Episode 54: Flat Earth Conversation with Claud

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four months in the making, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, just about the first thing I sent to you is just an audio recording with some questions, and I've listened to a few episodes and had just a few of them answered. But there's still a few going on there. Yeah, And the beautiful thing about this is we keep an open mind and a lot of the things that are out there, there's a lot of big questions out there. We're never going to know the answers. A lot of this is based on

faith. A lot of the we'll call it biblical cosmology is what I base my beliefs on. I do know that this government lies at nauseum. So I'm kind of that guy who's has that spouse that you know, once you cross that threshold with so many lies, I'm not going to believe in no matter what you say. Said that to me is one of the big flags. But before we get into any of this, let's please take some time and introduce yourself to the audience. Oh okay, for sure, my name's

Claude. I come from a small family of about sixteen sols Romanian second generation, So yeah, I like to drop that little one liner. Anyway, I grew up in Missouri for first thirteen years of my life, then moved to Nampa, Idaho, then moved up to Spokane, Washington after I got married to my wife at eighteen in California. So we're kind of like the traveling gypsies. It's really fun. We're just not the kind that steal your

kids. But what we do here is I'm a plumber. My wife is a stay at home mom, and I kind of like it that way. I like having that single income, being that breadwinner, having some sort of a traditional value, and it's hard work, it's hard to do, but it speaks to the character of the family that I'm a part of right now. Everyone else is roughly the same, where you have this mindset where the

husband is the breadwinner, the wife is a stay at home mom. We're all Bible believing Christians, so it's a good it's a good environment to be around to nurture biblical thought and skepticism towards the government. It's kind of the Thanksgiving table talk is that specifically, and that's how the flat Earth actually came into my radar was because my brother in law brought it up, and I decided to seek first to understand and then to be understood, and I went

down that rabbit hole. That's awesome, and it's so interesting because literally the last gentleman I just interviewed, it's from Missouri and very much a lot of the traditions as you just mentioned. And it's great to hear that a lot of people are going back to that traditional family because I do think it's very important for, you know, the children to have the mother there. And let me ask you this, since it's kind of on my radar right now,

what are your plans for educating your children? Oh? My plans are homeschooling. I was homeschooled, but but I have a six year old and a four year old, so and I'm only twenty six, so I started very young. Okay, but I have a six year old and a four year old, and the six year old is already in kindergarten, he's finished up his first year. My wife is already understanding that because I've been pushing her since before we even had kids. We should homeschool. We should definitely

homeschool. But then again, it is mostly on her shoulder since I worked long hours, so it's a hard sell to someone who grew up in the school system, which is what she did. So the idea is, let's let's get these kids homeschool. I know what the school system is like, I know what homeschooling is like, and I know homeschooling is much better in

my opinion, although you know, biases creep in either way. Hopefully, soon enough she'll see enough of these terrible happenings in the school system that she'll just decide to just throw her hands in air and say, let's do this. Let's home school. That's awesome. Yeah, that is. I saw some statistics prior to COVID. I want to say the homeschool rate was somewhere around two percent post COVID, including the twenty twenty two school year into twenty

twenty three. And we're not talking about people who just go to a public school and they're zooming at home because they have some kind of weird exemption. This is legitimately people who have set up homeschool accounts with their state. Is exceeding eight percent right now. And I do know that one of the barriers that people encounter is that different states have different regulations with education. Now, for me here in Delaware, the only requirement I have is between June first

in July fifteenth, I have to give them my attendance. That's it. I just say how many days my daughter attended school. That's it. They don't poke there for a blue state, they don't poke their nose anyway or anywhere in our education. Now, you said you're currently in Washington. Yeah, the rules are a little rougher here. I haven't gone through all of them, but it's pretty rough. It's not that it's not that at all.

You have to petition a state for a reason why you should take care and educate your own child, and the petition has to be accepted by a committee of people as far as I understand it so far. So it's it's it's uphill battle, but I'm willing to make it. Yeah, And that's really sad because when you really think, if you believe in our history, you know one of the reasons was freedom of religion. We wanted to educate

our own children. And I think this came up in one of our recent episodes that molding the minds of our children is one of the most important things we do as an adult. And you know, as I've gotten older, realizing handing our children over to the state for ten hours a day may not be the greatest decision in the world. And again I'm not I'm not judging people. I sent some of my children to public schools. I'm not judging. It's just as I've gotten an older and little wiser and I do have

you know, that time on my hands as well. I think it does outweigh especially the current state of our education system. Oh for sure, there's what was the phrase, you send your kids to Rome and wonder why they come back Roman. It's the same thing, right, it is what it is. I've had the best of both worlds in multiple categories, in the homeschooling in public school and the Baptist and Pentecostal upbringing in the Romanian and American

cultures. I've had most of this, and I can pick and choose and see the problems with most of these systems and just find that straight line down in the middle. Where when I was in homeschooling, we had the entire day to do everything we possibly could, as far as gardening as far as education field trips, and our field trips were three day vacations to California, so it wasn't just a standard field trip. But we had all that and

then we had time to actually learn correct curriculum. It wasn't the common poor that that came out during what was that That was during Obama's reign. Very young, so I'm not sure, okay, perfect, so we didn't have any of that. It was I grew up reading encyclopedias. We didn't have internet, even though it was commonly available. We were rural, so it was it was a more I guess you can say roughnecked education system. It wasn't as easy as using shot GPT nowadays. But but there's something to that.

And I remember back in the eighties. Obviously we didn't haven't earn it back then, but we were reading off encyclopedias and I was doing my reports off our encyclopedias were from the sixties. I don't think man landon air quotes on the moon yet, but with the encyclopedias, I was doing my book reports, not my book reports, but you know, all my studies on that's how we we that's we either went to the library, or you had

your families, you know, Encyclopedia Britannica from whatever year. You know, those things were like fifteen hundred bucks, and a lot of families didn't have that kind of money to spend on the updated, new you know encyclopedias.

So and again you have to ask the question. And I've been shocked through all my years of doing you know, the fact hunter when you find out that Robert Maxwell gives Lane Maxwell's father and Leon Black, who is with the CEO of Apollo Management, who gave Epstein like one hundred and fifty million dollars in air quotes tax guidance for you know, he was given him tax information. These guys own McGraw hill Books, which is one of the largest,

you know, book suppliers to our to our school systems in America. So what's really going on? And McGraw hill is based out of Texas, if I'm not wrong, that's I think they're based in three cities. I want to say in New York. I don't know if it's Austin or Dallas. And then I want to say maybe San fran or something like that. Okay, it makes sense to diversify, but Okay, I didn't know that they

controlled that it was part of Gislaine Maxwell's dad's operation. That's crazy. Yeah, it's you see the people who control our history books, and you wonder how the stories come out. Like you know, I did an episode on World War Two and you look at the numbers. We lost seventy million was it seventy million? And the Axis lost twenty million, and all the things and paper clip It's just we're not getting the story straight at all. We're getting a lot of lies truly sprinkled in right. Well, for yes,

yes, I can't agree more with that statement. And this is where this is where I'd like to segue a little bit into these flat Earth questions just a bit, because there's definitely other topics we can go on, yeah, for sure, other than that. But before we do that, because I knew you have questions, but can you expand a little bit more on your

flat Earth journey? And I know you mentioned your brother in law, but I mean, have you gotten to the point yet when you realize that it's yet it's probably more of a flat or a biblical cosmology or geocentric than a spinning ball hurtling through space. Yeah, for sure. So what was this. This was back when I can't remember the exact year. I think this is during Trump's first term, when he first got elected. There was NBA

playoffs were going on, and I can't remember who it was. I think it was the Celtics and the Lakers, I think, But Kyrie Irving was in the news because he was touting that the Earth is flat and everyone was throwing him under the bus and just terrorizing him for his views. And it was one of those things. It didn't hit me out, oh, he's an idiot, And it didn't hit me as there might be something too this. It was just an off the wall statement to me at that point.

But then I had a job at that point doing delivery driving for Amazon, and it was the on track service that they had. Now they have their own delivery vehicles and they're phasing out on Track. But during that time I had the opportunity to either listen to music and pump myself up during the fifteen hour shifts that I was driving, or listen to podcasts and preachings sermons.

So I downloaded sermon audio and went just ham on every sermon I could listen to on every topic under the sun that I could listen to on everything biblically. So one of those topics, there was a preacher by the name of Jason Cooley. He's a man without using the phrase that's overused by media, but he is a little bit wild and out and a little bit extreme in some of his messages, but a lot of the things that he says are

biblical. It's his presentation style is a little rough, so I wouldn't recommend him, but I wouldn't say he's wrong anyway. One of his messages was on the geocentric Earth and how that is the Biblical view of the Earth and how heliocentrism was a lie. And then there was another guy. His name

is Nate Marino. He has a YouTube channel. He's very educated, does a lot of studies, and he went into topics that were a lot more I guess Truther movement, like how Santa Claus is fake and how the Eulogue is fake and something we shouldn't be doing as Christians, and the Christmas Tree is a pagan symbol and always has been. And it's these things that you never really think too much about. It's just day to day life. You have a Tree, there's Santa Claus. It's just marketing, but you don't

realize that there's actually deeper spirits working behind it, right. Well, Well, then I got into another preacher. His name is Mike Haggard. He's out of Missouri and he's the one that out of Festus. He's got a church named Bethel and one of the better preachers. He's not too harsh in his messages unless he feels the need to be. Preaches against Freemasonry, but he does have a view against flat earth that is a little rude in my

opinion. But then again, he's coming at it from a different standpoint. I try to be nuanced in my reviews of people and how they speak. But his view is that a lot of the flat earthers that speak about it on YouTube and just in general, and they come at it from a biblical standpoint, will say that if you don't believe the flat earth model, then

you can't be saved, because that's part of what the Bible teaches. Even though it doesn't necessarily teach flat earth, based on what I've read, it does preach without a doubt geocentrism, and there's plenty of verses that say that sure, and the flat Earth. Yes, there's plenty of verses that you can read that. There's one that I told my brother in law about it. I think it's Hebrews six eleven. I think I'll have to look it up again, but it talks about No, it wasn't Hebrews. I think

it was Ezekiel. Either way, a guy was having a vision. One of the profits in the Bible is having a vision, and he saw a plumb line from Heaven coming down to Jerusalem. And anyone who's in who's in the trades, knows what a plumb line is used for. It's to find the center point of a specific object. It's find an angle from a set point. You have to have two stationary points to find a center point.

So if you can't if they're just spinning in any regard, whether it's flying through space or whether it's stationary and spinning, you can't use a plumb line effectively. That's right. So, especially if it's on an axis as well, right, because is to go straight up and down exactly. Yes, So you start to think where exactly does how would I put this question?

Where exactly does the geocentric and flat earth meet specifically, and it meets in the fact that both of them are stationary, and one of them makes more sense to the observing eye, which is the flat earth and the geocentric glow birth model still can work biblically, but it doesn't really change much. And I'll say it for this reason. This is where my mindset is at. And it's not like it can't be changed because I try and look at things

nuanced. But if you've been, if we all have been living with the understanding that the Earth has been, that the Earth is round, and there is so called science and math to prove it. Even though we can get into that right after this, what changes once you start seeing the Earth is flat just your perspective and the fact that you've been lied to because everything else still works the way it's been working. We need new explanations for things,

for sure. You need new math, new science to make it make sense on a flat plane, which wouldn't be that hard to do as long as you have a perspective shift, because that's all you really need to do anything once we anyway, that's the point. Reo centrism is much better, a much better protected argument using scripture than flatter Earth doesn't mean flatter Earth isn't.

It's just there's a few things that you have to assume when you're reading flattered state versus at least the ones that I've read, and I could have not read them all. And that's kind of why I'm hoping. That's that's why I wanted to come on your show in the first place. There's a lot of things that I don't know that I want the audience to tell me. Yeah, for sure, and even all the flat Earthers, whether it's David Weiss or Ekdubay or myself, that not everybody says this is like one set

thing. Um. There's people who are more apt to choose certain maps of like a glease and over another. Eric Dubay just did a YouTube video where he didn't seem convinced that there was even a firmament. So I mean that's that that's a kind of a red flat for a lot of people who come from biblical cosmology, because the firmament is how else when God separated the waters, what's holding the waters apart? Right? And that is the biggest thing

to me, And I realized that God's not in some alternate dimension. He's literally right above us, looking down from the heavens above. Um. So there's going to be some different arguments within not arguments, um, just different you know, different points of view on biblical cosmology or the flat earth or you know, there's so many words that you can use to describe what we believe in. But what we all do agree on is, once again,

is what we're presented on. This ball that's spinning, hurtling through space, four and a half billion years old, that was created by an explosion.

We know that is just silly. Yeah, that that is. And I'm sure you went over this already, but the initial idea of the Big Bang was proposed by a Catholic priest I can't remember his name, Jacques something or Jean something, I can't remember for sure, Probably another Jesuit, right, I wouldn't doubt it's in the Catholic Church and he's had some authority I can't. I can't say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me, and forgive me. I was trying to catch up with all the different pastors you were

talking about. The last one you mentioned who said was giving flat earth, there's a hard time. What was his name, Mike Hoggard and how do you spell his last name? Mike U hogg A r D. He runs a church called Bethel Church. He's on YouTube under Michael Hoggard. M I H. I think it's a el. Yeah. He's a decent dude. He's got a lot of good things going for him. He does preach. Uh. He's got what's called pastor Mike online. It's a very good series.

He finds the number thirty three and everything, so it's the number there. He points out, how here's another thing when when certain things happen in the news, like what was it? There was the miners that were trapped in Chile when they were trapped underground, thirty three of them. He pointed that out, and he says, the way that he breaks it down is that there's spirits that will leave their signature in certain happenings in the Earth,

and that signature is usually signified by the number thirty three. I have no reason to disagree currently. It makes nothing but sense, especially with it the capsule that brought them out being called the dragon. Is that right? I didn't remember that. I believe it was. I had heard this message back in twenty eighteen, so it's been a little while and my memory isn't as

good as it should be. He but I'm pretty sure it was called the Dragon, the capsule that brought them up unless it was a company something of that nature, and everyone was told to wear a T shirt that had that logo of the company on it once they came up out of the pit which they were in. So it's kind of just foreshadowing, you know, the

Antichrist coming up out of the pit. So it's kind of one of these, uh, I don't know what to say about all this wow, And you know what, there were three I'm looking at it in real time here kind of buzzing through. But they were you can't make this up, three separate drilling rig teams. One of them was NASA. Hey there you go. Oh connects every time, and then there's your thirty three and man,

you can't make this stuff up. I had no idea. I had just kind of come across that story again in the in the Land US a month or two, but I hadn't gone that far down to the Dragon. Just another mockery of us, for sure, um oh for sure, yeah, yeah great? From what was it like? And then I went let's get into flat earth. But what was it like to grow up with with? Did you say sixteen siblings? Yeah? Yeah, well it might be.

I don't keep track of the number we had. My sister passed away from brain cancer when she was six, and that's when I was eight, and then my brother passed away when I got married back in twenty eighteen, I believe, And from there my mom had a few other children, and my youngest sister is just as old as my son, so it I believe it was sixteen. Oh wow, it's like it's like growing up in a in a large group of friends, you know, like some I'll tell you this.

I don't know if I should be ashamed of this, but I did it for science. I'll say it that way. M one of my brothers. I just thought to myself, I had a thought occurred to me one day. What would happen if you just avoided one of your brothers for a year, for a solid year. Would they notice? How would they change? Would you realize a difference? How would it? What would happen? So I did it to one of my brothers, and I just completely avoided

him at all costs. Anytime he would show up in the room. I would move to another room and it was kind of heartless, but I did it just to see what would happen. And come to find out, he noticed. He told me this because I told him this. What was it? A couple months ago? I asked him if he noticed that I was avoiding him, and he says, dude, I don't know what happened, but it felt like you hated me. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry I did. But it turns out he's one of the most

talented artistic people you've ever met in your life. He's he does graphic design, he does music. He's on Spotify almost he's on SoundCloud. His names Caleb Karaji if you want to look up his music. He's talented beyond all measure. And I guess that's all you have to do is avoid someone and they turn into an artist. That's incredible. Well, God said something,

So let's let's get into the flat Earth. If I were to tell you or ask you, what are the three the biggest piece of evidence to you that leads you to believe that the Earth is we'll just use the term flat for now. Well, yeah, I can get on board with that. With just calling it flat because I'm agnostic to either viewpoint, because like I said, it doesn't really change how I live my daily life. But the one thing that leads me to believe that is just how how far you can

see on the horizon line. The fact that we can't actually map with any technology nowadays three points of a triangle and getting it to be over ninety degrees, like the theory is. The theory is that on a flat plane, three points of a triangle will equal ninety degrees. Every time I think it was it's ninety, right or one hundred and twenty might weigh off my numbers, No, I think not. I think you're right. I think it's ninety. My math is terrible. I was terrible in high school with math.

But either way, on a circular, on a sphere, you're going to get more than ninety degrees because the angles shift to reach the other direction. And we have never been able to make that, uh calculation. There's no real test that has been able to make that calculation without any computerized intervention, which as soon as you get into computerized intervention, code assumes a lot. When you're putting in to code into computer code I've dabbled into computer code

a little bit. When you program something in the computer to run something, you have to put in some preconceived ideas to get your desired outcome to make it work. So as far as GPS, we'll say it that way. What GPS triggonometry was, as far as I understand it invented so that way

we could map out a three dimensional plane. Right, Well, if it's not three dimensional, but you can assume that the math would work on a three dimensional plane and then just plot certain points on a three dimensional plane. You can set up an infinite number of triangles to make the GPS system work. So this is where in my mind the math just needs to be changed. Math can work. It's a language. Can't remember the name of the guests you had on. It was one of these guests that you had on.

One of the preachers. I think his name was Rudolph A. Ralph Oh, I can't remember either way. He was talking about how math is the universal language, and it is and for that reason, when NASA supposedly sent up a shuttle into space, they put a record of Elvis, a gold solid gold play to record that Elvis had so alien life could hear music. They put a diagram of a human being male and female, and they put the mathematical location of Earth in the Solar system on the satellite that went

out into space. Is the lore behind this? Now, to put the location of Earth on this would assume that it's stationary, because if it's flying through space, how would you find it? So there's that problem. But my point with this is if you have math as a universal language, and math can be a language, because that's what we're calling it, right, well, if you can use language to enforce an idea, well you can also use language to manipulate somebody to believe a certain way because you can speak

that language better than the person receiving it. So it's just like someone using big, high falutin college words, like Jordan Peterson, who does dumb it down a bit, but he does use these high falutin words, and it's something that's okay, I understand what you're saying, because I have a little bit of a better vernacular than even my brothers and sisters. But then someone is simple minded, and not to use that into derogatory sense, but a

simple mind it is simple in language. As a youth pastor would use simple language that everyone can understand. Well, the person using the high flutin words is on a different plane. And if you don't understand everything he said, he can manipulate any which way the conversation or the topic. It's the same with math. If you have someone who understands math better and says, this equation proves the Earth is round because of these multiple equations that run into god

knows where. Well, if you don't understand it, you can't tear it down. You can't say well he must be wrong. You can't you can't refute the math. But if all you have is a manipulation of the facts by using math, because math is just what was it? Well? Who said this? I think this is where our rule. Who said this that math is just a way to verify if something can be true? Right, It doesn't mean that it is. It should be something that supports the theory,

not be the theory. Because Tesla warned us years ago that math was replacing science, they would backwards engineer this, this math to get to the answers that they wanted and say, see the math adds up. Hey, I didn't hear that one. That's a good quote. I like that. I'm going to start using that in my arguments. That's good. Everyone respects Nicola Tesla, so I gotta start using that. That's great. Yeah he was. That's a whole other episode within itself. Not to jump ship,

and I'm not. I promise I'm gonna jump right back. But everything you just described, does that not correlate to what we've seen in the last three years. Well, the guy in the lab coat says it's good for us, so we better roll up our sleeve. There you go. There's that manipulation of not that's a manipulation of your emotions right there, your language and your emotions. Just hey, this guy. Trust him. He's the one who knows more than you. You need to trust this guy. Ye Ah.

Yeah, it's frustrating. COVID is a whole nother problem, and that is something that I refuse to let people forget about. Oh and no one's forgetting about it here in this family. I tell you, we're all. We're all. We got that that eye, that open eye just all away staring at the government. What are you going to do next? We know what happened, we remember, Yeah, the gentleman, I just interviewed before you, which will drop when tomorrow night at a pm. He stood strong

in his conviction. He lost a very good paying job. And again it was a weird thing. And I think anybody who held these what did they call it? When you would have to type up this paper your religious exemption? And I've tried to hold so many corporations feet to the fire. Who was on the board, what was their religious background? How did they work?

And nobody would answer these questions. Oh my goodness, that's that kind of pissed me off a little bit that you have to petition and say, I do truly believe that this is that my religion says this, when that should be your own personal Why does that have to come into play at all in this decision making? And you know, flat earth, pardon me, flat earth and everything else aside. If you do not have physical autonomy, you don't have anything. Everything else goes right out the window. Agreed,

Yes, agreed wholeheartedly. So there you go. All right, let's let's jump back on the flatter What things that are you curious about that we need to further hunt down or get to the bottom of, for lack of better words. Yeah, So to round out the last point. It was just that the observation seeing farther than we can see and seeing that over the horizon, we can see way too much when it's supposed to dip down. And there's plenty of good calculators online. I can tell you how it's far it's

supposed to dip down, and we can still see past that point. That's that one, but that's a huge one, and I'm planning on doing this test with my brother in law this year. I'm hoping that i could get enough money saved up, which it's not too much, but you know, single income family. Either way, I want to go down to Salt Lake City, Utah, go to the flats and then test it out, see how far we can see with a telescope or binoculars or some camera or something,

and see if we can see pass what we're supposed to see. If we can, well, then that's just more evidence in the bag. That's a great place to do it, one of the better ones, because on a ship it's just it rocks a little too much to see past the horizons. I'd like to use this all flats, but either way, one thing that gets me questioning flat Earth as a shape of the Earth. Like, I'm all for geocentrism. I've been on that train since twenty eighteen. That's

not a problem to me. But as far as flat Earth, there's the idea that the Bible supports it because it talks about the Sun moving, and yes, it talks about that all the time. There's just in the Old Testament alone, I think thirty six occurrences of the Sun moving either going up or going down. And that's the key word there. It says going up and going down. Now in any of the flat earth models. And this

isn't something that I'm holding anyone's feet to the fire for. I'm just trying to understand if we can get that system that we can actually use and say this works biblically for flat earth and by every measure, because biblically already geocentrism works, and flat works because of the pillars that are holding up the Earth

and plenty of other things. But as far as the Sun and moon, how does the Sun move up and down in the flat earth model, when every model I see it's just moving in a circular motion over the plane of the Earth. That doesn't jive with the interpretation that is in the word well it, you know, very early in Genesis, it mentions that he actually places God actually places the Moon within the firmament, and the firmament kind of does go you know, up and down in a you know, let's just

look at it if we would, as a snow globe. And I do think it moves circular and up and down within the firmament. So I do think it has the ability to go up and to go down at the same time. It can also circle away and seem like it's disappearing as well. And I also believe that the Sun is its own energy, and I believe the Moon is its own energy as well. I don't believe it's an old, dusty ball that reflects the sunlight. Yeah, neither do I. That's

there's that another thing. When the first moon landing happened, the idea is that the Moon has either no atmosphere or such a little atmosphere that you can't move out there. Okay, all good and fine, we'll go with that. We'll believe that for a moment, well, with no atmosphere, all the radiation from the Sun is hitting the surface of the Moon. For let's say millions and billions of years since the Big Bang will continue this level of

thought here. Well, then if that's the case, they're supposed to be miles of dust that the astronauts would have fell through a right, and this was a big fear for NASA. That's right. And you know what the other big thing that you know that people I don't think about enough and I don't even know if I've mentioned it, so that the Earth is between twenty four thousand, twenty five thousand miles around and the Moon is I want to say, it's like sixty one miles around according to them, So it's about

a quarter of the size of the Earth. So why does the Earth look the same size in the photos that NASA took as the Moon and the same in reverse? We shouldn't that the Earth look just like this monstrous, huge ball being photographed from the moon. Oh that is something. See I heard you say something just like this and I couldn't put it into words. I was having an argument with a globalist at Bible Camp just a week ago, and I couldn't tell him what that argument was. That's perfect. I'm going

to tell him to listen to so you can hear it. That's great, that's great. It should it should, just like you know how sometimes the sun looks like this. Every once in a while we get that what is it the whatever the sun is where it just looks like this giant blood orange in the sky. The earth, she looks just so huge from from the moon, and it looked just like the same size of us looking at the moon tonight. Mm. Yeah, I need to I need to look at

that initial well, you know, I don't need to. I already in my mind I can see the photo that you're talking about. Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all if we're talking about size of things. There's no, it doesn't it doesn't make sense. It's the lens. No, it's the lens. I'm sorry, George, You're wrong. It's the lens they use. That's right. That the lens from nineteen sixty eight just made everything look smaller. It was just miniaturization come on time, and we would do

it again, but we lost that technology, that tiny lens technology. Yes, oh man, you can't make this stuff up. My goodness, grip No, no, no, well go ahead, sorry, no, you're you're you're totally fine. I like these I like the conversation. I like going off track a little bit. It's just fine to me. There was that question was how does that work? And you're going back to Genesis. So with the timeline of how old the earth is, we're going to go

biblical with this. And this is why I brought up the idea of the sun going up and going down. Well, with the timeline, there's these uh biblical creationist scientists whatever, I can't remember the exact phrase for what they call themselves, but they're the ones that say, well, the Big Bang could have happened by God's will and then billion the years that's how God did it. No, because of this, well there were six days of creation, Well, each day could have been a millennial. Well, I'm sorry.

Reread Genesis and see that it says the morning and evening were the first day, the morning and evening were the second day. It is by day. So we can't we can't just pervert the scripture just to fit our narrative that was given to us because we were raised to believe this. No one believed this for thousands of years. But now because we're educated in some way, because we have iPhones, we're better than everyone else. I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense, doesn't drive Yeah, but then you go ahead.

I was just going to say, for those listening at home, Genesis one thirteen and the evening and the morning with the third day, so that it does mention in several verses talking and making it not a millennial, not one hundred years one day. Yeah. So that's the biggest argument that I have against other people who try and bring that up, and there's been quite a few which I thought this was kind of not disputed. I thought that it

was just general knowledge that it was in days. Whether we want to make an argument for young Earth or millions of years or if it doesn't matter. I thought that some Christians would suspend belief if they were going to believe in science and just say, well, we don't believe that, but they're trying

to make it make sense when the verses clearly state the opposite. But to go in that same vein if we're going to take the literal interpretation of scripture, and I want to preface this real quick, so I'm going to come back to the morning and evening, So I'm just putting a mental note here.

If we're going to take the literal interpretation of scripture. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, is profitable for reproof, for doctrine and exhortation, cool every single bit of it. That means even the things you disagree with. That means that there are certain pet verses that you can look at and say, well, maybe they didn't interpret this the right way. And that is something I hear way too often, way too many creatures, and

I tune out whenever I hear that because of this reason. If you discredit any verse of the Bible, if you discredit any of them and say, well, it's a mistranslation, it's a poor translation, it's something that could have been translated better, as at that point every single verse is up for debate, then everyone's faith is eroded completely, because now how do I know

I can trust anything in my Bible? Because this guy who's more knowledgeable than me, to go back to that equivalency, this guy who's more knowledgeable than me because he studied Greek and Hebrew, knows that this verse should have been translated differently, and it means something wildly different because of that fact, So

how can I trust any of my Bible? If we start doing that then every verse is up for debate, and now we can believe in the creation theory of NASA or whatever government decided to say it was billions of years old. I think that's where all the problems came from, is when we started to have started losing our faith in the actual infallibility of scripture. Now I get it, we can say, oh, er have crept in? Well,

what verse in the Bible made you believe that? There's no verse in the Bible that talks about errors creeping in the Only thing it actually does is talk about preservation. So I can't believe that God would only inspire the word but not preserve it over time. Just kind of like, well the Jews have it, to say, the Jews, whoever, it doesn't matter who the Israelites they have it now, and everyone else that doesn't have the original manuscripts. I'm sorry. He sucks to suck. You guys are going to

help. It doesn't make sense, not at all, and doesn't make sense to me. And what you said is then you hit the nail right on the head. Is we can't pick and choose, you know, what we believe as firm and what is Well, it was either you know, not translated correctly or you know, they were this was six thousand years ago. They weren't really the smartest people, and these were just proverbs. They're kind of analogies in order to fit a certain narrative. And I'd like to add

on an ad ask you this question. You know again, I've read the Book of Genesis many many, many, many, many, many many many times. There's got to be preachers out there who kind of understand, like, hmm, maybe there's something to this, and maybe they've gone to a YouTube video where they came upon a podcast called the Flat Earth Files and they

kind of they're kind of like hip to the flat Earth. And do you think there's preachers out there who understand it, you know, who are in the same, you know, a line of thinking like us, but are just afraid to lose congregation or to be why not. There's the verse in the Bible that says, fear not the faces of men. I'm pretty sure I'm misquoting it, but it's essentially that. And the only reason it's in there is because someone would. You're a preacher, you're going to be afraid

of what people are going to say about you sometimes. But it's it's all about what was it? David. The only reason why he went out to go and fight Goliath was because he got angry about it. Literally says that he was angered because everyone else because Goliath was defaming the Lord God. Essentially, I'm very much misquoting everything. I haven't memorized my verses. I know the stories, but I feel terrible for misquoting. Well, it's a bigger

way. Well, yeah, he got angry. That's the only time that. Yeah, well not only time, but that's one of the best motivations for getting a little bit of courage is to get angry. That's I mean, I'm not advocating anger, but it's just it depends is it righteous anger? Are you angry at the right stuff? And if you are, you're going to be sufficiently courageous to do what it takes to spread the word and speak the truth. It's as simple as that. Yeah, and so many

occasions. Let's just go back to last week. I saw one of the pictures for I think it was the Toronto Blue Jays came out because they were having their Pride weekend, and he said, you know, I wasn't a fan of it, you know, because of my faith, and like twenty four hours later, he's back doing the same old song and dance, apologizing he's going to take classes and learn to be a better person. And uh, you know, it's so often we don't ever hear people that stand firm

in their faith. I'm sorry. My mother in law just came in the room. She's trying to give me some food, and I'm trying to tell her that I'm on a podcast and she's not listening. She doesn't even know what I'm doing. She's one of those first generation Romanians. She moved here when she was like thirty or something. I don't know. I'm probably butchering this. My brother in law is gonna get pissed off because I said this, But yeah, I shouldn't know what I'm doing. That's the first thing

they want to do is split food in your belly exactly. That that's good Romanian food. I'm telling you it looks good. But I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Awesome. Oh yeahs. Yes, the Blue Jays, Yes they did. They did backpedal. I'm sorry that I know you word, but they did. And it's because there was no courage, because I mean, what are you gonna get angry about there's no righteous anger. Whenever you're in a position where I'll say it this way, your advertisers is what's funding you.

The advertisers are the ones that will force you to call it, bend the knee to anyone's will, because that's what the supposed public interest wants, and advertisers need to be brand safe. If you're going to say anything that's not brand safe, well then I'm sorry, but there goes your career. So are they going to bend the knee and allow themselves to be ruled over by their advertise what's right and lose everything? I don't think that they would

lose everything. I think that they will say this. I think that there is a moral argument to be made that you could bend the knee and actually be justifiable. I can't find it yet, but I could see it being made. Yeah, interesting, but you know the kicker was they still ended up dropping that guy off the roust or after all of that. That's what I mean. Yeah, you could find the argument, but then like you

go and just do complete one eighty. What are you doing? There's no way to defend you at all if you're gonna fall on your sword, you know, do it with your chin up, not looking down at the ground. Yeah, it certainly is. Hey, you look at that. That's hilarious to hear. I'm sorry, it's just a funny way to say. It's like you're gonna kill yourself. Do it the right way. Yeah, exactly, if you're going to ruin your career, you might as well go out, you know, being a hero being somebody who was a coward.

I agree, I agree, And back to Covid on that topic, the gentleman who gave up his job. I mean, good for him for holding up his morals. I didn't have to. I mean I had the luxury to where I didn't have to make that decision. I was in framing. So framing, you're outdoors, and you're all a bunch of burly men who don't care. It's just we're gonna keep working. I'm sorry, but I mean, you're gonna come up here with your mask on and tell us to get off the house. You can't hear you. Sorry, we got hearing

protection. You got to come back later. Yeah, you got guys with nail guns and swinging away. Exactly. No one was gonna come up up to us. But then you go to the gas station to get some lunch and everyone's masked up. You're in there all dusty and dirty, and someone decides to cuss you because you're going to kill his grandma and kill them all.

And it is what it is. Man, I don't know. You know, I said many times when I was doing my radio show last year that it was the biggest COVID, was the biggest PSI up in the history of mankind. But I'll be honest with you. You know, in retrospect, you know that globe is sure does rival it? Oh? Sure? Well here's the thing. Here's a thing. I am essentially playing Devil's advocate right now, Rains. We're talking about Bible topics. Yeah, but I'm

essentially doing that now. I'm not. It's not like I'm closed off completely to the idea or I don't believe it at all, and I just know the arguments. Well, I'm fully open to the idea that the Earth is flat. And everyone that I encounter, I mean almost every new person I encounter. I did this at my new job. I did this at the no agenda meetups that I go to. I did this at what you call

it a Bible camp. I asked the preachers if they believe in the flat Earth, because I want to find all the answers I possibly can, and I want to of the lifestyle without just saying, ah, it's for other people. Let me just know what they know. I'd like to see what it's like to believe this, and I do to a degree. There's just a few things, just a few that I'm still okay. So one of your guests you had on I can't remember this gentleman's name either. It's terrible,

but I'm not remembering. Remember these guys. Anyone who wants to know who I'm talking about, listen to every past episode of Flatter Files and you'll find him. One of these guys mentioned. I think it was that same preacher, Ralph or Rudolph, one of one of these names he mentioned Balls Out Physics, great great video series. This guy is a genius. He is wonderful and he doesn't even do art. He doesn't even position his arguments

as this is why the flat Earth is correct. He positions it as I found some holes in the globe Earth model and it makes me skeptical, which is probably the best position to take because you're not. You're agnostics to the situation. You're just saying this kind of makes more sense than the other one.

May your decision here. And then from there I found another channel called the guy's name is Rob Durham, F sixteen pilot retired guys starts talking about how the Earth is flat because you can see two four pasts of the horizon and the radar assistance we have. The training manual says train as if you're on a flat, unmoving stationary plane. Yep, it's it's in your face.

Yeah. I've seen the technical manuals for UH sixties the Blackhawk helicopters, because I was in a METAVAC unit that had seven of them and it legitimately had that phrase in the technical manual. And of course back then in what it's in your face? Yeah, that was back in two thousand to two ninety eight to two thousand and one. Back then, I was just worried about how man it could have. You know, I could have opened a mill van and a whole bunch of flat earth books fall on top of me.

I've been just thrown them back in and closed the door. I do believe you have to be in a certain frame of mind, and you have to be a certain part of your life to be willing to be receptive to flat earth. What are your thoughts on that? Oh? For sure?

For sure? Like that's that's probably one of the better better points that you could have made in this in this entire show with me, is that specifically, if bringing it back to religion with Christianity, the only reason why you're ever receptive to Christianity or why why you to accept it is because you've been made receptive by the Creator, by God. So it literally says in the Bible that faith is a gift of the Holy Ghost. So how are you going to say that it was all your own? It was a gift that

was imparted to you. You decided to receive it, you became receptive of the message. Same thing with this, you have to be receptive to the idea. You have to be willing to understand where people are coming from. And that's another problem that we have a question for you. What do you think about the word division in today's day and age? How How often do

you think it's been used well? To be honest, the word itself, Um, I think it has more of a meaning to me than just the word, because I believe everything, whether whether it's sports, whether it's politics, everything in the news. Look look at Covidan, COVID divided families. I remember sitting at our Thanksgiving table at the end of twenty twenty. This would have been just a few months before they started rolling out the vaccines.

And I mean, it's Thanksgiving. It's supposed to be a time when we're all sitting around enjoying a great meal. In my family, that's one of the more cherished holidays. That's my most special. I always even as a child, when we got gifts, I always thought Kanks Thanksgiving was awesome because we ate good. I love turkey, watch football, spend time with family.

Else never a big gift guy. But you know, for one of my favorite holidays, my favorite time of the year, to have people looking at us disgusted because we had already said that we weren't going to get a vaccine. Man, you want to talk about division, I mean that that is what if you want to call them the controllers of the Hidden Hand or Satan, that division is one of their most powerful tools that they use against us. And that's one thing I will say is when I took this podcast.

And look, the reason this podcast came about is because every time I brought it up on the fact Hunner, I'd get a lot of negative emails saying, look, you're you're really destroying your your name and you know this, that and the other thing, even mentioning the flat Earth. So I said, fine, I'm going to put it in its own space and like minded people will come and listen, and for that I'm thankful for. But

at the same time, I don't want this to be divisive. If you know, if it's not your time to believe, and we'll shake hands and move on. Because going back to what you said, as important it is to me because the flat Earth has I've gotten so many emails and messages and phone calls saying that the flat earth has brought people back to God and back to the Bible, and even Bible believers reading it in a different way. It's very powerful stuff. But in no way do I want it to be

divisive. And again, you don't have to be a flatter through you know, to go to Heaven. Right, going back to what you said much earlier, Yeah, I think I think you're probably one of the better people to do it you have a cadence. Do you have a way of speaking that just makes everything seem more calm than it is. Even if it is calm, it just seems like something you could listen to while putting the kids to sleep. It's not to give it a negative idea, but it is.

It sounds great, no excitement of the negative variety. It's great. I like it. It's always just positive emotions, positive energy. I like it. But go ahead. The question that I was bringing up was for this reason. Before COVID came out, there was all all of the riots and LGBT stuff, and news every news channel that you could hear was giving you statistics on how divided America is on this topic, on that topic, on the other topic. And my question to you is, do you know

what NLP is? Neuro linguistic programming. It sounds like happened that something that has to do with a chip being implanted, but I'm not familiar with it. No, No, it's a way of speaking. A lot of public speakers will look into this research it. There's a lot of gurus out there. So if you look up an LP on YouTube and you look up neuro linguistic programming, you'll find some Indian or Pakistani people who are talking about it in a really weird woo woo way, And there may be something to it

in that regard. But it's the idea that a certain word holds a specific meaning, and that specific meaning has a specific power, and if you use that, it's better to convey a certain message than this other word. So to use the word division in a certain way is to say this percentage of Americans are divided about this topic. Well, at that point, it's reinforcing your brain that we are a divided country, and you hear it constantly,

over and over and over again. Well then at that point, once COVID rolls out and they just spin the message to hair just to use the word COVID, this many Americans are divided on the idea that COVID from a wet market or came from some government operation. Well, those people are wrong. I'm right. I need to be on one of these sides of the argument because they're divided about these two that's right. So it's one of these things

that and it comes from the news. It's it's all. If you want to listen to a great podcast, it's just for comedy for good news deconstruction. You should check out the No Agenda show. It is wonderful, wonderful for that topic. They they're great kept me saying through the COVID nonsense because I didn't have very much sources of information. They were great to debunk most

of everything that came out I was. I was very calm during the entire process, mostly due to them and the fact that the community I was around had more faith in God than we did in vaccines. Amen to that. That's what I love to hear. You know, So's one eighteen eight talks about putting your faith in God and not in man. And unfortunately, you know, as soon as they and again, you know, Hollywood and television

puts the stuff in your brain. Whether it was what was that big series on with the zombies net, I don't know if it was Netflix, whatever, but the big zombie TV show that came on every side. I haven't seen it, but I know what you're talking every Sunday night. It was on for so many seasons, and then of course there was contagion and it

was outbreak and they plant these stuff in your head. So as soon as they started, and it was right before the Super Bowl in twenty twenty that were showing these images of people in Uhan, Shina just collapsing in the street. And you know, unfortunately, once again people were turning into the lab coats and not the man above, which I mean it. We can get into that even further about how that's been eroded over time because science has kicked in. I mean a quick fact for you, we're doing a subset of

the fact. Unter, do you know how ibprofen came to be? No, I don't. I'd love to hear it, though I tell everyone this and this is just this is just so you know that everything has a spiritual nature. And my brother in law, if he's gonna listen to the show, he's going to kind of skip through this portion because he's heard it too many times. But back in the day, I can't remember exactly when. But there's a book on this. It's called The Cosmic Serpent, if anyone

wants to look into it. And I'll have another point to make about getting books, because Raoul wanted to find a one. I found it for him, and I'll help everyone else find their books if they want to. But Cosmic Serpent came out and he was looking into the relations between DNA and shamanistic practices in South America and kind of all around the world, and you start to wonder, what are shaman worried about DNA? How do they even know

about this doesn't make sense? Well, you start looking into the history of DNA, how it came to be and how people who not came to be, but how it was discovered, how it's been represented by two entwined serpents going up a ladder, which has a lot of esoteric meaning, boy, that looks like bathham It's stomach there, doesn't it? Essentially that? Yeah, Well, what happened was these medical companies. I think it was actually Merk specifically. I'm I'm gonna be sued for saying that, but either way,

one of these companies decided to say, we need new medicines. We need to find out how to get new medicines, because all they were referencing was a book called Demateria Medica. It's an old Greek book that some Greek dude way back in the day decided to figure out every single illness and how to cure it, and he wrote a book and we're still referencing it today. To make medicines. Well, they said, we need new ones,

so let's go down to South America and ask the shaman. They're doing something crazy out there, and everyone who's going down there is wondering, what in the world what are shaman going to teach us? Well, they go down there and they get down into the jungle or where misquoting the story, but they take ayahuasca. Ayahuasca, ayahuasca, how you pronounced it? The liquids to back up, Yeah, yeah, And it's very very specific the way

you have to take it. It's almost a medical procedure. The guy tells you, if you want to take this, you can't eat thirty two hours prior, make sure to sleep. If you're going to eat anything, eat this specific route. Make sure you drink a lot of water before you get here, and make sure in wait six hours before you take it. All sorts of things. It's crazy, the kind of thing they take you on,

very guided practice. Well, they start taking this, they're under the guidance and they start talking to the plants, and the plants start talking back to them. And this is a group of people. It's not one individual having one individual vision. It's multiple people seeing the same exact thing, and they hear the plant saying, Okay, you want to make a certain medicine, mix this plant with this one, then mix that one with me. Boil us for this long, coolest sound for this long. There'll be a

powdery substance. You caps put that into capsule, and there's your medicine. And they call it ibuprofen. Wow. And that's how and that's how a lot of the medicines nowadays have come to be is well, I'm not going to say a lot. I'm going to say a good number of medicines have come to be based on that. And ibuprofen is just so commonplace that it's everyone knows what it is. I'm allergic to it. I can't take it. I've been since I was a kid, and I probably always will be.

But it's it's kind of creepy how things come to be. It's a fact, a fact for the show. I'll just put it out there as that, Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Number one, And I'll put the book in the show description. It's uh, if this is the correct one? Cosmic Serpent, DNA and the Origins of Knowledge by Jeremy Narby. Yeah, that's the one, yep, and looks like you get

it from Amazon for eighteen bucks on paperback. But it's funny because when you look at the little book description, it talks about a Copernican revolution for the life sciences. There's Copernicus for you right in there. What a connection? What a connection? Yeah, and just looking at look looking at the you know this guy. It's interesting. This book right now, I guess it'd be twenty four years old, came out right before two thousand and one day.

I'm definitely going to read that book. And yeah, it's not a bad one. The guy documents his entire experience, how he came to his conclusions. It's it's a little bit um, how would you say. It makes you wonder if you've read any Dan Brown and you're not strong in your face, and makes you question your Christianity. This one does a little bit of that as well. Because you can't deny that people have had experiences.

You just have to put them in their proper categories, as in, this is a spirit that is leading this person versus this is some metaphysical, supernatural alien encounter. It's more just these are spirits, just like the Bible talks about them and if you keep them in their categories biblically, you shouldn't have your faith shaken. But it's just a warning to anyone who's a little lacking in the faith. They'll say it that way. Wow, that's so much

interesting stuff. And I wanted to ask you before I forget, do you currently have a podcast or and forgive me if I'm if I shouldn't ask you this on there? Or are you is there a podcast coming from you? Oh? No, you're fine, Yeah, I had I still it's still up. It's still live. Anyone can listen to it. It's called the Clodcast. It's not anything special yet. I'm planning on I'm planning on starting a new season. I stopped that episode number thirty three. Ha ha.

It wasn't intentional. It just happened. I know, it just happened. It was an interview with my brother. We were talking about Andrew Tate, which was strange, But a bunch of the other ones had actual themes to them. I had segments. I had Bitcoin segments, I had what grinds my gears segments. I had all sorts of different things, clips, audio sam pulls, all sorts of things but it got to be able too everywhere. It was so general purpose, it wasn't focused, and I need to

focus it on something else. So I'm planning on and maybe maybe someone from the audience might be able to help me out with this. I'm planning on doing a dramatized history podcast where I talk about all sorts of things that are kind of brushed under the radar, a little bit like I don't know if you've heard of the Koza rev mirror experiment. Not off the top of my head. No, it's very it's very weird spelling. It's like a Russian

spelling of the word koza revkao are why something? Well? Either way, the idea is that there was oh you know what, never mind, I'm not going to go into it too much. Too many rabbit trails and my ADHD brains kicking in. Does it have something to do with a mirror? It does, Okay, I found the right one. So it's going to

be interesting to look into. But I want to make a dramatized audio record starting of the happenings on the ground level of that, specifically that Operation paper Clip, Operation Blue Beam, all these all these conspiracy theories which I like just to call conspiracy therapy. I stole that from Adam Curry. But it's very, very good stuff to look into it, and if it's dramatized, I feel like it would be accepted a little bit more in the same way

that any TV show. As soon as it's dramatized, you suspend belief for a second and then you start thinking, ah, maybe that could have happened. So you start off with voice acting, awesome audio production, it'd be great, good script writing, maybe two or three minutes, and then after you get maybe even ten minutes, maybe it's a whole show, I don't know. And then after that you go into the actual facts, like the fact does on the topics that there are, So it would just be as

an operation paper clip. We brought a bunch of Nazi scientists over, Okay, well, how can we make that interesting for the masses. Start bringing in some people that speak German and start having to speak to people who are speaking English, and then make it a giant conspiracy and then have some fun monologues and dialogues and car crash effects and all sorts of different things. It'd

be fun. Yeah, And one thing I will say is that podcasts that are garnered in the entertainment category, they get looked upon much more than in education or government or those type of categories. So if you do it that way and you label it as entertainment, kind of as a check this out and maybe five or ten minutes of drama, and then all of a sudden you get into the hey, this really happened. I think that's a great way to both entertain and educate people. I think you might get hit at

home run there. That's a good way to say, gotcha, you sent it in, no kidding that that's tremendous. I hope you have great success with it. And uh, if you ever do, get it up and run and definitely come back and let us know so the listeners can can definitely be on board and listen in. And let's I want to stay with that

for a second. With Operation paper Clip, because that had so many you know, it led to NASA obviously, with Warner von Brown and so many other people, whether it be at Fort Dietrich down in Alabama, Redstone, Arsenal, was it Redstone or oak Ridge? With the Oppenheimer and all this

other stuff. What are your thoughts is this? Did it legitimately happen as it did, or do you think these were characters created because most people didn't even know about it until I think it was a Marvel movie and like Captain America's like gives us this two minute education on Operation paper clip clip during a movie. Oh do you think that that Operation paper clip actually happened? As

your question? Yeah, because I think a lot of our history is made up, and people like I believe Elon Muscus a character, I don't believe his backstory is is like correct, I think he's a character on the world stage. Well, yeah, it kind of sounds a little hard to believe that the only South African I've ever made millions and billions is white. Kind of it's kind of weird, but either, I mean anyway, I don't I don't know. I don't know about I don't know about Operation paper Clip

and it's being real or fake enough. Everything is a little bit of skepticism, every bit of it. I guess the I guess what I would have to do with this show would be to try and verify some of these things based on the fact hunter, see if any of these things have been proven true, and then make a dramatized audio about it and just link. If

you want to learn more, check out the fact on it. There you go, and I'll tell you the hardest part of my job on that side of the podcast spectrum is, you know, when most of everything is based on lies, it's really hard to get to the bottom of things. I agree, I agree, just like any lie you'd tell my goodness, my kid is just starting to tell lies about uh in school and not having girlfriends. It's like, yo, homeschool and it's just around the corner. I

tell you what, you're six six? What are you doing? That's hilarious? Um? Yeah, but um, you know with paper clip you you you have. You know, all you hear in history is how horrible these people were and and they killed six million people, but it was cool to bring them over and do these other things. And none of it makes sense to me. And that's when when I did my podcast last week, I actually had to walk out, so I took like a two mile walk. I'm like, you know, you look at the numbers, you look at

the stories, you look at how evil. Um what's his name? The guy who was led Russia during World War Two? I'm having a brain cramp right here. Oh whoa, whoa not Stalin? Sal was yeah, Stalin, it was Stalin. It was okay, that was Mussolini. I'm thinking, okay, yeah, yeah, uh and he killed you know, reportedly fifty sixty million people, and uh, it's just none of it makes sense, and then that just leads to everything. It's the kind of the same

feeling I had when I finally right. I kept getting the emails and I put my guard down. I'm like, I'm just going to prove that this whole you know, flatter thing is ridiculous and I'm going to move on with my life. You know, when I went down that rabbit hole, I kind of felt the same way. You know, how many times is this government who you know, I worked for and served for twenty four years, Like when did the lies ever end? You know, it's just it.

At some point you laugh about it, But there's sometimes when I get very upset about it. I can't imagine you wouldn't, especially since I mean I don't have military experience. But that's the whole nother. It's like whenever you hear someone say you'll never understand what it's like to lose a child or so love a child until you have a child, like a brother is one thing and a nephew is one thing. And I always thought to myself, Ah, that's not true. I can I can have the same kind of love

and it's not even close to the same. I mean to a degree. You know, some people can empathize pretty well. But I'm just watching an Instagram video about a kid being happy for a birthday cake, and I'm tearing up like a little sissy because I'm thinking, Man, I take care of my kids and this kid isn't being taken care of and finally he gets some love, and it just it's you different. Yeah. And also to say that I would understand that the lies and never stop in the same way you

do, that's disingenuous. But I think the lies never stopped. They just don't. I mean, how could you. When when are you going to own up and say, oh, we got you, we were lying.

Yeah, and you can't. Yeah, you make a perfect point too, because I think the old me, before I became a father, you know, all these things that we're doing, When when when you see the videos, whether it's like Instagram or whatever social media, when when you saw these little children getting vaccinated and they're just screaming and crying those type of things. You know. Going back to that anger that David felt was the kind of

anger that I felt. And I'm the type of person. You know, Adults are going to be adults, and they're going to do what they're going to do as long as it doesn't harm other people. But when you start, um, you know, messing with the children, that is a line that we should all, you know, being good people and Christians and just good human beings, we should draw the line there. That's another thing.

That's another thing right there, is the messing with the children. That is something that's it's a buzzword right now in the media is a lot of the would you rather have a live daughter than a dead son or however you want to phrase that, and it's it's picking out at the children and then all of the trans Story Hour or whatever whatever you feel about it, it doesn't

matter much. It's it's morally reprehensible. But then again, the parents are bringing their own kids there, so they're the parents that are doing it to their own kids, So how can you stop them? But then again, when does CPS get called? And then if they do, will they call them on you because you have a certain set of beliefs. It's it's a very tricky line to cross there. You can have your beliefs and maybe you

can petition someone and maybe you can try and reason with them. Maybe, But that part where it's messing with the children, that is probably what's going to bring in the next civil war, right there is the children part. Everyone is gets very riled up about messing with the children, and justifiably so. But I think we need to be careful about all the news articles that come out about children. There could be a lot of fluff, a lot

of a lot of articles just to incite violence, so to speak. Yeah, they want to get a reaction from us, right and why not? Why not especially to show that the crazy flat earthers are the ones that are gonna kill everyone because the kids. Yeah, and I've said Claude that there's going to be a false flag in the near future and one of the backstories is going to be he's a flat earther. Just wait, I'm telling you, man, I'm telling you. And he's a podcaster. Oh my good.

Delaware chicken farmer George Hobbs was arrested today chicken farmer and flat earther chicken and oh my goodness, kids cover your ear. Yeah, they would be throwing trash at me as they hold me off to jail. You loser. Hey, speaking of your podcasts, I wanted to call you out in front of everyone else, just so you can so everyone can hear this. Have

you looked into podcasting two point oh at all? You know? You mentioned it in our podcasts, and I keep getting emails from Spotify about doing video stuff, and to me, I want to because what you if I remember correctly, which is dangerous because I've got an old memory, but I think you said something very interesting to where like I do a podcast about whatever, and say a month down the road, I can actually add and listeners can add show notes within the podcast. Am I am? I right? So

the listener part not just yet. They're working on that specifically. I'm a podcast two point podcasting two point oh fanboy and evangelists kind of sort of. I've been using a lot of their features for the last two years since they first started. So Adam Curry, the guy who invented podcasting, decided to revamp it. Him and his partner Dave Jones, he's a developer. Adam Curry is a guy who dreams up the ideas well. They decided to add

a whole bunch of new features to podcasting. So this is also a news for Rule. I haven't talked to him on the phone yet. If he listens to this, he can hear this and hear the benefits of podcasting two point zero. What you can do is you'll set up an RSS feed on a podcasting host that supports it, or if you're a self hosted person, it's all the better. You can set up a Bitcoin wallet to receive lightning

transactions. If someone is going to donate to the show, which I would donate to your show in a heartbeat, and you'd be able to do it all through bitcoin. Just one percent of the proceeds go to the person who made the show, and that's how it works. It's all through your own

podcast app. Then you can use chapter art. So if you were talking about Operation paper Clip and how it's a fraud and you have a document to prove it, and you wanted to show the document to the listeners, what all you would have to do is set a time marker for when you talked about it, tell your audience look at the screen right now, and at that point it would flash the image and for as long as you've set the

time of that said document. You can even set in jifts if you'd like to, or gifts however you pronounce it, and it would essentially be a video podcast. As long as people don't do times to speed everyone it does times to speed stop it. It's not good for your health. But that's Those are two of the main features. And there's transcripts. You can search

through every transcript. There's location tag So if you wanted to do a podcast where you're talking about a specific location and it's only for that set of people, well, if you're in that location, you can check the podcast from the fact Hunter and say, oh wow, there's a podcast about Philadelphia right here. I want to listen to it. No one else has heard it.

It's exclusive however you want to do it. Tons of features. I would just encourage people to look into podcasting two point zero if you're looking to podcasts or looking for podcasts that have really really interesting things they're doing with their show. One podcast did a chess match on a podcast where they were they had a gift or gift However, playing the entire episode where you could see the moves being played and they had a conversation the time, it was crazy.

Wow. Now did that take a lot of work? Did they continually have to make like individual jifts for every move? No? No, it was one long video that they converted into a Jeff Rail you can do that their software to do it, and then they just placed it at the beginning of the show and then stopped it at the end of the show. That's very interesting. And like when I mentioned earlier about me being the chicken farmer hauled off to jail, I coul put a little cartoon of me being toted

away by the police in Yeah, that's awesome. That's very interesting. Well, I have I mean obviously in RSS feed from spreekl I'll have to go to that because I know I still have the link in your email. I'm looking at it right now and I'll have to see if that's something little. Yeah, okay, I think I think I actually heard because podcasting two point oh, they have their own podcast where they talk about all the stuff that's coming out, all the new new advancements. You can listen to it on

not on Spotify. They are very very anti Spotify. Well, you know, in a way, that's any of the they want to be decentralized, that's the idea. I don't want to be on a centralized platform that can kick you off at any whim because you're a flat Earth or because you talked negatively about the COVID yep, yep, and listen. I did an it's funny, not funny, ha ha. But two months ago I did an episode on Ted Kazinski and Spotify pulled it. Oh yeah, I started my

email, got full what happened episode one whatever? You know, one fifty one, And I don't know if it was something because I used the b the word bomb, so i'mwhere in the II picked it up and booted it or Ted Kazinski is a keyword, and you know, it's interesting words. Just did it? Yeah, they transcribe everything. Yeah, oh yeah,

for sure. And like six weeks later, boom, he dies on June tenth, And if you look back through history, I mentioned it on Today's Fact on our episode all the things that happened on June tenth and history within the last fifty years between the CIA and all the Apple two's being shipped for the first time. I think he chose that date to kill himself. Huh you think so. I think it's a possibility if you look well in the

history the last fifty years. And also there was two famous escapes on June tenth, one one of the IRA guys from Ireland and the one guy I believe, the one guy who escaped Alcatraz, And I think so, you know, he picked that day because that was his way of escaping jail.

And the anti technocracy with Apple two's being shipped for the first time, the penning Um two ship being shipped for the first time, and CIA being found out having all the secret files on Americans that all happened on the history and June of June tenth. Excuse me, Well, yeah, no one's listened to the manifesto. That's because it's he put out. I'd encourage you to listen to it. The grim Erica podcast. Has I listened to this in

back in twenty nineteen if he wanted to listen to it. It's an industrial society in its future, I believe, and go listen to it. They have the full thing they did, uh, basically an audible and it's quite long, but it's very, very frighteningly spotted it. Yeah, it's very accurate. It's it's if I remember, because I put it at the end of mine too. It was like two and a half hours. Yeah, he's it's wonderful. Yeah, if if only he didn't blow people off.

Yeah. You know what's really strange, which I didn't know until I did the episode. One of the three people he killed, the guy's name was Epstein and he was a geneticist. Oh boy, yeah, like he was related. Yeah, who knows. I mean, just it's really odd. And of course his brother ended up giving him up, right, I don't remember any of Oh yeah he did because he found his writing style on the manifesto and said that sounds like my brothers. Yeah, and he gave him

up. Yeah that's what I heard. Yeah. Yeah. And the poor guy was mka Ultra. He was sixteen years old when they mk ultraed him, which one his brother or him know him Ted Kazinski when he was at at Harvard at sixteen years old. Because he graduated at fifteen, they sent him to Harvard and he went through the mk Ultra program while he was there. Oh that sucks. He was a brilliant dude. Maybe that's what happened. Yeah, that decided you know what, there's a little bit of sanity

left, let me write about it. And then went off. Yea, yea. And So whether or not they programmed him to do that, or that was his way of getting back at the government or a combination, I guess, you know, we'll never know. They just moved him to He had just moved a year ago from the supermax and Florence, Colorado to the you know, they have a place in North Carolina for older, much older prisoners and those with real physical disabilities that need constant monitoring. What yet,

eighty they send the supermax folks to North Carolina. So I'm willing to bet that he had a less surveillance dale that that's why he was able to pull it off. Probably, I think they did that for that reason, to be able to allow him his time. Maybe he even put in the request, Hey June tenth, guys, move me over. Yeah, who knows, it's it's it's crazy, but yeah, I echo your point. Everybody should listen to that. It's it's very good, very insightful. And also

another recommendation, man, I'm just full of recommendation. State Atlas Shrugged. If anyone wants to read a good book, Atlas Shrugged probably one of the better ones, talking about hard work, talking about what will happen whenever society fails. And it won't fail because industry. It'll fail because the movers and shakers of the world will stop moving and shaking. So just prepare, Like that's all that you can do is basically prepare yourself for whatever comes next.

And that starts with starts with reading your Bible and then moves on to everything else. And if the flat Earth brought you to reading your Bible, continue reading your Bible and then moved back to flat Earth. Amen, I can't hearken that enough. That's a great analogy. By the way, that movie did it no justice. The book, which I believe was written in nineteen fifty seven, is a tremendous book, and it is one of those things that again I think I even read that that was one of the things that

really sparked or kind of touched a chord with Ted Kazinski. I think that's part of his story. That book really meant a lot to him. Yeah, Ian Ran she was a Russian immigrant and she learned the English language so well that she wrote a book that was basically the number one best seller. It was it was the King James Bible, the Marine Corps Code of Conduct, and Iron Ram's Atlas Shrugged on the bedside table. That's what was in

people's houses back in the day. It was insane. I mean, as far as what people have said, was that life changing of a book, very very inspirational. That's incredible. Well, you have absolutely this is one of the fastest podcasts I've ever done. You are full of information and your spot on with your faith. And I've said this before to a few of the other guests that we've had. I'm thrilled to know that you're only twenty six years old, because you have the conviction and the morals of someone much

much older and wiser. And I think, if it's okay, that's kudos to how you were brought up, your parents and your siblings and your family. And I'm glad to hear that you were a homeschooler. And to everybody listening, this is someone who is homeschooled and will be homeschooling his family, and it just echoes. You're only twenty six years old and you have so much wisdom and wherewithal to what's going on in the world. And I just want to commend you on that. Yeah, that's a lot of praise.

I don't know if I can live up to it, but thank you. Yeah. And you know, you hear people all the time, especially the older folks, this younger generation. And I've had so many guests, you know, in mid thirties and below that have just tremendous and have a good head on their shoulders, and and I just it just motivates me and it makes me happy to know there's a lot of younger generation out there who are on board and can see through, you know, all the worldly things that

are going on today. And it's easier for people just to side with, you know, the mob, right, you know, just go along, to get along and move along with their day. But it takes a very special type of person like yourself to stand up to the mob and say that's not right. This is how I'm going to live my life. So much love to you and your family. Brother, Yeah, thank you, thank

you so much. Thanks for having me on. This was great. I hope we can do it in the future and maybe I'll have that podcast going. Maybe I'll bring some new information. Yeah, definitely do that, and I would like to give you, um, you know, the last couple of minutes here for whatever else you wanted to say, sir, oh oh, shoot, I wasn't prepared for this. Okay, read your Bible.

That's pretty much it. Have faith in your Bible. I have. I've done some studies on as as much as I possibly could, and even one of my podcast episodes is on the King James Bible and why I think that one is correct. Everyone has their own reason why they think there's is correct. I have my own. It goes into that. But if you're reading your word, if you're reading the Word of God, that's what matters the

most. I'm not gonna say that I wouldn't want you that. I'm not gonna say I wouldn't be more happy if you would be reading King James. But then again, if you're living out the biblical life and mindset of Christ with either of the translations, any of them, really, then you know, more power to you. But focus on that above all else. That's

all I can say. And there's been so many guests as you've had on that have said so much more in the way of speaking to Christ and how to live a Christian life and to live a Christian life better than I could say, So I'm going to leave it to them. I encourage everyone to continue listening. I encourage you to find the truth that is in the Word. And if Flatter has brought you to the Word, continue in it. You're going to find way more interesting things than just flatter. It's like giants,

dragons, and unicorns, which are all in the Bible. So keep on reading. You're going to find some crazy things. It's wonderful. It's wonderful the Word that you have in your hands, and that it's literally God's Word. And that's all I can really say about that. Well, I couldn't have finished it in a better fashion. I appreciate it. And if you'd like to reach out to Claude again, his email will be in the show descriptions. You can just copy and paste it and email away. It

is the claudecast at proton dot me for Claude. I am George got bless you all, you guys, have a great week, keep your head on a swivel, and until next time, my friends, we will see you