M The following presentation is in al Marta Studios production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files and standing by we have another great guest for you to see. Evening. As we've record, it is Monday, May the eighth, that's just after seven pm Eastern time. And just a couple quick reminders before we bring in our guests this evening, please do send your emails to the flat earth Files
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all the other guests, will have his email in the show descriptions. So if Bernard's message resonates with you, which I think it will, you can reach out to him and you know, leave him your thoughts about tonight's podcast. Without any further ado, let's welcome Bernard to the program Sir, how are you doing tonight? I'm doing good. Well, it's really nice to have you on the show. And let's start off by, of course introducing
yourself to everyone a little bit about your background. May I'm still I'm currently employed with the Pulsist Service, married, three children, two grandchildren. Also pastor a church. Wow, so yeah, you pastor a church and you work full time at the post office. Yep, holy smoke, you are a busy, busy man. What's what's the size of your congregation right now? It's it's a small church, Okay, I mean, there's no such things as too small a church. Every every person counts. But still,
the message is every bit important. If you're talking to five people or five hundred rank that's right, that's right. Well, God bless you for all your hard work. And my dad was a career postal worker as well, and uh, he has some interesting stories. He actually this is sound of off topic, but when it comes up, I'd like to tell it. Back in I think it was the late seventies, he was, I don't know how long you've had your mail route, but back then they would have
their mail route for quite some time. He had had it for seven or eight years at the time, and he tended to know who worked it or who lived in certain houses. Well, he went to deliver to this certain house and he was he saw that the glass had been broken in basically the house was being robbed. When he shut up, and my dad was a pretty physically fit guy. He was in the military like I was. And
the guy tried to run away. My dad tackled him, called the cops, and on the the newspaper the next day that the story was the mailman delivers a krim or something like that. It was really cool, But I know, rain Shine, sleet Snow, you guys are always out there. So God bless you for your pastoring in the church and for what you do bringing the folks there their mail. Thank you so um you reached out.
Let me ask you this first, because you pastor a church, do you share this message because I do look a look at it as biblical cosmology or biblical truth, however you would like to put it. Is this something that you touch upon in your services. No, it's kind of like when you talked about your podcast having to do another podcast. Yes, sir, it's kind of one of those things, kind of key to myself because I don't want to scare anybody off. You know, my primary job as a pastor,
as a priest the gospel. And even though I believe the cosmology that I do, I don't think a lot of people are ready for that, and I'm not. I'm not willing to risk running somebody off because of it at this point, so that I have to wait. Yeah, and that is something that I haven't even really spoken too much about, because that is a It's a big leap, it really is, and that is something.
And again, shout out to the folks who run the media and Hollywood and the TV shows who have an education of course, who has able to um take the first chapter of genesis and make it um just kind of arbitrary. Would you agree with that? Yeah? Yeah, I mean even evolution, the whole, the whole nine yards, you know. But that's what we're
dealing with, indeed, that they want to trivialize God word. And that's when you go down the truth, when you're in the truth community, when you get down certain rabbit holes, a lot of it is done either to mock or to trivialize the word of God and Jesus Christ. So let's let's um talk a little bit. Because I asked you before you came on the program tonight. I was like, I had asked you if flat Earth was kind of the first rabbit hole that you came upon, and I'm really interested
to hear how you came upon that rabbit hole. But you did say that you came across nine to eleven before. How did that affect you spiritually, as as a person, as an American When you kind of realize that the official story of nine excuse me, of nine to eleven wasn't as described it was, it was shocking because I just I just assumed that everything I was told was correct. I had no reason, you know, until you have a reason not to believe the news. You're just going to believe the news.
You know, people have busy lize, you know, working passing the church, and most people are not just naturally just going to be looking for conspiracy. So I had no reason not to believe what I was told. And so when I saw the video, when I saw the plane, you know, I took it for what they said it was. And it wasn't until probably I don't recall the exact year, but as farllly somewhere around twenty sixteen or seventeen that my son mentioned that nine to eleven was not what it
appears to be something something to that effect. But I didn't, you know, I didn't think nothing about it, you know, I didn't believe it. And I really don't know how I found the first video. I mean, I think I was bored because I always like interesting stuff, whether it's UFOs or whatever, anything that's strange or friends. I've always enjoyed watching those kind of things, and so I don't know why I found a video on nine to eleven. I don't know if he referred me to one or what.
I can't remember exactly what the what the steps were for me to look at it. But I saw the first video I don't I don't even remember which one it was, but it led me to the one called Architects and Engineers for nine eleven Truth. You ever heard of that one? Yeah? And their website is tremendous by the way. Yeah. So I when I saw that, when I saw that it was over fifteen hundred, I believe
Architects and Engineers that said the towers should not have fallen. And I watched it and then I, you know, you realize the building seven had fell also, which I didn't know. And I watched every video I could about nine to eleven until I was just convinced that what we had been told was not the truth. And so that was that was shocking. But not only was it shocking, it also you know, I, you know, I kind of said to myself, Okay, what does this mean? And it
means a lot. But one of the couple of things that it means is it means the news. It's not the news because nobody was reporting the truth. Nobody, no, you know, this was this was years after the fact, and I hadn't heard any news reports so on the bombs or while the Building seven, and so it just it just let me know, the
news is not the news. You can't trust the news. H It also means that our government was willing to take the lives of innocent people, not only the ones that died on nine to eleven, but all of those in Afghanistan and Iraq, the civilians and the soldiers. So it just meant that our government could not be trusted. So it was just really a shock. It was a huge shock, and especially for me who had invested so much
time in the military and had lost friends over there. And then when you kind of I don't remember what the first one was either, there was so many of them, and my sniff test, if you will, has always been I think three coincidences and that's game over. You know, the fact that lucky Larry Silverstein just happened to take over the contracts in June, just
a couple of months before the fact that he up the insurance. George Bush's brother Marvin was in charge of secure Com, which was responsible for the security, uh you know, at Newark and Boston. And then you had the dancing Israel. I mean, the list. We could sit here until midnight and talk about all the Uh, the fallacies of nine to eleven. It's very hurtful. And at that point, there's there's several things that that want into me. Number one was and this is the question that I think correlates
with flat earth. I'm wondering, if you agree with me, is nobody would do something like that? Or why would they do something like that? Like? Why why the lie? That's the question I get emailed all the time, why would they lie? And we address it in a lot of these um, in a lot of these episodes, and you realize one of our recent guests, maybe it was on my other podcast, had mentioned that, uh, you know on the back of our bill, you know, a dollar bill, it's uh, you know, in God we trust?
But whose God do they really trust? Is it our god? Um? When you see things like the truth about nine to eleven Oklahoma City where ago they killed us sitting to us president in front of us, that really the day that really changed the trajectory of our country. M you know, you kind of you question a lot. Let me ask you this, if if the truth about nine eleven, if you wouldn't have come upon nine to eleven, would you been as willing to or open to accept flat Earth. That's
a good question. Maybe because like I said, I've always I love fringe topics, ancient history, ancient mysteries, and so just because of the fact that I love fringe kind of topics, I might have. But after nine eleven, man, anything was possible. After that, agreed, I think that allowed me to kind of lower my guard a little more and accept that, well, if something this big was intentional, we have to start looking at everything. Do you what part of your life when when you came upon
flutter Earth? Where did that fall in? Well, you know, once once you go down to nine to eleven rabbit trail, I watched all kinds of videos about nine to eleven and which led me to a lot of the conspiracy podcasts. So I started listening to Coast to Coast. Oh yeah, sure, I think that was one of my first podcasts was Coast to Coast. So I started listening to Coast to Coast and then from Coast to Coast. A lot of times the guests would have a podcast and I would listen
to their podcast. But I was listening to Coast to Coast and they had the guy with the one hundred proofs. I can't think of his name right now? Oh yeah, the two hundred proofs to Flutter was that Erica. Now I wasn't Eric Dubai was the other one it was. I think it
was one hundred Prus. It wasn't Eric Dubay, but he was on Coast to Coast and yeah, and so when I heard him on Coast to Coast and he was talking about flat Earth, I mean I had heard about it a little bit before Coast to Coast, but I was trying to figure out what do they mean by flat Earth? Do they literally mean that Earth is flat? I mean, I was trying to figure out what it. I didn't know if it was a coat or what, because you know, I'm
thinking it can't be flat Earth, flat Earth. It's got to be something else. So when he came on Coast to Coast, man, I was just listening and and the biggest thing I was trying to visualize what he meant, because in my head, I'm trying to think, what does he mean flat Earth? You know? And so she finally got him to explain it, and once he explained it, I could see it, but I still couldn't fully understand it. So and at that time, I think this was like, uh, like, I say, like, I don't know twenty
sixteen or seventeen. I guess I can't remember. But so, so I listened to his YouTube video on one hundred proofs. I think it was one hundred proofs. I'm certainly wasn't an every debate with somebody else. So I listened to that, and once I listened to it, man, it just made logical sense, you know. So and then I just listened to a bunch of everything I can find, pretty much, and everything just made sense. I saw nothing that did not make sense. And I think creation is
semple. I don't think creation. I don't think you get up a PhD to understand God's creation. So it just made logical sense. It made I didn't see anything that contradicted the Bible. And to me, even today, the biggest thing to me is water. I mean water always is going to seek to be level. If it's not level, it's trying to be level,
is running to be level. So when I saw the videos of the boats over the horizon, and you know, pill I put out your camera, all your binoculars and they come back, I mean that was pretty much it, man. I mean I still had other questions, but I was pretty much convinced. You know, I don't see a reason why it couldn't be flat. You know, I know water is always level, period, That's right. Yeah, there's no magic trick that that. You know.
They try to use gravity and other type of things, but even their most basic math. And when you ask some Bunton and I listen, I always say I was in that boat once too. You could have tracked me down ten years ago and asked me how far the sun was the way. I
didn't know it was ninety three million miles. I didn't know the distance from the Moon and all the other things that you tend to learn when you become a flatter Earth or because if you were anything like me, those first couple of weeks were quite a trip, and you were just lost and you just wanted to consume more information because you know there's other rabbit holes that kind of like wow, but then there's flat Earth. Then it really for me,
it really changed the game. How about yourself? Yeah, that was it, man. I mean I watched so many videos, and this was back when you could find good videos. I watched so many videos and I'm still
convinced that it's not a ball in space. No, I just don't believe that now, men, you know, like I say, like I said, when I first now, when I first heard about flat earth, and after nine eleven, I still didn't believe the moon landings were fake because my daughter had mentioned something about the moon landings being Now I was like, nah, you know, I just I just didn't pay attention to it. I
mean, I just did not believe that could be true. Sure, But then once you started, then, once I started doing a flat Earth trail, then I saw videos about the moon landings, and you know, the more you look at it, I mean, it's not you're not being brain washed. You're really just seeing stuff for what it is. I mean the obvious fact. I mean, even like the Bible, what the bibble says, the moon is a light. Yes, and when you look at the moon you can tell nobody can land on that. No, it's literally a
light. And so from a Biblical perspective, it said God made two lights, one for the day and one for the night. He didn't say he made one super bright light that will reflect off a dusty ball in the evening. He specifically said it was two lights. It's literally a light. So and the more you look at it, you realize nobody can land on this.
And even even when you look at the foot of the Apollo missions and the shadows at different angles and you know, everything, man, you know, it just you just realized and in fact, we haven't been back, you know, which is impossible if we really went, there's no reason why we wouldn't go back, you know. So, I mean, it's just
it's just too much evidence against us ever going too much. Indeed, let me ask it, since we're with NASA, let me ask you a couple of questions there you had mentioned and we all had the same type of reaction. After we realized the truth about nine to eleven, you know, we start realizing the tremendous you know, just the absolute horror that we're brought upon, you know, people around the world because of this false flag. And that's what it was. A false flag. Is there are people who die.
It's not a hoax. There were people, a lot people who died, but they blamed it on someone else. And um, when you declare an enemy, like you know, it was the war on terror. It wasn't the war on X, this person or this country. It was the war on terror so that they could have an open check book and endless enemies to attack. Everything was off limits, and you know, you and I
talked about how that, you know, how we felt about that. Now, did you once you realize that the earth is flat, there's a firmament over us, there's no landing on the moon, did you like start researching like how much tax money that NASSA receives and how you felt about that? Nom that To me, that wasn't something that I mean, it is a concern, but it wasn't one of my biggest concerns. It was more like, why are they doing it? You know, what's the reason? That's
and same thing with nine eleven. I mean, I won't I probably you know, we'll probably never know the reason. All you can do is speculate why. But I don't believe the primary reason was money. I don't. I don't believe the primary reason was, you know, to take over another nation. I believe it's something spiritual, you know, Yeah, you know, I believe they are led about darkness because if you could take that minute, lives man, the lives of innocent people. I don't think it's just
about money. To me, the money and it's just a fringe benefit. But I don't think that was the primary reason. To me, it was almost like all of those lives to me, were almost like a sacrifice. So dealing with some very very very evil people. Man, So yeah, that was I always said that was a ritual event. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know, just for money, I don't think so. I mean those those to me, those are the kind of fringe benefitically, just go along with it, you know, you hook up your
buddies and that make weapons. But to me, it was almost like an offering, you know, and I think the people at the very top some very dark powers of darkness, you know, controlling people. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Um as far as uh again, you realize that the Earth is flat firmament and there's no such real things out of space as is depicted in the movies and television. Um, A thing that I always like to think about, just kind of kick around in my little mind. That's
how it works. Is what kind of burden do you think was on those three guys? And of course we're talking about Neil Armstrong and buzz Aldren and those guys. Yeah, I mean that that conference that they had like, uh, Dave, why I said they looked like the dog had died. Man. I mean that tells you right there. Yeah, that confidence that they had, uh you know that news news carference and when they were all
three lined up, Yeah, they looked just, yeah, mortified. Instead of looking instill, of looking like they won the Super Bowl, they're looking like they looked just like somebody died. Yeah. And that, Yeah, they got a burden on the man. And so I don't know the ends in the outs of to what extent they knew and how far they knew in advance, but uh, you know it's crazy, Yeah, crazy. That's the eavy burden to kind of care that around, knowing that you did not
go, but you gotta pretend that you did. Right. It's it's not like, uh, you know, you invented some cool pattern, but you really didn't invent it, right. You know. It's not like you invented the Nintendo sixty four the PlayStation three, right, and you took credit for it even though it wasn't really your inventions. You just took credit for it. You're talking about, you know, according to the history books, the
greatest accomplishment and mankind. I mean this isn't a small potatoes we're talking about here. I mean, these people names are etched in the history, right yeah. Yeah, that's that's massive, man. And so when you when you just think about the things that we know about, because there's so much
we don't know that they've done. But if you just think about nine to eleven, the moon Land in Oklahoma City, and I was listening to somebody, you know, during the whole time when they were talking about ISIS and the Taliban and right out the nine to eleven and some of the bombings that
took place in Europe were the exact same thing. They were, you know, not what they seem to be. You remember those bombings on the train in Europe I think it was England, Yeah, the July seventh two bombing, right yeah, yeah, a lot of those were the same thing. So when you just think about how much deception has gone on, man, I mean you you literally don't know what is real and what's fake. Yeah, I mean, I mean, and that's you know, like I said,
that's just what we know. What about the things we don't know, it's just i mean, just never ends. Yeah, And that's there's something that always disheartened me because growing up, I always wanted to be a journalist, even though I knew back then I just was a young guy, didn't go to college. I know, it was kind of out of the realm
of possibility that at the time. But I always admired journalists, and I always imagine them as being champions for the truth and like I said before, being the the unofficial fourth arm of the government, keeping everybody in check. And and and now it's just weaponized. It's weaponized against us, and we pay. You have people who pay for cable and they pay for their own
brainwashing. Yeah, man, I mean right right before I heard about, you know, found out about nine to eleven, I was listening to you know, I didn't I never knew about I guess it wasn't like an awakening. I guess it was like a small awakening in a way, like you know, just like everybody else. I just always listened to seeing n And I had a job where I could a vehicle where I had a radio in it, so while I was working, I could listen to the radio.
So I started listening to Rush Lumball because you know, he talked radio, you know, his own I would listen to him. I didn't know who he was. I didn't know anything about Russia, Lumball, nothing, you know. I was just totally seeing in, you know, just because you know, it's it's it's the biggest news networks. So I just watched it, you know, twenty four seven. So I stopped listening to Rush and I was like, wow, you know, did and and being a Christian,
a lot of the things he said I agree with. And to me that was like an awakening. And I was like wow, man, you know, and I was all into Republican party, and and I just at that time, I felt like, man, if everybody could just listen to this other side man in that and to me, it was just like if everybody could, especially believers, if we could just listen to this, To me, it was just kind of eye opening. I had no idea that there was an alternative news source, but after nine eleven, man, I
just realized, it's all the same things. It doesn't matter Democrat, Republican, n N Fox. Because if if we had real journalists, remember you know, journalists were at ground zero as as it was happening. They heard the bombs, you remember, the news uh reels, and they they literally heard the bombs, and so if they were real journalists, why why why was no one asking the question about where the bombs coming from? Yeah, all those all those folks in the basement who are trying to get out,
they're on record. You're hard pressed to find those videos anymore. Back even I would say as late as twenty sixteen, maybe twenty seventeen, those you could still find those videos. But there was a massive, just a huge censorship anything that challenged the official narrative of you know, nine to eleven, that particular school in Connecticut, so on and so forth. Then of course
we saw tyranny at a whole nother level when when COVID came about. If I've mentioned anything about the vaccine on my YouTube channel, I got wiped out.
So that's why I don't even bother with that anymore. Yeah, yeah, Man, we had real news, then what happened on nine eleven would have been would have been the biggest news story in American history if we had real news, absolutely, But instead of the bombs, instead of questions and stead of real investigative research, what the top story was weapons of mass destruction. That's what everybody talked about, sir, not about the bombs, not about how did the you know, how did these guys pull this off?
Not about why no planes were shot down like they should have been shotting now, why not about the why did the Pentagon didn't have cameras that showed the plane hit the building? The top story was weapons of mass destruction, foxing in same thing. So that told me it's all the same, it does matter. And how many times on those newscasts did you ever hear the words building seven uttered? Yeah, that's it, that's it, that's it. Yeah. I didn't even know about building seven man until I and when I
watched that video Architects and Engineers for nine eleven two. When I saw that and they and they talked about building, I was like, what buildings up? I was like, what, that's what I'm saying, man, How is that not news? No plane even hit the buildings? So it's crazy, man. So they just told me, Man, it doesn't matter, fox seeing in it's all the same thing. It does not matter. So
I just gave up on news altogether. Yeah. And and I talk about trying to find that fine line between being uninformed and misinformed, I think in this day and age, it's more harmful to be, uh, you know, misinformed than uninformed, at least if I don't know what's going on, I can't you know, catch their bait and get pulled into their next you know thing, their next mass shooting. And you know, they they like to keep us fighting amongst each other and uh just to take the magnifying glass
off of the bankers. They continue to print money and and uh more power, eliminate the middle class, and they just want a world of serfdom, and you know, to keep us miserable and as far away from God as possible. I see, it's it's crazy, man. And so we don't know what's coming down the pike next. But I just don't don't believe what you hear on the news. I know that no fact, that is for sure. Yeah. I could talk about nine to eleven all day. That
is just you know, you're talking about the journalist. And it was funny. There was a guy, I don't know what happened to him. He kind of disappeared. He tracked down member good old Donald Rumsfeld, who on September tenth set oh, by the way, we can't find two point three trillion dollars. Yeah, and the next day that the accounting part of the Pentagon is what got hit. But yeah, young man tracked him down then he was trying to get him to talk about Building seven and Donald Rumsfeld literally
said, what building seven? What's what's that? And he tried to play it off like he didn't even know what building seven one. He was trying to say, when did they start making buildings that came already set up with C four charges ready to go just in case a building needs to be pulled, because it takes days, weeks and months to to set up building up for demolition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's amazing that that
happened. In the lives that were lost. And once you once you you know, calculate the lives, that tells you, man, they don't do anything, so anything. When I heard about flat Earth, I wasn't shot. I was not surprised, man, Yeah, and not surprised. While you know, the globe theory, you know, doesn't take lives like World Wars and nine to eleven in Oklahoma City does. It takes souls and many
more souls. It can lead to many more souls. And I get Bernard, I get so many emails from people who um, that the flat Earth has led people to God. M that's good. Absolutely, you know. They say they've realized that they're not here by accident, that this was created right, so it had to be created by someone, so obviously it was God. And they read, you know, they pick up the Bible and by the time they've done the first chapter of Genesis, they're they're overwhelmed and
that they understand that this place was created just for us. Yeah. One thing about it, I've never ever ever believed in evolution. I've never believed that. To me, that just did not make sense. The Big Bank theory either, that's just yeah, I mean, that just never made sense. Even though I love science. I love I love science, I love hearing about you know, I was all into this um trillions of miles.
I got a little I got a bunch of It's not a bunch, but I got I got some videos that I'm gonna send to you awesome and uh yeah, one of them I can't I can't quote it word for word, but let me see, can I find it real quick? Yeah? It's um it just shows that one of them is a less See. I'm gonna just read you the title of it. I'm gonna send it to you, lady. It says mysterious cosmic heartbeat detected billions of light years from Earth.
Wow. So when you read the art, they talk about how they could hear this heartbeat billions of light not not not just one light here, billions of light years. They could hear this sound billions of light years. I mean when I used to you know, back in the day, when I used to hear stuff like that, I would just be a made many just how wow. Man, these guys are smart, you know. I was
just of course, I just believed it. But now I know there's no way possible for them to hear something that's just like me hearing a rat in your basement in New York from Georgia something exactly. It's it's just it's crazy when you think about it, that that I actually believe that they could do what they said they did. But now just see, it's just crazy, man. It's just a much of lies. God. I never I never believed in evolution ever because it was just impossible. H Have you ever heard
of the irreducible complexity? I'm not sure that rings about. It's a Christian apologist came up with the term to describe. He was basically talking about a sell and how a sell just like imagine a mouse trap. You remember the wooden mouse traps with the spring old school, and so his point was, just like, just like that mouse trap, it has to have have every
part and that's pretty simple. A mousetrap of simples. You got the wooden plank, you got the uh, the spring, you got the lever that kills the rat, and that you get, you know, you get you know, five or six pieces. Sure, but his point is that it is irreducibly complex. I mean, you got to have every piece in order for it to work. If one piece is missing, is not gonna work.
And so he was comparing that to the human cell. Now, the human cell is much more complex, but his point was a cell cannot evolve. Every piece has to be in place, So it's impossible for sale to involve. And NFL is supposedly simple, yet it cannot evolve. And so how much more the rest of creation, you know, And so it's it's almost like what they say is just nonsense. It's just nonsense. Man.
Indeed, I'm saying that this argument was already I guess it came around in the sixties, but it really took off in nineteen ninety three by this guy whose name is Michael I guess it's pronounced bay hey Bhe who was actually just up north to me here at Lehigh University. He presented a variation of the same argument. Interesting, I'll have to go down this check this out tonight.
Yeah, and so I never believed in evolution, but I was all into space and sure, you know, light years and now I never believed in aliens per se. I believe, I believe something was going on, but I just couldn't believe that God would create other beings and not tell us about it. You know what I'm saying. You know that there could be creatures on another planet, and those creatures could visit this planet and disturb us on this planet, and somehow God forgot to mention that. I just never
could get my mind around that being possible. So now everything begins to make a lot more sense, you know. Yeah, once once you realize flat Earth, even even for you know folks who are on the fence, that that eliminates that right away, and you realize that was just another part of the deception. Yeah, it's uh, and you know, I mean just
just to think about how they pulled it off. And every time I think about it, I believe that darkness is at the top dark beings because when you think about man, man is not capable, in my opinion, of having a plan, because this is a long term plan. You know, they started out with evolution, and to me, it's it's it's a plan that's going to take hundreds of years to come to pass. You know, you start out with evolution, and then you bring in the aliens, and
then you bring all everything kind of kind of comes together. But it's a long term plan. Don't I don't see men coming up with this plan. Uh. It's just like your child or when we were kids. You know, when I remember when I was you know, fifth and sixth grade, you know, real young summer breaks seemed like an eternity. You know, when you're out for the summer just seemed like you were out for them. It almost seemed like a you know, months and months and months. Absolutely
because you're a child, you know what I'm saying. An hours seemed like an eternity back in the day when you were a little That's what I'm saying. And so even as adults, I mean as men. Yeah, we can have a plan for twenty five years, a long term plan, but this plan is over hundreds of years. And to me, you know, just when the Bible talks about to the Lord to day is like a thousand
years, and thousand years like a day. I think that applies to the spiritual beings also, And so for them to come up with a thousand year plans, no problem, because they're going to live to see it. We won't live to see it. So it's like all of this stuff comes from the very top and his dark beings in control of this, all of this deception, and then the men just carried out. Yeah, that's that's a great point. You know, people talk about seventeen seventy six and most people
go to July fourth. Well, May first was very much as important, if not more important. I mean George Washington, if you go to DC and look at his memorial, he was every bit, if not more proud of being a Mason, a Freemason, as he was as being the President of the United States. Yeah. Yeah, that's the world we live in. Man. It's crazy, indeed, And those people are a part of the plan. And again it's funny. It's summertime. Memorial Day's coming,
which means all the big blockbuster movies are coming. And I was mentioning earlier about how you know, people pay for their cable to be brainwashed, and they do the same thing in the summertime with these movies. You know, they all have nefarious meanings behind them. You look at even you know, Night was at seventy eight with the original Superman. You know, they all the names have meanings to them, like Wonder Woman, the WWU. Clark
can't look at that numerology. It's just a lot of evil with everything. If you remember the story God came to Earth. Sorry, back up, Satan tempted Jesus for what forty days and forty nights? Correct, for forty days he tempted Jesus, and Jesus never said that this world is not yours to give away, right, he never said that. So if he can tempt Jesus for over a month, what do you think he's doing to us
on a daily basis? Yeah, yep. And that's why that's why I don't I try to be gracious to people that don't see as I see, because you know, first of all, I don't know everything myself. It's a lot of things I believe, but I don't know certain things. You know, I don't know why they're doing what they're doing. I mean,
I got an idea. I'm sure it's all involved with the end and darkness, but I don't know to find details of why, exactly why they pulled off nine eleven or how or who came up with the idea of deceiving us about where we live. So i'm i'm I like to be gracious to people that don't see what I see, because at one time I didn't see it myself. So how can I judge somebody and call them names for not believing certain things and not seeing certain things because at one time I did, I
didn't believe it. I remember, I remember, you know, going back to nine to eleven. It was it was either the day of nine eleven or right after a day or two after. They were showing uh, some Arabs Muslims, and I don't know what Muslim country it was, but one of them said Americans did it. Americans did it, And it was like the day of, like the next day, within one or two days. And my first thought was, man, how dumb is that how I'm dumb?
I mean, this guy was saying Americans did it, Americans did it? And I was like, man, how dumb is this dude? Man? And come to find out he right, was right, we are the terrorists. Yeah, yeah, that was I mean. So so that's what I'm saying, Man, we can't. I try to be gracious to people that don't see as I see who's still something to come on the news? You know, I tried to be gracious man, because that was me not
too long ago. So you know, it's very sobering, like you were saying, when when you find out, when you realize, because when you're growing up, like I don't know how old you were, but growing up, I remember very just like it was yesterday, the Iran terrorist situation. And then you find out that Reagan and those guys had a deal in place to hold the hostages, and literally an hour after he was sworn in,
the hostages were released. And you realize that people, to these people at the very top of the food chain, they're just a number, they're a tool, they're pawns, and they really don't care about you. Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. I mean, these are the things that we have come to realize. But what about the things we still know? That that's the big thing. It's just really amazing and kind of scary when you think about it. But we know who ends in the end, so it's
all good. That's right. It's I think it's a big it's a matter of waking up as many people as we can. But like you said, being great, it'sious about it. You know, we're blessed to have this knowledge. But like you said, at one point, um, you know, I there was a point in my life where I knew more about baseball statistics than you know, the Bill of Rights. That's that's a fact. Part of it is just becoming older and wiser and things happen for a reason
in your life and you get wisdom. You can you can get smarts, they're going to college, but wisdom can only be brought through learning and life lessons. Yeah, and uh, the whole idea of ancient people being ignorant is false. You know when you look at the ancient cosmology that I know you've mentioned on the show, and how they view the world and the cosmos and high lines of what the Bible say is I mean, the Earth is on pillars. We don't know exactly what that means, but we know it's
not moving. Uh, we know that we are the center of the universe. There is no billions of light years as scientists call it. The moon and I had a picture, a photo that I took it. I'm sure you're seeing a bunch of them anyway, but when I took it, it didn't come out as clear as I wanted to, so I didn't I didn't
save it. But it was basically the moon surrounded it was the sky looked weird, but it was the moon, the light of the moon illuminating the clouds that was directly around it. So basically the moon was in the clouds exactly. It's not two hundred and forty thousand miles away. Yeah, And there's no way it could have did what it did illuminating those clouds if it was a quarter of a million miles away, there's there's there's just no way
it could happen. And so now you see things like that, you know that you know you've seen before, but you never really paid attention to it. Absolutely. That's the other thing. You start to appreciate things around you when you took it for granted. That's you know, standing out staring at them at the moon. I went down to the beach. I'm on the east coast of Delaware. We went down to Ocean City, Maryland. Just stood on the beach and looked at the flat horizon and then you're just smiling.
It confirms, uh, you know, it confirms your suspicions. Yeah, and I yeah. And what I was saying was, you know, the ancients knew these things, and they were not eagnorant. You know, we are the ones who are becoming ignorant. That's such as we believe everything that's signed to say, as if say a God, that's right. We don't even believe our own eyes exactly. We could see something and not even
see it because we've been being convinced it's not true. I mean, when you look at the globe, I mean when you look at the globe, you know the globes that NASA's fake images from space of the Earth, or you can look at a globe, when you look at the globe, man and just think about, Okay, how is this water not flowing? How how how can oceans not flow even even gravity? You know, so if you say gravity. Gravity doesn't you know? And I wouldn't even argue with
anybody about gravity. I said, okay, but why we know that rivers flow, water always flows, waterfalls, rivers, streams, water flows. Gravity does not present water from flowing. Correct. So even if you even if you if you, even if you give them gravity, gravity does not prevent any water from flowing on planet Earth. The Amazon, rivers flow, streams, flow, waterfalls, so gravity does not stop water from flowing. So how how is it that gravity is stopping the oceans from overflowing? Spout
on? And I asked people all the time, I said, well, how it far on a ball? How do these rivers like the Amazon, how do they flow north? Especially using there if And here's the other thing that people don't take into consideration. Not only is the Amazon flowing north, but it is flowing north on a curve. So think about how much more it would take for that to happen. Yeah, yeah, it does not make sense when you start thinking about it. Man, when you start thinking
about even when they say gravity, that still doesn't answer the question. Because water still flows on this Earth on a daily basis. The oceans, the tides go in and out, the waves crash against the sea. Water is flowing. Yeah, so why isn't it flowing over its banks if we are on a ball? I mean, that still does not answer the question. It does not make sense, man, and in common sense. I mean if you just use your brain and look at what your eyes are telling you.
Yeah, something right. Gravity. We have a big old apple tree in our front yard and in the summertime, every time an apple hits the ground of falls, we say gravity. It's just silly. Yeah. And you know, look at Tesla La, Nicholas Tesla. He warned us that he saw, and this is back in the early nineteen hundreds, he saw science was being hijacked and they were just um, I guess, reverse engineering
math problems to get numbers to fit their narrative. Yeah. They put a math froble on on a chalk boarder, a math problem that steals up the entire chalkboard. Yeah, but you know, is this a man froblem? Man? I still don't prove anything they can make up. You can make a math problem about something that don't even exist. You know, A math from is just a math from. It doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. No, and then that goes back to what you said
earlier. It's it's a shame that people are more willing to listen to someone on the news versus what they see right in front of their eyes, what they can smell, what they can taste, what they can hear, what they can feel. Yeah, scientism is real, man, And I've seen because I listened to a whole I listen. I listen to a lot of podcasts, and I listened to like archaeologists, for example, that you know, have been shown just because they won't go with the flow. You know,
your your band, your black ball. You're not giving ten year college colleges. If you don't agree with the status quo, man, that's just it. And so it's it's every discipline of science. You can name, every every discipline of academics, you can name. They gotta they gotta, you know, the status quo, and if you don't get with the program, man, that's it. Yeah. I can tell you personally. I know doctor Jim Fetzer personally. I haven't talked to him on a while,
but we we've talked many times, both on the radio and offline. He wrote a book about what he thought. He put hundreds of hours into his you know, into his investigations, and he decided he came to a certain conclusion about Sandy Hook, and he wrote the book, and he was blackballed by his university. You can go to the university website where his narrative is, you know, doctor Jim Fetzer, and there's a huge you know, how they've disassociated themselves from them. So again, here we are in a
country we're supposed to have. You know, people say, oh, you're from America. You have freedom of speech, freedom of this, freedom of that Second Amendment. And then again there's the America on paper, and then there's the United States that we can see that we've experienced. We understand that a lot of it is a fallacy, and uh, it almost feels like we've entered an agreement with like in nineteen seventies, used car salesman. Yeah,
yeah, this is this particularly archaeologist I was listening to. He was I think he was a student at the time, and they were and they were out on a dig and they told him he was he was digging at a certain death. You know, they take layer by layer, and so once they got to a certain death, the professor told me, okay, you can stop digging because there's nothing else below this point because we you know, they I guess they reached a certain strata which indicated a certain age,
and and the professor said that there was nothing else below this point. He said, well, well, why why can't I dig further further? He said, he said, because there's nothing there. He said, well, how how will I know if I don't dig? And that was the beginning of his eyes being open, you know. The professor said, no, you can't dig any further because if you do, you won't find anything. But he said, well, how will I know if I don't dig? Say, just common sense, man, right, let me find out for
myself. Isn't that what's supposed to do. Isn't that what a science is supposed to be all about? Continue to question it, you know, supposed to be And that was the beginning of his eyes being open. And he was black balled every sense man, because he found things that didn't make sense according to their timeline. And I know you've heard that a million times.
They found a whole lot of things that don't fit the timeline. Oh yeah, that's but they don't recognize it. They just they just discarded exactly, which makes no sense. Man. I mean it's frustrating. Just I mean, on the one hand, I like learning and listening. But at the same time, man, it can be frustrated. Man, it can be like this is crazy. I mean, at some point you just get kind of tired, man, like, I don't care. Way you turn is just deception. And for me that again to me too, that's the most
frustrating thing when I try to do research for um, certain subjects. I mean, when everything is based on lies, it's hard to discern what's true and what's not. Yeah, everything is based on lies. So I mean, I mean, if you're if you have if you're UM, somebody hands you on a map and they tell you to find this area with an X marked on there. But the map is all jacked up. You're you're probably never going to find the X, right, Yeah, And that's what we're
dealing with here. Yep. Now, I got a question I had. I know you've talked, I know you've seen these some of these ancient maps. Yeah, sure, And I got I got dec in my notes. I'm gonna send you all of this stuff. It's not a whole lot of stuff, but I think one of the one of them is a map from the fifteen hundreds and and I forgett name of it, name of the map, but I think it was supposed to be made around the same time as a Gleasian's map. But this map shows Antarctica as it is today. Okay,
so you're talking about the Olburna map. I think it's Urbano Monte. It was in the in the fifteen eighties, and it shows Antarctica in a circle, but also it shows some of it like white, like maybe it's ice, but some of it grain too, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, I was saying that to say, I wonder how long have they been putting stuff out in order to confuse people. So so that map, according to from what I've seen, it shows an app Antarctica basically as it
is today. Yes, and so, and that was from the fifteen thirties, I believe. If it's the Orbano map, I think it was later fifteen eighty seven, but um, fifteen hundred is still that's the time Copernicus after Reformation, when you know Copernus Copernicus was pushing his his heliocentric model. So this would have been you know, about forty years afterwards. Yeah, it's the Rontius Phinikias. Does that ring a bail? M? Hmm, oronis is O R O N T e U S f I n A e
U S map ce Oh okay. It was the one that's kind of shaped like a butterfly. M. The Orontius Phineas map. Yeah, okay, here we go. Okay, that is interesting. Yeah, this is different than the other one I was looking at. That is very interesting. Yeah, this was fifty Yeah, you're right, fifteen thirty one. That was That's so weird. That is just almost exactly the same time that Copernicus,
you know, was hollered about heliocentrism. And it's interesting. It's interesting that there was an article written just a month ago on this website that talks about Antarctica on this map looks ice free, which certain aspects of the other map, the Urbano Monte map, some of it looked icy, but some of it was also green. Very interesting. Yeah, I said that to say, I question a lot of stuff, man, I mean, because the powers of darkness they got a plan and so just like with the Admiral Bird
videos. Oh sure, I'm kind of like air debate on that one. I don't know about any anything comes from the government, man, I'm questioning. I don't know absolutely, because they got a plan and they've been working this plan for a long time, and so I'm not saying it is false. What do he said? But I questioned anything that comes from the government anything. Yeah, I think Admiral Bird was fifty I don't even know if it was fifty fifty. Obviously. I think his journal was to distract from
the truth. I think it was just a diversion. Yeah. Yeah, I don't believe any of the nonsense that his aircraft was taken over by them and guided in Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically anything comes from the government. Man. You gotta you know, it can't be trusted. Really, I couldn't agree more trust me. Um, something I wanted to ask you before I forget, and I normally asked this earlier. When when you finally
came upon flat of earth and accepted it. And I'm sure after all the my goodness, I've been lied to, there was a certain extent of excitement. Did you. Were you willing to share that with with folks close to you? And how was it received? Yeah? I told my kids because my son, he's kind of like me. He's always been into conspiracy stuff. He's the one who told me about nine to eleven. So I told him. I told my kids, I told my wife, and they all
pretty much received it. You know, they don't dig into it like I do. But they agreed that the government can't be trusted, so you know, they don't. They they're pretty much in in agreement with me. Put it that way. That's great, but you know they don't. They don't take the time to dig into it like I do. Right, Um, that's your son. That sounds like it did. But yeah, but my son did. My son, my son really got into it. That's awesome. Yeah, that was the thing I ran into. My wife was extremely
receptive. Um, but when you start to go outside the family to like siblings, et cetera, you get that look like do we need to commit you Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah so and I can understand, man, I can understand. Yeah, we were all that guy. Yeah yeah, even even things that that are not related to flat earth. I mean, like I will watch videos about the ancient pyramids. Uh, it's a guy.
He has a YouTube, um video, I mean YouTube show called Uncharted X, and he looks at the precision in the premiers, some of the architecture, other architecture, obelisk and vases that they have found. Some of these vases, man, are super thin, they are perfect. And he's making a point that, man, the Egyptians didn't make this stuff. Uh, so you want you have to check out our uncharted X. He's real good.
And his point is that this was not made by the Egyptians. So what are your thoughts on the pyramids and what do you think they're all about. I have no idea what they're about, but I don't believe the Egyptians made them. I believe it's probably made before the flood. Really, that's very interesting. Yeah, if you, if you, if you look at him, man, not just the pyramids, but some of some of these sculptures. Now, the Egyptians did make some that were pretty amazing, but
it's nothing like the ones that holder. Some of them are symmetrically perfect. Uh. Some of them have holes drill done. Uh. Some of the stones, you know, there's no way you can you can make you could uh make these cut cut these stones with with with with the tools that they say the Egyptians aid. Yeah, so if you look at if you look at his YouTube channel on chart of X, you'll be amazed. You know, you make a great point that I'm not sure I ever connected together.
Um, you know, back then, I mean they had the wherewithal to build babble, which was according to the Bible, was trying to reach heaven, which we know today is the firmament. So if they were able to build something like that, that you make a great point that could have been something done back in that time as well. Yeah, bottom line, if you watch this show, and I've heard of in different places other places, also you can tell the things that the Egyptians did build, and you can
tell the things that they didn't build. Just put it that way, that they didn't make because those things are basically perfect. The symmetry is perfect. The vases that they found, some of the vases that they found, you can tell the crew vases. But what they did was when you look at his show, you will see what happened was the Egyptians they put their names
on these things. So they scribe their names on these structures, and you can tell the difference between this precise sculpture compared to the writing on the sculpture. The sculpture the writing gonu sculpture is primitive. It's not perfect. It's crude, but the sculpture itself is perfect, so they don't match. Really intriguing. What was it you said? It was a YouTube channel, Yeah, called uncharted X uncharted X because I want to put the link in the
show description forever's Okay, there we go. This is his name is Ben van kirkquick I believe so. Yeah, it's uncharted X. Yeah. His videos are amazing. Well, okay, and if you're listening folks, I'll put that in the show description as well. It looks very interesting. And he's got case closing in on a half million subscribers, so he's got to be putting out some good content. Yeah, check out that one. Checkout
all of them, but check out that one about the vases. Uh, it's amazing some of the I mean, how can you get granted to be so thin that you can shine a light through it? Yeah? I'm seeing that. It looks like one of his more popular scanning of pre dynastic. Yeah, granite face a thousandth of am Wow, that is incredibly thin, That's what I'm saying. Wow, you ain't gonna do that with a stone. No, yeah, it's crazy, and you know I saw it. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. But but to answer, I think,
I don't. I don't believe it was was the Egyptians, I you know, and I don't know. It's just I thought I believe it probably may have been done before the flood, possibly by the by the fallen Angels in some way. So that's kind of my take on that. But who knows. That's really interesting. Yeah, absolutely, but that is interesting. They want you to believe that the Egyptians did that. Uh, and a lot of it never really made any sense, right, And then when you go
when you watch his video, you will see the exact same thing. Man, The academics academia is blackballing anybody who says anything other than the Egyptians did That's it. Same thing. Wow, when when you he said, when you go, when you go to Egypt, they make you watch a video showing you that the Egyptians made all this stuff. You know, you got to you gotta sit and watch this video first before you go on the tour.
And they and they put in your head. Yeah, the Egyptians, they they did all of this with stones and brass brass tool you know. Yeah, that's crazy man. Yeah, I've heard everything from there was only this like once a year they would have this great flood and they would use the flood to help get the uh, the stones up there. I've heard, Um, they're not really blocks, they were just formed concrete. Said
they would like build the forms and then pour the concrete. I mean, I've heard it all, and your theory certainly makes a lot of sense. And you look at them, the ziggaratte of her in Iraq, These these things are just Um, I think you're right. And even I read an article lately where um what I forget where it was, but they took a test from the late eighteen hundreds and gave it to their students and I think eighty five percent of the students failed. Um. That's you know, we're
definitely not getting any smarter now. Technology wise, we're becoming more tech savvy. Were we have information at our fingertips. But if we have if that information is no good to us, if it's full of lies and deceit, then what good does it do us? Yeah? I would say, do you remember this guy called balls out physics? Yes, yes, sir huh yeah, okay, okay, you already know about him. Yeah, I wish we had more guys like that. Yep. These are people that actually
put it to the test. Yeah, I love I not only love his but he put out, but I also loved his attitude. Yep. You know. Uh yeah, I didn't know if you knew about him or not. Yep, I am aware of him. He's got a great uh and he presented it like you said, he presented it really well too. Yeah. Yeah, I like you the attitude you know, he didn't he didn't come across and he knew every day he was cocky whatsoever. No, man, I love that guy. Man. I wish I wish we had him
back making videos. Yep, agreed, um, But you know again if if if you're catching flak, that means you're over the target. A lot of these people who've been booted from YouTube, unfortunately, it's hard to track them down once they're gone. Yeah, I think he uh from what I if what I remember, it wasn't that he got booted. He just moved on. His employer found out what he was doing and what he believed. Oh wow, and uh yeah, he had to stop because basically you know
he was about to lose his job. Isn't that sad? Yeah? Yeah, but I loved his uh, I loved his show man, Yeah for sure. Wow, we have really covered the gamut. Was there anything else that you have had that that we hadn't touched on yet that you wanted to bring up? No? Um, I just I'm glad I found your show. Um. I love to show love to guest. I wish you could track down the gap balls out of Physics and maybe he could come on. But yeah, other than that, man, yeah, just no, no
further questions, Just enjoy listening to TV show to have this conversation. Did you know do you remember I haven't looked in a while. Did he leave his channel up or did he have to take it down? I found some stuff still on YouTube. That's how I found him, man. I sent you a link because I didn knew if you knew about him or not. I just got a few things I wanted to send you, and I his uh his. He still has some videos on YouTube, so they're still up
there. There's still on YouTube. Okay, yep, they're definitely making it hard to find. I put him in the search engine. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to sign, but I found him. Yeah, that is so sad. Um, Well, listen, it's been great. Um. I'm so glad that we were finally able to catch up with each other. I know you're an extremely busy person, and we appreciate you for what you do for us and spreading the word of God and all the knowledge that
you gave us today. And I hope there Brian Mullen, I think his name was Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, there we go. But yeah, it's been a real pleasure meeting you. And uh, for the folks listening again, if Bernard's message resonates with you, please do well. We'll put his email in the show description and I'll put other things as well. I'll put the channel we just talked about, the Uncharted X and then I'll also put a really cool link, you know, I'd mentioned
the superheroes and the hidden meanings behind that. There's a very cool video I have for that as well. And again, we thank everyone who's been a part of this journey. We still have one, two, three, I guess five more people scheduled for May. We'll take a break from Memorial Day weekend until about the tenth of June. Catch my breath and recharge my battery, spend time with the family, and then we'll go strong until the Christmas Rake again, Bernard, thank you so much for joining us and all the
information you gave us today. Sir, Thank you, George, thank you for your show. Keep up the good word. Man. Don't go nowhere. I won't. God bless you, and God bless all the listeners, and we'll talk again real soon. Everybody,