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Alaska is Dave. And Dave, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Not a problem. Thank you. George. Go ahead, before we get started and get into our conversation. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Well, my name's Dave. Like George, I did a career in the army. I did twenty two years. I retired March of twenty twenty, and I'm sure everybody remembers what happened like twenty twenty,
but I couldn't have got out at a better time. We retired, came back up to Alaska or stationed before, and now we just kind of do our thing. We've got chickens, a garden, just trying to provide for ourselves and live a subsistence lifestyle the best we can. That's so good to hear. And there's so many other people starting to do that as well. You know, the government likes to tell us there's a food shortage when in reality, it's it's a grocery store shortage. It's a supply chain shortage.
There's plenty of food everywhere. It's just that people choose. And listen, there's some people, you know, I'm not. You know, for many years we didn't really grow much, and we're just at the point where we can do so as well. But at the end of the day, it's not a food shortage. It's it's certainly just a supply chain issue. It's a grocery store issue. People can grow their food. And I'm so happy to hear that you you're doing that is well. But you, I
guess you have a little more challenge. What do you do for the winter time with your chickens up there in Alaska? Do you have like a heated coop for them? So there's a guy up in Fairbanks that makes insulated coups. So this will be our first, our first winter with them, so
we're going to be experimenting some different things. I've got some friends that they just leave him in the coop ball winner and from the chicken poop and the straw and hemp betting and whatever and slates it well enough and they winter over just fine. That's great. How many chickens do you have? We wanted eight, so we got ten, and I guess we just did it too good. We still have that's awesome. Yeah, that's that's really good.
That's great. So you know, in however many months, once they get going, you'll you'll definitely get six or seven eggs every day and it's quite a blessing and it's so exciting when you get that first egg too, it's like, yes, I did it before we get started into the flat Earth. I do have to ask you because I retired in twenty fifteen, so by the time twenty twenty kicked off, many of my friends had already retired or left the army as well. And you did leave literally like two weeks
before this whole thing kicked off. So I'm sure you all had friends that were in. What was it like for them navigating through this and the forced vaccinations? Do you have any stories like that to share? Most of what I heard was it just I mean, it just gotten nuts because I finished out my career in Recruiting Command and they had people still trying to put people in the army remotely, and I mean recruiting Command is its own animal but
it just just got crazy. Like I heard, they weren't even doing pet tests for like two years, so they weren't flagging people for failed apfts and people just standing at home. It was I can imagine it was a very very weird time to be in the military. Yeah, I couldn't imagine.
You know, all the years I was in it was you know, six thirty pt nine o'clock first call, and it was hands on all day, especially back when I was you know, a fifty one Bravo, when I was doing an engineer And for the Army to go like that, like much of the world did, it was very interesting. I have always said I really had a special place in my heart for the guys who were like I mean, I had a special place in my heart for all of them.
But you know, many of the people who were fifteen plus years closening on retirement and had to make a decision between the vaccine and that pension check, which for those who don't know, in the military, it starts right after you retire. You don't wait till your sixty two or sixty five. It kicks right in. And I really feel bad for the people that had to
make that decision. Yeah, my son was telling me at Fort Benning he's an officer, but there was a guy that he was going to his armor bullet class with who is just now getting ready to leave after a year and a half because he refused the vaccine and so he just been sitting there and hold over status. Still got promoted to first lieutenant, but just not going anywhere because he's like, no, I'm not going to take the vaccine.
Wow. But but he's now he's going to Riley, right, Yeah, I'm not sure that I think this other guy is going to Riley too. I think, Okay, well that's good to hear. There's you know, I wouldn't judge anybody. That's a tough decision to make you put that much time and effort in that close to your pension. You have a family. It's a shame that this government put people in that decision. Let's talk about flat Earth. You were born and raised Christian and you say you've remained in
the church your entire life. Talk to us about your journey to flat Earth. Yeah, so at all it all kind of happened simultaneously or really close in proximity to changing. I guess church bodies, you could say that that
happened. First, we were stationed in Florida at the time, and we're trying to find a I was raised to Assemblies of God, the hand raising, speaking in tongues, jumping up and down, fire and brimstone kind of stuff, and so we were trying to find a church in Florida, and we kept trying different ones, but I'm like, nothing seems right, and like these these people are just kind of crazy. And at the same time, we couldn't find a school, a public school for our kids, so
we sent them to a private Christian school of Lutherans school. I hate that I have to do this, but I do have to explain the delineation between Lutherans. You have the far left wing, woke Lutherans at Ordain, gay clergy, and trans then you have what are called confessional Lutherans, which are the conservative we believe what the Bible says Lutherans and so that's the kind we are. So we sent the kids to school there, and since we couldn't find a church, we were like, oh, let's try going here.
But I was like, I don't know what these Lutherans believe. If I'm going to go here. And so that ended up with many many long nights in my Bible, reading the Lutheran's Confession of Faith and looking being like, well, yeah, that's what the Bible says, but that's not what I was told I said. So, long story short, I had to reconcile if I was gonna believe my Bible for what it ceter for, I was going to believe it says what somebody's telling me it says, but it clearly
doesn't say that. So ended up becoming a Lutheran. And then a short while later I was I say, I literally tripped and fell into flat Earth. I hadn't really been down any other conspiracy roads before, but I remember it was a hollow earth video about Admiral Bird and I was like, okay,
yeah, whatever, I'll watch it. I watched it, and then like the next video that came up was a flat earth video and I think it was one of Rob Skeeba's and it kind of appealed to me because he was using the Bible, and I'm like, okay, I'll watch this, and then it just turned into video after video looking at my Bible and I'm like, holy crap, that's literally what it says. Yeah, and it's
it's funny. There's so many things we can correlate in our life, whether it be covid or or the heliocentrism where basically we go back after all of that and waking up, we look at our Bible and just right there in the first chapter of Genesis, and we're like, man, how did we miss this and why do we continue to allow man to deceive us? Yeah? Actually at all In the way I asked people about it is and I think I picked it up from Rob Skeeba. It was do you believe it?
You're by says do you believe the Bible is literal except where it tells you it's metaphorical, And the Bible usually tells us where it's metaphorical. We'll say X is as this or something is like this, and it's clearly telling us, okay, this is a metaphor to get us to understand this thing. But the Bible, like Genesis, doesn't say it was like it said God, kid, that's interesting. I'm sorry, go ahead said that last one. I stepped on you. Oh it says it says God plays stay
firmament. That's right. Hung the sun he hung the moon. Yeah, there's nothing mellog worical or metaphorical about it. That's right. You had mentioned that you fell into flat earth in twenty seventeen and you still had three years left in the military. I know how the mind frame I was in for about two weeks after discovering flat Earth. How was that experience for you?
Oh? Man, there was Um, we had a we had a pool at our house, and I can't tell you how many nights I was pacing around the pool thinking about it, UM, talking to my sister and my parents about it, and it was. It was. It was a good couple of weeks of just like wow, like I can't believe this, but I have to. I'm going to call myself a Christian, a Bible believing Christian, I kind of have to. I agree one hundred percent, and
I believe. In your email you had mentioned that your sister is mostly awake, and where is she from from one to one hundred hundred being a flat earth or zero to be in a glober And where's she at now? I would probably say she's somewhere between sixty and seventy's. She's definitely accepted that you can't walk away from scripture and not at a minimum think that it's geocentric. That's good, that's interesting, and you know what's really interesting to me?
I had assumed that most people's experiences were like mine, that they were rabbit you know, people that chase the rabbit holes and were into conspiracy theories. And then eventually, you know, whether it be YouTube or rumble or bit shoots, a matter of time before you come across one of the videos, and maybe you're out of videos to watch, so you watch one, or you get an email from somebody and you say, I'll check it out,
and then it's it's history from there. But I'm I've talked to so many people where flat Earth was the first rabbit hole, and it kind of blows me away. I kind of wish that was my first rabbit hole because I think it would help me accept a lot of the other flat or I'm sorry, a lot of the other rabbit holes much more easier, because I think this is the granddaddy of the mall. What are your thoughts on that.
I mean, it definitely is. I mean it's if they can, if they're able to pull it off and get us to believe all this, then I mean, what what can't they do? I mean, if you can ide our very cosmology and creation, I think the skies the limit. And
I wasn't. I wasn't. I would say I was. I've always been kind of skeptical, and like we were talking about before we came on, when I was in Afghanistan in two thousand and six and two thousand and seven, I was kind of when I'd say, I started to wake up a little bit, because I mean, we ran into the camel herders and way out in the mountains, and these these people are as free as it could possibly believe, and we're trying to get them to understand our version of freedom,
and we're arrogant enough to think that that's what they want when I mean they're just living their life, raising their families, hurting their camels. You know, nobody's bothering them except we're bothering them. But I kind of came away from that with a different perspective there. And I mean I remember I was stationed in Germany when nine to eleven happened, and I distinctly remember watching watching the towers fall on TV and thinking to myself, that looks just like
a controlled demolition. That's crazy. But the thought never crossed my mind that we did it to ourselves until years later, when I guess I had time to actually think about it. So you kind of fell into flat earth in twenty seventeen. You had three years left to your retirement at that point is did you still kind of stop there with the rabbit holes and wait till your tired to go down other ones? Or did you start to look at other
things? I kind of I kind of tabled flat earth for a little bit, And I mean it was always there, and I was always watching it and kind of keeping to myself. I had some some buddies. One of them was a he's a black Hawk pilot now, but he was a crew chief and I remember we were driving up to our company headquarters for something and I asked him about like, like how complaints can fly at level and they don't fly off into space right and they're flying like have you ever thought about
that? And they're like gravity holds them down. I'm like, but how do they like gravity just knows to hold the plane at thirty five thousand feet keep going around the curve, Like are you a flat Earth? I'm like, I'm just asking guys, I'm like, I'm just trying to figure this out. Like I was thinking about, it doesn't make sense to me.
And then when you think about gyroscopes and how if you understand how a gyroscope works, have you ever looked into that absolutely that that goes right against their answer, And then you can retort with, well, then if if it's gravity, why isn't the pilot constantly fighting and pulling the plane back up right? How does how does gravity know to keep that plane at exactly thirty five thousand feet? Because I think I think somebody did the math, and the
plane has to be basically being a constant state of descent. If thirth is a ball, then it's got to drop it something like a mile or two miles every minute precisely. And we definitely feel that. You feel when the plane adjust it's outtitude down, even if it's just a couple thousand feet,
But we don't never feel that. No planes leaving Seattle and it's flying to Orlando in it, the pilot cages the gyroscope with level to the runway in Seattle, and then as they go up, the gyroscope kind of rotates back, showing them the attitude of the aircraft and they level back out. But if you're flying over the curve to Orlando, that gyroscope is going to be in a completely different position in Orlando because the level is supposedly different there,
but it's not. That's right. And then again, these are the questions if you ask, that's the first thing. Are you a flat earther? And you just got to say no, I'm just someone who questions everything. And obviously we've been lied to about so much. And this one, you know, many of the other rabbit holes nine to eleven, et cetera, they have a lot of nefarious things behind them, whether it be the Patriot Act or being able to go into other countries and take their resources. But
this one is a big one. This one hides God. This one supports evolution, It supports the Big Bang theory. The Gatekeeper Joe Rogan tweeted this weekend that new science report came out to say that they found the Earth is actually twice as old as formerly believed, almost three billion years old. And again this goes back to you know, if the people need a hero,
we will provide them with one. Right. Yeah, it's and it's like my I was talking to my mom about it when I mean, I haven't brought it up with them for a while, but after I first learned about
it, my Mom's like, well, what does it matter? And I'm like, well, I'm like, if if I can get everybody to believe that they're on a little ball rotating a thousand miles an hour rotate getting around the Sun it was sixty six thousand, six hundred miles an hour, which is spinning around inside our galaxy it lord knows how much hurling through an ever expanding space, then you know your existence is pretty miniscule. I mean, like they tell us, like, we're just here by chance. It doesn't
your existence doesn't matter. But if we're on a flat plane with a firmament that God created for us and he's literally right there, imagine what that understanding would do for people's mental health for everything. I mean, mental health and
depression is just like the big one to me. You know, that really resonated me when you said that, because you know, being in the profession that you and I were both in suicide is you know, twenty two twenty three a day, so they say, And I think that would make a huge difference. And that's the that's the answer or the question we get all the time. Why does it matter. I still have to get up and go to work, do this, do that. But it changes everything.
It changes your perspective. Um you realize that. My thing is you know that this everything is given to us from God, not by man, not by the United States government, not by the state of Delaware, not by the state of Alaska. This is all given to us by God. Absolutely, and and he's literally literally right there. You can look out your window look up, because that's the other thing. It's like we whenever anybody refers to Heaven, we refer to up. I mean that that that direction only
works on a flat plane because I'm pointing up from where I'm at. That's a different up from where you're at. That's right. Does that mean the Christians in Australia are actually looking into into hell when they look when they look up, they're looking down right? Or then you have to then add with other stuff to scripture that's not there and start talking about inter ahead of it is another dimension. But the Bible doesn't tell us that says it's right up
there. Let's say it's another dimension. Two things. I know. I mentioned one on a podcast to this past Monday as we're recording now, But the first one I wanted to mention is and it's funny, not funny, ha ha. But you had mentioned that year Lutheran and just how important the Reformation was to Protestants. But now, in retrospect that I'm a flat earther, I do realize how important he was to geocentric or biblical cosmology. Let's say leave it like that. M yeah, I mean after you, after
you had brought it up. It was a few weeks ago, I went and looked it up because understanding the Because I'm prior to becoming a Lutheran, I never paid much attention to Martin Luther other than okay, he you know, he's the guy that kicked off the Reformation that ultimately separated us from the
papacy, the pope, and the Roman Catholic Church. But there were there were performers before him who were trying to do what he did, but it never took off because it didn't happen in the setting that Martin Luther was able to do it in because he was a university professor, he was a doctor of theology, and a university. The Reformation movement took off as an academic in an academic setting, so he was literally in a university teaching a spying
priests the things that he was teaching and talking to him about. So it was really hard for the pope to crush it. And because of that, much of much of what he talked about, even even his conversations at dinner
time were recorded, which is where the conversation about Copernicus happened. It was around the dinner table, I believe, and somebody had presented and like, all have you heard about you know, this new new model that Copernicus is pushing, and Luther said somebody effective it was a you know, that's that's coming straight from Satan. He's going to stick with what the Bible says. Yeah, that is spot on. And I think that was between fifteen thirty
and fifteen thirty two. I think one of the other reasons that Martin Luther was able to succeed was because of the printing press came about and he was able to, you know, between the nine five theses, and it was a lot easier to spread his word versus trying to get everybody to gather in the town center or in the tavern, or in the church. He was able to spread the word that way, and I do think it helped, even though I think at that time there were still a lot of people who
couldn't read. But I think that had a big part of his success. Yeah, it did. And what was I going to say is say something
else about it? Oh, it was interesting, like when you really get to know the story, he initially wasn't trying to break off like it's kind of funny because he he truly didn't believe the Pope knew the atrocities that were going on, and so he was summoned to to go meet with a cardinal and he thought he was going to meet with the cardinal to relate to the Pope what was going on, but instead they took him there and wanted him
to recant, and he wouldn't do it. And then that's when I need up having the papal bull, which was basically a hit from the Pope put out on him, and then everything else that we know from history happened. But it was just funny that he didn't think the Pope knew what was going on. He thought the Pope was going to thank him for bringing these things to his attention. Yeah, that didn't work out. And that lends to the question I asked you today, what kind of influence do you think the
Pope and the Vatican has on the world affairs today? Oh, it's I think it's far more than we we think or would probably like to know. I mean, it's just why are all the observatories almost all of them owned by the Vatican, and why are they named Lucifer? Yeah? Like what interest does the Vatican have in astronomy? Like, that's not the Church's job. No, no, not whatsoever. Um are you are you currently involved in the church? Yeah, yeah, I am. Have you had the
I don't remember. We've had a lot of conversations, But have you have you had the opportunity to chat with anyone in your church or or your preacher pastor in regards to this the biblical cosmology. I kind of keep it selected to who I bring it up to, who who I think is going to be open to hearing it. I I think my pastor knows. I mentioned it to him and he's he's a big Star Wars fanboy, and he was like, well, yeah, I mean that's that's what our senses tell us
tell us that it's flat, but we know that's not the case. I'm like, okay, I'm not going to go much further with this. Sin Yeah, yeah, I'm the same way I can. I can generally get a receptor on people, and if I can't, I'll float something out. And like you said, when when you get an answer like that, you
know, well, now it's not the time. He's definitely not going to be receiving this well, which again is disappointing because once again, the Bible's pretty clear about how the Earth is and the firmament is a big key. I will say there was another example today. You know, we talk about the King James version versus many of the other versions that are out there.
There's actually versus entire verses that are missing from other like the NIV Matthew eighteen eleven is completely missing and eighteen eleven, and the King James version says for the Son of Man has come to save that which is lost. So it's very interesting. And I've talked to my local pastor because he uses I think something called the ESV, and I've tried to say and this is just my
opinion, you know, I'm not preaching to anyone. It's just my firm belief that I've like yourself, we've been in situations where we've had to have something translated, and you understand, UM, sometimes things are lost in translation. The person doing the translation may have, UM, what am I looking for you here? Here? Yeah? Exactly? So what are your thoughts on that? Yeah? My my understanding of why, um, why those
verses aren't there? When I when I researched it, it came down to, UM, the number of of original manuscripts that that they had that they were working off of that the majority of those manuscripts didn't have those verses in them for one reason or another. Um. So when they so, I guess they printed like the NIV, they didn't put them in there. Um. I prefer not to use the NIV. I use the the ESVD for mine, which I was looking at it today. It was interesting. I
was reading going back and reading Genesis. I think it was one six where it talks about the firmament and it uses the word of expanse. But then in the study notes it it talks about what the Hebrew belief was and it says the original Hebrew word was rakia, which which denotes like something hard and
hammered out. So I mean it was I was appreciative to be able to see that it said that in there, rather than just kind of glossing over and moving on, because I mean, if you're really studying, that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna go and read that and like, Okay, well let me dig into this more and figure out what it means. And I like to go through and bring up on the computer the whatever translation I'm using, and then whatever the original text was in and then try to figure
out what that what that word's talking about. Yeah, that's actually a really great description whatever bibbly have there. That's that's right on. Um. You know, I posted your picture in the forum today on the flat earth files dot com. Yeah, six days ago you sent us um you had taken off from Seattle, you were headed to Georgia a couple of weeks ago. And it's such an incredible picture. I mean, the plane, the horizon
is completely level with the exception of um, what what was that? That was Mount Rainier right, Mount Rainier in the foreground, and then Mount Saint Helen's off in the distance, which I think it was like one hundred miles away. Yeah, that's incredible and you can certainly see Mount Saint Helen's and um the flat horizon. I stared and looked at it for like ten minutes. Today it's at number one. It's just a great picture. I really
love that part. I spent some time up there in Tacoma and I saw a Mount Rainier when my buddy retired a couple of years ago out of JA was at Lewis. I think it's called JBLM now, but just tremendous picture. And if you guys haven't gone to the Flat Earth files dot com, go to show notes for July seventeenth and you'll see the picture that. It's just an incredible picture and it really shows Number one. We can see too
for because the math or see too far. Excuse me. The math says the horizon from your vantage point at a thousand feet should be thirty seven miles away, and that was well past that. Yeah, based on how how the ground looked, I was guessing that was about a thousand feet. I mean, even if even it's off by a little bit, you can still clearly see too far. I mean you're looking one hundred miles away and then
some and you know, not even including the math. The horizon in that picture is I mean, you can see forever and the horizon is straight across. There's no curvature. Again, we can only see too far because of the visibility and pardon me, the atmosphere, etc. But like you said, that's that's one hundred miles and that's just it's just to me, it's an unbelievable picture. It's great. Yeah, and we I mean people look
at that and like, oh wow, that's a cool picture. I think I showed somebody at work and I'm like, yeah, I'm that crazy. How far we can see? Like I think about Saint Hell should behind the curve a little bit. Hm, that's cool, that's all you got. Huh, that's cool. Uh yeah, that that is a very difficult thing. We've talked about it many times, and I don't know if you've I know you said you've talked to your sister, and I think you've mentioned it
to your mom um. Number one, how many folks have you I guess, what's your what's your ratio? How many people have you talked to? How many people have bought in? And then have you found Is it just a matter of the person being receptive or is there a certain delivery or a certain piece of evidence that helps you introduce the flat Earth to people. Um, A lot of it, I think is it has to be the mindset of where the person's at. Like my sister was already pretty conspiracy minded.
My buddy at work that is I'm working on, he's already kind of doesn't trust government. An he's a Christian, so that helps too. When I was in Kansas recently, I was talking with a buddy of mine. I haven't seen him in ten years, and I thought I would would drop it
on him because he's he's a solid Bible believing guy. But as as we talked for probably an hour about it, you can see just how how deep the programming goes, because like I was describing it to him, like the plane and the dome, and he's like, and he literally asked me, He's like, so it's okay if we're on a plane covered by a dome. It's like, what about the rest of the planets in the Solar System
they're all spheres. I'm like, you're missing it, man, I'm like, we're not in There is no solar system, like this is it. I'm like, God's literally up there. Like the Bible tells us the stars and the wandering stars are placed inside the firmament, they're not. There's nothing. There's no solar system, no space beyond the fermament. It's not there that beyond the Fermament's heaven, and it was He agreed to look into it when we're when we were done. But I mean, it's it's such a
multi faceted thing to to have to comprehend. I mean you can't just I mean you could just go with the Bible, but I mean NASA that plays a major role into it. You have to understand that everything NASA is putting out as a lie. I mean that that was the moon landing was the second one, So flat Earth was the first one, and then for me, the moon landing came and that was easy to throw out. That was
literally the conversation I had with my sister. I'm like, I'm not sure we actually went to the moon, and I think the Earth is flat. In fact, I know we didn't go to the moon. I'm pretty sure the Earth is flat. Yeah, that's uh, it's an easy, easier one to debunk for sure, but I think some people are too quick to issue it like, well, they faked the moon landing, but there's no way the earth is flat. Um. You know, once someone lies to
you, you have to you have to literally quite and everything. It's the only fair thing to do. And the next thing I want to mention to you is you're someone who is in the military for a long time, um, And something that I can speak to is how compartmentalization works. And I think that's how NASA works. Would you agree, Oh yeah, trying to like even and that that that concept actually works really good with with military guys.
Like I had a had a soldier that I was talking to one time, and he was I think he was raised Roman Catholic and he was kind of leaning more on the atheist side, and I think I explained to him, I'm like, I'm like no, I'm like, look at him, like, if you're on the battlefield, you know you've got your battlespace, you know, think of that like your little your little piece of the map,
Magan, so that's what you see. Like then the commander has the company's battlespace, so he sees the company portion of the map and the battalion commander has the battalions battle space and brigade and so on and so forth, and so as it gets bigger and bigger, those entities see more of what's really going on. But down on the ground level, the individual people at whatever level they're working at, they only see what they're supposed to see,
and they only know what they're supposed to know. It's one hundred percent. And you know, we'd got our battalion meetings when we were down range. The S one they're living in their little bubble all day. They'd give their little reports, who's up to date on of all, you know, vaccines and things of that PT. The S two would give their little intel report. They'd be sitting there watching the cameras all day and they'd get their local
intel. The S three would talk about all the operations gone on. The S four would give you know, the log updates and when the next resupply was coming. Everyone S six gave the COMMO update first. Arden's gave right the PT. Who's yellow, who's green, who's red? With weapons and everything, Everyone has their own little piece of the pie. And you know whether depending on how what kind of leadership team you had sometimes you had meetings
weekly. When you're downrange, you had them every day. But everybody just had their little piece of the pie to focus on. And I imagine that's exactly what goes on in NASA, and very maybe a handful, maybe just with the number of fingers on your hand, maybe five people actually know what's
going on. And I guarantee you they're either a in a secret society or be they've been corrupted allah Jeffrey Epstein style yep, and they've been paid off tons of money and to keep quiet about it, because I mean, you know that, you know, the individual astronauts have to know. Oh sure, YEA often wondered like what what are they being told? Like it didn't I wonder if they know why they're faking it. They definitely know they're faking it, But I wonder if they know why they're faking it, why it
has to be this way? You know. I've asked myself that many times. And I think to the Illuminati and the people who control the earth, they believe Lucifer is the good guy because they freed Adam and Eve. God had them in this little prism in prison in the garden that they invert everything.
And I do believe that these people they're helping humanity because they're told if they find out that they're in this giant snow globe with no escape, humanity wouldn't be able to handle it. You were actually helping the people on Earth. I think that's probably how they're delivering it to them. And then they
probably show them a video of Gus Grissom getting burned up. You know, Oh, by the way, this is what happened to the guy who went against us, And then they show him the story of the investigator who found out about it, how they killed him and his life and his stepdaughter on the train track. So I think it's a little bit of both. But I mean, who knows. That's just what I That's what I guess. Yeah, I mean that certainly could be. Eventually we'll find out, we'll
find out in the end. Absolutely we all know how the story ends for sure, and we will know for end. But yeah, they have to know that, they absolutely have to know. I've heard number everywhere from one thousand to eight thousand the total number of people on Earth who who actually know what's going on. And one of the things I can't remember the gentleman I had on I don't know why his name escapes me, Bart Sabrell And when he was interviewing a astronaut, and as he was leaving, they rushed him
out so quickly. Bart forgot to take his microphone off one of the astronauts and his son was standing next to him and it was still rolling, and the guy said, Hey, do you want me to call the sea and have them knocked off or something like that? If they really went to the moon. Why would anybody say anything like that? Yeah, definitely. Um, well it's another one. Oh have you ever have you seen the sixteenth century Mercader map and it's depiction of the North Pole. I think we've talked.
What was the name of the map again? How do you spell it? I think it's the Mercader map? And is this the one I know that one of the maps out there an artica looks green like at one time it used to be uh, you know, walkable. But I mean, who knows. But the Mercader map that was from the mid sixteen hundreds.
Um, where is this the one where an article looks huge? But there's one The one I'm thinking of is of the North Pole and how it has how it shows it green and vegetation, and then like four rivers coming out of where the North Pole would be. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm looking at it now. Yeah, it is neat. How Africa looks almost exactly how it looks today, and then North America and South America with the exception of Mexico, looks completely different than it looks today.
An Arctica looks much larger. And the North Pole You're right, it's got it looks like it's got four rivers, but they all kind of have veins coming off. Very interesting. So my thought with that, I like to think about things logically, and if if we're on a flat plain covered by a dome and God created this for us, it seems logical to me that he would have placed Adam and even the Garden of Eden directly in the center
of his creation. That makes complete sense. And h m hm, And I mean that that the that's where the tigress and euphrates me, right, I wonder what the is that what you're alluding to? Yeah, like it like just speculating that because I clearly have no evidence for it other than just following a logical path. But when we when we build things or when we
create something that we we generally start from the middle and work out. And it seems logical to me that God would have placed the Garden of Eden right smack dab in the middle of his creation. That's right. That is interesting and it is a very you know, people when they think of Iraq and Baghdad, they think, um, you know, desert, desolate, tumble
weeds. But exactly where the tigris and euphrates meat, it is lush, there's palm trees and it you know, it empties out into the Persian golf there and it is certainly not like Naseria and some of the other places we were in. That was moon dust and with sand and desolate. That was a very beautiful part of the world. Did you ever spend time in Baghdad? Oh yeah, yeah, I did fifteen months in Baghdad. So I was on Camp Justice, okay, which is where Saddam was humming, yep.
And it was a little sidebar. But directly outside the gate there's a shrine. It's in the maybe you bring it up on Google Earth. You can just look up Katamiya and right aside the gate and there's a shrine in
so I was. I was there and in two thousand and seven and eight came back for a year, went back to the same camp the next deployment, and both both times I was there, I witnessed this and like I so, as you're walking towards the gate at night, the shrines right there, and I would see At first I thought they were flares, but it was like a red ball, and they would slowly come down and go into the shrine area, and they would come back up and take off towards the
left. I think that would be towards the south. And I watched this many nights, and nobody could tell me what they were. I got with our guys with the big blimp in the eye and the sky to see if they were seeing anything. They couldn't see it on any of their cameras. I got video of it somewhere. I grabbed some of our locals, our interpreters when I was seeing them be like, hey, I'm like, look at that. What is that? They're like, I don't know, I've
never seen that before. I'm like, how am I hear from my second deployment and I'm seeing it again and nobody else is seeing this, And like I don't. I don't know if there were you a few of foes or what. But it was just interesting that these red lights would come down out of the sky into that shrine and then come back up and go off in the other direction. Yeah. That and kind of me that that's one of the oldest towns in Iraq, which I mean, it goes back a long
long time. I don't do you know how old some of those shrines are. Did they go back to like the seventh and eighth centuries? Possibly? I don't know. I never looked into it. Let me let me google
that shrine real quick. Yeah, it's amazing seeing those palaces for I'm sure you felt the same way when you saw because I think said, I'm had what five palaces throughout the country, and to walk in them and see the chairs, the aisles, and the time and effort and what it took to put in these places, they're just, for lack of a better words, they were majestic. I mean, they were incredible things to look at. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a lot of money put into some of
those places. It's funny. I remember crossing the Bermu from Kawait and Iraq and there was people literally living in mud huts with with like straw and mud together, and kids barely have any clothes on. And then you roll and you see these mosques and the you know, his his palaces. It's just, oh, my goodness, gracious. But like you said, these people, um, by the way, that mosque, the academy at mosque I
think is on thirty three degrees latitude north. Oh. Of course that didn't tell me anything up front right now on it, but it's yeah, it was really interesting because I used to and I mean just because he become a flat Earth, it doesn't mean he still can't enjoy like sci fi stuff. He said, you just watch it for what it is. Yeah, you watch it's entertainment. Because I used to watch the ancient alien stuff all the
time, and I never I never really agree with them. I always was of the mindset of, okay, whatever, whatever these things are to me, their demonic. Like my buddy worked at retired this year. He like he's all all into UFOs and interdimensional stuff, and and he knows I'm a flat Earth and he's like, well, what do you what do you think about that? As a Christian? I'm like, like, I think there's stuff flying around. I just I just think it's demonic. I don't think
it's anybody from another planet. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. I think a lot of it is demonic. And um, whether or not? What what are your thoughts on Antarctica? And do you think there's a chance that there's land beyond the ice wall or do you think there's maybe continents? You know that there's that huge expanse in the Pacific Ocean where maybe there is actually another continent over there. For me, the jury still out. I mean I read the Iron Republic. M I thought that thought that
was interesting. Um, I just don't I just don't see how our sun, which I mean it's possible it could shine beyond the ice wall and there certainly could be could be a continent's out. I mean the I mean, if you look at the generally accepted flat Earth, the map the Pacific Ocean is gigantic. Absolutely, I mean there could be stuff out there that remains hidden from us. When I tell people, I asked him like, do you know how many miles Captain Cook log circum navigating an Arctica? And I
tell him it was What was it like sixty thousand miles? Yeah, yeah, And I'm like, you know what the circumference of the Earth is at the equator? Like, well, twenty five thousand. I'm like yeah, Like, so how did he log sixty thousand miles trying to circum navigate an artica? Yeah? I think should have been probably like fifteen thousand. Yeah, that's a math problem that cannot be solved. There another piece of evidence in your face. What are you going to do? Doesn't make sense,
not at all. I wanted to ask you. I mean, you've retired and you're doing your thing now, but how do you reflect upon your service? I mean we all knew that, you know, we always jokes, we'd send kids about Uncle Sam and things of that nature. But now, knowing what you know and knowing what I know, I'm trying to think the best way to ask this question. How do you go about your day?
What does patriotism mean to you? And where does Christianity do you? Kind of see where I'm getting at. I'm really doing a terrible job asking this question. Like, to me, I'm a patriot, but I don't trust my government. I'm all about preserving this place for my children and grandchildren. But I don't think as much as I love this country, I do not think the people who in charge have the best interest of my family in mind.
So what do you think about that? So I think kind of remember how the quote goes, but it's something to the effect of questioning your government is the highest form of patriotism, something that effect. But I mean, you know as well as I And at the end of the day, when we're over in Iraq and Afghanistan wherever else we're fighting, we're we're fighting for the guy to our right and left, We're we're not really fighting for our government. At the end of the day. That that's that's all you got
is a guy you're left and right. If the government can leave you there, they probably will. Um. And it's I mean, I'm I'm okay with it. I've made I've made peace with every everything I've been through and done. And uh, I think some of this stuff is harder for the
older generation. Like my dad was in Vietnam and I I told my brother and I'm like, I don't I don't know if Dad knows that what happened at the Bay of Tonkin was a complete ruse, because I mean, those guys if you told them that their entire purpose of being in Vietnam was based on a flat out lie. And the guy that orchestrated the lie, his son is literally writing the music that you're listening to. Yeah, while over they're getting shot at and killed. How insane is that? I mean,
it's like, you can't make that stuff up. I say all the time. You could take this to a Hollywood director and they'd be like, you're out of your mind. That reality, you know, overlies the truth or the you know, fiction, and all of these stories we talk about, you know not you go back to a desert storm that the young lady from Kuwait saying how the children were being tossed out of the incubators. That was all based on a false premise, And people say, well, you know
it worked out only one hundred and twenty nine people died. But you know what, I challenge anybody to google the fourteenth quartermaster out of the state of Pennsylvania, who was only in country for six days when they got hit by Scott and two thirds of their unit. We're completely either dead or maimed. And we were a mile away from where that happened. And all of these
things. There's always someone who gets hurt, and you know, it's just you know, I put it in my I try to put it in my rear view mirror, but I still get very angry, you know, mostly because of the people who were harmed over there, and also for all the
time that was taken away from me and my family. You know, I'm thankful that my wife was strong enough to handle being away from each other for all that time, fifty one months in Iraq and six months in the Baltic nine months in Kuwait, and all the train you know how you've got to go to JARRETC and TC for thirty days to get the check off that you're
good to go, and the field training. But at the end of the day, I, you know, you, I and each and every one of us, And obviously we fought for ourselves, our buddies on the left on the right. We took care of our soldiers, made sure they got home. That was the most important thing, got home in one piece, even though it's really hard to bring a soldiers home in the state of mind it was before they go over there. But we do our best to take
care of them. That's one I think one thing that people who've never been in the military don't understand is what really taking care of your soldier means. And the other thing I always found very intriguing about the military is you could meet a guy you know that's your battle buddy, you haven't known him for thirty seconds, and you guys are dependent on each other, your lives are at stake. You know, you trusted each other, you shake hands and
your instant buddies you don't. It's a completely different animal than anything else in the world. And I think that's what was really special about it in my heart, the people and the people I met during my twenty four years. Yeah, my wife always I always said it was hard to make friends with civilians. But you go somewhere and you get stationed there, you know you're only going to be there for three years. And my wife always said it was like, Hi, this is me, this is who I am,
this is my dirty laundry. Do you want to be my friend or not? Because I'm only going to be here for three years. I don't. I'm time to get to know you, but I need a friend now. In the military. Spouse is like, that's that's how they do things on the civilians side, it's like, oh, well, let me, let me get to know you for a few years, decide if I'm really going to open up to you or not. And she's like, I don't have
that kind of time. I need a friend now. And you know, it's funny you can almost correlate that to people who are kind of I guess we'll call it awake right. One of the most common emails I get is, you know, ever since I've been awake, I've kind of veered away from a lot of my friends. They're not interested into my interests now, which is being awake and flat earth and things of that nature. And I kind of found myself in the same the same way. I mean, I
still have friends, but I'm passionate about these type of things. I mean enough to the point I got a podcast, But yeah, it's my passion. And to me, as I've gotten older, the truth is everything, and it's you know, more important than sports, movies, TV. And I know there's a time and a place for all that stuff. We all need distractions life as a b as they say, and it's important that you share time with your family, your friends, and you just can't be twenty
four to seven down the rabbit hole. But at the same time, one thing when you take that red pill and you lose that common interest with friends, and sometimes that can mean not having as many friends as you used to. Is that something that you've ran into it all? Not a whole lot. I mean, is as I've retired and gotten older, eminem still young. I'm only forty two. No, I'm forty, but you're yeah, I'm forty two. I kind of enjoy just being a homebody now and doing
doing my thing, and I've got I've got a few friends close. But I mean the part of the you were talking about being away from your family, and I don't know if you your experience was the same. It's like, I think it made our relationship with my wife stronger because we spent so much time away. You're forced to to to use I mean, the times we were deployed. It was a lot of writing letters in Afghanistan and stuff.
But you're forced to write out your feelings and connect emotionally instead of physically, which really draws you closer together and makes you stronger. Was that your
experience A thousand percent? A thousand percent? And I on any given day, you know we'd go to the chow hall or we'd be back at the chew or and you to find out that somebody's wife left them and they were just miserable, and you know, as bad as my heart bled for them, and to see a guy who was and listen, you, you have to be of sound mind to be down range because it can cost you your life. You don't want to be driving down MSR Tampa or Route Irish worried
about what's going on. You have to be focused because it couldn't mean your life. And to see somebody going through that was number one devastating to me. But it also made me extremely thankful to have my wife by my side because I knew that she would be there and that was something I didn't have to worry about and I could focus on my mission. We became. Yeah,
it did make us our relationship stronger than ever. The only thing was, you know, I was a year on, year off, year on, year off, year on, year off from three to twelve, and everything was a countdown. Like when you left, it was you had a three sixty five calendar to get home, and then when you got home, you had a three sixty five calendar to leave again. But you you made
every moment special and that's what I remember. The trips to Disney or whatever we decided to do after we redeployed during that time off, it was special. And you know, there's something very special about the plane landing. You know, you get your bags and you go back, and that reception with your family is just there's no other feeling that can describe the first time after not seeing your loved one for three hundred and sixty five or one case,
four hundred and fifty five days. It's just amazing. Yeah, I was in what I was in Afghanistan. We got extended, and I was we were already back at Bogram and they came and woke me up. He said, go get your guys. We got to go down and meet the chaplain at the at the chapel, Like what what's going on? Is like, we've been extended. I'm like, ah, come on, you're joking with me. What is a C seventeen waiting for us? Ready to go? He's like, no, we've been extended. We're going back. And I
remember my wife telling me how she found out. So my two older boys were in. My oldest son was a Tiger Cub and Cub Scouts and they were visiting the news station in Watertown and somebody had leaked out that Tenth Mountain was being extended for another six months in Afghanistan. And they asked, are there any four Drum families here and she's like, yeah, I work from Port Drum and Boom put the camera on her asked her, how do you
feel about the news that your husband's being extended to stay in Afghanistan? And she she played it off like a pro good army wife, told him that you know, they tell you this upfront, that it could happen, and you just had to be prepared for it. Um, everything's gonna be fine. And so when I talked to her, when I finally got to call her, like, I was worried about her because she's been there with uh that was two thousands, six year old and a four year old, you
know, for the last year. And I went early, so I was there extra long, and she's worried about me, and I'm worried. I was worried. I'm like, I'm gonna be fine. I'm worried about you. She's like, I'm gonna be fine. I'm worried about you. It's just you know, not many, not many wives could handle that. No
guys back at Fort Drum already they got turned around and sent back. I remember they did that to the third idea in Iraq that they you got, those guys were the first one in and you know, things slowed down, and they you're going home. And they went down to the port and of course that's when the insurgency started and they said, nope, you're not going
home, We're bringing you back. I mean, imagine, you know, driving back down on Tampa into Kuwait, cleaning your equipment, getting ready to catch your ride home, and then being told by the way nope, you're going back to Iraq. I mean, just those type of things. You've really got to be mentally strong, mentally tough, and expect the unexpected and nothing is guaranteed when you're in the army, you know, I miss it.
I well, I missed the camaraderie. I miss the misery, right, some of the things, you know, the burning of when you're out the middle of nowhere, living in austere environments and things of that nature, you really appreciate the niceties of the things you have back home. When you're living on a cod or you're sleeping in a humbaeding MRIs for a year. So it does make you appreciate the little things a little more. Yeah, have you have you listened to any of cro Triple seven stuff? I have
to be honest with you. That was one of the very first things after I met David Weiss. That was one of the very first podcasts I've ever listened to. It was David Weiss and Crow Triple seven. It was like two hours long. And I don't listen to him enough, just because I'm busy most time actually working on my stuff. I do need. He's awesome. He's tremendous. Shoot the Moon video say that warmer time. Have you watched his Shoot the Moon video? I think I watched it several years ago.
Like the lunar wave, I guess is what it is. Refresh my memory. So he so he used a really nice, expensive telescope and then puts his camera on it and videos the moon and he's like a couple of times he's caught it, and somebody else in Houston caught it. But from the bottom of the moon to the top, it looks like a ripple goes up to the top of the moon and it happens twice, and I thought, wait for me. In my viewpoint, I thought it was interesting almost
like it's the water. Yeah. Absolutely, And if you zoom in on like Saturn or an eat the stars, you know what they show you on the NASA website and what you see through that telescope, it does look like you're right that it is in water and it's kind of like you said, reverberating or whatever it is. Yeah, I need to go find is that on his website or did he actually do a YouTube video on that? You
can find it on YouTube. It's also if you so I just pay the whatever It is a couple dollars a month to subscribe to his website so I can get the full two hours on his podcasts. But if you do that, you also get to watch the whole movie and high definition for free. Oh there, yeah, okay, I'll put this in the show description as well. I got it copied and linked. I'll drop that in there, and I'll drop all his videos so y'all can check that out because he does
a tremendous job. Oh yeah, and the other thing I did that was kind of solidified it for me was when I I saw the I saw something somebody talking about the moon putting out a cold light, and already had a infrared laser, so I decided I'd wait for a full moon and go out and do it myself. And I did it myself, and sure enough, the moonlight was three to four degrees colder than in the shadows. Isn't that
crazy? Like how in heck does that work? Then to find out they've actually developed cold lasers, I'm like, oh, well, I guess it makes sense. There you go. And the Bible says the Sun gives off of the moon, gives off its own light. And that was another big one for me because I did go back and read Genesis about fifty times during that two weeks during my We'll call to transformation from somebody who I thought was awake because you know, bro, I knew the Gulf of Tonk and was
I was set up. You know, I thought I was wide awake, But you know, you don't really realize that you're awake until again, the grand daddy of them all, flat Earth. It's just it's something, It
is absolutely something. And then they tell us all the science has been settled and recently, I started going to the Library of Congress's website and pulling up old newspapers because you can go search like what type of document and a year range and go back into the early twentieth century, late nineteenth century, and clearly people were still debating this back then. You know, it's it's funny that saying the science is settled. We heard that an awful lot the last
few years. Didn't we We did trust the science, and that seems that there's a lot of regret. I don't like using the word vaccine regret. That sounds like I told you so, But I mean, to be honest, there's just a lot of people who feel like they've been duped, and true science is never ending the question. You should never just say that's it. You know, outside of two plus two is four and water is wet, you should always continue to challenge the narrative. That's science. Yeah,
testable and repeatable. Absolutely keep repeating. So far. Every time I get in an airplane, I take a picture of the horizon looks flattened. I can see too far. And the picture that you shared with us on the website today one percent proves that, and it is exciting as it was to see Mount Raineer and Mount Saint Helen's. I was blown away by the completely level, flat horizon that nobody, and I mean nobody can deny and that
should be an eye opener for everyone. Yeah, so i'd just written down for a side note, Um, did you have you ever watched the show The Last of the Last Frontier The Homesteaders down in Homer. I have not watched it, No, I have not. So yeah, there's the Kilture family jewel. Kilchre is actually the one the daughters the singer jewel. But so it was I it was like the summer of twenty twenty we went down there to go tour the homestead. And so I want to be learned the
story. So if any of your listeners have ever watched the show, they'll know who I'm talking about. So I found this part really interesting and hearing the story about how they got here, So you'll kilt Your originally homesteaded the homestead down in Homer. And in nineteen thirty six he had he had gotten a bachelor's degree, I think it was in Switzerland, and he was studying
the rise and fall of civilizations and he noticed a correlation between whenever. Whenever societies grow so big and you have a lot of people living close together, eventually a collapse happens. And in nineteen thirty six he was seeing that starting to happen, and so him and some other people decided to go to different parts of the world and try to find a place to start a new idealistic community. And you will kilt you ended up coming up to Homer, Alaska.
He found the land, the area, and they went back to Switzerland for a short time to try to persuade other like minded people to leave and emigrate to Alaska with them. And the lady who ended up becoming his wife.
She was a ballet dancer and I think she's sang opera too. But when they were getting to leave was when Hitler started his invasions, and her mother gave her all the life savings of the family they had in the coffee can and told her to go. And so when they both when they got up here to Homer and everybody else was supposed to show up, they were the only two that managed to get out of Europe, And so then they decided to get married, you know, got their land, started homesteading,
and the family has kind of lived that same homesteading lifestyle, you know here close to a hundred years later. But I just thought it was interesting when I was hearing that story from his granddaughter, who knows his daughter about how his theory that when societies get too many people in a small space, eventually everything collapses and people need to move to places where they're less densely populated. And then sure enough, Hitler kicks off World War two, or so we're
told. Yeah, and that's very interesting because if you remember in nineteen thirty six, that time, the Great Depression was still very much fresh in their minds. That was just six or seven years after one of the worst financial
collapses in our history. And then on top of that, to realize, you know, the cities and the situation, what a smart move to go somewhere where they know, no matter how badly things can get, they'll be able to survive on fish, on nature, because again, everything is out there for you to survive on. When you live in a city, if
your grocery store is out of food, then you're out of food. When you live in the suburbs or a rural area where there's plenty of fishing and hunting, you're going to have a much better chance of survival, and you normally see people much more healthy and happy. And this goes complete full circle to the very beginning of the podcast. As we mentioned, you know, our way, America's way of freedom versus the Bedouins that are living in the
desert raising their families. They're not the same version of freedom or happiness. And it's awful, um high and mighty of us to say, look, now you're going to get our version of freedom and you're gonna like it. Yep, You're gonna like it whether you like it or not. That's right. And there's something and I know you're you're homesteadying yourself. By the way I meant to ask you, is either you or your wife from Alaska? Is there a reason why you guys? Is that why you guys went back
to Alaska after you're retired? No, I was. I was stationed up here before they moved me to Florida, and so I retired out of Florida. And this is where the kids still had the most connections. And the typical pro and conchart of where we want to retire, this is where I mean, the benefits here are for veterans are great. Most states you have to be one hundred percent to get like property tax exemptions. Alaska you only have to be fifty percent rad So I don't pay any property tax except on
my cabin that I rent out. Are you serious? Yeah, thinking about coming to Alaska now, aren't you? Yeah, that's a big deal. I mean, we had it bad in Texas. You know, every state seems to have his catches. Like Delaware, there's no sales tax, but there's a there's a high income tax, state income tax, and of course there's the property taxes, which are okay, they're not terrible compared to many
other states. But I mean the thing is what people don't realize. It's when they're working and have a regular paycheck, and they're younger and they're doing well, they don't really consider property taxes. But when you get to a certain part of your life, into your sixties or whatever, when you're on a we'll call a fixed income, property taxes mean can mean a huge difference in your quality of life. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't.
We don't pay property tax, so I'm not leasing my property from the government. If your vehicle seven year years or older, you can put a permanent registration on it and never have to pay for registration again. No income tax, sales tax isn't done at the state level, list done at the individual municipal level. We can that it's going on right now, our dip next season. So Alaska is big on subsistence hunting and fishing and personal use.
So Alaskan residents, I'm waiting to do it here. As soon as the salmon run gets a little bit stronger, go out to the river to the ocean and stick a four foot net out in the water, and I can drag sixty salmon out of the river for my family and play that up, put it in the freezer, and we got fresh fish all winter. Because under the state constitution, the natural resources all belong to the citizens of the
state. So the oil companies with the stated as, they set up a investment called the Permanent Fund, and it's it's up in the billions right now, and if it it only has like a little bit more to go, and it'll be able to fund all of state government solely off of the dividends of that. And then each Alaskan resident, man, woman and child, doesn't matter how old you are, gets check based on how well the permanent fund does. So as long as the permanent funds making money, Alaska residents
get a dividend check. Like last year it was like three thousand dollars per person, So a fear family of ten, that's thirty thousand dollars you get in October for budding oil companies pump your oil out of the ground. Wow, there'sre's a lot of benefits to it. Yeah, there's there, certainly is. That's amazing. We considered it. We've never been there though. That's that's the one outside of Alaska and the two Dakota is that they're like
the three states I've never never been to. I need to get up there some time and check it out because that makes a big difference. But then again, you know, who knows what tomorrow brings, and it's difficult with family here. But those things are again very important, especially as you get older. The fact that there's no property tax and I'm I'm well over fifty percent myself, that would be huge. That's interesting. That's something to think
about for sure. Yeah, And I mean it depends on what Our kids have only got one left in the house and he's only got three more years left. I mean, if our kids don't stay here, I might not stay here. I mean it's all, it's all a give and take sacrifice. Absolutely, if I want to be around my kids and have a yard full of my kids kids, you know, I might have to back up and move close to where they're at. Yeah, maybe I can talk them into up there. When they hear about the checks, maybe that might that
might appease them. But I love to fish, man, I love to fish. I just walk up the street hanging left. There's a little fishing hole down there. I could fish all that. I would love to fish up there. I would love to fish salmon. The last couple of years when my friends has come up to fish, and last year he came up and we same thing. I just drive five minutes down the road and I can go drop my line in the water. We drove down and we got out of the truck and I'm like, ah, man, I left my
left my waiters at home. He's like, okay, I'll just start fishing. So I literally drove five minutes back home, grabbed my waiters, drove back. I walked up there and he's got a rod snapped in half and he's pulling in his six fish, so he's limited out already, jeez, and he's like, well, I just bought this. I'm like, we'll just run it back to the store, which is another five minutes down the
road. Like, I'll sit here and fish. So we takes a truck, drives down there, swaps the rod up, comes back and I've got my limit. We're going home. Is that per day? Six? Yep? Six per day? Wow? And I'm assuming that you probably get your fishing license for free being a veteran, Yes, lifetime. That's outstanding. Wow. Well, I guess I'll be googling living in Alaska now for the
next couple of days to check that out, watch the videos. I'm always yeah, absolutely, we're lucky to be where we're at, but um, we're also in one of those places where if things go sideways, it may not be the greatest place to be, even though we're we're in a more rural area. But there's many people who say if things go sideways, the rural people would be the ones who get will be in the target because we're the we have the food and you know, we literally my wife has already
pulled out fifty pounds of cucumbers. We have the chickens eggs. So yeah, like you said, there's pluses and minuses everything, but of course at the top of the list is family and being able to see them because nothing can really replace that. Um, this this ninety minutes has just blown by. Is there anything that you had written down that we hadn't discussed yet? Um, I got some stuff, but I can I can just run through. Yeah, go ahead, you know what the what the top evidences were
that that really kind of did it for me? Okay? UM. NASA freely admits their space images or composites. NASA admits they lost the technology to go to the Moon. NASA admits they can't figure out how to get past the vent al and radiation belts, even though they said they did it in the sixties and seventies. Um. If you're new to the podcast, UM, and you haven't heard about the Challenger crew, go look into that one.
That one will be raising some eyebrows. UM. Gyra's scopes. If you learn how those work and how they work in a plane, I'll tell you we're not on the ball. We can clearly see too far. If you haven't been to the top of Pike's Peak. Go to Colorado, drive to the top of Pike's Peak and on a clear day, look at how far you can see, no doubt. And or even if you don't want to do that, you could even climb out of Two Springs and Colorado Springs
and check that out as well. You can see you forever there m flight paths or another one. Um, look at the look at the sun rays when they poked through the clouds and you can see it. That also tells you the Sun's not ninety three million miles away. You know. That's that's one of the more underrated pieces of evidence, I'll tell you. Yeah. I use that one on my son, like like, look at how those razor coming out like a triangle. I'm like, how's that? How does
that work if the sun's ninety three million miles away? And he's like it shouldn't. I'm like, you're right, it's close. Yeah. And you being in both Afghanistan and you've said you've been to Colorado as well, right, you understand the difference of being sunburnt at five thousand feet versus you know,
five hundred feet, right, Oh my gosh. Yeah, And Afghanistan would run around the mountains at ten thousand feet, and that sun is so hot, like even even here in Alaska, even know I'm at sea level, just based on where the sun is up closer to us in its circuit around the tropic like it might their temperture might only be sixty five degrees, but that sun bakes makes you feel like you're in eighty degrees. Right, And if if the sun were ninety three million miles away, a couple of
thousand feet shouldn't make a difference, right, that shouldn't matter exactly. Stars don't change. I've gotten many videos or many photos off my front porch in the wintertime when it's nice and clear, and the big dippers in the exact same spot off my front porch as it was the last year and the year before. Um. That's when I use for people like, if we're hurling through an ever expanding space, why are our stars the same? Why have
they never changed all throughout history? Um? Oh, Dave Weiss's sun fade out video. Have you seen that? Yes? Yes, it's just just it doesn't go down, it disappears. Yeah, it just goes out and then just boop, it's off. That's a that's a that's a great one. Um. The other one, Um, if you go and look at the like the all the NASA documents and other government documents that say a flatten, non rotating earth is assumed. I talked to my wife about that one,
and she's like, well, maybe just makes the math easier. I'm like, well, these are rocket scientists, and they can't factor in the supposed known wrote patient and curvature of the Earth. They're just gonna like omit that out of simplicity. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can't pick and choose when you're going to use your equations and when you're gonna use science
or not. Either use it all the time or you're not. Yeah, I mean I would think if you're shooting a rocket from we'll say the Persian Gulf up to Missool, you might want to know how fast the Earth is rotating and how much curvature there is to be able to correctly calculate where you're going to hit that target a thousand percent. The mortar men and those guys that don't take that into effect or into account, I shoul say, Yeah, those are just my big, big, big proofs that really solidified it.
Yeah, that the one I like to show people, and the one that you mentioned is probably my most favorite go to is I'll play that ten second clip of that moron Don petted. We'd go back to the Moon in a nanosecond if we had the technology. When I show that to people, it's kind of like how you you told them when you showed them that picture, They're like huh. And then I think it challenges their lifetime of programming, and they it fries their brain and they just back away and leave,
because that is very telling. There's no technology in a world that we've ever gone backwards in. Yeah, never, never. And then I hear people say like, like, man, it's amazing that we went to the Moon with more technology than we have in our cell phones, Like that's incredible. I'm like, because we didn't. I think there was more technology and an
Atari twenty six hundred. I think that's what they said. There was more technology and Anatari twenty six hundred than that what was in the Apollo eleven computer system. Because one of the guys at work heat like, he's he's right there with moon landing was a hoax, and he's a Christian too, and he knows he knows I'm a flat earther. And he came in one day and he's like, all right, Dave. He's like right here. He's like, it says that God looks down upon the circle of the Earth.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, it does. He's like, it's a circle. I'm like, yeah, yes, circle. Indeed, that is a different Hebrew word than is used elsewhere describing a sphere. It's literally talking about a circle, not a ball. That's right. And if you look at the antartic wall, it is a circle. Mhm. Yeah, yeah, A big difference between circle a cognitive dissonance just never surprises. Yep. Well, hopefully we can drop enough breadcrumbs and break that cognitive dissonance and enough
people that we can demand a refund from NASA. I don't never that'd be a nice paycheck, although yeah, you're right, of course it will never happen. And modern day Tower of Babbles, all those people are yeah, just a slush fund for all the other black projects. Oh one thousand percent, of course, yeah, you can. You know, there's only so many people that can make a part for Space Shuttle, so they're able to charge as much as they want. They can take that money and like you
said, fund their black ops. YEA, indeed, indeed as well. It's been a tremendous ninety minutes visiting you. I'm so glad that you've reached out. We've been chatting via email for quite some time. It's been nice to finally sit down and have a conversation with you. I'd like to revisit it again down the road, and I'd like to give you this last minute or two to you know, to close out however you would like to, sir, sure, I'd just like to say upfront that is a is a
Christian. This this is by no means selvific in any manner, whether you believe we're on a ball or in a snow globe Truman Show type thing doesn't doesn't have any bearing on one's salvation. Um. I think we all need seem to make sure we understand that. Um. But two, if if you're going to believe scripture for what it says and not what people are telling you it says, UM, you're gonna have some some reading ahead of you.
If you haven't already come to the understanding of how the Bible describes where we live and on that road, just go and look at some of the stuff we've talked about. Um, the truth will be right there, ready to slap you in the face and show you that we've all been lied to
for for many years. And this is, in fact, what what the ancient Hebrews believed about where we lived, and I venture to say probably first century Christians believed about where we lived, and many many other ancient civilizations understood this is where we're at. And once you once you understand where you're at, you can kind of figure out where you need to go from there.
I couldn't agree more. And many people think that while we have advanced technologies that were way smarter than the people of yesteryear, I'm not sure if I believe that. Again, we are technologically advanced, and with time we should be. But I think there were people back in the day who knew a lot more than we do how the world worked, and the wonders right,
they could use things right out of the ground for medicines. These days they want you to take a medicine that doesn't fix the root of the cause, It just covers it right, It disguises the problem or the symptoms. So I think that the folks before were very smart. They knew how everything worked. And hopefully we can be humble enough and our neighbors and friends will take the time to look and read the Good Book. And like you said, I want to echo that you don't have to be a flat Earth to attain
eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. However, I've gotten tons of emails from people where not only did flat Earth bring people to God, it also reinforced their faith when they realized, like you said at the very beginning of the podcast, you can look out the window and look up in the sky and there He is looking down upon us. So tremendous podcast from you today, sir. I want to thank you so much for your time and wish you all
the best and your family in the future. Of my brother yep. Likewise, you too, George. I appreciate it, and folks, don't forget to check out the website, the flat earth files dot com. We have that picture Mount Saint Helens and Mount Rainier in there for you to see. If you haven't seen it yet, go check it out and the website if you'd like to join us like Dave did tonight, it is the flat Earth
Files Gmail dot com God bless each and every one of you. Keep your head on a swivel and until the next time we will see you