Episode 56: Flat Earth Conversation with Adrian

M. The following presentation is in al Marve Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. Thank you all for joining us today. We have a very special guest standing by who will be joining us in just a minute from the Pacific Northwest. Before we get to Adrian, just a reminder make sure you stop by the website, The flat earth Files dot com. We have twenty four

seven streaming radio, We have our speak pipe message system. You can leave us a message which we'd have quite a few to play on the next episode, and the chat room, the forum, so much to do. Stop by and say hello the flat earth Files dot com. And if you'd like to join the program, like Adrian is tonight, send us an email the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. Again, that is the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. Without any further Ado, let's bring on our

special guest for the evening again. He hails from the Pacific Northwest and he is Adrian. Adrian, thank you so much for reaching out and joining us tonight. Ay, George, thanks for having Yeah, it's it's it's a pleasure to have you and you've reached out I guess a little over a month ago, and you know, we talked a little bit before the program. I think some of the you've been kind of going down the rabbit holes for I guess about seven or eight years now, and I think your story resonates

with a lot of people with nine to eleven. But one of them that I don't hear too much that we discussed before the program was the deceptions of Princess Diana, And if folks haven't really gone down that rabbit hole, I think they'd be very interested with some information in that. But before we get started, you know, give us a moment and introduce yourself to our listeners. Yeah, so my name is Adrian from Seattle area. I grew up

here originally from California. My family moved up here when I was young, and it was originally where my dad's from, so he kind of had a tie here brought us up here. But yeah, he was the one that actually kind of got me into the whole conspiratorial mindset. I guess you could say. We started watching stuff like Ancient Aliens and all kinds of like documentaries

and a History channel stuff like that. He told me about his days when he was in the Marines and when he was younger living up in the Salmon Islands. He said that when he was younger, he actually had a UFO sighting. Um, I mean I when I was younger, I just kind of brushed it off like it wasn't really anything. But you know, over time, you know, I mean, all that stuff began to kind of

come together as something that I wanted to look into myself. But yeah, I mean, I think, but really kind of kicked off my journey was probably around twenty fifteen when my dad passed. He had cancer and it was a little bit too late by the time he caught it, and I kind of spent as many days as I could with him, almost every other day during that one year battle. Um, it's pretty tough to watch, you

know, somebody so strong kind of get taken down like that. But it just kind of gave me time with him to kind of speak with him in

a way where I don't think I ever did throughout my life. Kind of made me appreciate my kids a lot more and kind of I think what really kind of pushed me into the conspiracy stuff was just one to know the truth of things and having kids kind of gave me this more of a I guess you could call it a stake in the future and kind of wanted to, you know, know more about the world that my kids are going to be growing up in and becoming a part of, you know, because they kids

are the future and you know, this is the world they're going to inherit

um. Yeah, that's yeah, I think go ahead. I'm sorry, God, no, no, I was just gonna say that's I think that's the mantra for a lot of people in the truth community is once you realize how corrupt the system is in the world we live in, it motivates us even more to get to the bottom of the truth and shine the light on things and try to tell others, hey, you know you're being lied to and this isn't like the greatest system how things are set up and um and

things of that nature. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I mean it's it's it's weird kind of talking to my kids about it. I Mean, I have a couple of kids that are young teenagers and they're kind of you know, they're very smart kids, and you know, they don't they don't miss much. They pretty much are not necessarily on board with everything that I'm thinking

of. But they're very open minded. M they question everything that they learn in school, and you know, they kind of they understand that the public school systems kind of you know, it's just an indoctrination system, and you know, and I don't blame them for not wanting to go to school, especially with all the shootings and all the stuff going on these days. I mean, they're kind of pushing me to do a homeschooling and I've been considering it. I just I'm not exactly sure how it at all will work.

I mean, and I know it's very different. There's a lot of curriculum that you know, is involved with it that it would be kind of an extra job here at home. Yeah, but I mean I do try to teach them everything that I do know because I always tell them, I start off every morning, I'll send them a text while I'm at work. I'll start their day with some inspirational quote or picture or something that I find, you know, just to kind of so when they wake up in the morning

they got some positive to start their day. But yeah, I mean, they're they're they're kind of looking at the world with we're very open and discerning eyes. That's for sure. That's great. And I know I actually interviewed someone the other day from the from Washington and they said it is one of

those states where they make it a little more difficult. I think he had mentioned that you actually have to petition to the state and justify why you want a home school, which you know, you think about everything our country is supposed to stand for. That the otter thought of that is kind of ridiculous. It's you know, we mentioned often that, Um, it's it's it's important, and it's awesome. The way that you run things and challenging them

and giving them inspirational quotes. That's that's fantastic and that's something that I should start doing myself. But um, you know, molding children's minds and it's it's it's just very interesting how slowly and surely the state is trying to take control of everything and they want you to ask permission to do things like educate your child. It's just bizarro world, isn't it. Yeah, it's crazy.

We got to ask permission for everything. I mean, you got to ask permission to go fishing and to you know, drive our cars and everything. I mean, it's it's pretty crazy, you know. I just I

never really paid attention to the stuff. And then, um, I know my dad would kind of talk about things in that manner, but I never really kind of thought about it. I guess being a kid, I didn't really think of the whole adult responsibility and kind of world, and it was just kind of you know, obviously, they don't teach you any of the important stuff in school growing up, so I mean it's just a lot of

stuff. You know, like most people kind of learn all the important things in life, you know, once they're out of high school and trying to navigate the world. But that's why I'm trying to give my kids the proper you know, resources in mindset, you know, early on. That way, they can think about life a little bit more of a headstart, I

guess than I had. Um. Yeah, I mean in plus, my my my family growing up, I mean, we grew up completely you know, atheist, never went to church or anything like that, you know. My my in particular, I would say a couple of people in my immediate family are very very left leaning, and I mean regardless of political stuff. It's just it's just crazy to me to kind of associate and I you know, keep that ideology, you know, with a particular political parties just you

know, bizarre to me. Uh, you know, just to be open minded. I think I think the majority of people are just either just left or just right of center. And uh, but you know, the extremes can get pretty crazy, especially up here in Seattle area. I mean I would consider Washington State more so like a blue city in a red state. I mean it's it's it's a definitely different up here, that's for sure. Yeah. And I think that goes just uh for for a lot of states.

Here in Delaware, we have two cities, Wilmington and Dover, that are I guess you would call blue. But I mean everybody in the two counties, uh, you know, south of there, we're all uh you know, it's it's rural. We're all chicken farmers and and so on and so forth. And you know, I was that guy too. I was on the Trump train and we were going to arrest Hillary. And it is very Sometimes politics can be very um, I don't know what the word is, but you know you can get all caught up in it. It's very

divisive, which is you know what at the end of the day. That's what it's all about. I mean, three hundred and thirty million people, two parties, and even on social media, if I comment on something, they automatically assume I'm a I'm a card carrying Republican and I've become just completely a political and I just don't even bother to vote anymore because it's just another scam and I don't approve of the current system and I don't I just don't

want to be a part of it. And it's just funny how people assume, well, if you're if you're not with us, and then you must be with them, And that's completely goes to prove how how brainwashed and how indoctrinated and how honestly, I guess you got to give credit where credit is due. They've perfected this system and they got everybody hook line and sinker, right, Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean it's crazy too that

you mentioned that the whole non voting. I don't think I voted since uh was a bush and carry, I mean, and that was I remember going to the polls with my dad and I remember him kind of leaning over to me and he's like, who are you voting for? And Uh. I just was like, I have no idea. I mean I was I think at the time, maybe I'd just turned eighteen, and uh, I mean I didn't look into this stuff at that time. I mean I wish I

did. UM. And one of the craziest things too about that time, that's something that really stuck out to me was, Um, John Kerry was in Antarctica, right. That was that was very very weird. I mean at that time I didn't even pay attention to Antarctica at all, and that just kind of like highlighted for me, like kind of brought that to the forefront, like what is it with Antarctica? Um, But yeah, Antarctica.

I think for me, UM, it's like top three like most important things I think when it comes to flat Earth, especially like I would say Antarctica, UM, in the North Pole, Um, those those to me are the most intriguing. UM. Especially the way the kind of you know paradigm of flat Earth, how it changes everything and everything just kind of being drawn to the center and then having you know, South being in every direction

out word. UM. I felt like you know, just every like sci fi movie or any movie in particular, you know that kind of depicted outer space. It just kind of like it totally changed it to where your mindset

goes towards like distant lands. And I mean that could even open up a whole genre of whole new sci fi movies, right, But yeah, I just you know, I thought about that stuff at the time as far as Anartica, how it was like somewhere that we've rarely you know, rarely you know, explored, And uh, it's just been the biggest mystery for me for for a long time, since I was young. Yeah, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they keep it off limits to keep us away.

And it's not like we could um ourselves, you know, be able to put something together. But obviously, um we could in this day and age with technology, we could get a group of people together and fish our

money together and go down there and make things happen. But once again, and it's funny when you look at the Antarctica Treaty, all these countries that were supposedly at or and can't stand Russia, China, we're all, we're all okay with space and Antarctica, but everything else we're we're fighting about, right, Yeah, I know. And then that map too, like the the un map. I mean, it's just it's just in plain sight.

I mean, there's I mean, when I first started getting going down the flighter and stuff, obviously it was kind of like, you know, it was one of those things where it's just already ingreened in your mind, where it's just the stupid thing that's been kind of pushed to make it seem like it's just you know, just dismissive, like like, oh, that's already

been you know proven. You know that's stupid, that's old um. But you know, obviously, you know, going down that that rabbit hole, when you first get into it, you know, you started learning more and more were about it, and it just kind of opens your mind to like the possibility. And then once you start learning some of the facts that totally disprove you know, the whole globe model, just you know, it's very

mind blowing, very very eye opening changes everything. I mean, I mean, and not to say that we have any real concrete evidence of exactly what it looks like, but I mean there's so many facts and red flags that just point to that this is a much more probable, you know, explanation for things. I mean, the nasaid deception and all the globe stuff is just so you know, it's so it's so fake. It's so obvious now that like it's hard to like even realize how how you know, convinced you

know, everybody was. Um It's it's weird too, because I think that COVID definitely kickstarted that, you know a lot of a lot of people kind of like had time to sit and think, you know, instead of going to the daily grind and work and everything, and it gave people a chance

to kind of actually, you know, ponder things. And I think that helped a lot, you know, with the whole mass awakening, because I mean I've seen so many people come to the same conclusion that I have, and you know, obviously a lot of people just kind of keep it themselves. I know I did it at first, like I wanted to kind of bring it up to like some of my family, and then you know, obviously I was getting kind of shot down by them just with the way that

they think about a lot of things. Um, So I just kind of kept it into myself for a long time. And then you know, I found some friends here and there that were pretty open to it, and then some friends have just kind of like looked at me crazy. I mean even my family too, Like my wife, you know, at first was like what the hell are you talking about? You know, and then I care to show her some stuff, and then you know, she was considering it.

And then, uh, you know, I kind of told her because she grew up religious, and I kind of told her about like the kind of ties with you know, religion and everything and um. And then once I showed her like the uh Sean Hilder films, I mean that totally just you know, obviously pushed over the edge. I mean, there's no denying

it. I mean I got he's put out some great films, and um, you know that that's just you know, I look forward to each one that he puts out, you know, every episode that you put out. I mean I think a lot A lot of the time I spend um researching and stuff. I'm mostly just while I'm at work, I got my headphones in, I'm listening to my podcast. I listened all years, um like Tinfoil Hat, Mark Steves, My family thinks some crazy legit BA one on

one great deception John Monday. And then as soon as I came across like Dave white Stuff. I mean, man, I was searching his name and I listened to probably like every single episode I could find that had him on it. Um. But yeah, I mean it's just it's it's it's no, there's no going back back. I mean, once you see the truth is just like a white switch was like flipped on a dark room than you really see it. Yeah, there is no going back. And it completely

changes. That's the incredible thing. It really changes the way you live. And for me, it was a matter of changing priorities. I had mentioned before, I was a big sports fan. After a waking up, sports fell to the bottom. I could care less about sports. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying how it affected me. But you're right, you see everything differently. When you're watching a movie, you're busy looking at the background, You're like, hey, look there's a

thirty three, Look there's a globe. It just changes everything, how you act, how you think. A couple of things I want to go back and touch on before we go a little more forward, is you know, for all the folks who are still, you know, invested in politics, if you and I'm so glad you mentioned this because I have at my other podcast, I'm going to be doing an episode on this Gentleman very soon. That two thousand and four election was the epitome of of making people believe that

you have a choice. Because both John Kerry and George Bush we're Skull and Bone members. So again, it's it's them wanting you to think that you have a choice. It's them wanting you to think that. These guys can't stand each other, and you know, they're on different spectrums of of ideology, and the fact that the matter is, uh, those guys are two peas in the pods. They're Luciferians, and they do not have our best interest at heart. So and even casting a vote for quote, the lesser

evil doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And that whole the Skull and Bones stuff. I mean, listening to Mark on his podcast and it's just, you know, I never knew about any of this stuff. And then I mean it's just everything kind of all correlates, and you know, it's just very very eye opening to kind of to see it all connect. I mean, the dogs are not so much connecting.

They're like right next to each other m R. Yeah, I mean I think that that's like one of my one of my favorite ones listened to.

I know, he just recently had a Sean Hitler on there as well as uh tinfall had they both had had him on there, and just you know, I know that they've been kind of a skeptical of you know, the whole flatter stuff, but you know, once he came on, you could tell that their their minds were definitely changing on it um and that's like, it's it's cool here because you know, those are obviously two very big podcasts in the conspiracy of the World, and you know, for them to kind

of consider it, it's gonna make a out more people because there's people out there that will consider all kinds of wild conspiracies, but you know, when

it comes to flat to Earth, it's like they won't touch it. And it's just it's crazy to me considering how much you know, information there is available for it and how Yeah, there's literally people out there and I'm not again I'm not judging people, but there's people who believe that birds are fake, they're they're cia drones, but that they won't even even take a second to look at the fact that maybe, just maybe heliocentrism is a lie.

And I'm glad to see the bigger podcasters like them at least, you know, at least putting it in the back of their mind, because that is still a stigma within the truth community. And I think again, if you're a truther and you say, hey, question everything except the fact that we're on a ball spinning at a thousand miles an hour, you know, hurtling through space at twenty three point six, you know, you know all the

numbers and four and a half billion years just hurtling through space. But everything

else is a lie, um, you know. And I get the fact how the programming works at something that's been at the forefront, Like the first two things you're taught as a child is, you know, some guy comes down from the North poland gives everybody presence on the twenty fourth and we're on a ball and there's X amount of planets, and you know, most children have either in their crib one of those things hanging above their crib with all

the planets, or they have that little planetarium with the lights shining on their ceiling. I know my children did when they were growing up. So it's it's really and again everything from TV to movies. UM. And I know most of at least don On elementary school, almost every classroom we had had had a globe in it. So it's very brilliant. Um the way that they've used these Bernasian tactics to make us question everything except for that. Yeah,

yeah, I mean and definitely too. And and they the way they make it too, Like the way they they kind of demonize certain things like the whole word, you know, conspiracy theorists and flat earther and stuff. They give it this negative connotation where, you know, you like makes people don't even want to like, you know, consider it or associate themselves with it, because then they would be like outcasted. And uh, you know,

it's just you know, I think that's kind of slowly deteriorating. It's still pretty prevalent, but I mean I feel like it's getting chipped away right now, just considering like how many people are questioning everything and wanting to know the truth. And I mean how sloppy they've been getting with a lot of

the stuff. I mean, even though like the UFO stuff, the Blue Beam stuff that's coming out, it's just it's so they're just they seem like they're letting their guard down and they're just you know, not doing a very good job of hiding the truth. I mean, not that they ever did, really. I mean, they kind of just push it out there in our faces. But I mean it seems like lately it's just been like this clown show and uh, you know, it's just helping helping people wake up,

I think. I mean, I know that one of the things that would probably really really you know, kind of break their their mold would be like bringing back airships and the dirigibles. I mean, if we had that ability to travel long distances on very little fuel and you know, be able to go, hope, as high as we can like that. I mean I feel like that would that would probably be one of the major or major milestones for like the whole flat Earth movement. It's just being able to have

those back. Yeah, you know what they would do, They would uh you'd have to have a ten thousand dollars to pay for the license for that. They would make it so inconvenient for us, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I mean I can see I can see

them doing anything and everything to make that as hard as possible. But it's interesting, you're not the first person who's mentioned that there's a lot of people out there that said, let's bring back these these airships, these Zeppelin's right, and let us travel if you're going to make us, you know, be accountable for paying for a license, for paying for insurances and taxes and tolls and everything else. You know that there's a lot of people like,

well, we'll just do our own transportation. And there's companies. I'm sure, even if you know you can't afford it privately, I'm sure there's companies out there in a heartbeat. Who would you know, startups that would have your own just like an airport's right, Yeah, and it would be so much cheaper because you're not paying for all the fuel and um yeah, it's it's funny how everything it is controlled by them, including our travels. Um.

Yeah. So I think probably one of the one one of the movies that I remember as a kid, um that I just remember it being just the movie I watched, um and never really thought about like that until I started looking into the stuff, and then all of a sudden it would just came right back to me. It is like and the most obvious thing. There's a movie called Baron Munchhausen and uh, it's it's basically I'm trying to remember like the one big name in it. I think it is Robin Williams

and he's the King of the Moon. Um. And there's a scene where they pull up an airship they fill up basically a hot air balloon that's made out of like all the like the undergarments from like the eighteen hundreds, like you know, the women would wear, and they go up and uh, it's basically carrying what looks to be like kind of like a pirate ship. And then um, there's a scene where they they're like it's like stormy and then they crash through what I would you know, as soon as the firmament.

And then the next thing, you know is they make it to the moon and the scene is like the boat and all of a sudden it's just kind of coasting through water and sand and uh, and then it just kind of banks onto the shore and then it kind of goes from there. And there's a lot of weird little things here and there in it that are kind

of a cult and tie you into like a lot of weird stuff. Um, but yeah, it's definitely want to check out It's it's a little out there, um, but there's all kinds of stuff in it that just you know, it's it's pretty cool when you when you look at it with different eyes like that, I guess. I mean, I watch all kinds of movies and cartoons and stuff nowadays, like with you know, completely new eyes and look for different things. You know, I've never heard of that movie

and I'm looking at it now. This was I guess what eighty eight Robin Williams even Uma Thurman, this would have been one of I guess, one of her earliest roles. Eric Idolas. My goodness, I don't I think I've ever seen this movie. And it was one of the biggest I guess according to this it was one of the biggest box office bombs ever. It cost about I guess forty five million to make and it only made about eight but still wants some words for go ahead, Well now you're good cool.

I mean, it's just one I remember from my childhood. Um, it's just one of those kind of obscure movies. The visual effects and the acting is kind of wild, but it's definitely one to check out to look for those little Easter eggs, that's for sure. That's so cool. I'll definitely check that out. Um. I wanted to kind of segue, and you had mentioned earlier I think that story also resonates with a lot of people.

You know, when COVID you know, kicked off in March, Um, some people had an extra two or three hours a day on their hand because they didn't have to get up, you know, get dressed, getting the car, drive to work and a vice versa. Um, So people were finding more time on their hands, and I've said at nauseum that they overplayed their hand with COVID. How did that affect you and your family and was

that a part of your awakening as well? Yeah, yeah, it definitely was, because I mean it gave me time that I didn't have before, and you know, it was it was kind of weird because it was very like kind of nerve wracking at first, because so you know, I grew

up in my family business. When we do we work with our hands, where you know, we do furniture and stuff, and we had a family business for thirty years or thirty something years, and we just actually had closed down our shop and sold it the business to another company here, and when we closed down, they hired is On and literally a month after we were hired on, the lockdown happened. And uh, I mean it's just it's just no telling how things could have gone, you know, with our family

business, you know, with the lockdown and then shutting down businesses. I mean, I mean, obviously it would have been deemed non essential, but yeah, it was. It gave me some time to kind of, uh you know, be to myself and my phone thoughts and uh, you know, and I mean I've always kind of had that though, being able to work with my hands like that, I just have my headphones in, I

mean, listening to all kinds of different podcasts. I listened to The Facts Hunter long before I found this one, and uh, you know, just just tons of them. I would listen to probably like at least like seven or eight a day, just learning about all kinds of different stuff because I was totally into like all the old world stuff too. Um. But yeah, just having that time to kind of like you know, think about things

and pay attention to the natural world. I know they try to scare people to keep people inside, but I still want to go out inside anyways. I mean I was just kind of look outside, see you know what his outside, and I'd be like, come on, you guys, and just bring kids and you just go outside and ride ther bikes and you know,

just just couldn't stay cooped up in the house. I mean, I know a lot of people are kind of scared and wanted to stay inside, but I just I couldn't do it. But yeah, it's just, uh, it kind of sparked off like a new kind of chapter in my life. I guess I created my new business doing it. I mean I got slammed work too. I mean I got people mailing me all kinds of stuff to do because I mean I work on cars, and I had people sending me their car parts from all over the country. And it just kind of kicked

off. I guess, like a lot of people are just stuck at home board and buying stuff online and so it just it kind of floated us through. Um. It was definitely a blessing to be able to have that. I know, my my wife and kids, you know, they kind of took that as an opportunity to kind of just you know, you know, from the daily grind up, going to school and doing all that stuff, you know, my wife picking up and dropping off our kids, and so

everybody was able to kind of put their hair down for a bit. But yeah, I mean I think, like most people, people kind of got stir crazy just sitting at home and want to get out. So you know, I just I just made it a point to make sure these guys got

outside. That's awesome, Yeah, because a lot of you know, I always say I feel bad for the children, especially, you know, the class of twenty twenty who missed their prom and all of these things, and just the constant fear porn that was put upon the American population, well the global population really and now as as time passes by, you know, once again conspiracy theorists or three hundred and thirty seven wins and zero losses over the

last several years. It's just, uh, it's kind of disappointing. Um. I always ask anybody anytime I excuse me, any time I interviewed someone from your area, I always like to ask this question because for me, um, you know, I was here in the Mid Atlantic region, you know, thirty five hundred miles away from where you are. What was that summer of twenty twenty, like for you, because that that your region was pretty busy, and I think that's where that whole little they created, that

city Chaz and everything else. And just with all the propaganda that was going on, how did it affect not just your family, but your friends and other family members you're you know, um, I think like people went like very like kind of polar opposite of each other. Like either people just you know took it wholeheartedly, you know, as far as what the government was telling them and just went like doll massed up and hurried up and got the

job. And then many other people just you know, it's it's definitely not what it was depicted in the NEOs um you know, Like I said, it's like just kind of like the blue city in a red state. So I mean, you know, it was like mainly all that stuff that you saw that was crazy like in the news was mainly just downtown Seattle and that whole Chaz thing. Man when that kicked off, I mean I had friends that were walking by there, you know, going live on Facebook and you

know, kind of showing it what was really going on. I mean, it was definitely one of those things where I felt like a lot of people were kind of hoping for something like that to happen and necessarily like you know, like the kind of like the people who frequent and fill up all the tense cities around I felt like that was like one of the times where I think they were kind of figuring that was their time to kind of make something happen and take a stand. I mean, I know that they torched like

the police station. I mean, police weren't responding to anything. I mean, it was pretty wild. It was like like purge. I mean the I know a few people got pretty hurt. I want to say I remember somebody being killed, but I don't think. I'm not sure. Honestly, it's been I feel like it's been a while, Like it feels like a whole nother lifetime. Honestly, yeah it doesn't it so recent. But yeah, there's a lot of crazy stuff going on. I mean, I just

stayed out of downtown, no real reason to go down there. I mean, I feel like most people around here don't really go to downtown anymore, just because of how bad it's gotten. I mean even before covidum. But yeah, Seattle has always been like a really cool place to go and check out. But I mean it's it's just a very very different city now. I mean it used to be a place where people were proud to say that they are from and then now it's just like this dump and you know,

the laws and the people running it are just totally out of control. I mean, I think the last good time I had in downtown Seattle she I don't know. I mean, I want to say probably around when like the Sonics were so in town. Wow, that's been a minute. Yeah, that's uh, yeah, I was just there. Well, my buddy retired from JBLM in twenty I guess it was twenty eighteen, and I went up there and uh, you know, I got to see Tacoma and Mount Rainier.

It just it is a beautiful area. The weather's fantastic. It's nice and cool, and I was living in Texas at the time, so I was glad to get up there and away from the summer heat. But yeah, it's it's interesting because I was a big Frasier fan, the TV show, and I was always you know, I thought, you know, Seattle was you know, just the most laid back and it's funny once again and

it was. I'm sure at the time it was great. I loved the old Supersonic teams with Gary Camp and Debt Left, you know, all the

players they had back in the nineties, just the memories. And then you know, you fast forward twenty twenty five years and it's just uh again, it's it really appears that, you know, not just our federal government, but many of the city and state governments have been hijacked by people who really went to super progressive almost Marxist agenda pushed across and it was absolutely bizarro world,

you know, with people. I'll never forget the ladies, I guess it was in Saint Louis and there was a building burning behind her, and she's like mostly peaceful, pross most lets you say, mostly peaceful protests and just I actually remember at night during that summer of twenty twenty, I would turn on Broadcastify, which has all the police scanners, and I would, you know, click on Seattle, and it was like Fort Apache the Bronx with all the calls. Yeah, it's it's it's definitely changed so much.

I mean, you know, growing up here, I mean it's maybe I'm I'm thinking of it from my generation, but it has always been pretty laid back. I know, my generation was kind of one of more the kind of nihilistic kind of mindset and just kind of didn't really care much about the future. I mean, and I feel like that's what kind of changed for me too, because I mean I could have gone down that same path, but me having me my wife having kids early on, it just kind of

took me down a totally different path. And you know, but I definitely had that whole kind of like nihilistic mindset of like, you know, there's no future. You know, the city just kind of everybody had that weird, like kind of anarchist mindset. U. I mean, it's it's you go down there now and it's there's so many homeless that it's just it's consumed the city. And then this is just nothing but all these people that are just pushing all these laws to kind of enable them, and uh, and

then it's that's all you're left with. This is just this stark you know, difference of like people who are very wealthy you can afford the four thousand

dollars a month one bedroom condo, and then homeless. I mean, there's like real knowing between Yeah, and you really hit on something when you mentioned you, you know, nihilistic, and I think it is kind of a common theme for a lot of folks when we graduate high school and you know, maybe between that eighteen to twenty five sweet spot there, I think a lot of us do live for ourselves and live for the day. You know. Obviously there's a lot of people who are much wiser than me who may

have had it down. But I think I was that person too, And as we get older, we get wiser, not necessarily smarter, Like I don't get smarter. I think I just get wiser because I I've made so many mistakes in my life and that's kind of where wisdom comes from. But

yeah, you hit that right on the head. It's just you know, I was that way in the eighties too, and it wasn't until I was twenty five, twenty six when I started to really figure things out and realize that, you know, I better be a little more concerned about tomorrow, George, because I never worried about tomorrow, George. I let him deal with the problems. So, yeah, you've hit all great points across the

board. I kind of want to talk a little bit about flat Earth and where that fell in your journey and what was it that actually allowed you to kind of lower your guard enough to even look into it. I think, honestly, I feel like it was something that I came across on YouTube, and I think that's kind of the theme with most people, because I mean, at that point, I was already pretty open minded to things, but even that I was still kind of like, nah, I was like,

this is stupid, you know. And then once I started, you know, watching a couple of them just because out of curiosity, and I think, I want to say, the first couple that I saw were like an Eric Dubay one, and then I know, I did see that one that was like a five hour long one. Actually just started watching that one, believe it or not, Like after all these years, I just started watching that one and I'm still like not even finished with it. I want to

say, I'm like maybe three hours into it. But that's that's a really good one. I'm surprobably I can't believe I've you know, put that one

off for so long because I'm such a good one. But yeah, I mean once I started looking into those more and more, it was like it was all of a sudden like something happened where I just like I had to know more like it was you know, I kind of got like a peak into the truth and then you know, I had to see the whole picture, and just I think the most fascinating thing about it that really kind of resonated with me was the idea of distant lands rather than you know, instead

of looking up but looking out. And I mean that that just right there just kind of makes a lot more sense and effect of you know, UFOs or extraterrestrial contact and stuff. It would be a lot easier if you know, they were more local. I mean, the whole idea is like you know, light years away is just it's to most people, it's just so

like mind boggling that he can't even comprehend that. I mean, and I think that's what's you know, so like easy for people to kind of just be like, oh yeah, yeah, that's what it is, just because

they can't prove themselves. They know they can't prove it, and the majority of more majority of people they just kind of offload their you know, research and faith onto somebody else and they just take it as fact and they do none of their own, um that's that's the most frustrating part I think to me about the whole kind of paradigm of people who laugh at the whole flighter stuff is just they don't even even have that ability to have mind and consider

things. Um. And the fact that they don't have any of the information themselves. They're just taking you know, whatever somebody else said, um. And that's that's that's like the biggest problem I think is that most people they don't know, they don't even know their own model. They don't even look into anything else, and they just assume, you know, whatever the higher

ups are saying that that's that's what it is. Yeah, and you made a great point there, and you know, they don't know the numerales or the numbers associated with whether it's how fast we're spinning this, you know, how fast we're chasing the sun, so on and so forth, and but they believe that we have a rover on Mars. And then if you were to ask somebody, well, how far is Mars from us, they'd probably say, oh, you know, one hundred thousand miles or five hundred thousand,

it's according to their numbers, not mine their numbers. It's almost two hundred million miles away. So you're telling me when I'm anytime I drive through the mountains of West Virginia, I lose satellite signal on my whether it's serious radio or my tom Tom or whatever navigation. But we're we're getting these HD images from two hundred million miles away. That's that is like next level cognitive dissonance. Yeah, it really is. I just you know, they've been

nastazed. I mean that really should it's a little fine. Most people, like I can't believe, you know that people really really really wouldn't acid puts out as fact because it's just it's so obvious to see it. It's it's so much easier to pick up on all these you know things, I mean, especially looking way back to the landing stuff. I mean, it's it's just ridiculous. There's no way that somebody, like if somebody will watch that today for the very first time, they would laugh at it. I mean,

yeah, it's just crazy. Even my kids, you know, like we'll watch like old movies. I'll try to show them movies from like the nineties, you know, or from my childhood. Like just they just start laughing when they see like the CGIs was available at the time. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I always ask, when are we going to build a memorial for the guy who stayed behind on the moon and filmed the lunar lander taking off? Right? All right? Oh no, bro, it's

remote control. Okay, sure, whatever you say. Uh, you know, in the seventies we could barely get a signal from Philadelphia to Wilmington, Delaware, which was like thirty miles. But sure, okay, we were having a great conversation with Nixon on a landline and everything else. It's just obviously not a landline from the moon to the White House, but its just all of it. And then one of the biggest just red flags was the emotions of the astronauts in that press conference after they came back. Yeah,

yeah, I remember, I remember seeing it. Actually, I had never seen that footage, um until you know, a couple of years ago. And that was like a big part of it too. That was like, I mean, how could they, you know, just go out there in the public and just you know, spew this lie like that, you know, and it's just so obvious you see it in their faces. And then I mean even even to like you know, most recent times with like buzz

Aldrin and his encounters with people. I mean, it's just it's just all you know, the circus from the government to NASA, it's all it's all the same. Yeah, And like anyway, if if if you catch somebody in a lie once, then you have to you know, hold everything else at least at a minimum under a microscope. One of our listeners, her name is Sarah. She sent me an article from June the ninth, and this was one of those articles where they were able to cover two narratives in

one story. It says NASA's Apollo eleven moon quarantine was hiding a dangerous secret. So the story was about their bravery and they had to be quarantined when they came back from Mars just in case they brought this. There was a deadly you know, pathogen on Mars and it's just an incredible I'm gonna read

it on the next email podcast we do. But I mean, you want to talk about there's some guy deep in CIA headquarters writing this story about how there's a very famous picture I think that the quarantine little tank everyone was called the Hornet three and it has the presidential logo on it. Nixon is laughing. Uh, it's just another ritual. Uh. It's just hilarious the way when you look back, how we bought all these things wholesale. Yeah see,

and I never knew about that. I didn't even know about the Warren team stuff like that. And that just goes to show too that, like, you know, how how long have they've been planning a lot of these agendas. I mean obviously, you know, easy for people they have. They play the long game, I mean, and that's what they I feel like they stir up a lot of fear and people and they have people thinking,

you know, in a scarcity mindset and that fearful mindset. And meanwhile they're just kind of going slow and taking it easy, and the whole course of their plan just kind of plays out over time. I mean, I don't know, And it's just it's weird to think of time from from their perspective, because I mean, for the most part, people are just so caught up in their daily lives they don't think about, you know, that

far down the road. I mean, these these plans that they have in place, they're just you know, they're they're not stupid, but they're not that smart either, No, they're not. And I always point back to that guy I can never remember his name, but the guy who says I'd go back to the moon in a nanosecond if only we hadn't lost that technology. And that is like if you want to talk about your your your silver

bullets. And and again, these things don't necessarily prove flat Earth, but it's certainly discredits an agency who gets you know, billions of dollars every single year to produce you know lies. Yeah, and that's what's crazy to me, is like where does that money go? I mean, I can't remember the guy's name from the next level um or I'm sorry, level with me film that he does the uh what is this like a city council meeting? I guess, oh yeah, yeah, yeah that I've played that before.

That guy spot on I think he's in Florida. Yeah, and he's like, hey, what's our money going? You guys should open investigation, right, I mean like we, I mean, as the public, we should definitely be you know, we got a lot of money coming. I mean, where's all of our tax money going to? I mean I can't imagine how they could possibly spend that much money a day like on what. Yeah, I mean that goes back to the problem we have in all these cities

with the homeless. Well, can we at least start there helping people out a little bit? Yeah, but yeah, yeah, and like the veterans too. I know my dad had a hard time with the VA. And yeah, my dad did too, I mean, and my grandpa too. I mean he was he was also a military guy, and he had issues dealing with the VA. So I mean, there's all kinds of programs that we could be using, you know, for people here instead of like thinking

about some fantasy land out in space. It's just mind blowing to think how they kind of prioritize our money. Yeah. I caught it with an old friend the other day and he asked me, jokingly, said, how did the Iraqi street you? I said, better than the VA kind of dropped his jaw. I didn't quite get it, but I mean that's anyway,

that's I guess another story for another day. How well, you know when you finally accepted flat Earth and did you go kind of like many people, did you go through that range of emotions or was it just kind of a doesn't surprise me. They lie about everything else. Yeah, it was. It was more so like um, it's like I want to say, it was more positive than anything. Just I feel like my life definitely changed for the better from that point on, just because my whole mindset of everything changed.

Just being able to kind of look at the world differently. You definitely kind of appreciate the world a lot more, um like as far as nature and just you know, my life in in you know particular as well, just kind of being more appreciative of things and kind of having feeling like a little bit more purpose, a little more meaning. Um. I mean, obviously they kind of keep you in this that fear of mindset of you know, like worse, we're just an accident and all that, and um,

the whole Big Bang theory and just evolution. I mean it's just ridiculous, and you know, everything begins to make more sense. I mean, obviously there's like different religions all throughout the world, and everybody has their their different pathway in their different road to God in in their own own way. And obviously being you know, America being having more like a Christian based kind of theology. You know, I kind of looked into that a little bit more

just because it was the most familiar um. And you know, it's crazy to me because obviously my wife kind of grew up religious, but you know, it wasn't so much like she was religious as it was just kind of something that was there and her childhood growing up. So if she didn't really look into it a whole lot, just it was just something that was like

her parents like made her go to church on the weekends. But me having looked into it and having researched it and and actually reading the Bible just out of curiosity and you know, like just talking to it, you know, I just you know, obviously we got those like the missionaries that go around and stuff. And I had a conversation with a couple of kids then I was, you know, I just asked them. I was like, you know, have you read the Bible? And they're like, whoa, They're

like not all of it. And I'm just like thinking in my mind, like how are you going around the world, you know and trying to like kind of preach something that you don't even know about. And it was like kind of mind blowing to me, and it kind of it just tripped me out to think, like it's almost like you know, obviously, organized religion has it's kind of benefits, but it's got a lot of weird deception in it too, and that that's what kind of made me, you know,

want to look into things more on my own. I feel like I've always kind of done better, you know, just kind of comprehending things on my own rather than just having somebody tell me something. And yeah, it's just you know, one of those things where like it definitely kind of put things in perspective for me to make me realize that, Yeah, I feel like there is God. Um, I mean obviously it just just by you know, where we live and just how perfect this place is. I mean,

there's no way this is an accident. I mean, yeah, everything is smartly connected and created and there's a rhyme and there's a reason for everything. Even the things that that we're we're kind of led to believe are bad things like nettle. Nettle is such healthy um uh sustenance to put in. Again, I'm not a doctor guy, so make sure research is stuff. But

nettle is very healthy. Dandelions are very healthy, and they want you to believe these things are weeds and they want you to spray with round up and you know, all these products from Monsanto and all the bear these evil companies that and again you look at the cancer rate in our country and all the people who are sick between vaccines, um our food supply that is being poisoned. Um, we're being you know, it's they're they're spraying the air.

It's it's it's an all out um war against us. There's these even some countries right now that are having you know, some of their lowest birthrates. And there's a lot of telling signs right now that these guys are really pushing their you know, the first rule there on the Georgia guidestones is keeping humanity at that number that they're just dying to get down to. It's it's really insane. Yeah. Yeah, they poisoned us at every chance they can get.

I mean, I actually just seen a video recently about the whole McDonald's fries and uh, they I guess the farmers that's it's a specific type of potato because they want to make sure that they're long fries and in order to keep them like all perfect looking on the outside, like, they spray the certain these pesticides on them and the pesticides that they sprang on them are so toxic that the farmers themselves won't even go out to the fields for like I

can't remember how many it's like days or weeks or something. Uh, you know, just until it like kind of dissipates or whatever and it's safe to go back out there. I mean, it's just crazy, like the stuff that they've put in our food, they put in our air, I mean everything. They're just trying to kill us slowly. I mean obviously they don't want to just you know, kill us off immediately. They need us, um you know, the world if they I mean, if the world came

to all a sudden halt, it wouldn't really benefit them. So they're just kind of slowly keeping us down. And then like all the stuff that they you know, bombards with and the air is just you know, it's so obvious, all the kim trails and stuff. I mean, who knows what they're spraying up there. But you know, I've been kind of like,

you know, learning about that stuff too. I had a friend of mine he kept telling me, He's like, you know, we talked about the Kim trails and stuff, and I was I was just kind of dismissed it always like I was like, okay, whatever, that's just whatever's coming out of the back of the airplane as it's moving along, you know. And then I mean you look up there now and like you can see him, like there's like it's not even just a streak. It'll be like it'll be

like criss crossing and like all kinds of crazy patterns and stuff. It's like it's clearly like they're doing something intentionally. You know. Yeah, actual contrails dissipate in a very short period of time. We've you know, we're not far from Dover Air Force Space. We've had some days here where the sky is just you know, they spray and then it spreads like it kind of spreads up very wide. Um you kind of see the sky change colors and

um. Yeah, a huge difference between contrails and chem trails. You know. Back in the fifties, you know, you you could see a plane, you know, it's just like an exhaust pike with a car. But it dissipates very quickly. You know. Some of these things stay up in the sky for quite some time now. Yeah, yeah, And it's crazy because I live not too far off from an airfield, and I mean, I see a lot of air traffic, and you know, I'll look up

and I'll see planes is cruising by, no no contrail at all. And then I'll look up and I'll see another one and is just leaving, you know, this contrail just coming out of it. And then you know, I'll see it there and come back hours later and it's still there and it's just you know, hovering around, just you know, who knows what it is. Yeah, you had mentioned about the you know, the folks,

the missionaries going around there. For folks who's listening, there are um some pretty decent things on YouTube, like you can listen to the King James version Bible and like one year they break it down into three hundred and sixty five readings. And that is a little alarming where you have people that are supposedly going around the world spreading the Gospel and they haven't read the whole Bible.

That that's that is interesting. And I did too. I had, like I'm sure I had like a ton of questions to ask them, uh you know, but at the time I was I was kind of more focused. So I think it was because I had just listened to like an episode of like Josh Monday where he's talking about the creation story and Genesis, and I wanted to ask him about that, and I remember that was like my key

question that I wanted to talk to them about. And the only thing I remember him saying was he goes, well, he don't take it literally. And I was thinking that kind of blew my away, like, you know, you're preaching in the Bible, but you're also telling people that it's just you know, not to take it literally, like you know, is it

real or is it just you know, poems and parables. You know, it's very hard to kind of discern what it is that they're kind of preaching, you know, especially especially like religions, especially like newer ones like the

Mormon religion and other just new adaptations of Christianity. I mean, I guess they all have their their own kind of you know, agendas that they are looking to push, and I mean I think they kind of ties into with like the early America, you know, just the American story of you know, the wild West and everything. It just seems very kind of, you know, far fetched now now that I look at it, like all that stuff like wild West stuff just seems very kind of like out there. That

leads to another question. Have you ever gone down the old mud flood and Tartaria and you know it is our history? Actually, really have you taken a peek down that rabbit hole? Yeah? I have. I'm like, actually, uh, you know that that was actually a big part of that whole six hour long video as well. They touched a lot on that.

But I mean before even before that though, I had, you know, learned about it and just kind of going down that and that was like kind of brought to my mind, um, you know, as far as like how old the world is, like you know, I mean how many how many past you know, ancient civilizations of humans have come and gone and or just kind of been consumed again by the earth and are beneath our feet. You know. I always think about that, you know, just if you

look at like the ancient structures too. I mean, the only ones that really are even standing are like the ones that are made naturally like out of natural materials like stone. I mean, if left like an attendant too, I mean, metals like cars and skyscrapers can deteriorate pretty quick. I mean,

especially on the you know, whole timeline of things. I mean, you know, I could definitely see how like um, you know, you like, let's say, for instance, like a like ancient civilization was more resourceful in a sense of using you know, materials that were like pulled from the earth, let's say, you know, and more like uh like gave degrades by itself. I mean obviously you know things can you know, everything that we have, even even like the new technology and plastics, it's all

originates from an organic matter in a sense. I mean you look at like a like a like a circuit board, I mean, what is it? What is it even made out of? It's made out of you know, metals. I mean the silica the board is made out of. Is what made out of? What? Sand? I guess, right, is that what it is? Yeah, it's more you know, it's just basic you know, not ingredients. But you know things that would like you said,

would a road quickly? Yeah? Yeah, So I mean like these things, I mean I could definitely see how like a civilization could be like there's so far advanced and then something happened and it just completely just be a race from the world. I mean, and we're just kind of left with these little, you know, reminders of what the most most recent one is. I mean, I think the last thing I just remember hearing about was like they shut down the Grand Canyon and they got like, um, Egyptian and

Asian artifacts that have been uncovered there and like an underground city. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff, you know that who knew, who knows what's real and what's not. But I mean I could definitely see something like that. I don't know, it's just it's hard. It's hard to take in a lot of information that I see now, just because I'm a lot more kind of you know, skeptical. But at the same time, nothing

surprises me me. Yeah, And at the same time, I'm glad you mentioned that, because I didn't even realize till I guess fairly recently that there are many parts of the Grand Canyon that you're not allowed to investigate yourself, that are completely off limits to people. Yeah, and I can only imagine why. And I'm sure I had nothing to do with, you know, people's safety, right, it's for our best interest rights, They're just looking

out for us. Yeah, it's always in our best You had mentioned briefly in your in your email, and I did want to kind of touch on it as well. When nine to eleven went down, At what point in your life did you did you take the time to peek into that and how did that change the way you looked at things when you kind of realize that

the official story as usual wasn't exactly as how it went down. UM. And I think I think the first time I kind of heard anything about it as far as being skeptical of it, was probably, you know obviously, like right around when like the war was kind of beginning, UM invasion or Iraq and all that, George Bush, you know, forming his reasons to

go in UM. And at the time too, I actually was I was going to follow the tradition and listen in the military and going to the Marines and uh I. But before I did, I mean, I was already talking to a recruiter than UM my my wife who was my then girlfriend at the time, you know, we started dating and kind of took me down a different path. I mean, who knows what life would have been if

I had gone that way. But it was definitely one of those things where it was at the forefront of my mind of like the whole patriotism and you know, wanting to go and fight and you know, just that American pride of you know, it was it's it's amazing to look at things from you know, in hindsight, uh as far as like the reasoning for things and why you do stuff, and you know, I'm just I'm so grateful that I didn't go down that path, because I remember I have quite a few

friends that did, and you know, they either didn't make it back or they made it back and were totally different. Um. It was just a very kind of bizarre time in the world. I mean, yeah, it was probably right around that time when the war was you know, kicking off, and just seeing like the reasoning and then obviously all the you know,

political stuff going on. I think probably the biggest thing was like hearing my dad and him talking about it, and him having already been in the military for so many years and hearing his take on it and him being, you know, tone me that he was grateful that I didn't go. I mean it was weird too because leading it up for years, he was like all for it, and I was like supportive of me doing that. And then you know, I think it was a combination of both him and my wife

just kind of talked me out of it. But I mean it's not to say that, you know, I don't have anything against the military, have a lot of military friends and you know, a lot of respect. But I mean, I just I couldn't see myself now, I guess being proud of myself for having gone, but yeah, now I completely get it. Me and my my son just had this conversation a couple of weeks ago as

well, because he had actually got to the point where he went. He was at MEPs in Philadelphia, you know, doing the physical and everything, and just changed his you know, like halfway through the day he just said, now, and you know, we had that conversation like we're so grateful that he didn't because, you know, and now we're much wiser, you know, over the last ten years and understand what it's really all about. And of course the people in the middle of terry. Everybody goes in,

you know, with with a good heart. And it's not the soldiers, it's the people at the top. It's the people who control um. It's the manipulators who create you know that they create these emergencies around the world and it's up to the the USA to to just like, I know, the movie was ridiculous, but the Team America, that's exactly how how they like to portray us. Were like the heroes that come in and we save people

by dropping you know, bombs all over them. And uh, I really really, you know, I had had my suspicions, but Livia was really next next level mind opening when you find out, um, how blessed the country was. And I'm not saying the guy was a saint, um Gaddafi um, whether or not he was involved in that bombing in eighty nine, but the they literally had the number one prenatal system in the entire world. Um, when people had babies, they were given off, and they had

an underground river system for you know, irrigating. It was just next level. It's just if you mess with the rothschilds, if you mess with the bankers, it's a game over. We're going to bring democracy and uh, you know we're gonna bring freedom our way. And again it's uh, it's not a knock on the soldiers, sailors, marines. Um. It's a combination of the lies in our history books. Um, you know, the way the stories are written and of course, um, the media is controlled.

Like everybody's seen that video where ninety five percent of the media is controlled by the same entity. And I forget what documentary it was, but they were playing like all the local news from around the country and they're literally saying the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, I have like I have like a ton of friends that have been in the military for for you know, decade or two, and you know, they just their mindset of things now.

I mean obviously they're a lot more conspiratorial too, because they're just they they've seen it for his hand, and you know, they they realized that going in they were kind of naive and young and you know kind of got you know, pushed down this you know way of thinking and kind of control the follow orders and next thing, you know, it's like they're a decade in and they're just seeing all the deception for what it is and just I mean, yeah, like like you're saying, with the Gadaphi and Libya, I

mean they had their own, uh monetary system of like paying with you know, gold and you know, things that were of real value and not actual like paper money. I mean, you know, he I feel like they had kind of figured out and that's that's why, you know, like you

said, they brought democracy. Yeah, and it's not a coincidence that the two guys who kind of came up with hydro engines, Stanley Myers and then the guy who was the security guard at the Buffalo Tops who got killed, you know, both of the guys who kind of invented these engines that could run on water. Um, the mysterious. They just die if you go against uh. And obviously, like if I invented free free energy, like hey, everybody, you just got to put this throught up, and I've

created this thing, I would be gone within three days. George Hobbs was found at the bottom of the lake. He had a boating accidents. And just the way everything is, we're busy working, I mean, everybody would be sad for a couple of days and then life would go on. That's

just the power that these people have. I mean, if they can take out a sitting president and get away with it, everything else is just you know cake, Yeah, I know, it's a you know, I think I can't remember if I've seen it on your page or another one just today or you know, actually, no, I did see it on your page or I heard it on the episode I listened to today, the one with Larry Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and it was the clip of Gerald before

being asked about a woman president. And uh, that was was mind blowing. I couldn't believe that. I mean, I had to go look it up right away, and I was watching the video and I shared it and I was just like, you know, I just can't believe that I had

never heard that before, and it's just very very bizarre. I mean to see if if if that plays out the way he kind of said it that right there is like, you know, everybody needs to pay attention, right, And I don't think it would in my opinion, I'm not sure it would have been so alarming if the little girl had asked the question differently. But she literally says, can you give me advice on how to become a

president? And you would again, you would expect them to say, get into a good college, you know, do four years in the military, because you know that looks good. Things like that. He's no, he just goes into this story and it's like holy call. And again he's at Herbert Hoover's Presidential Library and that guy was a freemason and just and then there's the but one of my friends he actually said he told me he said that, Um, I want to say, the day that Herbert Hoover died was

Kamala Harris's birthday. I'm not, I'm not. Don't quote me on that, but I remember my friend he did tell me that. I can't. I don't know if that's entirely true or not. All right, So we're gonna do this live while we're recording. But m Herbert Hoover, Um, let's see, he died October twentieth, nineteen sixty four. Kamala Harris was born um October twentieth, nineteen sixty four. Holy cow, you can't make

this stuff up. Yeah, that's pretty goodness. Wow. Yeah. I mean when he told me that, I was like, what's like, no way? Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot going on with all this stuff that's just kind of ties in and it's just I mean, I I don't know how people aren't, you know, putting two and two together. Yeah, it's funny that her father has uh. I think he had some ties to Kenya and um, of course there's the whole Obamba thing. But that again, that's a that's a story for another day. That's I have this

list of rabbit holes on my my big whiteboard over here. That's why there's it's crazy. Like if I were to literally put up, you know, a giant quirkboard with all these that's probably what I need to do, because you know, one thing I've learned, anytime you go down a rabbit hole, it's just a matter of time before two or three other conspiracies are interconnected, whether it's you know, individuals or or towns, or it's just insane.

Yeah, it is is weird how it all kind of connects. I mean, it's it's just one of those things where it's like, you know, the fly Earth just ties everything together. I mean, I think what it is because what it does is just it removes veil and allows you to kind of pay closer attention to things, um and just just having that you know, like people, just having people out there doing like what you do.

I mean, it's it's amazing because it just allows you know, so many people who you know don't normally talk about this stuff openly, just to giving them like somewhere to kind of you know, vent two in a way. And I mean, like like people are you and Sean Hibler are like out there, you know, really at the forefront of everything, just kind

of you know, speaking on behalf of everyone that feel this way. And uh, you know, because I mean obviously majority of people, you know, you start talking about this and like you know, to your immediate friends and family, they're gonna be just dismissing it or taking your crazier, call you stupid and stuff. It's only because they're not looking into it themselves, and you know, and it's I used it used to kind of get me

frustrated, I guess when they would say that kind of stuff. But now I kind of, you know, obviously having thought about it for so long, it's kind of gotten me to more of a mindset of like like, Okay, I can understand why they're like speaking the way they are because I thought that same way too, But you know, just kind of leaving them, leaving him on that kind of you know, note it just maybe they'll kind of nudge them to kind of look into it a little bit more,

and then once they start looking into it, then they can kind of come to their own conclusion. Because that seems to be the only way for people to really kind of consider it is you know, they have to do it on their own. I mean, like, what's his name, Sam Triple, He says, like one of the rules of their own and he says, you know, to not give people information that they don't seek. And you know, and I kind of I do that now, or I just

I'll just keep it to myself. I'm not really out there openly, just kind of trying to tell people about it or inform people. But if they asked me, yeah, I'll talk to them about it. Yeah. In some cases, I've learned you can even drive them even further away. That's you hit the nail right on the head. People have to be willing to be receptive that those who aren't, I just I'll leave them again just a

crom I'll say something like we mentioned earlier. You know, it's funny that, you know, Mars is two hundred million miles away, but you know we could barely get a TV signal from you know, just small things like that, just to you know, a little huh. And eventually, maybe in the next week or two down the road, they'll see something that'll kind

of spark that seed that you planted. And again, just to give them enough to say, maybe I should check it out, because at the end of the day, it's up to them to be able to accept it and go down the rabbit holes and which is you know, people are busy. There's some people work ten, twelve, fourteen hours a day and they just want to come home and you know, eat dinner and crack a beer and it's time to go back. You know. The rat race is a huge

job stickle for the truth community. Would you agree with that? Oh? Yeah, absolutely. I mean just just keeping people as busy as possible at all times. I mean, that's that's ideal for them to kind of you know, not allow people to think and pay attention and consider anything other than just surviving. Absolutely. Um, we have, you know, five or ten minutes left. I wanted to ask you. Have you looked into the other things like, um, the flight paths and things of that nature on

flat Earth? Yeah? Yeah, I did. I actually, Um, like, for instance, like the one Dave Weiss talked about that book, I kind of briefly looked into that one, but just hearing them talking about it, like just I mean the distances and like the points of origin, like between Ian it's just it's just crazy to to look at the map, you know that we're presented, and you know, the look at these ridiculous paths that they try to say that we take. I mean, there's no

reason to be zig zagging around like that. And you know, and people will try to come up with the reasons of like, oh, they need to stay stay near land, and uh, you know this and that is just you know, so you're telling me that they're gonna go twice the distance just to stay close to land. I mean, considering how you know precise there you know, flights. I mean, there's very few you know, malfunctions that they have with planes, you know, on the grand scale of

things, to to even like have that as like a worry. I mean, you know, they they're pretty spot on of taking off and landing at locations. I mean, to be worried that something may happen where they have to stay close to land. You're gonna crashing into the land. Is gonna be safe for them crashing in the water or what are they saying exactly? And listen, they fly to Hawaii every day, they fly to Japan every day, They fly to Korea every day, they fly to Australia every day.

So there's just tons and tons of instances where they're flying over water for for countless hours at a time. So that just simply doesn't hold up. And secondly, you know, these airlines are businesses. They cut nickels. You know, I remember back in the day in the eighties when I flew man you got these meals you got sometimes you got booze free, and now you're lucky if you get a cracker and a half of soda. These people would not, especially when you look how much the fuel has increased over the

last few years. They would certainly take the most direct route period, end of story. And these people don't they care more about their money than their employees. I guarantee you that, Yeah, absolutely. I mean they just pack people into these planes like sardines and just you know, I mean row after row of like you know, you know, seats. They're definitely trying

to maximize, you know, every dollar that they can. I mean, I just can't imagine that they would want to quadruple their you know, mileage just to just to equate for the distances. Yeah, that's right, because listen, every flight hour they accumulate, you know, every so often when they hit certain numbers in flight hours, they have maintenance they have to do.

So if they're accumulating more maintenance or you know, more flight hours intentionally that means more crew rest, that means they have to hire a more crew, that means more maintenance. It's just that doesn't pass the sniff test for me. Yeah, and you know, for how many videos and coming out to where the pilots are, you know, answering questions about the whole what

they think about the earth and everything. And I mean I think probably one of the one might go to um like for us that I have a friend who he jumps or he used to jump out of airplanes for the military, and he was saying that he would see the curvature from the airplane and I asked him what altitude was, and he said it was right around like thirty four thousand feet And I'm like, well, that's like, you know, pretty average with the commercial airlines and uh, you know, even Neil the

you know, the Grass Heights and said in front of an audience, he said that even at you know, one hundred and twenty thousand feet or whatever the Red Bull space jump was, he still couldn't see the curve from that height yet. I mean, if that's not like just you know, concrete enough evidence for people to you know, disprove the whole curvature thing, I mean, I don't know what else is they just contradict themselves lesson right,

yep, yeah, they most certainly do. Um. What was there anything that we haven't excuse me, touched on yet that you wanted to bring up? Um? I mean no, not really, I just I mean, if anything, I think it would just be kind of cool to see more, um movies with that kind of sci fi kind of you know, depiction of outer worlds or outer realms instead of space. Yeah. You know what's funny. One of the listeners brought to my attention, excuse me, um,

a movie called what was it called Free Guy? I think it was called and Um. We had some credits on our our prime video. So I was like, well, this guy, uh, this gentleman asked me to check it out. So I finally watched it last night, and uh, I guess the last ten or fifteen minutes. Uh, you could kind of say that they were kind of saying, did you have you seen that movie? I did? I did see it. Yeah, I know exactly what we're talking about at the end where they kind of created that world.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's you know, there's a lot of stuff out there. I mean, you know the Truman Show obviously, that was like one of the original ones that I can think of. Um, but yeah, they definitely have depicted it in plenty of movies. But I mean just like a full on kind of you know, like get in a aircraft and just traverse, you know, out past the Artica. I think that would be probably one of the coolest, you know, visual effect type of movies that they could do. Yeah, for sure,

the conspiracy Theorist would fill up the movie theater, that's for sure. Yeah. And you know, if you look at a flat Earth map, what's to say that there aren't other land masses within our own lake, Because if you see how much water is out there in the Pacific Ocean, they could very well have land that we don't know of that is not mapped out. Absolutely, I mean, and even with like the whole New seven thousand Islands in Japan, I mean, I mean it's very very obvious that you know,

they could easily easily hide more land more continents. Who knows what I mean and like and I just recently did seem like a depiction of a map where the basically like the ice wall that they kind of depict was in the shape of Antarctica. So they're kind of using that almost like as like a you know, putting that right in her face of like just the outline of Antarctica being with the outline around you know, our world looks like. But I mean, who knows, well, well, we'll know eventually. I'm

sure these things will be coming out more and more. Yeah, I agree, and I'm hope whether it's you know, in this life or looking down from heaven, I can't wait to actually, you know, find the truth. And I think that the truth community is growing every single day. I think, like we talked about earlier, part of it is because they did overplay their hands, and you know from COVID and a lot of people are seeing the evil that we see every single day. And listen, I just

want to thank you. You've been a tremendous guest with your viewpoints and your upbringing and it's just been very enlightening. Now I have another movie to watch, The baron One Chasing Will check that out. I'll make sure I'll put the links in the show description, but I certainly do want to give you

the opportunity for the last word. Oh yeah. I think probably the only real thing that I wanted to kind of say was in regards to like the whole creation story and where it basically said God said too, he created the earth and said to go forth and replenish. And that word stuck with me, the word replenish because this that prefix of re I mean, that's kind of in my mind that stands for to do something again. I mean I think I had it. Let see, I had written it, I write

it down, I screenshot it a conversation with a friend of mine. I mean, how can they replenish the earth if you know, the whole Christian understanding is that he's creating it for the first time. And I believe that's like the reset or the rebirth, the restart. You know, every day, you know, of our lives, we see this pattern and cycle night and day, the sun in the moon, I mean, yearly, we see the cycle of life and death, you know, and I rebirth through

the seasons, I mean, with the fall and spring. I mean we're kind of reminded of reincarnation, you know, constantly in a sense if you really think about it. And I think that, you know, the Bible is like maybe a book about reincarnation, but I mean that's just that's just my opinion. Well, it's certainly being about born again, and it's it's a great thing you said there, because every day we wake up, we have a new opportunity to make a difference in other people's lives and to make

ourselves a little bit better. And it's just been a tremendous ninety minutes with you, and I appreciate it, and I hope we cross paths again, and God bless you and your family, and just been a great time spent with you today, sir. Yeah, thank you too. Yeah, And I'll reach out to you. I follow you on Instagram, so I've sent you some things here in there and we've had we've had a couple of conversations

on there. But yeah, I'll definitely be checking out your website and all that stuff too, because I know I've been kind of missing out on that. I know you've got like a lot of people on there that kind of converse on there, So I'll be checking that out. Awesome. Yeah, definitely do drop by share your thoughts and to all the listeners too. You

can stop by the forum if you have any questions about flat Earth. You can leave them there and then a lot of people will you know, you'll get a lot of different opinions, or you can simply I try to stop by the chat room at least twice a week just to drop in and say hello to everybody. It's a it's a wonderful community. Every single person I've interviewed has just been tremendous, a good hearted people, and this is really a wonderful community. And I just want to thank you Adrian and all the

listeners for helping this be a continued success. For Adrian, I'm George. I hope everybody has a great week. God bless you, and until next time, keep your head on a swivel and we will see you.