M The following presentation is in now Marvin Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Earth Files. As we're recording on this Sunday evening, May fourteenth, twenty twenty three. Hope everybody is off to a good week. As we're recording, it's actually Sunday night. This is actually getting released Wednesday night at eight pm, so this is at least midweek for you guys, if you're listening as
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how are you doing, sir? Now, I'm good, really excited for this. Hey, everybody, just thank you for having me on to George. This is this is awesome. Yeah, it's great. Um. We had a little conversation beforehand, and I think we're going to have just a tremendous podcast. If you will introduce yourself to the folks. Hey, I'm Kevin. I live in Wyoming. I lived in Wyoming all my life. I'm thirty two this year, have a wife, one year old daughter.
Um, just thankful to be alive in these times. It's kind of crazy with everything going on especially things that have happened within the past twenty years, even when I was when I was ten. It's and then just figuring out things like baby step by baby step, and that's that's kind of all I can I can say is that it just takes baby steps to figuring out this stuff because there's there's so many questions out there, and it's it's hard to
find what's real and what's not. So um just been a truth seeker for a little bit, been a Christian my whole life, and just trying to discern what's real and go by God's word to see where it leads me. Indeed, you know, you have to crawl before you can walk, and I think that resonates with the truth community as well. Once you start going down a rabbit hole and you become kind of a new truth or you immediately want all the answers right away. But I think and you may feel the
same way. I think there's a certain order of truth because it can be overwhelming if you realize, like if somebody would have thrown flat Earth at me right after Iraq at nine to eleven, I think it would have been too much. I think easing your way into certain truths and allowing the rabbit holes to connect, because that's how it really worked for me. I would I went deep down into nine to eleven, and that really connects with so many other rabbit holes, and then as you go down to the other ones,
it's just it's really a big spider web, is what it is. Yeah, definitely odd. Nine to eleven was my like I, like I spoke to in the pre interview, nine to eleven is kind of like my baby, with the way that everything conspired and the way it's kind of a funny
story. Actually, me and my family were on vacation in Hawaii and two thousand and who I want to say, two thousand and eleven, two thousand and twelve, I can't remember the exact year, but when it was at night, we kind of just started to relax in our condo and flipping through the channels, and all of a sudden, there was this documentary about nine to eleven. And it wasn't one of the typical documentaries. It was one that was kind of exposing the truth of nine to eleven. And I found
that I didn't find that odd in the time. I found it odd right now with them, you know, broadcasting that on on television back then, but a lot of the stuff they were saying made made quite a bit of sense. So that's when I would say that my eyes were opened two kind of the deceptions of the world, the mainstream media, all that kind of
stuff. So that's kind of where my journey began. Was just, you know, sitting in a condo in Hawaii on vaccasion, seeing this documentary play out on TV about you know, the most atrocious act you know that's happened in in my lifetime anyways, So that's insane that you saw that on vacation in Hawaiian, you know, at a condo. This wasn't like a YouTube video or this was an actual was it like loose Change? Do you remember the documentary? I can't. I've been I've been rattling my brain so hard
over the past few weeks trying to remember what the document Henry was. And that's why I asked you for any additional documentaries that you had, because coming by stuff nowadays is just so hard with all the censorship, and you can't find anything on YouTube. You can't, it's just it's nearly impossible. So yeah, it was. I mean I even asked my mom and dad about
a week ago. I was like, hey, do you remember when we were in Hawaii and we were just relaxing in our condo after a long day and scrolled across this this documentary about nine to eleven and what really could have happened? And they were like, yeah, we remember watching that. And my mom really wasn't invested in it at that time because she was she's she was kind of iffy on that. But me and my dad sat there and
watched it for a little bit and neither one of them knew. I still can't find because I figured something would have, you know, juggled in my brain to remember which one it was, but I can't remember. But it was going through you know, it was going through the controlled demolition process. It was going through the Bush and Cheney administration, and um, how al Qaeda and all of them weren't behind it, and how the nineteen hijackers weren't behind it. It was. It was very odd, but uh yeah,
this was broadcast on UH on public TV in Hawaii. In UH I want to say it was around twenty eleven, twenty twelve, so so you would have been eighteen, nineteen years old. At that time. Yeah, that's maybe what are the odds, um and maybe you would have have woken up down the road, But to be in Hawaii at that particular time to find that particular program, it's it's so funny how how the world works and how
God works like that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I I watched that, and you know, it kind of struck with me because you know, I'm just a you know, kind of a ding dong, you know, twenty year old kid. Yeah, and it uh, but it made sense.
And then you know, life continues on and kind of slips by the wayside and you don't really think about anything until maybe months or years later on, and then you know, other stuff starts to hit you too, like like flat Earth and JFK and just a just a multitude of stuff starts to hit you and wondering what the true narrative actually is behind this stuff. Now. But by the way, before I forget, I know, people like to go to bitch Shoot and Rumble, you know, these alternative websites.
But even I think bitch Shoot has become a little bit censored lately. There is a pretty neat website and I think it maybe at one time David Weiss had something to do with this. Maybe I don't know. But if you go to Stop Lookthink dot com, there's even a thing on the top September eleventh videos click here, and there is a pretty fair amount of information on nine to eleven on that website. And I say that there's a lot of
a lot of videos on that website. So again checkout Stop Loookthink dot com and they have flat Earth nine to eleven and the COVID scammed emic and everything else that you can think of on that website. Did you, you know, talking about your your awakening and your journey to the truth. Did you come upon the moon landing before you came upon flat Earth? I think it
was kind of intertwined with you each other. They were um because, like I was telling you in that first email, it I was I was searching on TikTok and all of a sudden, just out of know where, something about biblical truth popped up. And you know, I've been a Christian my whole life. But something about churches these days, they don't really preach about the creation. They don't. It's just I don't know, I don't know their process in and doing a lot of this stuff. But anyways, I've
never heard anything about the creation and how he created everything. I mean, I've read Genesis, but never heard any you know, any teachings on it. But I started to go down the and it kind of makes me laugh of all things that TikTok truth rabbit hole. So um, I started to see you know, weather balloons being sent up one hundred and one hundred and
twenty thousand feet with a flat horizon. And then I started to see some with NASA and their great deception with the moon landing, and even with buzz All Drinks slipping up a few times and saying that he's never been to the moon and yeah, we'd never have done this or never done that. It was kind of intertwined with one another with figuring out flat Earth and figuring out NASA's lies over over what it seems to be probably what fifty sixty years now.
Yeah, and you would think if we actually had a real media that wasn't controlled by the the you know, the controllers at the top of the puppeteers, the two particular videos, you think they would have grabbed and it would have been on the six o'clock New was one would have been Don Pettit just the ridiculousness of what we had the technology. But you know, Jim lost the password to the lock and it got stolen and it was you know, it was hocked at a punch shop in Houston, down the road from
here. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. All the evidence has been destroyed, all the technology has been destroyed. It's yeah, it's yeah. That was that one. That one made me laugh for sure. Yeah. Again
the only time in history that technology has gone backwards. But the other one that really should have been leading the six o'clock news was buzz saying, well, it didn't happen that way when he was having I think you were alluding to when he was having the conversation with that young lady, right, yes, yes, the little girl where Yeah, And of course even if it did, they would probably say, well he's he's in his nineties, and you know he didn't really mean what he said, right yeah, yeah.
What was there a particular piece of information when you were looking at the moon landing, when you were like, wow, this is really like with many people for flat Earth, that was the curve for me, excuse me, with the moon landing, it was the shadow is going in multiple different directions. Was there something that really grabbed you when you were looking at that? No, I don't know if there was any one thing that kind of grabbed
me. It was just it was the multitudes of things. The shadows, like I said, I I was a photographer for a while, which you know, stuff like that doesn't work that way, The lighting shadows, the crater that should have been left when they took off, you know, leaving their cameraman behind, stuff like that, the reflections in their in their visors with not having clear vice, there's nobody seeing anybody's face. And then just you know, wondering, you know, who took the first steps on the
moon? Was it the cameraman or was it you know, somebody else because it's and then just you know, hearing about I'm having a brain fart now with who who supposedly directed it? Oh yeah, but um, and then seeing photos of Kubrick and the astronauts together and then a few other people together, and then hearing testimonies of other people who who were involved in some of that stuff. It's just it was kind of like a just a montage of stuff that kind of hit me that it was like, Okay, well,
this didn't happen. And then you look back at the the biblical side of it too, and it's just like, Okay, you know this, this definitely couldn't have happened. So yeah, so you know, you've been a Christian all your life, was there ever a point in time prior to being awakened to the flat Earth where you've read the word firmament in Genesis and you stopped and thought and actually thought about that word, because I know I didn't.
No, I didn't either, And that's the thing. It's just like I was saying about the Church, they don't their their main thing is, you know, they touch on some stuff in the Old Testament, but it seems like to me that they teach heavily on the New Testament and very slightly on the Old. And I never, from my memory, I can't remember anything about tearing sermons or speeches about you know, the creation and about Genesis or at least you know, the first half of Genesis per se. But
it didn't it didn't click for me. It. I didn't start reading heavily into the Old Testament until after, you know, I started down this rabbit hole. So I used to read Psalms and I've read the Book of Joe, but I've never dived deep into, you know, all of it as a whole. So reading the the Creation account kind of kind of opened some some some things for me because you know, right there in Genesis won six,
it states the firmament. And I I figured out what the firmament was through through TikTok and through other other Flatters videos, And that's that's kind of sad when you when you proclaim to be a Christian or you go to church your whole life, and then you know something that's right there in the the first six seven verses of the Bible in his states the firmament, depending on you know, what translation you have, because that word was changed in multiple
translations, but it's it's right there, and you know, just the normal person nowadays might not know what the firmament is, and they might have to Google it or even go maybe on yandex or one of these other search engines and actually see what information there is about the firmament. But yeah, that it was. It was a complete eye opener to me that I've never never thought about it. I always thought that we were on a on a spinning
ball going through space, and that's that's pretty much it. I took NASA's word for it, and the history books word for it, and the science books word for it, because that's what that's what we're taught for, you know, twelve to sixteen years, depending on if you go to college. Yeah, and then you pay six figures to be inductrinated even more, which is funny when you sit back and think about it. By the way, for those who are looking for alternative search engines, yandex YA and d e
X and Brave is actually a very good one as well. And it's interesting if you put something in Google and put the exact same thing in Bravery, yandex you'll see a couple similarities, but they do a much better job. Google is just going to lead you to what they want you to to see, just like a YouTube in their algorithm. Yeah. Yeah, and that's one thing that I've had a lot lot of troubles with. That's why I
think it's kind of comical at to a point. But TikTok has and I guess TikTok is the same as all of them, because there's been TikTok videos that I've seen where you know, you save them and then you know, it wouldn't even be days later and there's there's no video there anymore. So kind of this similar thing with YouTube to where people keep uploading videos getting censored and then they'll just make a completely different channel uploading for a few people to
see, and then they get taken down again. So yeah, Google, is that's a whole nother rabbit hole to go down. Yeah, that that is, And um, I'm going to be doing on the other podcast to be breaking down. Um, there's probably some people who don't know, but there was something around by DARPA called Lifelog which was very similar to Facebook.
Can they shut it down literally the day before Facebook kicked off. The next day Facebook takes off and everybody's introduced to this new actor on the world stage, Mark Zuckerberg, And of course just another coin for the coincidence, jar I guess, yeah, so yeah, And I just thought it was interesting that the golden age of YouTube was about twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen and people would be able to upload stuff without as much sensorization, and you know,
that was one of the times where flat Earth was actually at the top of the search results along with you know, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton because that's when the election was going on, so I mean it was it was pretty far up there. And then it's just I don't know if they got they got wind of a lot of this stuff and with it, I mean it goes along with nine to eleven too, because that's, uh, that's another
big one that's being censored. Nine to eleven and flat Earth or two of the top censored things out there when it comes to when it comes to video and information. So it was just crazy to figure out that flat earth was at the top of the search results for Google and YouTube in those years, and then they got wind of it, and then Google acquired YouTube, and all of a sudden, it's no information anymore. Now. If you go to YouTube and put in flat earth, now you just debunked, debunk debunk
right then. Yeah. Actually, the treat to YouTube, what I'll tell you, is put in whatever you're searching for and then go into you know how you can manipulate the search and do it by date and you may not get exactly what you want right away, but you'll get a whole different look
at things. That's how I usually find videos on YouTube. But it's interesting if you look at like there's truth or websites that's been around for ten years and kind of abandoned, and you'll see like check out these videos and they're all removed, removed, removed, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, they've just killed all these videos. Yeah. I never thought about it that way with looking up as as a date that would be. I'm kind of interested to try that now. Yeah, so pop anything and you can
even put flat earth. I'll do it right now into YouTube press center and Neil de grass Tyson grand Hancock debunks flat earth theory inside a flat Earth convention where nearly everyone believe that Earth isn't around. So again, if you're a normy and you just maybe you were at work and you heard somebody mentioning and you say you go to YouTube and do it. After you look at the
first three intros, you're like, I'm out of here. But if you click on filters and hit upload date, you'll see what is the firmament Biblical flat Earth explained, and you'll start seeing there's a flat Earth discord Live AI debunks NASA space balloons. So of course you're going to see others in there because there's a lot of people who, for one reason or another spend their time going after flat earthers, which I mean, it's their time, their
thing, but hey, there you go. But yeah, if you search by upload date, you'll have a lot more success, at least on YouTube. Okay, yeah, I never thought about that before. So where were we flat Earth? What? When? Where did you discover? I guess I've even asked you that. How did you come out on the flat earth
rabbit hole? Um? It was on TikTok with one of those biblical Oh that's where you did mention that yet, yeah, videos, and it had the voice overlays of you know, flatter Dave and then Eric Dubai and um, it was. It was very because I was just a little bit of FYI. I was on lockdown for covid I got covid um in uh late twenty twenty one and had to stay home from work for seven days. And it was it was. It was a crazy time. A lot of stuff
was revealed in that week. I did a lot of praying during that week for for discernment, for for for God yahweh to open my eyes to to certain things. And then it kind of hit me like a ton of bricks. See these uh, like I mentioned before, these high altitude helium balloons being sent up one hundred thousand, hundred twenty thousand feet and you don't see any curve. And then they were quoting scripture and there was some one there by Eric Dubai the what is it, the two hundred or one hundred proofs
and then um, yeah, it was. It was a crazy week for me. It was because I think that happened on the first or second day of me staying home, and then every day my wife would get home from work, I'd have something new, would do shower, and it was just, uh, it was. It was a crazy experience having, um, having all this shown to you and then not realizing that that everything in front of you is either here to deceive you or to push a narrative. And
honestly, it sucks so bad to say that. It sucks that. You know, people go to school, you know, kids go to school every single day of the school year and are taught and forced to to learn this stuff and just to have it regurgitated through them and where there's it couldn't be farther from the truth. And that's what that's what breaks my heart the most as these these kids going to school, these people in college still being indoctrinated.
And even that word to me right now is getting a little old because I use it so much now, but it's the truth. And you know, seeing all this, seeing the seeing all of the experiments that the actual scientists do and actually did from the and I forget their names. I had had some notes written down, but I don't have those anymore, from the late eighteen hundreds to current time now, like Airy's failure, and it's just it's just appalling to me that, you know, I figure this stuff out
and it rattles, it rattles your reality. And some people don't want anything to do with it. They look at it like it's hokum and they just toss it aside. But it's it's just incredible now with looking out at at God's creation for what it truly is, because I had never looked at it like that before. I had always looked at it like, Okay, you know, I'm a I'm just a kid, this is just another day, or you know, I'm a young adult, this is just another day.
Gotta go make money, gotta you know, pay the bill. But then you know, you figure this out, or you see actuable scientific experiments being played out or had had already been played out to prove that we're we're stationary,
we don't go anywhere, we don't move. You know, there's a firmament, there's you know, Operation Fishbowl, There's all these kinds of things that you can research and look into, and it just it kind of shakes me, and it truly breaks my heart for for people that even my dad's age, my dad's going to be sixty, and he wants he wants nothing to do with it. He doesn't want to listen to me, he doesn't
want to do anything of the sort. And it just it breaks my heart that these millions and millions of people have been have been lied to, and they either continue to go with it or they don't care, or the very slim margin of people decide to actually do some digging and look into it. Yeah, and you said something that seems to be a common theme when I
interview people, And you said, I'm reading verbatim from her email. It says the truth sets you free, but it also makes you look like an outcast or someone who was shunned from their family and friends just from opening my eyes. And again this is a common theme from just about everyone I've interviewed. Yeah, it's a it's it's very very difficult to deal with at times. Thank God for my life. She is very very receptive of this,
and God bless her heart for being that way. My mother actually is is coming around and being receptive of this because my mother is a very very devout, faithful Christian woman and you know, she she'd never heard anything like this before. And me and her decided to have a conversation about this and still kind of have, you know, small conversations about this when the time is is right, when certain other people aren't around because they don't want to want
anything to do with it or here about it. But she is very receptive. And I've done some biblical research and some like listening to people as yourself and people as of Flatter Dave and Eric Dubai and watching the the Level documentaries. And I think he's coming out with a new one here soon Level with me. Yeah, that came out I think on the twenty second April second.
Yeah, and it's it's very it is very difficult. It's and like I was saying before, with these these kids, and young adults being taught this and them not really you know, paying mind to any of it. They're just there to take tests and regurgitate and not doing really any critical thinking of their own. But it just breaks my heart for people that that either don't want to open their eyes or don't want to do any critical thinking themselves.
But yeah, it is, it's very it's very difficult. It makes you feel like an outsider, and with you know, not to go on a rant of any sort, but somebody that deals with anxiety or whatever on on somewhat of a regular basis, it makes it even harder because you know, you you don't know what to do, you don't know where to turn to, you don't know who to talk to, and all you want to do is to just um in. In my perspective, is to spread God's
love, burst off, but then teach the actual creation and you know, just uh and go from there and actually have everything that's in the Bible spoken about, not just you know, cherry picking here and there and and then ignore and override the rest. It's it's very difficult. Because my father actually went and spoke to one of our administrative pastors at our church and asked him about this, and they both kind of just scoffed and they were like, oh, well, you know, what does it matter. Oh that's a
shame, And it kind of hurt a little bit. But I wasn't really expecting anything anything less than that. Yeah, but when you think about it, if your father took the time and effort to go sit down and talk to them about it, they should have assumed and realized how much it meant to you. Yeah, and uh, and that's what you think. But then it's just it's a convoluted dynamic to with dealing with family members and dealing
with friends and strangers. It's it's very convoluted game, and it's it's hard to it's hard to not necessarily persuade, but it's it's even hard to open people's eyes to the truth and even and the saddest part is that that these are people high up in the in the church congregation. So it just, uh, like I was saying it, I wasn't expecting anything less, but it certainly did, you know, hurt a little bit. Like you guys
are you guys are the one coming up with the sermons every week. You guys are the ones in the word, you know, every day or supposedly every day, and it's just it's it's very sad, and it does break my heart that you know, even people of the church aren't don't really care about it and don't really want to step into that step into that area of what's truth, what's real? What what God's words says? And yeah, it's a it's very hard road to walk, for sure. Yeah, two
things, when when the when the uh? But I think you said the assistant pastor said, you know, what is it? What's the difference or what does it mean? You know, that's the that's the million dollar question. And it means everything. It quantifies it, it validates that this was smartly created for us. This was no accident. And you know, it's sad because like today, we had a brunch, you know, our family
had a brunch for for Mother's Day. And when I'm in those types, I'm like you, I'm I'm an anxious person, but I also love having conversation about truth. Obviously I do these podcasts, but sometimes I feel like I can't even be myself because that's that's who I am, right. I love to talk about the truth, and you just can't I can't get that done in that type of atmosphere. Just you get shut down, and then you know, there's a whole range of emotions you go through, including why
even am I wasting my time? Um? So that's something that you know, we talk about all the time, is how can we be better? How can we convey the message better to get people? And I've said less, it's more, and we've had all kinds of ideas, but at the end of the day, there's been so many, so many examples of the government lying. I wish people would be more receptive to hearing these these truths. Yeah, and just a couple of points on that too. You you
hit it spot on. There's it's just it's very difficult to to be yourself anymore. And because I used to you know, I'm a little bit of a nerd, not afraid to put that out there, but I used to collect football trading cards. Baseball trading cards. Used to know, you know, all the players, the position they played, the years they won titles, you know, all this stuff. And then something like this hits you and it completely changed me as a person. And I'm not trying to trying
to glow or be prideful right now. But God has a very very distinct way on how he interacts with every single one of his creations and every single one of his people. And in my way, it was I spent the majority of my younger years, you know, fascinated with sports and fascinated with space and space exploration. And me and my family would get together and watch the Super Bowl and watch the Stanley Cup, and watch the World Series and
watch even even the playoffs. I mean even if I'm from Wyoming, so our go to teams were like the Denver Broncos, the Colorado Rockies, the you know, the Colorado Avalanche, and we would watch their games do all this. We knew all the players, and then you know, you have this dumped on you, and God's like, all right, your life's gonna change, buddy, hope you're ready for it. And none of that, none of that stuff even matters to me anymore. I mean, I couldn't
tell you one single player on a team anymore. And it's and he did it very slowly too. It's not like it just you know, boot bomb dropped on you over night and it happened. It was it was years of God, you know, working in my life to kind of structure me a certain way to when he wanted me to find this stuff out, he would reveal it to me, and from from then on, it's just it's been
a game changer. It's, you know, all I want to do when I go over to family functions or you know, even have you know, a couple of friends over, it's, um, you know, I want to sit down, I want to see how they're doing, you know, make sure they're doing good, and you know, chit chat with them for a little bit, and then I just like, there's so much information that I'm just like, Okay, have you have you thought about this? You
know, have you have you heard about this? And to a point, you can do that with certain people, but then it just you you can't really in other situations, and then it makes you wonder, you know, what are you doing? You know, you're just hanging out with these people that that don't that you know, for a lack of better words, that don't care, and you're you don't feel like you can be yourself around anybody really, and it just it puts you in a whole kind of So that's
that's the part that hurts the most. Yeah, somebody said something really really eye opening today. Um. They said, you are what you consume. You know. They used to say back in the day when you're in school, you are what you eat. Right, If you eat uh stuff with a lot of sugar and grains and too much, you're not going to be healthy. But I think it's smarter the way he said it is. You are what you consume, you know, and that doesn't mean just food.
He's talking about what you listen to, what you watch, etc. And it does make a big difference because and we're not just talking about your diet pre awakening. You know, people you'd spend your weekends maybe watching a movie that you shouldn't really be watching, or listening to music with words you shouldn't be listening to. All that stuff. It really applies to your hygiene, your physical and your spiritual and your mental hygiene. And I think like you
were saying, and I think that is a common theme as well. I was the same guy. I'd come home from work, eat dinner and I'd go immediately to the TV seven o'clock, you know, as the Phillies on or the Eagles on, is the Flyers on? You know, trying to find something to watch. I'd watch golf, it didn't matter. I watched the Arena Football League, anything with sports, Australian rules football, I would watch. And then you realize, you know, I did, at least
I thought backwise. Wow, I mean all the hours if you were to add them up, that you just sat in front of the box doing nothing, just looking at it, and sure it's being entertained. And once or twice a year, I'll I'll go out to a ballgame or something with a family member or something. Just again, you can't be in the rabbit hole twenty four seven, three sixty five. You'll drive yourself crazy, but you can't immerse yourself in it either. You're you're missing so much of the world
in life. And that's one thing I'm sure I've mentioned a few times is since realizing that they're slat, we have a firmament this was created for us. I actually, you know, not to sound like an old hippie, but I do enjoy looking at nature a lot more, you know, I guess I just took it for granted. Yeah, and that's exactly to the
point that I was making too. Ever, since I you know, whether you want to call it having my eyes opened or you know, I guess that's what I'll go with is looking out on his creation now compared to back then. It puts me in so much more of a state of awe than it did before. You know, I'd go out and like I said, I've I've been to Hawaii. I've seen the Hawaiian sunsets, and you know, they were cool. You know, but if I were to go back there now and see it, it would it would it would blow my mind
with how things work and how he makes them work. And it astonishes me just I mean every every time I go out to like Walmart, or I have to go to anywhere fill up with gas or anywhere late at night and just look up at the stars or look up at the moon. And the moon is a whole other subject in its own and it's just it's appalling. You look at it and you're like, wow, this is this is different,
this is this is something crazy here. You know, we we probably will never fully understand, but this is amazing looking at Polaris, the North star, you know, looking at and like I said, I was a photographer doing doing time lapses of the stars at night and having all of the stars rotate around Polaris. And like I said about the moon, and a couple things that I figured out about the Moon was, you know, there's I don't ever like to speak about anything that I can't actually put evidence or
fact behind. Sure, So you know, like the nine to eleven dust, how there's traces of nanotherrmite and thermite and stuff like that. You know, that's blatantly right there in your face proof. But speaking on God's creation and stuff, it's hard to sometimes figure out actual proofs. But just like the map of the Moon and looking at how the the dark spots on the Moon could correalesce with with land masses down here, like it's some sort of
a reflection. That was something that I stumbled across. And I don't know much about that, but that was something different that I read about and watched videos about. And then having looked at crow Triple sevens videos and watching his videos about the lunar wave, that that was something weird to say the least, that was, that was a weird one for me to come across. Yep. Indeed, indeed, I think you know, the two biggest lie is obviously one is you know, the heliocentrism in a nutshell, that we're
on a ball, we're spinning, hurling through space. That's a big lie. But the lies of the moon. And again this goes back to I wish there was I guess more preachers that would And again, I'm not a church baschler. I hope I don't come across like that because I'm not. But because we were all guilty of this growing up and reading the Bible. We'd read the Bible, and I talked about this to our local pastor.
I ran into him two weeks ago. We kind of had this conversation where people show up to church and we talk one thing, and then we go out to we send our children off to school and they get taught about evolution and everything else. And that's one of the big reasons why we decided to homeschool. But the other big lie, which goes directly against you know, Genesis one is God created two lights. You didn't create one light and one dusty ball that had a reflection on it. And that is a very big
key to me. When he became a flood earth. I reread Genesis fifty times and I don't know about you, but again I had a wide range of emotions. I felt free, and then I got mad because at that point I had, you know, i'd already gone through nine to eleven, which you know, you know what I did for living for quite some time. I felt betrayed and used, and that was quite an emotional roller coaster. But I'm like, is there anything in my life I haven't been?
Like? Is anything real? That? I mean, it was a big, big deal to me. How about yourself? Yeah, that was I mean, the whole thing is just big and it's hard to uh, it's hard to unravel two because it's like you're at this center of a tortilla that's just been wrapped and wrapped and wrapped and wrapped, and you got to just
try to get through the layers of everything. It's uh, it's very difficult, from you know, the moon landing to the secrets of Antarctica, to you know, Antarctica being this huge land mass that's at the bottom of our of our globe, to it possibly being the um the outer ice wall that surrounds the entire Earth, and um, you know, like Captain Cook and his expedition going around and circumnavigating Antarctica. I think it was Captain Cook that
did that sixty thousand miles and took him with three years. Yeah, sixty thousand miles and it was like three years and eight days or something like that. And then uh, just all the numerology that's beyond or behind everything, like, um, the moon's diameter, it's like six times six times sixty and that equals out to what equals a diameter of the moon, and that's you know, three sixes. And then um, a listener that you had
on and it you even responded to this too. It's like everything that God creates, Satan and his minions have a counterfeit for and it it didn't really strike me until I heard it, but yeah, it's just you get in this phase of what's real, you know, you start to you start to question everything, and you start to kind of look like a buffoon. Yep, it's Satan. You're right. Satan perverts everything everything. It's exactly. They don't create anything, He just takes it, perverts it. Yeah,
and it's so it's so hard to discern nowadays. And you just for me anyways, I just I keep praying, I keep looking at what's in front of me, I keep doing research along with you know, because you can't, like you said, you can't dive down so deep that you just get swallowed up by this stuff. But you know, take take an hour a day, you know, do some research, you know, and you know,
make the make the discernment for yourself. Pray that yahweh gives you, gives you hints here and there and you're able to discern it for yourself. And yeah, everything's just appalling to me nowadays. Just like the just like the stars, the stars are our you know, our yearly clock, if you would say, and they could also be used as a map. And then you know the moon is our monthly calendar, and then you know the
sun is our our daily time clock. I mean, He creates these things very inked and very uh in wits with what we need to know and how we can circumnavigate life. And they're they're right in front of our faces. And nowadays people don't use any of that stuff. You know, it's all uh, it's all old school stuff or it's all uh, you know, forgotten history or you know, whatever people want to call it these days.
But that's what God created them for, you know, like you were saying, God created a light for the day and a light for the for the night. And you know he's, uh, he's not saying he created a dusty gold rock that's gonna you know, revolve around the Sun or excuse me, the Earth. It's it's right there for us. It has a purpose.
And yeah, everything everything he just appallsed me. Nowadays. You know, we we we rotate at a thousand miles an hour, and we rotate around the Sun at sixty six point or sixty six thousand, six hundred miles an hour. There's your triple six is and then we're plummeting through space at what is it almost half a million miles an hour. I mean, it's
just it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Just like the the circumference of the Earth is like what twenty four twenty four thousand miles somewhere around that it's between twenty four and twenty five thousand, I believe. Yeah. And then the whole Captain Cook thing with with circumnavigating Antarctica and it taking you know, three years and close to sixty thousand miles. Okay, well where do you
get that math? That's where does where does this line up at? Because sixty thousand miles, according to my view, is a lot larger than you know, the equator of the Earth. So yeah, it's just it's just kind of odd to me. It's funny if you go to Google and use Google for this one, folks put in how long would it take to circumnavigate Antarctica? You want to take a guess what the answer is? In days? What would it be? What? What's the Freemason's favorite number? Thirty
three? There you go, the voyage would take thirty three days. You gotta love it. It's right there in your face. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, there's there's so much stuff to just I mean, not even take a shallow dive into, but just take a deep dive into. And I mean one thing after another. It's just and George, to be completely honest, I didn't know about any of this stuff two years ago, and it's just it's it's odd. It's just very odd to me that.
And I mean I can picture myself being, you know, a twenty nine thirty year old guy going through life not knowing any of this stuff, and
then all of a sudden, you know, having my eyes open. So I'm not gonna you know, I'm not going to judge people that don't know about it yet, but it gets very hard when you try to talk to people about it, when you try to talk to people about Antarctica, when you when you try to talk to people about like Operation Fishbowl, or when you try to you know, say that like I mean, I think you've even said it when you like you're saying like on a on a sunny Sunday
morning, you're sitting here, and then you decide to take a hike, and the sun feels so much hotter, and the rays feel like there's so much more intense, even when you just are up maybe two three four thousand beat in elevation, And I mean, how could that happen if the sun is ninety three million miles away? I mean, that's just that's just a human hair compared to like a full blown twenty foot living room exactly. So
it's just yeah, and it's just it's appalling to me. I just I'm flabbergassed at a lot of this stuff because you see what you're taught, and you see you see all this stuff that you start to research, and none of it, none of it makes any sense. Their their numerology the way that they do math, the way that it's like they pick a pick a number and they do the math to fit that answer. Yeah, they say, this is the answer we want and then they kind of like reverse engineer
it, right. Yeah. So it's just, yeah, it's a lot of this is is very hard to wrap your head around. But at the end of the day, I mean, the evidence is right there in front of your face. So I just I don't like to bad mouth people because you know, I don't think that I don't think Yeshua, you know,
Jesus, I don't think he would do any of this. He would just he would love and care for people and try to try to spread the truth to people, which I mean, this isn't probably on his uh and his top five list of his agenda to spread, but it's there, you know, it's there for people to learn, it's there for people to know that, you know, he created everything through him. So it's just yeah, it's just, uh, it's it's very difficult to try to try to wrap
your head around it is. But because I'm sorry, go ahead, Bud editman interrupt you. No, you're good. It's just but if you can then you know, props to you. You know, you're you've you've either got God's discernment on your side or you've you've got you've got Him working in your life in some way or manner that maybe you're not even a Christian, but he is. He may be he may be working in your life in
some sort of way. Yeah, because most people, when they find the truth, no matter what it is, the first instant is to share it. And uh, you know, many of the truths people are willing to listen to, even you know, at work the theories, but there's a couple of them that you just can't bring up. And it is a little
like you said, it is a little frustrating. But at the same time, there was a point of our life where we were all asleep, and that's something I try to remember, and even people will email me and say, hey, listen, you know we were all asleep at one point, and I that's why I don't. You know, Bill Cooper used to use the word sheepull and but I you know, looking back, I understand his frustration. This guy wrote a book and spent you know, he was on
the radio for a little over a decade. I think exposing the truth. He wasn't a flat earther, and there was you know, we don't. We all have our you know, opinions and ideals. But I understood where
he was coming from. And it is very it can be very frustrating because once, like if you go back to think about that movie They Live, once you finally put that guy in the aadlock and stick the eyeglasses on, and they see, it's a whole different world, and you just all you want is, you know, people in your circle to be able to see the same thing you do. But again, it's just a it's a tricky slope. I want to put you on the spot just a little bit.
There's no correct answer, so don't worry about it. But we're working on this. I always talk about less as more. This is kind of the perfect time to segue. And we're coming up with this idea to get these business cards with just a website on it, Like check this out. Just hand out these little business cards with a website and like open your eye, just a couple little things on it, just to trigger them enough to get
them curious enough to go to the web website. And you know, if you go to any public speaking course, like if you've gone to a community college or any college, that's normally one of the first courses you'll take as public speaking, and they always tell you you normally have about thirty seconds to get somebody's attention. If you don't, nine times out of ten, they're going to they're just going to check out mentally. So yeah, I'm asking you to pitch this to you. So we hand out these cards to a
certain website. I'm not going to publicize it because I don't want somebody to buy it. And then there goes that idea, but that they get curious enough they go to the website. I want to have a video on the very front, just a two minute video. If you were you know, if you were in charge of this project, what is the most If you had to squeeze something in two minutes to get somebody's attention on flat Earth, what would you what would you do? Ooh, that's that's a that's very
heavy. Um, I don't know. I think the things that reached out to me the most were, Oh, I mean that's tricky, George, that's a that is tricky because I know for me it was with me being of Christian background, I had already had the knowledge that God created everything and he created it through Jeshua. But I don't know how people standpoints on that would be. So I don't know if that would be something that you would have in that you know, two minute video, even though it is the
truth. Yeah, in in you know, in mine and yours eyes and you know probably some of our listeners eyes. But oh that's loaded. Man, you're putting me on the spot. So well, let me float my idea to you. And this is again it's two minutes, and you'll be surprised how much you can fit into a two minute video. But I was thinking, and again we're just starting to spit ball here. We're weeks away
from even getting this thing completely rolling. But it starts with I think most people who a shoe flat Earth don't really know about heliocentrism, So I wanted I was thinking at least it starting like, are you sure we're living on a ball? Are you sure the sun is ninety three million miles away? Are you sure we're spending at you know, a thousand miles an hour just to put plant that instead of just saying, hey, it's flat, starting
to I think, before you can show someone flat Earth. You need to debunk their theory and then reel them in with pictures of lakes not moving and things like that. Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Uh. I was. I'm kind of thinking along the same lines as you, because most people that believe that we are on a spinning ball going through space at half a million miles an hour, they don't even know the numbers, No
don't, they don't. They don't either they don't care to know the numbers, or it just they don't remember the numbers from what they've been taught. And yeah, that's very tricky because, like I was saying that, one of the things that hit me the hardest was that NASA would always use fish eye lenses. You know, even even on the Red Bull Jump with Felix bung Gardner, he to eat had the fish eye lens on the outside of
his capsule. But and it looks like on the inside of his capsule was maybe a wider lens, like maybe a like a like a thirty five millimeter lens, but not something like terribly wide like a fish eye lights, like
a like an eight to fifteen millimeter lens. But on the inside of his capsule is a you know, there's a flat horizon behind him, and then you know, you to send these helium ballooms, balloom, Sorry, I'm getting tongue tied over, and they send up these balloons that are you know, one hundred thousand, hundred and twenty thousand feet and it's nothing but a flat horizon, and the horizon will always meet you at eye level instead of you know, if we lived on his fear, you know, you go
up, you'd have to continue lee, you know, tilt your camera down just to be able to see what's beneath you instead of in you know,
the horizon always meeting your eyeline. So I don't know, I think that could be a point that could be thrown in there, you know, the whole fish eye lands, the whole points of you know, because all these people, you know, they slip up from now and then they do you know, Bill Nye has slipped up, Neil de Grass Tyson has slipped up, you know, and even Neil de Grass, the Prince of science these days. You know, uh, he's speaking about how you know, the
whole red bull jump. He wouldn't be able to see curvature, and it's just like okay, well, you know, Felix bung Gardner in his interview said that he saw curvature and he's not he's not extremely high up, but he's he's pretty far up there. So I mean, everything just kind of contradicts itself. And I think that that's something that you might be able to lead with, is the contradiction of everything, because sooner or later, somebody's
gonna slip and say something. And I always refer to your podcast because I listen to them so much along with a few others, and do research for myself. But you know, you have very good points on your podcast, and you say that Satan will always or God will always tip Satan's hand. He's never going to reveal the full truth, that's right, but he'll always, you know, factor out something to where people of true discernment will be able to pick up on and they'll be like, oh, okay, well
here's a breadcrumb that you laid out for me. Where does it go? You know, you don't know where the next breadcrumb may be, but that's for you to for you to figure out. He's always going to tip his hand. And I think the contradictions are everywhere, and they are with either it be numerology, whether it be reverse engineering their math, whether it be with them, you know, even slipping up on you know, like a
news broadcast or or some sort of podcast that's being recorded. You know, they're they do slip up, and then they have to correct themselves, and they have to put out these lousy excuses for themselves for even slipping up to go along with their true false narrative, you know it, maybe that would
be something. But the things that strike out to me are the elevation factor with nothing ever showing curvature, with the science experiments that have been done that prove that we do not go anywhere to prove that, you know, every single year, on that same exact day, the stars are going to be in the same exact spot, how the moon goes through its cycle every single
month, I mean, and then the whole Antarctica thing. That Antarctica is just a mystery in its own because nobody, nobody really knows what's down there. So I mean, those are just me spitballing a few ideas of what could maybe be implemented into that video. Is their contradictions and their kind of pseudo science or um, you know, the the sun, the moon, the stars and how they all work. Yeah, that's all all great ideas.
And I always say even the people who were the most asleep, who just consume you know, sports TV and Facebook or whatever, those people, everybody's familiar with it with the number six sixty six, And if you would just point out again, you know, sixty six thousand, six hundred miles, the axis twenty three point four obviously is six, you know, leaves you at a sixty six point six degree angle. Just all that numerology with
the sun, I think that would get their attention as well. And the little clips of again the knucklehead Don Pettit saying you know, well we'd go back to the moon, but we lost the technology, and then with like buzz Aldrin saying well it didn't happen that way. I think if you, I think that would be enough just to get their attention. And that's what you want to do. You want to get them in the door, just like a car salesman, right, you want to get them in the door.
You want to get them on the car a lot. And then then once you get their attention, then you can start, you know, really pitching the truth. And of course yeah, I would certainly put I would definitely include God in there as well, not one because at the end of the go ahead, but go ahead, no, no, you're good, go ahead. I was just going to say, because at the end of the day, that is the most important is saving souls. That is number
one, without a doubt. Yeah, that is that is number one, without a doubt, the most important thing that that you know, we're here for. And I mean I may be taking a different approach than know some other listeners or whatever, and I hope that they they hear me and they hear you, and maybe other listeners have kind of stated at this point, but human life is the most important thing on this earth. There's there's nothing
more. There's nothing more important. And you know, if you it's that's you know, that's just a whole another conversation on its own, pretty much that could take hours of time discussing is is human life and how we interact with one another and how we care for one another and show empathy towards one another, and you know, it's, uh, it's it's huge, it's
it's the biggest thing. And that's why it breaks my heart so much for you know, these people out there learning you know, false narratives, learning about about you know, fakery. You know, you can't really spin it a different way. You know, no pun intended. But it's it hurts. I mean, it hurts for me. It hurts for knowing that, you know, millions of people are being led this way and you know, maybe maybe a fraction of them are gonna maybe open their eyes to what the
truth really is. And I mean I came prepared with notes and everything, but I've been just kind of flying by the seat of my pants. But I have a list here of like twenty five thirty Bible versus that you know, show and state the way that the earth was made, the how it's structured, all this kind of stuff, you know, speaking from Genesis all the way to Revelations. It's sprinkled out through there. So I mean,
it's just it's it. It does truly hurt to know this. And then it also I'm not I'm not bad mouth and on any churches or anything, but I wish that they would start to try to implement some of this stuff into their their weekly, monthly, yearly, you know, teaching regiment, if that's what you want to call it, Because you know, you got you got so many on here. You got Isaiah forty four twenty four, you got Hebrews, you know, eleven three, go ahead, and you
know, go ahead and read them them written down. I'm sorry, h I do have just the verse numbers written down because I was doing some research onme, and I only written down the verses themselves. Give me the one from Isaiah one more time, Isaiah forty four, Isaiah forty four, twenty four, forty four twenty four, and that so that one here, I'll read it real quick, forty four twenty four. It says, here we go, Thus sayeth the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee
from the womb. I am the Lord that maketh all things that stretches forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. So and there's just there's so many yeah, oh yeah. And even on Warner Ron Browne's headstone, and I mean, you know, the four angels at the corners
of the Earth. Yeah. And then you know, something that hit me the other day was, you know, the earth is set upon pillars, so you know, as as Antarctica on pillars, and are we just you know, sitting on you know, are we just a globe sitting on the pillars that are underneath Antarctica? That makes that makes no logical sense to me. And um, it's just I mean, there's there's so many there's there's
a ton here that I've done research on. And you know Proverbs eight twenty nine, you know, speaking about the seas and how they have their limitations and speaking about how that could possibly be pointing to the ice wall an Antarctica. You know, you never know, he doesn't blatantly say there that an arca is uh, the the border for the for the for the seas, but you know it's up for it's up for debate. I don't know why
it would say that if it didn't have meaning behind it. And then you know, there's there's so many other's Psalm one of four, five, Psalm ninety three, one Job. There's a few on job actually, and then you know, uh, Joshua stating that you know, he made the made the sun and moon stay stationary for a while, you know exactly, so
you know that just contradicts everything right there in one verse. If he makes the sun stay stationary, gravity stops and we go floating, into space, right, yeah, exactly, it makes it makes no sense to their pseudo science way of thinking. It doesn't because when you look at a flat earth map, and truly, I don't think anybody really knows what a flat earth map would look like. I mean, we have the Gleason's map of like what is an eighteen ninety two yeah take Yeah, and you know, there's
mysteries about the North Pole. There's mysteries about Antarctica. So you know, I think we have a general representation of what our continents look like. But still there is a mystery behind you know, what is exactly at the North Pole because that's that's still you know, that's fortified. Nobody can exactly go to, you know, the exact point of North So I mean everything,
everything's just we Yeah. And again, when everything is based on the lies, it's the truth is hard to discern that that is the biggest problem. And that's you know, I said a couple of podcasts ago, I need to start using my bibble more for research because that is based on fact, right, and yeah, yeah for me and you and maybe many of our listeners anyways, But yeah, I feel bad because I have you know, a list of thirty verses written out, and I didn't, you know,
exactly put them exactly right, you know, the verses down. I just have their their chapter and verse point pointed out on here. But it's just it's astonishing how much is actually is there, you know, and all the answers, mostly all the answers, because I truly don't believe that we are meant to know everything, otherwise that would kind of put us in his shoes
exactly. And yeah, I mean I think God wants to challenge us and the same, you know it. We should look to others for answers all the time because just because somebody tells us something, that doesn't mean it's the truth. And I tell people all the time when you listen to my podcasts, take it as a as a tool, but continue to research for yourself. And by the way, I have a link I'll put in the show description. This one is I have I always have a side and I should
have put it in others. But I have fifteen Bible verses, including Psalms one, who four or five is it's you know, he set the earth on its foundations, it can never be moved. I mean that is that that should be in the top five of in our toolbox. I mean it cannot be moved, right, And then you were talking about I think Revelation seven to one, which is after this I saw the four angels standing at the four corners of the Earth, right, yeah, yeah, And I
don't I thought it was kind of funny. In one of your previous podcasts they were talking about, oh well, let's just uh, let's all get our our iPads out and watch it on our on our iPads. When when the angels and when when Yeshuare returns. It just it makes no sense because when I think of Yeshuare returning, I think of you know, after the
tribulation period. However, you wanted discern that every single soul on this earth will be able to see it, whether if you're in China, Europe, Canada, United States, South America, over in Australia, you'll be able to You'll be able to see it. It'll be a great grand finale. So I don't I don't picture that happening on a globe per se exactly. And I BELI leave they and again this isn't me. This is what I
think they are thinking. I think the whole reason that they came up with NASA in the outer space and they started making all the sci fi movies. I think in their mind they're hoping they can create a narrative when God comes back, they can say, oh, it's aliens. But again, like it says, everybody will know, but it's they will use every tool they have to deceive us to the very end. Yes, And that just that goes along with my next thought is that I feel, with everything going on
in the world right now, that Satan is working over time. He's definitely putting in the footwork to get stuff done right now. And it's sadly for the masses it's working. And for those of us that listen to your podcasts that have you know, been awakened, that have their eyes open to see and their ears open to hear, you know, this is all just a bunch of poppycock, and it uh it because I don't. I don't watch the news anymore. I don't, I don't. It's it's hard for me
to even speak to people about this stuff. It's just it's full blown steam ahead for them and there for them and their agenda. That's so funny how things happen. You'd mentioned you don't watch news. I don't either. I don't ever go to websites about news. I track the events in Eastern Europe and things like that. I have a couple folks on Telegram and friends around the world I chat with for my news. So why you were saying that? Just then, I said, let's see what's going on in the world.
So I went to CNN dot com and this huge news story, just huge blast is one hundred times brighter than all the stars in the Milky Way combined, the largest cosmic explosion ever witness is still burning bright after three years. This is the top story on CNN dot com. Man more deceit, and people, I'm sure are eating it up. Yeah, yeah, it's
just it's getting you know there. I always reflect back to going out, you know, on a clear night and just looking at the stars in the moon, even if it's just for you know, even if it's just for
fifteen seconds. I think everybody can spare fifteen seconds of a day and go out and look at the stars and look at the moon and real because there's been excuse me, there's been a a few days lately, within the past couple of weeks where the sun and the moon have been up at the same time, and the moon makes makes no sense on being a reflection of the
Sun's light with the phase that the moon has been in. You know, you see the sun, you see the moon on the other side of the horizon, and you think, yeah, well, maybe the moon should be fully illuminated because you can walk or drive or fly you know, you know, two to three hundred miles maybe and you're still illuminated. And I mean, I'm just spitballing here, but the moon is not fully illuminated. It
it's you know, two thirds illuminated. And then when you look back at the Sun and you look at the moon, it's like, um, you know, something's something's kind of weird here. Don't you think that that should be fully illuminated? If the if the sun's right there and everything's all that light from the Sun is hitting that moon and reflecting back to us to where we can see it. Don't you think that things should be fully illuminated.
It's just and then you go back to Genesis and it's you know, there's a there's a point there, there's a there's discernment and critical thinking that need to happen right there to realize that they are two separate lights, whether you see them at the same time or you see one by night and one by day precisely, and you can't believe the moon landing story and the fact that it reflects like they just don't go together. And especially during the daytime.
How is it reflecting during the daytime when it's light out? Yeah, yeah, it's just a lot of it doesn't make any sense once you put critical thinking into it. And that's just the thing. It's it's critical thinking. It's sitting down reflecting on what you've seen, reflecting on what you've heard, and coming up with your own discernment of what's happening right here. It's this, you know, this doesn't make sense. Why are we being told this? Why have we been told this for for many years? You know?
It's just like what what else have we been like to about most of everything? Most of everything? Yeah, and then just like just like Antarctica, you know, nobody is allowed to go there. I mean you can buy excursions to go there for what ten twenty thirty forty thousand dollars and you only get to go you know, so far, which is minimal at the least, very very minimal, and the names of the places that you're allowed to
go are very mysterious Rothschild Island and Deception Island. Nothing to see here, yeah, exactly. And then it's just okay, you know, operation Fishbowl, you know what's going on there. And then you start to piece some of these things together and start to develop kind of like a puzzle that you're putting together, and it seems like every piece that you put in, you know, five more get added to your box of puzzle pieces that you still
got to put in there. So that and it's just it's and I don't it's they've came up with this so perfectly to deceive so many people so perfectly. I mean, it's not perfect to the standpoint of like people like me and you and you know, your listeners and you know, fellow people like me to you know, kind of read through these kind of things. But it's just you know, the moon landing, the the glow, the heliocentric model, the them and forgive me, I don't know the scientists names that
came up with this, but were they were they even real? Were they you know, physical human beings or were they part of their narrative that they just created because nobody's going to be able to, you know, do their own digging and research to figure out that these people actually existed. You know, that's another rabbit hole to go down. There's there's so many pieces that are that are not applicable to putting together and it's just, yeah, it
it doesn't make a lot of sense to me with this. I take God's word for what it is. I've been doing research to figure out what this is. I've been listening to your podcast another podcasts, and trying to find stuff on search engines, and you know, it's getting harder and harder day by day to find this stuff, just like the like the censorship in Canada and with anybody looking up flat Earth, and it's just it's appalling. It
is one hundred percent and again it all goes back to deception. And as you're talking and you're hitting home run after home run, I didn't even notice that this story under the big story was the big question is sleeping will be one of the challenges for astronauts on Mars missions. And it's just it's funny when you see again and even the person who probably wrote this story, Ashley Strickland, you know, probably clueless to the truth as well and believes these
type of things. And again, the truth is everything. You have to question everything. Going back to your point, I believe one hundred percent that so much of our history has been fabricated. Specifically, I'm not going to get into it because we touched on a lot on the last interview, but a lot of World War two stories were created, a lot of stories about the Civil War was created. And I think there is something too, And this is something I haven't spent enough time on, and that's one of the
resources we all never have enough of his time. But I find it very interesting that, you know, seventeen seventy six was such an important year in our our Natian's history. May first, seventeen seventy six. Just you know, I wonder, I hope it's not sixty six days, but um, you know, the Illuminati was formed, you know, May first, seventeen seventy six, and two months later, you know, basically America is born. You know. It's just I think about that stuff all the time.
These characters that earn our history books, everything from Copernicus on and on and on. If these characters were even real yeah, and it just it sends a downward, downward spiral in your mind of what, what could what could
have actually happened. You know, you wish you could be a fly on the wall when some of these events actually happened, and then jump through a portal to you know, a different timeline to where you know, something major happened again, to be a fly on the wall and actually hear what happened, to know the actual truth of of what happened. And it's it's it's
a lot to think about. It's a lot to dive into. There's I mean, you could spend a whole lifetime diving into this stuff and you'll only probably get you know, within the you know, the cherry on top of what's actually going on. So and it's just it makes it that much harder. But then at the same time, it makes it easier for people like me and you and our listeners to and our friends to you know, see these things unfolding before us and saying, hey, you know, is this
really what's going on? I don't know, if this is really what's going on, Let's uh, let's dive a little bit deeper into it and see
what's what's behind the veil. And I think that's where you know, a lot of people need to be at because in my eyes, if you can imagine, you know, all those people that are that worship sports or you know, if you take all those if you take all those people and put them in a mind frame of somebody like you or you know, of someone of your of your listeners mind frame, and put them there for a week to you know, do research to discern for themselves what actually happened in these
events in you know, World War two like you stated, or you know the Vietnam War even or you know the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the moon landing, or I mean anything along these major headline movements. You know, there would I would hope to think that there would be a big movement that would that would happen and persuade others, even if it's just those devout sports onlookers. And it's just sad to think that way. Indeed, And you said something, I always a friend of our family, her daughter
works for E Entertainment and she interviews all these people in the Hollywood. I always thought that that, you know, whether it's athlete worship or actor worship, it was always really cringe to me, even when before I was awake to anything. I was never even when we were at a ballgame with good seats, I wasn't asking for autographs. I was just there to enjoy the game. I'm not once again, I'm not judging anybody. I'm just giving
you my point of view. Yeah. Yeah, and that's fair, that's that's an awesome point because I was because every summer from like, let me see, it's hard, it's getting so hard for me to remember stuff with
all the things rattling around in my brain. But you know, we would go to two, three, four Colorado Rockies games every summer, just me and my family, and you know, me and my brother would be those two kids, you know, down by the first baseline, you know, hoping during batting practice that you know, Todd Helton or Larry Walker or you know, somebody would come up. Yeah, Dante Bichette would come up and you know, sign a baseball for us. But it's just yeah, and
I'm sorry that I'm kind of at a loss for words right now. It's just it's so hard to reflect back on those times because those are just those are just normal people. Yeah, exactly, and I think it's okay to cherish those memories one hundred percent. Like for me with the TV and the movies and everything, I'm like, darn, I could have done so much better. But at the same time, you can't live your life with regret
either. I think everything happens in a particular order on purpose. Of course, there's i'd be lying if I if I didn't tell you I didn't regret some things. But I think once again, God's puts these things in order for you to be able to accept it. Because I used to be, like I said, I just I just wanted to watch sports. That that's
what I was. That was my thing. And of course, like so many people, once you wake up, you're just infatuated and you just want to consume knowledge and get to the bottom of every single thing, because you know, I learned basically our country was only I guess if you want to call it wholesome or whatever, until about eighteen eleven. Then eighteen twelve,
the Bank's got involved again, and it's been downhill ever since. The bankers have controlled the world for the last two hundred I'm sure it's been longer than that, but I'm talking here in this country, they've been in control and they really choked us off obviously in nineteen thirteen with the Federals are being enacted, and then they went off the gold standard in seventy one, and who knows what happened to all the gold. And of course nine to eleven,
which we didn't get around too. We'll have to get into that. Maybe you can come on the Fact Hunter podcast sometime, but we can get into that. The gold that disappeared from I think it was Building seven, Yeah, yeah, and it yeah every I mean, like I was saying, before you put one piece of the puzzle in and then five others appear in you in your box ready to be put back into the puzzle. Yep.
It's just it's never ending, you know. Nine to eleven, like I was saying, is is is my baby with trying to, you know, piece all these things together. And because that, I mean, I still remember what I was doing that morning, And I asked my mom a few weeks ago if she remembered what she was doing, and she she told me her whole story, which you know, coincided with my whole story. Because
I was ten years old. I was sitting at my we kind of had a we had our kitchen area, but we had a kind of like a bar section on the other end of our kitchen area with bar stools sitting right there. And I would always eat cereal in the morning before we're going to school, and we had one of those like thirteen inch box TVs sitting on
the counter, and yeah, I was sitting there eating cereal. My mom was making me my lunch for the day at school, and me and my mom were just sitting there watching it play out on TV and very vivid in my mind, very vivid in her mind. And yeah, everything just kind of snowballs after that, which, you know, whatever section or whatever event that happens with you figuring something out, it turns into kind of like a snowball effect and then you do more research on that event, and then it
leads to others and then eventually it leads. While it led me into into flat Earth circumstance. But yeah, I think I don't think the Earth is ball spinning in space, rotating around the Sun with the Moon or orbiting around it, yea. And yeah, it's just it's it's a lot to unfold for sure with everything with um because I don't think the Earth is you know, it's not perfectly flat. We have mountain elevations that go you know,
thirteen fourteen, fifteen thousand feet maybe even higher. You know, we have depths of the ocean that reach what you know, seven miles if not more, and they've dug as far as I think that seven and a half feet in rush. That's the deepest toll in the in the world as far as I know. Yeah, and then so it's not you know, I like the term flat earth because it brings people to uh to a kind of like a community set, like you said at the beginning of the episode or in
our in our interview pre episode. But you know, it's not perfectly flat. There's a there's hills, there's valleys, there's rivers, there's oceans that reach very very very large depths and you know, very very large you know, heights. But I think as a whole, yes, I think that we are on a on a flat stationary plain where Antarctica is kind of a
mystery because nobody's allowed to go there. And it just makes me curious about the firmament, It makes me curious about about about the stars, about the moon, and yeah, flat Earth is just a crazy thing to to stumble upon and to actually invoke into your you know, your vocabulary. And yeah, it's just this past couple of years has just been crazy for me with you know, it brought me it did. It brought me so much closer
to God. And then it made me want to go back and read to the Creation and I'm actually going to order the Book of Enoch and how the Bible only has sixty six books in it, but I think fully as a whole, maybe possibly it involved seventy books and maybe four of them were taken out due to you know, maybe too much information or you know, whatever you want to call it in that sense. Yeah, absolutely, it's it's an interesting read. How it parallels Genesis. It's very interesting, and it's
very eye opening, to say the least. And then going back to you know what you said about nine to eleven again, we spoke briefly before we started recording. I'd mentioned that this, you know, nine to eleven is our generation's GfK and we really have to to step up and make sure that the people who were involved in that ritual. And that's after so many years of researching, I mean, countless hours of research. It's very obvious to me that it was a ritual. But you know that that we we could
maybe say for for the other podcast. We're actually we're down to our last four minutes or so. First, I wanted to thank you so much for coming on today. You've been an absolute tremendous guest. You've touched on so many subjects. Really, you've done it just a tremendous job. Was there anything else that you hadn't touched on yet that you wanted to touch on briefly? Um? I don't. I don't think so. Um. There's just
there's so much to unpack. And I just hope that anybody going through this process, like myself, for maybe even like you yourself, George, when you first kind of started down this path, I hope that you you keep your head up because it is it is a very hard road to walk. But you know, the the path is very narrow compared to the path that's
very wide that leads to deception. And I, myself and I hope many others out there would choose to walk the narrow path even though it's even though it's a lot harder, it's it's challenging, it may label you as an outcast. You may even get shunned upon by some people, your coworkers, your your family, you know, whoever. But I want every listener to know that that Yeshua Jesus. I don't know, that's just that's my thing.
I like calling him by Yeshua. But Um, Jesus loves you, and he is He is truly here for you, and he will and I know this firsthand. He will help you through all of this, whether it at be anxiety or hardship or or whatever you're going through. I just I know it in my heart, and I I have a feeling that some of your listeners know it by heart too, that that he is there and he
is there for you. And it's just it's sad with how many souls are being consumed nowadays by you know, by all this uh, by all this stuff. I want to call it by a different word, but I know, but yeah, it's just it's sad and it does. It truly breaks my heart for for all these people that are consumed with either you know, stuff that you know truly does not matter in the grand scheme of things, and um, but they think in the moment being that you know, that
can that consumes their life. So I just uh, I hope for a discernment for those people. I hope for for we always love to to consume their hearts and just just spread from them because we have we have a good community here, we do. There's UH. I'll never tell anybody false facts. I'll never I'll never I'll never spread anything that's uh, that's like that. I want to spread the truth. I want to spread what what Yeshua made. And I just want everybody to know that they are loved and cared
for and that to be on alert for for deception. And a Bible verse that really stuck out to me was Ephesians five eleven. So, um, if you want to if you want to look that up, that's a good one. We're supposed to, uh, We're supposed to love God and and expose evil, and I think that's something that the United States and maybe globally as a whole, we we aren't doing a very good job of. We're not exposing evil enough. We're just living our cushy lives and you know,
not worrying about a lot of things. We're just working our you know, eight to five, nine to five jobs and Netflix and chill or partying or club in or you know or whatever. But the true things that matter are are God's love for you and family and friendship and you know, being being grateful for every single day that you have here. So I think that's it. You said it perfectly, and I think I should close with Ephesians five
eleven to fourteen, because it is absolutely spot on. It says, and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame to speak of those things which you're done them, done of them in a secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifested by the light. For whatsoever, or excuse me, whatsoever doth manifest is light. Again, it says, awake thou that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give the light. Really good, there
you go, Ephesians five eleven through fourteen. Well, listen, brother, it's been an absolute pleasure. We've been playing an email tag back and forth for a while, so it was finally nice to get a hold of you and just have a great conversation that I hopefully will resonate with the masses. And again, Kevin's email will be in the show description. I always put that at the very top, so you don't have to go looking for it. Please reach out to Kevin, and I'm sure there's a lot of like
minded people out there that would like to pick your brain even further. Thank you so much, Kevin. Thank you, George. I appreciate you so much. It's been a pleasure in the I love what you're doing here. It's it's awesome. I still can't believe that I found your your podcast on Spotify, and I truly hope to meet you one day in person. If not, I'm absolutely sure that I'll meet you on the other side. There
you go. That's a guarantee. Brother. Well, God bless you, and thank you to the listeners again for all your support, and again the next podcast if you're listening Wednesday night, the next podcast with Matthew should drop the following Sunday night, May twenty first, at eight pm. For Kevin, I'm George. God bless each and every one of you. Take care and have a good week.