Episode 46: Flat Earth Conversation with Katie

The following presentation is about Marga Studios production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It is time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files, and we have another great guests standing by who will be joining us in just a moment. Cat. But before we do, we have a few housekeeping notes to take care of. First and foremost, I want to thank one of our listeners, Pauli. He reached out to another podcast he listens to.

It is called Revelations Radio News. One of the hosts, Andrew, had been asking for podcast recommendations. I guess the gentleman is a traveling sales guy now, so he has a lot of time on his hands with traveling. Paully sent him an email. He recommended both podcasts, but he had mentioned The Flat Earth Files and one of the hosts is a fellow flat earther. The other gentleman is still a skeptic. But anyway, on their most recent episode, which was the eleventh, they actually at the two hour mark.

They said a few kind things about this podcast, so I wanted to thank them for that, and I really I listened to the entire podcast this morning. It was really enjoyable. While we were doing shores around the old homestead. So again thanks to Revelations Radio News, and I'll leave a link in the description if you'd like to check them out. So there you go.

A couple other notes the June's schedule, folks, the people who I've reached out to you saying we're gonna get you scheduled for June, you should start getting them emails starting Tuesday. And that's Joshua Jason Jason, excuse me, Roll, Adam, JD l Mark, Robert Corina, Claude Kolish and Mkaiah. Should be about eleven people, So keep an eyes out on your email, and also keep an eye on your spam. Every now and then, for some strange reason, my emails go to people's spam, so keep

an EyeT. We'll get you guys scheduled for June this week. Don't forget the website, the flat earth files dot com. Again, that is the flat earth files dot com. Jump in the forum the chat room wants to do there. And lastly, of course questions, comments, concerns, or you'd like to come on the podcast like Katis today, it is the Flattered Files at gmail dot com. Now I should say that kat Is she was actually on my other podcast. Actually it was on the radio program we had

last September, and she did a great two hours. She actually broke down so much stuff and we got tremendous feedback. So I'm really excited to have her on this program today. Everybody please help me. Welcome Kat, kat How are you doing this afternoon. I'm good, George, how are you? I'm doing really good. It's great to have you back on the program. Please introduce yourself to the listeners. Well, my name is well, my name is Katie, but go by kat for sure. I am a

mother of three beautiful daughters. My youngest is one, the other two were five and nine. I homeschool because you know, through the public school system. And yeah, my husband is self and Floyd, and we garden and have chickens and try and uh are trying to extract ourselves as much from the system as possible. Yeah, our stories really are, they align, They're

very similar. It's great. I think the only thing we have left to get off is the public utilities, and we're hoping by next year we can get into solar, etc. So we can be completely off the grid as much you can be. Of course, we're still a slave to the properties taxes. That that's something I guess we'll always be a part of our lives. Luckily here Delaware is one of the lowest states as far as property tax goes. I think we're like number five and lowest. So that's that's pretty

helpful, how about you. I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to get out of that now because our property taxes are pretty low also here in you know, southern Berkshire County and western mass But I told my husband, I was like, it's the principle of it, Like, even though we're not paying that much every year, it's less than two thousand dollars a year for our property. We have almost three acres and whatnot. I mean, our house isn't very big. But I was like, it's the

principle of it. We shouldn't have to pay because we're not. You know, even when we pay off the mortgage, we still don't own our house because if we don't pay the property taxes, then you know, the state can come in and be like, well we own your house now, Well then we never owned it. So that's right, well one of them, and that would be great if you come up with any loopholes, do keep us informed. Homeschooling is something that's near and dear to our heart. And

again with our daughter learning how to garden and with the chickens. These are very important life lessons that are have been left out in public school. Even when I was young, back in the late seventies and early eighties, they had like home mac they taught children how to cook and do things like this. I mean, they've taken most of the life skills out of school and then just turn it into a giant indoctrination camp. Which with your homeschool.

Is there a certain system you use or do you come up with your own curriculum? Um? I don't currently use one. I actually want to try and find decent copies of the Trivium and the Quadrivium U. The Trivium is logic, rhetoric and grammar, and the Quadrivium is more math based, so it's arithmetic, outs, geometry and one other that I can't think of right now. But um no, I don't. I don't use a curriculum. I pretty much just do you know, reading, writing, math, and

then literally everything else is interest based. Like I'm not going to sit them down and you know, make them learn about certain things in history or you know, whatever the case may because if they're not interested in it, then they're not going to absorb the information. So for everything else, I pretty must just go by you know, Okay, well are you interested in this? Nope? Okay, well let's go on to the next topic. Are you interested in this, yes, well let's look into it more. Well.

I can honestly say that that's the first time on this podcast that trivium and the quadrivium has been brought up, and for people who might not be who might be driving and forget to google it later. That goes way back. Explain that a little bit to our listeners if you will. Unfortunately don't

really know a whole lot about the back. I mean, there's a lot of different versions of them, from versions that were put out by Catholic nuns too, you know, more philosophical types that were you know, agnostic or atheist or whatever the case may be. But it's basically just the concept that like with the trivium, like I said, it's a logic, grammar and

rhetoric. So that's learning how to think and using critical thinking skills and then learning to use grammar in such a way that you can what would you call it, um more effectively convey your thoughts thoughts. Yeah, that's great, and that's really challenging that the children not just you memorize this and make sure you check the right box off when we test you. That is and again

a lot of that goes back to ancient Greece. This is really good stuff that I should probably start implementing next year because I'm going to start implementing more outside the program that we use because a lot of this, even with this faith based curriculum, there's still a lot of scientists a minute, they push obviously we went to the moon and all these other things that go against our beliefs in faith. So that's that's a great thought. I need to dig

into that myself this summer. Yeah, that's that's terrible. It's almost like Christians Zays don't even read the Bible because if they did, they would realize that it's the flatter folk exactly. It's one hundred percent that. And I guess if you would kind of walk us through your awakening, UM by awakening

before flatter was a very very gradual process. I mean I went I went through all the you know, clickbait traps that most people went through, whether it's Alex Jones or you know, I think like Alex Jones is actually the first you know, quote unquote conspiracy theorist that I ever stumbled upon him. I'm pretty sure it was just because I was at work one night and somebody

brought him up. Like I saw this this crazy guy on the internet and he was talking about the stuff, but he was right blah blah blah. So I looked into it, and um, I just started digging into like, uh, nine to eleven and the USS liberty and that kind of stuff. And like I said, it was sort of a gradual process. And that was probably I don't know, two thousand and ten or eleven if that happened. So when Sandy Hook happened in twenty twelve, as soon as I

didn't my my my husband actually texted me while I was out. He was like, oh, there was a shooting today, blah blah blah. And that was the very first incident where my knee jerk reaction was you know, not not one of oh my god, I can't believe that happened. It was more so one of like instant skepticism. So that was that was the first one for me that I didn't just you know, buy it face value.

And I was actually still living in Connecticut at the times, so I was like, oh, great, the politicstics of the situation just gonna get a hecticum. But in terms of flat Earth, it was spring of twenty

nineteen. I'd been listening to Crow Triple seven for a while and by that point i'd heard him say probably at least three or four times, we can see too far because, you know, according to him, and I have no reason to doubt, you know, what he says, because I've actually seen videos from doing telescope work, but that he's spent you know, thousands

of hours behind behind the telescope and we can see too far. And I was like, okay, I've looked into quite a bit of you know, the other stuff that he has said, and it's you know, it's h I was able to verify it. So I was like, let me see

he was talking about what we can see too far. So I literally went to Google and put we can see too Far into the search, and I immediately came to a Mark Sargent's twenty four video series and uh watched the whole thing within two days, and then I watched it again and I told my husband that, uh, hey, I think I think they might be lying to us about this place being a little but I think it might be flat.

And he got so angry. He thought I had literally gone insane and that I'm gonna have to divorce this woman because she's obviously lost her mind, and he had a three day migraine. And he spent the next two weeks looking into it and try because I was still watching it. I was watching flat Earth videos at the same time, and so he was he was trying to find, you know, opposing information while I was watching flat Earth videos.

And after about I don't know, two to two and a half weeks, it got brought up again and he was like, yeah, I don't think I can prove you wrong, So I guess I'm a flat Earth or two. That's interesting because I picture the same. But the emotion, how was it different for you for flat Earth? As it was like nine to eleven and these other type of things that you've gone down and obviously there's a bit of shock there, but was it a whole other level for you?

Not really, No, if fat well, I would say probably about a year or before I actually looked into flat Earth, I had heard someone mentioned flat earth thirst in terms of like I think it was like Stephen Crowder something making fun of people that still been if you're with the Slot, because you know, we've known for how long? And I kind of like chuckled, you know, I had that kind of reaction, like huh yeah, idiots.

And but when I actually started looking into it, I'm so I would say, I pretty much I've gotten to a point where I look at everything as if I would have to be presenting it in a courtroom. So which side has more evidence to prove their case from a purely logical standpoint, like take emotion completely out of it, no subjectivity, none of that. Which side has proven their point and the Globe has not? And by the way, I don't know if you heard, George, but the Globe lost twice

in an actual court case. Really do you recall what they were? I k's it's what's that guy's name? He's on Crow's heade him on, He's on TikTok Um, Caleb ca Caleb Fie on TikTok It was um he was talking about how was that guy's name? I think he was a Native American. Now, I remember there was a court case back in the late eighteen hundreds. I think that I mentioned that early on in the in the this podcast. Um, that went kind of it was weird the judge went one

way and then another. But was there one more recent than that? Yes? And I, um, I'm sorry, I can't find the video. I should I couldn't remember the guy's name. And you said his name was Caleb. Yeah with the k K A l eb dot fee on TikTok. I just saw it again recently, took So that's a video of my brother talking about how when he went to basic training, nobody called him. He was all alone. He could Oh was that you or me? Oh? I don't I think that was me. I pulled up TikTok to try to

look for it. Must have had an AutoPlay. I'm so sorry. I thought, Oh, she's playing yeah on the on the home page. It does it auto? It autoplays? Whatever is the first video it launches? My bad? Um? Yeah, I can't. I can't find it. If I you know what, If I find the video, I'll send you a link to it. Yeah, And I'll drop it. I can always edit the show description later for sure. Yeah, okay, yeah, like I said, I just saw I thought I thought it was one of his

pinned videos, but I guess it's not. UM But yeah, no it was. It was a more recent It was in the last few years at least, I think so. Yeah, because the guy was asking for uh actual X. They're a mental and observational proof that we are um moving basically, you know that we're spinning and that this place is a globe. And the guy, the guy basically presented UM computer models and it's like, well, no, you didn't meet the terms of the challenge because I didn't ask

for computer models. I asked you for actual hard proof. And so yeah, that's interesting. I know it didn't. I don't know if you heard. I put it out as a short A couple of weeks ago. There's a gentleman in Florida went behind his or went in front of his, uh kind of his county. You know, they have the county meetings every month, and he spoke and he urged his um the county clerks, to hey, you guys really need to look into into NASA, because obviously the problem

is with Texas and Florida. Um, the government provides so much money to those guys, they're probably only not going to look into it because they would be biting the hand that feeds them, obviously with Nason Houston and Cape Canaveral, but he was urging the people. He's like, look look at the big picture. We're giving these people seventy million dollars a day. And he

started talking about all the obvious things the video that's been rigged. You see the hooks on people's pants when they do their little flips in the iess just on and on and on, and he'd actually urged people, you know, the county reps to look into it. And it was very interesting to see people are starting to step up and kind of to push the narrative a little bit to put you know, it is obvious, and but it with retrospect. I get it because I was that person before the Bread and Circus were

busy with work and people are watching Netflix and everything else. But when you actually take the time, like you said, and even try to disprove the globe, you're going to realize that it's just a giant lie. Yeah. Yeah, Well I didn't see the video. I heard the audio from it on someone else's podcast, and I was like, that's actually really awesome that somebody's got up in a public forum and you know, called out Nassal like

that. I don't, I don't. I don't technically agree with the whole you know, this much of the taxpayers money, and yetta, if we if every single person in this country stopped paying taxes tomorrow, the government would still function because they are not where they get their money from. They get it from the FED. The only thing they use our money for is servicing the interest on the loans that they take out from the FED. That's a

great point. And again, when you're making money out of fake error, I guess it doesn't really matter at the end of the day, right, Oh, exactly. Our entire monetary system is just it's a fantasy. It's make believe. Yeah, Monopoly has the same amount of meeting as Fiat currency pretty much. Oh and I'm I don't know if you've come across this before though, but do you have the the Monopoly board game? Do? Well?

Yeah, of course? Yeah, Okay, Well, next time you play, or if you just get curious later drawn and you have some cash on you go compare the bills to the monopoly money, because they made the new freaking bills when they printed them the same colors as their monopoly counterparts. Really, I'm pretty sure it was just a slap in our face saying, yep, your money's faked. That's uh, that is very interesting. So

you're talking about the new money, that the new currency they're making. I forget when they switched over to the you know, the currency they have out now, the paper money. I forget when they did that. It was probably more than ten years ago. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they I'm trying to I'm kind of remembering a slightly pink colored I don't know if it was a twenty or a ten or a five, but yeah, they did bring in different shades. And you're right, it is about as worthless

as monopoly money. At the same time, they use it as a heck of a tool to keep us enslaved. Oh absolutely, because if you're if you're too worried about paying bills and paying for this, and you know that there's a reason and why they call it the almighty dollars, because they want us to see it as our God. Where do you see flat Earth?

In the hierarchy of truths that should be exposed to the masses in like what order if you were to have like one of those Charlie from you know, always Sunny boards top to bottom, like nine to eleven JFK moon landing. I know that kind of goes hand in hand, But there's still a lot of people out there, like take Bart Sabrell for instance. He spent much of the last twenty years going after the astronauts, but he's not a flat Earth or he believes in something called planet X out there, and I'm not

making funny. I'm just telling you what he believes. So where in the hierarchy of like what is the most important truth to expose? Where do you put flatter I put it at the very top of the pyramid with all of the red strings coming from it. Yeah. I agree those detective boards where they have the red strings and it looks like a giant spider web and everything

they've got the red strings connected these things to that thing. Yeah, So flatter Earth is the very top pin with all the red strings emanating from it. So I used to think that much of the Globe deception was about power and money because they talk about every single day of the seventy million dollars, etc. But then I thought the same way you did. I was like, well, if they can just print all the money they need, at the end of the day, the money part's not really that important. Now.

Sure they do take those contracts and you know, the military industrial complex, the raight, theons, etc. They become wealthy off NASA Honeywell, but at the end of the day, you know, you really, when you dig deep and you peel back the layers of the onion, it's all about to me about them being deceitful and trying to hide people from God. What are your thoughts on that? I agree, I think it is, you know, the money. I do think it comes down to the power

aspect of it, not the money. The money is just a tool for them to have power over us. But the power is more so what they're after. They want to have, you know, the power over every single aspect of our lives and including how we think about things. So hiding flat Earth is, you know, hiding God through hiding the reality of his creation. Yep, that's exactly right. And I often wonder if we could, you know, I don't know how it would happen, whether or not we

could ever get it to happen. But if we somehow got some organic movement going and it didn't get hijacked by certain agencies like the CIA, etcetera, what's always seems to happen. Anything organic always gets hijacked. It would be

interesting to see how other cards would fold on the world stage. Um, that's a good point about organic things being hijacked because I think that, uh, you know, a very good case can be made for things like um, you know, free freemasonry or Cobbolism or any of that stuff being hijacked because those are at their at their core, those are all systems of trying to understand and reconnect with God through astrology, numbers, geometry, that you

know, the technical type of stuff that's supposed to lead you to metaphysical truths. But as we know, you know, Satan and his minions can't create anything. All they can do is take things that are already existing and twist or pervert them to keep the wool pulled over our eyes essentially. And I think that a very good way to do that is to take things that are

gods, like you know, literally everything down here belongs to God. So, you know, if we're talking about math, which most people consider to be the universal language, math, geometry, astrology, if you can make people think that there's something inherently evil about a number, a symbol, whatever the case may be, then you're guaranteeing that they're never going to look into

that thing and they're never going to learn the truth that they hold. And they're now they're gonna that that's one one fewer step, you know, towards God that they're not going to attain because you've convinced them that it's evil. Do you think and again, we'll never know for sure because we don't know how much of our history is even true, but leading up to the Reformation, because that's that time when Copernicus kind of jumped in and the story goes

that everybody started really pushing the ball. I believe that over the last five hundred years, and again, these guys they play long ball. I think Adam wey Shup knew on May fir seventeen seventy six that he wasn't going to see the you know, fruits of his labor and even generations to come, but he knew what the end game was. Do you think Prior to that that people were really understood what the sky clock and the firmament and things like

that. I think they had a better grasp of it than we do now. And just with all the obstacles that are put in our way on a on a daily basis, from you know, entertainment, news, politics, everything, all of it is meant to keep us from you know, looking into those those things that are going to bring deeper meaning to our lives, even if it is just discovering you know, flat Earth, even if you're still you know, agnostic, or it doesn't bring you to God per se.

You can't deny that there is a creator. You can't look out in nature and not see the intelligent design there, Like it's it's just not possible. It's there's These things are even the human eyeball I love, I love own Benjamin's um is little dissertation on the human eyeball where he's like, if you think that this thing just came together out of some random chaos, you're I don't know if I want to use the same work he did, but

um, I got you. It starts with an R. Yeah. Um. So basically like if if you if you can't see the intelligent design in literally everything around us. Then you do not have the eyes to see or the ears to hear. Yeah, when when you look at even when I see birds birds, sorry, when you see bees on my front yard and they're they're stopping on the dandelions and doing their pollinations and then photosynthesis and and everything else. To think to have the audacity to say this happened accidentally.

And uh, you know, we've talked about evolution a thousand times on this podcast. How ridiculous these theories are. You have to at least, like you said, you have to acknowledge that this was smartly created by by some type of being. You know, I recognize it as God in Christ and um. Even David Weiss, who was a full blown atheist before he realized and by the way, he was a big ruther before that. He actually had a great three hour podcast actually about Sandy Hook back in like twenty seventeen.

But even he now will tell you today he knows that there's a creator. I mean, there's just no way that once you come around and understand how the dome and everything else, there's just no way there's not a creator. Yeah, I listened to listen to a lot of episodes of Dave's old podcast, Deep Inside the rabbit Hole. I kind of had to stop listening once once he you know, woke up to the flat Earth and he was trying to bring it up to his co host and they did nothing but great

him. Yea, Like every episode, I was like, I can't listen to this anymore. This is just way too negative and there's no reason that they should be acting like that. Like, if they don't agree, then they don't agree, but they don't have to sit there insulting the guy for

like two hours. Yeah, and that is exactly the reason I started this podcast on its own, because too, if you did a podcast on Trump or flat Earth, opening the email the next day was always a lot of fun, you know, it was an adventure that was coming your way. Yeah, those are Those are definitely two topics that are extremely polarizing. Like you, there's there's almost no in between for either one of those. You're either you know, pull this way or full that way. There's no in

between. Yeah, there's not many people who say, well, I think the Earth is flat, but there's no firmament, and maybe it's just a really fat half ball it's just like you said, it's either your team Globe or your team flat and again. And it's also interesting that word is that word is flat Earth. Those two words just trigger people in such an unusual way. And I've said so many times you can have a conversation about nine

to eleven JFK the moonlanding. That's the thing I don't get. People will talk all day and break down the moon landing, and even the people who think it was a hoax, there's still so many people out there who are like, yeah, the moon landing was a but we're I mean, come on, we're on a ball obviously. Yeah, Like I would love to

be able to talk to some of my family members about this. But when I went to uh the flat Earth meet up in a twenty twenty one that Dave had a diner here in Connecticut and I was talking to somebody and I was like, Yeah, I'd love to talk to my dad about this, but he's such a nassive fan boy that I can't bring it up because he'd

probably like throw me out of his house. And you know, it's one of those like and I used to you know, I've I've I've literally seen like every episode involved probably like the first twelve seasons, but every episode of at least the first twelve seasons of Ancient Aliens. I loved that show. I was like, oh my god, this makes so much sense. Look

at the complex math and this and that blah blah blah. And once I you know, you know, realized flat Earth, which thankfully I did not have an emotional reaction to, like all this possibly being right blah blah blah, right, because, like I said, if if you're looking at it from a logical standpoint, then you know, you know which which side is is proving their case, which side has the evidence to back up their claims, and um, but my dad's one of those will be who will who

will be like? Well, yeah, they had to, you know, film the moon landing afterwards, because when they were there, they met you know, Aliens, and they're like, oh god, how is that not more ridiculous than you know, observably flats? You know that this observably flat place that we live, How is Aliens on the moon? And we had

to film it afterwards because of that? Not more ridiculous? Yeah? I And again I'm not making fun of people, but I do get emails similar to that, like, well, you know, these guys they got there, they found knowledge that would just blow people away if if they released it. And a lot of what we have base is on the backside of the moon. There's so much top secret information they could only and I'm like really, And then they ask me, well, why would they lie about the

moon landing? Or yeah, They're like why and it's obvious, and you know, people will say, even the people that acknowledge that it's been faked, they'll say, well, they had to beat the Russians something. Why did they have to beat the Russians? But what changes everything? The Russians have never been our enemy. It's just so interesting when people, well, we had to beat the Russians, so we we lied about it, And you don't think that, you know, the people and I guess it's sput

nick over there. You really think that they didn't know. That was one of those things that once you realize that it was truly faked, you know, all the world leaders are on the same team. Yeah, I honestly don't think that Russia has ever truly been our enemy, except maybe for right after World War Two. But then again, you know, I think there were some there were some back room deals that were done with the because uh, speaking of World War two and and you know, not taking things for

face value. It's, um, it's a little bit frustrating for me. And I know I'm probably going to offend some people when I say this, but it's a little bit frustrating for me when people limits truth community are saying that, you know, well, obviously they lie about this and this, and the government lies every day all day of blah blah blah. But but the story about the Nazis is totally true. But we got that information from

our government. Like you just said, they lie all times. So considering the fact that even Winston Churchill I believe in a speech in nineteen twenty four in Rome saying that if he had been born in Italy, he would be a fascist because he you know, believed in their cause and that fascism and national socialism were the two best full works against communism taking over Western Europe. And then of course he changed his tune come nineteen thirty nine because he had

the backing of some very high powered Jewish bankers. But it's, uh, you know, if for I've I don't like it when when people talk about you know, operations, paper clips and and most of those scientists and engineers weren't NSDFP party members. It was you know, primarily like military politicians, those kinds of people, Um, the scientists, engineers, all they just they they didn't want anything to do with the politics. They just wanted to

do their work, so they weren't party members. So to say that we brought Nazis over for one thing, Nazis was a derogative term used to used to refer to the Germans and the National Socialist Party. But this side, even even if even if we're using that term to describe the National Socialists, the scientists and engineers weren't Nazis because they weren't party members. So you know, Germany didn't win the war because if they had, we wouldn't have worldwide

communism right now, which I'm pretty sure we do. Yeah. I've mentioned many times, I think more on the other podcast, that we have two countries right now. There's a country that we have on paper and you know they site look how free we are, and then there's the country we actually live in were they shut down your church and I've been kicked off papal ven

Mo and people say, well, bro, that's private companies. You know, they're all the same, that they're all owned by the same you know, five or six companies, black Rock, Vanguard and the big bankers. And what a lot of people fail to see. You know, you were talking about the truth about World War Two, and it's the same with heliocentrism, and it's still When I had Dave on my podcast three years ago, I thought, you know, this is really great information because I was always

a truth I always always willing to look at everything. Now the one thing I actually thought, the no plane theory for nine to eleven was more ridiculous than flat Earth. But that's a whole other conversation. I'm like, why would they lie about everything except for the fact that we're on a ball that's spinning, hurtling and all the numerology, etc. I mean, if they lie about so much, why would that be the one thing you believe in?

And then that's when I really started going down and looking how That's when I really realized how powerful the media, social media, Hollywood so powerful, and people don't understand the importance of getting rid of cable. Now. I watch movies now with a purpose. I don't pay attention to the storylines like I used to. I look for the programming within movies. My wife and

I will take one every couple days. This morning, after our chores, we turned on I was a big I forget that the author, But why can't I think Tom Cruise, he's the lawyer, and Mississippi the firm. The movie The Firm, and there was a globe was probably in fifteen percent of the entire movie. Every time they walk into an office, the first

thing you saw was a globe. And this programming has been gone on for at least seventy years, and all the research I've been doing, oh longer than that, George, I think this year marks the one hundredth anniversary of when Universe Studios started using the globe at the beginning of their movies. And that little cheesy playing going around in a circle, right, yeah, I'm pretty sure that was nineteen twenty three. And then they go to the moon.

They go to the moon in nineteen sixty nine, and they turn around and look at the Earth, and wouldn't you know it, it looks exactly like the LOWO graphic that Universal came up with. Wouldn't you know, what are the chances except for the fact that every single time they show up the picture of the globe, it's not the same as the last one that they showed us or the next one that they're going to show us. The continents,

they're always different sizes, different colors. So it's just it's insane that even if you put all of those I think I saw a meme one time that had like fifteen different pictures, you know, supposed pictures of Earth, all next to each other. It's like, how do you not see a problem with the fact that these all look so different from each other? Shouldn't it basically look the same? I mean in one of them, North America took off like half the freaking ball. Yep. It was like, how

you not seen a problem with that? Oh my goodness. Have you had any luck um trying to inform people about flat Earth or do you get shut down pretty quickly? Or is that something you just don't even bother with. I've tried to bring it up to a couple of people. My my stepbrother, well, he's he's kind of a smart alec by nature, so he sort of, you know, gets gets smart alarkey about it when I bring it up, but um, he doesn't ridicule me. So that's that's a

plus. It's kind of one of those like, well, if that's what you believe, and that's what you believe, um, But it's one of those like, no, it's not. I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to believe anything. I don't. I don't want to have any beliefs because beliefs are primarily contingent upon opinion. They're not contingent upon fagination and what you can prove exactly I want to know. I don't want to believe, just like with God. You know, even the Bible talks

about the substance of faith. Some substance is something you can hold, something you can that you can you know, measure or or you know suss out if you will, using like I said before, things like numerology, astrology, and applying those things to the Bible and proving it to yourself that yes, this does actually exist because I you know, I figured I did the calculations, I figured it out. Something that really piques my interest in I

too. I've talked about World War two all the time and the true history behind that, but one of the things that kind of It's always interesting when rabbit holes cross and I'm like, wait, wait, wait a second, what was Germany doing in Antarctica nineteen thirty nine when they were about you know, they were already like in Poland at that time, right, how much of um, the manipulation of the bankers, et cetera, you know, the Rothchilds, the people who financed both sides of the wars in many cases,

um, right, the Napoleonic Wars where he really made his big bucks in eighteen fifteen. Um, by full end people believe in I think it was Waterloo. But anyway, yeah, um, do you think there was more than just you know, the common theme what you hear World War two was about, you know, the Balfour Declaration. But do you think it was a lot of knowledge and technology that they wanted to go after? Um?

I well, I I don't know. I mean, at this point, there's you know, there's there's only speculation because I'm pretty sure that if they were after some knowledge that they didn't want anybody to know that they were after, then you know it wouldn't have been like you know, written down or documented anywhere. Um. I don't think there was any kind of a cult angle to I honestly don't think that there was. You know that that

Hitler was steeped in me a cult involved? Why did he shut down every single Freemason lodge in the country, like and and I'm not that's not to say that, you know, there's anything wrong with the Freemason's either, Like I said, if if, if that's a if that's a school of thought that's trying to teach you that there are you know, mysteries to life and

to discovering God and that kind of thing. But it's been you know, subverted and perverted and twisted and what Right, then that's not the conscious of the people that are doing it. But that doesn't make the system itself bad, um, because anything that's trying to lead you to God is inherently good,

that's right. So, But I the stuff that was coming out of Germany at the time, I mean, like we talked about, you know when I was on your show There Are a Fact counter show, there were things that were being developed in Germany that were thirty to forty years ahead of their time, and the US military they they couldn't even conceive of the things that the Germans were working on, like they if they couldn't even sit down and like round table at it and be like, well, let's try and

figure out what Germany is developing, blah blah blah. Once they realized, you know, once once Germany was defeated and they went in and what it was in like three hundred thousand um you know, documents, patents, you know, all that kind of stuff that they seized, um. The stuff that they were that that they figured out that the Germans were working on. They were like, there's no possible way that we could have conceived of any

of this, because we didn't even know it was possible. Right now, Yeah, but there the Germans are making stuff that is forty years ahead of its time, like Skype. That's right. I saw that picture, Like, you gotta be kidding me. This is like the nineteen thirties and there's people talking on a phone to a TV. I'm like, that was decades ahead of its time. Now, with that being said, one understand that DARPA has technology decades in advance. Look at life Log and just that just

so happened the day life Log shut down. The next day Facebook kicked off, and we're supposed to believe that's organic as well. Happens all the fine. Boy, my coincidence jars awful big, I'll tell you. Oh yeah, her stills up daily. Yeah, it does, it really does. And it's funny you had mentioned I did a podcast last year I think on Patton, and it's another one of them things you don't think about. Yea,

Patton got in a car accident in Germany and died. And then when you actually take the time to research, Oh, he said what he said, we fought publicly said that we fought the wrong country. We should have fought Russia. And even all the reports, um, including I think he had a private E three or E four that was driving, he's like, hey, it was a minor accident, just you know, boom, a little bump. But they took him to the hospital for precautions, wouldn't you

know. He just happened to die when he got there. Yeah, that was only like a few months after the end of the war, right, because that was in nineteen forty five. Yeah, that's right, December twenty first, And look at that date, twelve to twenty one, that's that's a very occultish day. And he was born on eleven eleven two. Really

interesting that numerology with Patton. MM. Well, yeah, like I said, I don't, I've I've kind of come to an understanding where numbers and whatnot are concerned, where when we see synchronistic things like that, for instance, speaking of synchronicities times, do you ever look at the clock, George and it's like, oh, wow, it's four forty four y. Yeah, that's been happening to me a lot lately. And one of the times that I've been seeing almost daily, sometimes twice in a day, is nine

to eleven. I get that a lot too. And the other number I get is nine thirty three. I've seen nine thirty three every day for like the last ten days. I honestly think that once you put yourself on the path of truth and you ask God with all sincerity, show me the truth, you're going to start seeing things that you're not going to be able to

comprehend or interpret right away. And if you already have a preconceived notion about certain things like the number six, for instance, and seeing three of them, then you're immediately going to shy away from that thing. But it's being put in your face for a reason. Like especially if you honestly and sincerely ask show me truth in whatever form you want to show me, Like, you know, God works in mysterious ways. Well he keeps showing me six

six six. Why is that? Is he trying to tell me I'm evil? No? No, I mean it doesn't the Bible say that six six six the number of man, and it's well, it also says it's the number of the beasts as well. But um, you know, there's there's the interpretation that six to six is the number of man because we are one

step below God, who is seven seven seven. So it's uh, yeah, like I said, you can't if you have too many preconceived notions from you know, belief systems or other other inputs, there's going to be certain things that you're you're not going to be able to figure out. So, you know, taking all emotion out of it and trying to figure out whether there is some other meaning to this thing, Like is there some other meaning

to the shape of a cube? You know, gives a lot of people will say, oh, it's a cube, it's the black cube, it's you know, it's cetern, it's evil, it's well, I mean, revelation I think twenty one sixteen is that the Kingdom of God is shaped as a square and its length and breadth, length and breadth and width are equal, which makes it a cube. That's right shape like a square, and its height, length and depth are equal. So the new Jerusalem that's going

to come down is a cube. There you go. That's really interesting and I'd like to add on to that. And when you ask God to show you the truth, you better be ready to acknowledge it. It can be life changing sometimes and it's a and that correlates to me people who say I want to be free. We want freedom, and there's a lot of people

out there who couldn't handle true freedom. There's a lot of people who are glad to trade, working for forty hours a week to be in exchange with a currency, to go to a grocery store to have their food provided for them. And that's something that I try to explain to people, Like back in March of twenty twenty, there wasn't a food shortage. There was a grocery store shortage. Because we depend on others for our sustenance. There was

a common sense shortage. I mean, what was with the toilet paper what was with the toilet paper, George, I understand that at all. I just don't know. Yeah, it's the um you know, and and another you know concept that I recently learned from the Bible because I never knew where this phrase comp came from, but pearls before swine, and that was I always only ever heard that part of it. But it's do not cast your pearls before swine. But what do we call little nuggets of information that are

like insightful and just very informative nuggets? Yeah? What what do we call little pieces of information that are that are very insightful and informative? What's that? Pearls of wisdom? Oh of course, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So don't cast your pearls before swine means, right, don't try and give this information or this truth that you've discovered to people who don't understand its

value. Exactly, Yes, yes, yes, gotcha. And that was that was that was red letter, by the way, So that was Jesus saying that Jesus calling people dogs and swine basically, so don't don't try and don't try and tell this this truth to to people who aren't going to receive it. And they're gonna, you know, turn around and rende you. So they're they're they're gonna they're gonna brate you and make fun of you and

whatnot because they can't understand the truth that you're trying to give them. That's a great analogy and once again something straight from the Bible, and it correlates directly to the truth. Um. And we always say how can we wake people up? Well, if you offer to somebody who doesn't understand its value or doesn't value it, um that that just goes again. You can only give somebody knowledge if they're willing to accept it. That's why I believe less

is more. I believe, you know, breadcrumbs and things like that. It's up to the person to be to have the self engagement and curiosity to go after and find the truth for themselves, because I don't want even to all the people listening to me right now. And by the way, thank you everyone for listening to this podcast. But don't take my word for wholesale. Take it and research it and you know, maybe you'll you'll get a

different meaning than me. We're all different. We all accept you know, our ears take things in and our brain does things with it and we perceive it a certain way. Um, don't accept what I say wholesale. You know it's my you know, we say beliefs, but you know, this is what I have discerned for the truth. But again, it's up to the individual who's receiving the information. It's up to them whether or not they're going to digest it or not. You can't just like trying a baby that

doesn't want to eat, it's not going to eat. No, No, you're gonna be picking up a lot of food off the floor. You're gonna get spit on. I'm going through that right now with my one year old. You know, she's she's done eating. I know it because the rest of the food is on the floor and the dog is ticking it up.

Yeah. Absolutely. I'm glad you brought up the word curiosity, George, because in um, I told you before we started that I've kind of gotten into um, you know, Nasticism and mystery teachings and whatnot before I actually just started reading The Secret Teaching Is of All Ages by Manly P. Hall. And that's that's another you know, inflammatory term sometimes these days to people

who are practicing modern Christianity. Christianity is gnasticism. But it's uh in trying to reach through the Bible because I've just picked it up and opened it to random spots, just trying to to I don't know what the term is or if there even is a term for it, but one another one of those synchronicities, like if there's something the particular that I'm thinking about, can I open this book to a particular page and read something that you know it's going

to shed some light on the thing that I'm currently thinking about. But some of the parables, like they're so they seem so convoluted and difficult to understand. It's like this just this seems like gobbledegook, Like it said the words

salt seven times, they te sentences like what does that even mean? But where Nazisism comes in, it's, well, you're not going to be able to understand this unless you apply things like astrology and numerology and the metaphysical lessons that the Bible is trying to teach because as flat earthers, you know, we can't deny the skyclock, the constellations, the sun, the moons, all of that stuff, and almost every single you know, terrible or story

in the Bible can be directly correlated to something going on in the heavens above in the skyclock you know, this constellation and that constellation and you know in her and some of the constellations are used more than once in the in the Bible to tell more than one story, like Um Sephius Cassiopia and Andromeda, the King, the queen and the daughter. That's what they that's what they are, you know, um what do you call it? Um? What's

the term for that? Archetypally they're the king, the queen, and the daughter. And there's several stories in the Bible that have the figure of king,

a queen and the daughter and it's referencing those three constellations. And how you know there's something going on with the daughter because I don't know how much you know about you know, mythology and whatnot, but Stephias to Cassiopeia where the king and queen of Ethiopia and Andromeda was their daughter, and she was you know, they had to put her out as a sacrifice and blah blah

blah. So there's always something going on where the daughter is in peril or she's you know, sick and on death's door or whatever the case may be. But those three constellations are circumpolar constellations. They're they're you know, three of the constellations are that you'll find right around Polaris, and Polaris being the pole star or the center point. God is the center point. That's right like even in us, in the heavens wherever. So it's always the daughter

trying to get to the center point in these stories. And like I said, it's it's mirrored in the skyclock and that's where the as above so below comes in because what's going on in the skyclock Kenry can be referenced in the Bible. It can also be referenced in our own bodies. There's physiology to like, the Bible is a physiology book as well, because there are direct correlations to either structures or functions or both in the human body. So it's

it pulls together. It's it's a brilliant, brilliant book. And I see

why it's the most popular book of all time because it incorporates everything. And you had mentioned earlier it's um. I wish the churches would take the word as wholesale because not only would it, you know, people would realize the flat earth and even not just you know, with the firmament and everything, but even with the flood when when God says that he opened the windows of heaven, right, it just didn't have clouds roll in and start rain,

and he literally opened the windows of the firmament and started pouring the waters from above down right. Oh well, yeah, I mean we could get into some more technical stuff now if you like the whole you know, violation of the second law of thermo dynamics of having an atmosphere with no container next to the vacuum stag exactly, just another yeah, absolutely, go right ahead. I'm just silly. Well, I did take some notes on what I had

emailed you about with gravity. Oh that's right, I wanted to talk about that. Let me bring that up, yeah, because I had just it was very interesting the timing of that email as well, because I get emails all the time about how gravity works and we're we do it is kind of a lazy answer just to say density and buoyancy. And I had gotten an email the day before years saying is it's got to be more than that? And then you were explaining the electrical I guess side it was geocentric, not

geocentric electrostatic electrostatic, thank you, thank you. Yep. Yeah, it's like I said that the whole density and buoyancy thing never really it never really like satisfied my h It didn't feel like it it filled in the whole answer. I was like, okay, well, but it feels like density and buoyancy are still just words that we're using to describe phenomena that we're seeing. But what's causing the phenomenon? Right, And that's why you worded it perfectly.

You said that electrostatic force is governed by law, which means it's not just a theory. Yes, Colombe's law, which was published in seventeen eighty five. Although I would like to start before that with Newton. Newton did not come up with gravity. Is attributed to Newton, but let's see, he published the theory of gravitation or mass attracting mass. That's what it originally

was. The theory of gravity was mass attracts which doesn't make sense because you know, since my husband has more mass than me, I should be orbiting him all the time, which which I'm not. But um so he published his theory of gravitation in sixteen eighty seven in his Principia Mathematica, but he didn't include a hypothesis on how it worked. In sixteen seventy two he wrote, and and this this is a quote. So this is like in you

know, the language of Newton's time. So I'll kind of summarize it afterwards. Quote that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else by, and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one another is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has, in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking

could ever fall into it. So he was saying that mass attracting mass added distance is ridiculous, basically, and that he could not explain the phenomenon that he witnessed. That's what he's saying. I saw this thing happened, but I can't explain it now. In let's see, Cologne was seventeen eighty five. That's when that's when Cologne's Law, or the law of electrostatic force was

published. Cavendish Henry Cavendish was actually who published the formula for gravitation and he was the guy that had the shed with the two giant lead balls and you know, the too long the two smaller lead balls, and there was a torsion bar and he was like a thousand yards away or whatever. So it's

not to interfere with the experiment. Now, if Henry Cavendish had read about Colombe, which was thirteen years earlier, if he had taken into account electrostatic horse, he would have realized that that was probably why his lead balls moved the very minute, every minute distance that they did, and not that they were, you know, being acted upon by No, it's it's it's a solid iron core. No, now, it's a semi molten iron core.

Now, I was, how do you know you've never been down more than seven and a half miles and you're telling us that you'd freaking X ray the middle of the earth. Come on, that's right, And that wasn't until the twentieth century exactly. So yeah, so we get we get the gravitational formula from Cavendish. Now, if you look at the gravitational formula and you put it side by side with the formula for electrostatic force, all they did

was changed the lettering of the variables. It's still the same exact formula. Right. All they did was changed the f force to a G for gravity, and they changed the the k and the electrostatic force for like the the electrical there the electromagnetic potential of one object and the electromagnetic potential of the second object. They changed those ks to ms for mass. So they stole it. Imagine that they stole something and said, look what we discovered. Show

you didn't you plag your eyes just like Einstein did? Oh he was. He was a giant plagiarizer. Oh man. And not to mention the fact people trying to say, you know, gravity, that's why Thiggs fall, blah blah blah. Well I'm sorry, but did you forget about Einstein and his theory of special relativity where he said specifically that gravity is not a force. It's not a force. If something isn't a force, it can't be causing anything because if it's an effect of the bending of spacetime, then it

can't be causing anything. So gravity didn't cause anything to fall. It was supposedly the bending of spacetime, which is ridiculous. So if you look up a picture of you know, gravity and the bending of spacetime. They're going to show you the Sun sitting in this like wire mesh bowl essentially, and you know, the planets are are what is what does this say? Um gravity is not an attractive for us, but rather the bending of spacetime.

So really a central model. The Sun isn't pulling on the planet's keeping them in orbit. The planet are following the curved space time created by the Sun. Of course, that's not ridiculous, not at all. And by the way, there's a great video. kN Academy is another one of these curriculums that's actually free. They've got some decent stuff, but they did a pretty cool video that explains how the electrostatic force works with attraction and repulsion between the

different objects. And it does even show the breakdown that you were talking about, and you'll see what she's talking about, how they replaced the data the F force with the G and how it was hijacked. So I'll put that in the show description for y'all to watch as well. I've even seen videos of physics professors like not you know, thirty year old physics physics professors that

just got their degrees and there their first day of class. These guys look like they're ancient, and they're talking about how well, down here on Earth electrostatic force is actually the governing principle because it's t to the thirty ninth power stronger than gravity down here on the surface of the Earth. That's ten with thirty nine zeros after it. So basically what they're saying is that down here electrostatic force rules the day. You don't get into gravity until you get out

to the planetary scale. But therein lies another problem if people are curious about Okay, well, electrostatic forces gover down here, but gravity is still a thing out there. No, it's not. Look up NASA's three body problem. If you try and do a computer model where you have two objects that you have assigned mass too, still you know, orbit each other happily all day long. You throw in a third body, it throws the entire system

into chaos and it completely falls apart. So how do we have this solar system that has I don't even know how many dozens of bodies in it? Now? How many more moons if they discovered? So how is all of that stuff you know, supposedly working out there and there great beyond when they can't get it to work with just three in a computer model. Yeah, that's a that's a great point. And my question is we have, you know, thousands of these physics and obviously they've got a good head on their

shoulder, otherwise they wouldn't be physics professors. But how are not more of these guys not figuring this out? I think some of them know, but they can't say anything because you know, love of money, ego. I think ego is one of the biggest because people if you've been if you've been

doing something like that for that long. Let's let's say you've been a physics professor for forty years, You've spent so much of your time and money and effort in being that thing that to admit that you've been wrong that whole time, most people's egos wouldn't wouldn't be able to survive that. They just can't admit that they were wrong because they literally can't, like their egos will not

let them. Yeah, I think you're right, and that's something I should really because there are some people out there who probably are trying to tell the truth. They just like everything else. If you try to google something, it's only going to provide the results that they want you to see. The same when you go on YouTube and you put something in there, they're just

going to guide you towards the algorithms that they want you to see. Just like when you google flatter Earth, Oh, the flatter of Society comes up. You look at it and you're like, oh, this is ridiculous, and you go on about your day. And that one actually really upsets me to ours the flatterth Society, because when the flatter of Society started, it was a husband and wife. Yeah, were genuine flat Earth Yeah, from like the sixties or seventies. Yeah, yeah, and they put out like

a monthly was it a monthly newslet? Yeah, that guy sat down and typed out this long newsletter and melt it out to two thousands of people across the country every month. Yeah. It's it's it's a shame that, um, you know, people are people are trying to do, you know, to to go back to another biblic or reference. They're trying to do good works and you know, show people the right path and blah blah blah,

and it's just the controllers of this world can't have that. They can't have people waking up and realizing that they have, you know, the spark of the divine within them all, all of us do, even even the most the sleep person in the world that you would you know, whose teeth you'd probably want to rearrange, they have the spark of the divine in them as well. And you know, once you realize that, life gets a lot

less complicated. That's right and going But going back to what we were talking about earlier, when you have all the money in the world, when you see when the controllers see something organic taken off, they can write a blank

check to to you know, like even some people say YouTube. I think there's an interview out there one of the one of the guys who was supposedly one of the founders of YouTube regret selling it because obviously he sees because he wanted it to be, you know, a created, generated, freedom of speech type of platform, which is the furthest thing in the world right now.

But when you have an unlimited bankroll, I mean most people, you know, if somebody came up to me and said, well, this fact on our podcast is really good, we'd like to buy the right sermon. Here's a check for a million dollars. I mean, that's that is like a next level temptation, and they could take it and just destroy it. There's so many different ways they can control narratives and when they see something organic taking over again, when you print money out of nothing and you have all

of it federal reserve, you can run everything. Oh absolutely, I think. I think sometimes it's easier for them to wait for um, just like like going back to the the husband and a wife in the flatter of society was probably easier for them to wait until they were like on their way out right, because you know, because they were they were older, so you know, insert somebody in there who they're going to think is on their side, and they're going to continue their work. But then you know, once

the founders are gone, then this person can take it. It's whatever direction they want, right and I don't. It's it's it's kind of one of those things that you're standing before. You know. They can't, they can't

create anything. They don't. And if you if you you know, are are honestly and sincerely trying to live in truth, especially biblically Biblically speaking, you're not going to fall to the temptation of that kind of stuff because you're going to realize it that that you know, it's no different than you know, Jesus being on the top of the mountain Satan and him saying, I will give you all of this to do this and do that. And Jesus is like, oh, I'm good, so you know, and and he

even said something about, you know, what what good is? You know? All of the uh crap. I can't I'm gonna have to like horribly paraphrase this, but you know, basically, what what good is all the material in the world if you forfeit your soul, that's right. So you know, there's there's no there's no good reason to do it. And I think unfortunately these days, especially with you know, the importance that has been put on on financial things, monetary things, material things, people just fall

too easily into that trap. And we need to get we need to get back to a place where you know, people, people realize we are we are all connected and part of one hole and there is you know, a higher purpose to this place, and we need to figure out what our what our personal role is in that down here. That's right. What's the term they use when somebody has um, you know has been financially you know,

has a great job and it is a big player there. They say, you know, mister Smith is a successful man, right, and that they judge not just in this country either, but most countries around the world. You're judged by your bank account. Um. And there's very little placement on morals um and and our spirituality, spirituality, you know, oh absolutely, I think if we if we got back to um, well, okay,

I'll say this, Um. The the division, not just the division that's created by you know left right, you know, male, female, black, white, all all of that stuff, not just that, but the hierarchical you know, there's because they're there, there's a hierarchy of of division. So there's you know the lower levels, which is you know, political and you know, male female, that kind of stuff. But you have

all these divisions in in people seeking God as well. So you have you know, you have Christians Catholics, just justin the Christian Teachings alone or the Christian Church. How many denominations of Christianity are there? Quite a bit, There's a lot. So you have all of those denominations of Christianity, and then you have all the other religions or other religions you have, you know, the the native religions, Jainism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Muslim or yeah,

Muslim, all of that stuff. But if everybody could come back to the realization that we're all seeking the same thing. And I think this goes back to the Tower of Battle, where you know, God dispersed everyone and confused their language. So we're all seeking the same thing, but we're saying it differently. And because of that, we can't understand that the Buddhist is doing the same thing that we are, that the Muslim is doing the same

thing that we are. They're all doing the same thing, just with the different language and possibly with different symbolism and whatnot. But all of the symbolism, I mean, if God created everything, then God owns all the symbolism as well, So all of those symbols are ultimately his. Whether it's Muslim Buddhists, doesn't matter. They're all His. So all of them apply.

So it's unfortunate that modern day Christians can look at things like you know, hindu and the Yogic traditions or Buddhism and be like, well, that doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, while I beg to differ because you can find at least at least like an iteration of those symbols in Christianity, or they're close enough to where it looks like it's trying to express the same thing

just slightly differently. So, like I said, if we're if we're all searching after the same thing but using a different language, it doesn't matter the language we're using, because we're all trying to achieve the same thing. Yeah, great point. And you know, many of the religions whom you know stay close to the word. I mean you look at the Amish, how they even refuse to join our society, and many of the Middle Eastern people.

You know, even in the military movies like Blackhawk Down and etc. When you hear the prayer being called in the cities, you know, three or five if forget how many times I should know. I was there five and a half years, but I think it was. Yeah, I think you're right. It was five times a day, sum up, some down, and three times in between. Even like literally you're driving down the roads, the trucks pull over to the side of the road, they get their

prayer rug out and they're praying and it's ridiculed. And once again, the controllers, they they corrupt, they prevert, that's the perfect word to use. They pervert everything. And that was another reason when you look who was really behind nine to eleven. Don't need to jump ship here, but who became the bad guide worldwide after nine to eleven? For those first couple of years, if you went to an airport and you saw a Muslim person,

you were freaking out. You're sitting on a plane. A guy with the turbine comes in and sits on the plane, You're freaking out. I mean, that is next level you know, mine manipulation. Oh that's not dumping ship at all. I mean just from a religious standpoint, if you actually look at the tenants of the Muslim faith, they are almost directly align with

the tenants that you know, the Christian faith is trying to teach. Now, when you get into Judaism, that goes a little bit off filter if you start reading the Talmood, because it's not the Muslim faith that's talking about how you know, non believers have to be killed and and they you know, we need to subjugate them and blah blah blah, No, that's in the talmood. We're cattle. Like they can treat us however exactly. They

can treat us however they want. It doesn't matter, and they'll you know, even occasionally kill off a few of their own if it gains them some some some sympathy. I dont tu tither um. So yeah, of course they have to any anything that has to do with, you know, people living in a right way, meaning people trying to live in a godly way, need to be demonized otherwise more people will see it and be like, hey, they look like they're they're on the right truck. They're like,

what are they doing. They're like that guy's happy all the time, and he's grateful for everything he has, and oh he gets that mindset from his religion. Well, I think I kind of want to look into that, because that seems like a good way to live. No, they don't want people doing that. They want people miserable. They want people scared, and they want people broke. You said that perfectly. That is so true. They want people miserable. They want your you know, some people use the

word vibrations or whatever. You know, they want you, they want your morale low. But most importantly, they want you dependent on them. And that's the reason when you turn on the news, you don't hear things like even on your local news. Hey, congratulations to Jim Smith who just retired from the Philadelphia Fire Company after forty years of service to his community. It's always twenty nine minutes and thirty set. Well, let's say this. It's

it's twenty eight minutes of fear porn. It's ninety seconds of weather and thirty seconds that they'll slip a little cool story at the very very end as they roll into the you know, the late night comedy shows or whatever. But that's what it's all about. That's just the way of the cookie from Bowl if It, if It, if it leads, it leads and sex cells big time. Yeah, because we have been wymarrised to bring it back to World War two. Yeah, that's I'm finishing my series on Tuesday on that.

And if people don't And I was just talking to my best friend of forty years the other night that nobody knows anything about wymar Germany. If you, if you go again the old if you stood in front of Walmart and asked a hundred people, tell me something about Wymar, Germany. They're gonna be like, why is that like a city by um, you know,

Berlin. They don't understand that the debauchery, which ultimately led Hitler into power nineteen thirty three, is the exact It mirrors exactly what we're going through today with the debauchery. The first, if I remember correctly, the first sex change was done in the Weimar Republic in nineteen twenty six ers by Magnus Hirsch I think his name was um. So this whole trans agenda that you're seeing forced down our throats today was gone on in the nineteen twenties in Germany,

yep. And I believe that was one of the first places they shut down and it became the Berlin headquarters for the Nscape. Is that right, that doesn't I believe? So? Uh yeah. So have you seen some of the artwork that cave out of that era, George, Oh, that the artwork in the movies and the movies, it was disgusting. And that was

the first, like the first play about homosexuality, yep. There were plays about adultery, lesbianism, while that that kind of goes along with homosexuality, but drag queens, all of that stuff time, not just transgender but uh well, I mean transgender is like the extreme form of transvestism. But yeah, it was just it was disgusting the stuff going on at that time. And that was you know, they had, oh, what was it,

fourteen years of that because it started in nineteen nineteen. That was when you know, the Weimar government was put in place, and it went until Hitler took power in nineteen thirty three. Now I'm sure. Also what most people don't realize is Hitler was elected at the end of January of nineteen thirty three.

March twenty fourth of that year, you can find the newspaper headline that says, Judea declares born Germany. Yes, it's like this guy's only been in power for a month and a half, Like why is international jewry if you want to use a Henry Ford term, declaring war on Germany. They weren't saying something specifically about Piler. They were pissed off that he got into power because he was a traditionalist and a nationalist and he wanted to turn Germany

around, and they were like, well, we can't have that. We need to we need to do something about this. So they declared war. And according to international law, if you are declared war upon that opens up your options quite a bit for dealing with the people who belonged to the group

that declared war on you. And if I'm not mistaken, there were Jewish newspapers, publications, all that kind of stuff that were telling the Jews in Germany and German occupied areas to wear their yellow stars with pride ural yellow stars. I said, you'd on them muted, ye, So wear it with pride. It's like, so you're proud of being, you know, a subversive element in other people's cold. Oh, that's right, you are, because you've been doing it for like hundreds of years. How many countries are

they've been kicked out of now over one hundred one nine? Yeah, yeah, So it's it's, um, the worrisome thing is and it's weird how it's almost one hundred years to the exact time because you know this whole uh, you know that this debauchery is really being pushed on us like it was one hundred years ago. But the other thing that's not talked about, um, how Weimar and our country today is the hyper inflation they started. Tell

me if this sounds familiar they started printing money like crazy. Hyper inflation inflicted the country, and in nineteen twenty three you start to see pictures of people carrying wheelbarrows worthless cash down the streets. And again, history repeats itself. If you don't learn from history, it's it's going to repeat itself. I was just gonna say, I'm glad I want a wheelbarrow because I might need

it by the end of the Yeah. I mean, for a minute, their eggs are going for I think eight dollars a dozen around here, and I was like a king and like, hey, George, can I get some of them eggs? It's like, um, but things have settled down a bit, but still um, it's just amazing. Again, that's why history is so important, not just history, not the history they teach, but true history, questioning everything, because the stuff you're going to get into

history books is what this government wants you to believe. And again I've said many times mcgrawl hill is the largest publisher in the United States. Mcauslane Maxwell's father owned that company. In the eighties into the early nineties. Leon Black, a guy who was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein, owned you Know Your Your children's textbooks for a decade, so just because it's in a book in

your school. And that's once again we questioned the government. You know, we always sit aroun on the camp fires and the bars and say how much we can't stand the government. Yet when certain subjects come up, you're you're

led to believable. There's no way they lied about that, and again including flat earth right, and you know, going going back to the um, you know, falling, falling back on logic for things, if you apply some logic to uh, you know, World War two and the things that we are told happened during that particular period of time, if you actually you know, like you were saying that the true history of events, not not not his story, not the story written by the victors, but stuff,

you know. And and this this comes around to primary source documentation. There still has not been one one document that has been presented that proves that the Germans had an extermination plan for the Jewish people. Correct. So, and there are even Jewish scholars that have looked into this trying to trying to prove it, and they've come away with I can't find anything. And it's like the Germans were meticulous in their their record keeping, their not taking their all

all of it. They were they were meticulous. And I mean the Enigma code was broken in nineteen forty two, I believe by the British and the Germans didn't know it yet obviously they thought, you know, they were that

their correspondences were still safe. So if the Camps started operation in nineteen forty one and their code was broken in nineteen forty two, unbeknownst to them, don't you think that something would have been uh, you know, intercepted at some point between nineteen forty two and nineteen forty five, talked about gassings or extermination plan or you know, we killed this many this day and blah blah

blah. No, but what you will find is correspondences between like let's say, Camp commandants and Himmler talking about, you know, how many sick people they had and what they were doing to treat them, and Himmler writing back

saying, we need to reduce the number of deaths. It's like, if these guys were so evil and they wanted to, you know, exterminate every single Jew for one thing, it'd be way easier to just shoot them on site, you know, pardon my protesque language, but it would have been way easier to just do that than to come up with this elaborate scheme to gas them in a shower room. Of course, and if you understand the mechanics of zyklon B and how it's supposed to be, you know, just

just just look into how zyklon BA is supposed to be used. Like they they sold a unit for um like heating up the pellets and whatnot that like those pellets wouldn't have worked without that thing, and they they didn't have any of those in the supposed gassing shower rooms. And not to mention the fact the curator of the Auschwitz Museum has already you know, he admitted to David

Cole when David Cole went to Auschwitz, who was a Jew. By the way, that the chimney behind the building was put in by the Soviets in nineteen forty eight, and they were the ones that cut the holes in the roof, that's right, So I mean, and there were twenty two camps that they were that they labeled as death camps at the time, sixteen of which have been downgraded to just you know, labor camps or concentration camp fort camps or whatever, and that you know, no, no gasings took place

there. The other six were in Poland, which was liberated by the Soviets. Those are the only six that are still pointed to as the death camps. But even in place, I believe it's um Berken Felson. No, that was that was aberated by the by the British, So that was an allied one. It's one that starts with it be burkenhow I think, is what it's called um But there's a sign in there in the shower room that says, you know, gas chamber, and then underneath in parentheses it says

never used as a gas chamber. It's like, what that what's kind of like the sticker on the globe. This is used for decorative home you know, yeah, not for educational purposes. There you go, thank you. So yeah, it's just looking into the I mean then there's there's a lot of good documentaries I've got at this point, I've watched dozens and dozens of hours ago Europe is uh one of the better ones. And what really smacked me in the face was two years it'll be two years ago this June.

Um I got an email request from there was a group of survivors from the USS Liberty and um, they wanted to come on the the podcast. And that's when I got really woken too. I mean, these guys, here's the thing. If that ship would have sunk, our history would have been so different. And those guys, God bless them, kept that ship afloat. And your history books will tell you go to or Wikipedia, you know, all the official narratives will tell you that our our boat didn't have a

flag that day. And I had two you want to talk about getting information from the sources. I had two guys who were on the boat that day, and they said that US flag was flying high and mighty that day, and it was full of lies. And you could hear and those guys, both of those guys repeatedly quoted Revelations two nine and three nine, which you know talks about. They say they are Jews, but they're not. They're the Synagogue of Satan. And again this the rothchilds I believe, and the

people who are that's what they are, the Synagogue of Satan. They're Satan worshippers. Yet there are Jews out there, and that's what people get triggered by you, are you in that ti semi? No, The Bible tells you in the end times there were people who will use and that's what they do. They use the narrative of the Holocaust as a victim card. And just look what they did in Um in Florida two weeks ago with HB two sixty nine where you can go to jail for five years for passing out flyers.

And what's his name the governor there, DeSantis, He flew to Israel to sign the bill. So he one day he flew out there stood and I think it was Tel Aviva, Jerusalem, signed the bill and flew back. It's just if you don't understand who runs the world. These guys all have to kiss the ring. Obama Trump, all of them. There's pictures of them wearing a Yamica's at the whaling walls. And I know we've kind

of doven off flat Earth. But at the end of the day, it's all it's all about the truth and true history is so oh important, and even in this case, it's biblical. Um. One of the other things I really wanted to touch on UM was the flat Earth curriculum. And Um. Again, there's when I talked to. I think it was Josh from the Founded Earth Brothers. I think there are some kind of programs out there in beta. But one thing that I've forgotten I didn't even realize what um

Dave's app actually has, uh some pretty cool playlists for children. Oh yeah, I've acttioned that in my email was a Biblical and Flatter Earth for kids. And the flatters for kids they hijacked sesame streets, well sesame street clips and like turn them into flat Earth videos. Really, um so I thought

that was kind of funny. Yeah, um so, yeah, those are those are definitely good, um place or even even just sitting down with the Bible and reading it and explaining you know, it says firmament right there right in Genesis, like it says fermament, fermament. You know the word that the Hebrew word that is translated to firmament. I can't remember what the Hebrew word is right now, but um, the Hebrew word literally means like a

hard barrier. So there's obviously and that's not to say that it's it's it's a literal, like you know, glass dome that's over us or whatever. Although the Bible does refer to it as you know it it's as a a looking glass and you know, um, like it could be it could be that it is a you know, electro magnetic barrier that could feel solid. But just like the um the Goldfast rocket. I mean, if it was something that was actually solid that that thing hit, it would have shattered on

impact. But it didn't. It just stopped like it it was it's almost like it it encounters something energy she shedding, yes, and it just stopped. And it was like why would it do that? And it stuck there. It looked like it was stuck in something like when you take a pencil and like you know one of those uh you know a room that's gotta drop ceiling. So the so the ceiling tiles are you know, you can poke holes in them and you you sit you're you're sitting in a chair, you

throw a pencil up and it sticks in the ceiling. It kind of looked like that's what the rocket did that it got like stuck in something. So you know, it's like, like I said, it's obviously not an actual like physical barrier. UM. What it is you know, is upper speculation at this point because nobody has been able to actually you know, suss out what it is, but I think it it might have something to do with

electromagnetism, because electromagnetism, you know, getting actually electricetic force thing. Electromagnet magnetism rules everything down here. You can't have magnetism, you know, anytime you create electricity creates magnetism, and magnetism creates electricity, so you can't have

one without the other. And you know, if you if you look at UM, not looking at a torontal field UM, you know, because we we have heaven flows of energies and whatnot, and the toroidal field, to me, makes makes the most sense in terms of UM an electromatic electromagnetic UM phenomenon going on that's moving, you know, in a in a toroidal it basically looks like a giant doughnut UM. So like with the Sun and the moon UM, or is it the sun would be the anode and the moon

is the cathode because the sun's positive and the most negative. So you know, that's pretty much like where the where the tides come in. That's kind of the conclusion that I came to that it's only works on salt water, like that was one of the things looking into flat Earth. I was like, holy crap, only saltwater has types, that's right, Like why does why does in freshwater have ties? Maybe it has something to do with the

salt. Well, why would the salt make a difference? And I went down that rabbit hole and then I, I, you know, came up to the came up to the the idea that while the sun's positive, the moon's negative. Salt in water, specifically salt in water conducts electricity or you

know, electromagnetic potential whatnot. So it's the water is actually being repelled and attracted by the Sun and the moon because of the electromagnetic nature of you know, the you you have the positive interacting with the negative and that's creating magnetism. And so it's a it's a it's a push pull if you will, or or a repel attract um for the for the tides. Because yeah, that that that really kind of my mind. I was like, holy crap,

there aren't tides of freshwater, aren't there? That's right. Yeah, And going back to what you were saying, that the Hebrew word for firmament literally means you know, the vault of heaven or the actual you know, the firmament itself. And you know, you look at back in the fifties with Operation Dominic and Fishbowl, these guys were really once again thinking that they could meet God. And I don't know what they were thinking that they were

they were hoping they could crack the firmament and flutter. What do you think what was going on during that time. I think that they were being influenced by Satan who was telling them, you know, take a bite of this apple and you will be as God, and they were trying to do that. Or they're just so anti Christ. I mean, if you, you know, believe in and accept Jesus Christ, that makes you pro Christ, right, So if you don't, then you are anti Christ. There you

go. So I think that they are so anti Christ that they were like, well, we can't really you know, control this place down here, so we're going to try and destroy it. Yeah, And that's really when they started to hijack everything. And again they can't get past the firmament and they've I think they figured out they can't go deeper than like you said, seven and a half miles, there's nothing that we can do. And that's

why I know this is another one of those wild conspiracy theories. That's when when I took a biblical view of you know, the narrative of nuclear missiles is like, wait a second. You know that there's supposed to be certain things that play out over time before the end of the world happens with this

particular weapon that they claims can destroy the earth fifty times over. That is that goes completely against the narrative of revelation, right well, yeah, I mean, you know, look, putting putting aside the fact that there's pretty strong evidence for nuclear weapons in and of themselves being bogus, but it's man can't destroy this place, like you know, it says it right there in the Bible. The earth endors you know, the world might end is in

like the world as we know it. That's why, you know, in terms of like recess and whatnot, I think there have been you know, at least a few, if not many. So there have been, there have already been, you know, apocalypses if you want to put it that way. And people have a strong aversion to that worre too. And it just means you know, a change, just like the death card in the tarot, isn't the worst card. You can get death in the tarot.

That card means change. Something is going to end so something else can begin. And that's exactly what the apocalypse is as well. This era needs to end so that this new one can begin. Like, just because the world as you know it is so doesn't mean that there isn't something better coming right,

right, and we and that leads back. It's interesting when you have conversations like this, how it always leads back to you know, as Christians, we shouldn't fear death because we know there's a better life on the other side. However, the same people who should be afraid of death were so scared to death of death a couple of years ago. We were willing to

not we me. But I'm just saying that there's a lot of people out there who were so fear based, mind controlled to roll up their sleeve and take a what we'll just say, you know, experimental gene therapy, right, Yes, I understand your sentiments. I don't. I don't call it therapy because therapy imply something, right. I don't like to use the word vaccine. I don't you know. I always struggle to use words on some of these topics. Oh, but they they changed the definition of a vaccine

to include MR and A products. I believe they did that two and a half years ago. Yeah, and once again they bought and sold the Oxford Dictionary a few years ago to make a lot of their narratives fit normalcy. Yeah, it's ridiculous. But any anybody, anybody who claims to, you know, believe in Christ or believe in God, but went and got the job for one thing, you're like slapping God in the face saying you've screwed up so much making my body that I need to put these man made products

in it so that it'll work right. And that goes for and that goes for any vaccinations period. Like my children are not vaccinated because they don't need to be that. That's not you know, if if something is wrong with them, if they if they you know, get sick or whatever the case may be, it's not because they're deficient in them the MMR vaccine. It's because they were exposed to some toxin or they're deficient in some nutrients. You

know. To say that, it's just if goes my mind when and you know, I don't I don't need to offend anybody, but it boggles my mind when there are people who proclaim to be Christians who buy into the vaccine thing so wholeheartedly that there'll be some of the ones spitting in your face if you don't do it, or if you don't do it to your children. It's like, but I thought God was infallible, Like I don't think he's screwed up so much making our bodies that we need to be pumping all these

vaccines into us. It's not that's not how it's supposed to work. And by the way, George, most of the churches in the country shut down when the government told them to because they were required to buy law. Because they are five one which is an incorporated church. They made themselves corporations,

which now puts them under the jurisdiction of the government. If you have a church that is a I believe it's five or three C one A that's an unincorporated church, and you don't have to do jack all what the government says.

Yeah, And you know, earlier this year, I on my other podcast, I played Remembering COVID, and I just played nothing but clips of pastors getting arrested and non essential businesses are now closed and it's it's just it was amazing to me hearing It's it's important that we continue to remind people of this kind of stuff, because otherwise, look, it's already been twenty two years since nine to eleven and a blink of a night, it's been twenty

two years since nine to eleven, and not a single person involved in that mess have been held accountable. Last night on my other podcast, I read the first chapter of the nine to eleven Commission report. You would have thought Stephen King wrote it. The first chapter actually starts out, this is the nine to eleven Commission Report on the largest terrorist attack on American soil. It

starts out, it was a it was a beautiful Tuesday morning. Some folks were heading into like literally, that's how I'm I'm like, are you kidding me? They treated this as a novel. It doesn't talk about the security at the airports, it doesn't talk about the two point three trillion missing dollars. I mean, if you read, and I'm assuming that most people listening to this podcast has at least gone down the nine to eleven rabbit hole a little bit and are hip to kind of the truth about it, I mean,

if you really sit down and it's it's a dot gov. You can just sit down to Google it and you don't have to pay for it. Just pull it up and read it. You'll be like, are you kidding me? I mean, this is the best and brightest in our country. They investigated the largest crime supposedly on American soil, and this is what they produced. Man, just a slap in the face. Well yeah, I mean just looking at all of the inconsistencies and the issues with what they say

happened on that day. And I'm in the no Planes camp, by the way, because I saw some very compelling events. Apparently the guy that invented was inserting objects into a live feed was flying around in a helicopter that day around New York City. So, and I don't even know if you can find this documentary anymore. I got it probably over ten years ago. It's called No Planes. It's in like all caps. It's a four hour documentary.

But you know, they go over I mean, obviously the Pentagon is easy to, you know, determine that that clearly was not a plane. But it's a little harder when it comes to the trade towers because people saw planes hitting the buildings on TV, that's right. But people on the ground that day there you can find plenty of my witness testimony of people saying that they didn't see a plane, but they heard explosions. Yep. So I think I think there's actually, you know, pretty pretty good evidence for no

planes all around. But I mean, you know, aside from like I said, what happened just that day, the Patriot Act was what over ten thousand pages long or something ridiculous like that. Yep, it's pretty obvious it was written before nine to eleven exactly, just like just like the quote unquote vaccine for COVID existed before the announcement of COVID. So COVID was for the vaccine. The vaccine wasn't for covid. COVID was for the vaccine. Nine

to eleven was for the Patriot Act. That Patriot Act wasn't four nine to eleven. And then our world really changed with the the Smith mount Act being quote unquote modernized and the words Smith's right. They didn't cancel the Smith montac which did not allow the federal government to use propaganda against its own people, and in twenty twelve they modernized it, allowing it with fancy wordsmithing, and then all of a sudden you started having all these school shootings and all these

other CIA led events. One thing I did want to add before I forget. If you want to realize speaking of the no planes, go to Google and feel free to use Google for this one, and just put in three words into Google birds strike airplanes and then click on images, click on images, and then think about that exact same there's British Airways unite on all the same airplanes. Think about it hitting a steel building with forty seven you know,

and again these were built to sustain. And just use your logic and scroll down look at the pictures. You'll you'll get the gist of what I'm saying when you look at the pictures birds strikes airplanes and click on images. Yeah, it literally says in the architectural you know, in the the information

on the architectural drawings and whatnot. I can't think of the terminology right now, but when they planned those buildings, they did the internal you know, steel structure the way that they did so that it would withstand a plane hitting it, Like they specifically built it to withstand a plane hitting it. Yeah. But now you're telling us that, oh it all of a sudden, can't do that. I mean, what kind of magic with a K is this? And then of course nobody knows, well, most people who's not

awake have no idea about Building seven. Oh yeah, I didn't even know even when I started looking into ten, nine, eleven. It took probably a year or two of looking into it before I came Before, you know, the the whole Building seventh thing came along, and then Building six. I was like, what the hell is this? You know? Yeah, the numbers with one, two and seven, which means December seventh, and the guys who created that documents that it would take a new pearl harbor,

which happened on December seventh. All the correlations with it was just a trip. Yeah, well they had to do building six and seven, George, because I always wondered too until probably the last week. Why specifically building six and seven, along with buildings one and two. Buildings one and two are obvious. I mean they look like a giant eleven, they look like you

know, you know Joachima Boaz. Yeah. The pillars a settlement's temple, Yeah yeah, yeah, which by the way, is metaphorical it was never a physical place. It's referencing temple of God within us that we need to erect whatnot. But so I get the symbolism with that, Okay, why six and seven? Like weren't there other buildings in that complex that were close enough? Like why not building four or five? Why are those two?

And that is also a direct reference and a mockery, a direct reference to the Bible and a mo of God because the numbers six and seven are referenced to squaring the circle. And I wish that I had a better explanation for the squaring of the circle, but it's one of the oldest, one of the oldest geometric problems, and there's references to squaring the circle all over the Bible. It's the the unity of opposites, basically, is what it comes

down to. It's the unity of opposites. So that I think is why they did specifically building six and seven, because it's a mockery of the squaring of the circle, because I see, I'm actually seeing the picture here thirteen steps, seven circles, and six lines, right, yes, okay, very similar to the Flower of Life, yes, and very similar to the to call the separate off the cobbalistic tree of life with the yes. So all of those are are the same thing, just you know, different depictions

of the same thing. Like we were talking about earlier, you know with the Tower of Babble, everybody's saying the same thing. We just can't understand what they're saying because we're speaking a different language. But they are saying the same thing. And it's uh, what was it gonna say? Seven? Oh, yes, symbolism in general. It was today or yesterday. I

was listening to something about freemasonry and the compass in the square. If you look at the symbol of the compass in the square and you apply it to here to what we see in nature, top part which is yeah, that's the compass um. The top part of the compass is the sky, the square is the earth, and they are you know, where the earth is reaching up to meet the sky and the sky is reaching down to meeting the earth. That's like flat earth cosmology right there in the freemason compass and square.

And by the way, Jesus was a carpenter, that's right, he would have used the compass and a square a whole lot and geometry and numbers and all of that stuff. That's right, great correlation there, that's something that's not really pointed out. That's a You're a great thinker. I'll tell you that. Um. You make a lot of connections. And we are closing in on two hours. Where there any other things that you had noted

that you wanted to mention? Um, No, I would just like to close with the hashtag that I put on every single TikTok video that I personally have made, and that hashtag is fear is the mind Killer, because Doune is one of my favorite movies and that is one of the greatest lines in terms of being a truth seeker that I have ever heard in my entire life. Do not fear anything, especially if you have a belief in Jesus and in God. There is no reason to fear or anything because everything is aligned

with God's purpose and plan. And don't be afraid to die. Don't be afraid of people telling you, well, you can't do that because it's against the law. Whose law your law, Man's law. I'm not subject to that law. I'm subject to God's law. So don't don't let fear make decisions for you. Don't fear numbers, symbols, other people germs, none of that stuff. Would you like me to put your your TikTok channel in the show description? Is that okay? Uh? Yeah, okay, I

believe it is. I want to say it's Katie Underscore Sail Victor. Yep, Katie Katie Underscore Victor Echo Indi Alima. Yeah. Usually remember to ask these questions before we start, but we always get engrossed in such a good conversation. And then the email account I've been emailing you, Do you want me to use that as well? Uh? Yeah, that was fine, Okay, So that's uh Katie v zero eight zero to eighty three gmail dot

com. I don't worry about writing it down, folks. We'll have her TikTok and her Gmail email address in the show description, and I always keep that at the very beginning so you don't have to scroll down and try to find it, so it can link you to Katie. And you've been and once again, this is the second time we've kind of gotten together, and

both times you've absolutely crushed it and we have to unprogram ourselves. A lot of the conversations that you have can trigger some people, which is the reason I had I'm doing this a completely separate podcast because you know that the words flat earth trigger people. You have to question everything, You absolutely have to question everything, especially if it comes from quote unquote government sources. Just once

again, for the eight hundredth time, we're going to reference COVID. How many times were we told that, you know, remdesivie and being intubated was the correct way to go, and how hydro chloroquin was you know, horse paced and was terrible, And you know, here we come twenty twenty three and all the things that they said were complete lives. But even the presidents saying in November of twenty twenty one, if you don't get vaccinated, you're

going to die, like that's literally what he said. He said we were going to have a winter of death. And here we are and once again, no accountability, no apologies, nothing whatsoever. It's no and it's it's not going to happen with our four systems because I mean, you can't, you can't use the system to try and police the system. That's the fox garden, the handhouse. That's true. And in closing, I've tried to do the same thing. Back in the day, George used to say I

have a first amendment. I can say whatever I want. I don't need a piece of paper that was written by another man to tell me I have my God given rights. And that's something that I'm I stand by today. You know, there's God's laws, and you know, out of respect you drive thirty five or fifty five and things like that. But you know, I'll be darned if I'm going to ask someone permission to say what I think.

So we'll close on that. Thank you. So God only has law law, and that's do one too others as you would have and do onto you. That's right. Everything stends from that. Yeah, a great point. And that's just even if you're you're not a Christian, it's not a bad mantra to live by. Just treat people nice. We'd have such a much better world for ourselves, but more importantly our children and grandchildren. For Katie. I'm George. Thank you guys so much for joining us. We'll

have another podcast. This is dropping Sunday night. We'll have another one dropping Wednesday or Thursday, and that will be with Kevin. So we look forward to that. God bless everyone. Have a great week, and until next time, keep your head on a swivel, and we we'll see