The following presentation is in Del Marta Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for an another edition of the Flat Earth Files. We're recording on this May eleventh, twenty twenty three, on the cusp of Mother's Day weekend. And with that being said, I hope all the mothers out there have a tremendous weekend and are able to spend some time with
your family. We have a great guest standing by, Daniel Is joining us from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, right after we do a few housekeeping notes here. Of course, the website is the flat earth files dot com. Again, it's the flat earth files dot com. Check out the chat room and jump in the forum, post your questions there. It's it's a very very active site. You can also leave a message on our speak pipe.
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that is out of the way. Let's kick it off with tonight's episode and joining us again from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, is Daniel a good evening, sir? How are you are you there? Yeah? There you go? Perfect? All right, Well, welcome aboard. Just can't hear you
as well as I was hoping. But yeah. So my name is Daniel Sydenham and I've grown up in Calgary pretty much my whole life and haven't moved, but I've I've traveled a bit, and when I was young, I really questioned a lot of these surroundings around me and was never really one for schooling. Really questioned a lot about the natural world and didn't think that school provided really a lot of the answers, very generic type of answers and rapid
petitian is what it felt like. As I got older, I got into high school, started meeting a lot of new influences, and social studies was something that I heavily gravitated to, and once I met a specific teacher, he kind of entered me into this type of thinking of just questioning the world around you a bit more, and he kind of elevated my own thinking and inspired me a lot after high school, including and it was kind of a
journey that left left me with a lot of questions right after high school and kind of entered the realm of conspiracy theories I was. I was very young when nine to eleven happened, and that always kind of didn't sit well with me either, and kind of reached down a lot of the grabbit hole as I got older and eventually eventually led to the flat Earth. And by the time I really dove into it, I kind of went in with the same idea as David Weiss, where he kind of wanted to disprove it. I
was very much on the same boat where I didn't. I didn't really think it was a smart idea to be thinking that the Earth was flat, And as I got pretty deep into it, I went into it with more of a biblical sense, more of a scientific sense, and kind of found a lot of the answers to some of the questions. And the more that I dove deeper into the Bible and how the Bible relates a lot of this. It's kind of helped me to become almost upborn again, born first time Christian.
And you know, I've had a lot of ups and downs, but now that I see and have the light of God guiding me, it's it's really affected me and true change my life personally. And there was one guest that simply stated it exactly like that, this is personal and this lie that we've been told is it's worldwide. It's just astonishing and it blows my mind.
There's a lot that kind of influenced me into this thinking as I was heavy into World War two history and the conspiracy side of the Nazis, and when you start going through that rabbit hole of project or sorry Paperclip and Werner von Braun, the esoteric and the occult surroundings around NASA, it kind of starts to quickly fall in line and it gives you a smidgeon of the truth
of what this might possibly act, actually be. And yeah, it's been kind of something that I've been reaching out to to a lot of people. It is very, very, very difficult, as I've heard from many people on your show. It's it's something that you can't push onto people. And
if they're seeking some sort of truth on this journey like I am. Then there's a conversation to be had, and I've learned very very very often with a lot of loved ones, it's not something that you can bring up and you become very self censored and it influences a lot of your thinking daily when you do realize that this really is what I believe to be what the Bible
describes. Yeah, if do you have any questions? Yeah? Absolutely, First and foremost, are you still in touch with that teacher who who who got you to question everything? Yeah? So I reached out to him, and I think as time kind of went by, he might have not remembered my name or just a general impact that he might have made. So I've reached out a couple of times and sent times some leaks links on some of the information that I've found that I think might be interesting to him, and
we kind of tried to keep a distant communication. He's a family man and he's still working as a as a school teacher, so sometimes it can be hard, which is understandable. Yeah. Absolutely. I guess he's been doing it at a while because you've been out of school for I guess fourteen years or so. Yeah, Yeah, it's been quite some time. What was the first real rabbit hole that got your attention and really got you to start to question your history books. That's a great one when it came to the
history of World Wars. That's what kind of influenced me right from the bat. There was a lot of skepticism and speculation in my family that we might be related to Rudolph hess and it kind of The first book that I bought regarding the situation or sorry, regarding the topic was Jim Ars Rule by Secrecy. It what a great author and amazing, amazing, and it really highlighted a lot of the unknown history of the World Wars and the interconnectedness between a
lot of corporation, sorry, corporations, and military pharmaceuticals. What we think is connected now is probably behind closed doors, something similar to what they had in the nineteen forties. And another one that I started reading of his was Rise or the Fourth Rich So it kind of h led me down this rabbit hole of understanding more of this interconnectedness between government and it into my ongoing skepticism
and questioning of the government. Regardless, I was never a huge fan of authority since I was younger, and I guess maybe that animosity towards authority kind of fueled some of the seeking of truth. Yeah, you know, now that you mentioned that in retrospect, I think a lot of people, and
including myself, we don't follow the narrative. You know, there's those famous Nimes with the you know, the highway and then the off ramp, and you know, so many people choose to go down just to stay on the highway to to you know, stay with the narrative and not to question it. You know, I remember being a young man in school a lot of times you didn't want to raise your hand because you felt like you were being stupid if you were asking questions. That's just one of those things as a
child. But you know, you're right, m Questioning authority and just not accepting things at wholesale without researching it is really a dying life skill, and a lot of it goes back. A lot of it goes back to again the education system that we have in place right now, which is again I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but to memorize and regurgitate instead of saying, here's a problem, figure it out. And write it out instead of just multiple choice and things like that. That has made us, you
know, lazy. Critical thinking is a dying, dying thing. It is unfortunate. Um yeah, I think like many of your own guests that you've had on previously, I found myself being similar to what they call a black sheep in the family, where you know you're the only one that does think like this and you have questions that maybe your your family members don't ever ponder. And yeah, it's it's I'm lucky to have the friends that I have and they've kind of been able to see the world and question it with me.
And it's a blessing because school, i think, is when you really dig deep intoto it, you really find out what it really whatever really means. It's an indoctrination camp. And I know members of that that you've had on previously have mentioned the same thing. It's it's a deep rabbit hole when you really when you really go to examine it. Indeed, and before we get too far, I should mention I've actually had I do a classic audio series once a week on my other podcast, and I'll drop some old audios,
a lot of Bill Cooper stuff. But I've I've done quite a few episodes of Jim Mars. I highly recommend the book you mentioned, The Rise of the Fork Rice, I'm sorry, the Rise of the Fourth Reich. In the late eighties, he came out with Crossfire, which is a tremendous book about the assassination of JFK. But interesting enough, the book that came out right about the same time he died was The Illuminati, which literally came out the year he died. So for folks looking for some eating materials,
please I urge you seek him out. He's a tremendous writer. Um. You had mentioned before we kicked off the show that you had actually reached out to some of the previous guests and that that is really m That makes me real happy that the community has actually come together people go to that show description and actually take the time to email folks. What has that interaction been like for you. Well, I gotta start off by saying, I can't thank
you enough for the community that you've been able to help create. It's amazing. I've reached out to a couple of past guests. Sarah was one of them, or sorry, Megan, and you know she helped with just a lot of the mental stresses that you go through when when you do just start to discover this, and you know, you look out at the at the real world when you're doing things like driving and listening to your podcast, and it really does hit home what this really means, and it can be overwhelming
for a lot of people. And to hear what she had gone through, because I remember she referenced how it funked throughout for months, and that's kind of where I felt was, you know, I need to reach out to someone who is a part of this community that I adore so much and seek
advice and seek some strength. And she was very willing and open with the conversation, and she was just as pleased as you are, because again, it means so much for a lot of people just to have someone that is on the same level of thinking as them, but also you know they've questioned that same thought where it's am I fucking going crazy? And they're there to also say, hey, no, I've had these same same thoughts too, and I'm here for any type of support, and she really was. She
was very supportive. So I can't thank her enough. It's been wonderful. Like I said, you're the community that you've been able to create. It's very supportive and loving. That's awesome, And I think there's a lot of people out there who can resonate with your message because I get those kind of
emails all the time. We in a way, I guess, the further down the rabbit hole you get on some of these things, the further away you get from you know, I hate to use the term, but to you know, they call them the normies, right, And it is like today, I had a lunch with a friend and a family member and they were talking about random things, and I so much just wanted to start talking about different things, you know, flat Earth and other type of things.
But if if I even try, I know that the audience I had, And that's the other thing. I got to kind of read your audience, and I guess pick and choose when the opportune time was. But you can just feel that it would just it's I don't think people understand the importance of and I guess that's what trying to word it without sounding because I don't like to sound like we have the special knowledge because I don't mean it like that.
But I just don't think that people really understand the importance of and the levity of the truth and how big the lie is. And I didn't and again until I finally put my guard down, and like you, I went into just disprove the silly flat earth thing. Once you realize the magnitude of the lie and the importance of it, how evil it is, you really it hits go ahead, It really does hit home, and it's it's like a previous guy said, it feels personal, and you know, it's it's
something that is unfortunate. You know. I've taken in almost a disliking now to some of the things I used to love, like sports, because I don't see I see this veil. It's that partial veil that's been lifted for us. I think where it's similar to what Manly P. Hall said, Yes, the veil of lifting will once you realize the symbols, the veil
will be lifted for humanity. And I think the world is made as a business very similar to what is mentioned on the network, and people I think are scared perhaps to realize this truth and realize that there might be some sort of judgment for them and their life. And you know, I think one of the biggest things is I think people might think that they wasted their life not knowing this, and I think it is that depressive state where people are
happy with their reality and they don't want it to change. But it's it's like many believe it's similar to the matrix, and they've created this illusionary world for us where Lucifer runs the show. And when you start diving into that sort of conspiracy side, it gets dark. But it's it's good understanding to really understand that this is a spiritual war and people it is hard for them to want to think of religion as something that might actually be real or something
that might have actually happened in the past. And we've contrived a world where materialism runs the show and it dominates unfortunately, and again they use the media, they use Hollywood to reinforce these things. All all these ads are based on materialism. Even back to the eighties when I was in high school. I mean, Madonna was a material girl and she lived in material world.
These things are reinforced through music, through Hollywood, and through the media, and it's it's it's like you mentioned you got to know your audience, and I've understood that you know you can't be that guy just on the street corner with signed saying you've been lied to, because yeah, there's no justice unfortunately.
I think the easiest thing is, you know, I've gotten a lot of ice from you just listening to your show over the last little while, and I think one of the easiest things is to just plant a small seed and offer that word of wisdom where it's listened to everyone, and then come to your own conclusion after. And you know, you know as well as I do that you really can't push this on people. It's something I think
they have to stumble upon. If they're willing to seek truth, if they question the world is much, especially with what's going on, then maybe they might lead them down this path themselves. And I'm always there to support anyone that has questions with this, because you know, this is something that I've been researching and learning about for probably sixteen years and just a never ending rabbit hole. And people have a lot of questions and it's hard to find those
answers. But like I said, a lot of people, some of them just don't want to question. But there is a lot of guiding light in this world. And I am very hopeful. I'm very hopeful that a lot of people are questioning. I know you've said many times, Yeah, they overplayed their hand with COVID, and I can't agree more. They definitely fucked up. And a lot of people are questioning this world. And I think there's a reason why censorship bills are going to be passed, and there's a
reason why they're using flat earth as an example. Absolutely there. And everybody's hero down in Florida De Santis just past HB two sixty nine, which you know, you know, everybody that used to be the champion on the right you can go to now. You can go to prison for five years if you question some of the events of World War two. And that's right here in the United States now, so you can add that to the list of
the countries around the world that you're not allowed to question. And again, like Voltaire said, if you want to know who runs things, find out you're not allowed to talk about. But we'll save that for another day now. You had mentioned just a few minutes ago that a lot of people they don't want to look into the truth because they'll realize that much of their life is a lie. Fortunately for you, I mean, you're in your early thirties, so you know, comparative to many other folks, you know,
that's that's fairly early in your life. But I guess you can talk about when did you what did it take, where did you hear about the flat Earth? And what made you finally let your guard down to look into this. That's a great question. So, like I said earlier, you know, I was one of those people that really just did not bother thinking that it was even relevant. You know, I've had a lot of discussions with friends where they bring up Flat Earth Society and willingly mock it, and I
was one of them too, because you just think it's nonsense. And what really took me down that rabbit hole was learning about NASA and the demonic symbols behind it, and you start going through the occultism and the esoteric knowledge and kind of the symbolism behind it, and then the amount of cover ups. Obviously one of the biggest ones was Admiral Richardy bird Bird, and you started learning about him, but it's all mainstream references to UFOs, but it's I
think there's a deeper story behind that. And when you started mentioning Captain Cook I also started looking into that a lot of a lot of previous things that I might have dismissed became very apparent when you start aligning all of this with the Bible, and I hadn't reached that point when I first started kind of diving into it. I was along the ideas of that it was possible, and that Jesus in Christ and the story of the Bible might have been relevant,
but it might have all been allegorical. It might have been a story of a story. And as I got deeper into just learning about NASA and how this is all being covered up, it hit me like a like a ton of bricks, and you know, you you find that relationship with God pretty fucking fast, sorry for my language, and it scares you almost And again when you start looking at the natural world around you and you look at
the sun through the clouds and you see the rays coming down. That was one of the biggest things I still remember to this day driving to work and I think I was probably in the first week of listening to your podcast, and I almost almost had to pull over. It was just a very emotional drive and started bawling because again, you realize that so much of the information that's been presented has been skewed, and when you start really just seeing with
your own eyes, it really makes all the difference. But it took a long time for me to see that. I'm thirty two now and I've only come to this realization probably in the last six months, and a lot of it was led from I kind of think it was my last conspiracy to really go after I was able to look at a bunch of videos from David Weiss and bought a couple of books, started looking over the flight path emergency landings, and it was very, very easy to make the conclusion of what we
are what we are on. I kind of had this belief that we were in a realm, and that again you've mentioned it, the media kind of tells you this through a lot of the movies and imagery that they show, And I remember having a conversation with my brother and just asking him, do you think it's odd that in thor they say like Earth is a realm?
And it kind of just kept on spewing those same questions in my mind and fueling this idea that if this is really real, life is one of the most divine things in the world and that we really are here from God, by the grace of God, and this life matters. Every life matters, and that's why you just want to be that guy on the corner with science saying you've been lied to that this is, this is, but again it's it's a realization for you, and it was. It was a beautiful one.
I will say that that's amazing. And I know I've mentioned this before, and we all have limited resources that includes both money and time, and I've said many times that sometimes less is more. I've seen people kind of out there with the megaphones doing their things, and I always have the utmost, you know, add a boy for those people to act. Because you talk about going outside of your comfort zone. I've done that once or twice in my life. And I did a one story COVID, and I think
I mentioned this before. I think I was more intimidated out there doing that than I was walking down the streets of Baghdad at some point. It was very intimidating. It is getting outside of your comfort zone. But to have that much conviction and stand up in front of complete strangers and give your testimony and say, look, you're you've been lying to is amazing to me. But in this particular situation, I've been really thinking and praying on how to
go about this. I think the smartest way to do it again, it's about resources. I'd love to come up with a very because if you give them a card or a pamphlet that says the Earth is flat, they're going to ball it up and throw it in the trash. However, if you if you're very careful about it, and you word it, do you want to know the truth? And then just a website you know, and not even you know. It could be seek the truth dot com. And I'm
just spitballing here right now. I'm just spinning in my brain. That would be more intriguing. There's probably a more a greater chance that the person's going to sit down on their phone and go to the website, and then if you can lure them in with a catchy it's got to be a short two minute video, and then the more they scroll down, the more information they get. I think that's probably what I'm going to end up doing as far as trying to get the word out about that, because I do believe less
is more. I think that's an absolutely great idea. I mean, I know that if because so much has been hidden it it's it's going to be a central shock. But if you can kind of take their hand with them and lead them through, and you know, if if if it just takes uh one question and a possible couple answers in a short two minute video, then at least again that that could be the seed that just makes them continue and keeps on going through the website. There's there's an ever ever amount of
information and knowledge that that truly has been hidden from us. And I think I think it is worth doing that because it's I think it's just one way that you can help and I think that's amazing. Let's let's talk a little bit more about your awakening. Um, was there a certain piece of evidence like was it the firmament? What was it flight pass? What was there a certain piece of information that you kind of like, yep, but we're definitely not on a ball. Well, I know that I started going through
map and I know that there's been one that's come out recently. The astrolabe and the moon maps have a very similar kind of inkling of information from each one. They're very very similar, and the maps was really what kind of took it over for me initially to start when when I started digging into this flat earth, I originally started with learning about the history that might have been
stolen from us, and maps were one of them. So the more that I was digging down this rabbit hole of what really is our past and you know, is it tartaria, is it antiquitech, it just led me down this map finding route where it just seemed like all the maps from the past were completely different, and there was different lands, and some of them there was no ice, and most of them were in a flat earth depiction, most of them were in a in a round ball and it just made me
keep questioning, like was this a common knowledge back in the day. You start learning about the education system and how it was taken over and how in the early schooling of the eighteen sixties to forties or sorry sixties to nineteen twenty eight ish, it was very very common to be talking about flat earth and
it was generic. It was almost very well known. And then when when I started going down part of the religious side, you start seeing the cosmology of every past culture and it's all the same, It's all the same. The firmament. I remember the GoPro video or starting not the gop or the rocket, Oh yeah, the go fast rocket. Yeah. I questioned that right off the bat, but when I showed it to my friend, his
immediate skepticism of it made me want to inquire more. And then you start looking at old Britanica encyclopedias with properly coordinates and heights, and it like, like I said, it falls in place very very quick. And um, there's a lot, there's a lot. Uh sorry, I'm just kind of going through a couple of my notes here. Uh no, no worries. Can I ask you a question because I do recall in your email, UM that you had mentioned that you've been gone down the Tataria rabbit hole? What
are your thoughts on that? Are you able to expand on that and kind of explain it to our listeners? Um? What that? What that's all about? So luckily there was a couple of YouTube channels that I found that described what these bills things might be and how it might have coincided with christ millennial reign and this mishmashing of the Bible and the New Testament and the Old
Testament. And when I started going into Tartaria, it started kind of maybe dawning on me that time and history have been completely relinquished from us and been taken over. And all of these buildings, I think might have been built at a time where Christ's millennial reign had happened and there was a thousand years of prosper for every nation, and that's I think that's the ability and timeline
on how these buildings had the ability to even be developed. You know, if a far history shows that every nation was always warring, then how could any of these buildings even have been built without being immediately demolished or taken over or the whole history of our history really made me question everything that might have been And when I really stumbled into there was an author named Anatoli Fremenko.
He was a Russian mathematician, a genius as far as many people were concerned, and he started correlating all these history gaps and phantom timelines where it seemed like the history that was told by the Jesuits was like a repeating one same name, same dates, same groups of families were always conquering and taking over
compared to the story that they were creating. And it made me believe that we are truly divine and that we've experienced this fall from grace and there was luckily another YouTube channel showed him out Mind Unveiled and he kind of helped draw the lines about why we have previous maps that have Atlantis and that the history of humanity is something something that has been heavily erased and scrubbed. It was.
It was overwhelming, to say the least, because it was something similar to my my recent one with learning about flat Earth and realizing that this was true, was that maybe we're we really are divine and that episode about learning about the Old World and possible antiquitech and everything that has happened since it makes
me maybe just keep questioning history. Um, you start learning about how the Mud, the Mud flood might have been more recent, and then it coincides with possibly Noah's flood, and it just kept on rolling the ball of all these questions like where are we what timeline are we really in? And I don't I to be honest, I don't think that we are in twenty twenty three. I think there really was a thousand years. I added, that's interesting. And by the way, while you were you're talking and again thanks
for sharing that great knowledge. I did find that mind Unveiled YouTube channel, and I'll be sure to drop that in the show description. It looks like he has about a quarter of a million subscribers, so obviously he's doing something right. He looks like he talks about the mud floods. He also talks about totteria alternative health, and he's got a wide for even music in four thirty two, which is interesting. I know a lot of people look for
that for positivity. That's pretty cool. I subscribed, and again i'll share that in the show description. Did you find when you were researching? Because Admiral Bird when you first find out about it, it's fascinating, But I think it becomes pretty obvious that they embellish the story itself to kind of as they always do, throw us a curveball and get us looking away at something
else. M No, I can't agree more. It's I think that a lot of these people that are put on the public scene or in front of cameras are potentially bought out in the end, or actors playing a role unfortunately. I think maybe he was used for a purpose that maybe helped to create treaties perhaps, and he might have had a purpose aside from telling that smidgeon
of truth to a massive amount of lies. That's a great observation. I do want to ask you while we're while we're here, what are your thoughts on you know, whether it's a Bill Gates or the guy who runs SpaceX Elon Musk and Werner von Braun. Do you think their stories were organic or do you think they are again actors on the world stage, And if so, do you think it's a bloodline thing or do you think it's a secret
society type of deal. I do think it is a bloodline thing. There was a guess that you had on that talked about like serpent bloodlines, and I think he related it to Hillary Clinton. And again I look back to one of the best piece of evidence where there was I think an eleven year old girl who tied all the previous president as cousins. Yea and yeah,
I think she was in grade four. And I do think that somehow these people are preserving their bloodlines and that they are possibly Cananite in blood and origin. And I think it all goes back to Babylon. Absolutely couldn't agree more how much of the things they tell us like how far do your conspiracies go? Like for me, I even won up the flat earth theory. I'm starting to believe in my old age. And I think actually David Weiss was the one that kind of mentioned it when I talked to him a couple of
years ago, that about the hopes of nuclear weapons as their portrayed. Obviously there's large bombs and also satellites, and it's very interesting. You've seen I think two in the last two or three months, these spy satellites and balloons, and nobody's blinked an eye and thought about trying to connect what they tell
us our satellites and satellons. What are your thoughts on that. I remember on Instagram when that was first revolving and a lot of people were kind of going with the media storyline line of it, where yeah, no, that's just a spy balloon, and I'm like, look what it's carrying. It's carrying a satellite. Like it's the same thing, Like if you were to take a photo of what a satellite looks like in space, put that on
a balloon. You're looking at that right now, And when it comes to uh, sorry, what was your first Uh, it was satellites in the nukes. Oh yeah, No, that was a beautiful So I think you referenced one of um uh seven. There was an episode I can't remember exactly, UM seven seven the Crow familiar Yeah, Crow, triple seven. Yes, so, uh you referenced it in one of your previous episodes. So
I went and listened to one of theirs and it was overwhelming. Um. You know there there was a great podcast also, great Deception, who really went through a lot of the fires of the old world and compared them to things like Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and I think the same techniques were used. Um. I've also I've also questioned why is every single nuke always equivalent to TNT And it makes me it stands to reason that maybe TNT bombs are potentially
the only thing that we actually can make. And you hear all these stories about the beginnings of some of these foundations that were nuclear based, and I think it was a scare tacticum, very similar to what you've referenced in the past with the h What was it with the radio broadcast where they yes, yes, And I think it's I think they've mastered the ability to confuse people and hypnotize them and put thoughts in their own head. So it doesn't I
don't put it past them. M Yeah, it is interesting when you get into the psychology of it. There's a couple of books that I have about just mass hypnosis and psychology of the masses. And I mean one of the authors, I think his name is Gustan Gustav Labon. His book was essentially used by the Nazis, they say, and it's it's very interesting when you see all these techniques that Sigmund Freud's nephew Burney's was able to implement into daily
advertising, and it is quite quite impressive. But it is conniving and deceitful at heart, indeed, And it's interesting whether it be NASA with our tax money or Netflix with our subscription money they use because look, you work to earn money and part of that goes into taxes to be deceived by NASA. And then everybody likes to, you know, after a hard day's work, have a have a meal with your family. You want to put your feet up and you know, forget about your hard day. And it's it's interesting
when you really after you've waken up and you have time to reflect. It's interesting how you you basically, um, you what's the word I'm looking for here? You? Um, you're basically paying your slave master to deceive you. Right, Um, it's it's um. You just shake your head. And that was one of the things when again nine to eleven and all these
things were a bit of a punch in the stomach. But when you realize that the world, you know, that we're not on a ball, and how big the lie is, it's just like you said, it was really overwhelming. I remember walking out of that house. I was living over across the way from Dover Air Force Base, and I just started walking and I ended up like near a crick like almost a mile away from the house. It's just, you know, waking up is a powerful process. It's very
emotional. There's highs and there's lows. There's kind of a release of breaking the change of being free. Not to be too dramatic, but that's really what it is. You're you're you're breaking the change of Satan and his deceive. The word deceive appears in the Bible I think sixty seven times, and you know, he spent a lot of time. I think the story goes. Jesus went to the desert to fast forty days forty knights, and Satan
appeared three times to tempt him. It's like, hey, if you're truly the son of God just turned those rocks into you know, loaves of bread and neat, imagine what he does to us on a daily basis. There has only been one person in this entire you know, six or seven thousand years that the earth has been here, not four point five four billion like they like to tell us. That has been perfect. And they have done a tremendous job. And they have powerful tools which they didn't have so much
back in the day. But the printing press they use that when it became popular to mold people's minds. And then radio, and now they have TV and social media. So and you see, I don't like to use the word, but I call them zombies. They just walk around with their cell phone in front of them, doing everything but looking for the truth. It can be overwhelming. I will say that, you know, I am, like I said, I'm the only one in my family that thinks like this.
And I have a father that love CNN and is not interested in any of this type of questioning. But again, when you do have that realization that there is a real purpose for your life, you find that you just want to share this joy and love with everyone. The best, the best thing that I think is to possibly do is there's a saying that I use, and it's love every day and every day afterwards. And I think just that simple message to yourself is something that can easily help to change the world.
All it does is do something small, but a small scale effect can be utilized and multiplied, and I think that it gives you more purpose to want to share in all the beautiful moments that you have. It's this realization that you're alive, you're here for a reason, and you're here for a
reason because God made you strong enough. And maybe this realization that some people are having is enough to create a bigger wave in the ocean than we could have thought, because more people and more people and more people keep questioning why is there so much censorship, Why are they doing this? Why are they trying to ban guns? They lost a lot of time and they're trying to utilize this as fast as they can. My belief is that we're in the
middle of Seaton's short season. That's a great observation. I usually try to ask all my guests, was COVID? How did that affect your life? Is that something you saw through early on? And again that was also you know, we talk about flut earth being a divisive topic, but COVID was one of the most divisive topics amongst families over the last three years. You know, are you vaccinated? Are you vaccinated? Keep your distance and all
these type of things. Is that something that affected your life heavily. I had two other friends that I talked to about this very early on, and I knew it as a play in one of their playbooks of multiple playbooks for the New World Order. I was lucky enough to continue working through all the shutdowns. I was a construction worker. I do HVAC and Calgary was building a new cancer center, so we had to do testing, wearing masks,
physical distancing. There was a whole lot to go through just to continue working. But luckily they didn't have to do any type of mandated vaccinations or force vaccinations. But I was the only one in my family that was really understanding of what this was, and everyone in my family decided to get vaccinated outcast an alienation became almost common for me. It was unsettling to say the most, because you know, these are the people you love, and obviously they
think they're doing the right thing. But I've always had this distrust for government, so I didn't think that this was a smart idea. Vaccination was something that kind of worried me because this new technology was not tested properly. There's a lot of questioning right off the bat. COVID seemed like an amazing psychological test to just see how how well will these people become obedient. It was unsettling to see my city, Calgary. They did everything that they could do
pretty much halt real life, normal life for anyone. It was. It was scary because you really see the overreach of government, especially at a municipal level. You see the potential corruption between healthcare and government, which was very evident with Alberta healthcare systems. Yeah, it was a mental It was a mental strain for sure. There was a lot of sticking to my guns and being confident in what I believed in, and it was upsetting to a lot
of my family members. It was a conversation between my brothers where they expressed their dismay to my beliefs or thought that what I was thinking was just dumb and that this could never happen. But I kept referencing that, Man, I've been talking about this for like fifteen years now, you know, I've
told you guys about New World Order. I had a brother that introduced me to the idea of a one world government because he read it from the Bible when he was younger, and it influenced that scary thought of oh my god, this all might be real and they might be trying to make their push. Early on in Calgary when COVID, you know, we had a couple of cases. I don't think many deaths were happening, but the whole city
was on lockdown and it was hard just to drive around. And again, best friends were able to just meet up and talk and theorize about what this is and what a potential plan might be. And it wasn't too hard for four hour conversations in a truck to happen, just because again, I think we've seen through so many lies as we grew up, and we questioned so many events that once this happened, it was hard not to kind of see where the plan was going. But we anticipated it and we just held strong
with our beliefs. I still remained unvaccinated, and I'm very grateful because I know that right now there's a lot of people that have vaccine regrets and it is unfortunate. I think it was deceitful, and I think again it opened up a lot of people's eyes to what this really was and questioned government the same way that I have. So it is a small win, and I hope people are able to find help and support through that because there's a lot
of injuries that have happened since. And you know, I always look back to some of those videos where you know there's people in nursing homes and their children are there to visit and they're behind glass, and it's it's heartbreaking, it really is, because humanity and humility were all removed in one night,
and you really start to understand how easily people can be manipulated. And again when you when you're able to see kind of the tactics and the techniques being used, it's very easy to see through and and be a bit more understanding to what was happening. But again, it came with a lot of alienation
and upset conversations between my family members unfortunately. Yeah, and you had mentioned, you know, there's some folks out there with vaccine regret now in retrospect, you know here and we're almost halfway through twenty twenty three, has any your family members kind of digressed a little bit and said, Hey, maybe you were right. There has not been an admission or anything. I'm not
I put no expectations on that. I think if there is going to be a realization, it's not going to be something that I do want to hear from them. I want them to be true with themselves. I don't want them to be apologetic to me. I just I understand the stresses that they were going through it. And the biggest thing is is that people like you and me, we see the world in a different way. And I don't
I don't think that it's anything bad. But you also can't blame the other people for the way that they see the world and how they also reacted. Fear was used and it was the greatest weapon, unfortunately, and I just made sure not to succumb to it. And that's what they do. That's
the term I ears I use. It's a fear based mind control and it's um you know they put whether it's visual like nine to eleven or you know, they were very smart because if you remember, they started planning those seeds in like January of twenty twenty, they were showing these very brief clips from China, people just collapsing in the streets and you saw a couple of body bags. And then of course they brought up the ships into the New York
Harbor. You know, we've got this Navy medical ship here because there's gonna be so many people sick. So you know, fear is one of the most powerful tools. And once again you had mentioned it earlier that the War of the World's episode. I think they were like, wow, people will buy anything if you tell them. And I think that's what we saw over the last few years and kind of getting back into the flat Earth. It's been said for quite a long time. I think it started when a project
Blue Beam became public and then everybody plays the clip from Ronald Reagan. You know, if there would be just one event that would unite the world, it would be something from another you know, another world. So they're planning these seeds. What are your what are your thoughts on that? Well? I remember I started looking into that pretty early when I first heard about it.
I can't remember the gentleman's name, but he was the one that first exposed this to the world, and then he was shortly killed shortly after unfortunately. But most of the time when you do search up Project Bluebeam, his name is the one that comes up. And when I really started looking into it, and that the fact that they had plans to use it during the recent invad or the last invasion after nine to eleven, you start kind of
seeing. And also there's the admission of Renard von Braun on his deathbed saying, you know, don't fall for the fake alien war. I think that they have multiple tricks up their sleeve. I think I think it's an Yeah, the spraying the skies that we see are them trying to essentially create a hologram screen or like a backdrop in the sky so that they do have the ability to display whatever they would like. And it could be the fake second
coming of Jesus. It could be. My recent thought was maybe they could use it as a backdrop for a comet and then blow up something as a result of it. There's so many possible scenarios. I've heard that the Phoenix Lights that happened in the nineties, I believe was their first test of a hologram simulation. And I can't remember who I heard if I've heard it through
a couple different videos just surfing the web and whatnot. But he starts questioning, like can they project this in the air from like a plane, Like what possibilities do they have? I think that the fake alien war could easily be one because the thing that worries me the most is that they had the
ability to control the weather. And I think that if they were able to use this scenario where archaeological discoveries have been found that dispute religion, then they could also create this fake alien maybe not invasion but welcoming, we've returned kind of thing, we are your gods. And then this belief that space continues and it might be a possible Satanic plot, and it it really has so many possible scenarios. Just I mean, you can really use your imagination for
anything. Made a couple interesting points, and I always say that they use Hollywood to kind of mold people's minds. I think that would be a great amount of people that would be excited for something like that. To happen. You see, I was listening to somebody the other days. Is kind off point for a second, but he had mentioned that people will stand in line for Star Wars movies and things like that for hours on end and then sit
through a three hour movie. But when they're in church on Sunday, you know, once they go past an hour, people start looking at their watches. But I think a lot of people would be excited about that type of thing, right, I think that you're absolutely right. I think they love the idea of space. I think that's one of the easiest reasons why people believe in NASA, even you know, there's a lot of Christians believe solely in the Bible, but have faith in NASA that there's a solar system and
that. So it's this combining of mixing of cosmologies and religion where I think that they have that upper hand where they been able to create this excitement in case they do find life or if life comes here, but we don't really know what potential that may bring. That's the only unfortunate thing. I don't believe in the idea of space. I don't believe in the idea of aliens. I think If anything, it might be the extra terrestrials from potentially worlds
outside our firmament. I think there might be multiple firmaments. But the thing that I think a lot of people need to realize is that we really can't know what we're on. I don't think we really do. And once you really start from that level grounds, it's a bit easier to kind of question
and think about the possibilities of a flat earth more than a ball. And that was actually my next question to you was do you think there is land, whether it be within our firmament here or the you know, Antarctica, or outside. So I can completely agree with the media telling you everything. I recently, I haven't gotten into Game of Thrones, but I know that there's that whole basis of like a frozen or like the winter, the winter, the Winter's coming, and I think that, yeah, there might be
essentially something similar to the moon map. More than anything, I think that there is more land outside. But I think that right now, because of the way that we're rotating in this firmament, we have a warm section of land that we're all living on, and there is a subsection of land that is possibly colder. Further off into Antarctica, but it really is hard to
say. Again, there's a there's been a couple Instagram videos and hypothesis that there's multiple different ponds and that's where we get all these names of planets like Mars, Land of Mars, not Narnie out the You know, you have all these planetary bodies that are actually just pawns like ours, and I think
that there might be multiple firmaments. I mean, I recently just saw this random thing on Instagram where it was the Simpsons driving away from their city as fast as they can, and then they end up going into another city, but it's Bob's Burgers, and as they zoom out, you know, you'll see like the head of Bender as a firmament, and then Homer's head as
a firmament, and then like south Park Cartman's head as a firmament. So all you see all these like little odd firmaments around and I think again it's one of those like karmic things that they have to do. They have to tell you the truth because they know the rules of the natural world. So media plays a huge part in this. You always bring up how they always have like a globe everywhere. Yes, and I remember seeing a clip from
nineteen twenty seven. It was Universal's first photo and like a first budget movie, and they had the exact replica of the Earth that NASA uses, but it was twenty some odd years, thirty some odd years before NASA was even created. That's right. I just pulled it up now. It's ridiculous, and it shows a plane flying around the globe. It's that symbolism, man.
I think. I think the biggest thing that's going to be their biggest downfall is once people start seeing this type of symbolism and correlating it, then I think you're going to see this ushering of a change of thinking and consciousness around the world. I think there's enough of people asking questions since COVID where they're starting to look for those symbols. No, it's interesting. I think it was either yesterday or today. I was listening to Josh from the Founded
Earth Brothers. He was on I think back in February. Maybe he interviewed I think it was recent. I know sometimes people replace some of their older things, but he interviewed a pilot and the guy was like, and I had mentioned this a long time ago that in the Army technical manual. I was in a Blackhawk unit. We had UH sixties Blackhawks, and the technical manual said, you know, treat the earth is flattened, non rotational.
Again, you don't think about these type of things, or oh, that's interesting, and then you start thinking about, well, if you're coming in east to west, or i should say from north to south. Right, Let's say you're flying from Boston to Philly and the globe is spinning at a thousand miles an hour, how are you able to land? Right? But the other interesting point he made was he's like, when I'm a pilot,
we're constantly having to tip the knows up more than anything. And if you were flying on a globe, you would be having to constantly tip the nose down. And then of course your scientism folks will talk about them my gravity, you know all this that and the other thing magnetism. Yeah there, you know, I'm a firm believer that this is a magnetic realm that we live in and positive in the air and negative in the ground, and that's
why grounding works, and that's why stuff falls. And it's a magnetic attraction with density. That's right, And Kat, who's actually we're doing her interview Saturday afternoon. I think it'll be released Sunday night. She's very brilliant with that side of the house, with magnetism, etc. And Um, I think more and more I think about that and read into it one d that's exactly what's going on. But they want you to believe once again that none
of it makes sense. And the more you think about it, you look at the globe and it's just like, it's ridiculous. And even you know, I've had people who had I've spoken to people who have done tours in Antarctica. Um, I mean they have plumbers down there, they have um Commo people down there, they have cooks down there. I mean it's a regular installation. They have all kinds of occupations, and they're like, I never felt like blood was rushing to my head. Um, we weren't definitely
upside down. And if you believe the globe, no matter what, if you're on Antarctica, you're you're you're you're upside down. There's no two ways about it. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but I mean, is there any other how how do they explain that to us? Oh? Man, it's just convoluted lies and fancy math at this point. Uh. Like I said, I think most of these people that are on these professional stages
are just that actors playing a role. And I think that's that's one of the explanations I think on why they the moon landing was so easily able to be faked was you know, they hire police, they hire firefighters at the staging ground. There might not have been anyone in the shuttle, but you know, all these cops and all these people that are on technical boards and they're on microphones doing countdowns. They're there to do their job. They're not
questioning if they're playing a role or not. They're just there to do their job. And I think it's similar to the Manhattan Project, where it's you dissect all these divisions and departments and convolute the information so no one really knows what the other person's doing, and it becomes very very easy at that point, I think, And by the way, I should I don't know if I've ever said this, I don't believe a person has ever been inside a
rocket. Well, I think you see, I'm I'm a little torn because obviously that the guys there's a video of um I guess it was the guys from Apollo eleven that we're using the window, you know, to to kind of make it look like a ball globe. It was around window when they were using that, But certainly I don't believe anybody was in the challenger. What are your thoughts on that? Um, you know, we're kind of creeping back into NASA, and I think I think it's I'll be quick with
this. I think a lot of those conspiracies about the people being alive still is absolutely true. I think we're if they were ever going to be doing a fake explosion, it will be with this next one, Artemis, And I don't think that the people will die. I think they're going to use this as a potential next way to do trauma based mind control. I think they're going to have like a Columbia Number two kind of thing coming up.
That's my prediction though. Yeah, I've had a few people tell me that, and I think a lot of it will have to do with the date, because they're very they're all about their numerology. I've said before, July twentieth, this is the two hundred and first day of the year, and that is the Jesuit's favorite number. That's why they absolutely event to A one,
which was the practice run for COVID. The number two A one is very big to them, and they mock us a lot too, like the what was the name of that astronaut back in the seventies and eighties, Sally Ride, I mean, come on, and then you had Neil A. Armstrong, you know, the A backwards with Neil is alien. There's a lot of mockery in these type of things. Well, that's the funny thing.
I remember when we were chatting about the nuclear bombs. One of the girl that was highlighted around that whole Crow seven seven seven podcast was Mary Curry I think was her name, And right off the bat, they're like, say Mary Curry three times and again it spells out Mercury if you say it
fast enough. And that was whole story that she was given in history, was that this girl essentially, I can't exactly remember the work with Mercury that you did with the Adam bomb, but it's that it's that word play, the word play and the word magic indeed, and it's funny. By the way, you guys should check out Sally Ride's story because again with the Mocria. When she entered UCLA, she enrolled in courses in quantum mechanics and Shakespeare, so she was an actor. I mean, it's right in front of
you. Oh yeah, can't make this stuff up. Um, it's interesting, it's very you can go down these rabbit holes all day. If you're given unlimited resources, um, and you know two weeks, which way would you re use the resources to um solidify your point on flat Earth? Would
it be? Um? Antarctica? Gee, there's quite a lot, um, because that's a hard question because the easiest thing for me was looking at the Sun. But it's hard to convince so many people about the Sun being ninety three million miles away, So I think that one might be off the table. So I think Antarctica would be the biggest one, just because you can reference so many political treaties and countries that are there to protect it, which might raise a couple of ebe grows. But um, yeah, that
that might be the easiest one, I think. Or flights, do a flight path with someone if you had unlimited amounts, say we're gonna go here and let them be a visual observer. Yeah, that's that might Yeah, that's and again a lot of people will say if because you said you were talking about the Earth being magnetized, um, why is it when they crossed
the south pole doesn't things flip? Well, yeah, that's a great question, right, And I think you know, I have the flat Earth app and one of the recent videos I think that was put out there was Dave with a compass and just the oddities of the magnetic abilities, where you know, if you think you're going east, you might actually be going south the
whole time, just because you're reading the compass wrong. But I think I think magnetism is something that has been not taught the way that it should have been, just for that reason, so that people don't make these connections the fact that we might have, you know, a six foot or around us of energy, magnetic energy that comes from our heart. That might be possible. But when you start learning about magnetism, you realize like, oh man,
this might actually be the world that we live in. And there's a lot of examples and experiments, but I think it's been made sure to not be taught in schools the way that we're supposed to learn about it. I think the same thing goes with ether. Tesla talked about it, but Einstein, I think, was there to rebute it. Yep, yep, another
actor on the world stage. It's interesting you had mentioned the six foot with the aura, right, somebody had mentioned that within the last two weeks offline, and they said, isn't it interesting that during COVID, what was the distance that you were supposed to keep away from people six feet apart? Six ft apart? And look how disconnected it seems that we've become as a society
over the last few years. Yeah. I think when it came to the perfect idea for a virus, it would be one that makes humans stop being human. And I think that was the whole plan, was disconnect us emotionally and in a physical sense too, like no holding hands kind of stuff, and it's like, well, it's an intimate connection, but also making sure to space. I think again, a lot of it was planned properly because I think the people that run this world they know the true powers of humans
and what we really are. And I think a lot of people have seen the movie They Live. But when I first started researching those types of lenses, the creator that created those spectacles was using it on fruits and humans and he kept on seeing that you could you could see auras and anything that's living.
By the way, A little secret, that's my favorite movie. I actually have one of the original movie posters from I think that movie cam On eighty seve or eighty eight, a great, great moving and a great um, you know, analogy for the world itself. Before he died, I don't know if you remember, but Roddy Piper tweeted that They Live was a documentary. He died shortly after that, which I find interesting. But yeah, that that number six appears a lot in our world. It's certainly out
there. And um, that is a great point you made, because I had heard somebody mentioned that within the last couple of weeks. Are like, isn't it interesting that you know, supposedly you have this area of six feet around you and they wanted you to stay six feet apart from each other?
And also interesting the level of fear porn. We have a German bakery in town, and um, I talked to the owner because I used to be stationed where he kind of around where he grew up in Germany, and he had said, post covid um, they used to sell a lot of birthday cakes but now people want cupcakes because they're they're afraid that if the child blows out the candles on the cake, that if the kids eat the cake, they're going to get sick. I mean, that's how brainwashed people have become
over this. I know, I still see, you know, going to the grocery store. The fear. Really, it really enveloped people's lives. Unfortunately. Again, I live in a pretty populated city. Calgary's home to about I think two and a half a million now, and you can still drive around the city and see people driving by themselves with masks on. Yeah, we see that all the time too. It's I mean, yeah, we live in a free country, so they tell us, and I'm not
going to tell anybody. I used to be very worked worked up when I would go past an elementary school when I was taking my walk or whatever, and the children would be outside eighty five degrees wearing a mask. It was hard not to say anything. But at the end of the day, you know, it's they're killing themselves, you know, breathe the fresh air. Dang it. That you have been a tremendous, tremendous interview. Was there a thing, as you had written down that we hadn't touched on yet.
Let's see here I got world fairs and interesting, Yeah, the world fairs is That's kind of the one point that I think if you were to show people the documented reality of the history that they tell us versus what the actual photos show, it might be something that might quickly waken people up. It
might be like a sensory overload. Unfortunately, because when you see some of these cities and some of these worldfairs that were put on, you start realizing, like, wow, every city that we live in was already inhabited and something happened, and it just makes you take that extra step and a bit more to questioning his story because it's not our story. Unfortunately, we've never called it that, and we're learning someone else's story that they want us to
be taught. Unfortunately. Another one was word Magic, and you know how you were referencing sources and stuff that you could add to a website if you were to bring one up. Yes, so there's a great book called Word Magic by Poo Chang, and they have he decided to write out twenty ways to save humanity. And I think, you know, if anyone listening is eager like me to try and spread the word or plant a seed. I think one of the easiest things you can do is just print off that list
and posted on a tree or somewhere where it can be seen. And it's just great useful tips to help people understand that words do have meaning. And like the Bible said, at first, there was the word, and when you start correlating as I have, with what the Bible really represents it, it's a beautiful thing. But that book alone has really helped me to just understand the words that they use to deceive you. And it's in everyday words,
every single day words, um, everything like weekend and library. Those are all words that are used against us, the English, the English language. If we truly knew it, we'd know how deceiving it really is. Wow, that's a very expensive book. I'm looking on Amazon. It's two hundred and thirty dollars. Yeah, it's uh. There should be some second edition ones that are a bit cheaper. Okay, yeah, yeah, I think I bought mine for about thirty bucks with shipping cheaper. It was.
It was recommended from the Great Deception. He's he's very inclined on trying to spread knowledge, aside from old world stuff, and he's one of my favorites next to your podcast, that's for sure. How much of this do they use against us? This word magic? Do you think it's in like the things we repeat a lot, like, say, because like being in school back in the day, you would say the pledge of allegiance and things like that. Do you think the word magic is in those type of things that
we repeat often? I think it's almost everywhere. Like I had this thought about chanting and what chanting might really be, and then you relate it to something like singing a psalm, and it's like, if it's a bad intent behind the word, maybe you're chanting something negative without knowing, but you're just singing. And I think that they've been able to corrupt a lot of the
words. Like there's a great artist. He's in old school nineties rappers, and he was Caress one and he's just all about knowledge, spreading knowledge. And one of the beginnings of one of his songs, there's like a little cut scene where a little peasant boy runs into the Emperor's room and he's like, we have a place to bury the lies and all the false history. He's like, what shall it be called He's like, it's a library.
Well, we'll bury the lies. Wow. And it's simple simple words like that, Yeah, that that have kind of been used against us unfortunately. Like I was driving to work today and I was like, what's the root of like weekend again? And I was like, all right, it's the week end of the deal? Work five days, get two days off the weekend of the deal? Is this all from that book that you read?
Uh? Part of it is I I've started assimilating and just breaking down words on basic levels because you get the week end of the deal, don't absolutely and and uh yeah, it's just really really interesting when you start like trying to break down the common words that everyone use and what the roots of them really might be. Um, there's a really great uh I think he's part of the Crow. But his name is Maxwell Egan. Yeah, and he has yeah he he I love his voice. Um. He has this amazing
video on YouTube called History is a Lie. And part of the stuff that I've learned about word magic was in that video. And uh yeah, when you start seeing all these like little small things where it's it's pretty revolutionary, you start kind of take down the veil and you start to see the world a little bit more for what it really is. And it's really interesting.
Like I must say, the people that are running show right now, I've got a compliment them because what they've done is it's mind blowing on it on a psychological level. But there is there is hope of breaking out of this trap. I want to help to be a reason for a better world, and I think a lot of people that are in this community feel the same way, to be honest, indeed, and it's interesting going back to what you were saying, I did a podcast on I'm not sure if you've you
know the Beatles Paul McCartney. There was a rumor story, conspiracy theory that he died in sixty six and whether or not they it actually happened very I think it was Sergeant Pepper's the video when he starts to play it right handed, he stops, he switches. But there's a lot of interesting things. But more important than that, there was a college I want to say Stanford. I could be wrong. This was This was a couple of years ago.
I'm just going off memory right now. That they I think they gave the people a questionnaire ask them would they buy this, would they buy that? So they said, hey, we're going to take a six or seven minute intermission. We're just I guess they gave him a coke or something. Said we're just going to play a song. We'll be back in five or six minutes. So they leave the room and they put on the beatles let it Be, and they noticed that people were sipping the coke and singing.
But what they're doing is they're chanting, let it be, Let it be, Let it be, Let it be. And of course a lot of these groups came out of I can't think of it right now, there was something house out of England that was responsible for a lot of the music from the sixties and seventies, and it's very interesting. So after the song was over, they came back and they asked them similar but not the same questions. They answered quite differently, like they were yeah, sure, I guess
I would buy that. You know. It was very interesting that they became more open minded and more vulnerable. Very interesting. Yeah. No. A great one that I saw when I was younger was it was like a black and white film that we were studying for social studies, and it was a
man enters an elevator, everyone's got their hats on. He takes off his hat and then within a couple of seconds everyone starts for moving it and then he puts it back on as he walks out, and people that are still in the elevator put it back on also, And it was just this power of suggestion, and you know, you break down how chanting might be the case with songs. It's in the same thing when it comes to the words
like programming and channel. So if you were to like channel an entity or an idea, there's a reason why it's on a TV is because that's how you channel it. Same thing with programming. It's TV programming, but it's programming, and it's these easy references that I think people have just I think
there's a lot of stuff to hypnotize people and make them not bored. Like I said, I think the world that we live in is designed to not ask questions and to not give you the free time to discuss the world around us. Indeed, and I will put I think I've put it in before in the show description, but when George Maxwell does his little speech about I think it was maritime admiral law, but he actually broke down the words like you know, words cut like a knife or like a sword, and the
word word is within sword. He did a tremendous job breaking that down as well. No, I'm actually really glad you included that in that episode because I was sitting in my truck waiting to go play golf when I when I decided to listen to that thirteen minutes and just thought it was super interesting.
And a friend of mine who kind of perked his ears up one day during conversation of word Magic, I sent him that that single podcast and with the time stamp, hey start listening from here it's really neat stuff on word Magic, and he ended up listening to the whole thing and it was completely by accident. I never really wanted him to listen to it, because I know he's not a flat earther. But it was a NASA episode. I think that you started it out with and you referenced how in one of the photos
that NASA uses you can see the squirrel. So of course he decides to look up the photo and confirms it, and it was an amazing, like little breakthrough for him where he was like, wow, NASA does lie. This is awesome. That is soluminal. You don't have to believe that because nasallise that the earth is flat. But if nasalized, then that proves it
nasalized. And that's objectional, right, Like you can't make the connection that because nasalized that the earth is flat, but a simple connection like, hey, nasalized, that's a great ground to break. It really is. Yeah. And speaking of books, if you guys really want to know how unorganic the music scene was in the sixties, urge everybody to read Dave McGowan Owen's
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon. All those the Grateful Dead, all those guys, their parents were all in the CIA, and they all came from the same area of California. Absolutely, even um the police, which is you know back in the eighties when I was in high school, that was they were my my guys. Stuart Copeland, who was the drummer, I believe his father was one of the founders of the USS, which came to be
obviously the CIA. So and again we I've said many times, you know, Jim Morrison's father was the Admiral of the USS Maddocks and I was just about to say, yeah, they had his son was playing the songs and the helicopters as the people were going toward exactly and again the coincidence jar gets too full. People. You need to pull back and realize that we're being
manipulated. And you know, I tell people, the biggest lie you can tell your child is if they work hard enough, they'll be president, because it's just not in the cards. No, unfortunately not. It's all select not elected. And you know, George Carlin says it best. They're in a club and you ain't in it. We've we've got about five minutes left. Um, so if there was anything else you wanted to touch on and then we'll certainly give you the final word as well. Uh no, I
just I just this was amazing, George. I can't thank you enough. This was something that I've been wanting to do since I first started listening to your podcast, And like I said, I can't thank you for what you've been able to do. And um, yeah, maybe if there's a couple of things that people do want to check out. John Levi was another YouTube channel. There you go, my wife's favorite. He's amazing. I do agree with the voice. You do have to kind of speed it up a
bit. It is a bit slow and daunting, but that is all right. That and he releases his videos on Sunday morning, and that's like you're you know, you kind of get up and then you get coffee. It's like we're exploring the unknown today. Come on, put it on one point five speed. But he's got I mean, he's got over a quarter of a million followers. Two. He does a great job. I think he's based out a Utah. Yeah, I think so too, And I think
I think he's gained a huge amount in recent times. I think Eddie Bravo definitely kept on getting him shout outs as Joe Rogan was yelling at him. Good. I'll be sure to put that in the show description too for the folks. I just pulled it up. Oh wicked stuff. Um yeah, if there's anything else, I would suggesss people that are continuously interested with this Old World as I was, Um, there's another channel called Old World Florida, and he he does a really great job. Some of his videos are
over an hour long, just because it's so in depth and investigatory. If there was anyone that was also just as confused or in the same state that I was in previously I heard you to listen to uh Megan's podcast with the flat Earth Podcast or sorry, with the flat Earth Files. It was a tremendous help. Um again, thank you for everything and thanks for having me. I really do appreciate it. Yeah, well, thank you and UM,
I'm meant to just confirm with you before the podcast. Is it cool we put your your email address in the show description so people if they wanted to reach out to you. Yeah. Absolutely. If I do have Instagram also, my profile is d A N M S y D and H Yeah, I feel free to reach out if anyone's curious or has any questions.
Could you run that by me one more time your Instagram? Yeah absolutely, d A N M S y D got you all right, So I got you followed and I will put that in the show description as well, so you guys can click on it and go right to his ig and again his email address will be there as well. Tremendous episode has always Thank everybody. This has been a lot of fun. Thanks Bernard early in the week. Everybody's just been tremendous and I'm glad to hear that people are reaching out to
our guests and finding like minded people. And again you can go to the flat Earth files dot com. You can jump in the chat room, or you can leave your thoughts in the forum, and people interact really well on the website. So again, thank you to everybody. Thank you Daniel so much for joining us today. Coming up in the next few days we have Kat joining us. She does a tremendous job. She's been on my other podcast. And then Sunday night I'll be interviewing Kevin. That will probably drop
midweek, probably Wednesday or Thursday. For Daniel, I am George. Thank you guys for joining us today. Have a wonderful weekend, and again, happy Mother's Day. God bless you all. Keep your head on a swivel, and until next time, my friends, we will see you.