Episode 50: Flat Earth Conversation with JJ

The following presentation is all Marvel Studios production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world, and it's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast, episode fifty and this will put a rap on season one. What a great first six months it has been. JJ is joining us. We'll bring him in momentarily before we do so, just a reminder, even while we're on hiatus here for you know, a couple of weeks, make sure you

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in our special guests for this evening. Joining us from North of the Border is the one and only JJ Sir. How are you doing this evening? Hi, George, I'm doing good. It's great to finally meet you. I think you reached out about a month ago and uh quite an incredible somebody trying to faune me. But yeah, you emailed me but a month ago and quite quite in an incredible story. And UM, why don't you go ahead and kind of introduce yourself to everyone. I, Um, I'm a

jj and uh. I was born and raised on a First Nations reservation a couple hours south at the Toronto Um. Yeah, and you're in the Ontario region now, and tell us a little bit. I don't know if we really want to jump right into your awakening, but you've had quite an interesting story growing up, and you've had, um, really some interesting things with

your sleep and things like that. Yeah. So I guess everything started probably around two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, is I. I used to be a welder, and when that crash happened in two thousand and eight, I had no idea what was going on with all that. I just knew that I got fired or not fired, but I got let go and then it was hard to find a job and I started drinking heavily.

But before that, let me go back a little bit. I think the first time I drank was I was like fourteen, So I kind of I've been drinking since I was young, which is kind of a stereotypical thing, I guess for Native people. And so after the two thousand and eight crash, whatever I started, I got drinking heavily again, Like I didn't drink every day, but I think they called it like a binge drinking. Yeah, you just you just drink and then you just you just drink, drink

till you pass out. Right, Yeah. Yeah, So that's that was my issue. But around twenty and ten, I start having these like these weird sleep paralysis streams, and it was like, at first it just started like I was like somebody was in the room with me sometimes, and then it turned into like this old lady. Old lady was always coming right up to me on the bed, and it freaked me out. I had no

idea what it was. So I started getting on YouTube and I started finding all these videos about the old hag and the this gobblin thing that sits on you and the shadow people, like the black shadow people. And I dealt with that for like I don't know, six seven years. Wow, Yeah, how are you able to get through the day when you're dealing Because the most important thing I didn't realize it until I started struggling with my sleep.

But sleep hygiene is really the basis for for getting through your day. That is one of the most important things. How did you get through six or seven years of this? I don't even know. It just it would happen at night, and uh, well obviously I mean on the speed, right, I am a bit nervous. No, you're you know what you're doing? Just fine? Okay, yeah, So um, I don't know.

I just it was it would happen and then i'd wake up. Well, actually I wouldn't even wake up. I would like sometimes I would just it was such a strange thing. I don't I still it's so weird to think about now that I'm thinking about it. I couldn't move and I could not speak. My partner would be sitting beside me, and I was like screaming at the top of my lungs. Well I felt like I was screaming. But a few times she woke me up and she said I was just going

like, uh like barely even making a noise. But for me, I thought I was like screaming as loud as I could. So, um, I don't know how I got through it. I just I think, well, A lot of times too, is when I when I would wake up, I couldn't go back to sleep for like, I don't even know, probably I don't even know if I went back to sleep half the time. So that was a lot of the times I would, you know, I

was, I start drinking a lot. That's kind of what I guess got me through it, because you know, when you drink till your past out, you just you don't deal with that, right, wake up the next day and carry on. Well did you when you were going through it, did you ever try to reach out to any medical or psychological therapy to try to unload your burdens or was it just were you're discussing it more with family members? Um, I kind of discussed it a little bit with family,

but I kind of kept it to myself mostly. I don't know why. I just I think I was. I don't even know. I was just going through a lot then, and with the job loss, and you know, I couldn't find another job like in my field welding, right, and yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you know, I remember that crash of two thousand and eight. I know it was, you know what effected the banks, you know, I had no idea the trickle down effects of it were that great to where you know, folks, you know, like

Weller's were being affected by this. That's it's kind of remarkable to hear. Well, I I probably could have got another job at the well. I went for another interview at GM and I was super nervous going in there too, and I was I was just like funny something and I didn't pass. So, I mean, I don't know, I didn't understand it at the time, right, I was just young. I just knew some places would

hire me. But then when the thirty days would come up or what is it thirty days or sixty days, I think they have to hire you like permanently on right, right, there are a certain day, after certain many days, and right before that day, like a week, every place I went they laid me off because they would have to pay your benefits and everything. Yeah, gotcha? Yeah? Yeah, Well six you know, six or seven years is a long time, and it must have taken a toll

physically and emotionally. And how did it affect your your personal life and your relationship with your your your your spouse, your significant other, and your your family members. Yeah, I think, well, mostly the drinking I think is really affected everything in the end um because yeah, I don't know, I just I just think that the drinking had a lot to do with it,

Yeah for sure. And then you mentioned I think you said it would have been around I know, you started to kind of come upon quote unquote you know, truther or I don't know if it was podcasts or videos. I remember you saying that you found David Wilcox was one. And then I think Corey Good was another. Kind of talk about the transition from from what you were going through to the beginning of your journey to the truth. Yeah.

So this, uh, this sleep prows of stuff is kind of what actually kind of got me onto the truth because I was searching these sleep Provisis videos and then just start I just start being led down all these crazy places. It was pretty crazy, actually, and but I do believe it was the Creator because I actually reached out. That's what I did, is I you know, I I feel like I had nowhere to go or nobody to

talk to you, and I just I broke down. I got on my knees and I asked the Creator and I just asked him to help me. And show me, you know, the direction to go in life, and you know, asked him to take this stuff from me, and I believe he did. And but that was that was a little bit later on. Um, but this but that truth or journey did start with the sleep process. So I started going down all these other rabbit holes, and uh, the very first flat earth stuff I came across was Brian Mullen, and he

was more like an engineer. I don't know, you're probably familiar with Brian Mullen, right, vaguely. He was like an engineer, and I didn't I when I first came across these stuff, I didn't quite understand what he was trying to relay, Like it was too kind of complex for me, complicated. Um, but he's the first one I came across. And so I watched him a few times and off and on, and you know, like everybody says, right, you go to disprove that the Earth is actually

flat, that's right. Because I grew up, you know, I'm watching star tracks, star Wars and all that stuff. My uncle used to watch Star Trek all the time, like religious. So that was something that I, um well as a kid too, you know, astronauts and you want to go to space and all the Mars and all that stuff. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, so that that was where it started. I'm sorry, I'm just I'm quite nervous here. You're doing just fine, brother, Um,

I keep forgetting what I'm going to say. Okay, So Brian Mullen, Um, yeah, Brian Mullen and then allegedly Dave and who knows that other one? Oh, Eric Hubaye. Those were the first three I came across with the flat earth stuff. And who's after that Dave, yeah, David Whiss and Mark Sergeant probably yes, yeah, Mark Sergeant yeah, and uh yeah. From there, and it was just a pretty crazy journey. I actually figured all this stuff out. Well, I mean not that I

figured or anything out really, but I don't know. I just I still think it's pretty wild, this stuff. Like, okay, that's all I think about all the time. Yeah. Now, you say you came across this stuff, but there had to be something inside you to kind of to put down your guard long enough to even consider looking into this. Was it just curiosity? What do you think allowed you to put down take your guard

down long enough to actually look into this? Well? I think for one being a First Nations person is we have that well, we personally have a trust issue with the government, and I just I don't know, I just didn't believe anything that they told us. But then at the same time, you know, you're watching all these Star Trek shows and stuff, and you

think that, you know, like that's the truth. Yeah, well, I can assure you that everybody, well I should say about ninety five percent of the people who listen to the podcast and are in the truth community. You have to trust issues with the government. That's really one of the big reasons why we're here is because they've lied about so much. You know, on my other podcast, it's you know, most of maybe the first twenty

years of our country being around was legit. But you know, the very first ward of the War of eighteen twelve was forced upon us because of bankers. And it's always been about the bankers. And at the end of the day, they are the ones who control the politicians. You know, Big Daddy Rothschild said, I don't care who your king is or your president is, it's who controls the money is the one who really controls the country and

the world. And that's really where we're at everybody, and again, everybody in the truth community has a serious trust issue with the government. It's it's a shame the people that you know, when I was younger, I'd get all pumped up, go to the polls and pull that lever and I'm doing my part. And you know, it's kind of sad when you get older and you realize it's just two wings of the same corrupt and that's why we kind of get into this and we walk away, um from I guess you

could call normal society. I guess that's why we use the word term or the term normis so much. But when you first started going through these videos, whether it was allegedly Dave, Eric Dubay or David Weiss, what kind of impact did it have on your life when you started to realize there's more

to it than just an air quote conspiracy theory. Um, I don't know, because at the time, I think it was around twenty thirteen fourteen, Like I would say that I was for sure the Earth was flat around twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and well, not for sure because we really don't know, but you were looking into it. Yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, And I'm so sorry, man, I had my mind keeps wondering what was the question here? Now you were just saying you were talking about

your jo how did it change you emotionally? And you started to realize in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen that you started to accept the fact that maybe the ball was a lie. How did that affect you, like, you know, emotionally, How did it change you? Um? I just well, I tried to tell people about it, and I think I kind of I just I think I kind of lost both a little bit for a while there.

I was telling my wife and my friends and nobody really. I don't know if you've ever tried to tell you well, obviously you probably have, but um, sometimes when you tell people this thing, these things, they look at you so weird. They get this like blank look in their eyes and it's like like they're not there or something. But I had that issue for the first few years. Yeah, so I didn't even really I kind of stopped telling people about this stuff, and every once in a while would tell

my wife. I'm like, I don't know, she doesn't like I say this, but I would say, well, I'm just a dumb Indian. How can I see these things or figure this stuff out, I know. But yeah, that's uh yeah, I'm sure you probably ran into the same issues that many of us did. Because for me, at first, you know, I know, I've said this a thousand times. I don't mean to beat a dead horse. But you go from anger because once again here's another lie like nine to eleven, and I mean I even wounded me and

all these other things we've I've deep dived on my other podcast. But then you know, you start to embrace it and you feel these shackles breaking and you realize that, uh, you know, I don't answer to man. You know, I answered the individual who created this this because we are here. It was not the result of an explosion. It was not a result of evolution. This was created for us specifically, and we were meant to be here during this time. What do you think about that? Yeah,

I believe that too. I think that I don't know. I just sorry, No, you're good to have I meant to ask you, have you what was the flat Earth like your first trip or I should say, your first stop on your journey to the truth, or had you gone down? Now I understand that you went down the Old Hag and the black hat shadow man kind of rabbit hole. But had you actually looked into other government air quote conspiracies before Flat Earth or was that really one of the first ones you

came across. Um, well, like growing up on the reservation, we have we've had a lot of I don't know if you ever heard of the April wash Oka crisis is in Canada. It's a they were the police or the government was trying to take over land and turn it into a golf course. And um there was a we call them the warriors, like a group of men like the peacekeepers, and they went out there and they were protecting the land. There was women out there, two end children, and they

sent the army in and one of the men was shot and killed. His name was Dudley George. And I don't know. For me, it just I always just had this thing about the government and stuff because just because of the way we were treated in the past. So I was always weary. I mean, like I questioned a lot of their motives and stuff. But um, yeah, I think I think that's just that's where it started for me. Yeah, I wasn't super familiar with the Hipperwash crisis. That was

actually in the terms of history, not that too long ago. That was a ninety five. Yeah, yeah, wasn't that lonely yet I was just young then too. I think I don't even know that I was born in eighty one, so maybe thirteen or twelve or something like that. Yeah, not Yeah, you'd have been thirteen or fourteen. And it's interesting the stories

they always it's interesting how they go back and write these stories. You know, out of public concernum, the Ontario Police decided to deploy crowd management units and they, you know, you got these protesters at a park and they bring up these tactical response units in uh, you know, helmets and batons and shields and these riot squads and these stories um have unfortunately marred our history, uh, you know, to be honest, all across North America.

And yeah, I was not familiar with the story. And I'm looking at this gentleman. His name is uh, what was it, Dudley George? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, I don't know. And uh, but also I just wanted to say that my grandfather was scooped up in the residential school stuff, him and his brothers and sisters, and I think he was only like fourteen at the time. My goodness.

I think he stayed there until he was eighteen or something. But he he used to speak the language before he went in, and when he came out, he doesn't even speak it until this day he will not speak it. I think he's like eighty one or something or eighty two. Yeah, but he won't speak it. And it's just I don't know, it just kind of side really. But I would that have been in the fifties or sixties. I think that wasn't No, that would have been before that because I

think he was born in nineteen forty something. Oh yeah, yeah, probably fifties. Yeah, yeah, I made both fifty these, yeah, mid fifties. That is quite interesting. What was the one piece when you were going through the flat Earth and going through the videos and doing your research. Was there a certain piece of information that kind of puts you over the top that you know, kind of alleged you to believe that more likely than not, that you know, the whole ball story is just that a story?

Um well, I say, I guess everything all together. But our story, I mean, our creation story, is that similar to the Bible right where there was the grandmother that came down from the sky world while she was I don't know, she was digging around at the roots, and she's seen the water down below. She was really curious about it. And the king of the sky world, which I assume is the creator, you know, he told her and her husband not to go near that tree. But one

day she went out there and she dug a big hole. She made it bigger, and she fell down. And when she was falling through the water, two geese caught her in the air and they brought her down to the water, and there happened to be a big sea turtle down there, and so they put her on the turtle's back. And then that that's the teachings, right, you get the thirteen months or the thirteen I don't know if you know about turtles. They got the thirteen absolutely, I've talked about that

many times. It's got the thirteen and the twenty eight on their back, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, And so that that like I learned that long time ago when I was a kid. But that came into play with the flat earth too, which kind of and I don't know, it's just all these things accumulated, like the sun like it looks like it's right there, you know, but they say it's ninety three million miles away, and yeah in the moon, like the shadow, the temperature of the moon.

I don't know, just all these little things. It just and every time I would watch because I used to watch all those I know, Eddie Bravo says this. He used to watch him and Joe used to watch those um space documentaries, and me and my cousin were the same. We used to watch those all the time, and the same thing. Every once in a while, I'd be like, why are they all cartoons? Like why are they CGI? Why don't they actually have a real camera going out there?

And why why can't we see it? You know, like when they supposedly landed on the moon, why don't we have food? He's like that of planets and stars and everything, these novas and all that, it's just like CGI cartoons everywhere. And I think the further we go along in this timeline, that the more fake that that CGI from. Well, now we're at what fifty four years ago or fifty three or whatever wherever it is,

how awful it looks. And by the way, why isn't there a monument for the guy who was left behind on the moon, the guy who took the camera footage just as it took off from the moon. Where's the memoil to that guy? That's crazy, that's such a silly one. I don't know how people can't see this stuff, just like I just said earlier, right, like how came? How can I? But I think I know

the answers because I did. I asked the Creator for this. I asked him for answers because but when I was even younger this, I always thought this to myself, like why are we here? Who are we? Like you know those five questions? Who out where? When? Why? Yeah? And I always thought that my whole life. So I feel like I

always had a connection with the Creator. I just I didn't know it at the time until like you know, when I when I actually prayed out loud to him and when I got down on my knees and stuff, and yeah, that's that. Yeah, And it's important sometimes to ask, and you know, God will show you. I believe God will show you. You just have to be receptive and it may not come as a fortune cookie message

floating from the sky, right. You have to be aware and of the signs that are given to you and um like you and it's so interesting. How how uh what's the name of your bible? My bible? Yeah, you were talking about your creation story, and I apologize that I'm not familiar with it. Oh no, we don't really have a Bible or anything. It's just word of mouth, like our creation Okay, yeah, we don't really have a Bible. I understand. But it's amazing that creation story.

How even other religions around the world, the similarities between I know, isn't that something? It is crazy? It's crazy. I told my wife that all the time. I'm like, it's the same story in every religion. We all have different pieces. Yea. Indeed, it's that that tree of knowledge. And it's interesting you know that they Illuminati whatever you with the controllers, they the Luciferians, is that the correct terminology is really what it is.

They believe that God trapped you know, Adam and Eve and held them in a prison, and you know, basically Lucifer wanted them to you know, help them escape. Uh, you know this prison they were in everything and that's why everything with them is inverted, good as bad, bad as good. And it's as so many people fall for this Um, you know, I never understood that before until you just did that. Yeah, because I couldn't understand why they're so the way they are. It makes no sense.

But the way you just said that makes sense. If they actually believe that, well, I guess they must. I mean, look what they're doing to this place. Yeah, they believe that God was the bad guy. He created Adam and Eve and had him locked in this little prison and said you don't touch that. That's my knowledge, right, And uh, of course Satan was the hero in their story, showed them the tree and

helped them escape the Garden of Edom. And basically what they they're missing is, um, these people are living, living for worldly things and our time on Earth compared to eternity is not even a drop in a bucket. And it's sad to me so many people um go along with the mainstream and just immersed themselves in worldly things instead of um, you know, being more godly. I guess yeah, it's pretty wild. M Oh sorry, Oh you're good. Do you have any other other thoughts on on the flat Earth,

whether it be a video or Antarctica? The things that you've come across. Oh, I had it, I Uh, I got like a terabyte of information saved on SD cards and stuff. It's just it's not all flat Earth. But I mean it's just like especially after twenty seventeen. I don't know if you remember that when they announced the they were going to be well they did, they kicked people off the platform. Yeah, when Google took over

five years ago, it's it's a shame. YouTube was such a great tool and you could literally put in flat Earth and you could find flat Earth. You could put in whatever conspiracies out there, and it would actually lead you to those type of videos. And not only has Google slash YouTube d platforms people, they hide the algorithms within the search engine, right, m hmm. Yeah, sometimes I don't get even notified of certain channels. And actually

today I don't know if you follow Brian Stavely from Dose of Reality. He does a lot on the Mendela effect. Yeah, and he had a live going today and I couldn't like I didn't even know I was actually number I told you at the beginning. I am during the trucker protests, they deleted my channel, so I created another channel it's called Indigenous Creatures or Indigenous Creatures sorry, And so I was scrolling on that, and I've seen the Brian

Stavie live. I was like that, So I switched back over to my other JJ channel and I started scrolling through these things and there was no live on any of the channels. It was so strange. I had to like, even after I typed in his name, the channel and live, it still didn't pop up. So I end up scrolling all the way like I don't know, pretty close, well not not the bottom, but I scrolled

down quite a bit and then it was down there. It did show up, but like I'm sub to the guy, you know, like nopiflications are on and stuff like that. That's a big problem. There's a lot of people I think that are I guess the term a shadow band, and a lot of truthers I follow. When they go live, I don't get notifications either. I'll go in later and see that they've already had a video and I've never been notified. So yeah, there's there's certainly a lot of nefarious

stuff going on at YouTube. I think we talked when we were talking about the trucker situation, that might have been very briefly or even before we started recording. Do you want to tell folks about your experience with n Oh. Yeah. Um, well, my wife and I we did a lot. We started doing a lot of protests and shoot, I think it was around twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. We were just trying to raise awareness about the I don't know if you heard of the Idol No More movement. I'm not

familiar with it. Okay, it's just it was a movement of It was probably one of the biggest movements in the First Nations people. It woke a lot of natives up, and a lot of my friends that aren't even involved in this kind of stuff, we all went out protesting, and it was it was just raised awareness about you know, the water on the reserves, like called bad. A lot of the water is, and um, a lot of the poverty, and a lot of the oil pipelines going through reservations,

which I don't have a problem with oil or gas. It's just you know, why why can't you go around? I mean they're right brillion there, no kidding, and but yeah, so that was we started doing that, and um, that's kind of how I kind of got into the protest stuff. And when this trucker protest came around, well, actually, let me back up a little bit. We were already we were kind of done protesting because all the a lot of the people got a lot of our First

Nations brothers and sisters got arrested defending our own land. And that's it's crazy. It's just crazy to me. So when the protest, when the trucker protest came along, I I reached out to well, I didn't reach out a lot, but I started asking people to go out there, and because that's to me, this was our moment. We were waiting for something huge like that. You know, we needed the rest of the population with us.

I mean, there's only so many First Nation people, and I feel like we did a big flop on that one, like we should have been there. And well, I think another thing was, I don't know if you heard a Pat King. You probably heard of Pat King. Yeah, when they did, when they were out there, they did this pipe ceremony and they supposed the gifted him with a pipe, which in our culture we don't give people pipes like that, Like that pipe is a sacred you know,

it's a sacred tool. And so I think a lot of people got offended at that. But to me, that was kind of not really decides the point. But I mean like it was still a big thing to me, But there's bigger things going on, I feel, and you know, getting all upset over it. I mean I can understand, I do understand, but I felt like there was bigger things going on, you know, Like this protest was it's for our children. It's not just for like the

Native children, It's for all the children in the world. And that's the way I was looking at it. I try to get people to go out there, and nobody would go. Nobody would go. There was a couple of people that went. There's a lady named Ronda Martin. She's got a YouTube channel called Real People's Media, and she went out there, and there was a couple of other people that were out there, but just like protesters,

and that was it. Like maybe that I knew of maybe six people were out there from all these other reserves, and it's it's like, this is what what we do, not what we do. But I mean, you know, we were trying to raise awareness for this for years and yeah, to me, that was just I was really disappointed when that happened. And even to this day, you know, a lot of my first nation,

brother and sisters. They you know, they took their shots, they wore their masks, and you know, still to this day some of them are still walking on its masks on. And like I felt like we were we were chosen or because of what happened with us in the past, that we should have been the ones to We should have been on the front lines. We should have been the truckers, right because of the tyranny that you're you guys have experienced prior to that, and um, you guys have established

a lack of trust for the government. Then you know, here comes twenty twenty and the same folks around you who have had such a distrust for the government basically your entire life, all of a sudden are walking hand in hand with the very tyrannical, um, you know things that are imposed on the people. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty crazy. Sorry, hanging my dogs? I got my dog done here with me? Okay, uh sorry? Can can we pause for one second? Yep, yea, let me go

ahead. That was pretty crazy. And another thing is too Um have you watched the Hitler Hitler Productions level? Yeah? No, the fluvid one. Oh I'm not sure if I ever not, Yeah, it's I think it's um. I think it's on his channel, but it's about the coronavirus stuff, right, And uh they use that number thirty three and guess how many cases landed on my reserve thirty three? Isn't that crazy? That is crazy? So that makes me wonder about some of the chiefs down there. I

don't know that. I actually I know the chiefs. One is my well one when this chrona stuff happened. I my cousin was one of the chiefs at the time. And uh, I don't know. It just it makes me wonder, right because nobody really I don't really talk to anybody about this stuff, like I wasn't. I haven't been on Facebook in years, maybe twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and I don't go on like Instagram or TikTok

or anything. My research is strictly YouTube and then whatever links like, uh, you know everybody talks about Oh I go on Spotify and Stitcher like Sam Tripoli and stop, look thinks I Brenda Tavarrez. You guys are just talking about her think on the last podcast. And so that's how why was I would find whatever that we were talking about like on the on whichever whoever I was listening to, I would go to that person, and then it just I kept just going and going and going. I found so many people,

that's pretty wild, indeed. And we'd actually we hadn't really even got to the part with the trucker protests. And you had mentioned Pat King, which is interesting because if I remember correctly, he was one of the guys who was directly involved with those um what was it called United We roll up there? Yeah, I think they organized it or something. Him and that Tamara Lynch lady. Apparently they organized everything. And tell us about your involvement and

how did that work out for you? But what was it like to be a part of that movement with the I don't know more. No, the convoy protests. Oh no, I didn't go right out there like I said, Uh, oh, I'm somebody would go and stuff. Oh there there was like six people that win Like I said that ladies, Uh, she's got her a YouTube channel, real people's media. She went out there. She had like I think there's like maybe a couple of people on her channel

that they interviewed. But no, for me, I was really disappointed, and I thought that was going to be. I thought it was going to be something big. I really did. And when it when nothing came of it, like on our our end, I just kind of I don't even know, I just kind of went recluse, and I kind of thought. I kind of thought that, um, I thought people. I didn't think people were gonna wake up. I honestly thought I didn't know what to think,

you know, I just I was taking it day by day. And then I came across your channel and you guys are saying talking about all this stuff, and I'm like, what, there's people out there that I actually talk about this stuff. I couldn't believe it. I was shocked too when I saw, you know, I was like, I'm gonna do this little podcast on the side, and because I enjoyed talking about it, maybe we'll get, you know, fifty downloads a month and find a couple of people

who are like minded. And it just blows me away the amount of people are out there. And that's the thing. There are tons of people out there who are like minded. It's just that we're kind of scattered about. But luckily this, you know, God has been able to provide me to use this as a vessel to connect people from around the world who are like minded. Yeah. I think that's a good thing. That was kind of

scattered too. Yeah, oh absolutely, so we can share the message, right, yeah, yeah, because if we even if we were like all, you know, if we're in one spot, they could just who knows, they could just send them whatever income get us all. Why was the when you came across flat Earth and you went down that rabbit hole and you realize the lies of the globe? What did it mean to you? Personally?

Like for many people, it brought them close to the Creator. They realized that they weren't just here, like I said earlier, by accident. What did it mean to you? Yeah, that's that's pretty much the same for me. I, Um, it just brought me closer to the Creator. I mean, you know, it's like he's right there pretty much. And uh, I started reading the Bible, and I believe it or not, there's a lot of Native people that are Christians too on my reserve actually

too. We got like two churches down there, and pretty go ahead, I was just gonna say, I didn't mean to interrupt, but it just hit me when when the whole COVID thing kicked off. Did they close the churches up there as well? I believe so. The whole reserve was shut down. Yeah, kid, And you were gonna get a I think it was either eight hundred dollars fine or a thousand dollars fine. You were caught

what's living around? Yeah, man, And like I don't know, on my reserve, we're pretty you know, we're pretty strong people and pretty like you almost stick up for ourselves and what's right, We'll say it. What's right is what's right. And I've never seen anything like it, to be honest, it was really quite strange everybody. I think everybody just got brainwashed or something, because man, nobody would Nobody wanted to hear it. Even

people called me down. Some people, you know, they're saying I praysy and all this, you know how they say that stuff. Yeah, trust me, I know I get that. I get those emails every day. Brother. Um. Yeah, you know. For me, I think my big frustration is and I'm sure well you you've told me that you felt this. Um. I'm sometime find myself shaking my head when I saw the things that happened over the last three years. The lack of activism, the lack

of courage. It was I don't even know what the word is. I was so I guess sad as really when I went through all those emotions, I was very sad. I was very disappointed. And I ask people all the time, and I guess I'll ask you this, why is it that people have just no there is no I shouldn't say no, But there is very little grassroots, organic activism out there. I believe that much of the things that were going on here in the United States in the Summer of Love

in twenty twenty, I don't think much of that was organic. I think that was money by the very people at the top who wanted to intentionally cause mayhem in this country. What are your thoughts on that, Well, yeah, I think so for sure. Yeah, for sure. You're talking about like the earnings and all that in Portland, and yeah, yeah, yeah,

I think for sure that was you know, somebody got paid. And when you pay somebody and then you have followers, you know, I mean, they don't someone I don't even believe some of these people even knew what they were doing. They probably just you know, well maybe they did. I don't know. I just honestly think people lost their freaking minds. Um, I don't even know, but I do think that was that was orchestrated. I think. Do you think some of it I'm just spitbowling here.

Possibly this was let's lock them down from March to June. People are going to be upset. Um, they've been cooped up, and then it's hot, it's the summer, and they start the stuff and they fire the people up. Oh yeah, yeah, that was a big part. Yeah, uh right, yeah, I mean these guys, look, they've been manipulating us for a long long time, from War of the Worlds to to the movies to TV. They've been braining watching us for a long time. Um. But what do you think? Why is it? Why is there such

a lack of UM activism? Why does why doesn't anybody want to stand up for the rights anymore? I think it has to do with the your beliefs or your your connection with creator and spirit. That's what I think, because I know, and I wasn't really like like now, I believe in the

Creator. Why, I know there was a creator, and back when I was drinking and stuff, I just I didn't really care to know about it, you know, And I was there doing a lot of bad things, and I think when you're doing bad things, that's probably the last thing you want to think about it too as a creator. But I think a lot of people don't have that connection anymore, or if they've even had it at all, And I think that has a lot to do with it, and

the materialistic society that we live in. I think this has a lot to do with it. You know, you made a very good point there. If you don't have faith, then you really don't have a moral compass, and you're less likely to live in a way that you should be living. And if you have no morals, then there's no morals to fight for. Henceforth, why bother with activism? You get, I think to all the listeners out there, if you've never been involved in activism, it is um.

It's scary, it's um. But at the same when you're done, it's it's one of the proudest things I've ever done, because it's it takes. And I've said this many times. If we're going to make a difference in this world, you're going to have to do things that you're not super comfortable with. You're gonna have to do things out of your comfort zone. Yeah, and it starts with getting out of your house. Go ahead, brother, Sorry, oh I just said we gotta get comfortable being uncomfortable.

Yeah, that's that's perfectly said. And they're not ever going to give you your rights back all the things that they've taken from us over the last one hundred and ten years. Really, the big dagger was when they started with the Federal Reserve, and they've done nothing but become bigger parasites over the last one hundred and ten years. Is because we've sat back and taken it and even worse, you know, in a way, we continue to to pay our slave master, right, you know, we are treated like h Like

a lot of people here in the States. We see that the United States is funding Ukraine's pensions, and at the same time there's homeless people, there's veterans who are going without benefits. It's just again inverted. Everything is inverted. Yeah, they invert everything. Which good is bad and which bad is good? Yeah. But yeah, if and listen, if you don't find anything in your area for you to get fired up about, do it yourself. Become a leader. That is one of the most you want to talk

about being outside of your comfort zone. I mean you talk about the genleman. We were just talking about Pat King and what was the name of that guy up in Canada, big, big, burly guy who worked out all the time, and he was a big figure during the COVID protests. Yeah, like he was a bodybuilder or something. I'm not sure. I can't think of it right now. Anyway, Um, yeah, I'm not too sure about that one. I'll have to ah, Chris Guy, Chris Guy. Oh, Chris Guy. Okay, yeah, I don't know. I

was up with that guy. Man. They were all bickering for a while there. Sometimes I feel like some of these guys are they're working for the enemy. You think he was a controlled opposition guy. I don't know, but I mean just his attitude was he had well, he had a kind of a good attitude, but he just seemed really like cocky or confident or something. I don't know. I mean, I don't know, I really don't know, but I think some of these guys might have been control of

the opposition. Now, I I don't know. I look at everything as a freaking you know, with skeptical eyes, like pretty much everything though. Yeah, there was a lot of things during COVID that took place during during COVID that took place in Canada. I remember the church. There was a church up there. I don't remember which province it was in, but they they came in, kicked everybody out, and they put like barbed wire entire around the entire church. I don't know if that was the Arthur Polowski one.

I think I might have been in Alberta or something. Oh, yeah, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I

don't know. I still can't believe how people acted. Yeah, and it seemed like it was overnight, because you know here in the States ways look at Canada's the super friendly people, and then all of a sudden, your leader tearns into this super dictator and you know, next thing you know, they're they're making vaccines, they're trying to make it mandatory and vaccine passports, and you know, we had Yeah, there was some cities in the in

our country that had a little crazy about Canada, New Zealand, Austria and Australia. Man, it was next level. Did it seem like there was a huge change overnight or is it something that you had noticed that had kind of been building over a long time. Um. I would say it happened overnight pretty much. I mean as soon as they announced the lockdowns and everything. I mean I'd look outside. There wasn't a car out, There wasn't a person walking by, you know. I was. I regret this now,

but I wish I would have took more videos. I Uh, well, I forgot to mention my wife and I we had a baby during we had two babies. We had, uh my little girl who just turned three on the six and then oh wow, so she was born like two months into the Yeah. Wow. I was actually worried about that. This is another little story. I uh when we went in there, I don't know if well, I think I've heard you talk about Crow Triple seven. Yeah. Uh do you know Rose Crol, the one that yeah, of course,

yep. Um. So I reached out to her and uh, she's she well, you know, they were talking about the AFA David's and all this stuff, and so I ended up getting in contact with her. She's sending me a bunch of paperwork, you know, like templates and stuff, and thank goodness I didn't have to use it. But it seemed like for me. I don't know if it was just my wife and I were just like, I don't know. I mean, they didn't seem to push it that stuff on us too hard. And I don't want to say it's because

we're natives. I don't know, but we just said I just said, no, we're not my babies. We're not taking the bags, right, And then she said she asked why, and we just said, well, for one, she just born into this world. They're not going to start jabbing her with stuff, you know, right, And but yeah, Rose helped me with those affidavits and stuff, and so we had the baby, yeah, right at the beginning. And then just last year he had another a baby. He just turned one yesterday. Oh wow, happy birthday,

thank you. What was it like having that baby in May of twenty twenty. What was the experience like? Did you get to the hospital? Yeah, we went to the hospital. It was actually surprising, not as bad as I thought, because you know, I was watching all these crazy videos on Telegram, and so I expected the orders, right, and I was actually kind of scared and nervous. But to me, I was I was

ready to fight for that baby if I had to. That's awesome. I mean, yeah, um, but yeah, pretty much everything when without a hitch we were in there and they she stayed for one night and then we came home the next day. Actually I think I slept. I stayed there with them actually, and then we came home the next day. But for my daughter three years ago, she stayed overnight by herself, and then I came picked her up in the morning because I got I got a bunch of

other kids. Oh that's awesome, that's I mean, that's a story. You're gonna have baby born during that first sixty days of COVID that must have been nerve wracking. Oh man, it was pretty wild man. Yeah. The only thing is, like I said, I wish I would have took more videos. And oh yeah. The hospitals were acting crazy too, because my one daughter, I think she was five at the time, she got

like an ear infection or something. I took her to the hospital and they were trying to get me to put a mask on her, and I said, she's not wearing a mask, she's this little and they wouldn't. They wouldn't, they wouldn't see us. So I left. And how old was

she? She was like five or four at the time. Wow. She was just oh yeah, because well now I'm thinking back, it's already been like four years since all this stuff been going on, right, she just turned nine last month, so she must have been five, four or five.

Yet Wow, I wouldn't see her like. I got so upset that then too, But I just left, you know, because I was I was getting on the buses and uh, I was going in the stores like Tim Horton's without masks, and I was going into seven on elevens and getting on the city buses, getting on the city buses and every time there. Well for a while there, they were trying to at the beginning, trying to tell me to wear a mask and all this stuff, right, and

I just said, I just told them I got an exemption. Um. I think I heard on one of Crows or somebody's podcast or was a lady named Miriam Henane, and she said that she just put like a oh what are they called, like a laminated piece of sheet or paper and it just had um I'm allergic or she added, I can't remember how she worded it.

She it was something in Latin and which it was like, I can't even remember what the word was, but it was like something stupid like I can't remember, like I'm not wearing it, or I'm not wearing a mask or something in Latin. But she put it laminated so it looked like it was like a medical I think she even put some medical emblems on there, and uh nice, just it look real official, right, So she would just walk in the hospital and flash that around. So I got that idea.

I didn't print anything. Oh actually I did print something out, but I didn't get it laminated and stuff. And well, when they would ask me about the mask and stuff, I would just say, oh, I got an exemption. I didn't even say a health exemption or nothing. I just said I have an exemption, and they would leave me alone. I think you just had to assert your authority. You did. You had to

assert your authority and you couldn't be meek. And it was interesting. There was a lot of people like your average and I'm not picking on people work at Walmart. I'm just using this as an example. Your average Walmart. You know, Stoker would be like, hey, if you're gonna come in my story, you need a mask. Right. People were just taking and using it and the people who were behind this, they enabled it, right, They wanted this to happen. They wanted they wanted to use this to

just you know, divide us more than we already were, right. Yeah. Well that's another thing too, is the division, like like how they divide us, you know, like well like first nations and uh non natives for instance. Right, there's a big you know, stigma there and divide,

divide, divide like you know, hockey teams. I think David Weiss says that hockey teams like countries, Canada, the States, or even your province in your state, you know, like it's just divide, divide, divide, right, even now it's in the families, right, they're dividing the families. You know. It's interesting you mentioned Miriam Hennan. Uh you know she just came across the news today. Did you know she was making a George Floyd movie that was crowdfunded. Yeah? I heard about that.

Yeah, yeah, she was a big um. She stood up for COVID and she was a big she's big. I guess the correct term is anti vaxer because she's she's behind the vaccines cause autism thing. Mm hmm, yeah, I think that's another documentary figure what it's called, I can't even remember it is, But yeah, I like there's so many people that I would say more so over the past four years, I found a lot more people than initially before. Well because like I said, I kind of give up

a little bit, not give up. But I'm sure you were a little disheartened when you saw the lack of Yeah, nobody was receptive and nobody want to talk about it, and they just look at you weird, like this guy's nuts, you know, And this is my cousins and my friends and stuff. And this is why I think, kind of going full circle again, why flat Earth is so important because it kind of brings back a sense of I belong here and I'm here once again. I'm here for a reason.

What is that reason? Maybe it is to you know, stand up. If you're not going to stand up for yourself, like I said, do it for the children are in your grandchildren, and we simply can't turn over the ball to the next generation with the way the world is right now. Would you agree with that? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yet that's kind of why I reached out to you know. I was kind of shocked and I heard how many people are on your podcast and the stuff you guys are saying, and I was like, oh, this is it.

You know, I got that that little inkling or whatever, you know, I think it was the creator. I said, But I get on there and talk to this guy because I think this is going to be a big thing. It is that is you know, we talk about all the negatives of COVID. I still say it's helped, you know, wake a lot

of people up. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who wrote up their sleeve and we pray for them and hope that it's you know, the batch they got was just you know, obviously they couldn't every single one couldn't be a bad batch because that would be too obvious. But we pray that everybody's going to be healthy and we move on from that and we learn and we don't allow it to happen again. But I mean, the flat earth is so important and we all one of the big questions we all have is you

know how And I get emails. Most of my emails, fifty to seventy five percent of them are either saying, hey, how can I you know, share the message successfully or the other way. They're people telling me how they were successful. And that is the biggest you know that that is the biggest issue that we have in this community. Is I guess it's twofold. It's one. How do we communicate at number two? How do we get

that stigma away from the words flat Earth? Yeah, I know, it's kind of weird because like flat earth is such a loaded term, like people are like, you know, and then you got that Flat Earth Society stuff with the flat Earth floating space and all that and like, but without the flat Earth name, people wouldn't really know what to look for, and it wouldn't you wouldn't even really know what the concept was, like if you were to call it a well there's those the other terms like concave or and stuff

like that. But yeah, I think that that name it has to be flat earth because initially, at first I was like, well, you know, I don't want to be called a flat earther like that, it's uh because of the stigma behind it. Yeah yeah, yeah right. And so for a while there, I was even when I was deep into the flatter I was all over deep inside the rabbit Holes channel, and I used to be in the chat there. But then Jarren and the rvast or doing their

bickering or whatever. That's I got right out of there. You know, we haven't. We don't have time for that kind of stuff. No, And that's why even on my other podcast, I won't really spend time saying this guy's a fraud, that guy's a fraud, because number one, it's it's a waste of a to me, I'm not telling any other podcast or how to do their job. This is just from my vantage point is there's

bigger fish to fry, there's bigger issues to talk about. And number two, I think it's kind of condescending to the listener because that's saying that you can't discern for yourself who was good and who was bad. That to me, that's always been a slap in the face, like I come to you for content, not to tell me who to listen to. To me, that's always condescending to me. Yeah, I would agree with that, And it's it's interesting. I'm meant to tell you this. When we kicked off,

there was a story that's kind of running wild. David Weiss had the Georgia GOP chairman. Her name is Candice Taylor, and she was on I guess she had Dave on her podcast, and she said that the glow is

propaganda and that's making the rounds. And of course when you if you just put flat earth into the Google search engine, on the right, you'll see flat earth is an archaic and scientifically disproving conception over the shape, and then on the left the top stories it is of course another crazy gop right, and so you know, the powers that be know how to take this information and make people just look silly, right, Yeah, for sure, that's

interesting. I'm gonna have to go listen to that one. I guess this was from like yesterday. Oh really, Yeah, Dave is making big news. I haven't really been following Dave too much lately ever since the Wall, since Journe and r V got into it. I kind of just yeah, it's kind of got off all those channels and yeah, just kind of doing my own thing. Yep, agreed, But that's interesting for sure, that that it's back in the news. Yeah, well that's kind of a good

thing a little bit, you know. Yeah, absolutely, even if you know a handful of people, if this, you know, these Rolling Stone and these other articles cause people to take five minutes to look into it. But again this is the problem. They go to Google, they put in flat earth and this information comes up just you know, silly flat earths, and nine times out of ten they probably just click out of the browser and move on because they're like, I'm not going to be associated with these crazy

people. And that's why I tell people use brave, use m yandex use something other than Google and duct dut go, because they're controlled and they're going to take you where they want you to go. For sure, what was there? Was there anything on your list there that we haven't touched on yet that you wanted to talk about? Um, oh I wanted to talk about the nuclear stuff? Oh yeah, for sure, go ahead, brother, that's I've been working on that. I'll be doing young episode in late June

early July about that. You know, well, I wonder if you heard of Galen windsor then, Oh, yeah, that's the guy who drank He did a there's a great I think I put that on my class at audio. He gave a great speech. It might have been in the mid eighties, Does that sound right? Yeah? I think so. It was an old video that was one of the videos I first came across to windsor Yeah, yep, absolutely and interesting because what people don't realize is, so we

fire bomb Tokyo. And if you look, if you just and go to Google for this one, if you go to Google and you put Japanese bombing in I think it was March or February of forty five, the entire city is just gone, absolutely gone. And what people don't realize or they may not realize, is back in the forties, most of the buildings in Japan were made out of wood. They didn't have all these cool high rises and stuff. So everything burned. And it was the same with Hiroshima. And

was it Nagasaki? Yeah? Um. So their theories out there, including the same day as the quote unquote day the bomb was dropped, there was UM sixty six there's that number again, sixty six B twenty nine that went out on a mission to a town near Nagasaki. I don't have the information in front of me right now, so I'm spitballing. But that town had already been decimated. So the thought is that those birds dropped Nagasaki and there

was some type of explosion. Maybe do you remember the explosion in Bay Route in either twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, that fertilizer explosion in Bay Route. It looked like a nuclear yeah yeah, I remember that, big, big yeah. Yeah. So the thought is that, yes there was a mission, Yes they had something in their payload, and yes they dropped it, but the town had been firebombed and they used the ammonian nitrate as the

explosion. Because listen, everything from the thirties on, much of it was propaganda. The most powerful tool that people have, the controllers have, is propaganda, and back then the biggest thing. The guy's name is Hersey. I don't have it in front of me again. But this guy was like one of the first and only reporters allowed on the scene after it happened. And the guy was skull and bones from Yale University like George Bush and everybody

else. So and Oppenheimer his connections. Yeah, these guys, there's something not right about it. And if these people have had these weapons for eighty years and not been used once, I think it's again, I think it's propaganda. Not to say that we don't have these massive weapons, I've seen them, but these weapons of right nuclear that can destroy I say, you know, there's nukes that can destroy the world ten times over and just end

humanity. I don't believe that for a second. That's just. I mean, Plus, look at how many wars there's been in the past, I don't know, thirty years or whatever. And I mean, obviously there's been a few big bonds drop, but you know, nothing crazy like that. And why would they not want to use that if you know, I mean, I don't know, like with the whole Taliban thing, they could have easily dropped the New fair if they wanted to, all right, they chose

to or whatever. Indeed, So yeah, I think it's just. I mean, everything about this world is about fear. Yeah, I believe that too. And you know, the Fallen Angels and Lucifer Satan, they're all about keeping arm around low. They don't want us being happy. They don't want us enjoying life. They want us to be miserable because being miserable lends us to be more dependent on the government, and the government is corrupted by Satan. That's my thought. Yeah, I believe that too. I had

something else to say. I totally forgot what I was gonna say, and I meant to ask you that was that was that basically along the same line as what you believed as far as the nukes go. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I believe that. I believe it was just firebombed. I mean, what was it just a few years after that? Their cities were booming after that. Yeah, three days later there were selling flowers in the streets. By the way, his book, I'll put it in the there's

a couple of cool books. It's the plutonium hoax nuclear scare proven by Galen Windsor I'll put that in the show description for folks to check out. Yeah. But yeah, I think it's just fear and that's I believe that's all it is, really. I mean, and with the global model that they use that as a tool of fear. Right, there's an asteroid's coming clothes. Yeah, they always say that, you know, there's just an asteroid coming. I think it was like a couple of weeks ago there was supposed

to be one coming or something. Yeah, it's the closest that's ever passed in two million years. But people love that stuff. They eat that, uh you know, they eat that duom and gloom right up they do. And again it goes on the conversation I had last night with Michelle. One of the biggest things for me was when I picked the Bible back up, the firmament was one and the Bible's very clear that God made two lights. He didn't make a light and a highly reflective floating ball. He made two

lights. And that's you know, the moon is a light, it's not a reflective, dusty old ball. Yeah. And also the moonlight is colder than it is in a shade. Yes. Um, I keep forgetting what I was gonna say. There was a oh, anyone else I was going to talk about. Have you ever heard of that movie called The Principle with

Kate Maulgrew Captain Janeway The Principal Poll. Yeah, it's it's like a they're trying to figure out They don't necessarily say that it's a flat Earth or whatever, but they're trying to figure out the universe and stuff that what's his name, Mitschicaku's on there, Max Tagmart There's a couple of high level scientists on there, and at the end of the show they say they don't know,

they can't figure it out. It could be either this or that, Like it could be I forget what they're saying, they're trying to say that the universe is a bubble or something like. It's been a while since I watched them. Oh yeah, yeah, I know which one you're talking about now. When that came out like ten years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha, that was a good one too. Um. It makes me wonder though, if, like some of these they must know this stuff,

Like, I mean, how long these families been around. There's got to be people out there that know of these things. Oh for sure, this place absolutely I thought. I always thought, you know, like when we come to this world, they're not always but like I've recently been thinking, like when we come to this world, there should be some sort of system where the people that are here already inform the new born, well when they when they grew up a little bit, inform them what this place is and

everything. Because I never had a clue. I uh, you know, I went through life not really thinking about any of this stuff really mean, um, like the space stuff is you know Star Trek that that was always cool, like I wanted to have like you know, well, now we

got the cell phones. Those are kind of like the Trike order seeing sort of exactly and I think again that that Hollywood is a very important tool to these people because I remember whatever it was, seventy seven or seventy eight, being, you know, a nine year old boy in the movie theater watching Star Wars and just being blown away. And and that's what you do as a child. You go home and you lay in bed and fantasize about space

travel. And because when you're young, you're so easily manipulated. And that's why here in the United States, I think it was so important for them to hijack the Department of Education so they could control the narratives. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just going to ask you, how is the education system in your neck of the woods. Um, it's great, pretty much the same, I guess they you know, they teach indoctrination at these

schools. But me going to high school and stuff, I never really uh, I didn't really care for it. I was kind of like a class clown kind of guy, That's what that was. So I was messing around. I didn't really care. I passed. I mean, I graduated high school and I went to college for welding, but I just didn't never you know, I wasn't like trying to get high marks all the time. Honestly,

I could have cared less about it. So I think I had a lot to do with it too, because a lot of people they when they go to school, right, you try to get those high marks and press your teacher and all that, and then you're you're on your way to whatever university or whatever you're want to do. Yeah, it was very hard for me as a young man because I was a very active person. I played many sports. For me, being um like locked in a chair for eight

hours a day at school was was brutal for me. It was. It really is kind of it goes against what it means to be a child. You know, children should be out playing, running around and here we homeschool, so we have the morning time outside taking care of chickens, gardens and chores. Then it's you know, ten, ten thirty, it's you know, she comes in and does her school work and we have lunch and then

school work in the afternoon. Then it's chores again. UM. Education should not be eight hours locked in a chair listening to a teacher drone on about um something that has been contrived by people who want us to believe a certain way. It should be challenging. It should be learning things that are going to help them in the world, learning how to grow things. I think it's hysterical that you go through, uh, you know, twelve years of

indoctrination in the United States. They didn't even teach you how to do your taxes, so once again you have to rely on other people, and if you get it wrong, you get penalized. It's just it is quite a crazy system. And by the time you're twenty two, if you go to college, everything's difficult because by that time you're one hundred thousand dollars in debt if you went to college. Car insurance here when you're under the age of

twenty five is criminally insanely Hi, you're some children are paying you. Young people, I should say, between the ages of eighteen and twenty five are paying a couple hundred dollars a month in car inshorts, two hundred, two hundred and fifty dollars a month for car inshortants, and then because they don't have any credit, they get astronomical interest rates for the loans. It's just m We start the children off in this world completely upside down, and we

put them behind the eight ball. So the rest of their life they're they're working, work and work and working to try to catch up and break even. And that is like the big thing, because they don't have time to sit back and think and have the conversations like we're having right now. Yeah. I try to teach my kids a lot about this stuff. I tell them these things. But on our reserve day, we go to school until grade six, and then we go to town from grade seven to grade twelve.

So from grade JK at grade six, we they teach us our language and some of the you know, the hunting stuff in the stories, like the creation story and all that stuff. So that's all I don't mind. I don't, you know. That's all right for me. Yeah, that's interesting, that's that's cool that you have that for kindergarten through sixth grade. That's very interesting. And then seventh to high school you go into town with

everybody else. Yeah. Yeah, but a lot of sometimes I think they must still teach them the solar system model, because I mean, I don't know where I would have got that from. I guess maybe I think they do down there. I mean I think they're kind of integrated a little bit like we do learn our language and stuff, but I'm not sure how that

works. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, but I do know that, like we learned math and stuff like that, right sure, And but yeah, I try to keep my kids like tell them a lot about this stuff. Yeah, that's the way to do it. We do too. Some of these videos will play with her right there. And we taught her both. We taught her halocentrism, like this is what they teach and this is what we believe. Mm hmm. Yeah that's a good one.

And yeah, so I think we have to we have to do these things because I mean, who else is going to do it, you know, I mean I don't want my kids growing up like the world's already crazy, you know, Like I don't know, like all this gender stuff is, it's crazy. It's insane. By the way, I posted on my Instagram today pet smart Um is celebrating Pride Month in June and they had a little a little advertisement with the puppies with their rainbows. So I guess we're

celebrating gay dogs now. You just can't. Yeah, sometimes I think is this for real or somebody going to just say, hey, just kidding. You've been pumped. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty crazy. Oh you just never ceased to amaze me. Yeah, pretty not m And that ties into going back to the activism I mentioned as somebody I said, just stuff happened back in the seventies or eighties. My dad, my grandparents would have thrown these people in a volcano. Yeah that's yeah, that's the thing he like.

Same with my Well, my great gard was she didn't take mapping from nobody. And I actually got to meet her. I think it was around twenty when she passed, and she always told me not well, she told the family not to don't put your money in the bank. She had a shoe box under her bed, that's where she kept her stuff. Yeah, and when she passed away, you know, the family divided it up. I was just young. I don't even know how much was there, but

I remember her saying that. So she was hipped to the bankers back in

the day. Huh yeah. Yeah. Well another thing too is I don't think they were teaching her like she wasn't teaching her kids the language and stuff, because at that time, as when the kids were getting scooped up, and they must I think everybody must have went like into like a hiding or something, because I've always heard them speak the language like walking around, um my great grandpa or my great grandpa and my great grandma, but they wouldn't teach it. So but when I when I got into school, right,

they teach us down there. That's interesting. But lately I've been watching this other channel called Archaics. I don't know if you ever heard of that guy, Jason Brushers. They do a lot of stuff on the simulation stuff, and I don't know, it's been pretty interesting. I think it's well, actually it's been a while now since I've been on his channel on maybe a year and a half, two years, okay, and oh wow, he's got over one hundred thousand subs. He just blew up in the past year

and a half two years. Wow. Yeah, he does a lot on the simula. He talks, he talks everything he talks. Well, the only thing is he doesn't come right out and say the Earth is flat. He still kind of uses the round model sort of, but he says because it's a simulation, so that's whatever your paradigm is, Like, if you

believe the world is round, you're gonna find evidence that it's round. But I don't know because when I when I set out to approve disprove that, right, I mean, and I found evidence for the flat, so I don't. This is the stuff dis intrigues me so much. It just, you know, I think about a lot. Yeah, and I get like when people write books, they have an agenda, and when people make videos

they have an agenda. But at the same time, if you're going in wholesale trying to prove or disprove something, then yeah, I think that might go against it. By the way, if you're in the Houston area, the founded Earth Brothers, who I had Josh on here back in I think February or March him and I guess both brothers and the whoever runs this Archaics channel are going to be in Houston on June tenth. Oh really, yeah,

that's pretty cool. I right now, I just my wife and I started a business in twenty nineteen, just before all this, I was I was doing roofing and we saved some money up and we started a small business in twenty nine right at the end of twenty nineteen, and we're actually still going. We did all right, but all things considering, right, I mean, but we still we still got it going. And that's just I couldn't work for people anymore either. Yeah that I would tell my boss about

all this stuff too, and you know he didn't. You know, my one friend, which actually reminds me. I think, you know, I told her not to take the shot, and she took it, and I haven't been able to get ahold of her like three months now, no kidding. Yeah. And a lot of people on my reserve passed away too, A lot of the elders, well, a lot of people in general, young people, old people, and nobody's it just it boggles my mind, Like how can nobody clue in? Nobody can put two and two together?

Yeah, Like like I said, right, I'm just you know, I'm nobody special. I don't know. I just it's so crazy to me. Did they pass some similar issues like myocarditis type of issues or oh yeah, yeah, yeah, blood clots, fricking rain bleeds. H yeah, myocarditis, preokideitus, all that. What was there? A wide variety of ages? Yeah there, Well I think a couple of people committed suicide too, but oh my gosh, yeah, it was. It's getting bad. I

mean, people do already see it, but it is getting bad. I just, you know, I pray every day for my close family members. Yeah, I warned them. I mean that's all I could do. And you know, I don't know. I just it's just crazy where this world is headed. And I just I want my children to grow up in a good world. Because when why was younger, you know, they said we're going to have all this cool stuff, you know, like back to the

future hoverboards and flying cards and all. That's where ice. I think that's that's where we should be right now, right and and that's funny. The only thing that we really accomplished out of all of those going back to like the Jetsons, that cartoon thing we really have is the face time where we can like talk to each other. M But the fact of the matter is we had that prior to that. The Germans had that in the thirties. They had that technology. So I mean it's not anything they make it sound

like. It's leaps and bounds. And sure it's wireless now so you don't have to be in a wired booth, but still it's you would think our technology, especially going from horses and steam trains, you know, cars didn't really come around officially till I think eighteen eighty five, and then we were flying planes twenty some years later, and then in fifties, you know, World War Two. I should say it was Warner von Brown who was behind the V two rockets. And of course, if you believe the story,

and that is a whole another rabbit hole in itself. Was this guy really a German scientist who came over with Operation paper Clip? Or was he just another actor on the world stage. Yeah? I think he was probably just another actor. Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things with that book he did with his protagonist name was Elon, and he did all those videos with Walt Disney. There's a lot of interesting things there. And of course his

headstone is a little head scratcher two. Oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty wild too. Yeah. I just wonder if some of these people at the end of their life, if like they just maybe they you know, they realized the truth or something, you'd they get a conscious they know they're about to beat their maker, right. Yeah, Well, hopefully more people will do so because it's interesting. A relative will try to tell you something, nobody will listen. But if a guy with a lab coat on the TV

or a famous actor says something, they'll believe them. Yeah. It's freaking nuts, isn't it. It's just, uh, it is. It's it's disheartening too. But we continue to plug along and you know, share our victories together on this podcast, which is one of the reasons I like to do that because you know, the big, the big you know, key to all this is getting people to accept or not to accept the information I'm

not telling. I don't want people to believe what I'm telling them. I want to take the information I give them and at least take the time to research it for themselves. Yeah, yeah, I believe this is this stuff is really important. And we just we got a week. We got a weak up. People. Everybody, you gotta, you know, say what you can because, like I said, I was I didn't even think I was ever going to say anything to anybody anymore after all this Corona stuff.

But like I said, coming across your podcast, it just kind of a little little fire inside me and no, I think I might get my channel going. And I had I had a couple of little videos on there. I had one about the like the waters above, like when they shoot those rockets up and there's that bright blue neon light. Yeah. I made a video about that, and I just I suggested it was like liquid helium three

above us, like that's the portion above us. I did a little bit of research on the liquid helium and I've seen a few There was a Russian scientist that was igniting gas helium gas inside of a vial and it was it burns that exact same color, bluish, whitish, orangeish like that. That's interesting. Yeah, there's there's so much, you know, I think I might get something going because there's so much information out there. I wish I

could just share with everybody like I've been. I don't know. I listen to anybody and everybody you know, UM, and then I use my discernment. And that's exactly the way it should be. Absolutely and that's why I and again i'm not telling I'm not aiming at any other podcast ors whatever. I'm just my methodology is I say, And that's what Bill Cooper said. Listen to everyone and discern for yourself. Because even the people who are controlled

UM are going to tell you certain things that are true. That's their way of saying, hey, we told you so m yeah, and don't they believe that too, that they have to tell you, yes, what they're doing beforehand. That's right. And listen Faucci, there's that famous video twenty seventeen. Faucci said that there will be a pandemic in the next administration, and it happened, and they're telling us now that there's another one common it's

going to be worse. And what's coming next year in the United States the next election cycle, so you can bet you're going to see a replay. They'll probably be another Summer of Love in twenty twenty four. Maybe it won't be the same playbook. Maybe it'll be a mass shooting or something else. It'll get the people spun up. The governmental and the controllers will spin it out, and then the next pandemic will come in the fall, and it's

they'll make it worse. They'll obviously they took COVID, they learned from their mistakes, and they're going to come back with a more complex playbook, and we'll see what happens. Maybe they'll kick it up a notch and really, maybe they'll put something in the waters and really come after people. Who knows these people are absolute psychopaths are PsyS. I just hope more people wake up. Honestly, am surprised how many people are talking about these things, even

like in chats fun channels. You see people. I follow this other guy named Lead Farmer seventy three. He's like a prepper guy, and he was talking about this stuff like and uh, people are waking up. You know, people had enough of this government or whoever, the illuminati, all these I just think they're rich billionaires and these families been in there for a long

time and they just you know, they run the show. Yeah. The it definitely goes back to the what's the name of that rich shipping company the man I'm gonna kick myself after this podcast, the very famous shipping company that goes back to like the sixteen hundreds. I'm not sure. Is it a I can't remember, is it India something? Yes, yes, exactly, the East India Company, right India, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they all go back. I mean that company has

been in business five hundred years. Yeah, that's pretty well. That's that's a lot of this. Uh, I just told you about that archaics guy. Yeah, a lot of stuff too, Like um, he does uh kind of like the jamatrea stuff, but he calls it something else. I think he calls it isometrics or something. Yeah, he does a lot of the numbers. He's he's really good. He's um. I would I would

recommend his channel. I mean, well, he's a former convict too, right, and something happened in his past, and so that's a lot of there's people that are making a big stink about that, which I mean, I don't know. That happened long time ago. He paid for you know,

he was in jail and he's out now. But apparently all that whole time he was in jail thing it was like twenty years or something, all he did was read books more from like the nineteen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds, old books in these old jails, I guess, and he retained all that information and he wrote a lot of it down. And so now when he got out, he's he's putting it all together in a presentation and he

talks about like this phoenix thing. I don't know. Yeah, I just I recommend his channel if people are into the Tartaria Jamtrea stuff like that. Yeah, it's I'm looking at it now. There's a couple of interesting things. He talks about. The you know, eighteen seventy one is a date that comes up a lot in our history books. The Organic Act of eighteen seventy one, where people say, you know, Washington and DC became incorporated.

Eighteen seventy one was when reconstruction really kicked off. And then there's this he has a video I'm looking at eighteen seventy one cyclical flood theory with Martin led Key. Oh yeah, that one is just that's a good one. That's a good one. And the other one, which looks really interesting was

man, I just had it in front of me a second ago. But talking about the Civil War, whether or not that actually happened or not, which is interesting because our family did some genealogy and we actually traced back to someone in her family who was killed in the Civil War. But again, how much of it is I mean, yeah, I don't know, but there's some interesting stuff here. I'm looking at it now. It's very interesting. Well, there was another story in my family. My great grandfather apparently

he went to what was it the Second World War? He was it's kind of not a funny story, but he tells it like it's funny. He says, he got on the I don't know if it was a submarine or a boat, but they were going across the ocean to fight Hitler, and Hitler got word that he was coming, so he gave up, so they turned around and came back halfway there. They didn't even get to land, no kidding. Yeah, that's kind of a funny thing. I would have

been nineteen forty five sometime. Huh Yeah, Yeah, that's a funny story. That's also there's some very interesting information. I'll have to check it out, and again I will. I'll put this in the show description, as well as the links to Pat King and the other events that happened in Canada that you had mentioned before. What was the name of that rally you guys had on. That's the one thing I need to pull back up in twenty twelve. I don't know more. I don't know more. Thank you.

Yeah, it was just like I think it was basically because we were all just kind of like the first Nations, people were just taking what they give us, right, like nobody was standing up for our rights or anything. Yeah, and then finally twenty twelve came and that that was. It was a really huge movement for the First Nations people, and I thought that was it. I thought we were gonna you know, I thought something was going

to come of that. I mean maybe a little bit of awareness came of that, but not as much, which as I think I would have liked. Yeah, Sadly, all these things, I think they all come up short because the government finally says enough and they just do whatever it takes to crush it. And they have the media. We always have to remember, they have the media at their disposal so they can make everybody to be the bad guy with their narratives. Yeah. Actually I remember too when they changed

all the It's just funny looking back on these things. I remember remember when they changed the news stations to like they all went to a under A must have been like a same corporation or something. In Canada, it's called CTV and in my area, I forget what it was called before that, but all the channels changed to CTV. So like, say you were out in Toronto, you had like your Toronto News at six or something, Well it was no, it's going to be CTV. And then same with like in

Vancouver or whatever. Right, they changed all the news stations. I think that was the beginning. Well, I think it was the digital if that's what it was. It was the digital. Uh, it went from antenna to digital. So I remember we used to be able to change the channels and with the fuzzy uh yeah, you find your channel like that. And then they took that away and it was all digital. You couldn't you couldn't search anything anymore. Yeah, he's like on your TV two thousand and four,

two thousand and five. Yeah, I think so around there, Yeah, yeah, because I do remember too. Growing up, we had so many independent television stations. And then of course there's the famous video. He was a stunt guy in California and he kind of woke up and he put out a video during COVID and it was they played all these television news outlets

from around the country and they were literally saying the same thing. But yeah, back in the day, there were some independent, many many independent television stations, and they used to be during journalists who actually did their job hub and you could even we had something called cable Access where you could buy thirty or sixty minute bundles from the cable company and you could go to the TV studio and have your own show. Absolutely, and that was a big thing

in the eighties and nineties here in the States. You could, you know, pay it was a reasonable amount of money and you could go in and do your own show. They had they provided the cameramen and everything else. But all that stuff is gone. Everything is gone. Is that kind of like what Alex Jones does? Something like that? Well, except it was

actually broadcast on cable television. Oh yeah it was. There was every cable company had their own cable access channel and it was just local people had their own shows throughout the day who would pay for programming. You know. Alex was more He always had his own outlet on his now he did do. I guess he had some for a while there. He did have some flagship radio and he still may have a few, but I think for the most

part, ninety five his viewers are on his website. Oh yeah, yeah, Well we're we hit the hour forty marks, so we should probably start to wrap up here. UM. I did want to first thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and moreover, sharing your perspective from your viewpoint. I would like to give you the floor here for a few minutes and you know, whatever you would like to talk about or any final words to to

the audience. All right, Well, I just want to say thank you first of all, and thank the Creator for this wonderful day and for this awesome interview. Um. I just want to say, I hope, you know, people wake up a little more. And uh, I think this is the time we've been waiting for. You know, this is the time that a lot of our ancestors are I've been talking about. You know,

there's I feel there's something coming. I don't know what it is, but I'll just say everybody, stay vigilant, you know, keep your head on a swivel as you like to say. Yeah, but I just want to leave with this little this little poem here. Yeah. They say that history is written by the victors, But how can there be a victor when the war isn't over? The battle has only just begun, and Creator sending his

very best warriors. And this time it is an Indians versus cowboys. No, this time it is all the beautiful races of humanity together on the same side, and we are fighting to replace our fear with love. This time bullets, arrows and cannonballs won't save us. The only weapons that are useful in this battle are the weapons of truth, faith, and compassion. Nuts from Lila June. Her name is She's she's got a YouTube channel. Well

she's a singer. That's uh the perfect way to end this, uh, this interview and this this first season, and for everybody listening at home, if you want to reach out to JJ, I will have both his email and his YouTube channel link, so you can reach out to him and say hello and share your thoughts with him, and uh, you know, don't be a stranger jj um. And to all the listeners, Um, keep

plugging away. If you find some successes, shoot us an email. Let us know how you were able to win over people or at least to get them to to look beyond what's put in front of them. You know, people are they like to be told the truth. It seems like work to them to have to dig into find the truth for themselves. So let's keep

plugging away and let's pray for everyone. And like JJ said, I think there's a lot of people who feel that something big is coming and we must remain vigilant, but at the same time, don't let the fear overcome us, overwhelm us. Stay yeah, absolutely, brother, stay positive, keep your head up and may don't let the That's what remember. Like I said, they want us to be afraid. Put it, put on the armor of God and put your chin up and do your best to spread the words.

So thank you again, JJ so much for sharing your time with us. Brother. It's been an absolute pleasure to have you, and I look forward to seeing everyone in season two. We'll kick off again in mid June. A lot of you will be getting emails from me to get June and July scheduled. We have I think twenty or twenty five people on the waiting list to get scheduled, so we'll get that going soon. For JJ, I'm George, God bless everybody. Take care of yourself and until next time, we won't see you