Episode 58: Flat Earth Conversation with Robert

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All right, again, that is The Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. Without any further ado, let's get to today's guest joining us is Robert. Robert, how are you doing. I'm doing very well, George, thanks for asking, and you've reached out to us, and you are also I'm glad to hear you have your own podcast going the Flat Earth Reality. Correct the Flat Earth Reality, sir. And if you all want to reach out to him, his email address is the Flat Earth Reality ninety five at

gmail dot com. And again that will be in the show description, so don't worry about trying to pull over if you're in your car driving to write it down. It's always in the show description. So you can reach out to Robert with your questions, comments, concerns about this evening's discussion. So Robert, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. All right, Well, my name is Robert. I'm twenty seven years old. I'll be twenty eight in October. I live in Georgia, southeast, and

this summers of brutal. If you don't know, yeah, that's that's about it. I guess, yeah, I know it gets brutal down there. The heat, the humidity, all of it. It is hot for sure. Tell us a little bit about your journey to the truth, and for you it's a little different than than a lot of us, like where the flat Earth was kind of the last stop for you, it was one of the first stops. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, So I guess I want to start out with how open minded I've been. I've

always had an open mind. And it's funny how everything happens the way it does, because you know, I've never once believe the Big Bang, you know, even before I ever thought about flat Earth, you know, talking in middle school, high school. It's just like, I don't know, it just doesn't it doesn't sit right with me because I can look around outside, you know, and it's just this is too perfect of it is of a design to be coincidental, all right, you know what I mean.

Absolutely, this didn't just big bang from nothing. So you know, I've always had an open mind about that. And I've always been skeptical, and I wouldn't say I always asked the questions that I do now, but you know, I was pretty up minded. But I would say it was probably in twenty twenty, maybe twenty twenty one, so you know around what time

that is. Yeah, and I had a little extra time on my hand, and I was just I was getting bored, you know, and I was I was fed up with COVID, and yeah, I just started doing it looking at YouTube but stuff, you know, and come across this video and actually it was it was Mark Sargeant's videos, um the Flat Earth Clues. And you know, I didn't I'm so open minded that I didn't really do like what most people do. They'll go and try to debunk it. I was more or less just like, m well, let's see what you

know they got to say about it. And then it's just every video and every video you just think, you're like, hold the crop. I mean, you know, it's very possible, you know. So I watched all of his clues and then I would listen to his m his interviews, just because you know. And then that's when I learned about David Weiss, and I started watching his videos and than Eric do Bay, you know, all the big, big guys, and then it just started making more sense.

And you know, David Wise, he does. He does a pretty good way. It's pretty convincing, you know. So, yeah, he is able to He is one of the best as far as he loves going in to challenge people who were like full blown globers. I guess you would call him and he well, listen, he does it full time. I mean I think five or six days a week and sometimes twice a day. He

takes it very seriously. And I guess the story goes he was actually in the solar business and the solar electricity business, and then he sold out of there and then got into you know, the flat earth thing. But people should know that he wasn't some guy who just and there are a lot of people out there who make it seem like he just appeared out of nowhere. He was in the truth community for many, many, many many years.

I remember seeing a video of him and some other guy. I think it was Caravan After Midnight, which is another big mainstream kind of truther podcast, and he really broke down the Boston Marathon. And this was like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. So he wasn't the truth community well before the flat Earth, but he really I think his story it really resonates. He went when people were trying to tell him about flat earth, He's like, stop,

you know, stop sending me the stuff. And then he finally went in to debunk it. And then when like many of our own stories, you can't debunk it, and then he became very passionate about it. Yeah, you can tell you definitely very passionate. Yeah, it's a great app too. Oh. Yes, I actually had hawloaded it not long after I started watching David and I've had it ever since. I've actually got my mom to

downloaded two nice. Yeah. I've gifted it to a few people just like, hey, check that out and then walk, you know, like the whole breadcrum thing. Check that out, and they either do or they don't. Yeah, I mean for a lot of people that it's just so like, you know, I don't have a lot of people to talk about it

with neither. That's why I started the podcast, because I'm like, hey, at least I can tell whoever will listen, you know what I mean, absolutely not not even expecting much, you know, at least I'm putting my opinion out there. And you know, like you said earlier, it's the learning process and I'm learning along the way. So it's it's kind of and it's cool to come on and see how you do things because that's how I can learn also, you know, but I lost my train of thought

about sugar. I was going with all that up. You were just going with your your waking up, and then David Weiss and Eric to Bay and everybody else. Yeah, so um, and then it was I would saying about I would say I kind of left it alone for a little while, which is kind of unusual for people. Um, I kind of just left it alone because I was like, you know, yeah, that's flat, that's cool, But what can I do about it? You know what I mean? Were you up the mindset kind of like how does it really affect

my life? So I'm just going to move on? Absolutely not because I knew how well. I wouldn't. Maybe it's possible I wouldn't say I was definitely in that mindset, but I wasn't in the mindset of that I am now right right sure. That was right after I just learned and come to a realization that, yeah, that Dart is definitely flat. And then, like I said, I kind of left it alone for a little while because I was moving back to my hometown going to a breakup. It was kind

of like a whole ordeal for a little while. You know, I was moving from Savannah to George Auto way back to my home home, which is not far from Athens, so you know it's good three or four hours. But yeah, um, anyways, after I got a new job and I'm messing new people here back home, I started getting it against the podcast listening to podcast. I never really listened to podcast before. I didn't have a interest in it. But then I was able to go on in there on

Spotify and type in a search bar flat Earth. Then I could just have hours of converse or listening, and that became my thing. At work. I always have my headphones every single day, always listening to stuff about flat earth, because you know, I wanted to hear everybody's opinion. And and then it I was able to really start getting into it. And that's when you know, I would find other podcasts where they're not a flat earth podcast,

but they'll bring somebody on this flat Earth. But then it's like, I don't know if you heard of cults of conspiracy. Yes, I love them. I love them guys. They're pretty cool. But so I listened to them, and then that's when I started to realize all this other stuff that's going on. So I was like, okay, wow, you know, like learning that they're poisoning our waters, our foods and and the air,

and theyplied about everything. It gets overwhelming, and it's like, man, so it's been a lot, and it's it's like I don't believe that humans were put here to do stuff like this. And it's like everybody's like, yeah, but what can I do about it? I just got to do it. No, you don't. We can. We can find a way, or at least that's what ask my mind said. It's like I do not want to have to do this, you know what I mean.

I want to grow my own food. I want to build my own things with my own two hands, you know, basically back into stone ages, you know what I mean. I mean, they survived just fine, but it's just it's it's it's too big now and it's too far gone. It's everybody thinks we're crazy. Yeah, and you know, you make a lot of great points. There's so many people out there that just kind of shrug and they say it is what they it is what it is, and then they move on and um, but I will tell you even then, we'll

call them, you know, the normalist of Normi's out there. They can they know something's wrong. Right, Even the people who were concerned about their fantasy football and their sports more than they are maybe politics or religion, they understand. They can tell because this filth has even leaked into into pop culture, right, and it's it's kind of ruined everything. And I think folks are kind of look at that. The problem is folks are looking to other

people to save them instead of taking their lives in their own hands. And I think flat earth is one of those things that to me at least was very freeing. Right. It's God gave us this earth, right, George W. Bush didn't give me my land. Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Congress, they didn't give me this land. God created this for us, and he told us to go forth and multiple apply. And you know, we came over here and we had a revolutionary war because of

taxes, and you know, we had a lot of hiccups. Obviously eighteen twelve, you know, we had I would say things were peachee keen in this country for about twenty years. That was it, and then the bank charter ran out, we had another war, and then the federal government continued to grow and grow and grow, and that led to the Tyranny of Lincoln,

so on and so forth. But to me, flat earth was something that really Number one, It brought me closer to God because I understood the words of Genesis had It gave new meaning to the Book of Genesis to me, And when he talks about separating the waters and the firmament, It's like, wow, this stuff actually happened. And you know, the earth is only about you know, six thousand and some years old, not fifty four or forty five billion, I forget whatever the number is. And like you

said, it was no big bang. There was no evolution. We were created and put here specifically. Yeah. Absolutely. And after you know, learning about the flat earth and stuff, you can you can just walk outside and you instantly feel it and know it, you know what I mean. You can see things a lot better, and you know, look up at

the sun and the moon and you can just feel it right there. Yeah, And the little things like if if the sun were really ninety three million miles away with living in Denver, Colorado, really make that much of a difference. Why do I lived in Colorado when we got sunburnt much quicker than we did here? And are you telling me because of a couple of thousand feet in the stretch of ninety three million miles really makes a difference. I

don't think so. I think David's argument because he says, you know, we're tilted closer in the winter apparently, and it's like apparently three million miles of a closeness and it's like it's colder still though. It's like, it makes no sense as all backwards. Yeah, And if the Moon were truly a reflection of the Sun, the moon's temperature or the light, I should

say, the moon's light should be warmer. But you can take a thermometer in the moon's light, take the temperature, and then take it in the shadows. The moon's light is colder than outside of the moon's light, And once again, it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And actually, when I learned that about the moon, I was it blew my mind and I was like, wait a second, what and back to the sun real

quick. I mean, just some of my everyday observations. So if the Sun was so far away, I don't feel like sunsets would be possible, you know what I mean, how the clouds can be different colors. I mean if the sun is small, if its sun was not small and local, then you shouldn't have any pretty orange sunsets over here. But then you know, over there behind you, it's just clouds that normal colors, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely, and that makes sense. Yeah,

it's just my observation. No, And I'm so glad you brought that up because I've been meaning to say this for many episodes. You know, if let me ask you this, if the Sun was really ninety three million miles away, when these guys go out into space, why is it always dark? Aren't they supposed to be getting closer to the sun. Yeah,

but it's always dark. That makes no sense. When they were on the moon the whole time it was dark, they were closer to the moon or the Sun. As the higher you go, the closer you should be to the Sun. Why isn't outer space just lit up so bright? If it's ninety three million miles away. Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't be able to see nine stars ever, it should just be a blinding light actually, just

like it is and the original moon landing. Yeah, exactly. You know that that gets me every time too, when you say we should have a memorial for that guy who left on the moon, because that's one of the first questions. I mean, if you're really thinking and looking at it's like, wait a second, what did they do? How does guy get there?

Did they did they drop him off and take back off and and so he could video them coming down, or did they do the same thing when they left, like and the little sparks that flat on that thing when it takes off it is. You know, I wonder if they even thought at the time that the technology would get so advanced that they would look back one day and say this is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, I mean I think so.

I think so. But I mean I have noticed they're coming out with a lot more space space movies and TV shows, and actually, you know, I don't watch a lot of stuff. I mean I used to obviously before I started learning all this stuff, but you know, I watched a lot of space stuff now just because I'm like, yeah, let's see how how how easy it is to fake it, you know what I mean.

And there's the show called for All Mankind. It's on Apple Apple TV, and it's it's actually pretty interesting and it's got some actual like facts in it. And what what it is is it's back to the space race. And they start in nineteen you know, the first moon landings, how they was trying to be Russia. But in the series, Russia beat us to the moon. But you know, in the series they go from the Moon and then in the Mars and it's crazy, but it's it looks legit, you

know, it looks just like space would be. But there's this It was in the first season. This really tripped me out. And it's like third episode because they was on the Moon and every time they've been on the moon there've been no stars. But at the end of like third episode, there pain and off the moon and looking at from the moon and into space, and all of a sudden, the stars click on. It was super weird. And then ever since then you see stars every time, but the first

two episodes there's no stars in the sky when they're in space. Oh you can't make this stuff up, can you? No? But that was just like, so I like watching this stuff because it's like they put it in your face right there. It's like yeah. But then you think back to the interview with the astronauts after they got back, and it's I don't remember seeing any stars. Yeah, it's funny. There was tripping over his word. Yeah, they were. They weren't exactly arguing, but they're like,

I don't remember the script. Are you sure? I don't remember? And it's just a shoke down. If you went to the moon, if you were, can you imagine being the first man to do anything in this world, especially something that great, and then to have those kinds of conflicts and have them the morale that low, just it's nothing but Freemason garbage. Yeah, I would have been I would have been a static. I would have been in there screaming the Emily. Yeah, I'd be doing every commercial.

I'd have my like like like Larry said, I'd have my heir George's and I would have the commercials and my Gatorade and everything out. These guys just disappeared, and you know, uh, Neil Armstrong just drank himself to death. Poor yeah, I know, it's probably not his fault, you know what I mean, Yeah, that's the question. I That's why I try not to be too hard because I don't know at what point were they told, like you're, hey, guys, were you're really not going to the

moon. And by the way, if you tell anybody, we're going to kill your entire family, because like literally they killed everybody in the Apollo one plus the investigator who called him out, and they killed him and his entire family as well. So these people knew that they were playing with guys who had no problem pulling a trigger. Yes, terror, well, and that's and that's why it's Yeah, it's terrible. But you know, imagine how he felt, you know what I mean? You know, imagine how all

the nationalauts felt. Yeah, and there's a at least two of the three, there was a point where they kind of both buckled. Um Neil Armstrong given that speech in ninety four, ninety four, I guess it was the twenty fifth anniversary, and he kind of you could tell he really wanted to say something, and then buzz Aldrin when he was getting interviewed by the young girl. You know, that's not how would happened, and you can tell that they just want can you imagine the burden? Yeah? Man, you

know that's kind of like a big thing for me too. I think it was von Braun, which, by the way, they have a character for him, and that, uh, that TV series I was talking about. It's pretty interesting, I said, but just to know that it's how it's it's fake obviously, but us just like because I didn't think that he was. He can't really see much of him being very religious when he was younger,

you know what I mean. But as he got older and more into science and obviously come over here to the US, he become more religious. And there's there's this video I've seen where he's talking about nothing can disappear. He said that science proves it or something. He's talking about God. I was like, oh, yeah know. And then you know he's the head of the Space, head of NASA, Father of NASA supposedly, and he you know, designed all these rockets so he can go to the Moon.

I just think it's so crazy. We haven't been back yet, and that for me is just the biggest red flag I guess. Like, and it's funny because it's this TV series like keep referring to h I'm sorry, but it progresses like you would expect it to, you know what i mean. First they went to the moon and they put a base on the moon, and then there's eventually they have a hotel in the sky. I'm telling you this is how it should have been if we really went to the moon and

that technology, because like you said, we went to the technology. We went to the moon with the technology. Put a Nintendo sixty four, not even like an Attard twenty six hundred. Yeah, I see us a little bit before my time though. It's sorry showing my age, and that was called for all mankind, right, Yes, it's it's pretty cool to watch, I mean because space has always been interesting to me, you know, I mean, I know it's fake, but it's just like watching a thing

for the movie now, I mean, you know it's fake. Well, and that's part of the Hollywood programming because when I was, you know, eight or nine years old, that's when the original Star Wars hit the theaters and every you know, get my age was lining up at the movie theaters

to watch this. And as a young child, that's what you do your daydream and after seeing that movie, you know, we're all picturing being an X wing fighter and flying through space, and that's more of the reinforcement that they do to fight off things like the flatter theory, because it goes against everything we've been taught, It goes everything against that we've watched on television in the movies. Yeah, and you know, I don't think it's that it's

that old. I think it's early mid maybe even a late eighteen hundreds when they switched the narratives. What do you think? Well, again, you know, it started for sure with Copernicus, you know, with the Jesuits in the sixteenth century. But when did it really take hold here in the United States and get launched into our history books. It might even be later than that, because if you recall, I've heard several people and there was

the lady that David Weiss interviewed. She was what one hundred and two or something, and she said that she was taught about the flat Earth when she was growing up as well. So, and there's so many other things we know in our history books that are complete lies. So you know, the question, I guess can we find some? You know, one of these days I just want to go in eBay and see if I can find some nineteenth century history books and just to order them and see what they say.

See how different the narrative is back then than it is today, you know. And I think it could be the simplest check in your local libraries. Yeah, absolutely, we might be surprised. And it's something that I keep. It's been on my mind, it crosses it all the time. It's just a stal library. And see what, like I want to see the oldest book you got, Okay, let me see the oldest like history whatever, you know, Bible even Yeah, and you can even if they still

have them. They keep all the historical newspapers, like you can go back and you know, I had an account where I could see my newspaper here in Delaware. We can see the newspapers back to eighteen I think the early eighteen nineties. Oh wow. So have you ever heard of the eighty year reset history period or whatever? So is this like, um like Staria in the World's Fair, or is this different? Um? It could be Tartaria, whether it's supposedly you know, every eighty years history resets or something,

or you know, a great reset. And apparently the Tartarian was the last one, and it's like, you know, late eighteen hundreds. From what I've seen, I could have my dates Trump, So don't quote me. No, that's that's cool. When you say reset, are you talking about complete? Like how did they do it? Because this is um I have

no idea what I'm getting at it. I've learned this from. Actually it was somebody you had on your podcast and she talked about the that documentary, The Lost History of Flat Earths. Oh yeah, sure, yeah, that I think he was showing photos of like, you know, big cities and like the eighteen hundreds where nobody was there, and then just a few and you know there's all these big old buildings, but nobody's in these towns, and then you know a few a few years later, all of a sudden

you got people and horse and buggies and stuff like that. Yeah, and they're talking about, you know, there's no way that those people could build those structures. And that kind of leads us to like, like I said, this is why I got into all this other stuff. It's like, I believe there's free energy and stuff that we just don't know how to use it. And I believe that our our bodies are can be super powerful if we just get our vibrations and our frequencies, right, I mean frequencies and

vibrations I think is everything? Yeah, and that and that's that's what these they say, what these smart cities yep, and these smart meters on your home, it's supposed to interfere with all of that. It's like there's so much stuff that they do, the interfere with everything to keep your vibration low. You know, your pineal gland closed, your third eye, and it's like, I really want to get into everything like that, you know what I mean. But it's so hard when you have to work nine to five.

You have to have two incomes to live in a decent house these days, and it's hard. Right now, I'm trying to figure out other ways of incomes. But it's it's hard. It is. And you know, I was on Veterans Today Radio and we had that exact same discussion. Is

you know, especially hyper inflation and everything else. I mean, you work forty fifty sixty hours a week and you know, after working ten hours, drive home, you have your dinner, you know, you sit down and you just want to relax for a few minutes and it's you know, you got to get back in the rack and wake up and you do it all

over again. So that that's one of the reasons why they keep everyone so busy, is they don't keep their eyes on the prize and they don't sit down and have these type of conversations to whereas the our tension goes from you know, money and sports and entertainment to the people in charge who are absolutely pillaging our lives every single day. Yeah, and there's there's so many theories about who you know what I mean, like who's the controllers? Yeah,

yeah, sure, I think Bill Cooper said it perfectly. I think at the end of the day, they're Luciferians. I mean, we can use the terms here on Earth, whether Jews, Jesuits, Illuminati, the Vatican, but at the end of the day, all these people are Luciferians. I think he hit it on the head. You know nothing. I can agree with that too. And that reminds me of a movie that I'd like to see called Nefarius that you heard of it. I'm not sure it rings

a bell. I've seen it on TikTok and it was the producers or directors or whatever, and there was two older guys and they was talking about the making up the movie Uparius and just come out this year, so it's relatively new. But they had some interesting things happened while they were shooting the video. And it's supposedly I mean, it's about this this guy who was sentenced to death. He was on death row. But apparently if they're mentally ill

or something, they can't they have to be evaluated or something. But this guy ended up being possessed with the demon. And I don't know all the details. I don't want to give too much away, but the producers were talking about how when they're shooting certain scenes that like all these crazy things would happen. I think they even said there was several car crashes of some of the actors coming in, you know, to get ready to shoot. I mean, nobody got hurt, but there was like just some crazy, weird

stuff going on while they was making the movie. And they said that they had made it they wanted to attract the younger people so they could see like the Devil's real, you know what I mean. And it makes a lot of sense to devil is, I think, is the whole reason for everything being the way it is. You know, this is interesting. Apparently,

I'm just kind of reading up on it online while you were talking. It was actually based on Steve Deecee's twenty sixteen novel called a Nefarious Plot, So if you prefer the books over the movie, that's the name of the book it was based off of. Secondly, I've never heard of Christian horror movies. I didn't even know that was a genre. According to this, it's a twenty twenty three Christian independent horror film, and yeah, it says.

It stars Jordan Belfie as a psychiatrist who has to determine if a death row inmate is faking his demonic possession. Yep. But I mean maybe I'll send you the if I can find it. I'm normally saved because I get a lot of information from TikTok too, and TikTok is what I would say, help me really wake up because they sent her YouTube so much. You know, my fiance, she had TikTok probably for a year before I downloaded.

I was like, I don't want to I don't need that stuff because I saw my is so it was Tony using this that and everybody our lady was on their lot. She's always laughing and stuff. And I get on there and then I'll walk in tuck a spiracy and that's all I see. But I saved these videos, and I watching that video of the producers. Maybe you can even find it on YouTube. I don't know, but they was talking about it and it was it was, it was pretty Maybe you want

to go watch it. That's interesting. And I'm glad you brought that up, because you know, our government is saying how dangerous TikTok is. And I know a lot of truthers who make a lot of great videos on TikTok, and I've never seen anybody had their stuff taken off TikTok. And I've been hacked on Facebook many times. I've never had any issues with it. I mean, I don't go on TikTok very much, but I had. I've had a couple of guests over my years who are based on there,

so I'll go on there every now and then. And You're right, there's a lot of tremendous truth videos out there on TikTok. Yeah. I don't know if it's just the algorithm thing, but I know that that's why the US doesn't want it in here because they can't control it, like they can't everything else, right, and they always playing sorry, go ahead, buddy. I think that's the reason why there's so much information on TikTok. Yeah, you hit that nail on the head, because they can't control It's precisely

why they always play the Russia car. They always play the China, Russia, China, when ninety percent of the time it's arms, CIA or FBI doing these things. It's exactly with why they want to get rid of it. And there's several states who have already passed laws to where, you know, state employees aren't allowed to access it on their government phones. I'm not sure they've had much more success, but I think you're right on the right

on the head. They can't control it. Yeah, but I did think a state probably it could have been fake, but I heard that one state in the US did ban TikTok already. They may have, but I'm better people they was trying to create a bill for it, wasn't it. For sure? They are trying. The federal government is trying to actively ban TikTok. They've came close a few times. Yeah, And to me, that's just a red flag, like they just deem it in misinformation. Yeah,

it's because, like you said, they can't control it. So God forbid, if we actually have conversations and have freedom of speech, how terrible would that be? Yeah, that's great. I'm gonna have to check out for all mankind. I think Verizon, I think they gave me like a ninety day free Apple trial. I have to check that out. And then the movie Nefarious, which just came out this year. Interesting Christian independent horror film. I didn't know if there was a such thing as a Christian horror film.

That's interesting. I have to check it out. Um, this is the first I'm hearing about that too. I didn't know there's that category or a genre. Yeah, I guess. The name of this company is Believe Entertainment. Believe Entertainment, and they're a Christian movie company. And I'm I guess because it deals with demonic things, that's kind of why it falls into that category. Yeah, that's interesting. I wanted to back pedal to the

Flat Earth again. When you were going through, whether it was David Weiss or whatever videos or articles you were consuming, was there Do you remember where you were when it finally hits you that you know, I think we've been lied to and how did that change your thought? And because for a lot of people it's pretty emotional, it was for me so kind of like I said, when I first learned about it, that when I kind of left it away for a little while, it didn't really affect me that much.

But it was when you know, I moved back home and I started working and listening to podcast That's when it really started affecting me. And you know, I went through phases. At first, it was, yeah, this is awesome, you know, it's great. But then you know, as I started learning more stuff like the water's poison, everything's poison, the air

sports, I mean, it's like, what what can I do? You know, And that's when I started to really feel the negative side of it, to where it was like as soon as I wake up in the morning to the alarm clock, it's like, this is I shouldn't have to do this, you know, it's just and then yeah, you go down a long road of this just freaking sucks, you know what I mean. And so I mean it really didn't really but and you know, my old lady,

my fiance, she she's into a lot of stuff. She doesn't believe a lot of things, but she doesn't really want to look at the flat earth. And it's understandable because she's she stresses. She's one of the stresses about, you know, everything, and it's it's not her fault. She can't help it. But she she just said, Robert, I can't stress about something else, and I understand. So I don't, you know, push it on her anything. But she supports me on her percent, but

she um, I lost my train of thought again. Has she, like, has she looked at it or is it just she she's got enough things on her plate and she's afraid that's going to just be another thing for her to deal with mentally, Yeah, she hasn't really looked at it. But she's heard all my talking points. She's been right there when I when I'm you know, explaining it to somebody or whatever. And and I mean I have I brought it up pretty much follow my family members, and it's not

all at once. And it's actually funny. I just brought it up to my grandma yesterday. I told her about my podcast for the first time, and she was asking me some questions. I was, you know, telling her some answers, So that was pretty cool. But my mom, so I had mentioned it to her before when I kind of I mentioned it to her, but then she kind of just like whatever and lets it alone for a litt wall And I had to say, I'm really proud of her long

because she used to she was a heavy drinker. And I don't know what it was. But one day, I guess she come across the flatter video on TikTok and she went and opened her Bible and then she called me it sair Robert, You're a one hundred percent right, So is it right here in the Bible? She said, How did I might see it? She said, Robert, they're this flat. I said, yes, ma'am, only I know, Oh wow, I know. And she's she reached the Bible every morning. And uh, last time I've seen her because she lives

a couple hours away. But last time I seen her, she was on the phone. She got fig say who's that moment? She said, um, something about some classes for Bible. She said, I want to become a Bible Express. So okay, mamma. She saidn't listen to the Book of Enoch because I was telling her about that I was like, you know, they believed books that of the Bible, and this apparently one that the everybody likes, the Book of Enoch I see all the time. And she's

didn't listen to the audio books of the Book of Enock. So she's just like on it with the Bible. And she said that it's helped her too. That's why I say'm proud of her, because she started talking to God a lot more and she asked God, it's take the taste of liquor out of her mouth and she's not taking usib sense. Wow, that's powerful, brother, that is that's amazing. Shout out to your mom that that is great. And and once again that's another example. People say, you know,

why is flatterth that? You know, why is it that important? And that's just one story and I get at least one email every day or other day that, um, you know, it's different variations of that story. But when people realize that they've been lied to, and you know, this was created especially too, especially for us, and again for me that I read Genesis like I remember, I was living in Dover at the time, we had just moved back, and I read it like I read it

again for the first time, like it made complete sense. Right. Maybe back then I read it is maybe it was more of a story than an actual thing. And then I read you appreciate every single word and it has a meaning to it in the firmament. It's like, how many times have I read this and not put two and two together? And it does lead people to God. So it is very powerful. And I'm so happy that you took that and you challenged yourself and shared that with your family, and

you you've actually you've changed people's lives. That's amazing. I was lucky, you know, because I really when you look at it, and just because you know, it wasn't the smartest about it. You know, I would

go on Facebook when I first learned. Now this is before I moved back home and stuff, But when I first learned, I'd go on Facebook, and you know, I starts Facebook for flatter stuff, and I'd get on there and I'd see the people defending it, and I would comment something, and then I'd get like five hundred replies to it, just like bashing me and calling it crazy and stupid. It's just like there's nothing you can say to these people. At least, you know, they don't give a shit.

Excuse my language, No, that's fine. And I'll tell you even in the truth community is still very divisive, not as much, I think over the past few years I have seen people not to be as devisive about it. There are still a few people out there who, I guess you know that are like the Caravan and Midnight people who do believe in aliens and those things, and they don't want to want to even consider flat earth because that eliminates, not necessarily eliminates. But I think if they really looked at

it, they would understand there's not aliens, maybe demons. Do you remember last month or a couple of weeks ago, that young young man from Las Vegas who's been all over TikTok for sure, who said that he reported to two tall beings in his backyards and he made a TikTok video and it kind of went viral. Did you see that? Yes? I did, And I've actually seen a couple of other videos where they was like analyzing it.

I guess you could say, yeah, yeah. And at first even I was like, look, he's got Simpson shirt and he's got a checkerboard kind of illuminati. But then I did see another video this past weekend where he says, listen, I'm I'm a room, I'm a Catholic, I'm a churchgoer, and he said, I believe after thinking it over, he said, I think these were demonic beings. That they weren't actually aliens from you know, another planet. He said, I think these were demonic beings.

So that that was interesting. Yeah, So the whole alien thing, I believe that even the UFOs we see are all government. Oh for sure, for sure, because it's back to um. I think it's warrener von Braun. That's what he said on his death that he said that was gonna be the final card, was an alien card, and then it was all going to be a lie. And you know, I believe it wholeheartedly because I've

seen little bits of the technology where they can hologram stuff. And I think I was watching the video come across a video on Facebook or something, but it was a football stadium and they had a cheetah or something hologram and it was jumping around all over the place and it looked so real, I mean, and it looked so real. So I just and that's what the theory is is, that's what they're going to do. They use these hooph holographic

projectors or whatever to project an alien invasion. And actually, you know, obviously the alien invasion isn't going to be able to destroy stuff, shootings or whatever. But I mean that's where our government comes in, you know what I mean. Sure, they'll have you know, explosives set in certain cities

and certain areas. They'll be you know, like you said, holographs, and then they'll be explosions and then you know, lasers and more under attack because again, the media is you know, ninety six percent of our media is owned by the same people, so they can control the narrative very easily.

And sadly, once again, I think a large part of the population we'll seek refuge in the government then realizing that this is just another hoax where they're going to have an endgame that once again takes even more and more of our freedoms away. Yeah, and I'm not sure how much time we got but or how else you wanted to go. You've got time. You've got another thirty minutes if you'd like, go right ahead. So yeah, that's kind of like my little theory too, is um the whole alien invasion thing.

But it's a lot. It's a lot to think about. I was going to go somewhere, but I'm having a hard time. I train. I've been nervous this whole time. You're doing great, man, You're doing a fantastic job. Um. But but this is something, like you said, they have been planning this in the public's mind for a long time, going back to Ronald Reagan and his infamous speech. You know, only if there would be a you know, outside entity from another world to attacks,

then we would all join together as a world. At the end of the day. What they really want is a one world order world government, just like going back to Nimrod, to control everything. They want a one world religion, a one world government, and the best way to do that is through fear and propaganda exactly. And I've actually heard some theories that were possibly

already in a one world government, you know. I've heard that there's a second Constitution to United States, and that it's like the United States Corporation, and that Washington, DC is actually like District of Columbia. Have you heard any of that, Yes, sir, so, I think you're alluding to the Organic Act of eighteen seventy one where they actually incorporated. The United States is like a corporation, which could lead to one of the reasons why no

federal government individual has ever been really held accountable. And if you go back to for those of you who didn't really follow that savings and loan scandal in the eighties and the five was it, the five senators or congressmen who were a big part of it. John McCain was one of those five, and it was a huge deal, and those guys got punished, you know, so badly that mccannon ended up running for president, you know, fifteen years

later. Again. Yeah, there's a lot to that. And then the city of London, it is a one square mile area that has its own mayor and all the banks and London are in that tiny little area where everything is incorporated, so they have their own rules, their own regulations. It's it's a mini Switzerland within the city of London. And it's the same with DC. It's one square mile and basically they have their own rules, their

own regulations. They can't be touched. And whatever chance we had of taking back our freedoms was pretty much swept out of the door when they rigged the whole January sixth event. So they let the world know, well everybody in the country though, if you come down trying to complain, we're gonna you're behind the jail. And that's what they did with those people. There's still nine hundred Americans between the ages of like twenty four and at seventy eight that

are still sitting in prison from that joke. Jesus and we had we interviewed somebody on the fact Hunter podcast. His name is Master Sartin Jeremy Brown, retired special operations guy. He was literally the poster boy for spec ops back in the nineties. You know, his face was on the recruiting posters all

around the country. And in November of twenty twenty, the FBI showed up to his house because he was a guy who understood psychological operations and so on and so forth, and they tried to recruit him for it, and he said, I'm not going to be a part of this. Are you crazy? And he captured the whole thing on his ring camera and he ended up

releasing it after January sixth happened. And what happens. The FBI rolls up and they go into his he had one of those camper trailers, like you know, thirty foot camper and they're like, oh, look, we found these hand grenades in your camper. And they arrested him and throw him in prison, and they just sentenced him to seven years in jail. I mean, and this is a guy who you know, spent twenty years serving his country. So if they can do that to him, think what they can

do to everybody else. And this is a guy you just interviewed, well I interviewed him. It would have probably been in the fall. I'm actually playing another message he released to open my podcast tomorrow. He still records. I think he's in a minimum security but they had him in a max security place for the first sixteen months or so and they finally moved into minimum so he can kind of I think he has access to a computer and records these

voice messages and he's like trying to motivate Americans to do something. His big phrases don't do nothing right because he was a Trump guy, another one of these guys who supported Trump went down there, never stepped foot, and you know he was outside the whole time. And because he released that video exposing the FBI basically proving that January sixth was a setup. They've rolled him up and threw him in prison for seven years, okoyness. So I mean that's

that's what we're dealing with here, and that's why important now. I'm glad like you and all the other folks that we've had on before who are podcasters, are aspiring podcasters. Every voice we get out there to try to shed the truth is another chance we have to get somebody's attention to wake someone else up, and we hope that starts a chain of events where they were wake

somebody up. Just look at you. You you were woken up by you know, David Weiss and all the other great troopers out there, and look which look how you changed her mother's life. And I'm willing to bet your mother's going to testify her story to others, and her story may motivate someone to change their life. So it is really a domino effect. The truth is very powerful, you know, I agree on it's just getting those But like you said, if one person wakes one person up and they wake another

person, eventually it adds up a lot. And I mean you could tell it it must be doing something because you can look on the David Weiss's app and at the friend finder and see all those blue odds. Isn't it crazy? It's a lot. It's more than you think, and that's something I want to get into. Also. I haven't paid for the subscription yet, but I want to just so you know, because it's getting harder, because I want to talk about things, you know, with like minded people.

So yeah, that you can do that in his app, Yeah, you absolutely can. And I think that's the next thing I've been saying I'm going to do for a long time. And you know, I've been able to get a lot of stuff done with the websites and a lot of people are able to chat there and I do call in shows and things of that nature so people can have their voice heard. And the end game behind that and bringing listeners on is to encourage people to realize that there are are many many

people out there who think the same way you do. But I think the real next step is and again I've done it before, and it's again, if we're going to make real progress, we're going to have to do things

out of our comfort zone. And I think starting not like doing tours around the country, but starting to do public speakings, even you know, a book in a hotel and advertising it all over like Twitter and Facebook where you can advertise local and pass out flyers and just old school get out there, you know, get people in a room and talk, because face to face is where it's at and that's where you can really make change. Yeah, I think I could see how that could work really well, doing it like

old school and stuff. Yeah, have you ever gone to any of like the platober Fest or No? I have not. When I really started agetting that stuff, we had already started homesteading, and it's so hard. My wife and I has been even really taken a vacation since we started with this, because it's it's really a seven day a week operation. But I think I think there's one in Vegas this fall. We're working on trying to get somebody to look over for just the weekend so we can get out there.

But we'll see what happens. I would like to go too, but I don't know. You know, I've never been even been in a plane. Oh really, yes, I've never flying. Yeah, it's I haven't. I said I would never fly again. I was very angry at how they treated everybody during the scamdemic with the mask and everything else. But obviously for that one on a short time frame, I would have to fly again. And from what I've heard, it's it's semi back to normal. But yeah,

it's it's it's an easy flight. Um, it's just a few hours for you. You'd probably just go to Lanti straight to Las Vegas. I'm sure they have plenty of flights. Yeah, if I put it far enough in advance, I could probably get it pretty cheap. But yep, and it actually might work out because my fiance has family and not far from Las Vegas. Oh, there you go, two birds with one stone. Yeah, so I mean we could even ask more to stay. And it's funny

because she wants to get married in Vegas. Oh, there you go, and you can go to the little Elvis Chapel. Right, we're gonna go Flat Earth Flat Earth Convention and get married. Oh that's that would be awesome. What a great weekend that would be, all in the same weekend. Yeah, and that's a decent time to go because I've been to Vegas several times and I've gone in August one time and the heat is just dreadful. I don't want to hear dry heat one hundred ten is one hundred and ten.

Yeah, but it's a lot of fun. There's a lot to do. We we usually do the shows. I'm not a big gambler, but we'll watch the shows, and there's a lot of great food out there, and we do have kind of extended family out there as well, so we have stopped buying seeing them as well. I've seen Hooever, damn the Grand Canyon did all the touristy stuff. There was a lot to do out there. Yeah, so that reminds me. On the planes, I like, um, sometimes it's just for fun. I'll look at what is it a

plane founder or a flight founder or something. Ye. And it's funny though, because I'll watch all these flights coming from like Germany or any where. You're like right there and they're going to the United States and it's just a curve so far upwards, like going around Iceland or blind then like there's other flights I'll just go straight across and it's it's like I don't understand why. And of course you know the Eric Debate what was it Eric Debates book?

But the sixteen it's not Eric Debates book. I forget the gentleman's name. Um, but yeah, the sixteen emergency landings, right, yeah, yeah. And another big thing for me for planes is it's just how they explain everything. So they're sitting here saying, you know, everybody, why can't we just you know, hover in a helicopter and our destination come to us.

They say that that atmosphere is locked in with Earth's gravity and spin whatever, But it still doesn't make any sense because if you're going to go against the spin, I mean, you should be getting places pretty quick, absolutely absolutely. So that's and they don't have an answer for that. I guess I don't know. No, And um, a lot of way they answer us is just with the rolling of the eyes. Right. But at the same time, when when they act like that, if you really ask them

questions about heliocentrism, of them don't even know the answers. They'll just say gravity. Um, they won't. You know that they don't know anything about you know, you know, the vacuum of space being next to Earth. If they you know, we can see too far. They have no idea how far the sun is, how far the moon is, the rotation, the acts, you know, they're on a twenty three point four degree acts as they don't know any of it, but they'll defend it because their science

teacher told them so. Yeah, and I think it was the same when I was in school, and that's what I have. Go ahead, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Um. I was just gonna say, do you can you envision a world where everything was good, where we knew the truth or could at least go see for ourselves. Yeah, isn't that a shame that, Sophie, we allow. That's one thing we have to remember that

we allow this. And I tried to make that clear today. While Americans and people around the world are ninety eight percent of them or whatever are genuinely good people who just want to, you know, take care of their family and you know, have a few shekels left over to go on a little

vacation. But you're right that the fact that so few people and the number that most people throw around is about eight thousand, that that really around this world kind of control everything and in the space of you know, seven or eight billion people, that is you know, we're talking zero point zero zero zero zero zero one percent who control everything and make our lives miserable. It

is a shame and what a wonderful world it would be. And that's at the same time, I will tell you, Robert that I'm not sure that there's a lot of people out there who could really handle true freedom, because I mean, if you want to talk about no taxes and then does that mean all the government assistance programs go away? Can people really handle burn, you know, handling their own load? Do you know where I'm getting at. Yeah, And you know, if it ever came down to it,

it would take a lot a long time. You know, it would take generations dying and new generations coming. You know, you have to start from scratch, basically, and it would be hard to every some you know, the older generations probably wouldn't be on board or anything and or wouldn't be able

to you know what I mean. I would say yes and no, I'm not going to delve deep into this subject on this podcast, but I will tell you that in Germany and the late twenties and early thirties, where it was in a place of very, very financial distress, and when they came up with their new system, within a matter of five years, the unemployment went from fifty percent to about one point seven percent, So it can be done. The thing is you have to have the will to make it done.

It takes a sacrifice, and it really it takes everybody pitching in for the good and getting those parasites caught in the system to get us back to where we are today. And that is the problem. Is I think that the federal government has gotten so far and so out of control. Like I don't think back in the late eighteenth century, you know, when the Declaration was getting signed and we were walking away from from England, that it was

never meant to be this big it should. It was just supposed to be a very small thing where where men walked away from the public life or i'm sorry, from the private sector to the public sector to serve for a few years and to really handle any disputes between the states. That's really all the federal government was about. There was no taxes back then. We walked away

from the from England because of taxes. It wasn't until you know, December twenty fourth, nineteen thirteen, when the Federal Reserve snuck in and and once again we became the parasites took back over and taxes started creeping in property taxes. You know, the wars put us in a lot of debt. But yeah, I've never heard a Democrat or Republican run on saying I'm going to abolish the Federal Reserve, the IRS and you know the CIA. You know,

Kennedy tried. He mentioned the CIA, and you saw what happened with him. So it's going to take I do think it's going to take like an outside entity, not within those two the Democrats or Republicans because they're controlled. It's going to take an organic movement that doesn't get hijacked in order to

fix where we are today. What are your thoughts on that? That's why I thought I'd dream about It's like every day just thinking of ways that we could achieve something like that, you know, And um, you know, I have my own thoughts and ideas. But like you said, it would and maybe it wouldn't be as hard as like you said, it could happen pretty quick, I guess, Um, like you said, the Germany thing, But it just takes the right people, the motivation and like you know,

doing it for the right reasons, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely, And once again you have you know, you have to do all the things that politicians promise but never carry out. Right, term limits, end of game. You know, two terms and you're done. You're gone, You're back, You're you're back into the public life. You're you're not. You know, these people who are in government for you know, fifty sixty years making a career out of it is not that. That is

not how the system was originally built to be. And unfortunately, like everything else, the people who get in charge get power and listen when when man gets our you know, for everyone who does good, there's probably two or three who are corrupted and are more concerned with how can I benefit from my position instead of how can I, you know, make life better for the people I represent? Yeah, I agree with you. And you know, I think that's I mean, people are waking up, you can see it.

Yeah, And I think the government scared about it, or the controllers, And I think that's what this whole COVID thing was is maybe not necessarily the depopulation agenda, but a test run, you know what I mean. Oh yeah, listen, COVID was a test run that it's it's going to get worse than that. Yeah, I'm hearing as early as twenty twenty five. Yeah, that's the word they used, was spars. I guess that's supposed to be the next That was the next one. But now that it's

out, they'll obviously change and it'll be something else. But one thing to remember next year is an election cycle. So I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that it it happens within the next Where are we at now, sixteen months or so? Yeah, yeah, you got a point there, because it did. That's when COVID come around, was around the last election. Yeah. And again it's not who cast the votes, it's

who counts the votes and when. When they have everybody hiding in their house from COVID, it makes it that much easier to manipulate an election, right, Yeah. And it's sometimes I think it doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter. You know, I've heard the term presidents are selected, not elected. Yeah, exactly right, correct, Yeah, yep. And that's what most people say is well, you just go out and vote. I mean, I haven't I don't think I've ever voted. I mean, and like,

like I was just I don't know if it would matter. And that's what you know, they say, It's like oh, well, you think one person doesn't matter what it does. But I mean, clearly they great

to last election. It's like it doesn't matter that. But you know, and this is where my thought process goes, like, I don't know what to think, like with Trump, because yes, he just false hope, a controlled opposition person to you know, falsify make us think that we have But you know, then they say that, you know, the economy was the best that ever was when he was in office, and it's like,

I don't know what to think. I think they knew that the folks on the left would embrace Fauci and that agenda, but I think that they thought that the people in the right would be more willing to roll up their sleeve and take that if Trump told them to do so, and I think they came up well short on that. The thing that still kind of blows my mind is that they still are on his team. As anti vex as these people were, they just kind of assuw it like it was no big deal.

It was a very big deal. And he didn't drain the swamp and he didn't arrest Hillary. And again, you just don't get to that point without being put there and I think his name was Dean. He just sent me an email in the last day or two and he had mentioned about the William Shakespeare line All the World's a stage, and that's exactly what it is. All the world is a stage. The actors are are are hand chosen

and putting these places. Sometimes they have their rituals they have to do, like Kanye had his little humiliation ritual, Tom Hanks had his little humiliation ritual. And if they don't play the game, like what was her name? The comedian who came out and said that what Michelle Obama was a transgender and boom, she was dead a week later, right, So you have to stay in line. Yeah, And I think it it goes back to paper

and contracts. You know, all of these artists have to sign a contract, right, you know they get you know, signed on or contracted or whatever. And I think that you know between the lines and says, hey, you gotta do what we say or you know that's how because you know I will Um. I interviewed Sean Hitler on my podcast. Yeah, he's my first interview. I was actually super nervous and excited at the same time because um, you know, he had just released his uh level with Me

documentaries. Yeah, and we got to talking about something similar. And it's because it's like, you know, you don't really hear of like our big flat Earth idols ever getting off and just like, well why if they don't, you know, they just off anybody they want to. And we think

it goes back to you're being in a contract. It's like they have to you know, give some instances of the truth or whatever it's, you know, so they can't know flat Earth or as ever, or at least not the big guys you know, David Wise, Eric Debate, whatever, have actually you know, contracted anything signed anywhere basically saying you know, you're not

allowed to say anything. So that's what happens to these actors, in my opinion, is you know, they're going out of the way saying so they're not supposed to, and that's why they get sick or die and things like that. And I'll take you one step even deeper. For the people who want to step up on the world stage, in many cases, it takes

a family member to be sacrificed. And I can show you so many famous people who had a loved one or someone very close close to them pass away under nefarious circumstances right before or as they were getting famous, that these rituals are real in there for the normal, you know, Guy and Gal, like ourselves, who again, like we said, just want to live our life without being bothered. It's a bitter pill to swallow, and it's hard

for us to believe that that level of evil actually exists on earth. It's hurtful, and you know, when you start getting into the child trafficking stuff, and again, kind of shame on me for not covering it more because you know, to me, it's just one of those things that I get very emotionally upset about and I think those people should just be dropped into a volcano. But it happens, It really happens. And there's so many stories

about CPS within the States that I've just been corrupted. And going back to what you said earlier about signing contracts. Have you ever heard the clip about Bob Dylan selling his soul to the devil? Is that why he painted so good? Bob Dylan? Yeah? Yeah, have you ever heard that? Yeah? Yeah, we're thinking I'm the same person the painter, right, No, no, no, Bob Dylan, He's a very famous musician from the sixties and seventies. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of Ross.

Oh, the guy with the perm Yeah, I got backwards. But yes, Bob Dylan, Sorry, yeah, Bob Dylan. On sixty minutes, he admitted he sold his soul to the devil. Have you heard that one? Yes, I did listen to that one. Yeahcredibly called him the big chief here, you know, the guy who rules the earth. So, um, it's been acknowledged. Yeah, and I think I've heard somewhere that it says. Because I mean, I haven't read the Bible myself, and

I have my reasons. I'm not saying that I don't believe it, but um, I've seen somewhere where you know, the Devil is the ruler of Earth, which is why you know all these things can happen, because you know, maybe earth is our trial to get into Heaven, you know what I mean. Yeah, And I mean, look, he tempted Jesus for forty days. And if he can do that too, you know, the one person who never send imagine what he can do to us on a daily basis, Like say, can't put he can't physically put a gun in our

hand and make us shoot somebody, but they can. He contempt us with alcohol, He contempt us with so many things, and we lead into our own self destruction. It's the way he's If you go to bible dot com and you just put the word deceit or deceived in the search box, you will be shocked at how much deceit goes on in our world. And that's why it's important that you know, folks like you and I and everybody else who do these podcasts try to wake up as many people as we can,

because this is real. There's you know, this evil exists at the very top of not just our government, but gone back. I kind of I skipped over when you mentioned that earlier, my bad, you had mentioned that maybe, just maybe there's already a one world government in place. I will tell you it shouldn't seem like the entire world was unlock set with COVID,

would you agree? Yes? And that's like these distraction methods, you know, with the Chinese fabling, which we all know was in satellite, and I think during that time the Russians were supposedly on our shores close here and there, and had their fleets everywhere. You know, I think that's just a big distraction of what's really going on. And that's also like with the stuff going on in h New York. I don't know if it's still all hazy from the fires and stuff. But that was from Canada, you know.

I mean, that's completely different country, but it was set there, and I think they knew it was going to affect places like New York. You know, I don't know. And then I've been seeing these videos of something close to the sun, so I don't know. Sorry, I kind of went off on a little no. No, that's that's fine. I do think they have these things on calendars, you know, for that reason. You know, this week is going to be this distraction. Next week

is going to be the child. And they mock us. They probably sit there and laugh, whether it's the Council on Foreign Relations or the Good Club or you know, um, the World Economic Forum, when they the controllers and when they have these meetings, they mock us. They laugh, you know, the things they say. They're like, we're gonna put this balloon and we're going to show them exactly what a satellite is, and we're gonna

call it and we're just going to mock them. And they're not going to know any different, and they're going to go back to watch their baseball, they're gonna work overtime that they're just not going to care. They can really at this point, they throw it in our face and we still just continue on. Yeah, and it leads me to some other theories, like the simulation theory. You know what if a lot of these people that don't care or want to care, or just NPCs, you know, their programmed like

that, So that's why they don't they don't wake up and stuff. I don't know. Yeah, I always I'm just gonna interact with this person I'd never interact with and see if it's an NPC. There was somebody told me to watch The Free Guy because the last cent or fifteen minutes had some flat earth things to it, and it ended up that movie being ended up being about non player characters. I'm like, what are they really trying to tell us here? Are they telling us that there's land beyond the ends? Or

are they telling us that they're non player characters? What's really going on?

Because I do think there is a message in everything in Hollywood. It's that it's their way of telling us. But it's also a way of invoking a certain emotion and getting us prepared for the next whatever is about to happen, right right, And I think that's the that's the difference of watching movies before and now, Like once you're awake, the movie affect you differently because it's, like you said, you can look and see what's coming, because it's

something you bring up all the time. For the COVID thing. Is that movie? What is it? Compatient? Yeah, And you know, I remember watching that movie before I was awake, and it was I thought it was a good movie. It's scary, you know, it's like, wow, this could really happen. Yeah, I don't yep, And sure enough, and those scenes are put in place cleverly, the cocktail cup or the glass excuse me, and it's passed from her to the bartender to the dishwasher

and the whole chain of events. Everybody gets sick and again they play it, you know, randomly on TV for the for the next seven years, and boom when it happens. That is triggered in people's mind because it's been played over and over and over. It's like subliminal programming almost. And I mean you know it's terrible to say it, but the evil has done a good job. I mean they had a goal and they've executed it and they've

been successful. Yeah, and that they continue to be and they've used technology to their power and we'll see what the next big thing is, hopefully again. I do believe they overplayed their cards with COVID. I do see a bit of awaken within the Christian community for sure, and around the world.

I think it has brought excuse me, bad grammar, it has brought people closer to God because I think people realize how evil things are here on Earth and it I just do see that there is a big awakening, both spiritually and you know, just being able to see. Like the old They Live movie when Roddy Piper's trying to put the glasses on the guy, that was like kind of an analogy for people who are awake. You know, we see things differently, and the glasses were just kind of the symbol for being

awake. Yeah. I never watched that full movie, but I watched a lot of clips on it, because, yes, it was interesting. When I first seen it, I was actually a bit surprised. It's like, what makes you think it's like how long how do they get movies out like that? All right? You know? And then it's like how long have people really been thinking stuff that we think today? But maybe it's just the technology that everybody, you know, it can easily accessible, you know what

I mean? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely, it's a great movie. I have it on Blu ray and I have the movie poster sitting right behind me. I see that movie probably fifty times. Yeah, it's so many rabbit holes. And I'll tell you on my other podcast, every time I go down a particular rabbit hole, like this week we're doing one on Fauci, you come across ten other rabbit holes and it's shocking how many of them actually intersect and you that's when you really start to realize that, you know,

this evil is controlled by a small group of people. Yeah, I'll believe it. And I think back to the depopulation and I think that they are trying. But you know, with this AI stuff coming out and makes me wonder, it's like, if it becomes advanced enough to the point where AIS can do what the humans do, what used with the controllers have for humans? Yeah, I guess at that point they'll they'll start to you know, thin our numbers down even more, right I mean yeah, and that

goes back to what you AI say. Again, I'm sorry they could blame it on the AI. Oh absolutely, they'll use it as a scapegoat, right, yeah, absolutely, and uh yeah, that will definitely. Um then down the herd. Like you said, now is the time to be cognizant of what you eat and what you drink for sure, more than ever. Um yeah, I've heard some theories. They even they could even put vaccines in the fees. Now, that's what they are doing now, yea

sir. Yeah, and so it's really scary. And that's why I mentioned in my email and my first email to you that I was interested in homesteading. But it's it's it's hard, and I'm going through some stuff now, Like I just basically quit my job, oh wow, because I'm tired, you know. And it's it's everything. It keeps you energy drained. That's why I said earlier. I'm trying to explore other ways of income. I don't know what I'm gonna do just yet, but I'm just um, you

know, I've got to start somewhere. Yeah, if there's a will there's a way, and if it's God's calling to you, he'll point you in the right direction. You know, pray about it, and you know, it's amazing. Look what God did for your mom. And I think that you have. UM. You know, you're you're smart, you're young, You've got your whole life ahead of you, and um, I think you

have a lot of knowledge. And again I've said so many times, we've had a lot of folks, you know, under the age of thirty five on this podcast, whom our years ahead of me when I was y'all's age as far as being able to see the truth. So I think you've got a very bright future ahead of you. And I hope you're you're somehow able to do something where you can still have plenty of time to do what you're doing sharing the truth, because you know, the two biggest resources that we

always kind of fall short on is time and money. We usually run out of one or the other, and we just have to pick and choose what we do during the day. You know, I wish I could do a podcast every single day to put out there to folks, but again, it's just we only have so much time, right, Yeah, And It's funny you say tom and money always lacking one or the other. But the thing is is both were created. Yeah, well there you go, brother, You're right, they're created. And you know, I got to be there

at nine and right. They didn't have that back in the day. You know, the sun came up, people got up and they went out out, they harvested their food, they sat down with their family, they cooked, and you know, there's something to be said about living a simpler life like when when we first went to Iraq. I know this is probably a poor analogy, but we lived in a very, very austere environment. We didn't have anything. We were in the middle of nowhere, and everything we

did it was like almost going backwards in time two hundred years. We had to hand wash our own clothes and buckets, we had to get our own water, and we had so much food available to us via MRIs and you know, everything we did was for a reason, and that's kind of how you set your schedule. Back in the day. You had to get up, you had to forge, but everything you did was to provide for your family or to provide safety for your family. It wasn't to make a lot

of money. So you could have a lot of things, and then you had to work a little harder because the government took twenty percent of your money and you know, they didn't tell them what they could have and what they couldn't have and what was illegal. And again with progress, you know when you get nice things and we look, we do live comfortable now, Like we have air conditioning, we have not plasma, I guess that's even old.

Now we have HDTV. You know, we're sitting here behind a computer having a conversation, you know, a thousand miles away from each other, and we're going to share it with folks from around the world. So their technology is good. But at the same time, look at the look at

what we have to do. You know, not to sound like a bleeding heart liberal, right, but there's literally a lot of the things that we have in front of me right now, like these computers and monitors are made in people in you know, like Thailand and China that are making very minimal money working you know, six twelve hour shifts. So it's kind of a weird world. World. Weird world we live in, and don't we Yeah, And you know, I've come across these ideas just like what if we

could. I mean, I think we've all seen it movies and stuff where you pretend to be the bad guy to get in and you know, destroy the bad guy. Man, do you think like someone in that like that in real life as possible to have like a white hat infiltrate like that. The problem is that the government has gotten so big it would take more than one person. It would take a group of people to infiltrate different levels of

government, and I think they have that under such tight wraps. They only nominate, like if you go to different positions like usaid is a government position which sends up billions of dollars to aid for other countries. All these it's the same people you see all the time. They just jump around in different positions. Condoleeza Rices and all these people, the neo cons and the um It's just the same group of people. They want you to believe their enemies.

But I always go back to the two thousand and four election, Like, if you want any more proof that this game is rigged, you know, you look at John Kerry and George Bush. They're both skull and bones guys. We had no choice, and the game is rigged. And the million dollar question is that how do we how do we get out of the system? Do we just all we can? We can we convince enough people to walk away from the system. I don't think we're at the point now

where we can like flip the current system. I think the only way we're going to succeed at this point is walk away create our own system. You know, I agree with that a lot. And I've seen on TikTok you know that they don't get a lot of attention or anything, but there's community. People are starting communities. You know, they're bringing both sides of the

families together on a piece of land and start like homesteading basically. And I think, you know that if it becomes more popular, that more people will do it. And you know, people like that. They don't pay attention to the news, so there they never have to worry about being, you know, in fear of something, because that's basically all the news is just keep you in fear. Yeah, I can. I can assure you that

the Amish people aren't worried about most of the things we're talking about. Oh yeah, you know, but it goes back to like what a lot of people say, humans are just naturally curious, and it's like, I don't know, I think we deserve to know as much of the truth as God would allow. And I don't know. Maybe maybe that's where we're at now. Yeah, and I agree, and I do believe that the people at

the top do have that knowledge. I don't know how much knowledge, because even they only have so much, even with you know, the help of Satan that I don't have all the knowledge. God certainly didn't give Lucifer all his knowledge. But you know, they always the story goes that, you know, Lucifer was the hero because he freed out him and Knee from the Garden of Eve. And that's how they pervert everything, and that's why they think he is, you know, he's the man. But yeah, I

mean he is. He can make all your dreams come true. He can make all your dreams come true if if you're willing to give out of every that's right. Like the million dollar Man the wrestler used to say, Yeah, everything comes with a price, and it's a heck of a price to pay if you're willing to accept. And I'm here to tell y'all, life goes fast. Life goes really fast. No matter how good or you know, I felt like I was thirty two just a few minutes ago, and

boom here I am. You know, over fifty. It's just insane. I understand the feeling, you know. You know, everybody says, oh, you're young, you got your whole life, he had it. Yeah, well, I promise you thirty of right around a corner, and I mean, going down the routes that were going, that's like midway life point, you know what I mean. Everybody just assumes, you know, fifty

is midlife. But if you go and continue down the government's paths, you know, eating what they say and breathing air drink or whatever, you know, life expectancy is barely eighty years. Yeah, and at the retirement age is fixing it go up again to like sixty nine. Yeah, that just happened in another country. I want to say. It was France, and those folks were out in the street every day for a few weeks. Yeah. And you never saw that on the news. No, No, you

only found that on alternative alternative media sites. Yep, like TikTok. Yeah,

like TikTok. There you go. That's where I found it because I scrolled across the videos like, yeah, you've seen what's going on in Paris and Frances what so you know you TikTok look it up on TikTok and sure enough, there's so many videos, millions protesting and it was literally literally millions, and they basically just want you to work in until you die, right, Yeah, I mean, and that's nobody should be okay with that. No, not at all. I don't understand how anybody could be on board

with it. Yeah, sure, let's let's do this. No, absolutely not. We we were created, this earth was created for us, and we should be able to go and see all of this wonders and use all of it's the things that gives us because we give us everything we need to survive. So it's like, you know, they created all this stuff for practically nothing. That's my mindset. It's like, why can't we just live where we were designed to live? Yeah, and go back to community.

But they destroy the communities in the seventies and eighties, and that's another big part of the problem, and that they brainwash you know, the children. You know, when you turn eighteen, run as far away as your families, you can, right go out and start your life. But again that would be great, like you said, families have in their own land like joint properties, right, large homesteads with with with family, not you know, helping each other out. And again, the monetary system is the problem.

It's the current monetary system, how it's used, how it's taxed, and how they have trivialized the dollar with hyper inflation. Everything has just gotten so expensive. And every time there's inflation, people have to work harder, longer hours. And it's a shame people don't really, you know, I

can't enjoy their life to the fullest. Yeah, And they make it harder and harder because just like school is useless, they don't teach you really nothing you need, Like you should be learning how to do your taxes and stuff in our school, learning how to build credit, you know, imagine that. Yeah, I always joke I've never used algebra since I've graduated high school. I had to find a square root of anything. Yeah, I know,

it's it is funny. And you look again, if you count the actual hours twelve years, one hundred and eighty days times eight hours, it's just it's it's a lot and the greatest, you know, the thing I've ever done was homeschool, and I hope we've encouraged more people to do so.

Yeah, I have no kids right now, but that is that's kind of why I'm like going down this route, is because I want to make sure financially stable enough, you know, even if it takes, you know, having to sacrifice everything for some time to save the money to get what I need, you know, I want to be able to teach my kids what they need to know, not what the public school system wants them to think they know. Yeah. Absolutely, no greater joy than molding your own

child's mind and not sending them off to have a stranger do so. Again, there's great teachers, great private schools out there, and I'm sure there's even some good public schools. It all depends on your situation, yeah, of course, And there's there are benefits to school, you know, the

friendships and the athletics, and you could still do athletics from homeschool. But I'm just glad at this juncture of the world and where it's at, I just wouldn't There's I would never send my daughter back to a public school. Not not today's world. Yeah, I mean it's gotten worse since Eve when I was in school. I mean, and a lot of it's not even just about what they're teaching them. It's about their safety, you know. Yeah, it's a big issue. Yeah, for sure what we are at

the ninety minute mark. Was there was there anything that you had that you wanted to cover that we hadn't touched on yet. I don't think so. I know, we didn't talk a lot flat Earth, but like it's like

I tell everybody, the flat Earth is open and wised everything else. And I think, you know, that's why my podcast is the Flat Earth Reality, because we can actually talk about everything because the reality if you believe in a globe, your reality is going to be different when a globe versus if you believe the Earth is flat, because you can see how different their actual reality is on your flat Earth then on a globe Earth. Yeah, and

we control our reality. And like you said, that is something that I really learned when I, you know, accepted flat Earth and realized heliocentrism was just another tactic by the controllers to keep us in a prison, right and in a prison planet. It's exactly what it is, and it frees your mind and mine was kind of the opposite of years. It was kind of the last barrier I broke down, but it did open my mind to other things I was able to. I guess I would be more I was less

willing to look at before the flat Earth opened up. Then I'm like, well, if this was a lie, then maybe I should go back look

at this, this and this, you know. And I really enjoy hearing that, and because I got to experience it a little bit with you, George, because I actually, you know, after I got caught up on your flatterth Files podcast, I was like, well, let me go see what some of the stuff he's talking about on his back Hunter, and I went to the very beginning, and I think it was like the eleventh episode you were getting everybody ready for David Wie and it was it was just so

it was nice, after I've heard everything you had to say, you know, flat earthwise, I got to go back to the beginning, basically when you just discovered it. And it was cool for me because it's like it's like one of your members said, you know, you don't know me, but I know you just because I listened to you all the time. So it's like when I went back to the fact Hunter and got to witness when you was first coming into it, it was actually like really awesome. Yeah,

it's um and it's funny. I don't know if like I was excited, I thought everybody would be so like, well, you know, we really found a rabbit hole here. You know, we just thought flat Earth was just another you know, conspiracy theory. And you know, the next day after I posted that episode, I had so many emails like you had a good thing going and you just ruined it with flatterth And I was like what I was. I was a little in shocked at how device if it

was. And uh, you know, I tried to broach it again a few times, and every single time. Two things that'll get you in trouble in the podcast world is is Trump episodes and Flat Earth episodes? One eye that's why you started on the other podcast? Yeah, the flat Earth. I'm listening, you know what, because I was very passionate about it, and uh, I you know, I just wanted to have it in a place where people who wanted to be a part of it could be not I

didn't want it to be divisive. And it's really a blessing because um, you know, it's I mean, people get to share their stories and you know, just they get to hear things like what you just said about your mom, that this is positive messages that in a world full of evil that

we don't hear enough of. I agree with you, and that's really why I wanted to get into podcasting, because the podcasting world seems to be awesome, you know, and a lot of people do listen to podcasts, and people do get curious and we'll go type in flat earth and that's all it

takes is just listening, you know. And it's easier to do it if you're like working or doing something that you enjoy or something you know, because you're doing something but you can focus and listen, right You don't have time to really sit there and go, oh, I don't want to listen to this, or too busy, so you don't even change it, and the next thing, you know, you're a flat earth. Right. Yeah, there's a reason that podcast numbers are much bigger during the week than the weekends.

Most people when they're working or doing their chores or whatever, they're listening to podcasts. On the weekends, most people are out don't get as many. But I mean we still get quite a bit, but I think most people consume podcasts at work or while they're driving or doing cutting grass or things like that. Yep, glad, I'm glad to be here. Yeah,

it was a tremendous ninety minutes. And I hope people check out your podcast, which will be linked in the show description, as well as Robert's email address, which is the Flat Earth Reality ninety five at gmail dot com. And again we'll have the link to his podcast. Check that out. And as always, Robert, I'll leave you with the last words. So I always say, you know, and most flat earths will say, don't necessarily take our words, just go look at it yourself. And I mean look

at everything and decide for yourself. And that's why when people do that have their own theories. You know, there's not you know, flat earths have many different theories. Could there be a dome or not or whatever, but you know, we all think and decide for ourselves. Yep. I couldn't said it any better myself. Listen to everyone and discern for yourself. That's what the great Bill Cooper said. So again, I want to thank you for your time, and I hope everybody checks out your podcast. And I

wish you all the success and keep in touch. And for Robert, I'm George. Don't forget the flat earth Files dot com and email us at the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. And again check the show description for all of Robert's information. For Robert, I'm George. God bless everyone and have a great week and until next time, we'll see you.