I would also say in the earth somehow, either in another dimension or underground cities or whatever. Protection that the fallen

angels could provide for them. I would also include with angelic help on another arc. And the reason why I say that is is because going back to the pick up Gilgamesh, you have Gilgamesh who's classified as two thirds God and one third human. A demigod Nkie Dew is classified the same way, who is created in the same way as Gilgamesh after the flood to offset the tyrant

nature of Gilgamesh. But Gilgamesh seeks out up a Pishton or Zaya Zudra in other translations of the same story, and he is the archetypical Nephilim two thirds God one third human before the flood, who's the king of Sumer at the time of the flood, and all of his family, who are two thirds God and one third human are put on the arc for survival as well. So you're getting in the arc story the survival of giants on another arc, not humans, but giants. And then you have the same sort of thing

happening in Greek history and mythologies. You have Dukalian that's described as the Greek Oha on an arc and his wife Kiera. The thing is is that Ducalian is son of Prometheus, which makes him a nephelum. So that's another enophilum

survival story. So in those stories it is the angels who build the arc for um for up Piston, and in other accounts around the world you have these giants surviving on an arc as well, So that's a that's a possibility through the help of fallen angels, and that may mean than that nephelum, some of them did survive into the post Bolivian world, and you would have,

you know, larger ones than the than the refaim. And maybe Gilgamesh was part of the original nephalim or bloodline of the original nepheleim as, being sixth generation, which is why he was larger. I think there's maybe a different reason to that, but I'll stay on topic if I can, because I tend to go down these grabbit holes no worries a while sometimes. So my favor position that was second incursion, and I'll explain that in a second.

But I should go back to that. If people wanted to make an argument for survival, you could make a very interesting and legal argument that. In Genesis six and in Genesis seven, in the flood story, God says he's going to destroy everything he created, and the enough poem were created by fall angels, so you could make that legal argument that this was the start anew, but he wasn't going to prevent the survival of the creations of the

fallen angels. And in that case, they could have also had survivors of the other types of creatures that they had created, some chimera vehicle creatures, little people as the elements are called, maybe some serpentine creatures, like they've managed to save some of them a hash before they were totally taken down to serpent status that we that we understand now as opposed to a walking, talking, intelligent human being that deceived Adam, and even in the garden that we

don't get a good explanation for where it came from. In fact, we don't get any explaination other that was classified as a beast of the field that would have been created in day five. But that's another rabbit hole. So second incursion I think fits better biblically, and I think we get a lot

of things that sort of reference Second incursion. So I have a document for people if they want to get a hold of me through my website, just asked for the second incursion document, and all sense that to you and I

walk through everything because it's a it's a fairly large document. But for me, we have accounts of second incursion, and we have accounts that aligned perfectly with the refa em with second incursion and showing up as the rafa em with the Uguritic texts, which has the root word for refiem, which is rpm and transliterates as Rapu and rap pm in the Uguritic texts that are created by Baal and astroff with Canaanites, and so we get the same name that's used

in the Bible for these giants. That is a parallel account that suggests that they were created after the flood because Ball rules after the flood. His father l ruled before the flood, and L for those crimes would have went to the Abyss. And that's why Baal and astro aren't around when the refaim are doing their rituals to bring them back to create more refaim, because they've been sent to the Abyss for the same crimes as their parents did, as they're

described as offspring gods. Zeus, for example, creates Hercules after the flood

through alchemy, and you have Gilgam actually being created after the flood. So we get other accounts of giants being created after the flood, and we have these refaim that show up after the flood that have no specific sort of verse for their creation, but one presumes that they would have been created in the same way as Genesis six four talks about, where it talks about when the sons of God went to the daughters of men, and they did so again.

But again it's not smoking gun as to when again is except that it's done in the same way and then afterwards, And that could mean more we're created before the flood came, which likely happened, And I could also mean that the sons of God went to human females again after the flood to recreate them, which I think you can extend to that as well, And we

certainly get a different kind of giant that shows up a flood. So I tend to think that second creation of giants after the flood and probably at Sodom makes makes the most sense for the creation of the giants from a biblical perspective. So that's where I lean to heavily. But again I have to reopened that because we don't have that smoking versus how they show up after the flood.

So the first sin happened in the garden of Veeden where the creation took and then the worst sin took place in Sadom, the second creation on a certain Yeah, what are the odds? Yeah? So yeah, And in the Anastic account you have giants with amaka set that were first planted in Gomorrah before the flood, and then in Sodom after the flood. And again so

even in an Austic account, you get a recreation at Sodom. And what's interesting about the city of Sodom is is that's where the angels go to destroy the city, and the inhabitants are wanting to have sex with these angels who look like men, And so two things are going on there. One is there's a homosexual intent there sure, or they have an understanding that these angels can take any form that they want, or they could have sex with their

daughters to produce more giants. And so were they wanting to just have sex or do they want to produce more giants for the same reasons that the refaim in the text wanted to have bail and Astrath come back to help produce more and more giants. And so in the time of Sodom, you're having this delution and this infertility thing kick in, and they may have been wanting to utilize them or you know, turn them to be able to produce more giants.

And when you get into second Peter and Jude one and is talking about this conversation again, they're wanting to have sex with strange flesh, and as you take that back to Greek, it could mean a different species. So I'm open to what was going on with all the different kinds of sins in Sodom and Gomorrah, but I think they would have clearly understood that if they're ruled by Rafael on kings at that time, and they were, and that

they understood that the fallen angels could reproduce more giants. That may have been going on at that time. That's interesting. I have a two part question for you. The first part, if you look at Genesis sixth, chapter verse nine, excuse me, it talks about how Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations. Men would like to ask, do you have a thought on what bloodline or specifically I guess what blood type they were.

Uh, I could only speculate, and a lot of people would and disagree with me on it, But I would say positive as opposed to negative. And the reason why I say that is the Royals tend to be more H than RH positive and there seems to be an insertion of the RH negative at some point in time in human history that's not clearly sort of defined as to

when that might be. Now. The standard argument is is that you can't insert the RH negative because it's missing the d antigen, so you can't insert something that wasn't there, right, So, but it's not the bloodline that's

inserted, it's the genes that are inserted. It's the genes that would produce this RH negative blood and that's that intermarriage to create the Chazoo, the giants that were the hybrids that were six to nine feet tall versus you know, the nine and larger is what the rafaim and other giants were described as.

So I think what's going on here is is that you're having this RH negative from the gene of Isis, from the l begins, from the Julia gens, from all the different sort of genes of the original demigods after the blood that is being passed on into human kind and able to you know, that produces the negative blood. So from that type of deduction, I would presume Noah would have been positive. I agree, And that is something that we talk about a lot on the podcast. Is the rh was that the rh

negative? That? It seems a lot of the folks who you know are kind of in control of the narrative, seem to be a part of So I agree with you. There now a part two the very same verse. It talks about how Noah's a just man, he walked with the God, he begat three sons, shem, Him and Japeth. Now the question is, obviously they build the ark, opens the windows of the heavens, and it floods for forty days forty nights, the water recedes and then comes.

You know, one of the most controversial texts in the Bible that has been debated for centuries, you know, you know a couple thousand years, which is the Curse of Ham and the effects it has on the bloodline. What are your thoughts and what happened with the Curse of Ham. Yeah, it's an interesting passage, and you know, the curse doesn't land on Ham. It lands on Canan right right right, and which is really kind of interesting,

and it's like a a prophetic curse. So you get a similar type of prophetic curse that happens in Genesis three with the Seat of the Serpent, and so it's going to happen in not that just of the future, but it's a curse that's going to be fulfilled through a prophecy, right absolutely, and so this is similar kind of curse and it comes with the authority of

God, just as you have that asserted in Genesis three. So this is a serious crime, but it doesn't pass on to Ham and only to one of his sons, which is you know, kind of odd and or er at is actually means curse. So it's the it happens on Mountain Herman or Mount ra At the you know, in a cursed mountain, so to speak,

where this crime took place. So a lot of people believe that as you get into the language of the language that's used in in in in the book of Genesis with with the Ham account, you have h a suggestion that him is having sex with Noah's wife, and that's that's the crime the troubles with that is that when you get into the laws as it's described in the Applications and throughout the Book of the Old Testament, is that there are certain

descriptions that you could apply to that in terms of uncovering in this case of Ham, and that would apply to having sex with maybe his daughter or his mother or his wife that you could apply it to. But in those examples, when a husband is being uncovered and accepts that sort of shame of what's happened to one of this family members, that family member is explicitly stated,

Well, Noah's wife isn't explicit stated only Ham. Only Ham was uncovered, and only and Ham knew what I mean, only Noah was uncovered, and Noah knew what had happened to him. And this seems to be a homosexual violation when Ham was drunk, and why it was deemed so a cursed and canaan. In response, they tend to marry with fallen angels after the flood because they don't want to accept the curse of servitude for this crime, and

they don't follow Ham to Africa, and they produced the hybrids. And if you look in the Book of Genesis, ten you have and first chronicles in the table of nations, you have Canaan and two sons named to Canaan named aside On in half, and then you have nine patriarchs tribes. All the other patriarchs in the table of nations have a specific patriarch named and of course Canan is the patriarch of Sidon and Heath. Where you don't have patriarchs listed

in the table of nations are Rafae patriarchs. So for Arba in the Book of Joshua is the patriarch of the Anachem that we talked about earlier. But Arba doesn't show up in the table of nations. Rafa which is thought to be the patriarch for the Rafaem, doesn't show up in the table of nations. Only the human patriarch show up. But you get nine pat rearkless tribes

like the Amorites, the Jebusites, the Hivites, nine of them. And these are the tribes that were created through the daughters of Canaan, Sidon and Heath that created the hybrid Chazoo, Amau or Shamaus. They're also known was more Mesopotamian terms of hybrids that we're going to help the survival of the Rafaim

through that intermarriage. And I would also deduce from that, and particularly with the five state Pentapolis that was part of the Giant Wars that included Sodom Gomor in the cities of the Plain, that Canaan and Seth, not Seth, Heath and Sidon likely intermarried with female l raphaem to create hybrids for those patriarchs.

But because they were human patriarchs, their names were left as eponymous for the tribes that they would have created, whereas the patriarch lest Ones would have a name that was associated with their patriarch, but the patriarch's specific name is not name. In my new book, I take these tribes back to a specific patriarch. So just a little tidbit for people in terms of how deep I do a dive into giants in terms of the new book. And of

course there's a lot of other tribes. The Abim don't have a patriarch, the Maca them don't have a patriarch, Akadma name don't the Keynights and on and on and on, and some of these ones they say, well, like keen As might have been the patriarch for the Key Nights and the Kennazites, except that they show up well before as tribes in Genesis fifteen or when Kenaz appears in Genesis thirty six so or even further down the road as a

name that would come through the Israelites. So these tribes were around before, just as the Malachim in Genesis fourteen appeared before. Amalak is created from Eliphaz, son of Esau, brother of Jacob, who lost all of his birthright

blessings. He marries a Horem, a daughter of Seer, which goes back to the Hebrew word setire and produces a new hybrid human Rapam dynasty that become the Amalekites that are going to move and live with the Malakim in Petra after that, and they're named after the amlak Is actually named after this already existing

Malachim tribe. So what Genesis thirty six does is show us that there's an example of that intermarriage with a female Hoim or Refaim as a sort of the generic term for all of the different tribes of the of the Refaim tribes that Horem we're part of, and that you have a hybrid nation that is created through that at a new dynasty that's created that is going to be part of the Elvin dynasty of the Gnostic Elvin bloodline and the lb gens that is part

of the whole psioning, so that we talked about earlier. Well, thank you so much for that explanation. I've heard similar recently. I had someone on a couple excuse me, a couple of months ago who had similar thoughts to the to the Curse of ham. All right, I want to start tapping on some of the chapters of your books. We have. We're going to run till nine o'clock, so we have about twenty five minutes left. The Tower of Babel, okay, which is found in chapter twenty nine of

your book. First off, I want to ask you briefly. There's people I don't know if you ever heard of a gentleman named Dustin Nemos. I had him on back in February, and he believes that Nimrod could be the

Anti Christ. Is that something that you've ever come across. I've heard people say that that Nimrod might be the sort of spirit of the Anti Christ, and probably is in the Abyss if that were the case, and when he comes out with the opening of the Abyss in Revelation nine is going to somehow be part of either through a possession in this case a demonic possession or an Avatara effect, which would be a higher being that would do it but would

give additional power to anti Christ after he probably receives his head wound. So Nimrod is an archetypical anti Christ figure for sure, because he maintains absolute control over all the Noah Heights when they're all one people, and he imposes his Babel religion, which is the Anochian religion from before the flood, which is

the allegory for the end time babylon religion. Babylon was rooted in the Hebrew word babel, and so he is a Gibberim as he's described as a mighty one in the Book of Genesis, and he becomes Gibberi his father is cushed, so he doesn't come by this title as a rough i aim, and

he's not described as rough i Am. He's described as a mighty one, and a mighty one can apply to giants, as it often does, but it can also apply to humans, and it can apply to just sort of the strength and the power of somebody, and Gabor is also used as the mighty strength of God, and it's also used in the word excel for angels and their strength in the Book of Psalms. So it shows up one hundred and fifty eight times in the Old Testament, and not always for a giant,

so we have to be careful there. Now, it's possible that never like loogal Banda three generations later, might have had sex with a goddess to produce you know, giant offspring, or he just intermarried with the giants, which is probably more likely with a female refaim after the Babel incident. So could God take a human spirit if he's not a refaem and put it into

the abyss. Yes, God can do anything that he wants, but typically human spirits sleep, and it's only it's only the counterfeit spirits that do not so, and he would be a terrific sort of ac sort of figure based on being the first post Bluvian Antichrist want to be and even threatening to go into heaven in some of the outside biblical accounts, which and trying to build his tower into heaven, which you can't do that with a stone tower.

But in the Acadian tradition, babel doesn't mean confusion of languages. It means I lu or babylou or e l as in a god or an angel and bab as in a parle or a stargate or a wormhole or something like that.

And that he was trying to build this tower on a location that was would have been obviously supplied with some sort of lay lines or some sort of energy that created a technology that he had received from Hermes in these accounts, from the Antidodeluvian angelic technology, and he was just going to use that to go into Heaven and travel interdimensionally to kill God if he ever got out of line again, which was the Huberst to which he's accredited to speaking as.

And he may have been wanting to go into Shaol or Hades, into the Abyss prison and release all of the giants that he was worshiping. I mean not all of the giants, but all of the gods that he was worshiping, the ones that were sent there both before and after the flood for creed giants. So he has a has a fit. But I would look at anti Christ if if that's going to be how that works would be more of

an angelic being an avatar avatara effect. And so if we look at the Hindu understanding of that, you have like Vishnu who has the avatar for his avatara Buddha and provided all of this additional wisdom for Buddha, and Vishnu incarnated many times, just as Shiva does. And Shiva actually incarnated into Niroshima, a line demigod which as Land is likely based on. And that's a rabbit

hole I probably shouldn't have opened up. So I'll move back on. But if you want to get a hold of me, I'll answer that question and I'll send you some documents on what I'm talking about on that. So you have this concept that angels can have more of a symbiotic relationship versus demonic possession that demons would have, so that you're not having to suppress the host,

that you're working together and are receiving more power. Now, I do leave open that in the occult, the adepts believe they can take these demonic spirits in and will add to their power. But I still suspect a demon is going to suppress the host, but they may be more subservient to what they let in because that's what they desire to do. But it sounds to me more like this is kind of akin to what Satan did with Judas, where he entered into Judas to give him the courage to betray and go through with

betraying Jesus. And so biblically are told that in Revelation thirteen that Antichrist receives his power from the dragon. So the dragon could mean Satan, or it could mean perhaps Azazel, who is the destroyer of the antidiluvian world, and likely the angel that is called the destroyer angel coming out of the abyss as a badon or a polyon, and just as Son of tradition goes back to that same series of words that produces a polyon, so there's a connection there

as well. And but second, Thessalonian says that Antichrist will receive his power from Satan, So it seems to me it's more likely that Satan is the

sponsor of the power and not Azazel. But I'm open to sort of both, So I would lean in that sort of direction that he will have that additional power and to be able to do things that will absolutely it's down people bol and what ought not to be surprised that if he could do something like what Neo did in the matrix, that as soon as he figured out how to how to manipulate things, he could fly, and nobody else could fly

like he did, right, except for other algorithms. And there's a lot of there is some I guess theories out there that Anti Christ will have that capability of flying like Superman Deaths, right, So I wouldn't be surprised if that was the level of power that Anti Christ will have, because he is going to have to have powers like like Jesus had and pretty much anything that Jesus, well, anything Jesus would want to do as long as it was you know, kosher, with the rest of the tripart he could do as

Alpha Omega. So Anti Christ will have to be able to duplicate that. And that's going to take the most powerful of all the angels, the fallen angels, which would be Satan. So I would lean more to that. I won't discount out that it would be Nimrod, but it would be kind of it an exception to the norms of how you would expect that to play out. Gotcha, one thing I would I'm kind of putting myself out there

a little bit. I kind of tend to think the same way about the Tower of Babbel story up until I would say, the last three or four years ago. And then these are one of the things where I think it's important to read the King James version if you go back and read the creation story and Biblical cosmology in particular, and then you know, you go read Genesis eleven and it specifically talks that they had brick for stone, they had slime from mortar, and it also talks about, you know, the flood.

If you go back to the flood, it talks about the windows of the firmament. It didn't rain for forty days and forty nights. And correct me if I'm wrong, because I might be wrong, but it never rained on the earth prior to the flood, right, correct? And so I wonder is um you know? And heliocentrism is based on being centered around the Sun, which was created by Jesuits. You know, we know this world is full of deceit are we being lied to about our very being here on

earth? Were they actually trying to build a tower to reach the heavens where God is seated right above us. Is that a possibility, Yeah, but I think probably through interdimensional problem. I think that because I don't think you could build stone up and mud bricks up that high, just wouldn't be physically

possible. So well, I can see a very um, a pompous person saying we're going to build this, And then I guess only question is, and you're you're more of a Bible scholar than me, is um I've looked before? Does it mention other dimensions in the Bible, like interdimensional stuff? Well, we know that there is in the Bible there are shoal and hades as it's called, right, and that seems to be in the earth, but not sort of physically in the earth, right, And we know that

there's the Abyss that's also located in that same sort of location. We also know that there is m three heavens in the Bible. One is is the Ferminade, and then what's outside the Fermaad is the second heaven. And then there's a realm of the spirit beings that seems to be in another dimension or at least where the spirit being sort of um exists now And polytheism, they kind of look at seven dimensions or seven heavens, but a lot of those

seem to be storehouses within one of the heavens. So I'm not quite sure that, you know, biblically, we don't get there with seven, but I think they're talking about the same ones. It's just not in in seven

separate locations. So I think it speaks to that that there's a realm where the spirit beings living, and there's the physical world, and what happens in the physical world as it's as rules and regulations that are are permitted and things that are not, and when you cross that to a certain degree, there's also you know, consequences for that, but it's done sort of in that physical sort of nature, and so spirit beings have to take a physical presence

to interact physically in this dimension. So it just seems to me that there is a separate realm where there's a dwelling place for the spirit in a spirit virtual realm like in heaven, which has talked about as the Oi caterian or the habitation in Jude one six, or the house in heaven, which is the same Greek word oichterian. It means a dwelling place for the spirit.

So they left their dwelling place for the spirit in heaven. But to interact physically in this world, they have to create another oikyterian, which is the soul and body which is from this world to hold that spirit. And the immortal spirit wasn't designed to interact physically in the physical world perpetually because that's part of the spirit world, and the angels who are spirit beings were created immortal.

So all of that sort of suggests there's something that's different. And then when when Jesus was resurrected, he went to Heaven in his body, and the resurrection for Christians in Heaven is with this new body that was created with something new with the direction of Jesus, where a physical body can now go into I think a different dimension as in heaven that will be sort of an ongoing thing in eternity. So there's a lot of things that are kind of

pointing towards that as as a different dimension. But does it specifically say a different dimension. No, it does not, but it just sort of seems to me indicate that excellent, we got about ten minutes left. I do want to kind of fire some question at you more towards secret societies, etc. I was really fascinated with chapter sixty nine. Our dollar bill, our

money is loaded with all this symbology. Specifically the dollar bill the United States seal is engraved with the words anew at coopitus, which is Latin for announcing the birth of and then of course it's followed by novis ordoschlorum, which basically, I mean translates into the birth of the new world order. Where do you think, and again this is conjecture here, where do you think the United States? Or I should say, what part will it play in the

end times? If any? Oh, I think it'll play a large role. But we also need to understand the end times in a globalist sort of term. Right, we're talking about a seventh empire that's going to rise, that's going to have ten kings, and there's going to be ten emperors that are ruling this this world government that are controlled by this universal religion with babylons. So I think the US is going to be part of that and probably

be one of those kings. Now, is that going to be represented by sort of let's say, a royal family so to speak of the US or are they going to fall in under let's say the Windsors as part of that empire. And we don't know, but expect that the whole world is going to be split into ten different groups, just as the Club of Rome imagines it, just as un imagines it, and maybe a little bit different than how they've drawn the lines. But that's how those in control see this world

empire being made up of. And so I certainly would expect the US would play a very very large role on that, and they were created to help bring about this world empire. And the model of the US is kind of similar to what they first see in the End Time, where you have in the US, you have one central power and then you have all of these

different states that are working together. And this would be sort of the model that they see for the ten King Empire of the end Time, and then eventually at the midpoint, Antichrist takes over after those ten kings hand them power. So the US will play a large role in the fig Tree generation in terms of the Sorrows as part of the major player that sees this geopolitical network warm through wars and rumors of war and other catastrophes as they get stronger.

I think we're seeing I think we are in the Fig three generation. We may not be, but I think I think that we are. I don't think we're in the last seven years by any stretch of the imagination. And we're seeing the strength of those birth pangs, those sorrows get stronger. And part of that is as a pestilence that we saw not that long long ago, that would expect to see stronger ones like that. And these are probably

all going to be contrived fasters. And you see this jostling going on today with Russia and the Ukraine, where Putin has these sort of grandiose dreams that he thinks he's a Puganan and that he wants to put together the Kievan Empire of the originals Ars and so Kiev's kind of the Holy City. But he doesn't want It's not that Putin doesn't want to be part of the new World order. He just wants a larger role for himself. Just says Trump was

trying to do the same thing. He wanted a larger role in this new world order of importance in not a smaller order as the Western Europeans would design, So Putin doesn't want the same design that the Western Europeans want as well, and neither does g and Gi would like to build an empire and will

be and he's already working in partnership with Russia. And I think we're going to see this polarization into maybe two groups of five if we are indeed in the fig Tree generation, and that we're starting to see that take place. So the US is going to play a large role as the attack dog for the Western Europeans, but at some point in time they're going to have to come back to the pack, which is also what they're trying to do.

At the same time as being the attack dog, they're trying to weaken the US so they can't dominate the whole world, so that they can have a more equal union. So I think they're going to play a large role, and even as you get into the end time, as part of that, a lot of the technology and the weaponry and the events of the wars are going to be in part where the US are involved, So they're going to play a large role. They're just not going to be the central place.

They're slowly going to be moved back so that you could have Babylon take center stage with these ten kings, and then Antichrist will come in at the midpoint of the last seven years. Yeah, I agree with that, and it's really interesting speaking of Freemasonry and secret societies. Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma talks about three World Wars. We've already had the two, but I think he says for the third World War it's going to be was Zion in Middle Eastern

countries. And you know, all the focus has been on Ukraine and Russia. But what the mainstream media isn't telling people right now is that Israel is in a huge crisis right now and they are collapsing from the inside out. You're not catching much of that coverage within the news, but they're having some serious issues and I'm worried with of course, August twenty second is the big Bricks vote. They're going to create this currency that is backed with gold,

and it just so happens that August twenty second was the date. It was the anniversary of the United States coming off of the gold standard, and just ask Momar Gadaffi how that worked for him. So I do believe, like you said, we are in the early stages, we're feeling the birthing pains,

and I think we certainly will play a large part of this. Yeah, and there needs to be this massive and then we're going to see wars that people are going to say this is the apocalypse and disasters, and it's still in the birth pangs, and those birth pangs will get stronger, so much so that in Revelation six they'll hit a peak of twenty five percent destruction of the whole world, and even the rulers of the Earth at that time

are going to be hiding in caves because of the destruction. And I think it's the day of the Lord. But the trumpets are yet to come, and the raf boles are yet to come, and that comes in thirty three percent and what would be one hundred percent strength except that Jesus steps into shorten the day, and so you're going to have to have a war that duplicates the armageddon war that Jesus is going to come back and fight or anti Christ

to fulfill his pedigree and his armac eddon. So you have this war that happens in Revelation nine, after the opening of the Abyss and before the midpoint when he actually takes power. That is the same war as described by creatures in Joel one and two versus Joel three, which is the Armageddon battle, and seems to be the Dog War that is going to be fought in the

Middle East led by Dog, chief prince of Magog of Maschek. And Dog isn't a patriarch that's in the Bible anywhere, so he never created a nation from the Table of Nations. Magog is. Gog is the offspring of Aya Pettis and a human female before the flood, as is Magog. So Magog, as they show up as a descendant of Jafana, seems to have been one of the peoples that intermarried with these refaim and accepted a giant name, and that was put in to sort of denote that in the genealogies. And

but Gog has nothing to do with the Table of Nations. And so this is after the Abyss is opened. And what's also interesting is an Ezekiel theory. Two. You have these terrible Ones that we talked about earlier. They're talking to Pharaoh from cells in the sides of the Abyss prison as the terrible ones who are slain on the earth and to terrible things while they were still alive. So these are the worst of the Nephalim and the refi Em.

And one wonders whether or not there's a connection between those being released in Revelation nine to Gog and Magog as being giants from before the floods. Interesting stuff, for sure, one hundred percent. And I got one more thing to mention, and we're gonna let you go eat some dinner. You've been very

generous with your time, and I do want to thank you. But chapter seventy six, when I looked at chapter seventy six, I laughed because the very very first podcast I ever did years ago was on Prescott Bush in the Bush Family. I have had a interesting you know, the bushes, especially if you talk about the bushes in Texas, you're going to get the dirty eye. You know, the bushes are just gold down there. But the fact of the matter is, and I stand by the statement that George HW.

Bush was one of the most evil people of the twentieth century. And your chapter seventy six is a thousand points of light. And you talk about when Adam Eve excuse me, and then Adam ate the tree of knowledge, good and evil, They ate the beautiful fruit of gnosis or knowledge, and then you talk about Pike, the evil demons, and it goes on. But that thousand points of light, and I always talk about mockery and how George HW. Bush eleven years to the day before September eleventh, mentioned there

would be a new world order. Now, what people overlook. The other thing that he said at the nineteen eighty eight Republican National Convention was that a brilliant diversity spreads like stars, like a thousand points of light in a broad and peaceful sky. And he would say something similarly in his inaugural address of nineteen eighty nine. So this is a form of mockery. And just if you could really again just kind of let the people know what this thousand points

of light is really about. Yeah, and his son, George, the last President Bush, used that same term in a couple of speeches and at the at the funeral of his father. So, um, a thousand points of light is what they call in gnosticism, in secret societies and in this whole bloodline power system that rules the earth is the original spark of the divine,

not spark of the divine, as they understood. Is the spark and the seed of the spirit being godfathers, the celestial mafia who created the original Nephelim and then the Rephaim after the flood, and that this spark of the divine is the thousand points of lights. Is this dispersed spark that's around the earth that they want to collect together so that they can evolve into Godhood.

And in order to do that, they have to bring about this one world government, this one world old religion, so that they can take control of the earth and develop into Godhood. Thank you for that, and thank you so much for your time tonight for the two hours all the knowledge that you've dropped on us. And again, ladies and gentlemen, it's the Genesis six conspiracy, how secret societies and the descendants of giants plan to enslave humankind.

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