Episode 52: Flat Earth Conversation with Raul

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Brother? Hey, I'm great and I'm glad to be here with you. Guys. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to everyone get to so they can get to know you. Yeah. Sure. My name's Rabul. I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I'm forty five years old. I'm a father of four kids, all sons, all boys. Yeah, I just when I was young, you know, I'm the youngest of my family. I was born here in Albuquerque, but my family hails from the northern part of the state, a place called Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Yes, there is a Las Vegas. The original Las Vegas is in New Mexico. Actually, but uh, you know, when I was when I was young, fairly young, three years old, my mom and my dad split. I'm quite a bit younger than my older siblings. I had three older brothers and one older sister, and my mom took a job in Phoenix, Arizona. It was a substantial race for her, and my dad didn't

want to didn't want to leave the staatey New Mexico. He's a small town boy and had always lived in northern New Mexico his life, and he worked at the university up there, and my mom took me with her to Arizona. And when I was young, I was gotten a lot of trouble. You know, I was pretty rebellious. I didn't like authority, and you know, I was being raised by, you know, now a single mother.

And my older siblings had stayed in northern New Mexico because they already had their friends and we're used to going to school with the people, so they stayed behind. So I was kind of like an only child, even though I had, you know, these siblings, and you know, I got myself into a fair amount of trouble. And when I was young, I remember, you know, at least I thought I was an atheist, you know, and I you know, I had a disdain for authority, and

I got myself into a lot of tight situations. I had to have a lot of hard life lessons and experimented with drugs and I went through the whole, you know, that whole experience. And you know as I as I got to grow older, I started to have certain revelations and things happened to me. It kind of led me to faith. And you know, since then, I've had a multitude of strange things happened to me that I guess

people would consider paranormal, you know, UFO experiences. I have had strange experiences camping where I thought maybe I had like crypted encounters and I don't want to get into that stuff, but you know, all these experiences got me into researching the occult and got me looking into strange phenomenon And then I remember in two thousand and one when nine to eleven happened, I had actually moved back to New Mexico because I had a rough breakup with a girlfriend at the

time. In Arizona, and you know, all my family was out here, and I was in the underground hip hop at the time, and one of my buddies that I was still in contact with from over here in New Mexico was living in Albuquerque at the time. I was like, why don't you just move out here me and you can start making music and you know, will you know, just start a new life, something fresh. And then I wasn't far away from my dad and my siblings and my cousins,

and so I moved back here and I remember right around that time. It wasn't too long I was living down here and nine to eleven happened, and I remember exactly where I was, and you know, I was living with my friend that I was actually living with his brother. He had his own apartment, but we lived in the same apartment complex. We had a little recording studio that we had set up in his place, and I was living

with his brother. And he woke me up one morning and I think I was hung over because we were partying, and he's all, dude, turned on your TV, man, like, check it out, but they're attacking the World Trade Center, you know, And I think right about the time when they were showing footage. I I guess it was the second plane hitting the towers and it was like whoa. And I just remember, you know, like this is crazy. And I remember my friend that I was recording

music with. He was an autoparts delivery guy. So he worked for I can't remember the name of the company, but he would go to various auto parts store well, he would pick him up from a warehouse and then he would deliver parts that people were ordering for their cars to various mechanic shops around town. And he was like, dude, go with me to work. And I just remember we were delivering autoparts and we had the radio news on and I just remember driving around, you know, and everything was like came

to a complete stop. You know, there's like no no vehicles on the road, like no planes in the air, like hearing all these updates on the radio or whatever. It was just just the strangest day, you know. But at that time, you know, I totally bought into like,

ooh, I can't believe we're being attacked. And of course the story comes out, you know the nine you know, or you know, an Arab Muslim terrorists, you know, formed this plot and they attacked us, and you know, I bought into that whole thing, and you know, I believe that stuff for a good while. But my same buddy that that um I was traveling with that day. I remember, I remember how long ago after it was, but I want to say maybe nine months a year after.

I was, you know, hanging out back at his house one day and he's like, Bro, I want to show you this documentary that came out. He's all, Bro, he's all nine to eleven. It's an inside job. And I was like, get the hell out of it, bro, Like you're you're you gotta be kidding. Man, Like no, it's not, dude, Like uh, He's like, no, man, just check me out. Check this out, dude. He's all just watched

this. And I remember watching this video and I don't remember what video it is excused me or where he even found it, But the guy was always into He himself was uh in the like researching the occult and the Masons and

all this stuff. And I remember he had this old tone with a Masonic symbol on it and it had like all the world's religions and it had how to stumm in demons, and he said he got it from an old Rastafarian and he was in all kinds of crazy stuff, you know, And and so he shows me this documentary and I remember after I sat and watched the whole thing, I was like, I was sold. I was like,

wow, this we did this to ourselves, you know. And so that kind of started me on being open to some of the more deeper conspiracy theories, you know. So I would say, that's kind of where I got my start, you know. And then after that I continued to have strange things happen to me and you know, life experiences, and and eventually, you know, leading up till now, you know, just recently, I've still always been into the same thing, you know, researching the occult,

researching the new world order, you know, why is everything happening? You know, and and looking at things from a from a different lens, just from what mainstream media is telling us. And uh, you know I was telling you before we got on now that uh you know, I think because of my algorithm on Spotify, it fed me the flat Earth Files a few

times. It started kicking it my way, and I remember being like flat Earth Files like, I'm like, I don't think so dude, and and you know what, I don't know how, but like the whole before, you know, how, Now, when was it that YouTube started really censoring the flat earth material? You know that censorship started twenty seventeen ish, I think, okay, yeah, so yeah, you know, um, I don't know how I didn't get into it because I watched a lot of conspiracy

theories on YouTube during that time period. You know, we were always watching that stuff, me and my buddies when we record music and we would be partying in the studio and like, you know, we we'd always watch crazy stuff. And you know, probably just like I saw flat Earth or something, and I probably just laughed at it back then and just was like that's ridiculous and just move on to the next thing. But I never got into it. I was never really hit to flatter theory or any of that stuff.

But you know, because of this algorithm, you know, recently, and I work as like an armed security guard, so like they allow me to have an earbud in while I'm on post, and you know, I listened to podcasts all day long to make the day fly by. And you know, I like to listen to paranormal stuff and conspiratorial stuff, and I was listened to the Fact Hunter, and I listened to like Macro Aggressions with

Charlie Robinson and Sasquash Chronicles and like Tony Merkle's Confessionals. And I guess because of these different shows that I listened to Kick Me the flatterth Files a few

times. And I just remember one day I was like, you know what, I'm so I've burnt through so many of those other podcasts and I was like caught up to date, and I'm a paid member of some of them too, and I was just like, I need to change it up for a minute, you know what, man, I'm just gonna go ahead and check out this Flatter the Files. Let me see what this is all about. Man. And I remember telling myself, Man, I'm gonna give this podcast ten minutes. Bro, I'm gonna give it ten minutes, dude.

If it don't catch me, you know, I'll just move on to the next thing and lo and behold, you know, like it's it drew me in, you know. And I just wanted to commend you, man. You do a tremendous job on your podcast and you're you're such a pleasure and so easy to listen to, and your content is great, and I just

like the way you piece it together. So yeah, man, it was right up my alley and I just one episode turned into two, to turn into four, four turned into six, and then I started talking about it, you know, first with my first with my girl, my old lady, you know, I was like, hey, check this out, like, have you ever thought about this? Have you ever thought about that, you know, in regards to flat earth, And started talking about it with some of my friends, and I was like, I don't know, I'm

not completely sold, but I'm I'm kind of leaning this way. Man. There's a lot of things to point out that, you know, we might be living on a flat plane level surface, you know. And of course, like you know, I've probably got like ten episodes in, you know, and I was bouncing back and forth. I'd listened to a new one, I'd go back listen to an old one, you know, and then I think I went back and started from the beginning, and then pretty much

now I think I've listened to all the episodes, you know. And I really enjoy the when you read listeners questions because it a lot of the times people are asking questions you had, you know, and I would listen to your responses, and then I started looking at your links that you were posting, and I started watching the videos and I started I went and watched the documentaries that your your guests were bringing up, and you know, about ten episodes deep. I was like, Okay, man, I'm convinced, like

this is the truth. You know, I can't believe this, but this is the truth. And wow, the lie really goes so deep. And I was like, you know, when you come to this realization, you're kind of like, whoa, this is the mother of all conspiracy. And then you start to think about it and you're like, wow, man, Lucifer's really hand his hand you know, in the mix for since the beginning

of time. He's playing long ball, and he's got control of this group of people that have so much power and influence, and he's, you know, with his wicked ways, he's perverted minds and use sorcery, and you

know, they've turned religion into this, our science into this religion. And you learn that these guys are all in bed with one another, so to say, you know, metaphorically speaking, and that they're all a part of the same secret societies, and and then you get into researching their you know, what they say about the Earth and its constructs and how it exists in

this heliocentric model and the solar system and how gravity works. And then it leads into you know, evolution and the theory of relativity and and you know, nobody questions this stuff. You know, I didn't. I sure didn't, you know, And and like you mentioned yourself, it's just everywhere. It's like, it's in our music, it's in our pop media, it's in our TV shows, is it's in science fiction, it's in all the movies, like you say, it's it's a spinning rock at the beginning of

every movie that plays. There's a globe in every movie. I mean every movie doesn't even have to be about that. It could be you know, any movie that you're gonna find an image of the Earth spinning or a globe or something in it, you know, And uh yeah, I was just like I was mind blown, you know that how did I how did I not see this? And how how are they pulling this off? And now that I've dug and I'm dug into some of this material, You've you've fed

your listeners, you know, such as a Helio sorcery Man. What a great documentary. Absolutely yeah, he Helio sorcery is tremendously done, tremendously narrated.

I love the way they do the cartoons and they do the different voices, and they actually take quotes from the actual historical figures and and it really shows how Lucifer's had his hand in, like you know, posing as God and what was really behind the crustades, and and you know how they try to keep you know, the Holy Word out of the hands of the people and just in the hands of the papacy. And you could really see how

they were controlling the flow of information. And then you research that and then what the Bible says, and it totally goes along with scripture. And you know, what I've realized about the Bible is that it's a living book. It's still playing out now to this day. It was wrote when it when it was wrote thousands of years ago, but it is still playing out before

our eyes. And when you when you become awake and you start to realize that, like Prophecy, especially right now in the day and age we're living in, it's just playing right in front of our eyes, you know, and you always talk about like how the enemies overplayed their hand, and of course you know the pandemic, the scam demic, you know all that stuff. It was a huge eye opener for me, you know, me, my girl, our children are all unvaccinated, and we went through that whole

thing. Man, you know where I even changed career fields because of it. You know, I used to be an EMS and at that time, frontline healthcare workers. You know, you were supposed to take the jazz, you know, and I was like, I'm not doing it. I stood in my ground, and you know, I relied on faith. And there was a period of time where I left the workforce, and you know, I was unemployment for a little while, which I didn't like. But I used it as an opportunity to catch my kids up to speed, you know,

with a digital learning because I had a son at the time. I think he was eight when it was going on, and I mean he didn't know how to make a ZIP file, compose an email, how to and just to keep a kid focused in front of a cute computer that time. I was a lot to ask, you know for sure. So I used I used a few months just to stay home and catch my kids up to speed. And then I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna get back into

to the workforce. And you know, I got lucky. Man. I found like a loophole and I actually went to work for the movies out here, and I found a loophole where I could work without a without a because I let my EMS license laugh apps. But I found a loophole where I could work for the Amazon studios and they were hiring us based off our credentials. And I worked on a television series EMS and I was on their COVID testing crew and you know COVID testing crew two three times a week. And

I worked for the duration of the show. And then that show the production wrapped up. It was Outer Range. A matter of fact, I don't know if you've ever seen. It was a pretty great show. Actually, it's an Amazon Prime show. Yeah, it's with Josh Brolind. It's like it's like a modern day Western, but it has a paranormal twist, you know. And I got to meet all those people, got to rub elbows with them. I got like on a first name basis with some of these

actors. It's actually a pretty cool experience, and I made a lot of good money, and of course they were like, hey, we're gonna take this. We're gonna go film a show in another state. And you know, my wife was like, to hell you are, You're not leaving me and the kids during this time and like going off to another state. So

she's like, you better find something else to do. So I ended up in there airfield that I'm in now, and you know, I've I've worked my way up to level three security and now that's what I'm doing currently. And God's I totally provided the way, and and you know, He's totally blessed me with a job where I now I work nine to five. I get to coach baseball twice a week. I get to go to church, you know, Bible studies on Wednesday's, church on Sundays. And I get

to coach my kids baseball team on the weekends. And I get to be a part of my family's life. And I'm so grateful to the Lord for providing me this pathway. And I just realized, like, you know, everything's coming to fruition now. And you know, just in recent times, my faith has really been reinvigorated and you know, the Lord's been speaking to me through his words and through confirmation and other people and you know, podcasts like yours, you know, and and this slatter thing has really been a

revelation to me. And it's really shown me to take God's word literally. You know. I used to think, oh, God's very metaphorical and he's this and that. How does that apply to the heliocentric model? And you can find ways to pervert or change the word to make it fit a narrative. And now that I've really gotten into this, I don't like to tell like Christians like, hey, dude, you God's not being metaphorical. He's being literal, like you know, when he says he did it this way,

he did it this way. Like you know, like, for instance, the story of Joshua Joshua ten, the Lord stopped the sun and the moon. Okay, so how does that line up with the heliocentric you know, solar system. You know, I thought the spinning rock and the sun and the moon affected our gravity. So if everything came to a halt and there was what happened to gravity? What happened to everything? You know, like, how does that work? And people start to be like, well,

it was this and it doesn't really mean that. It's just a meta Like no, dude, Like then you're picking and choosing what it says, like you either believe all of it or you believe none of it. And I was like, I believe God's word. And then I started it thinking about it, I was like, whoa. It brought a whole new meaning to the Bible for me. I mean it opened up Pandora's box, you know, and then you go and you start looking and you crack me up,

George. But I think it was just your last episode with William Boot. Yeah, yeah, you brought up You're like, hey, man, how does the Tower of Battle work on a spinning rock? Are you building a two hour to go to Venus? Right, yeah, dude? And I was like, whoa, dude, I can't. I was laughing, man, I was. I was laughing, you know, and I was like, whoa that that totally man. I was like, it doesn't make sense, like, you know, and then you think about it, you

know, you think about Genis as Steven eleven. It says God the water sprung from the fountains of the earth, but it also says the windows of heaven were opened the firmament, you know, like the waters poured in. God separated the waters. You know, the sky is blue because the waters behind the firmament. You know, we're on this stationary plane. The Earth stands on pillars. The Earth is immovable. And how many scriptures talk about

the Earth being immovable? I mean, and this is just a few that I wrote down, you know, Chronicle sixteen thirty, Psalms thirty three nine, Stom's ninety three one, you know, and then you look at things like Psalms one or four point five. It said, so he set the Earth's foundations, it can never be moved Proverbs eight twenty nine. He set the sea to its limits when he marked it out Peter three five. He formed. He formed the Earth out of water by water, you know.

And then you start to look at all these things and you're like wow, you know, and of course being into what I was into, because you know, I don't want to get into it, but I've had a UFO experiences. Multiple weird stuff goes on in northern New Mexico, you know, in New Mexico period. You know, this is where they attested the A bomb. They got all the underground labs. You know, I believe there's

a lot of demonic energy over here. There's weird, strange things that the spaceport is here, you know, the supposed spaceport and all this stuff, and you know, will say and and I've had these I've had strange things happen to me. But now I have a new perspective on what all that might be. And even as far as like extraterrestrials go, like, you

know, do they exist or what are they? And uh, you know, and then you start thinking about the extra terrain, the extra terrestrial extra terrain outside of the Antarctic ice show, and maybe this is a demonic and it's spiritual and they're not coming from you know, another galaxy light years away

and traveling here, you know, through wormholes. And because it doesn't you know, the Bible does talk about their being other beans, right, It talks about the Seraphim, the Cherubim, you know, the Nephilim of course, the offspring and and you know, I was like, well, how does all this stuff tie into like Bigfoot? And how does dinosaurs and and you know what Genesis six, man, you always talk about it, Genesis

six. There's your explanation right there. And you know, through a series of emails to you pointed to me to the Jesuit thing and you're like, oh, look at the Smithsonian's logo. Bro. Yeah, and I'm like wow, you know, and researching. Yeah, you start researching, like what they probably have hidden at the Vatican, you know, you start researching you know, uh, facilities like Stern you know, and their logos six six sticks and and uh, you know, you'd start to learn all the

archaics. You know, we're a cultic stuff they're messing with there, and you start to and then it starts to make more sense, and then you start to research, you know, because of what I really feel that they're leading up to. I feel that like the solar system model and this whole perversion of getting people to not worship the create tour but worship the creation, you know, and that we're insignificant and we don't have our place, you

know in the universe, Like no, we're divinely created. We were placed here, you know, we were set with a firmament to protect us from above. Like God gave us free will so we could speak him, you know. But but because we have free will, Um, you know, these influences have come in and people, these perversions have come in, and they've overtaken our minds, and and you start to look at it from that

aspect and you realize it brings scripture to a whole new life. And then you start to look at you know, of course, the COVID nineteen and you start looking into that, and they're playing with genetics and this mr and A technology has gene altering solutions in it. There's a great book out there, by the way, Like you said, I don't believe all books, you know, like, but there's great information and truth in all kinds of different sources. Right. There's a great book of kind of the touches on

some of this stuff called Birthright by Timothy Alberino. Have you heard about that? No, I don't think I have filmed in so basically Timothy Alberino, he's a pretty brilliant writer. It's funny though he has the globe Earth on the front of his book. But it's about the usurption of Adam's dominion and it talks about how Lucifer is, you know, he's made these attempts on humanity. You know, of of course, first during the fall with Adam and Eve. You know, he deceived them into sin, you know.

And then you know, of course he tried to kill you know, the stuns of Israel to stop the birth of the Messiah. He couldn't stop that. You know. He tried to tempt Jesus from not fulfilling his duties on the cross. He couldn't stop him. You know, Jesus paid the penalty. So now what is he doing? What is the enemy doing? So he knows that Christ died for humans. He didn't die for human kimeras, he didn't die for styborgs, he didn't die for you know this, you

know transhumanism. You know, it's part of this. Uh, it's part of the enemy's plan, you know. And you get into researching that the new vaccines, and you're like, wow, like this has gene altering solution in it, you know, like it changes the structure of human DNA and

not only to mention all the other stuff is getting people stick. And then you know, you look at the pharmaceutical companies and how they're exempt from prosecution in the court of law, and then you look at the CDC has gets royalties off the use of the vaccine, but it's pretty safe and effective, and they come up with the schedule of when you're supposed to take it. It's not pretty safe and effective. We the taxpayers are paid for that,

and it's going right in the pockets of these goons, you know. And so in this book, though, he talks about how the Devil's of the final attempts of the devil will be to break us of our birthright, which is humans in faith through Christ is salvation. And if he can change our genetic code, then we can no longer receive the blessing of salvation because we're not humans. And that's what the mark of the Beast is, right, it says you're unclean in the eyes of the Lord. Right when you accept

the mark of the beast, you're now property of the beast. System. See, the devil knows the rules of heaven and earth, you know, as above so below. So he knows the cord of law of heavens, and he knows that if he can get people to accept this contract from a delusion and usher people into this And you look, man, it just happened just the other day. My friends sent me the thing. They just the FDA just accepted the trial run on near a link and then you look at

what the who's you know, the World Health Organization is up to. And then you look at at all the stuff that's going on, and all these puzzle pieces are starting to come together. And then you start to look at a geopolitics, and you start to look at what's going on with the banking system, and you know how they're gonna usher in this new They're trying to

get their hands in cryptocurrency because they want control of that. They want to stop the flow of cash so they can keep track of everything you're doing. And then it makes total sense. The flat earth theory makes total sense, bro, because they through through the perversion of the spinning rock. You know, they can push things such as sorry I took a few notes, but you know, the global agenda. Think about the global agenda, what is

it? The new world order? Global government, global warming, global id cards. Now we're gonna track your carbon footprint, you know, and and you need to be accountable for your carbon footprint. You know, the mark of the beast and the beast system. This is how the devil has ushered in his system. This is how he's coerced humanity into this contract where he is going to still lies and souls. That's what it's all about. That's

the end game. But dude, like, I really honestly believe that that that flat earth theory, which you know, I understand why you call your show that. You explain it all the time, but you know, and I'll tell people you know about talk to him about flat earth, but you know, I always say biblical earth or on a level plane, and you know, and just to bring it back. So they're like, oh, it's so ridiculous. How is the Earth flat? Like, okay, bro, if you want me to explain it, Like, it's not flat at

ass terrain, okay, but it's on a level plane. It's immovable. It sits on pillars, and it has a firmament above it. You know, when they're open to hear it, you know, when they're open to hear it. And then I just start to drop things like think about it, bro, horizon because it lays perfectly horizontal. They're called tectonic plates, not tectonic curves. You know. It's called seat level because it lies on

a level plane. And they're like, whoa dude, I never thought about that, you know, and then you just drop little nuggets here and there, and I've been having some good success, man. And I got a lot of people in my inner circle researching this stuff right now. I got people that I work around in research. Yeah, I have not everybody is just like so accepting, and I've gotten some of that that's ridiculous and they attack you, and you know, I kind of just I'll back off.

You know. Before I used to be a little more aggressive when I was younger, but now I've learned to like pick and choose my battle, so to say. But I have been having some success, man. And when you're able to look at it from this perspective, though, I think that I really think that that flat Earth is kind of a cheap code in the matrix. Like what's what's your thoughts on that? Yeah? I agree.

And every time that you know, you use how many times during the day do we use the word global or globe or or something like that, And every time we say it, um words are programming tools that they use. And I think they figured this out a long time ago. Of course, the great Jordan, not Jordan Maxwell. Jordan, Yeah, Jordan Maxwell always get Maxwell and Peterson confused. Maxwell is the older guy who came up with exactly how words have meaning. And um, words cut like a knife.

That's why word is actually in the words sword. And yeah, there's just so much that goes in. I have so many notes already talking about the maritime laws. The maritime law you posted that that was that blew my mind. Yeah, that is, yes, that Mary, Like once you understand

that, man, you're it blows your mind. You know about like the sea docking and and the birth canal and like you know, like transporting goods and they have to sign this document and you're like, whoa dude, we are literally uh they treat us as a commodity of the state, you know, and we have a price loop mean over our heads and we're indebted to it, you know, through servitude and through taxes, through this, through that. You know. Yeah, it's just like it's that it's so mind

blowing, you know, and and talking about words. You know. Somebody I've been looking to get this book, but uh, I can't remember. I think it was Sippio. Maybe that brought it up on the episode with Sippio, but correct me if I'm wrong, But he was talking about the book the language Crystal. I vaguely remember that. Yeah. Yeah, so but the books like nine hundred oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, it was on eBay. It's like eight hundred and thirty dollars the last time I

saw it's it's crazy. Yeah, I haven't found a copy cheaper than like five hundred and thirty bucks. And somebody swooped it up right away. Wow, I kind of money to spend anyways. But one day I found a second edition popped up for ninety five dollars and I was like, I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it. I was like, Okay, well, I'm kind of busy right now, I'll come back. Like I went back in and it was gone. Yeah. I

was like, oh, like, I gotta get I gotta get. Hey, any listeners out there, if you want to share it with me, like please, man, Like I would love to read that book the language Crystal, because they say, you know, I think you're right. You know, I think that's part of their magic, right with a K on the end. You know, it's it's a perversion of science, you know, and it's it's like ridiculous, and I'm a lot of people you know. Oh, another thing, that you talk about George starting kind of all

over the place. Now you're killing it, brother, keep going. Yeah. Man. So another thing that you talked about was like, hey man, if you could just stand out in front of Walmart and you can ask like these people, you know, just ask them statistics about like hey man, how far away is the sun? Like you know, how big the moon is? How far? How far away is the moon? You know, how fast the Earth is spinning? You know, like, and see

what they know? You know? And then when the when? And then when you start telling them that you know, they're like, well, how do you know all that? And be like because, and then you tell them you know, well, you know, actually I'm a I'm a flat earth. But I just want to see if you know what they're telling us, you know, and then you explain why. And then I always like to show him that math equation and how because even Tesla talked about it,

right, they're turning they're turning science. I can't remember his quote, but you know, vaguely in a roundabout way, he basically said, they're they're taking science, making it a religion and taking numbers to a fit their agenda exactly. Remember how he yeah, he said. Basically science was becoming a giant math problem which they would backwards. Uh, you know that would solve backwards, like this is the end number. Now, what calculations do we

have to come up with to make it fit our our agenda? Right? The reverse calculations or whatever you want to call it reverse engineering if you will, Yeah, exactly. So you know, I've blown a few people's minds telling them so. So they say, the Sun is ninety three million miles away, the Earth is tilted at a twenty three point four degree access, we're spinning at a thousand miles an hour, you know, around in the

solar system at sixty six thousand miles an hour. If you take that and you divide it by a right hand angle, it equals what sixty six thousand, six hundred? You know that that equation. I might have messed it up, but you know I had it wrote down in my notes, I have it in my phone. I don't want to pull it up. I might end up on you. But you know that equation, you know, Yeah, it's twenty three and then minus a right angle of ninety you got sixty six point six. Yeah, and it's like, come on, like

what's the chances of this? You know, like like look at it, you know, and then people are like whoa, dude, like what the heck? You know? And then you just start to and then you know, the people that have have been open to it, you know, I just kind of have done what you suggest that I've called kind of followed your protocol of like, you know, just feed them bits and nuggets here,

like I don't want to send them like multiple things in one day. But the people that have been like, oh, that's actually pretty cool, Like I don't mind if you send me some stuff. You know, I'll drop

something once a day or every few days. I'll send them something, whether it's an Eric Dubay video or a link to one of your podcasts or um, you know, something that I read or something from the Bible, and just little bits and pieces here and there, you know, and uh, you know, for me, these are some of the ones that that that at least for me, like kind of got me going, you know,

where I was like whoa. Like you know, like you always ask people like what if you had an opportunity to talk to somebody, you know, what would and you had them their attention in an elevator ride for a few minutes. You know, what would be some of the things that you would bring up right? Yea, And for me, like, these are some and I'd like to ask them back and forth with you on these, you know. Uh so one of them for me is planes flying right, how

does that work with a spinning ball? Right? So, for instance, and a lot of people I've got people with this, they're like, whoa, dude, that doesn't make sense because, like, so, let's say you take off from LA and you fly to New York. Right, the Earth is supposedly spinning eastwardly underneath us. So if you're flying from LA to New York and the Earth is spinning underneath you, and you're traveling at five hundred miles an hour in an airplane, is should take you a lot longer

of flight time to get to New York. But the flight times, if you look at him, give or take a few minutes here or there, whether you're flying from LA to New York or New York to LA, there's not much variation in the time. When if you were flying from LA to New York, your flight should be a lot longer if the Earth's spinning underneath you, and vice versa. If you're flying from New York to LA that your flight time should be much shorter, cut in half, perhaps because the

Earth's spinning underneath you as you fly, you know. And then you get into talking about things like the Red Bull Jump, which, by the way, I think was here in the deserts of New Mexico. Right, yeah, that's right. Yeah. So the guy was up in the air for what they said, three hours, and when he came back down, he's still were right, He's there for three hours, and if the Earth is moving at a thousand miles per hour, he should have landed. I'm trying

to remember which way that the Earth spins ocean. Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. He would have landed in the Pacific Ocean. It's just, uh, it's insane. Maybe he would have got lucky and landed in Hawaii. Oh yeah, but but George, remember now, it's relative to your perspective, and because of gravity in the ions and an atmosphere were pulling

him along with the Earth as it as it rotated. Like yeah, sure, whatever, pal, Yeah, even I think the guy was what was he at one hundred and ten thousand feet or one hundred and twenty thousand feet. Yeah, I think it is a yeah, one hundred over one hundred thousand feet, I believe. Yeah, it's just it's just ridiculous. And

then another big one. I think it's important when when you explain a newbie to the flat Earth, to a newbie, make sure you have that picture of the actual surface and kind of explain and this is the hard part. This is Antarctica all the way around, not a little continent on the bottom. And then ask him go to Google what is the tallest continent in the world, and it's it's not even close. Antarctica is the highest, and

again it's not even close. And then you have the Captain Cook story, which, if I remember correctly, according to them their math, Antarctica is thirteen thousand, seven hundred miles in circumference. But Captain Cook took him three and a half years and he said sixty thousand miles and it's just it's not even close. Yeah, well he did. Because people will be like and I tell people that too, They're like, well, how do people fly around the world. I'd be like, yeah, people, if I draw

a circle on the table, I can make a circle. I could fly. I could make circles around it with my finger, you know, that's flying around the Earth. I was like, has anybody they've flown over the North Pole? But has anybody flown over Antarctica? And there? And no, you know, they won't even let you get below the sixtieth parallel. And then you get to like what are they hiding down there? And then you teach them about the ice shelf, and then that can lead into things

like the tides of the ocean. You know, like that could possibly be to what causes the tides because it's not gravity, right, So but what a cool one that I learned with that And this isn't even my top three, but we'll kind of go down this rabbit hole since you brought it up. You know. It's like, okay, so we have huge bodies of fresh water in this world. How come they don't have tides? You know? But then you learn about the oceans and they have what and I'm salt?

They're salonized right right? And if the if the if the sun is a positive you know, a positive charge and the moon is a negative charge, and the waters salinize will salts reacting to those charges and it's causing the tides in the ocean. And I tell people to think about the sun and the moon. If they say the Sun is ninety three million miles away, bros. Away, bro, the moon is two hundred and thirty eight thousand

miles away. That's a big difference, dude. But when you look in the sky, there just happen to be relative in size to one another. Like what is the astronomical chances of that? You can't make it up, dude, It's just it's ridiculous, you know. But I don't want to insult anybody. I never insulted him because I was I was the same way. We've all been that. Yeah, we've all been that person. We've

all been that individual. Yeah even a few months ago. Like I'll joke with my friends who were hit to it now and I'll be like, oh, globe tards and they'll call us lat tards. But like with somebody I'm teaching or trying to hint this stuff. I never I never would insult anybody. But you know, I liked. I just like to crack jokes, and it's just just my nature of who I am as a person, you know, I like, But I would never insult somebody's intelligence, because I

was the same way just a few months ago. I didn't get to this place, you know, until recently. And and really, man, I credit you, George Man, You're You're the main reason why I've got to this place, you know. And then because if it wasn't for you, I never would. And then now, you know, I look at guys like Santos Bonacci, I think it'd be great to have on your show. By the way, I don't know what it is about Santos Bonacci, if it's that Australian accent. And he's a great musician, by the way,

you guys out there should go check out his music. But uh, you know Eric Dubay, you know flat Earth Dave, you know, like all these other personalities in the flat Earth community, and you start to look at, you know, the material that they're presenting, and man, there's some people out there doing some significant work. And I always get a kick out of it, you know when they when they go after the poster boy and Neil de Grass you know, you're always you're always putting him on blast too,

bro, And I love it, man, I love it. And you know, I think Santos Bonacci too just recently came out with a video and he uh, he challenged somebody and he said, then thousand dollars to provide me a real He'll we'll take it to the highest court of law, and if we have to, we'll take it to the highest court. And

he's talking about the courts of heaven, you know. Like he's like, he's like, but if you can provide me real concrete poop, a real photograph of the round earth, He's like, I'll give you ten thousand dollars. And he's like, and we'll sign a contract. And he's like, it's a standing offer. It's out there. You know. You got guys like Eric Dubay and supposedly like Joe Rogan was gonna, you know, host a debate between him and Neil de grass and that never happened. You know

what, because they they're ducking and dodging. Bro, they can't they know the loo Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll they'll look like fools, you know, because it just doesn't stand up. It just does Well, a lie will never stand up to the truth, right, that's right. And Neil de grass Tyson is nothing more than a failed actor. That's all. He is. Oh and Bill Nye the science guy. Yeah, that's that's another

guy back in. It was after my time, but I think in the mid nineties, uh, they started having all the TV's in the classrooms and every day started with a five or ten minute clip of Bill and I the science guy. Yeah, you know, and I never liked him, even if even before I was into this stuff, I'd always be like, this guy gets on my nerves, a squirrely, pencil neck geek, like I don't know, he just got It's like some people irritate you, you know,

like he always irritated me. I don't know why I found him cringey. Yeah, he was all about himself. Yeah, but you know, back back to the you know, back to the subject, and we'll get back to it. You know. Another one of my favorites is, you know, how about the long bodies of water, you know, and like the Nile River, how it only changes like a foot and it runs nine hundred miles. You know, we could talk about rail systems and you know

how they're shooting lasers across these VaSID distances. These photographs taken with ke nine hundred and p one thousand cameras and they're bringing things into zoom, you know. And I have a friend and and uh, he's open minding, he's been entertaining. He's not sold yet. He's probably one of the toughest nuts of cracking. I don't know if I never will. And I'll give him. He's a real Christian. He's a real Christian man, a real one of my best friends. He's not sold yet, but you know, we've

been and he keeps talking to me about things. Some of the things I haven't been able to answer, Like I don't have an answer for the time zones right now. I did watch one today from Mark dou Bay on I think it was The Seasons, How the seasons work, And I was like, wow, I would like to see some information on the time zone. So if any guys can explain how the time zones really work, I'd like the more information on that. But you don't know how many times zones there

are? Yeah, I don't know. Uh yeah, wow, see I didn't even know that. Yeah, I just would like more information on that. Just something that I saw, you know, it could help me and uh, you know, kind of showing my buddy. But uh, you know, the one thing that he did then, and I didn't have an

answer for it. And it came to me today because he sent me a picture and it was somebody that was taking a flat Earth image, and of course like, uh, they zoom in and uh they can zoom it back into focus, right, But it was taken from one hundred feet and then it was taken at six speed. And he's like, yeah, you can see it clearly with the one at one hundred feet, but the one at

six feet it's cut off at the bottom. But I forgot what that That rule is where the light refracts, right, it explains like, oh, I think I wrote it down here in my notes. You know what I'm talking about the light we're at a distance as somebody's walking away from you. Because of your perspective and the way the light beings coming down, it'll appear as if the bottom happened. Then people say that's the curve. That's yeah, it's it's mainly your perspective. Yeah. Yeah, so that actually explains

that, but I didn't. I didn't really understand that because he's like, well, there's still there's still being blocked up. Yeah, but look at the distance, you know what I mean? And how they're bringing it into focus. But it's just the perspective, the way the light's breaking on the Yeah, it's the law of like perspective with the light, the way the lights shining down. Yeah. And that nine one thousand cameras really changed the way flat earth was accepted. That played a huge part in it, because

we can simply see too far. Yeah, you know, and and and you could see too far. And then they're building these vast rail systems. They're building these canals and these bridges, and these engineers aren't bringing anything into the table about that has anything to do with adjustments for curvature none. You

know, like that would be pretty important, wouldn't it. Absolutely? And the same with you know, in addition to that, the planes airplanes, Right, if you're flying from let's say Detroit to Mississippi, somewhere in Mississippi, you should have to account for the earth, just like you were talking about the the Red Bull Jump. Why don't they account for the earth spinning? Back in the day, before they ever even had GPS, the only

thing they would account for was windage, right. Everything else was just compass right, and they would guide their way there. It's and of course they're never you would think if you're going south that you'd have to continually to tip your nose down. That never happens as well. And it seems like sometimes and again this is going back to before we allowed ourselves to lower our shield a little bit and look into it, is these are the things that we

kind of outthink ourselves because we've been so indoctrinated. It's just like, that's impossible. Come on now, yeah, exactly, you know, And yeah, you would think about it if you're flying from a place directly north and south, right, and we know that understand the flat earth map. We understand that the north poles the center and everything south goes down and it slopes down into the ice wall, right and it makes a cup which retains the

world's water, you know. And but yeah, if you were flying north and flying south and the earth spinning, you would constantly be having to tilt your brain plane to the left so you can glide along with it to make it to your suddenly destination. You could have just fly straight south, you

know. And same thing they always talk about how they fly with the nose up, you know, Um, they with their nose up if they never according to the Earth's curvature, if if if they had to adjust for curvature and flying around the globular Earth, we would just find out of space, right they would. Yeah, they would have to constantly, they would constantly have to be pointing there their noses of their of their airplanes down, you

know. And there's been people that have taken video footage in the pilots chamber, you know, and they're talking to these pilots, and they had the pilots on Earth admitting to them that they believe that they're Earth this flat, you know, and then you go and look at you That's another thing that was another big one for me was when you get into looking at NASA's training

manuals. You look at the Air Force training manuals and the aviation manuals, and they're all from the government, and they all time and time again landing on a flat, non rotating surface, landing on a flat, non rotating surface like it. Why would they say that just for ships and giggles part of my friends, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense because in the military we said train as you fight, so you should trade exactly as how the real word situation would be exactly. Yeah, you know, it's just it's

funny. That's funny to me. So those are some big ones. Those are some big ones for me. So you know people out there that are you know, ministering, you know, biblical flat Earth, you know level playing to your friends and you're kind of struggling. You know, those were some that were that that kind of clicked the light bulb on for me. So you know, those are those are ones that you can try. The other one that was huge for me too was the firmament. You know,

the firmament is huge. And you know, me and you have been talking back and forth and you've been asking people, Hey man, I want other people to get their voices in this community, and you know I have. You know, I feel like I wanted to do a podcast before. I was going to do another podcast. Just recently, I bought some equipment and some microphones and and I was going to get it going. Like I said, I used to do underground wrap, and I used to perform shows,

and I used to get in rap battles. So you know, I'm like, I'm I feel like I'm built for this. But I was going to do a podcast about paranormal and and you know, I was going to sprinkle in Conspiracies and I was gonna interview people about but there's so many of those podcasts out there, and I got so busy, and I had so many life things happen. It just never happened. But now I realized it wasn't what God wanted me to do. And now I really feel like God's been

pointing me in this direction. Sorry, my dog's barking. You know, I feel like God's really been appointing me in this direction. And you know the other day, you reached out and you said something on one of your programs and you're like, hey, man, I would love people to to fill up some of these time slots, you know, and you know, produce little mini podcasts or do you this and that? And I was like, you know what, it hit me. I was like, man,

I still have the itch to do that. I was like, you know, maybe I want to do I want to do a podcast about this, and you know what, I'm going to launch it off. And I was thinking about calling my podcasts firma mental like the firmament, but mental like having

a firm mind. But ferma mental, rightma fermamental? You know. So I'm gonna get this going, you know, and uh, and you know, hopefully me and you we can talk some more off air, and uh, you can give me some pointers and and you know, it's something that I want to do, and i'd like to produce like probably like three to five episodes just so I have some stacked up to release. But you know, here down the line, I plan on releasing these things. So maybe

it's something that we can get going. And you know, I already I just built like one of those new Spotify podcaster accounts and I did all the

framework for it, but uh, I haven't launched it off yet. So anybody out there too that wants to reach out to me and has good ideas or can help me out with some like uh graphic art, you know, because I have an idea of maybe something cool like you know how they depicted like the firmament and Sheol and the earth, like the old the depiction of I would like to do that with like a brain inside of it, you know, like firmamental Like that would be the logo for my podcast, because

right now I just got a brain. Well, I can guarantee you there's a listener out there who has sent me some things and of tinker with my logo. And obviously I don't have his name in front of me right now, but there are some really talented art folks in our community. I'm sure you'll hear. And by the way, folks rules email as always, his email will be in the show description. It's Raoul dot Hilliard fifty five at proton dot me. So again, his email address will be in the show

description. Yeah, thank you so much, you know, And I just appreciate you and respect you so much, you know, and the fact that you're a veteran and I love fact Hunter, brother, I love fact Hunter, and you know, you go ham you know, I won't say what that acronym means, but you go ham Man. But you keep it always cool and calculated. And I just respect you so much and and it's it's such a pleasure to get to talk to you. I'm so excited about this,

and I'm excited about Hey, i'mna be quiet. No, don't sorry, because he's like playing video games and these doors open that on him may

now, buddy, No. But so anyways, back to this. You know, um, you know we were talking off air before this, before we got going, you know, and I was telling you about this, and I've been contacting you know and and telling you, and you know you've been so supportive, and I know you you want to get other people involved in the community because you know, it's just like preaching the gospel or or or sharing God's word, right Like You're going to be able to reach people

that I would never be able to reach, and I'm gonna be able to reach people you would never be able to reach, and so and so out there, you know, is going to be able to reach people that you and I would never be able to reach. But all of us together, man, we can do tremendous work. And you know, I look at like the paranormal community and like the big foot Sasquatch community and all these other you know, online podcasting communities. They're so cutthroat and they cut down one

another. And like I've seen the flat Earth community and it's so different, man, And it really is tremendous, because how can something be evil or something be perverse when it's bringing so many people into picking up their Bible and reading it and bringing people back into faith with Jesus Christ. And you told me, you know, something beautiful before we got going now. And I'm

not going to share that because that's up for you to share it. But you know, you did mention to somebody reaching out to you and just telling you, crying out to you about like how your podcast has led them to know Christ and now they have this new fervor for life and they're not you

know, abusing drugs and alcohol anymore. And you know, it's like situations like this that are just amazing and tremendous, and you know, I just want to speak to people's hearts out there and I want to you know, like you know, the Christ and he wants to speak you know, this into you because I think it's important, you know, And that's people always say, well, why does it matter? Bro? What does it matter whether whether it's been and round and round and it's round or whether it's level.

And I'm gonna be like, dude, because it's all based in a lie. Yeah, it's all based in a lie. If you could get people convinced that this is the truth, then it feeds into all this sciences religion and they can think, make have you convinced that you're insignificant and that you don't matter? But if you could have this revelation that you are divinely created, and you were created by Him for him. You're protected with the

firmament underneath you. You stand on an immovable earth with the God who is the same now and forever till eternity, and he yearns to have a relationship with you. He wants nothing more than for you to get to intimately know him and drawing near to him, and you know, doors will open up that you never thought would open up before. Like God is tremendous brother. I just love Jesus so much, or you know, I call him yes while you know, And and it's funny because I haven't, you know,

up so recently, I hadn't even been going to church. You know, I was a believer, and I would still talk to people and I would you know, you know, when I was working security, I was doing a lot of patrol and doing like retail crime stuff, and you know, I'd encounter a lot of people that were on drugs and stealing, and and you know, I used to find little opportunities to share, you know, the gospel with people, you know, and I've I've had some victory stories,

you know, and and I'm not afraid to step out and faith when the time's right. I don't like to be one of those you know, hellfire and damnation or you're going to hell, you need to meet Jesus or you know, I do it when I feel the spirit moving and that opportunity presents itself, or you know, I just try to live my life and and be happy and maintain a level of positivity. And people always ask me, like, bro, how could you be so you know, how can

you be so happy? You look at all the stuff that's going on, and I'd be like, bro, I'm walking around in victory because I know who. I know. My Daddy's winning this game, like I you know, I know we got things. But that's the thing that the devil uses is this fear as tool. And you know that's the thing about the round Earth. You know, there's so much fear that can come out of this.

Right. They can sell us that we're you know, we're under We could be under threat of an alien invasion at any time, or a meteor from outer space can come and slam into the Earth at any time, and you know, global warming and all this stuff, and it's just just anxiety. And I tell people all the time, dude, you gotta turn off the news. Me. If I get this podcast going, I'm gonna have to start some sort of social media just to promote it. But I haven't

done zero social media for five years. It's been good from my relationship with my woman, and you know, and I've turned off the news. I did for a minute, get caught up in the whole Trump and Biden thing, you know, and then you know, it tore apart my family, you know, my woman's family, like and then of course the fact that we were unvaccinated. It hurt, bro It hurt at one time, yea. You know, they didn't invite us to the family union and all this

stuff. And I was hurt, you know, and I got kind of bitter. But God started speaking to me, dude, and he started telling me, let it go and let me, let me take control, like, let go, stop putting your faith in man. Ain't no man gonna come and save you. Put your faith in me. I'll stay with you,

you know. And I let go and I let God and I focus on what I can control, which is the people I encounter on a day to day basis, my relationship with my kids, my relationship with my woman, the people in my community and the people who you know, things I can control. I can't control what's going on, you know, with the World Health Organization or our economy or the war in Ukraine or who's gonna be our next president. You know, like what's gonna happen is gonna happen,

you know, and I need to focus on what I can control. And like like you always talk about, you know, being smart, getting prepared, you know, like I've been starting to invest my money, Like, think about investing in still over in gold, you know, think about staring up a garden and learning how to garden. You know, go take your kids fishing, you know, uh, go learn how to hunt game.

You know, tangible skills that that are real life, that connect you with Mother Earth and nature, and let go of all the rest of that crap man, because it's polluting your mind. And really, what we feed our minds and our souls is really affects how we operate. And it's been proven through science. You know that your mentality literally affects your health. You know.

Like so you know, they've diagnosed, they've misdiagnosed people and they weren't even stick with what they got diagnosed with but because they actually believed they had it, they thought themselves to death. That's right, That's right, you know. And that's that's that's what the enemy's doing. He's using fear as a tool to control the masses. So it's fear of the COVID, fear of the next thing that's coming out, fear of the right wing extremists,

you know, fear, fear the insurrectionists. You know these these uh, these they don't love America. They're they're national terrorists, and you know all this stuff. Man, it's just like NonStop you know, and conquer. Yeah, and and and they're so easy to see, they're so easy to sniff out. Like all these events is probably an episode for back Hunter, but I don't want to get into. But you know, when all these things, all these things happen, and I think we can talk about doing

a back Hunter together. But you know, all these things happen, right, And it's like once you start to see it through this lens, you can sniff out. Your bullcrap meter goes ding ding ding ding ding ding, like you know what I mean. And and and then you start to dig just a little bit and you're like, wow, like this is so scripted, you know, and they're just using this and if one event doesn't work

to them, move right onto the next one. And I remember being young and it was like, you know, maybe something catastrophic happened every once every three months or you know, a few times a year. Now it's every single day there's some major event. There's some major catastrophe, there's a potential

out of some new disease. There's war, there's spam and there's pestilence, there's crazy storms, there's you know, all these global events geopolitics, Like it's just you know, um and some of the other extreme movements that are going on. You know, like, I gotta call it for what it is. You know, I don't have any problem with any human being. I'm not your creator, I'm your brother. You know, God does love us all. But I'm not gonna sit here and be like yo, lgbt

QA. Plus you know it's okay, Like a man breastfeeding a baby, that's okay. No man, it's not okay. That's child abuse. Ye. Well, I'm gonna call it what it is. You know, we're not normalizing this. It's a budary of God's creation. Is what it is. Yeah, you see the Dodgers, they had that group I just mentioned yesterday on the They were invited, then disinvited, and then invited again.

It's just nobody has a spine anymore. Nobody has. And listen, Los Angeles has a huge is a huge Latino community, a huge Catholic community, and of course they ended up bowing to the zero point one percent. Yeah, exactly, you know, and then they wonder why, you know, Budweiser loses billions of dollars, Target loses billions of dollars, and the new Little Mermaid movie flops, like, you know, stop catering to this small percentage, you know, But they would have us believing that they are the

mass. And listen, man, I have people that I personally know that are in the LGBTQ community. And if they're adults and they're leading that lifestyle, that's their deal, that's their business. But when you start pushing that stuff on the children, I have a big problem with it. And that's where I draw the line, you know. And I'm not your maker. I have my own sins that I would have to answer for. I have my own things that I had to work on and Listen, God didn't choose

me when I was perfect. I didn't have to get cleaned up and then come to God like He chose me when I was in some filth. Brother, Like, I used to be a pretty dirty guy. You know. I had an alcohol and cocaine addiction and sexual addictions and all kinds of stuff going on in my life. I was far from being worthy of God's kingdom. But you know what, God loved me at that in that time, that's when he pulled me into his kingdom. And he didn't say you have to get right to get me. No, he got me and got me

right. That's all. Yeah, and that and that's what That's what I tell these people, you know, Like you know, I've had an opportunity to talk to some people in that community, and it's like, hey, look, you can come to church and me. You're not gonna we're not gonna run you out, like we're not gonna tell you you have to change right there or try to cast demons out to you. I just want to introduce you to the Lord and then whatever he convicts you of, that's you're

in his business. You work on that in your own time. But at least come get to know him because he is the way, the truth, and the life. That's right. I couldn't say it any better myself. And you know, going back to what you were saying about the news cycle, one of the first big stories that I recall, I guess I would have been ten years old, was of course the Jim Jones thing and Guyana. You know, eight hundred people drinking. That's where drinking the kool aid

came from. That led the news cycle for weeks, I mean weeks on end, it led headline news. Now something is in the news and it's gone within twenty four hours with a you know, the fires of Canada. I mean, it's always something every single day. And we talk about the blessings of technology. Well that the people the you know that the controllers,

the Luciferians, they they always pervert the things that we create. And that's what they've done with the Internet between you know, the pornography sites and of course using that as a communication weapon, right um, with social media and everything else. They use it against us. You know, they always lead the headlines. You never see you know, a man saves cat where you know, a guy saves a person from being hit by a car. Everything in the news is all negative and it's to keep us in a great state

of fear. Um, so we want to lean on man for help when the time comes. That's how they control us through fear, like you were saying. And there's a fine line which I have to do as well, especially with my other podcasts of being there's a fine line between being uninformed and misinformed. You kind of want to keep privy to what's going on in the world, but you have to be very You have to have a lot of discernment where you pull the info from. Yeah, correct, you know.

And I heard something great and it just clicked in my head and I want to share with you. I don't know if I heard it on your podcast or someone else, but it would be great to be reiterated anywhere. But I think I heard it somewhere else. Sure, But there was a teaching that I heard, and it talked about how did David slay Goliath? Right, So everybody thinks that he killed him by hitting him in the head with a rock, right right, No, he knocked him out with a rock.

He actually killed him with his own sword. So he used the enemy's own weapon against him to take him out so we can use some of the tools that the devil using, we can use them to fight school against him, like we're doing right now, brother, exactly, you know, and that that exactly then that's what we're doing. And that's why. You know. Um, I don't know if I mentioned it. You know, I think we talked about it off air, But did I already talk about you

know, how the I woke up at the same time three times. That was before the podcast. Go ahead and tell that story. It's incredible. Yeah, so, uh for the listeners out there, you know, before me and George, we just did a quick little rundown before we got to recording, and I was letting him know, like, you know, something

weird happened to me. And you know, I always want to make sure that I'm being obedient to God and doing what he wants me to do, you know, and I don't want I don't want to make it about me. I'm sorry my other lines ringing, but I'm obviously going to ignore it. But yeah, so I don't want to make it about me, right, I want to serve the Lord. So I said a prayer and I asked him, you know, is this something that you want me to do? Is this in your will? Lord? Is this? Is this really

what I should be doing? You know, show me a sign, give me a sign that you're you're okay and you're behind me. And I believe the Lord gave me confirmation. So three nights in a row before, you know, three nights ago, I woke up at three twenty six am. The night after that, which would have been night number two, I woke up at three twenty six am. And then this morning before the day I went on your show, I woke up at what time? Three twenty six

am? So the third time it happened, I'm like, this is not a coincidence, you know, like, okay, Lord, what are you trying to show me? What's the significance of three and twenty six? And obviously I went into the Google machine, but I just put typed in. I said, what's the significance of three and twenty six in the Bible? And this verse popped up immediately. It's Proverbs three twenty six and says for the Lord will be at your side, and we'll keep your foot from being

snared. Do not withhold good from those to whom it's due. When it is in your power to act. There was my confirmation. He's like, don't withhold this information and this good food for people, for you to share with people, go out and act upon it. Boom. I was like, that's confirmation, man, this is the ordained by God. I'm supposed to do this. And I got super excited. Yeah, I'll tell you

man. I've said many times, if we want to make a difference as a community, and again going back to what you're saying, getting more people who listen. There's a lot of people in this community that are smarter than me, that younger can present better. They're just a little nervous. I've always said, if we really want to make a big difference, because it takes an army to move a mountain, right, it takes an army to build a village, we have to do things that we may not be comfortable

with. For a lot of people, public speaking and those type of things are difficult. It's it's a difficult thing to overcome. And the more people who stand up and kind of say these things, and we always talk about the big the big question is how because look this, you know, flat earth. They've put they've invested so much time effort in the money into this psychological operation, this SI up and it's our job to figure out what is

the key to unlock people's minds. And I've been working on the other night. I told you I wanted to make a two minute video with business cards and a website and something that's really catchy and just is enough to get them to dig a little deeper. It ended up turning into a thirty eight minute video, and I said, well, I'm just going to drop this and I'll start again later. But that's the excited man. I want to watch that thirty eight minutes. It's it's on YouTube and it's on the Rumble my

front files channel that I just put it out there the other night. It's just kind of a compilation of videos. It's not just flat Earth. It's a little bit about all the lives of our government in the history. It's about forty minutes. Um, oh, I'm gonna watch that tonight. Yeah. Actually, I think it might be on my fact Hunter rumble channel. I'm not sure. There's about ten minutes a flat Earth. Yeah, check it out. It's on the fact Hunter one for sure. But it's just,

you know, everything is a lie. Satan deceives. That's what he does. So yeah, I wanted to ask you this, by the way, you said about the tenth episode you you bought in you were kind of a flat earth, or how did it? How did it change you as a person? Did you go back and did you interpret the Bible differently? Obviously you kind of mentioned you did taking things literally versus like you were saying, picking and choosing, you know, what was word and what wasn't.

Yeah. Correct, So it definitely did change at least my perspective, you know. And I started to look at things that like, you know, like the story of Joshua, like I said, like the sun and the moon stopping, Like how is that possible with gravity? Like it doesn't make sense? Right, So like, either that really happened and he's telling us a real story and he really made that you know, heavenly phenomenon happened and it played out just the way it says in his word, or is it

a A four? Is it? This is it that? You know? And people will try to like use science or they'll use our stolar system model and they'll say, well, like go, yeah, the Big Bang still happened, but it was still divine me created by God. Like, no, man, you can't cherry pick the Bible. You can't make it fit. You're a narrative. It's God's word, his word, not ours for

us to pervert. Like to me, this is just me personally. I've come to believe and I just believe it's something that God's been revealing to me that when he tells us these things, he means it. And you know, like I said, I was into extraterrestrials. I was in the ancient astronaut theory. I was into reading Zachariah stitching, I read Chariots of the Gods. I do believe in the Book of Enoch, but I just look

at it from a little bit slightly of a different perspective. Now, you know, I don't necessarily think that they're these dude, I have a tattoo on my leg right, it's a it's an extraterrestrial pharaoh. You know, Like I was hardcore into this stuff, you know, And you know, now I just look at it differently. You know, it's just slightly changed

my point of view to a more biblical narrative. And like I used to Genesis six makes a great point and and I know on one of your upcoming podcasters interviewing the guy that wrote Genesis six n Lock Yeah, Gary Wayne, July twenty five, Oh, I can't wait for that man. Yeah. So, I think Genesis six answers a lot of these questions, you know, about the Nephelim and the remnants and some of these giants, because dude, there is remains of giants. Absolutely, they keep them under lock and

key. You know, the Smithsonian Jesuit Foundation has them under lock and key, which, by the way, where you pointed out their logo is the Smithsonians logos like the Jesuit logos, you know, and you just look at these things and it makes sense, you know, Like I think that these

creatures did exist at one time because what the the fallen angels? You know, we're playing with what genetics, and they were met seem with genetics, and they were perverting what God had made and making something different, and God sought as an abomination. So we wipe them out with the flood. Right now, it says in the end times, he won't destroy it by water, He'll destroy it by fire. Now how that plays out, I don't

know, you know, I don't know. I don't have all the answers, but I you know, I do think that prophecies playing out before our eyes, and especially when you see things, you know, everything is a perversion, you know, like like you know, the rainbow, it's not I'm sorry, but it's not lg What represents lgbt q A plus and whatever they keep batting on it. It represents the covenant that he made with us that he wouldn't flood the earth again. That's what it really means, you

know. And they take things that are beautiful and they and they twist them and make them about something else. And you know, that's what this whole journey has really showed me. And to bring it back to like flat Earth, and like how you said, it changed my outlook on things. You know, it really just it wasn't that. My face wasn't strong before it was. You know, I've had things happen to me where I called out

on his name, and I've seen entities move away from me. I won't get into it, but you know, I've had strange things happen to me in life. You know, I've had close calls. I've had you know, a lot of friends and loved ones die around me and I've gotten confirmation that there is more to life than just this physical realm that we walk around in. But so I always I've always had faith because God shown me things.

But you know, this just was further proof. Like when you just really realize, like you don't have to take this beautiful thing that God made and make it something else. Like it's so beautiful the way it is,

Like why did they feel the need to change it? You know, like why did they have to make this extravagant, you know, a story and it is it's so hard for people to accept because people want to think like, oh, Star Wars is ill, or there's a chance that we can go to Mars or you know, like, uh, you know, I'm a trek e man, you know, like I'm a Star Wars fan, and like I I can't accept this, dude. This has been like I look at my house. It's decorated with Star Wars memorabilia all over, you

know what I mean. I got Simpsons stuff all over, dude. You know they they'd had the dome in there, and they had the nine to eleven on the bus report and you know, like like all this stuff with the twin towers and It's like it's like, you know, I still indulge in some of these early because I can't stay in the rabbit hole twenty four seven, like you always say, Yeah, you know, I still like I still like my Bread and Circus sometimes, but you know, you start

to see things differently. I watched movies differently, I listen to music differently. I consume things, I see things, I notice things, and I'm always like, hey, my girl gets so annoyed because I'm always rewinding and pause. Did you that you know what that means right there? You know? And I'm always pointing things out, and you know, I know my kids laugh at me, and sometimes they can be annoying, but I know they appreciate me, and I know they appreciate what I'm showing them. And

it's funny. Dude, my five year old son, he's always like his favorite podcast and I was Flat Earth Files. You got a five year old fan. Wow, shout out to Troy, Yeah, like what do you want to listen to? You know what, I'm not listening to music, And he's all, yeah, you hear that. Troy George has told you hello, but uh, he's actually coming home right now. He's opening the gate, but I'm gonna watch the back so I don't get. But anyways, yeah, you know it's it's awesome, and uh, you know I

still consume some of that stuff. You know, I can't. I can't just stay stuck on this stuff because you know, you need to break away. From time to time. I like to watch UFC and you know, I'll watch the NBA playoffs and you know, like I still like some of that stuff, but I just I don't get so it's not the most important

thing to me like it used to be. Like I remember when I was young, you know, I was a huge Phoenix Stuns fan, and like when Charles Barkley lost to Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals, I cry, you know, like I would never be that wrapped up in it, you know anymore. Yeah, for sports takes a whole new meaning. You don't get emotionally invested like you used to in movies. It's it's the same way for us. We're looking for you know, instead of watching the plot and

everything, we're looking in the background. We're looking at the clocks. We're like, oh, there's another globe and things like that. One thing I did want to kind of backtrack on because I'm going over my notes here. You had mentioned, yea in that area where you live, that seems to be where all the sightings and UFOs and obviously area fifty ones out that way.

Of course, that's kind of been an extension of JPL and NASA and Space Force that whole area out there, and people need to realize if I'm sure a lot of our folks listening do understand, but the founding folks of NASA, we're occultist Jack Parsons and if you folks have never heard of Babylon working, go research. I think I did a podcast a year go on it on my other podcast, the Occult between Jack Parsons, l Ron Hubbard, and Alistir Crawley. All these people were all one and the same.

So the early Helena Blovotsky, Yes, yes, exactly, just uh, it's it's it's crazy, yeah, you know, And it's funny that you mentioned in these things. But like New Mexico so much like Duel Say is infamous with with uh with Truthers, right, you know Phil Schneider crrect the one that said they were digging and the extraterrest. Yeah, he was the the underground base guy right, yeah, yeah, he was missing digits from his hand and then he ended up they ended up killing him, you know.

Um, you know they talked. Of course, this is where Roswell happened. This is where they tested the atomic bomb. We have Sandia Labs, we we have the the Los Alamos labs. You know, this is where they worked on all that technology. This is where they had they built the the space X, the spaceport. You know, like there is a lot of spiritual energy here, you know, and without getting into it, dude, but like you know, and now I think it was something else.

You know, it could be styops or it could be demonic too, you know, like or you know you've heard a project blue beam, Like, my god, they could project images in the sky. I think in the end times, that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna stage and this

is just what I think. I think they might possibly stage an alien invasion and then people that don't know the truth, they're gonna be so scared and mind blown, and they're gonna have this cosmic war going on in the Catholic Church, or somebody's gonna step up to the plate and be like, oh, these are our gods and they're gonna make peace with them, and like, you know, some kind of grand deception is happening, you know. And I could see something like that playing out and I did like it.

Me, my woman and my best friend we were on his land and dude, we saw what the only thing that you could say would be like a like a a ufo, like two super Walmarts backed on top of each other. Man, it was the scariest, strangest thing that's ever happened to me, deep in the woods of northern New Mexico. And it was it was strange, but you know what, it's just, uh, it's led me

into researching various things and eventually led me to where I'm at now. And you know, I used to think of back then, like you know, um, I believe extra I don't think that's a mass hallucination. I just think that maybe these extraterrestrials, you know, they're they're the fallen ones, you know, or and they have they have powers that we can't perceive because they come from the heavenly realms and their eternal beings and right now we're living

in the flesh. You know, I don't know, I don't have all these explanations, and I don't have all the answers. But you know, I'll tell you one thing. I don't believe that we are going to be invaded by like beings from a far, far away galaxy. No, I

just don't buy that anymore, of course not. And and that is again, they may pull something off like that because they certainly have the technology in this day and age, and um, they have prepared people's minds for the last one hundred years via Hollywood. So and I think people would be excited by it in a weird way. Some people would, you know, well, look at it, and then when was it in the twenties when they broadcast that crap on the radio and some people nineteen thirty eight or thirty nine

the War of the World's orson welles, Yeah see. And you know, so I think there will be people that will be excited. There will be people that will lose their minds. There will be people that commit suicide, there will be You're gonna have a whole host of things going on. It's gonna be strange, you know. But I know one thing what I'm gonna do is I'm going to read the science of what they are, and if I'm still around, I don't know the rapture or whatever. I don't know's

it's all playing out in front of us. Brother. All I know is that when that happens, man, the first thing I'm going to do is start praying in His Holy name and ask for a discernment and and I believe the Holy Spirit will show us who are really connected to it and who know Christ. Intimately we won't fall for that deception, man. No, absolutely. And you know I ask a lot of people all the time if you

had a choice, and I'd like to ask the listeners right now. I'm not sure if I ever asked this on the air before on this particular podcast. Now i'll address this to you. I know your answer is going to be, but there's a lot of people who don't. I don't know. I'm just going to put it this way. If you had the opportunity to take a pill that completely reversed everything when you became we'll say red pill. Is that something you would ever consider? I know you're gonna say no,

But I know there's a lot of people out there. I wonder if there's certain things because people do go awful far down into the rabbit hole, and I get emails all the time, and I'm kind of the same way, like I have a lot of acquaintances, but like this conversation that you and I are having right now, that's this isn't a conversation I have with people here in my town or with outside of my wife, my family, you

know where I'm coming from. Yeah, yeah, you know what's crazy is I I don't just go off culin because I don't want to look like a maniac, you know what I mean, or draw you know, und attention to myself because you know, one thing I've learned, you know, when I was younger, and like before, when I've had this you know, encounter that I thought was bigfoot and I had that uf ol encounter, I go around blurting it out to everybody, like check this out, and I

read this book and this is what I was saying. I would just I was just throwing stuff out there, and people be like, dude, role he's on one. He's a whack, you know. But I've learned to pull back the reins, you know. And now I've learned, like the Bible says, you know, I don't cast pearls before swines, and I

only share it with people that I know are worthy of sharing it. But in this, in this community, you know, and with your listeners, this is a totally comfortable platform where I could feel like I could let my guard down and talk about these things and be myself and what I really feel, because you know, I think you're doing something tremendous here, and you know I really don't. I really don't value people's opinions. You know that

that aren't in my intimate circle. You know, like you can think whatever you want to think about me, but I know not to just go blurting out this information to anybody, like I pick and choose who to share it with. And you know, the Holy Word says, you know, some people will be intentionally blinded, you know, and people's hearts will become hardened. And it's not everybody's chosen, and it's a hard thing to understand.

So if you are chosen, and you choose God and you realize you are chosen, you need to realize how intimate and special that is, and you need to wake up every day and be grateful for that because nothing that's presented before you, nothing, And they can threaten us with death. You know. Uh, you know what's awesome is I heard of this about the ancient Christians. Is the Romans used to take them and throw them in the colosseum

and they feed them the lions and tigers. And people would think that, oh, this is we're gonna terrify them, and they're gonna straighten up, and they're just gonna straighten up their act. But those Christians faith were so strong back then that they were volunteering to go into the coliseum and face the

lion. Like if our faith can only be that strong, now, yeah, that's what I want, that faith that's that strong, Like you can threaten me with death, man, I'll go ahead and die a warrior's honorable death from my Lord and become a prince in heaven like you know, yeah, that's we have conviction. That that's you know you're talking we're talking about Shadrack Meshack and a bidden to go a level of conviction in your heart right Well, you know, I I hope I have that, you know,

but I you know, I'm a you know, you're a warrior. Two you you're an next soldier. You know, I have that. I had that spirit in me dude, Like, I'm I know, this is a warfare. We we're in World War three, bro, We're in it. It's just spiritual, financial and digital and and you know, it's it's an attack on our brains, it's a it's an attack on our our children, our lifestyle, you know, and it's a perversion of the truth. And it's normalizing. Uh, you know, everything's in reverse. You know,

what's good is bad and what's bad is good. You know, that's what we're living in. And when you wake up and start to have you But the thing is, people be like, isn't that scary though, isn't that scary? Like, No, it's not. It's free because if you know the yeah, if you know the Bible, Yeah, and you know what Jesus promised us, like we He's gonna save us. He's gonna save us, you know. And I truly, honestly in my heart believe that I

know that I'm a knower, you know. And and it's it's it's things like these and these experiences and and fourging new friendships and relationships with you that that just show me how much more of the Lord's working in these in these final days, you know. Yeah, and if you thought, because my wife kind of went through the same thing you did as far as the JAB as we were talking about earlier. Um, if you thought COVID was tough, wait till they go to the digital dollar and outlaw cash. You know,

they do away with cash. And remember, guys, they did this back in the nineteen thirties. They told everybody to turn in their gold. Um, so this isn't going to be the first time they do something extraordinary like this, and it's gonna happen very quick. And once they you know, once everything is digital, and and if you don't follow along, if you don't play ball, they can just shut you off. And that's really really gonna test people's conviction. You know. Well, I think that's the

mark of the beast, right. It says that if you don't bear that markets, that's very clear that And and I don't understand how people can't see that, you know, and this was how many thousands of years ago? And and it's like that's a coincidence. I don't understand. To me,

it's mind blowing that people can't see that. But it's up to us to do God's work and bring the information to them and the people that are supposed to hear it, they will hear it, and they will receive it and will water those seeds and they will will grow new flowers for the kingdom of

the Lord. You know, and I really believe, you know, like, um, yeah, they're gonna we're gonna be threatened with all this scary stuff and you know, facing starvation, ridicule, you know, not having you know, we're so used to our devices and having all these luxuries. Like I always I'm not a doomsday prepper, but you know, you know, I have some some place and then some land stacked away, and some supplies and some material, and it's okay to have a plan. You know.

I'd rather have and not need than need and not have. I think I said that right, you know exactly, but you know, and uh, I think it's okay to But you know, when you get to know the Lord, He's going to give you signs and wonders. I think that, you know, if if we resist the mark of the Beast, I believe that miracles will happen. You know, I could totally see it. Where like, like you refuse to conform to this system and you're trying to

make it off the grid and you need a meal for your family. Well, God will just let this buck walk right out in the woods and he'll lay right down in front of you. You know, like something like that, Like God will provide for He clothed the lilies of the field beautifully, and he can count every bird in the air. How much more valuable are you to the Lord? You know, like He will provide for you. You just have to have faith. I wanted to ask you, we've got

about ten minutes left. I wanted to ask you when you um took the information and you finally again you you came on board with the flat earth. How did you relay that to your your family and how did they accept it? So I've been having some pretty tremendous success, you know, especially at work. You know, I'm a I'm not gonna say where or sure know, but I'm insecurity, you know, and and there's a there's a facility that I secure and you know, I'm a private security you know, contracted

to watch over this facility. And you know there's some and it's a it's

a classy institution. I'll just say you know what I mean, Um, at least by the world standards, you know, And there's some people that work in this place that you know, I've kind of just dropped little nuggets on and I've become kind of buddies with the manager of this place, and uh kind of just dropped little things here and there, and he's picked up on them, and a couple other people that worked there, and they picked up on him, and I just share like, hey, did you know

this? And I kind of start off with like, you know, asking them, hey, you know, just hey, you you might if asked you a few questions and be like, hey, how far is the sun away? You know? Oh you didn't know, Well it's ninety three million miles away, And then just start doing little things and showing them a little equations and then tell him, hey, you know, like just mess with him because I like to mess with people and like in a fun way, you know, and be like, hey, did you know do you think

we landed on the moon? And some of them be like yeah. I'd be like, come on, man like, and then I start telling them about like, dude, go check this out here. You should watch this video. And then and I'd be like is it cool if I send you something? And they'd be like, yeah, I guess, so I'll check it out, you know, and then just like do little things like that here and there, and then they come back to me and they'd be like, bro, I watched that video, dude, be like that's crazy,

man, Like what else do you got? And then just you know, here's a little another little nugget. And like the manager of this place that I work and he's a cool guy. Man, I really like him. He said. He was talking to his sister just the other night and he asked her like he's like, yeah, man, I work with this guy. He's a flat earth or he's been showing me some things and he's like,

man, he's like it's actually pretty interesting stuff. I don't know if I'm sold and I'm there yet, but he's like I'm looking at it. He's like it's it's got my wheels turning. He's like, I'd like you to watch this documentary with me, and she I guess. She told him like that's ridiculous, like come on, like are you kidding me? And he's like, come on, sis, you're open mind and just sit here

and watch it with me. And he said, like about like five ten minutes in the level, he said, you know, like she's just like mind blowing. Afterwards, you know, mouth the gape, like what are you kidding me? Yeah, that's the most important thing is getting somebody to let their guard down for just a few minutes and allow themselves to receive the information. It doesn't take long to just plant that little, you know, seed of doubt. Yeah, and then I have a couple buddies of mine

too, you know, you know, shout out you crazy irishman. My buddy will know who it is. Listen to the podcast you closet flat Earth or you Yeah, mother buddy came out, you know, and I started talking to him and he's like, bro, I've been knowing that. And I'm like what. I'm like, dude, how commute? Ever, because he's like, because why he's all white? Why he's like why He's like, he's like when you want to know, you want to know? You never asked me. I was like, but that's just kind of his personality

is a more private, you know type person. You know. But I've ran into friends that were closet flat earthers and I'm like, bro, come out the closet man. That's awesome. That is so awesome, Yeah, but not the one that's some success. Like I'm sorry, you go ahead, one of the hardest nuts. You know, I have some you know, I listen, I can't commence everybody, and I don't have all the tools. And you know, when it comes down to it, do I

think flat earth is more important than just having faith in Jesus Christ? Absolutely? Not Like just because you don't believe in flat earth, because you know, I'm not gonna say that doesn't make you a non Christian, Like this isn't I'm not starting some cult telling you this is what we have to do and read. No, dude, No, this is the this is the journey that God gave me. This is what he planted on my heart, and it's been a tool that I've been using and it's growing closer to Him.

You know. If it does that for you, great, If it grows into that, if that's Lord's will, then maybe that is maybe if I don't know, you know what we're seeing it play out. But listen, by no means do I think that you know, Um, if you hold on to the solar system model, but you're still a firm believer in and you do the works of Christ, like you're you're good, brother, You're good. A thousands. I'm not out here, you know, but uh, I just think it's something that I that I become passionate about.

And what I think is it's just that's that's what tragic. That's what's tragic about today's society is that people can't just sit down and have a discussion and have different points of vieuse everybody thinks that they have to think the same,

you know. And I heard a great quote from some underground wrapper. I don't even remember who it was, but you know, and he's an African American gentleman, and and you know, like how they try to do all this stuff go blacks and whites can't get along, and systemic racism and critical race theory, and it's just it's of the truth to keep us, yeah, to keep us divided. They don't want us standing together, you know.

And this guy sees right through it. And he said the other day, he's like he's like, yeah, all your brothers and sisters, and and you know, people in the LGBTQ community, you all, you all preach about tolerance and h and acceptance, but you're hypocrites because you can't listen to somebody else who holds a different point of view. And I was like, that's a tremendous point, man, Like, how can you be a champion of diversity when you can't even respect somebody who has a different opinion than

yours. And that goes back to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means being accepted of the speech you lowe the most, allowing them to see if you don't if you don't like it, then don't watch it. If you don't like it, then don't change the channel. Turn it off. Yeah, yeah, change the channel, like you know, you always mentioned it on fact Hundered, like the Communist manifest so like you know, like ross Child said, like give me control of their financial uh, you know,

like their money, and I'll show you controls their government. And then you look at the Communist Manifesto and you look at that, they say like, uh, you know, if you can get ahold of their education system, then you can form their minds over generations. And I forgot the other one that I was going to bring up, if there's another one that they're using in the playbook from the Communist Manifesto, but yeah, you know, uh,

it's just that's that's their playbook, bro, that's their playbook. And they literally and and and people, Well, how can they pull this off? It's because everybody's duped. Everybody's were so generations deep. It's hard to undo all this programming, you know. And that's why, like you said, the hardest nuts the cracker, like sometimes the elderly people, and I don't want to. I kind of bombarded my mom with the phenom overwhelmed her the other day, you know, and she's like, honey, honey,

and just stop and slow down. But I get going with my mom and I still like to rile her up sometime. I better stop. You know, she's getting up there in age. But you know she's like slow down, She's I just send me a few things here and there. She's like, maybe i'll look at it, you know. But I try to drop the atomic flat earth bomb on my mom the other day and that didn't go very well. Yeah, anytime we have found the gathering, so like,

oh here comes crazy Uncle George. I love it. Yeah, but you know, you know, you just got to keep plugging away, and again you could have the greatest evidence on Earth. They have to be willing to be receptible to it, right a man, you know, like and sometimes, like you said, I just think that that is the key to it, you know, just just drop a little things here and there. And

I heard something great from Eric debate today. It was a video that that he had shared and it was just about you know, not arguing with an engaging in debate with these people, like if they want to insult you, you know, it's okay to walk away because if you you know, once you get to arguing and stuff, you know, you can you can discreate your own self just by your actions. So like it's better, it's better

just to sometimes. Uh, you know, he did say that you can say something smart like okay, well then genius, just go on and continue believing in your spinning pesticle or I forgot what he said. You know, it's kind of kind of funny, but he's like you can kind of just leave it like that, like okay, man, I'm not even gonna I'm not even gonna cast crumbs your way, like and then it'll get in and be like well hold no, like wait, what why why do you tell

me that? Like you know that's right, and you know it's better than just continuing there to try to you know, spew fact after fact after fact and just waste your breath. So yeah, I'm not gonna do that. But I have been seeing, you know, a lot of people opening up to it. I have been seeing you know, uh, I believe you know, new members coming into our community and like God's been using me as a tool to get them there. So so amen, And you know,

I look forward to starting this podcast with you and George. You know, if you wanna, you know, help me out and give me a few pointers on like you know, recording or editing or you know, some things that I shouldn't maybe try to do, or you know, things that I could use, you know, maybe like some intro music, I don't know, just whatever, just little things. You know. This will be my first time doing this, so you know, but I would like to get

that firmamental going. And no, I'll produced a few episodes and when I get some done, shoot them your way and you know, maybe you can put it in the rotation. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm thrilled. I actually got our first MP four today from m I'm just gonna say your first name. Sherry, who's actually from the She actually lives in the Sandy Hook area. It's it was only ten or eleven minutes, but it's very interesting. And that's already in the rotational in fact on a radio. And I can't

wait. You're gonna have such a You're gonna have a lot of success with your podcast. You're knowledgeable and you have a tremendous way of you know, taking what's in your mind and sharing it with the masses. You're gonna get a lot of feedback. And again it is m Raoul dot Hilliard fifty five at proton dot me. And of course don't worry about writing it down, guys, that'll be in the show description as well as many of the things

we talked about today. Helio Sorcery up with the link for that in there and a few of the other tetic cosmology. Yeah, it's just there's so much you can spend so much time. Yeah, and that's the two things we need. More time and money are the two things we always seem to roll short of. But we just do the best we can with the time that we a lot for this and you've been an incredible guest. I certainly would like to give you the last the stage here to close, and you

know, yeah, for sure. You know, first off, I just wanted to say much respect to you. I'm just thrilled and honored that you know, you put me on this podcast, you know, the beginning of

season two. It's still something new, but I've seen and here you talk about your growth and it's so exciting and I'm I'm just so happy for you, George, and I would just like to you know, bless you and ask the Lord yes Wood to continue to keep you strong in the faith and and you know, protect you from any attacks from the enemy, and you know, keep you knowledge filled and give you great content to you know,

to feed to your listeners. And you know, I'd like to join in this, uh in this movement with you, and you know, I'd like to continue to establish, you know, a friendship with you and other people in the community, and you know see where this goes. I'm just excited for this. It's something that's uh, you know, it's given me like a new hobbyist to say, you know, a new venture to take on, and it's pretty exciting with the other things I got going on in my

life. And it's crazy. You know, I've been on other podcasts before, but they're about other subjects. And I've never been so kind of nervous to to go on a podcast. I just wanted to make sure that that this was right. But after I got that confirmation from God, it was just like I knew it was right, and it kind of called me down and kind of gave me focus and I wrote down some notes, kind of bounced all over the place. But it's just my personality. You know,

I'm a high energy person. And I appreciate you for kind of like let me run around like a wild stallion on here. No, that's this is great. Everybody has their own approach and when you're rolling like that, I found the best thing to do is just step out of the way and let them let your roll. And you you absolutely crushed it today. And you know when you told me before about you're waking up at three twenty six and Proverbs three twenty six, and you know that confirm that kind of reconfirms me

and what I'm doing in my mission. Don't withhold good from those to whom it is due when it is in your power to act, Ladies and gentlemen, is in our power to act. We've been given knowledge and we should share it. And I know there's a lot of people out there who would love to. They may be a little nervous about it. They may be a little not skeptical, that's the wrong word, but just they may be afraid. Oh I don't want to present it wrong or because it is.

The psyop is so strong, it's such it's confrontational, it is so weird. You can stand at the water cool at work and talk about the moon landing. Nobody will blink an eye. Right, and these are directly correlated. You mentioned flatters, Oh you're not my goodness, all right, it's just crazy. That just goes to show how deep the siye up runs exactly. Man, I'm gonna say, any anybody any better myself? My friend?

There you go. Well, I can't wait for your podcast, firmamental, and we'll be sure once you get that up and running, we'll let the everybody know and I'll put a link in for the folks so they can, you know, find you and subscribe and thank you everybody who's this isn't

my podcast, this is our podcast. I think of the fifty two episodes, probably thirty of them or thirty five have been I've had guests, so yes, Yeah, this is a community podcast and it again takes an army to build a village, and we're doing that and we'll keep fighting the good fight. Thank you so much, brother for joining us. Amen. God bless you, George, and hello and goodbye to all the flat brothers and sisters out there. Heymen, everybody, have a good week. We'll have

another podcast later on this week. Keep your head on a swill. Well, God bless you, and we'll talk to you guys. Real sir,