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guest for the evening, please help us. Welcome Cliff Cliff. How are you doing? Brother? All right? How you doing today? George good? It's really great to have you on. We've been you know, it's been like hurting cats trying to schedule everybody, and I'm so happy we were able to get you scheduled, and you know, we got a lot more people to get going. But I finally we had some good chats back in fourth And before we get into your story, why don't you go ahead and
introduce yourself to the audience. Hello, everyone, my name's Cliff Schmidt. I grew up in Boston, Massachusetts. Excuse me for my accidents. I know it's pretty thick, but I hope everyone can understand me. I'll try my best to speak clearly nice. So first of all, i'd like to ask people, how did you find the podcast? So I was listening to The fact Hunter. I was into, you know, conspiracy theories, and
I found The fact Hunter and I loved it. I loved you layout you know your voice, you know, I just it's easy to listen to. So I was listening to The fact Hunter a lot. And then, you know, when I did all the conspiracy theories, you know, I had a friend and he talked about flat earth and that I found out you had a flatter once I was like, let me just give it a try. So that's how I got onto a podcast. So okay, so you're listened to the by the way, thank you so much for listening to that.
Um, had you like come across flat Earth before? And it was it one of those things where he kind of rolled your eyes and said, well, that's that's a little too far down the rabbit hole for me. Or is it something that kind of maybe piqued your interest but you just weren't ready to go down that hole yet. So when I was into the when I was into the other conspiracies, and I realized what this world really was.
When my friend who also is you know, conspiracy there the Truta M. David Bonden, my best friend, UM, he had bring up flat Earth and at first because of the program, and when he brang it up to me, I was like, Uh, Dave, you're a little I don't know, I'm not I don't think I'm ready there. And even though I didn't, I don't trust nothing anymore that you know, mainstream says, I still had walls up, you know, with the flat Earth. That's interesting.
Uh. Does Dave listen to the podcast? Um? He doesn't yet. You know, he kind of has his own people who listens to tell him to listen. He kind of likes listening to his own people. Yeah, everybody has their their their little group they listened to with the podcast. Tell us a little bit about your journey to the truth. Um, you know, how old were you when he started to think, you know, something's a little wrong here. And then what was kind of the first couple
of will use, for lack of a better term, conspiracy theory? Did you first? Uh? You know what, rabbit hold you get down first? So it's funny because when I finally did, um have my experience with flat earth and have my experience? Um, I thought back and I remember in second grade, I remember actually questioning why didn't people in Australia fall off globe? Like I remember asking my teacher I didn't understand, like if they're
upside down, why would they not fall, you know? And they were like, oh, it's gravity or whatever they said, and I kind of just moved on. But I remember a questioning it then. And so a little quick history about myself. I grew up in Boston, mass self Boston,
Massachusetts, and it's a tough Irish Catholic neighborhood. And I was always like a really good kid in like I had a big heart and I wasn't afraid to show my feelings even though everyone around me they you know, they had to have this you know, mask on and always be a tough guy and whatever. And I remember, you know, question to myself. I would ask God, like why, you know, why am I weak or
something? Not that I was weak, but I just was emotional. And so what happened was so yeah, So I grew up and I used to get bullied, and at some point around thirteen, I was like I had enough because you know, I'm like, why am I the nice guy? But everyone's always trying to bully me. So I realized if I just stood up for myself and you know, stood up for myself, people would leave me alone. So I ended up becoming like a tough person, you know,
in my area. And not that I would bully, you know, I would stick up with bullies, and if someone would try bullying me, you know, I would come on vicious because I just didn't like that type
of person. So I'll tie that all into the flat earth. But so then I grow up, and like I said, me and my friends were we were born again Christians, and we were going down different rabbit holes, and he was down his and we started on completely different spaces, but we both wound up to God and so he was, you know, trying to get me on the flat earth thing. He's like, Cliff, just check it out, listen to some videos, and I was like all right.
So then when I started listening to y'all show the Flat Earth files, you had David weiss On, and I started believing. I still wasn't hooked, and so I called my friend Dave. I said, I'm starting to believe this flat earth stuff. So he said, come down today, and well, I want to show you this video. So I'm like okay. So I take the train an hour in and he shows me the GoPro video and
we're sitting in his house. He showed me the video. I see the rocket, it's going up and you hear it hit something think, and it's still spinning, but it's just spinning in place. And then the GoPro rocket kind of turned sideways and boom, there's the mooning sun right there, you know, not millions of miles away, it's right there in the firmament. And it blew my mind. Like I started hype of ventilating. And I
already had like some open awakening experiences where my mind was blown. But this was kind of like the cherry On talk, like this connected it all for me in my brain, and I started getting hot. I was like, we gotta go outside. So we leave his house. We go to this little side street near his house, and all of a sudden, the only way I could explain it, is this bright light, all encompassing light, and it makes me emotional, and I realized I was in the presence of
God. I felt the love that I never felt ever in my life. It was all encompassing. I felt no fear, and it was just the strongest love I've ever felt. And I realized it was in front of God, and I was like, God, I'm not worthy. And I turned away, and you know, I'm thinking to myself and my Cliff, Gods in front of you, like turn around. So I turn around. And I was just in this bright, bright light, you know, this all
encompass and loved and it was just it was it was something. It was one of the best experiences in my life, you know, other than having my daughter. And I know I was in the presence of God at that moment, and I knew, you know, flat Earth was real, and it was just a remarkable experience. Yeah, you're you're that is just a beautiful story and your experience. UM. I have gotten so many emails from listeners. UM that really resonate kind of the same as what you just said.
It is life changing. And you know, when I went down some of the other rabbit holes, I felt further and further away from the matrix. But flat earth breaks the matrix and it ex poses the deceit of Satan and you realize how close God is. And uh, you know this book I'm reading the Doctrine of the shape of the flat Earth. He says the same thing people always says, Well, why is it so important whether it's a ball or it's flat. I still have to go to work tomorrow,
I still have to pay my bills. But when when you realize that you are not an accident, that you're put here for a purpose, and God is right above you, it makes all the difference in the world. What are your thoughts about that? I agree with you, And um, I'm
going to back up a little. So when when I about twelve years ago I started getting to truth the stuff, um, and then like three years ago, right before COVID, I was going down these rabbit holes, and sadly, I started on one of the you know, the child trafficking things. Yeah, no, no, you're fine. I just said, that's
a brutal one. That's it's hotbreaking. When I got into that and I realized, you know, what Hollywood has to do with it and all those people that so many people idolize, it made me sick, George, and I felt helpless because I, you know, like I said, I don't like people getting picked on, and children are the most vulnerable people on this planet, and that people let this happen because of money or because they idolize people that they think are great, but they're really terrible people. And when
I was down that rabbit hole, I almost had a nervous breakdown. And then COVID hit, and it was just I was in a bad place. So when I got to the God through all that and then had the flat Earth experience, and I, like you said, when I seeing God and I realized the final peace, then I let all that other stuff go because, like you said, we are special, but we're not, you know.
And then during that COVID time, I was into like ancient aliens, and then I started believing like well, if there's space, there's no God. And I was just in a dark place. And the truth is, you know, the firmaments above us. God's above the firmament, and we are special. There was no big bang, there is no space. You know, it's just nonsense. And people, it's just like the matrix. When you try to tell them, they get they defended, like because that
they've been, you know, brainwashed since we were children. You know, you see the globe on every movie we watch, and they have it everywhere, and you know, I feel for them because you know, they just can't see outside the box. They don't want to look at it open mindedly, no matter you know, how much information you show them. You show them experiments like Dave's wife's experience experiment where he has a string from it like
a kitchen table to something and it shows different views with the light. I mean that one is such a good experiment because it shows you that it's just the sun looks like exciting, but it's really not. It's going in a circle or you know sun type of circle, you know, and that was a great experiment. And you know with the camera the P ninety x or whatever it is, and you know, you think the ship goes down in the you know, but it's really not. It's just out of sight.
You know, which one I really like that that I've come to gravitate too lately. Have you ever seen the one where he took a picture of this hallway. I don't know if it was in a school or an old church, but it was like this one hundred and fifty foot long hallway, and you see the it is exactly like the horizon. The farther away it gets, the closer it becomes, and it really kind of explains why it you
know, our perception can only see so far. Exactly, Yeah, exactly, And you know, go ahead, Bunny, No, I was gonna say, um, you know, and it all really tied together, you know, the flat earth and you know a lot of the other conspiracies. You know, it really all ties together, like with the vaccines and stuff. Your past guest Larry who came on, Yeah, and he told the story about how his son was speaking and happy and laughing and then he got
the shots, you know, and then he stopped talking. And you know, my heart really goes out to Larry. Larry, we love you, and you know, we pray for your son. Every night. But that happened to my daughter, and she was a happy little baby and she was talking, giggling, and then she went and got those shots and she came back. She didn't have any look on her face, she had no expression, she didn't talk. Luckily, after a month she came out of it, you know. And I really feel for Larry, you know, because
I couldn't even imagine if she never started talking again. And you know, I tried bringing that up to people, and you know, they don't want to hear it. Oh, you're anti VAXXA. It's like, no, I lived it. I seen my daughter stopped talking for a whole month, no expressions, no, no laughs. It's scary and it's sad. And you know when you realize these evil people they don't care about us, you know. And I you know, it's principalities and it's spiritual warfare. You
know. They want us sick, they want us dumb, you know, and they want us dead one hundred percent. The very first line on the Georgia guidestones is they want to keep the world's population at five hundred million with perpetual balance with nature. And they're trying their best with endless wars and use these poisonous vaccines they put in people's body the way they treat cancer in my opinion, and you know, we can have a conversation on that another day.
But that's just my personal belief that the how they program us to believe that some of the things that grow naturally in our front yard, um, that can heal us. We spray poison on and then and turn poison ourselves, and we live in a completely backwards world. Absolutely. And it's funny with the Georgia guidestones, you know, one stones started really people started becoming away of what they were. All of a sudden, someone's rise by and
throws a bomb out the window and blows them up. And no, someone blow off a bomb, but no, we're just going to demolish it and call it a day. It's like what, you know, no investigation, nothing to ever be heard of again. Yep, yep. It's uh, it's mind blowing. And you know, when I had that experience of with God and I started reading my Bible, um, you know, I came about came on Matthew five eight, blessed other pure hot for they will see
God. And when I was little and I used to think there was something wrong with me because I had a big hot and I was around some vicious people, like the Irish Mob was in my town, and there was a lot of tough guys, but there were also a lot of like mentally ill, crazy dudes. And you know, I eventually had got to a point where I defended myself and I was strong and wasn't fearful no more. But I remember doubt and like, why God, why am I you know,
weak, and why am I afraid? And you know, there was not wrong with me. You know, I was actually blessed. I had a big hot when everyone else around me was either followers or you know, they were insane, and you know, I used to think it was a curse, but in reality it was a blessing. And you know that I realized that after having my experience and when I started reading the Bible, and you know, like you said, people say, you know, when I bring it up to them too, the same thing, what does it matter?
One hundred percent matters because a lie of that magnitude that is absolutely there to make people think, well, if we live in this ever experience in universe, that there mustn't be a god. I fell for it first for a
period of time where that's what that's what I'm thinking. Well, oh, ancient Aliens they actually built the pyramids, and they can't be a god because you know, and it's it's all bys all that stuff's in the Bible, you know, the fallen Angels, the Nephelum, they built all those structures, and then God washed the planet out because it was so corrupt. And I absolutely believe, you know, flat earth matters. I truly feel it in my heart like I seen God when I realized the truth. You know,
so to me at one hundred percent matters. Was there one particular when you were watching the video? I don't remember if I asked you or you mentioned it yet. Was there one particular thing when they were showing the video what there was an ice wall or seeing too far where it just completely clicked for you and that's when it really hit home. Was there one piece of evidence that kind of overwhelmed you? Yeah, Like like I said, I was, I was on the fence. I was starting to believe. But
again, that brainwashing is so thorough in us. Oh yeah, and even when you see it, you still don't want to see it. And seeing that GoPro hit the firmament at seventy five miles high and seeing it spinning and not moving up no more, like it blew my mind like you know, instant awakening, you know, seeing God it was it was wild and now
it's so clear, like I see it in everything like everyone else. You know, when we watched movies now with discernment, they're almost comical, you know, they rub it in our face and all these people just you know that doo doo doo. It's like, how do you not see that? Like, no one watched a movie with me, because I'm look at that, look at that, check the four leagues. I just want to watch the movie. Yeah yeah, there's a number thirty three on their house.
Yeah yeah, same here. Everybody just rolls their eyes. Um yeah, so yeah, I forgot. The Go Fast Rocket was just life changing. And it's funny. They tell you the moon which is way out in the sky there, that's two hundred and thirty nine thousand miles away, But the other object up in the sky that seems just about as far is an extra ninety two million, seven hundred and fifty thousand miles further. And like people and including myself, and again I always have to preface this was I was
that guy too. But the fact that that is such a long way and we just simply, you know, take it and run with it. It really goes to how they have formed the entire system, how it to work. Mom and dad goes to work, the child goes to the Rockefeller and Doctor Nations system of bell rings. We moved to the next class bell rings.
We moved to the next class, and for thirteen years, if you include kindergarten, of which our guests the other night pointed out, correctly, we really don't come out with a whole lot of worthwhile information, right exactly exactly, I honestly, because me and my ex wife are divorced, I get my daughter a few days a week, and I truly given my life
to her to be trying to raise her as a Christian. When this thing had happened and I was coming out of this serious depression and all this stuff, and you know, I started reading my daughter's Bible because I was so fearful of my daughter. Like having a son, you know, I think it'd be a little easier, but having a little girl. When I had my daughter, it changed my life because you just look at the world different. And you know, God told me, like, just get her to
know me and everything will be all right. You know, I have to worry, and I don't worry no more. And uh, one day she says to me, Dad, is there anything I could do with you wouldn't love me? And I go, no, honey, Pumpkin, you could do something that I might be disappointed, but I would never stop loving you. And God said, Cliff, that's how I love you, and it I don't know. Something in my mind clipped, and I realize that God loves us, each and every one of us, and we're all on our
own path. And you know, I truly believe, you know, he's trying to wake us all up. And because I do, I think flatters. I think it's you know, it's the biggest lie in history, you know, indeed, it is one of the biggest lies. And it has helped you know, it's been used against us in so many ways, and
I'm sure there's ways we haven't even considered yet. I mean, just the fact that our tax money goes to NASA and that whole mess, and who knows where much of that money goes to, maybe someone the things you were talking about that you were looking into prior to COVID, you know, because there's only so many companies that make this type of thing, right, there's not if I'm a government contractor and I say I need this contract fulfilled,
I need one hundred loaves of bread every week delivered here, I'll probably get one hundred or two hundred bids. However, if if I require a certain door for the isss, there's only one or two companies in the entire world that can furnish that. So of course you can charge just an astronomical amount
of money. The company takes the money from the government and it's just this big, you know, it's it's incredible that the way that they're able to get over on us and we're complicit and it we don't we don't ever demand accountability, yelp and go ahead. No, I was gonna say, anapsid
thing. It's like it's such a fine line because you know, I think back to you know, I found it fathers, and I know they weren't perfect, but I think the republic they built was truly a great thing, and I think they were trying to, you know, set us up for success and you know, growing up the way I did and standing up for
myself and you know, standing up against weak or crazy people. You know, there is that side of me, you know where you know it's so hard because you want to be like I had enough, I'm gonna stand up, you know. But the way they have the system now, you know, it's like where do you stop? You know, where would you stop? You know? It's I really stopped trying to think about it that way because I listen, I would love to be able to go grab a gun
and you know, fight for freedom and get these sickles out. I just I after reading Revelation, I just don't think it's an option. I kind of think, you know, I pray every day for the country, but I kind of think we're on this path and I think it needs to come to where the Bible says it's going to come. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I completely understand that too. I'm torn because in one on one side of me and I'm not talking about grabbing a gun because I
think there's other options. I think we simply walk away from the current system, start using cash, pull our children out of schools, stop paying taxes. But it would take a massive amount of people for that to happen in this day and age. It's just quite difficult because the thing I worry about the most is, you know, I don't want my if it's this bad now, I don't want my children and grandchildren to go through more difficult things.
However, like you said, when you kind of read revelations and kind of look around the world, what's going on, there's a story I think in Utah just a million cricket showed up the other day. You read these kind of things like, well, maybe it is. And because they're certainly not hiding their evil anymore. And I felt, and I'm not trying to be dramatic, I'm just being honest here. And I want your opinion on
this as well, because I usually bring this up to each guest. I felt a seismic shift almost in the world, like the world completely changed when COVID kicked off, but like Satan took off his mask, like I'm not he said, like I'm not hiding anymore, almost like this is endgame. I'm throwing everything that I have at you. Do you feel that way at all with COVID and everything since and before you started, before I started listening to your podcast. That's exactly how I felt. I would say it to
my friend Dave. I'm like, I'm like, they overplayed their hand with the covid and they can't too many people know what they're doing. They can't go back to like where they was doing its slide hand and you know, being they played their hand, and I felt the same thing. You know, something changed, you know, they they're trying. I feel like they're trying to get you know, these generations of plans between the Gates and the
Rockefellas, they're trying to get it done soon. I believe by twenty thirty, you know, Agenda twenty thirty. I completely agree with you. I think that is the end game. And I do think the current generation of controllers, for lack of a better word, uh, they want to see it and maybe they know, maybe they know this is end game. Uh, well, we'll see what happens. How did covid um affect your life? I know? Uh in I mean it affected everybody's to to occur to
a certain extent. Excuse me, um Some people have affected their way of life, some with their children and education. How did it affect yours? Um? So I just want to say something real quick. Um, I don't mean like I don't want to go grab a gun and hurt people. What I what I was saying is I'm almost jealous of like the people of the revolution. We yeah that option. It's I feel like less of a man that you know obvious. I wouldn't ever want to hurt anyone this in.
I don't want to hurt anybody, but you know, part of me kind of wishes it was somewhat like them, where we could stand up and be men and take care of the week of people. But no, I completely get it. Because before you go no, no, before you go on that, I wanted to mention you know that kind of correlates to what you said. As a youth, you were kind, you were you were
very goodhearted, but then people started to take advantage of you. And I used to say, as an NCO in the army to my soldiers, because I was the same kind of guy, I said, don't let my kindness. Don't don't take that as being a pushover because I had my line and they knew it once they crossed it. And that's kind of you know what I feel like. We're all good people most of American. Percent of Americans are good people. They just want to take care of their family and have
a little money left over to have a little bit of fun. But you can only pick you can only poke a bear so many times, exactly in people. Because I was a little chubby, and you know, when I finally got to that point where I had enough, you know, people would say something and try to insult my clothes, or they would come too aggressive and I would just knock them out, like I didn't want to play the games. I wasn't gonna call each other names. And they'd be like,
why did you do that? I'm like, well, why were you being aggressive to me? Now I'm the bad guy because you were trying to insult me or make me feel weak because you thought I was just quiet. I'm a nice guy. But no, you ain't gonna treat me. You know, you're not going to take advantage of me. And you know, people
eventually realized they can't take advantage of me. And you know a lot of people respected me for that because I wasn't afraid to tell my feelings and they knew I wouldn't take any you know, shi t so, but yeah, yeah, so COVID hit, and um I was. I worked for the state. I worked for the fueling the buses in Boston and I had been
there seven years. I just got seniority. And then they started with the COVID vaccine that it might be manded to and you know, I was fighting with management and the union because you know, the union was mad because I wouldn't vote Democrat. You know, I did kind of fall for the Trump thing, and part of me still hopes that God is working to Trump, but who knows. You know, I know he's friends with all those people. But you know they were telling me, hey, you gotta vote Democrat.
I'm like, you ain't telling me how to vote, dude, Like it's my vote. So the union was mad at me, and then all of a sudden, Management started with me, and you know, I was stuck in the middle and COVID was going on, and I was afraid I was going to bring COVID home to my daughter who has asthma, and I was going down these doc rabbit holes, and you know, I was lost, you know I really was. And you know, God's changed my change me. You know, I did one hundred and eighty point turn, and
you know I'm grateful today. You know, I don't have a lot of money. I work paycheck to paycheck, but I'm able to be a dad, you know, I'm able to pray to God without any worry of you know, you know, because a lot of Christians across the world, they can't just read the Bible. In China, you know, they have little pieces of one little you know, piece of the Bible and they read that and they got to do it on the secret. And I'm grateful I don't have to yet, you know. And we have a lot to be grateful
for in this country. And as bad as it is, there's you know, there's a lot of good. And I do also agree agree like Dan Bongino and a lot of people are doing, you know, starting a secular you know economy, and I think that is changing things. I think that's help. And like with the bu Budweiser thing, you know, if you hurt their wallets, things are gonna change. You know. That's the only way to make these narcissists, you know, change their ways is you just
can't support them, you know. And it's hot, and you know they got their fingers and everything. Google this that you know, you just do what you can and you know, stay close to that Bible. And you know, I went from almost having a nervous breakdown to having no fear. You know, I rely on God. I read the word, I pray, and whatever happens happens, you know, and I'll try to be a good Christian to the end. And you know, I really think that's all
I can do, indeed, and I think it's very important. And I mentioned this all the time, at least I tried to. There are times you can't constantly stay down the rabbit hole twenty four seven three sixty five because you can have a mental breakdown, because it can be depressing. Like there's some kind of interesting rabbit holes to go down that don't really stretch out, like the Paul McCartney, Billy Shears, Marilyn Monroe and these type of things.
But there's a lot of there's a lot of dark rabbit holes out there. I had a young lady on about a month ago from from Texas, and what goes on down there, there's you know, our world is full of a lot of darkness, and sometimes you just gotta put yourself out, spend some time with God and even go do some normy stuff like watch a baseball game or something. Absolutely and it's funny because you know I try. You know, I tried telling my daughter about flat earth and space, and
you know it's hot because she has her mom who doesn't really believe. You know, she thinks I'm crazy, and you know she's torn, and I don't want to have it. You know, she's like, yeah, I feel torn. I'm like, listen, I don't want you to feel torn. You know, your mom's teaching you what she believes. I'm teaching what I believe. Don't stress, fear nothing. When you get older, you
could recome to the stuff and come to your own conclusion. But you know, I was explaining to her, you know, you know the Carnival ride that spins in a circle in the floor, drop the wall, so that thing only goes I don't know whatever, to sixty miles an hour. I said, Pumpkin, think about it. What do you feel base that ride? I showed her the ride because the Connival is here. I said, Look, that's only going sixty miles an hour, and this stuck to the
wall. I go. The Earth's allegedly spinning at a thousand miles an hour. Like, does it feel that way? Why aren't we you know, against the wall? Oh well gravity, okay, well then why how the butterfly's flying? You know? And I don't want to overwhelm her, but I feel it's my duty as her dad to at least give her the truth in one day. I truly believe she will come back to the true sure, and you know, she's learning. And we do the same with our
thirteen year old. We say, hey, this is what's being taught in the public schools, and this is what we believe, and we don't really hide to anything in our conversations. And she knows. It's funny you mentioned that ride the rotors. I did the same thing. I looked to see how fast it does. Thirty three revolutions per minute. Can't make it up. Oh man, I love it. Yeah, it came back, and I guess some German guy demonstrated it in october Fest back at late forties,
early fifties. Oh yeah, but I just saw I saw thirty three revolutions permitted. I was like, oh, good grief, I did see that. And I was like, all right, how many mouth or hours that? Yeah, And it's interesting you were talking earlier about when you were younger in Australia. I would always think, like, you know, we're spending that fast. It can hold water and people to it. But you have a camp fire that the smoke just kind of goes up in the air.
The butterflies no problem getting off the ground. It's just, uh, it is the biggest I don't want to use that word on the air, but uh, mind, man, it is. Once you pull out and you
know there's nights. I sit there and say, my goodness, when you when you think about the gravity story and all the other things that go along with heliocentrism, how we're hurtling through space for the last four and a half billion years and this ever, like you said, ever expanding space, you really realize that this is all about hiding God and how evil it is. And the people who came up with these theories they were all Jesuits, you know. And it's so I wanted to bring something up. So in the
Bible, you know, it explains what the firmament is. And I learned this somewhere. So firmament in Hebrew means rock keia. So I looked it up and it says the vault of heaven or firmament. We got it by Hebrews as solid in supporting waters above it yea, and relate it now.
Rakia, found in number sixteen thirty eight. He Brews number in seventeen three, refers to the process of hammering metals into sheets, you know, and it's it's so obvious now, and like I get how, you know, I still didn't want to believe it, even though I already knew about you know, the politicians, and you know, it still took a while for me. But once you get it, you know you're out of the matrix.
You know you took whatever color bill was, the red pill or blue bill, and you know you're awake, and you you can't go back. There is no pretending anymore, Yeah, no matter how hard you try. And there's been days when you know, I'm watching a movie and I catch myself and I say, good grief. I just can't even sit back and relax and watch a movie anymore. I've watched The Truman Show fifty times, sister, true, and every single time I'll catch something different in the background,
and I'm I'm never even looking at the actor's faces. It's just truly amazing, truth, in Hollywood, lies in the media, and going back to just simple things, believing our eyes. And that is another one of the things I just kicked myself. You know, I believe complete strangers tell me something versus what I can see, what I can hear, what I can touch. You know, I walked to the end of my little country
street. Here in my little country road, I hang a left, I walk about a quarter of a mile and there's a lake and I sit there and I fish, and you know what, that water doesn't move an inch, perfectly still. And then somebody made a great in the emails I read yesterday. He said he came out to a scar in the morning, had a little bit of mess on his windshield. So you know, you click the windshield fluid and he takes off, and you know how that one bead
always comes down that you know, it misses as he's driving away. Just that little bit of wind that five or ten miles an hour was altering the course of the water. And just the fact of how asked for going and spinning. It's just all so ridiculous. Yeah, all the numerology with the
six six six, Yeah, it's just and it's funny. So in Boston that in Salem they have this race it's called the Hell Runs six sixty six, and they dress up as the devil and they run around Salem, and you know, it's all these you know, businessmen and women and they think it's this harmless thing, and it's like it just blows my mind. And then shortly after they had this thing called Satan Cohn. They literally had Satan con in Boston. And it was the twenty eighth of April, my daughter's
birthday to the thirtieth. The Massachusetts daily number lottery number that night was one six six six. Like, you can't make this stuff up. And I tell people, like it's a coincidence. I'm like, it's not a coincidence, you know, it's I don't think Massachusetts had anything to do. But it just shows that there is a spiritual battle going all around all the time, you know, right right where we can't see it. You know, I believe, you know, whatever it is where the spirits, I think
this spiritual warfare going on all the time. You said it was from April twenty eighth to April thirtieth. It was April twenty eighth to the thirtieth. I believe that's interesting. April twenty ninth is the I know that date is the one hundred and nineteenth day of the year, and that backward is nine to eleven. That's interesting, and I was I had actually written that down.
I wanted to ask you what the hex going on in Boston because I had seen the satan Con thing and the last fall on my radio show, I spent a whole week on all these hospitals that we're doing Boston. Is that hospital out there in Boston I don't remember the name of the hospital is like the leading gender reassignment hospital in the in the nation, and you know they do it as young is like I don't remember the age. I want to misspeak, but it was it was abhorrent to see what they were doing.
Oh yeah, no, this is uh, this is a Boston's an evil stronghold. You know, Democratic for sure. Like um, when I when we were children, right, we were in the nineties, per capital, we were the poorest white people in America and you were Irish Catholic. And it's not that people were necessarily racist. I mean some people were, it was more of we were Irish Catholic. This is our neighborhood, you know, and it's even the bad people. Everyone looked out for each other.
You need to milk, sugar, anything you can knocker on your neighbor's door. So it wasn't that people were necessarily hateful. It's we didn't want nobody in our neighborhood, you know. That's more what it was. And what happened was they stopped moving people into the projects I lived in. And what they did was they were like, well they're ray sist so and then they literally so little kids would get into a fight, ten year olds, and they threw the whole family out for what a ten year old did,
because they villainized us. And then they threw all my friends families out. I never you know, I wouldn't fight people for no reason unless you know, when I got older, unless I was being bullied. But it was just sad, you know, and I see that is what goes on today. You know. They first they villainize you, then they take everything from you. And so when people say it, I'm like, listen, I
already seen it. All my friends got thrown out of their homes. You know, we lived in the project's apartments because of what little kids did. It wasn't nothing vicious. It wasn't like, oh hey they're different, let's go beat them up. It was kids playing basketball and it got a little too heat and the fight broke out and and they threw their whole family out for that, and you know, it was hot breaking. You know, a lot of my friends on It's today because not only did they did that,
they flooded, you know, my neighborhood with drugs. And you know, it's sad, you know, it's it is. It's terrible. And I do remember when I was doing my research on Boston because I was flabbergasted. Um, and it was right on there, that hospital's website. Everything they did, they didn't even try to hide it. But um, that mayor you guys have is just evil. I think her name is Michelle, Michelle Michelle will yep, yep, and super super progressive and big time socialist
Marxist. Well you know where she's from. She's from Chicago. Oh well that explains, yep, that's she's from Chicago. And you know, the it's funny because my birthdays made first you know, the date that they stopped at the Illuminati. That's kind of funny, that's right, May day, that's right, seventeen seventy six. So but yeah, it's it's wild. I hope people, if you're on the fence, you know, I hope you. You know you read the Bible. The Bible will tell you the
truth and rarely give it a chance because it does change your life. And it is hard. You know, I don't have a lot of friends, and when I go to work and you know, all the chefs of playing this cod game, you know, I just it's hard for me to you know, I just view the world different, Like I have all the Boston Sports team's tattooed on my body and I don't. I don't. I don't care anymore, Like it's just another distraction. And why am I gonna love a team that? You know, It's just I don't know. I just
view the world different. You know, my only the only thing I love. You know, I love everybody because we're all God's children, but my priorities and my daughter in God. You know, that's awesome. That is great to hear. And you know that story that you're telling right now, I hear it all the time from most of the people who come on and most of the emails. That is I guess if you want to talk about and it's not really a negative because there's nothing negative about the love of God
and the truth. Right that there's the truth and then there's everything else. Right. I want the truth, no matter how bad it tastes. Right. I don't want you to sugarcoat me a lie that tastes good. I just want the truth, no matter how good or bad it is. But you know, one of the things that does resonate, and this is one of the things that I need to work on in brainstorm, is how we can come together in person because a lot of people out there feel lonely.
Right. We fall away from our friends because a lot of our friends that we grow up with, or many of my friends who I served within the army, and I'm not judging them. They have their distractions and what they do, and I used to have those same things, right, but now I don't, And you kind of fall away from those people, and it can be it can be a little bit lonely, right, and yeah, be sure, Yeah, But like for me, I can take a launch hair and set out back. I don't need a lot of people, but
there's some people who do. And I think that's a good thing. Like I've said many times, I really wish I could find a church that I could resonate with. Have you been able to, Um, do you go to church? Yes? I have a church, UM, A couple of
towns over that I really like. Oh good. You know he speaks out against the you know, the government not in in the ways that he should right and like about Pride Month and you know he says what you know, the things that I believe, and so I do like the church that I'm in. That is fantastic. That's That's one thing that I hope I can I can find. I'm working on it, and I will continue to to hunt, even if it's an hour drive. I'll find one. Um.
What else? Did what other things did you have on your list of things to talk about this evening? And you've been crushing it. This has been incredible, by the way, UM, Yeah, I think I got most
of it. But it's funny too, like with UM because I hear you say big Mike, and I crack up because I tried doing people that I'm like listen, it's a guy, and they're like, come on, if you're crazy, I'm like, listen, go watch her on Ellen and you can see her doing jumping Jackson. I'll leave it there, but you know, and then you go back and you see the pitches of when she was a guy, and you know that comedian who said, yeah, we know she's a trend. And then she ends up dead, you know, getting
plastic surgery. And then the emails get leaked. I forget who they were, whether they were Hillary's or hillary campaign manager. Where Obama is talking about, yeah, spend fifty thousand on hot dogs and pete and send it from chicag It's like, it doesn't take a lot to figure out what this stuff means. And you know, you know that's what people say to me, Like you watch videos, like you think, I go no, But I
watch videos, I get ideas. I run it through my own search and in my own brain and my own senses and my own discernment, and I come up with what I believe. But it's I'm not just fallowing George Hobbes blindly, you know, fall jump off, fall him off a cliff, Like no, I listen to what he says. You know, they make it like it's this negative thing, and it's like no, you know a lot of these people, including yourself, are very bright. They do great
research. You know, I'm not just fallowing some you know, stupid YouTuber or something like. It's not that you know, and people just I don't know, they don't want to wrap their head around it. And I get it. I was there, you know, I love sports and I was so of the world, and you know, I had an ego and all
that stuff, and I just don't know more. You know, God's taken that, He's softened my heart, and you know, I get it and all, you know, I just brave for people because it's just, you know, there's so much information and it just it's it's mind boggling that people can't see it. It is, indeed, and I think it was actually what you were talking about Joan Rivers. I think it was two months to
the day. I think she mentioned it right around July the fourth of twenty nineteenth when she made that joke, and like literally two months to the day later. I think she died on nine four, twenty fourteen. And again, there's only so many coincidences. Yeah, it's it's crazy. And like Hillary Clinton and her campaign manager, that guy is so evil. Buddy, I'm not suicidal, So you know it's not ma Tomorrow when I'm walking home from work, I'm not suicide. I'm in good spirits. Yeah, I
need to make that annotation more on my podcasts. My chickens are happy, We're good. Yeahre oh Man, when you were I know, I kind of mentioned it, but I wanted to dwell on it a little more. What was the first rabbit hole that you fell upon? So I'm trying to
remember because it was like fifteen years ago. Fifteen years ago, I started having like this gust feeling that I just seen how that you know, before I even got into any conspiracy, the way the world was going in our society was going, I just felt something's off, something's wrong, and I started I can't remember exactly it was, but you know I got into you know, how their plan was global warming and how they're gonna use you know,
climate to get around the constant Housian and that kind of where I first stought it and got into the conspiracies. You know, I love the JFK thing ever since I was little, because he's from you know, he's from close to it, so we loved the Kennedy's So I always kind of had that and I always. It's funny because me and my friend Dave bought and you know my mentor, Um, we were always the type of guys where,
you know, we when we like so the Red Sox. We loved the Red Sox, but once they got real popular and people just jumped on the wagon, we kind of like, uh, I don't I'm not really you know, we really didn't walk with the crowd. What I'm trying to
say is we we kind of like walking our own path. So it's funny that you know, you know, there was hundreds of kids when I grew up, and a lot of them, you know, are in the ground, and you know the few got are alive and the kids that walked their own path who had gone and you know, so yeah, I I never really followed the crowd. Yeah, I'm old enough to remember the eighty six team. Was that the eighty six Mets where the ball went through Bill Buckner's
leg. I was like, oh my goodness. And yeah I remember when Boston and the Cubs too, that you know, they were that they were always the underdog and then they went on a roll when it was they weren't the underdogs anymore. And that I was always the guy. If I just walked in somewhere to like a restaurant and a game was on, I will always rooted for the underdog. It made it more fun. Yeah. And uh you your boy Kurt Shilling. He was a pitcher on my team.
He was a part of my ninety three Phillies and he went on to have a legendary game with you guys. It was so epic. The Blige, I mean we had a one. It was I mean, we had a good run. And that was when I really loved sports. Yeah, we had a great run. The Red Sox, Patriots, you know, the Celtics got one, the Bruins. It is Yeah, sports were good in the town. But like I said once, once all these fear where the fans came on, I kind of was just like, you know, it
wasn't fine anymore. Do you know what saddens me the most about sports today is you you you darn near and have to take a second mortgage out to go watch a game. Oh for sure. Especially found way me and my buddy would talk about the other day, like if you bring you know, if you had a significant other and two kids, you know, and the tickets, the hot dogs, I mean you you're spending the g easy. That's insane. I haven't been to a Phillies game thing, I think two
thousand and four. It's been close to twenty years. And I'm going this Saturday, and by the time this airs it will be before that. But one ticket. But they're good seats. I'm not they're they're good seats. One hundred and twenty five dollars. And I me and my buddies back in the eighties, we used to drive up my old beat up Ford Galaxy and
we'd get in for like three bucks. Oh yeah, And now it's that's the saddest part to me is the fact that, you know, one of one of the great things I don't have my dad anymore, but one of the great memories I had as a child was me and my dad. He'd come home from work. He was a maleman and we were thirty minutes away from Veteran Stadium, so he'd we'd hop in the car and we go up and watch the ball game. And you know, those were the days you
didn't have to sweat. You know, we need to save up and plan out a trip to a baseball game, because, like you said, it can cost that much money. It's just sad and everything, you know, everything else in this world is just out of this world. It's crazy. Even grocery shopping. My goodness, Oh it's so expensive. Like like, I'll still watch the Patriots occasionally, Like, but what I like to do
is watch little league is play baseball because they love the game. You know, I'd rather go watch some little leagues play Dan go spend eight hundred dollars to go to Fenway Park. Absolutely, I'll still go to high school games. We a couple high school around here. I'll watch high school football, high school soccer, whatever's going on. Because You're right, there's a love for the game. And I'm not saying that every professional athlete doesn't love the
game, but I think a lot of them do. Will end up, you know, because you have to be, you know, a top athlete in order to keep your to keep your game up there. But at the same time, I think they become more worried about their image and their money, and you know, it is what it is. Yeah, Well, even like Tom Brady, Like we love Tom Brady and then you know, pot of me trying of hope that he wasn't in that circle. You know,
like all the right, you know, the elite circle. And then I hear he secretly dating Kim Kardashian And one day I heard him doing an interview in telling how Gizelle she's a good witch. Yeah, she does these incantations and these mantras, and she makes me drink stuff and she has her crystals. And I'm like, is anyone else he her in that she's she's doing witchcraft like and I was just like, and that was like the tipping
point. I was like, you know what, I'll watch occasionally, but I just don't care anymore about sports the people who play it act is you know, I just know I'm all set. Yeah, I agree, Um, you're you're spot on with that. I did have a question for wherever at this down and forgot to ask when you were talking about uh, Joe, Oh, I know what I wanted to say about the sports. Um, it doesn't matter if you're in sports, politics, or Hollywood. If you're going to get to the top of the game, you got to be
part of the club. That's what I've come to believe. I agree. Yeah, yeah, Um, what are your thoughts on RFK Junior? I should say seeing that that's a hord one because you know he's got an actress wife. He's saying the I do. I almost feel like my first the first way I feel is like, you know what he's speaking out against him, he's talking about the vaccines. But then I think about it stronger and
I'm like, he's almost the way Trump. What Trump was to the right, he's almost Trump to the left right, you know what I mean. So I'm like, I don't know they are they playing us because I do like what he says, But then you know, I don't know it like they're just so good at manipulating us and manipulating you know, our civilization. It's I really don't know what to believe. Part of me thinks because his
dad and brother got killed for talking about dismantling the CIA. You know, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, you know, because I truly believe, you know, I pray that people, some people stand of moral guys and women and will stand up to it. So I try to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I you know, I
don't know if I can. You know, the thing that worries me the most is he is uh I don't want to say he's anti Second Amendment, but I but I have heard him say some questionable things about gun control. Yeah, and that's the other thing that as they say, hey, look over here. You know, they're trying to win you with this, but they're gonna stab you on the back with that. Yeah, you know. So it's it is. It's so hot, and you know, I pray
every day for the country. And if it does feel like some things are starting to turn, like like we talked about how when COVID hit and they overplayed their hand. At that point, it felt bad, Like I had a bad feeling, like I thought it was gonna be like the Bolshevik revolution or the Nazis and we were gonna be rounded up. Like that's really what
my instincts were telling me. And it feels a bit better now because I think a lot of people are waking up thanks to the work of people people like you who are getting information Aldea and talking about it and having conversations that it does kind of feel like things are starting to turn for the better. But they're so clever, they have so much power, they have so much money. You know, I'm not getting my hopes up, but I am. You know, I'm kind of trying to be hopeful, but it's hard.
You get what I'm saying. It is, and we're currently in or not currently, we're always inundated with these distractions on a daily basis. And that's one of the reasons that I've kind of walked away from the mainstream media. I thought, you know, the alternate news site was Fox News back, you know, in like twenty seventeen. That's why I really got the news. And then I'll never forget the day it was on in the background and they had new Gingrich on and he mentioned George Soros's name and they cut
him off the air. I said, well, then, obviously this is all just a game too, and that's really that day was the last time. I think. That's actually the day I canceled my cable. Um, it's just the right wing and the left wing belong the same corrupt bird absolutely, And it's funny, like you you can tell who these people like the media and all who their allegiance is too, because like, um, we
had a tight end for the patriots. Um. I can't remember his name, but he was on ESPN and he's talking and then he stopped saying Jesus Christ, you know, telling him that Jesus Christ is gonna be the only way to change thing. And then oh they dropped. Oh sorry, um, we lost you. And that's I've seen a clip where they did it to golf Is, you know, all sorts of people, the moment they bring up Jesus Christ. Oh, oh we dropped them, We lost sound.
Sorry, guys. And it just shows you, like their allegiance is to the Synagogue of Satan. It is not to Jesus, it is not to God Jehovah. And you know, it's so and I feel so grateful and blessed that I have discernment. And I always have had discernment, you know, like I said, when I was little and the appom like where
I grew up, it was crazy. You know. A lot of us were second generation project kids and our parents grew up in the projects and it was dangerous, you know, like I said, there was a lot of tough people. There was a lot of psycho people, and I had to learn to read people instantly because if not, I could have been one of these children being traffic or you know, it was that serious. You know, I had to learn to read people and by the grace of God,
I you know, he gave me discernment even as a young kid. As I look back now, I realized that, and you know, I'm grateful for that. Agreed. I think that tight end you were talking about, wasn't that Ben Watson? Ben Watson, Yes, that's who it was. Yeah, he's a good man. He is all about any time he's on there, he professes Jesus Christ. And that's probably why he was shown the door at ESPN. Yeah, for sure, because that's the that's one way to end your career, right to get to the top once again, you
got to bend the knee of the Synagogue of satan Um. Now that you've been so you've been a flat earth for how long would you say, um, probably about a year now. Have you had any success in you know, we already talked about with your daughter, but whether it be co workers or other family members, have you had a chance to bring it up and
have you had any success? So? I really haven't liked the people in my life, um, like my ex wife and you know, the people that I want to wake up my mom like, they just kind of have that same you know, what's it matter? Like you know, it doesn't matter. And you know I get that all the time. Like I'll tell other people, like some of the younger guys at work. I work at a restaurant, and I'll say, hey, you ever hear a little flat Earth? Because I don't want to come at them and say the earth flat,
dude, listen right, just look at you like you insane. So I'll kind of be like, hey, you ever hear anything about flat earth? And they'll be like, no, why, what's up? And I'm and I'll try to lead them and not give them my opinion so that maybe they'll just go and do their own research and check it out. Because I think that, like you said, I think your idea with the cod or a short video with you know, you're leading them, You're not really telling
them nothing. I really think that is the only way to go because just like the matrix, if you know, they'll fight to defend that system because that's all they know. Yeah, that's a good point, and I think there's some truth to that, right if there's something that questions their personal believes, something that's been reinforced to him, like a lot of children, like there's when you tell a child about Santa Claus like he doesn't exist anymore.
There's two types of children. There's the one that, yeah, they kind of knew, they were just holding out for hope because it was such a cool story. And then there's the other, you know, the type B who are almost devastated by the news, like you know, and I've even heard stories people tell me like the child looks at him and says, how could you lie to me? And that now it kind of made me stop in my track and think, like we're we're taught like Santa Claus is handed
down generation to generation to generation. And I hope there's not like a little child listening to this podcast in a car right now, because Santa is real, if you know what I'm saying, Like that story is handed down generation generation generation, Like, um, are we doing the right thing? But by doing the story? Is it just a harmless little white lie? Is it just a tradition? Like have you ever taken the time to think about that? Georgia, I agree with you. I don't. I don't celebrate
Christmas no more because it's not Jesus's birthday. I don't celebrate Easter no more. That is a pagan they're both pagan holidays. East was a holiday that was some fatility God where you would paint eggs with blood, and it's it's insane, like when you look back and you know Christmas, you know, one of the season has made it a Christian holiday to try to convert the Pagans. I don't celebrate any of them anymore. And that was hot,
you know when my daughter says, why aren't we celebrating Christmas? And I said, we celebrate God every day, you know, we don't. You know, it's hot. It is when they're in that world and you don't want to steal their innocent or they enjoy, but it is. It's a it's a tough question like do I do celebrate it? Do I not? Do? I tell it is. I have been dealing with that, and yeah, I no longer celebrate any of those pagan holidays. And that's interesting.
I'm meeting more and more people like that as well. I think, um, like the church down the street again, I talk about this all the time, friends with the pastor, and we have these conversations. You know, one of the people, one of the congregants, we were having a conversation and she said, a church actually broke up, like the church
actually split half the congregation left because of an Easter egg hunt. And I thought, well, somebody's priorities are not right whatsoever, And like, I get the children, and if that's something that the folks want to do, that's something that they should be able to organize separately. But to that is like really, I think I've mentioned it before on here, but that's to
me, it was kind of jaw dropping. Yeah, for sure, if there was an argument about doctrine, um, fine, but over an Easter eggon Yeah, it is though when you read the origins of it and you know what the rabbit represents and the painting of the egg, it's it's demonic stuff, it is. And I feel like if people are doing it for their right reasons, like in their mind, like East represents, you know, Jesus rising on the third Day, then I'm not gonna say, hey,
don't do that. That's you know, people need to do them and walk their own path, you know. But for me, I just you know, I don't wanna have fall citals and you know, I just don't want to walk down that path. And it's funny because when I used to think back to like you know, the people on the train passing out the pamphlets the end near and like, get away from me, crazy right from him? Now, yeah it is me. I am that guy. Like,
listen, please come to Jesus that the end is near. And it's it's sobering, it's you know, eye opening when you realize, you know, they weren't the crazies, those you know, they knew the truth. So yeah, it's it's wild life is. Wild life is. And I've always felt this even since Al he's younger. The real reality, not the reality we live or our civilization, is what this world and life really is. It's mobulous, it's beautiful. It's it's more extraordinary than you know,
the Lord of the Rings and all this stuff. They put it in this little box and they set it up and it's oh, everything's just you know, nine to five and bump up. But the world really is so much more than that in our reality. You know, I've been trying to get the courage to get back up and go downtown, and I've got my little generator and speaker and microphone and to do it again. It's interesting how people react to you. It's cool to be you know, the beer drinking movie
watching. Uh, you know, guy, but if you stand out there and profess your faith, you're you get all kinds of words, nut job, you get SODA's thrown at you. I did that one time during COVID, and you really get the treatment. And it's like, I'm out here for you, right, and I'm out here for the people for you know that they're trying to hijack your rights. How can you not see they're calling you non essential. People who have spent their whole lives to save up to
purchase businesses. We're told they're not essential and how to shut down because their business didn't have the logo of Walmart or Sam's Club or or King's Soups. Because they're trying to destroy the middle class. And people couldn't see it. And you know, I went out there and try to, you know, with a sign that said everyone is essential, and I forget what the other
side said. And do you know McDonald's cups thrown at me Anti vax are everything, and it's just and it's the same thing like twenty years ago. We're not twenty years ago, but probably thirty years ago I would have been them. You know, look at this nut job, right, and it's just it's interesting how the whole thing evolves. It is, it's it's um, it's all. It's mind blowing. That's the only way I can say
it. And you know that is what my plan is to do, is that's what I want to stop doing, is going out downtown Boston and try to weight people up and not necessarily with the truth a pot, but more of leading them through God and right, me too, so and we have to we just we just have to come at them with love the way Jesus did. Because um, I don't know if you've ever seen The Chosen the show, but it's basically about Jesus. They do add some stories just to
fill some things in, but it's it's very well done. You know, it's Bible based. It's beautifully done. I would recommend anybody that wants to stop to get to know God. If you want to stop there, if you're like I don't want to read the Bible, maybe stop watching The Chosen. It's so well done. If they really captured the guy that plays Jesus, I don't know his name is Jonathan. He does such a good job. Every time I watched it, I either cry laugh. It's just I
love it. It's interesting because the studio who does The Chosen did that movie that just came out, the one that everybody's talking about, Yeah, the child trafficking, Yes, sir, Yeah, it's the same studio, Angel Studios. Yeah. I guess Mel Gibson has something to do with that.
I just heard. I don't know exactly what he pott he asked to play in it, but I was reading an article that said that Mel Gibson and that guy who plays in the movie, who played Jesus and Passion of the Christ, that they were allegedly gonna mountain expose a lot of the stuff in Hollywood. Who knows how true it is, but I wouldn't doubt it, because you know, if you'll walking with God and you know this stuff exists and you don't speak about it even though you know they're gonna kill you,
which is it is, it's tough. I don't know what I would do, but I feel they must have a yearning to tell the truth of what's going on, because they Mel Gibson definitely knows what's going on. Yeah, from what I've heard, there's supposed to be some like a four part movie series or mini series coming out Exposing and I guess this one that's out right now, which by the way, just unbelievably beat Indiana Jones on July fourth, that actually grows more money than that new Indiana Jones. But I mean,
I can't believe people are still interested in that. I mean, he's eighty something years old, but it's pretty incredible. And people like Kevin Sorbo, he's a professed Christian. There are a few people within the movie industry that are good folks, and many of them have left Hollywood physically, like move to either Arizona or wherever um and you just hope that they're maybe because I think in the back of everyone's mind, right, like is mel really
a good guy? Right? You kind of just like hesitate because maybe because of how we were let down with other folks like say Trump and other people, which lends credence to let us not put our faith in man. You put your faith into God, you won't be let down. Call all men Elijah for sure. Yeah. Yeah, so one can hope, right, but that hopium sometimes can be a big letdown. It really is. It's
you know, and that's that's truly why God's so important. Like I watched some of these movies of like these you know, I don't know, like it shows the world in the future, and they're so cold. And I was because I like sci fi and I was watching one the other day and I like, why is this so cold to me? It's because this God's not in that world, you know. That's That's what I take from it, And it really makes me appreciate being able to talk to my God and
feel his love and have the Bible like I couldn't. You know, I did it for years, Like I always believed in God, but I only went to God when I needed something. Once I shot my friend in the eye with a paintball gun on accident. He was gonna be blind. I went to church, I prayed, you know, I got arrested on Saint Patty's Day. I went to church and prayed. You know. I always went to God when I needed something, and luckily I had that. But you know, the people that don't have God at all, I don't know
how they do it. I really don't. It makes sense. Why. You know a lot of people go you know, into like they need their movies, they need this, Like I get it, you know, I just I don't know. I hope everyone finds God. I really good. Amen to that. And we all have our own journeys, and you know, we all have our own flaws. And I try to say all the time that you know, this is not me, you know, preaching to the you know, I'm not standing up here on a pulpit. I'm just
trying to share my experiences. And you know, it took me a long time to get to the truth. You know. I've had so many guests on this show that, like, you know, in their twenties and early thirties, and I'm just blown away. I just wish that my you know, my mind was there at their age. I think a lot of the things I did know, especially you know, two thousand and four, I came across a few things and I had a flag officer tell me some things, and I just chose not to look into it. It was just wasn't
the right time. You know. We all have our now. I'm not ready for the red pill, not ready for the red pill. But when you are and you take it, boy, it certainly is life changing, for sure. And I hope I didn't come off preach you or anything, because I really am not trying to preach to anybody. I'm truly coming from a place of love. I was in the same predicament we all were. You know, I'm not better than anybody where all children's God. We're all
you know, God's children. And you know I'm not preaching. You know, I've made a lot of mistakes in my life, you know, and I'm just grateful that I get a chance to live again as a boon again Christian and tried to love people the way Jesus did. And I'm so honored to have had you on and so many you know, every guest I've had, I've learned something from each and every person. And if I can just play a small part of building a community, because like I said, there's
so many of us don't really have a placed event to talk. And I hope I can make you in person. You know. My goal is to one of these days, you know, not to have this big multi million in dollar you know, I'm going from city to city, but I hope I can scrape enough shekels together where I can you know, hit a couple of cities and people on the ground there can kind of you know, gather people and we can just have a get together and we can share. It
wouldn't be you know, a George show. It would be everybody there to tell their story and then we can break bread together. And I think it would be a wonderful experience. Yeah, definitely, Like because me and my friend Dave were just talking about that. Like on Dave Weiss's flat Earth app, you could you pay like fifteen dollars for the year and it shows you
all the people around that also have the app. When we would think in the same thing, we like we should get together and try to like zachly we you said, I get a small groute together and have meetups because you know we're all on the same path and you know it does get lonely sometimes. So yeah, it's a great idea. Yeah, well, I certainly look forward to it. We're running up against our time. I would like to give you, um, you know, the last few minutes here to
say whatever you'd like. Okay, I just want to thank you for having me on George and thank you for all the hot work you're doing. Um I am I have my first podcast, um written. Um. I'm just working on saving the funds to get a camera and Mike, but uh, you know, anybody that's on the fence with flat earth, UM, just stick with it, try having an open mind. And you know the times we live in, you know, their fifth they could be scary. So I just want to end with this Bible verse. My daughter is going to
help me say it. So it's um stuff said the Lord I who created you, Oh Jacob, I who formed you? Oh Israel Enough wherever regin you ask Claudie by name you are mind Isaiah forty three dash one And that's it. Thank you everyone. Wow, what's uh? We'll tell her? I said, hello. That was a got me a little choked up to hear a little. You know. It reminds me when I listened to Bill Cooper sometimes and his little girl would come on and you know, say the
Pledge of Allegiance and things like that. It's so wonderful to be able to have your daughter to finish the podcast like that. Thank you for that. That was awesome. Thanks George, and thanks also, please let me know when when you're ready to go on your podcast. Please send me the name of it and where people can find it so we can let the audience know. All right, absolutely, I will is that something you're gonna be doing like on YouTube or Rumble or I was thinking Rumble. Have you decided to
get and maybe Spotify? Um, I just got a computer. Took me a little while to save up for it, but I just got to get a mic, and I already wrote my first podcast, so I'm ready to go. So it should be coming soon and I will definitely let you know that's awesome. Well, definitely keep in touch. Sorry, and thank you again so much for your time and sharing your story, and God bless you and your family, and to all the listeners, thank you so much for
being a part of this journey. It is greatly appreciated. And of course Cliff's email address will be in the show description, and once he gets this podcast, because people will listen to this year from now by, then I'll go back and I will actually put a link to your podcast in the show description. Once we get that, I can edit that at any time. So let's all pray for each other, and thank you again for your testimony.
To all the listeners. God bless each and every one of you, and keep your head on a swivel during these unusual crazy time and until next time, my friends, we will see you