Episode 64: Flat Earth Conversation with Derek

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So without any fur there, ado, let's bring Derek on. Derek, how are you doing tonight? Hey? Doing great? George doing all right? Yeah, doing great. One of the things I forgot to even mention. We talked a little bit before the podcast, you would mention about kicking off a podcast. Were you able to get that going? Well? Okay, yes and no. See, um, I just had my third child

back in March. Oh wow, so you're busy. I started doing just kind of some YouTube online rants and everything, just different things flat Earth or yeah, whether it's the presidents or just hid in history whatever, you know, a little ten minute rants. And then, just as we all know of kids, you get busy, and so it's like, yeah, I'm still you know, my last name is my name is Derek Stit, So it was kind of a play on my name talking stit instead of you know

the other word. But I plan on getting it going again for sure, but only about ten episodes or videos I've got on YouTube right now. Oh, let's go get back to it. Yeah, definitely, if you get a chance, If you want to send me that link. I'll be sure to put that in a short description so people can check that out as well. Okay, cool, cool, Yeah, So go ahead and introduce yourself

to the audience. Well, um, like I said, father three grew up in a kind of military family, but just old school outside baseball, sports, dirt mikes, things like that. But me personally, I was always into just weird things that nobody could answer. You know, five six years old, I'm asking about Bigfoot and UFOs and all, you know,

all the fun stuff. And as I got older, you know, life goes on, but you start just kind of noticing as you have children and things like that, you know, your your perception on things starts to change. So it starts being easier to see, like when you've been deceived or you know, well, so you start getting into some hidden history and things

like that. But with my father being an aviation for multiple decades about to retire next month, I've always kind of looked at like space and aviation and things like that with a fascination but also with blinders on whenever it came to like you know, the Space station or NASA things like that, because I was kind of always you know, like proud of you know, you get

biased basically, you know what I mean. And so all of a sudden, I had friends of mine start pointing out fallacies of NASA and that, you know, those are CGI images and flat and the Earth is flat. And I'm like, I don't know, I'm in some rabbit holes. I'm into some pretty Mason rabbit holes and this and the Luminati and this snack.

You're like, it might be a little too far. But then Buddy Mine and Alton, who kept pestering me on it just jokingly forever, he sent me a link to Hibbler's first movie, Level, and I'm like, you know what threw it? Friday nights back, kiddos were with the grandparents, Sit here with the wife, drink a beer or two and watch this. Halfway through it, I'm like, well, Santos Bnacci is amazing, and he's great this this, you know, I'm hooked. So I've just kind

of been on that truth seeking things since. But it's kind of ironic because you look back on that hindsight of you know, like some of my father built parts for the ISS, and it's like decompartmentalized and all of that kind of you know, like Bob blaz are people like that, did bob Blazar build things like he said he did? Or did bab Blazar think he built

think? You know what I'm kind of saying, like, you can build parts, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those parts are in space, meaning like my dad with the ISS parts and things like, so, you know, you start to kind of dig deeper and deeper, and yeah, we never saw any construction videos of the ISS, Like how did it get up there? Like it's been what twenty twenty two or three twenty four years something like that. Now, yeah it was late nineties, right, yeah,

ninety eight or something like that. So I don't know. It's just kind of crazy. So I start looking into Nassa before I even get into the flat earth stuff, just all their fallacies because I was interested in Antarctica, like why can't we go here? But then once you start fighting the flat earth, You're like, well, now that makes a little more sense. Okay. So I mean you said, Dave Weiss is uh what got you

into it? Right? Yes, sir? Okay, yeah, and it's kind of funny like your story you said, just like every flatter we all do it. We're like, no, that's crazy. I'm not even gonna Oh, I'll sit here and study JFK for twelve hours straight. Yeah, I'm not even that two seconds of the thought. So I mean, anyways, it's just that's just how I can to it. I just always had questions, and as you get a little more questions answered, it creates ten

more questions along the way. You know. That's just how conspiracies and things work. So here we are, you know, Yeah, and this isn't isn't it funny? He supposed to be over? No? No, no, you go ahead. What did you say? I'm sorry. I was saying, when's the Antarctic Treaty supposed to end? Oh? They keep kicking it down the curb. Originally I want to say it was in the twenty forties. Okay, yeah, I know, it's like, you know,

within fifteen twenty somewhere, you know, years from now. But no, no, in the state of everything else going on on our plane or planet or whatever we want to call it, who knows if America's even gonna hit It's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, which is in what six years? Yeah, exactly. The Antarctic Treaty expires in twenty forty eight, although with the protocol it's it's an indefinite agreement, So I guess the twenty forty eight is

just a formal agreement, but it really has no one date. According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Oh favorites man. So yeah, I don't know. It's just m like, what about you? Is there anything that you like personally, like lately, have been catching onto or anything, you know what I mean, like anything new that's caught your attention? You know. To me, I'm starting to look I think the news and

social media they act as a magician with slight of hand. They want you to look over here, Like the big thing that they're telling everybody to look at is this whole Russia Ukrainian nuclear you know, you know, but what's going on? What's really going on? There's got to be something else going on because normally when they say, hey, look over here, there's something

going on over here. So it's you know, it kind of got to look under the into the news a little deeper and see what's really going on that you know, all the talk is about Hunter Biden, this and that, but what's really going on. I really think that that is possibly staged as well, Oh for sure. Who I mean, I don't know how people on crack maybe do mysterious things, I guess, But who was that many incriminating photos of yourself, especially while you're bad? Was the vice president

at the time now sitting presidents or residence more like it? But you know, like how it's almost like too convenient, Like say you're a detective showing up on a murder scene. It's like, well, that's just completely cut and dry. Sometimes you get a like gut feeling. They're like, maybe there's something more to it, Like you're saying about Ukraine and Russia, like, oh, Poutin's bad guy, and I'm not apologizing for him, but

they won't ever tell you that. Ever, every UM president since the fall of the Berlin Wall has extended NATO eastward, which now it's pretty much asking to be right at the you know, back door or pouting, which not saying that's good or a bad day of what he's doing. I'm saying that, don't don't go poke a dog, don't go provoke a bear either, you know. So there could be truth to what's going on, and there could be more lies to it. So that's where they try to get you

upside down. You don't know whether you're coming or going because you know, some people will say, well, there's nothing going on in Ukraine, so you don't even look at it at all, and they can still sneak other stuff by now that you're not even looking at back. Does that make sense? See them? And again there is even a website and I I urge

everyone caution. I think it's like uh Biden Laptop Report dot org or dot com and this guy has actually taken like two hundred page report on everything that was on the laptop and and exactly what you said, who when when your father is in a position of that power, you would absolutely have to be the dumbest human being on earth or like you said, this is all scripted to, uh, you know, to take our attention away from what's really

going on or what we should really be paying attention to. And like you said, we back in ninety one. I think it was ninety one when uh, you know, the USSR broke up and everybody went to their individual countries and our side of the deal was, don't worry, we won't uh step one step closer to you know, to Russia and now I think Finland is part of NATO, and they've already basically said it's just a matter of

time before Ukraine becomes NATO. And look what happened when um, when Russia showed up a Cuba we we about, you know, we went crazy. So rules for THEE but not for me, is the old saying, right, Oh, I know it's crazy, And that's the that's the funny thing. You just brought up the Russian and Cuba hood. It's like, you know, how many times is the world? You know, all the world's stage, you know, whether you want to look at it as Shakespeare or

as Rush. But you know, it's kind of ironic that everything repeats over and over again. It's, you know, the same conflicts again now that happened back then. But certain things like say like they were trying to kick

off something with Cuban soil back then with was it an Operation Northwoods? You know, and you're like, well, wait a minute, nobody knew about that now back then, But now that we have the itera like that sounds like something happened twenty close years ago, you know, and so you just you start to realize that, like you said, even if it's on the news, can you even take it for a grand assault? I mean, like, and then if it's in a history book, well who wrote those

history books setting people that are on the news channels? You know, that's right. So you end up being the guy on the conspiracy name Charlie from It's always sunny with the red lines going everywhere, you know, you get convoluted real quick. Yeah, that's my favorite little name or gift, whatever it is. It's that's me. Sometimes I have a board in my office here and there's just stuff everywhere all over it. People come in and look

at me like you're nuts. Huh yeah, right right. My mind's always thinking and and and on my other podcast, it's only a matter of time no matter what it is, These spider webs always interconnect always, yeah, on multiple levels. The what is it? The you know, like Santos some of the people to talk about it is there's like the thirteen families or

something like that. Yeah, twelve families like the Orsini's and listen, I don't remember all in the sound, but very I think we'll have them are like Roman name, yeah, the Paisers, Paysers, whatever you want to say. But you know, and it's kind of crazy when you look at all the presidents the time, you're like, wait, how many of these

guys have all been related to each other? How's that even possible. It's kind of like a cool kids club that we're not in big gang up on you and I don't know, it's it's kind of a it's kind of weird that like they've allowed the Internet to go on as long as it has because it's almost like it got away from them. But they can also put more and more false information out there that, like said earlier, not know if

you're coming or going left or right? You know that's right, And I think you know, when we talk about discernment, it works both ways. We're quick to take debait on things that that they throw out there that are completely ridiculous. I completely I kind of paid attention to the queue and kept track of it. I was never pro or against. I just took the information and some of it seemed legits. Some of them was kind of far

out. But when they went the route that JEFFK Jr. Was going to show up in October of twenty twenty and saved the world, you know, I never followed it or read anything from it again. It was just, you know, it's funny you said that right now, because I was selling my wife last night, Okay, And so I've been kind of keeping up on this whole RFK thing right now because I'm not left or right, and if you have to classify me, I'm libertarian. I just likewise, I'm

all mind to the two party politics. But I like what RFK is kind of saying because he's saying he's confusing people because he's kind of saying things like the right winger would say, but he's saying it under the guys of a left winger. So it's confusing both parties where it's actually having to make them think instead of just tow a party line. So some people would say, I'm not gonna because I'm a Democrat and he sounds like a Republican. Some

Republicans will say, I'll never vote for him. You get what I'm saying. But it actually makes people have to listen what the guy's saying. And it's kind of ironic that I pointed out to her lesson that I was like, you know, what if like my encounters or things like that, what if they were just like a week or two off, just a little off,

but they were close and they're intent. You know, well, what if maybe the que thing because I never bought into it, but like you said, it's interesting to look at and take take it as it is whatever, right, and and what if they just gotta let it wrong. If it wasn't JFK June or whatever, it was RFKA Junior and they got the date wrong, I don't know, that's interesting anything if possible. But I

was like, that's kind of a funny thing. As much attraction as he's getting right now, I'm like, well, if they just got one letter wrong, I don't know. Yeah, that is interesting. And we are so quick to throw allegiance to an elite. And you know, I had a friend he used to say all the time that we should completely abolish political parties. You shouldn't be you know, Derek with an R next your name, or George with a D next your name. It should just be Derek.

And this is what I believe. In us. It's a joke because people blindly walk into voting booths and we'll just pull our and not have a clue who they are voting for as a person, just because they affiliate themselves look at Wilbur Ross, who was nominated by Donald Trump secretary of Commerce. He was a lifetime from nineteen fifty eight until twenty seventeen. He was a Democrat. He woke up called Donald Trump. He said I'm feeling a little

Republican today, and Trump said, I nominate you secretary of Commerce. And this guy was a Roth's child agent who belle Trump out of bankruptcy back in eighty six or eighty seven. It's just we are the political party thing is such a joke, so divisive, and they laugh at us because they'll take any crisis, whether it be organic or created, to divide us, just

to keep the light off of them. And that's what's funny is, you know, we can sit here and recognize these things, but then somebody, you know, most people are too afraid to even come out and say that. You know, hens like coming out of the closet saying you're a flat earth are basically and I'm not comparing those two. I'm just saying it's funny out they're like, oh, I came out of the flat earth closet,

you know, as what a lot of people call on that todays. It's ironic and They're like, people are like so quick to judge and laugh at that, but that are like, like you just said, they'll go walk into a voting booth, not read it, and they just vote straight red or blue. Yeah, they're like, you're gonna laugh at me for doing more resource than you've ever done in your entire life. You know, it's kind of ironic, it is. Indeed, I wanted to ask you where

were you? Said, You've always been inquisitive, even as a youngster in school. But where were you in the realm of let's say, um, you know jaff k to flat Earth or you know the desert too completely Pacific Ocean. Where were you in your truth journey when you came upon flatterth Had you been a truth or had you gone down the nine eleven rabbit holes and the moon landing things? Yeah, and that's what's funny, is um.

I'm actually a musician as well, and I've played in multiple bands, like cover bands, original bands and stuff like that, and so knowing a bunch of people and like I live in Oklahoma, So I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma. I live in old Malgy like our south now. But you

know, playing the Tulsa music scene and Oklahoma City, you know. But my point was was you'd get to know a bunch of cool people, and then the more you hang out with them and have a couple of beers and you know, talked about the night everybody sort of knowing me as like the crazy conspiracy guy, not like they thought I was crazy that they would have talked to me like Derek, what kind of new story you got for us

today, guy? And so that's why I started having that. It's kind of like that Eddie Bravo backstory of just like being the musician and then hearing the crazy stuff because you're into some of the you know, you're like, well, there's some weird people in the world because you're playing CD bars or stuff like that, you now, and so you just meet weird acquaintances along the way. People bring stuff up You're like, I've never heard of that. You look good to it. So you just keep learning more, more

and more things. And you know, like I said, my buddy out and every time I share, like a such a cool photo of Staturn, he's like that, it's not a photo, it's an image, Like we mean, it's an image. He's like, well, it's all CGI. Just looking at it. I'm like, okay, so I started looking into NASA's lies. So then he started, okay, so you're catching on. And then by the way, the Earth is flat, and I'm like,

what are you talking about? I got you on the CGI. That makes sense, all right, But like I said, the numbers they come up with the you know, the fact that what are we three was it four speeds? We're moving to night like a thousand miles at the equator an hour six thousand? Was the sixty six thousand, six hundred. Yeah, we're chasing the sun at sixty six thousand. Then the Sun's rotating or something too,

and then the whole galaxies movements. You're like, that doesn't make sense with the linement of the stars when you watch time lapse videos ten years apart, how do they line up in these act same spot? How did the pyramids still line up within them, you know, millispac or whatever, to the same stars they were made. You know, it's like, see start

realizing, like, how's that even possible if everything's moving? The answer is it's not like you know, like I don't know, it's you just gotta kind of feel flat Earth in your gut, like once you know, you know, like once you start to see the facts light out in front of you that, oh, ships disappear over the horizon and then all of a sudden, I remember the first part, one of the first parts of Global whenever they zoomed in over the horizon and the ships pop back up. That

blew my mind. I had to rewind that like three more times. I was like, what am I looking at right now? Like this is I don't I've never seen this before. You know, this is like a secret to humanity, and it really is. And that's what it comes down to is if you, I mean, what's your thoughts on I'm very I'm pretty biblical. I'm very open. I mean, I'm very biblical. Also I'm

follower of Jesus. But I'm also in I like the whole Christ consciousness and stuff too, which means I believe Christ existed, but I believe He also is like within our heart every day. Two kind of things. So that's why would you feel warm and fuzzy when you do a good deed, because that's your remind you know, those kind of things. And so what I'm getting at is, like, I know there's many mentions of the firmament, but Hitler brought up on his newest one level with me that he thinks the

firmament is flat. So I think like you were laying layering up a BLT sandwich or something, you know what I mean, like a layer upon a layer upon a layer like or do you think it's round like a dome? Because I could go either way. I'm not if we don't know, how are we to know thing? You know? So it's it's still an open ended question. But I'm kind of interested in the more land theory because it would make more sense of why there's so much control on you know, prices

of eggs and milk and everything else. And you know what I mean in oil and oh there's limited resources, but what if there's unlimited resources? You know, it's all what if speculatives. But that's that's my biggest thing that gets me hung up. Not hung up in a bad way, but like that's what really started get me hooked. It's like, how can how can

somebody tell you there's not extra land? What if there's extra land that's on the discovered areas of the oceans we know and then they just don't tell you there's there. Well, then Japan found a bunch of new islands, didn't think, right, And if you look, if you just look at the Pacific, the expanse of the Pacific Ocean, I am I believe that somewhere out there is probably another type of continent. Now. The thing that I think about, you know, I was onto the extra terra, as David

Weiss would say, extra territory. But the thing is, I do believe it is kind of we're in a kind of a snow globe. So I do believe it comes to the ground. And the thing is, if there is like land past and the Antarctic Wall, that would I think I think I think it would require another son, right, And that's the thing I too agree with, because it's like you would have to have some kind of other illumination, you know, like right, yeah, you'd have to have

some kind of heat force or something, you know. But oh, you know, it's like what if maybe it just goes just a look like it said, maybe it isn't like a big snow globe, but it just goes like it's like a half and a half. Maybe it goes a little bit farther than we know. I don't know. I don't know. It's just strange because I don't you know, wouldn't it be crazy to be able to

just because it's all speculative If we can't go to Antarctica. That's the fun part about thinking of every avenue available, is like we can't go, so but wouldn't it be cool to just walk up and then, like the Truman Show is shift, Yeah, there's a wall. We found it, we made it, you know, and if just what if you were able to go look for it and just kept going, You're like, how is this even? You know, there'd be a whole other scary thing altogether too.

Yeah, for sure. Um, And I think it's in trigging if you go back again to that nineteen fifty eight Encyclopeda Britannica that you know it said that there's a firmamentute what fifty eight degrees at thirteen thousand feet and between operation fishbowls sending up the rockets. I think they have a better idea. Obviously, it's not a coincidence that right after that they went NASA full fledged and started the space movement, because it's all you know, this is all about

deceit um. You know, Satan knows how the game ends, and he's trying to take as many people down with him as he possibly can. And you know, everything in our world, whether it be the news, our money, you know that's fake. It's not even gold back, it's just printed up monopoly money. Did you know the same thing as like the go ahead? Sorry, I was just going to say, did you know that one month's interest payment to the Federal Reserve is more than the entire Veterans Affairs

annual funding. Wow, that's insane, just for the interest payment. That's insane. That's that's sometimes like a passion of mine that I'm going to eventually started. My wife's in nursing school. I'm she's going to go to like a higher education part of nursing school, like you know, like a higher field. Yeah, And after she gets downe to school, I'm going to I'm wanting to do psychiatry or psychology for VA like VA hospitals. Like that's

that's my plan. Awesome, because I came from a military family and everything, and it's just you know, it's you know, like money. Okay, So the double edge of you know, it's like nineteen eighty four double speak or whatever. So we got the irony of the money is worthless for the most part. In a way, it's it's a man made, agreed upon thing, you know, right, but it's not really anything. It's not backed by anything. Thanks Nixon, right gold stands Yeah yeah, yeah

yeah. So but the other side of it is like, even though money is this fake thing, we're shoveling billions and billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine and we don't even see, you know, like we complain about taxation without representation, Like where does any of that money even being used for? Can we see like a video of Ukraine saying thanks for these new homebies or this new at eighteen, right, you know what I mean? Like we

don't even know where that money is going at all. So, like I said, it's the irony that like we've got people starving in our streets. We're we're sending the money over there. But at the same time, money is worthless because they just keep printing money. That's where they keep us. Like I said that, I don't know if you're coming or going. You

know, It's like diamonds. Everybody's thought diamonds were so value well forever and we find it out they're only as valuable as somebody would pay for him, you know. That's it, That's right. Yeah, And that's the same with art many type of things. Its value is basically in the eye of the beholder. When you go to these auctions, what does it mean to these people? Mm hmm, Well, somebody might want a seventy two Ford Pinto just because that was our first car, and they'll pay a boatload of

money because of our lives. Say, who would want a Pinto? They were garbage exactly. I had a sixty six Ford Galaxy five hundred. That thing was like thirty feet long. Nice. I like the old boats. Yeah, me too. It was great. My better half she hates the old like I want a little Cadillac or linking little big old scarface boat or something. They were great. They drive so smoothly. Even it was, you know, twenty years old when I got it, it was still a

great car. Well, and it also goes to like that's you know, the funny talk about cars, just because it's the same thing as everything in this world nowadays, Like you know, cars were built to last back then and everything like people's mentality, and they just work as its shifted so much since back in the sixties, every new car that came out was pretty cool looking. Well, there was a station wagon or a big old boat that

your Grandpawa drives that were like, man's got some class. Nowadays every car looks like an egg. Like every car looks exact same. They Ferrari just came out with an suv that looks exactly the same as a mas To suv. It's like four hundred thousand dollars. You're like, why would you buy

that? So, you know, it's kind of funny that we want to say the ancients or people that like back to the flat Earth or whatever, you know, like, oh, you click on any video on YouTube that mentions flat Earth, the new little Wikipedia thing pops up, you know, and it's an orchaic blah blah blah. But it's like full wait a minute. We talk about archaic, but we got pyramids we can't build. We don't understand the mathematics of how they were able to align those things up or

moved the blocks. We've got. Um, well, let me ask this. Do you do you listen to any of Graham Hancock? You know who he is. Yeah, he's the English guy. Right, Yes, he's very interesting. I don't know if I believe everything, but he's very like interesting to listen to you. I want to say last year I went to

a phase where I listened to some of his stuff. Is there is so much stuff out there to consume, Like I'll find something, listen to it, and then I'll get an email from somebody check this out, and I'll listen to that. It's like this rotating cycle of people I continue to listen to. But I do recall listening to him, to him for for a

little while last year, and see. The only thing I don't agree with with him sometimes is he talks about I mean, I don't know how I completely feel about certain things on his timeline, but I do like how he brings up things like he makes it seem like the earth is older than his is, but I don't know how old it is either, you know,

I mean we we do, but we don't in ways. I mean, like I'm not to say like the Bible's wrong, but things, you know, it's like a telephone game, what a certain part of God omitted or changed or this or that from like you know, translation or translation, little things got miscommunicated or so what if it's slightly older, slightly shorter. We don't know. But I think when people start really putting, say like a conspiracy, what was the the Mayans of the World's going to end twenty twelve?

Put an actual, like exact, exact fact on it kind of thing, you're usually gonna like you're doomed to fail. And sometimes because you're like, man, he can't be that precise. You can't walk into a Vegas you know, I want thirty two black blah blah blah on a roulette board. Like the odds of that are really hard. So I don't know. I mean, I just think that our timeline has been lied to it,

probably every direction, every bit of history, his story. You know, it's like I shared a Norman McDonald plus the soul, who's one of those satire awesome ones, like a George Carlin was in comedy, but I shared a meme with him this morning. The said, man, isn't it funny you look at an history book and the good guys one every time? Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it. Who would have thunk it? You know? Gral Hill and was it Glenn Maxwell? Yeah, yeah, Robert Maxwell

and then Leon Black from Apollo Management. Some of the se these people, uh in our world has you know, owned the history books. It's should it should be eye opening. And like you said, it's the good guys win every time. And I've done extensive podcasts on you know, Woodrow Wilson, how flawed he was, how the lies and especially you know world War two, how you know Hitler was vilified more. And I think the podcast was called the Greater Good and we were talking about what's his name, the

guy who was running Russia UM during World War two? Stalin? Yeah, thank you, and he killed fifty million people. But no, it's you're not going to find that in the US history books. It is just as they're not gonna hear him about how I mean it's horneymen cut off. But how many Russian soldiers helped fight Hitler? Also possibly I don't know, but you know, like you don't hear of their mentioned was every because the students world War two was over, to our knowledge, Russia instantly became the bad

guy. With the bad guy now we got to have a new one pretty much like anyway. Sorry, but that's that industrial complex, you know, the money machine, it is. And then you look at Patton. You know, he mentioned that we fought the wrong people and a couple of days later he was dead. Yes, and I've said for a long time with World War Two, Germany lost the war, not the Nazis, because guess what happened right afterward? Oh, we got an operation paper clip. And

when I got you know, we got all these guys. They were atrocious crimes. Like you know, it's one thing if you're gonna like forgive face some infantry men that were just you know, manipulated, they thought they were doing something was right. Propaganday got the best of them. They got family, they thought they're fighting for. And I'm not sympathized them by any means wiser that goes with any war any any time ever, Like think of you know, if Afghanistan and Iraq. Yeah, Iraq as a perfect example.

You kill a guy possibly and then his twelve year old son in four years is radicalized and carrying his dad's old ak. So it's just a generational thing because he's now he's mad because in his eyes, America killed his father or whatever, you know what I'm saying. So, of course, so people will find these weird ways to justify things when they've got their family on the

line or things like that. Right, and so it's ironic that yeah, like I said, Germany lost the war really when it comes to infrastructure wise, economy and everythingsoever, not the Nazis, because that just moved over across the bond as they call it, across the pond, you know. Yeah, and then Russia got a bunch of them too, right, Yeah, oh absolutely it was it was they say fifty fifty, but who really knows.

It's it was a race. And once that started, you know, we we overlooked everything, all the atrocities that they did, and uh, we brought them over. We gave them jobs at the highest It's not like we brought them in and we we handcuffed them in a laboratory and say okay, now, uh, you know, figure this out. We where von bron was on top of the world stage doing movies with Walt Disney. Yes

that's the next Yes, it's insane. And Walt Disney known to man family programming and in a time where you know there was i mean his tell of vision. You know TV shows what people call them TV shows now that they kind of forget what they originally called programs. That's right, that's kind of ironic, you know, programs on your tell of Vision, Like hmm,

can we not get any more obvious? Like it's you know, it's like a bad b movie, like the action bad guy you know is you know, mister Nasty is the bad guy, like a Bond villain, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's like can you get any more obvious? So you know, and then you got word of on broad and doesn't even try to hide his accent, doesn't even like you can change your name, you can try to like learn a little bit. It's like you don't even

care because you're in the cool kids protected group. And have you ever got into the Tartaria rabbit hole. I've just started too, and I've gotten some great links from listeners, and it is very interesting that a lot of people think that the Tartarian episode really like did your research kind of like eighteen fifty

to eighteen seventy timeline? Okay, So yeah, that's where I've kind of really looked at because, like I said, I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, So something that's always been questionable to me and not questionable that it didn't happen. But we've all a lot of people have just recently found out about the Tulsa race master in the last couple of years of it. Yeah, and a lot of people didn't know other ever, including people on Tulsa. It wasn't Ton Googles, it was you know. And so that goes to your

Rockefeller education. And it's ironic that to me, I've noticed a pattern of like, Okay, Tartaria, what I really noticed is the World's Fairs the end of the eighteen hundreds, beginning of the nineteen hundreds, and I'd say from like eighteen eighty to about nineteen twenty, nineteen thirty, there was in every major city in the US a massive fire in their downtown district. And

if you look into where a lot of these fires were. Or also like the World's Fairs, the World's Fairs, they built these in like a year, these massive, beautiful, beautiful structures that are like could never be made again. They said they built them in a year and did them for the World's Fairs, brought all these people in and tore it all down right afterwards.

It just makes absolutely no sense. And that's the thing is, like, start googling photos of like the Chicago World Fair, that's amazing what they did, Toronto's Worldfare, Paris World Fair, like they're all over the world, and so it's not some people think Tartaria is like just Russia, but I don't know all the answers on it either and nobody does. But that's the funny thing is once you start looking, you're like, I found one answer, but I got ten more questions. Now equate a minute. You

know, you just opened the two more doors. So it's very interesting because it also fits that timeline of there's people that look into the Tartaria stuff on free energy. They were they were able to tap. And if you've ever dove into any of Santos stuff, he talks a little bit about like the ether and things like that and the energy in the world. So you hear

people that do grounding. Me and my drummer we both do, like I mean, not together, but we both are into like you know, conspiracies and things and higher education and whatnot, and so we do grounding and sun gazing and things like that. And it's crazy how you can just feel that natural charge from the Creator, from the luminaries, from the sun, from

everything. It's like it's you know, it's you can't explain it, but what I'm getting at is with the Earth, it's you know, Tesla was trying to tap into free energy and then Tesla dies and he was, you know, basically made up. He died broke, and you know, he's made into this weird cook kind of like a Howard Hughes or something, you know, And it's ironic that what where did the energy shift come from?

Like you can't just discover energy, like it's got to be already there, Like you can't create it, like you get what I'm saying, like like an alchemist or something. So it's funny that people say, like, well, Tesla discovered free energy, and it's kind of like almost like saying Columbus discovered America, Like you can't discover something that's already existing. You just didn't know what existed. So it's like now you found it, right, but

you know, I don't know. Like that's that's where the Tartarius stuff kind of lines up with is a lot of get Paris and places like that. There's these giant spires and things like these giant parts of the buildings with big, big crosses and metal beams and things like that, which they were saying was sending electricity through the air instead of like through the ground or through wires. So Tartaria goes in twenty thousand different directions because a lot of people just

they take whatever they like and run with that kind of thing. But when you look at actual historical buildings and structures, there's a lot of weirdness of the mud floods and things like that that we've heard of stuff like that from Bible too in the past, So who knows. Like that's the best part about flat Earth is you don't have to know what the earth looks like or what the history book is. Just know that what you're being told is usually

a croc you know. Yeah, And the thing that you would mentioned to Taria And if you look at that timeline, well, is it possible, and I'm just tossing it out there, is it possible that the Civil War story was a cover because you know they talk about reconstruction in eighteen seventy one, that lines up with a lot of these worlds fairs and the story that

goes on with Titaria. Absolutely, And that's that's what I'm saying. It's a fun rambthole if you if you stick with just watching, like don't necessarily believe the history book, but use that as like a starting point to be like, Okay, they're saying this event happened just like we did with fans at nine to eleven or okay, see bombing or KFK, Like here's what they say of the event is now let's look on to see what looks like

the fallacies and what's like actually did possibly happen? You know, And so you start looking into the cowboys stuff, you know, that area of times Civil War and like you know, post Civil War cowboys and Jesse James and all that. We're we're only told we weren't alive then, you know, and those generations of great grandparents and things like that there they passed. Now, I mean, we're losing most of our what is it, ninety plus

percent of the World War two survivors have all passed. Yeah, So what it really kind of sucks is you know, like I'm part native as well, and it's like it's cool with different cultures or different whatever wherever you're from

around the world. Like if traditions don't get passed on, the storyline can die right there with that person, you know, so meaning the truth, Like what if somebody you know, like, what if the history book says this, but your great great grandfather two weeks before he died told you I was at open now or something, or you know what I mean, like and can tell you something different. You're like, that's really interesting. How

do you discredit a first hand witness? That's right, But when the first hand witnesses are all gone, it's all mental manipulation, you know, you can just write whatever you want. Yeah, And I got to experience of fiction and nonfiction, you know, Yeah, I got to experience that when I interviewed two of the survivors from the USS Liberty. The history books tell

you that our flag wasn't flying and it was an accident. I interviewed two of these guys who were on that boat that day that we're like literally pulling people out from this sinking ship and keeping it at a float, And they said, you know, the flag was flying. It was very clear, and U you know, they had called was a fifth fifth fleet, and they recalled it. They knew it was very obvious that it was all a

setup to sink that ship and pull us into that war. Um, so you know that was one of the clearest days where the history books are obvious lies to promote an agenda. Are you still there? I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me? Yep? Oh goodness, you still got me? Yeah, I'm sorry. Phone started beating in a phone call. It was a scam telemarketer. Anyways. Oh you're good. I was trying to get that turned off as quick as poll. No, you're good. Um. So, yeah, you were saying the US

of celebrity. That's really cool that you got the interview. And and see that's also like firsthand accounts, like you know, back to Dave Weiss mentioned him that that hundred year old lady Ruth or whatever that he was interviewed and that she was talking about being taught flat earth in schools, and so you know, yeah, back to like say the timeline of Civil War to Rockefeller.

I mean what nineteen twenty art Feller education system took over so the pharmaceutical yes, yes, And I mean so there's so much convolutedness that Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes I'm a neverd to like old old school video games. There's a even heard of metal gear solid cherries got Hideo Kojima is like no one is like the greatest almost movie producer but video game maker of all time because it's all military industrial complex conspiracies, convoluted double triple agents probably,

So you know, it's one of those things. That's that's the world we live in where you know, it's life imitates art, no arts imitating life. Now, wait, it's going back and forth. And what did you say all the time? Truth or lies in the media? In truth? What is it? Yeah? It lies in the media, truth in Hollywood? Yeah, truth in Hollywood. Yea yeah. And you know it's kind of funny how certain you know, nineteen eighty four. We used to be a fiction book, Now it's nonfiction. They live. It used to be

a sci fi movie, now it's real. You know, how did certain things? You know, that's saying the matrix is completely real. But it did a good job twenty plus years ago of getting people's attention a little bit. I will say that of whether the world's simulation or nothing like that, I'm not saying that, but these people started questioning things that they never thought

of before. I think that's kind of cool that we are maybe, and I think you've heard the battle of the Great Awakening and the Great Reset, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And I think, you know, I think both battles are winning. I think it's just matters of whose side just you know, battle of attrition goes as the farthest, you know. And I think the Great Awakening is a good thing that whether we need this truth, they're information, like we do need it. But you know,

it's kind of funny. That's like that the red or blue pill, like the matrix, like it is nice, you know, like the bad guy that hold him out, the ball guy. You know, I want to enjoy this steak, I want to enjoy this glass of wine or whatever. You know, It's like it is nice to check out, you know, Blue Pillet once in a while, but once you open your eyes, like like once you go flat, you never go back or whatever. It's kind of funny that you can turn on any TV show, any commercial, anything

whatsoever. It's like, you know, back to RFK, people all of a sudden are talking about vaccines. I'm not going into that another them, but just whatever, but people are having discussions. That's all that needs to be done in this world is people have gone forever with no discussion of anything. So same as you know, you turn on your kid's favorite Disney Channel show and you're like, wait a minute, like an Illuminati triangle in the

background. You know, you just start catching different little things in life that you've just taken for granted for twenty years. And I don't know, I think that's just all really can all do is just keep trying to learn more information. You know, we won't know at all, but try to stay a step ahead of the rulers or whoever. You know. Yeah, it's

been in our face the entire time. It's not until you're awake until you realize that there's even from the flint Stones to the old school comics they had, there's one of him holding, you know, with his freemason a little bib on, and it's just it's always been in our face. Yeah, the Simpsons, Yeah, yeah, Stonecutter's Lodge or whatever they got. Yeah, you know, Freemason's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. And to

put a pretty bow on the titteria. If anybody hasn't, if you've never researched star Forts and that has links to the Confederacy as well in freemasonry, go research is that that eighteen seventy eight nineteenth century. I think there are some you know, I don't whether mud flood or a reset, you know,

like a history reset. I don't know exactly what it is, but there's certainly something to ferry us. The controllers really took charge, because you go back to eighteen fifteen with Waterloo, that's when the Rothchilds really kind of took over the world. And you kind of see that was just a couple of years after the twenty Year Charter, which caused the word eighteen twelve. So and so so let me ask you this one too. Okay, so this in a way we'll tie into flat earth. What people laugh at this

one too? And so you look into it. What are your thoughts on dinosaurs? Are you? Are you hooked on dinosaurs? I have flip flapped on dinosaurs in the Bible? Correct, Well, there are verses that mentioned giants and beings, right, So I think there were large whether or not they were actual dinosaurs or Tyrannosaurus is there were obviously large animals that don't exist anymore didn't make it through the flood. M Is it fair to say?

I don't know, but I think the dinosaur story that obviously, if you google dinosaurs, they will tell you that they existed millions of years ago. So I think this is one of those partial truth partial lies, where they take it and they use it to their advantage to make you believe something that goes against biblical teachings. Right, So let me ask you this. Let me ask you just just you know, picking your brain on a thought,

real quick, like just spontaneous. So we know, you know all these different ages, you know, those Stone Age, the Bronze Age, whatever, Right, all these different civilizations changing and you know, advancing through the years technologies, and we also know of this time where if you want to believe, you know, I'm not saying to us, but if you want to believe, like the Big Bank theory, and then all of a sudden there's the primordial soup of things doing its thing and organisms and all of a

sudden, tadpoles are growing legs and this, you know what I mean. That's the whole evolution theory of things. And so then you get to the giants. Because the terra firma whatever, the earth was apparently so much hotter back then, like volcanoes everywhere or whatever. I so everything got massive and

huge. The irony though, is if you look into like structure engineers or anybody like that, people who build robots or vehicles or buildings or anything, they'll tell you that there's no way that like a t rex or you know, other dinosaurs could carry the weight that they were carrying, like a t

rex could balance on two legs. When you start to actually just think of that little question like that, you're like, yeah, that is kind of like almost physically impossible, and then nothing, you know, I'm gonna watch the word but not to sound like dirty, but I just want everybody to think of how dinosaurs would procreate because nobody's got a real answer for that. Yea happened, doesn't physically seem possible. And so what I'm getting at is

um eighteen was it eighteen sixty something, sixty two or three? Jesuit Priests is the first person who have ever used the word dinosaur in a sentence and documentation because he believed in dinosaurs. A year later to the exact day, finds the first bone, one bone, and then is able to construct and draw what a dinosaur looks like from one bone. So then what's crazy is if you look into every other dinosaur that's been discovered in the past one hundred

and fifty one hundred and seventy five years. It's that same story every time we found three bones, five bones, maybe twelve bones out of a five hundred bone body or whatever. You know what I'm saying. So they're constructing things out of imagination, just kind of like space okay, with space travel on nebulas and whatnot. Because then you look into China. China is the

biggest supplier of manufactured dinosaur bones on the planet. And if you look at the Smithsonian and everybody, they all hide the real bone and they're all fakes

that are out there in front of you to see at the exhibits. So it's not saying that they are or aren't real, but it's just one of those raises a bunch more red flags where you're like, WHOA, how come in one hundred and fifty plus years of saying there's dinosaurs, which is really short possibly and human history for as long ago as they apparently were, how come no Native Americans are ever told of digging up dinosaurs. That's a good

question that nobody ever thinks about. Like say, sixteen hundreds, nobody found a dinosaur back then, you know, so we did find giants though, so you know, it gets into the convoluted waters. But once again it comes down to like iss floating in water, you're not really floating in space.

You're making it look like that. That's right. You build a giant dinosaur structure you see in front of you, which blows your mind because we all saw Jurassic Park and it's once you can realize that it's all sci fi because it's still fun to watch. My kids like to watch them, but I drop hints of things, but I don't ruin their childhood either, you

know. That's the that's the double edged sort of it. It's like you gotta kid, just grabe your kids by the shoulders and tell them to wake up because I got a nine year old at a four and a half year old and then a four month old now. So it's like I can't start shaking my kids and get them in trouble at school by going to challenge because

we're still working on the we want to do the homeschool thing. But it's just you know, you gotta work and you gotta you know, life is life, but it's like you gotta keep your kid not to be the weirdo. I don't mind being the weirdo in society, but you don't want your kid to get made of And it's like, dang it, that's what they've done to us. Is you know you gotta you just gotta go along with their lives basically, you know what I mean. Yeah, we've taken the

approach. I mean, she's older now that our youngest is thirteen, will be fourteen soon. Is we kind of do the double edge. We say, hey, this is what they teach in the history books and this is what we believe. That way, they kind of have a grasp on both and we let her, you know, let her do her own critical thinking and decide, you know, what she believes in, right, because the

same thing. We send her to a high school, right, a private school, and she goes in there and they start talking about the globe. You don't want her to go It would just be funny from an aspect, but are you talking about it's flat just the looks that she would get. Howd a universal or whatever knowing a globe look like in nineteen nineteen twenty or right here always comes right back up? What you know, like before we went to space apparently. Yeah, it's funny. My nine year old daughter,

she's very questionable too. And I know a lot of people are very worried of TikTok and whatever. I think you need to be worried about social media things like that. And she and her rolla used as certain men, especially if you have children, like you know, some people are easily led to bs and then they you know, they'll buy into it, like the people that always buy into some Nigerian scam and their email or whatever they send

them a thousand dollars. You know what I'm saying, because like they're just good people that got duped. You know. Yeah, there's my bank account number, here's my routing number. Yeah yeah, oh it's it's a prince. You know. You send me a message. Yeah. My daughter, she's nine, and she'll use TikTok here and then I monitor it, Okay. But the thing I haven't stopped her from using it for is because it keeps her open minded and she'll bring up things about even before this little Titanic

submarine. Dad, do you know about the Titanic and the Olympic the other boat and like JP Morgan and I'm like how do you know these things? You know, like what's his name? Well, buzz buzz looking at that little girl, that's not your question, that's my question. So it's you know, it's like you give them little tidbits and you know, if your kids are into it, they'll they'll look deeper themselves, you know. That's what girl. Also, don't want to be able crazy person scaring crap out

of your kids in school to get epps on their tests. You know. Right, one of our listeners had emailed me she had asked me that question you asked earlier about the dinosaurs, and I guess her little one overheard her talking about it, and next thing you know, he's running around saying there's no such thing as dinosaurs. And she's like, I didn't say it exactly like my daughter about two months ago at the end of the school year,

and she was like that I told my teacher that dinosaurs aren't real. I'm like, that's not what I said, not really a whole lot of proof to completely say they were. I didn't say they're not absolutely real. It's just like, watch what you say is cool, that's awesome. When you're younger like that, you just say things at wholesale what you believe as we get older. It's funny that as we get older, we are more afraid to speak our mind. Not all of us, but a lot of people

right right, And you know it's funny. I've always been a kind of a goofball in a class clown. I was a smart kid. I was always great at math. History was my favorite though, Like I was always into history, and I knew that there was just you know, it's almost like redactions on a Oh we're gonna release these files from thirty years ago, like the government or something, and then you go, why is two thirds

of it just black lines? You know, like nothing makes any sense kind of thing, like there's a bunch of parts missing some nothing really makes any sense. That's what I always felt like in school with our history books. I'm like, there's like chunks of things missing, and then this doesn't make sense for that to happen. Like if you're thinking, like a detective of like walking on the scene, you gotta it's law and order SVU if you will, you know, you're like, you gotta put the best case forward.

These history books don't make sense, and then you know, you look at what they're teaching our kids now. So your daughter, does she have to do the common core math? No? Nope, No, Yeah, that's it's really completely I mean, some people find it easy in their own weird way. I was always the kid in school that I was great at

math, but half the time I couldn't show my work. I could just show my answer, and my teachers would get mad because I'm like, well, I can't explain how I got the right answer, but it's not wrong, is it, you know. And so that's why I do see some things with you know, education, where kids get in trouble for rebelling, where they're like, why are you making things more complicated for us? You

know. That's the thing about education is that I'm glad more parents have started noticing and going taking action and going to like the PTA meetings and things like that too. You know. I think there's just an uptick of people waking up and realizing there's people coming for our minds, our soul, our kids.

It's just, you know, it's not the it's not the world that we were fed in our history book, but it's we're getting lied to by Yeah, all the alphabet organizations, you know, the governments, the big wigs, and we need to get back with our creator, get back with God, get back with our gut feeling what makes sense the most, you know, because, like I said about flat Earth, even if something you just know when you when you start to see certain truths, like I said,

I rewinded that zooming in and out of the boat five times in a row because I could my brain could not process it the first time. I was like, how do I not know this? But why am I learning Pythagorian theorem in high school? Like are you kidding me? Like? What is what is your utility? I can zoom out of vile plus and still

see it a vote that's insanity, So I don't know it. That's the thing that also goes with the education system is a lot of people they get out of school and they're just meant to either go two directions work or jail. And what happens is, like I said, certain things like the internet getting away from people. People can go with their forty hour jobs like I do and everybody else and wear their headphones at work and listen to podcasts and

further their education. I'm not saying don't go to college, but if you're going to go to college, go for certain specific reasons. Know why you're going. Don't go to be animal house for Van wild Er. Don't go waste money, get you know what I'm saying. But go go with a specific goal. If you want to be a doctor, for sure, you're gonna have to. You want to be a lawyer, you want to, you know, know why you're going. Don't just figure it out as you

go and get debt along the way. Because I think, if I'm correct, that student loan debts are the only ones that'll carry over after your grave, like your family members will inherit that really, which is ironic. Yeah, Like it's crazy because you're like, wait a minute, so you're further ring ation. So what I'm getting at is like with the internet now ow

podcasts and information. If you want to learn about Bigfoot, if you want to learn about psychology, you want to, you can learn about it all day while you're doing your regular job and kind of further your education yourself, you know. And I think, like I said, back to that Great Awakening, that's where we're at. And I don't know, the generations have said that the end times are coming. I'm not saying the end times are

coming. But I'm just glad more people are paying attention to what's happening, you know. And I'm glad you brought that up because I try to ask every guest this question. Do you think that they overplayed their hand with COVID and did that have a Do you believe it had a large part of this kind of great awakening we're experiencing right now? Well, absolutely, I can give you, Like I didn't know if you know, some people are afraid

to bring up the sword or whatever on podcasts. I wanted to tread lightly, but I know you've talked about it before. But well, I look at is. Yeah, it's like there's too many questions. Nobody really. I mean, I don't know if you've listened to much Eddie Bravo, but I don't I like the way he kind of looks at it is. There's

a few situations that kind of happened to COVID. They either hijack the flu where it was ironic that first Winter Member of twenty and twenty because it all crap hit the fan March of twenty twenty, because it's ironic because my nine year old daughter or we were gonna go take her to see the band Kiss the day the world stopped, because that's her favorite band on the planet, all right, And the day of the world stopped was the day that Kiss

was playing Tulsa. I was like, are you kidding me? So the show was canceled, and then it was postponed like a year and a half from there, we finally got to the two wasn't But my point it is was once that like they started kind of getting that ball rolling from March, like you know, you started as a little snowball and then it turns into the big, big snowball coming down the mountain. And once that winter time hit flu season, how come there was no flu that year? Everybody forgot

that, you know what I mean. And so the PCR tests in the beginning, people forgot that those tests were rated at like four doses or whatever, so which means that it was basically way more sensitive of a test, and they could not tell the difference between COVID and the flu on the test, so a flu positive would say positive for COVID basically, so they had to change was yeah, thirty cycles or something to twenty four cycles. That's

what it was. They had to change the test, because when everybody was all of a sudden test and positive, everybody, you didn't even know you're sick and you're positive. It's like Oprah, you get a couch, you're sick, you're sick, you're you know, Like I didn't even sneeze or nothing, you know, And I never caught COVID. But it's just I think that they yeah, like you said, they they bit off more than they could choose. They tried to scare everybody, but it brought up way

more to red flags to a lot of people. And there's people like me that caught a bunch of weirdness in the beginning. But there's people that were just go with the flow every day, happy, go lucky, leave it, the Beaver families, and all of a sudden they started catching weird red flags. And so there's that great awakening of like Norman's all of a sudden, you know, or like when the riots. I've always been a gun guy, like I said, I'm a military family. I just I've never

joined myself. I didn't want to go fight a rich man's war. That's

my point. I graduated in two thousand and eight, which means I would have been an Afghanistan or Iraq one or the other, and I wasn't about that, and even back then I knew not too thirty three now, But the way I liked that it was like, you're when the twenty twenty riots and everything were going on, We even had some of them here in Tulsa, and I was watching on live news, like it's crazy how Norman's all of a sudden started waking up and the guy that you knew was the conspiracy

guy or had some guns and screamed about Second Amendment or whatever or Constitution says this the government's doing that. All of a sudden, the normy started asking who do you have, like a good I could borrow for a while. Yeah. Wait, now you're coming around like it's right. It's it's not that there's you know, violence coming, it's just what's that One of the best quotes of all time is better to be a warrior in a garden than

to be a gardener in a war. And it's just better to need or having not need, to need to not have the way I look alive. And so I think COVID woke up a lot of people because we saw the supply chain sortages. We saw people going crazy over toilet paper toilet paper, So it maybe people start to realize like law of not law of attraction, but like law of abundance or whatever. Like wait, I take for granted at the fact that I can just go to the store and get something when

I run out of it, What if I can't? You know. So people started catching onto that stuff, even if they weren't into conspiracy. They just noticed, how come I can't get eggs? How come I can't get bread? How can I get you know? So what started happening was people stopped paying attention to COVID, started noticing everything else that was going on in the world. Protests over in Paris in the past couple of months since right, you know, it's like people are waking up finally it's not just the

United States. And that's the good part, is that worldly. I mean, I don't want any violence or nothing. Nobody wants any violence. But I just want peaceful awakening, you know. Yeah, and of course we all do. Nobody wants to have to pick up arms. But at the same time, you know, over the last week or two, I've been

kind of reading the Declaration of Independence. Everybody was talking about the Constitution, but kind of forgets about that very first document which was standing against you know, King George about a three percent tax and you like that pay in taxes

now. It's just incredible that we continue to take it. And talking about needing a gun, there's a great quote it says, I would much rather go to my grave never needing my gun than go there because I didn't have one absolutely or another good it was the rather be was it judged by twelve,

that carried by eight or whatever? You know, it's like, you know, you protect your family and somebody's mugging your car or trying to mug you whatever, you know what I mean, like, hey, you'll figure that out later, but everybody's safe and sound and we'll deal with the law or well, i mean not dealing like in a bad way, but I'm saying it is like you do what you gotta do to protect your family or

you yourself or whatever in this world. And it's it's kind of funny how like like you said, like the Declaration of Independence is what everybody forgets about, because to me, that's turned into one of my absolute favorites. Like World War two was my favorite for a long time because of sort of figuring out like the weird the cult mists of Hitler and Himmler and all those guys and everything. You're like, that's not there's more to the war than we

told kind of thing. But then you go back to Revolutionary War, people forgot about that. That's when not saying the Founding Fathers did it, but that's when the Illuminati was started. Seventeen seventy, seventeen seventy six. Yeah, may Day, Yeah, wishawp was his name, Adam Shop Yeah, Adam Yeah. And so you know, there's things that we're going into motion

then. And then you look at the Founding Fathers, then most of them are all Freemasons, and so you know, like you don't put it into like a generalized group because that's it's the same can be misconstrued as racist or chicken picking or you know, like cherry picking is what I mean. And like you can't do that necessarily because there's a shriner that lives in your hometown that's just helping little kids that have cancer and is doing something good. You

know, it's just like the same thing as the military. The young guy that signs it up to go to fight after nine to eleven. He has the best intentions, but that four star general he's just playing the board game risk. He doesn't care about you know what I'm getting right, there's a disassociation after a while. You know, the higher you get on the food chain doesn't matter what it like religion. I mean a lot of people don't.

They get squeamish when you bring it up. But when you get to that multi millionaire tele evangelist status and you're you know, how many kind of ironic of like how many of our televangelist preachers have not had a scandal. That's a bigger question, you know, because we've got Dammy fair Baker or Joe, you know, Joe and Tammy Faye. We've got Jimmy Swagger. We got we got like you're like, man, it's kind of work. It's kind of like a politician, Like you're just asking you put yourself in

the spotlight, and you know, like your vanity takes over. Basically, that's right. You're Hillary Clinton. She wanted to be noticed so much that people notice too much of her. It's like, nope, she disappeared. She's kind of raying out, you know, raying out hiding in the woods right now. Yeah, it's best that she stayed that way as well, especially now, like we've been talking about, there's been a bit of a great awakening. We've got about ten minutes left. There is a couple other

things I wanted to touch on briefly. You would mention that you were you were great friends with Admiral Bird's great nephew. Why don't you share that story? Yeah, sorry, I can ramble my bad. No, you're good. My buddy, buddy mine Luke. He's a really cool guys. He's um in the music world. He doesn't he's not a musician himself, but he's like a up stage hand build stages and sets and lights and all kind

of stuff. It's really cool guy. And we just started talking one day and you know, i'd uh, I dabbled with the marijuana or whatever. So hanging out back after a gig, just hanging out with some people. And he doesn't himself, but we were just talking conspiracies and I was talking about Antarctica and Admiral Birdie. He goes, dude, that's quite great. Uncle. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like it blew my mind. I'm like don't be messing with me right now, are you serious?

And so he's like yeah. So he started telling the stories and he now obviously never met him because what he died and fifty eight or something like that, because it's ironic. Well, I'll continue where I'm going, but he said that, yeah, he never knew of him until people started telling him of his uncle. And he was like, wait a minute, because just like the same thing I said, just being in circle talking with people and

conspiracy stuff come up, and did you ever hear about this guy? And so his family is birds and something else, and so he just started tracing family lineage and his dad was telling him that the whole family for years was divided on whether the diary was correct or not, whether that was manipulated by I think one of his sons. But because what's funny is the diary didn't

come out until after he had been dead. So adamiral Bird though, came on TV that that black and white interview that a lot of us have seen, you know, and was talking about the lands and this and that, and he said, the most peaceful place on Earth is an Arctica because a woman's note was stepped there before I'm like, oh, Sean Connery's laughing his buttluff right now. But so a year later, Admiral Bird dies after the

interview, and then the Antarctic Treaty is created. But what's funny is because Admiral Bird went over there with Operation High Jump directly after World War Two, like we were talking about, and so with like the cult symbolism and superpowers kind of stuff the Nazis were going for. We know of New schwabin Land, that right, we know of you know, so we've we've verified New

schwabin Land was there. But the thing about the journals that's divided my buddy's family is that there's people that say in the journals that he was his aircraft was taken over the controls wise, and that he basically met these like kind of like eight foot tall, almost arian looking, very blonde, blue eyed people that could read his mind and things. So it took the already somewhat. But which which goes to say, is this a siop itself? Like

what if the original Adamal Bird story is correct? Before he died, he goes on TV, he talks about the extra land, he dies, who knows how he died? But I'm just saying whatever. You know, Clinton's got the They've got the worst track record with having friends and acquaintances ever. So that's only you know, it's happened in the past too. But what I'm getting out as adamal Bird says too much on TV, he's gone and then all of a sudden too maybe Siop dismiss him. They just say some

crazy outlandish stuff about giants and this and that, and mind reading. What if he was correct about extra land? What if he was correct? You get I'm saying, like, sure, what if they added to it like a history book, here's what really happened, and we're going to add a

bunch of extra stuff to filler. I agree. And you know the other thing I'm glad you brought up is well, when you talk about new Swabia, which I think kind of you know, the German expedition, which is like at the same time a World Wars kicking off, and they're trying to tell us that it was really just a wailing station for Marjarine and soap.

I know, right, it just doesn't make any sense to me. And then when you look at the technology that they had, but on top of that, it was from nineteen twenty or nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty three, their economy was completely in the toilet. There's there's images of people carrying wheelbarrels full of cash down the street, just worthless because you know, the Wimar and the hyper inflation. Then all of a sudden, yeah,

all of a sudden, you know, they've got this technology. They have the VW Bug, they have I don't remember if the bug was before after World War two, the auto bonds and it was the Volkswagen. The people was vehicle, the people's you know, it's like it was that's right, that was the thirties, that's right, and it was affordable. It's actually kind of funny, like it's you know, there's only is like truth

in words. Like we say words all the time and we don't realize like how like you know, like if you're a kid and you you turn sixteen, you get your first car, and you don't realize what an alternator is or what of this is, and then you actually, like you get a little older and you realize it was alternator alternates power, Like the word makes sense when you think about it, you know, yeah, so what if we've been misled on everything, like curse words. Maybe there's a reason why

they're called curse word because they're cursed. You know. There's an old South Park episode about that, Like wh I'm getting at? Everything is right there in your face half the time, and we don't even pay attention to it. Yeah. So yeah, like you said, the cars right there, you know, the Volkswagen all of a sudden, the people have a wagon. That's kind of ironic from a country that had nothing at the moment, after the destination of them after the First World War, which the First World

War. If you ask anybody how that started, nobody knows. I mean, you'll hear the name of Franz Ferdinand, but you'll also possibly hear five to ten different reasons, and they all might actually be completely correct. But back to World War Two, you had JP, was it Morgan or Chase was funding both Germany and like you know, access and you know and whatever both sides during the war. And it's kind of like, well, I'm playing both sides. No matter what I go, I don't back to the

roulette board. I bet on red and black no matter what. At LANDSA, I don't want to win, you know, just back to you know, the two thousands. Okay, so you were talking about, yeah, the technology and things, the advancement that's sorry, last train of thought, the advancement of technologies. Then you also saw World War two Africa. People

forgot about the North Africa with Rommel and the tank invasion and everything. And so it's ironic that fifty years later, milli terry forces are back in North Africa and you know, you know, like Middle Eastern countries and things, and so we're looking for like you said, lies in the you know, media and truth in the movies. Look at Indiana Jones. Other than the Temple of Doom. Most people don't realize that half the movie is about Nazis

going around the world trying to find religious relics to have superpowers. Yea. And so you know you're like, well that sounds crazy. Well wait a minute, Well what was Hitler and Romol and Himmel are doing. They were doing the exact same thing. They were going everywhere all over the world trying to find every religious I mean, like an Indiana Jones movie, that's where

that inspiration came from. And then we hear about weapons and mass destruction in Iraq and Afghanistan and we never found any My standard didn't have bombs or nothing, but we never found the WMD's. But there's a lot of people that believe, what if there were stargates? So, you know, like, what if every war we've ever been in has been lied to on false presenses,

which we already know, yeah, for sure. April two thousand and three, just a month after I think we went over the berm on the third week of March, and by by the end of April we had already taken over their museum and found the grave of not Nimrod but Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh. Yeah, that epic, yeah, yeah, And it's like, what were we really obviously for resources, we're still there guarding oil fields. Contrary to popular belief, we still have a couple of battalions of soldiers over there.

And same in Syria story with the poppy fields and stuff too. You know, it's like ironic that the medical you know, whatever medical establishment,

where did this opioid crisis come from? It's kind of ironic. It happens a few years after the Iraq and Afghanistan invasion, and wait a minute, that's just kind of like when everybody was doing heroin back in the late sixties and seventies during what yeah, wait a minute, thank you know, let's go like playing both sides here or you know, wait, we've got to fit in all crisis. But we're not going to worry about our border.

And I'm not saying build a wall. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, how come every time there's something going on there's people are just like half the time ignoring the problem. It's because they're allowing the problem, you know, it's you gotta you know what, I'm getting that right, absolutely, that way, you use that plausible deniability like, oh, I don't know, we were distracted over here. I didn't even see that that was happening. Of course, not nothing's premeditated, not at all.

It's it's incredible. And getting back to what you were saying earlier, you know, the further you get away from the battlefield, the list that that's why these generals and the politicians they have no problem with combat and taking these risks because for the most part, they're not there on the ground taking the risks physically. And I've been saying for a long time that you know, men in uniform have been getting killed by men in suits for for a long

long time. Well, my dad's father, my grandfather on my dad's side, was in the Battle of the ball Old and then in World War Two. My mom's father was a Green Beret in Previetnam, like early sixties. Sure, when the advisors and stuff like that, you know, and you find out, like you know, he added a couple of years ago. My dad's dad died decades ago. But I mean, you just find out.

It's like back to that firsthand knowledge kind of thing. Is as generations passed away, you lose that because at all, whether it's you know, some religious person telling you what they think their interpretations this is, or this person telling about this part of the history of World War two or whatever, it's a telephone game. So you better get the best firsthand information you can get because if not, if you don't take notes and you're just trying to

remember, it can get really mixed up in blurry real quick. You get what I'm saying, like a story that's been told for the fifth time, you know, like when you you're a little kid, you know, in elementaries, six years old, and everybody steps in the circle, you say one phrase and by the time it gets back to the circle is way different. I think that's where history is. We just it took to us to just find whatever tangible, solid evidence we can find, but also like gut

evidence. I think there's more. I guess I keep going back to that, But that's that kind of be a follow over Christ as well, but carry Christ's in your heart. That's that Christ consciousness. There's like pay attention to what you absolutely feel is right. Like if you get that warm, fuzzy sensation for some reason. It's why military guys will tell you, Dude, I just got a gut instinct on this or things like that. That's that moment you get what I'm saying, be able to explain something that you

can just tell something's right or wrong. You know. That's I think we're awakening to that. People are discovering. I've met more atheists that have turned to Christian and I've met people that have turned to Buddhism or whatever. And I don't I don't try to tell anybody what to turn to. I'm just glad more people are looking to whatever form they want to look at it a higher power. You know. It's like, wait, there's too many nihilists

in the world. Everybody's worried about themselves and nobody else, and that's done on purpose. I'll let you go. No, I think what you said there's perfect because oh I forgot that's kind of what I was going to say. But people are basically living for worldly things instead of other people. And that's kind of why we're in this situation that we're in today, because we all kind of live for ourselves in our cars and our homes instead of worrying

about making a difference in other people's lives. Absolutely, and the more we do it, the more we get distracted in just everyday life. Another I mean, I've got my third kid, it's easy to blank in. Another six months goes by, and we all noticed that thing. As the older

you get, the faster time flies. The faster time flies, the more people that are in your older family members the past way unfortunately, So if you don't get information now, it's the eyes with them, just like you know, they was trying to get this single the only daughter in the family. Oh yeah, to carry on the family name or whatever, you know.

I mean, it's it's there is something to that sometimes of like man, there's there's history that needs to be taught to people that has been hidden, and if you're not actively looking for it, there's people that are actively hiding it, you know what I mean? Yep, I couldn't agree more. And people talk about, you know, history, if you hide history

or doomed to repeat it. Well, I like to top top that and say, you know, make sure you teach history correctly, make sure you take the time because in the Rockefeller education system, we just take their word for it whatever they say, okay, and we memorize it and we teach our children that. And you know, fourteen ninety two Columbus ailed the ocean blue. How do you know? Yeah? Right? And then they just memorizing you know, a little you know, rhyming thing for alliterations or yes

exactly. Oh that's just the easy way to remember for that test. You're going to fail anyways, you know, that's right? Where about it? So what about the kid that asked a couple of extra questions that nobody else does and they all fall on the mind, but he gets the f on the task because you know what I'm saying, Like in that kind of an oxyg moron, like the one that's most open minded but failed the test. Well, that's that goes against the whole Illuminati system. They want to keep

the knowledge. They only want us to have a little bit of knowledge and their version of it. They really want to keep the true meaning. I don't want to say the true meaning of life, but like we're going back to like a free energy and the ether or those type of things they want to hide from us because you can't build free energy, right. And then think of our favorite Darth Vader nowadays, Klaus Schwab, you'll own nothing in you'll life, right? You know? Well, I can own everything,

man, I can own the world. I can own my own thoughts, I can own my own you know. It's like there's only one person that can judge us, and it's definitely not you, Darth Vader Junior. And how ridiculous is that for one man to say how we will live our life? M hm? And again, forget all the celebrities telling you how good crickets and bugs are. Oh yeah, and Hugh Jackman and everybody else are like, be serious. Yeah. I could go on all night. I

do have another engagement in about twenty minutes. So first of all, I want to appreciate this man. This was this was a fun conversation. Yeah, this has been tremendous and I hope we can link up again down the road and continue this conversation. I would like to give you a couple of minutes with any final thoughts. Hey, man, I just I don't know. I just really appreciate you know, giving me the chance. Just rambibble.

I have a bad habit of it. But um, I just I said, there's just a few quotes that always come back to me, like the whole in life, just be villain, you know, vigilant. Just pay attention. I mean, whether you have kids or not. But like once, like I said, once you have kids, like I grew up hunting and things like that, it's already understanding the woods looking away my surroundings.

But when I had people, little ones to fight for, you know, it's like I started really paying attention to like you know, I carry every day and things like that. But you just be aware because this world we look at it nowadays to where like oh my city is starting to really

get bad. Oh this city is getting but you know, homelessness is rampant, and that goes in a lot of different stories but we've got a lot of people that are just unhinged in the world and they've been pushed to crazy what, you know, like kill those are you know, reasonable men pushed unreable things. And I people just need to be aware that the world is a lot scarier than they think it is. Don't be afraid, but just pay attention, you know, be aware of like I said, that gut

feeling that's going to carry you far. There's a reason why people survive war in crazy situations that don't make sense, because they just followed their gut, you know. And at the end of the day, y'all keep looking for the edges of the earth. And I'm with you. And once that he's over with, let's get our big old parade going. And I want to send our own navy up there. Let's go. Let's get up a bunch of boats and go for the you know Antarctica. That'll definitely be a great

podcast. Well, we'll announce the names of the winners. We'll draw the names live on air. Who's who's taking that inaugural uh you know boat ride down to the Antarctica. Yeah, and we don't even need to bring coolers. We just stick our beers right in the ice. That's right. I should say it's incredible that you mentioned that the was it the killed dozer,

because I just I've been kind of working on a future podcast. The guy's name was Marvin Heemeyer, just a guy who owed a like a repair shop, yes, yeah, in Colorado, and just man, what they did to him and city zoning laws, it's like, wow, beaucacy at its worst. It certainly is. It's it's incredible and you can only you know, you never know someone's state of mind, and you push that button the

wrong way. And you know what Marvin Heemeyer did that day. You know, he didn't hurt any if I remember correctly, he didn't hurt anybody, just took out not to hurt anybody. Yeah, yeah, that was he was like, He's like, even though I'm gonna tear everything up in my way, I'm not gonna hurt anybody. Only noble on that part. Yeah, incredible stuff. It's It's been uh, really great to meet you. Thank you so much for your time, and I know you're busy with your

little ones. God bless you and look forward to to chatting with you again. You you're again thirty three, incredible knowledge and critical thinking skills. It's really a pleasure to meet you. Thank you, sir, and thank you for your service. Thanks for this opportunity to just talk and rant. And here we are conspiracy guys with the red string going everywhere. That's that's what it's all about. Yeah, and wait, hey man, you have a

wonderful evening, and thanks for this phone call. You too, God bless you, and thank you all for listening to the Flat Earth Files. Check out the show description. We'll put Derek's YouTube channel in there, talking stick and I'll have a lot of other links. We'll have Carrie Mullis talking about Anthony Fauci, We'll have Patton talking about we defeated the wrong enemy, and even the Tulsa Race massacre. I made notes of all the things we had

in the conversation. We'll put the links in the show description to broaden your knowledge. For Derek, I'm George, godless each and every one of you, and until the next time, keep your head on a swivel and we will see you.