Episode 43: Flat Earth Conversation with Josiah

In presentation is all Marvel Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. As we will record this evening. It's Thursday, May fourth, twenty twenty three. Hope everybody had a great week as we roll into the weekend, I hope you've enjoyed all the interviews that we've done lately. I need to do a

standaloade here in the next week. I've got so many emails to share in, so many voice messages to share, and I'll try to get that here in the next few days to a week. And we do have as Zeloc on the board one two. I think we still have seven or eight interviews for the rest of this month, so a lot of content come in your way. Don't forget to send your emails to the excuse me, the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. Again, it's the flat earth Files at

gmail dot com, and we'll get to them. I think I'm pretty much caught up on the emails, and do please stop by the website, the flat earth Files dot com. Lots of content in the forum. The chat room is always buzzing. I stopped in this afternoon. I think there was four or five people in there having a great conversation, so please do swing by and check it out. All right, guys, I think that's all we need to talk about before we bring in our guests. And Josiah reached

out, I'm up ten days ago. We're so and we had a good conversation back and forth, and it's really a pleasure to have him on this episode. Please help us. Welcome Josiah, sir. How are you doing today? I'm doing awesome. How you doing doing really good? Thanks again for joining us, and please take the time and introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah for sure, my name is Josiah. I'm thirty two years old. I live in Utah in the rockies, and yeah, whatever do you

want to know about me? Like, did you get going? Just your background, a little bit about yourself, so the folks have an idea where you're coming from, your your education, your you know anything you'd like to discuss about your background. Yeah for sure. I grew up in Utah, roll Utah, and I did not grow up LDS or a Latter day Saints as people know Mormons to be. Yeah, so I grew up actually my parents were evangelical missionaries here in Utah, and I you know, I've lived

here since I was two. After I turned eighteen, I moved around and stuff. But I think we get more into my story as we I don't want to talk like too much about like religions and shut, but obviously it plays in that. Yeah, the cosmos in the flat earth a topic at hand. So yeah, when I was a kid, I was not a

Mormon. And I was actually the only kid in my class all the way through public school not a Mormon. And I think this might play into my story a lot, and hopefully if we get into more heavy topics and whatnot. But I think that understanding what is a lie is not the same as understanding what the truth is, and so I would like to get into that a bit. But yeah, as a kid, I had to learn a lot about the Mormon religion. And I'm not talking about Mormon people necessarily,

because I don't know what individuals believe. But when it comes about it comes to like Mormonism and whatnot. Like I learned about all the lies, right, And I think that's what you know if you're labeled like the truth community. I think a lot of the truth community understands a lot of lies, but a lot of people don't really know where to look for truth. So

hopefully I can shed some light on that. But continuing my story, when I turned eighteen, you know, I went back backing through like Costa Rica, and if I'm relaying it to the flat Earth or whatever, I'm not even sure it is flat just you know, to give a little bit of a disclosure here, I'm not sure it's technically like quote unquote flat, but I do what I do know it's not a ball in space, right, so, and I know you've talked about how you don't want to necessarily call

it flat earth because but it works for the marketing right for your podcast. And so I do remember though in Costa Rica, and I remember, like I lived in Australia for a couple of years as well, and I was not and I did not understand the lie at that point, but I do. I do remember looking at the sunsets and being like, what looks different about the sun, Like why does it look so different? And now I think I understand why it looks different because I was on a different part of

the map. You know, I'm educated in art. I got my degree actually in the town that I grew up in, and then I went overseas and I got a diploma of ministry and then I worked in churches for six years actually as creative producer. And that's actually you know, in twenty fifteen or so twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen is when I first came across the idea that people believe the Earth was flat. And I was like, what I

could people believe? There's so I looked up the out of society and you know that propaganda worked for worked, and I was like, this is ridiculous, Like what is it eight miles an hour upwards movement to um to compensate for the gravity thing and like this flat pancake and in outer space and things like that. And I was just a little ignorant to the whole idea. And now I know better, I think, But yeah, um so, twenty twenty, I guess is kind of a big year for me, as

it was for a lot of people around the world, I assume. Um So, I got I went through a divorce literally like in January. My divorce like was like it was just like that sudden, like everything seemed fine. Twenty nineteen twenty twenty came around, and then you know, my wife just like left and there was no infidelity or any abuse or anything like that, and she just wanted something different. So I went through a horse and then, um, that was before you know the COVID stuff. Yeah,

and the lockdowns happened. Um, and that's actually when I met my current wife right now. Um, and then I got married you know later, and I adopted her daughter. And yeah, now we have a kid of our own, like a little baby. And he actually pooped everywhere today, Like he literally took his took his diaper off and smeared it everywhere anyway, So that's how my day's been so far. Twenty twenty. Okay, going back to twenty twenty, I totaled my car. Okay, this is the

story. I totaled my car. And then I had this little vest Fus scooter and I was driving that around and as I was driving, I was going like forty five miles an hour, my front tie I hit like a water meter and my front tire started falling off, and so I totaled my scooter as well. I have scars all over my body to prove that.

And then um, the lockdowns were still happening, right, and then I I was telling my boss, like, we need to open up, man, Like I was, I'm no longer working at church in that at that point, and I was managing a coffee shop and I lost my job because they couldn't financially hold on to everybody because of the lockdown they locked down. I was like, goodness, I figured out a way for us to do

like a drive through thing. But never mind. So then after that, my best friend had a stroke, my grandpa died, and you know, and then there was everything with like the lockdowns and churches shutting down and all that kind of stuff. So there's a lot going on. Any questions, No, No, not at all. It's I certainly think twenty twenty qualifies for a bad year for you for sure. That that's a lot of bad luck to happen in one year. And you know, that's the story that

resonates with a lot of people in twenty twenty. It's amazing that you know, companies like Walmart and even Amazon boomed because of you know, what went on at the same time they destroyed so many small businesses. Yeah, but I think what it did for me is that I like, you know, when you lose everything, you're more open to anything. Yeah, so that's kind of what happened. And I have some good friends, you know, and I have friends who were like, hey, check this out, check

this video out. And one friend in specific, and whom I talked to before this podcast because I was like, I don't know if I should do this podcast or not. He's like, you should do it, man like, because and he was the friend who was sharing like a bunch of little videos to me. And one, the one that really caught my attention was like the first spacewalk and how fake that looked. And I was like,

what the heck NASA and you know, everything like that. Um. A little disclaimer though, like regarding flat Earth, I don't want to be like too misleading, like quote unquote flat Earth, I don't even know. I don't want to even be convincing because if I'm honest, my journey to truth, I'm still on that journey, right and I'm I'm even convinced. I'm not even is the Earth is like quote unquote flat, But I know it's not a bald space like I said, and I'm sure I'm sure of that.

And I guess that's the place I'd like to speak from today. And there are some things I'm convinced of that I believe I know, such as NASA's deceptions and other government deceptions. But in contrast, I'm confident that the Word of God will tell me the truth so long as I'm understanding what he's saying correctly. So there are a plethora of other discoveries that will hopefully lead me along a path of at least proper questioning and rational ideas throughout this discussion.

And if it's all right with you, I'd like to get through my story quick so we can just like dive into it because I think my story will come up throughout the discussion. If that makes sense, Yeah, absolutely, go right ahead, Yeah all right. So the reason I wanted to come on the podcast and speak public is because, even though it makes me

uncomfortable, I think speaking publicly is what provides conviction in one's life. My life, especially accountability for one's thoughts is something I think everyone needs, and I know I do. As as dangerous as it is to never take a stance before two or three witnesses, I think is far worse because I think

that means you don't really have a true belief. So I want to encourage anyone out there, like, if you, you know, believe something, you do need to tell people otherwise, like you don't really have that conviction, you feel that George a little bit? Oh sorry I had I was muted. Yeah, I completely understand what you're side. Okay, I was

like where to go? So yeah, I just wanted to disclose myself from proper light before we get started, and by all means like if anybody here's something that I say that's framed improperly or is like a flat out deception that I still haven't sifted out and pured purified my mind of, like please email me and let me know. I have like a dedicated email at oil Swims Live at gmail dot com. So um, I can give that to you, George, because you've been using a different email. But and maybe you

can put it in the show descriptions. But yeah, sure people would like talk to me, um, because I have I had this like live podcast I started last year which I kind of put on break, but I'm probably going to jump back into it and it's more like Bible related good bye scripture related content. Um. But yeah, there's the dedicated email oil Swims Live at gmail dot com. Okay, and we'll get that in the show description for sure, so people can reach out to you. Yeah, for sure.

All right, do you have any comments? Yeah, you've You've done a great job introducing yourself in your background, and I think people can kind of understand where you're coming from. Um, I guess we can start with um, let me ask you this, where did and again I'm using air quotes, you know, flat Earth or where did that fallow in your journey to the truth? Like have you gone down to the rabbit hole prior to

this? Like were you a nine to eleven truther or you know, a moon landing hoax type of guy, a JFK guy or what was this one of the first steps in the truth community. It's an interesting question because I've always been I think I knew that nine to eleven was was a government job, and you know that obviously, like that year, you know, that year after I was still pretty young though. UM let's see how old was I was in middle school? You'd been about ten eleven years old by then,

right, yeah, sixth grade. But I remember like at least a couple of years after that, my friends were showing me like, hey, this was an inside job. Like you know, in middle school, you're look looking at everything on the internet, and the internet was brand new back then, so you're always trying to discover things on it. But sure, yeah, I remember watching videos and I was like, oh, like, yeah, that does look like a like an inside job. So um.

But I mean I was really young and I didn't really care too much, you know, I cared more about like basketball or whatever. So um, as far as the moon landing go, I was pretty convinced that we landed on the moon until man um, before twenty twenty, I started really being like, I don't think we did. But then definitely in the last year, I've done a lot more research the last two years, done a lot

more research, and I'm positive we did not. It's so ridiculous, George, I can't even like, like, what the freak man, I can't believe I believe that. So yeah, my my journey has been pretty recent honestly, like last three years or so, and and this is um a

story that we continue to hear where something about that year twenty twenty. It's like I think people either got it or they didn't get it right because I continue to say that they seemed play to overplay their hand with COVID, and I guess an addition, we can say things like people had more time,

more time on their hand, they weren't traveling to and from work. So I think a lot of people with the extra time they had, they started to do a little more research because there's just so many reasons things they said it didn't add up. And people, again they started to do their own research. They would come out and say things that didn't make sense. Something

that I wanted to add before I forget. I got an email today from a gentleman named Michael, and we're talking about a lot of the things that we deal with on a daily basis is deceptions from Satan, and he said

something that was really really interesting. He said he started to watch a show called I Think Ancient Conspiracies and the host states that she believes that Satan has a counterfeit for everything God has, and that really really made me stop and think, and like, you know what, You're exactly right, everything that God creates, Satan has a counterfeit too, And that led me direct, you know, the ball is Satan's counterfeit. What are your thoughts on that?

Oh, totally. I would love to get into some scripture because, like I said, and I hope that's okay. But like I said, I think a lot of people in the quote unquote truth community focus on lies. I think a lot of people are understanding they know the truth about the lies, but they don't know the truth about the truth. And I think that if you're looking at documents, like ancient documents that share truth, there's no more like better founded books than the books of the Bible that have been

preserved better than any other book in history. And so if you're looking at the Bible and you don't understand that the Bible talks about this stuff like, there's a lot, I'm excited for you that because there's a lot to look at. And I think a lot of people get asked this question like, um, why does it matter? You know? And I used to get annoyed by that question because it's like, what do you mean why does it matter? Like it's like the earth is not what you think it is,

like you've been lied to about that. But I actually love that question now because the reason why it matters is not just not because it's a lie, right. The reason it matters is because it ties into everything including like language and calendars and everything like that, and there's man as far as like deceptions go to. Like I used to think that there's like a lot of bad

actors. I know there's a few bad actors, but like when you're talking about like Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, you could even include like lots of people who are on this are probably conservative Watch Daily Wire, Tim Pool. I don't think these people are in on it. I just think that they're programmed, well, you know, I think they're essentially bots. They're fully convinced of their own sovereignty because I think that like Tim Poole, he doesn't

believe. He doesn't even these people don't even consider that the Earth could be a different shape, right, Oh no. So yeah, And I've watched I've listened to their like long form conversations and stuff, and it's like they're not faking it. I don't think they're faking it. If they are, they're really freaking good actors, because actors can only fake it for so long, I think. So, I don't know, what do you think about that? I don't know enough about Tim Poole. I've watched him a few

times. I know, like many people like that. There's a comedian Jimmy Doore. I think his name is that a lot of the classic liberals have abandoned it. I don't like to talk too much about politics, but a lot of the classic liberals and I'm using air quotes here, have abandoned the what they call the Democratic Party now because they use the term progressive and that's just code name for evil when you look at things like the transgender agenda and

the mutilation of children. You know what I'm getting at here? They you know, I think there's exactly and again it talks about what did we just say, right? Satan has a counterfeit for everything. They want you to think that God made a mistake and put a boy in a little girl's body. That was God's mistake, and we as humans are going to fix it. Right. That is pure evil one hundred percent. And we deal with

this stuff on a daily basis. And getting back to the truth, you know, within the truth community, the biggest problem we have, and getting back to your point why we should use the Bible as our most basic reference is because we really don't know the True History. On my other podcast I've been doing for three years, I've pointed out that just about every single narrative over the last just over the last two hundred and fifty years, has been

counterfeit. And the good guys in the history book are not always the good guys. Um. But you're not going to go wrong with the Bible. Yeah, And the Hebrew in the Bible is key, like that's that's the gold star, right, the Hebrew. Because the English language in general, I mean English is founded in in like Wicken ideologies and whatnot. So I mean you think about like curse words, uh spelling, we're literally like casting

spells with our cursive cursive spelling, like witchcraft. These these terms are witchcraft, Like Hollywood is holy wood, like the top of the Hollywood lookout has a big old drop of blood. Like our language there's only one word for love, when like in Hebrew there's multiples in other languages, there's multiples like

a lot of different languages, but also in Hebrew. And I don't know Hebrew, so I don't I don't want to give any wrong ideas here, But in Hebrew you can put like little markers in there to let people know who's there. You can play with the words to be like, oh, this is a counterfeit from this other word, like um, I'm sure we'll talk about Babel a little bit or Babylon. But the Tara of Babel,

they were making a name for themselves. Well, the word name there is Shem, which is close to Shem, which is a son of Noah. Right, so Noah like was preserved through the flood, his son who who received his inheritance, his name was Shem. And so Babylon, the Tower of Babel was to create a Shem for themselves to create their own inheritance. So things like that, like the gold is where the Hebrew is man and

we totally miss it in the English. We miss what love is. We miss even like the English, like Bible tells the truth about the cosmos, but it's hidden because we get these ideas like we're we're we're bound to believe spells like the spelling of things. And when we look at Genesis, like you can read through Genesis and you can literally see like we were made out

of the waters. There's verses like just twenty four where you see, um, do not make for yourself's carved damage or any likeness which is in heavens above, which is in earth beneath, which is in the waters under the earth Philippians two tens. So the New Testament as well. There's every niche about of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, and every tongue should convest that Yeshia Messiah is master to the esteem of

Ello, Him the Father. So um, there's I could just keep reading these verses, but no one in heaven, on earth, or under the earth was able to open the scroller or to look at it. Praise him. Heavens of heavens, you waters above the heavens. So like the Bible talks about a firmament, right, if you've listened to you know who can't Hoven is yeah, of course, yeah, he's great. He has a YouTube channel. Everybody should subscribe to it, for sure. But I think

also can't. Hoven has this idea that like the firmament was waters, right, there were waters in the heavens, and so this is you know, his idea. This is now what the Bible says. The Bible says there's waters above the firmament, that's right. And so this this verse Psalm one forty eight says you waters above the heavens. David is saying there's still waters

above the heavens even after the flood. And this is a problem for people who say they're they believe in scripture in the Bible, yet they they ascribe to this because like Georgie can't like flood an enclosure without adding water too, or you can't flood an ecosystem without adding water from someplace else. Right. I used to have a crusted geckos y and these crusted geckos they needed more humidity than what allows for in the West in the Hockeys. It's really dry

here, right, So I made an enclosure. I made a little ecosystem with a waterfall, a heat lamp, and literally like clouds would start kind of you know, yeah, like kind of in the in the top of that enclosure and everything. It was like a little ecosystem. Well, like, good luck flooding that without adding water to it, right, And I don't think it's a problem to like, you know, people believe like, oh, you can flood floot a ball, Like the problem isn't necessarily a

ball if you believe in gravity. The problem is you can't flood the whole earth unless you bring water in from someplace else, right, And Genesis says we were made out of the waters. You can go to first second Pewter three eight and it also says that we were created out of the waters. And there's a lot more to that. But I mean, that's a that's

a major problem for people who have a faith. I think, do you have any thoughts on that you're you're crushing, that you're doing You're doing great, and that is the key um is the waters above the waters below. But you make some really great points about us being derived from water. Going back to Ken Hooven and other preachers, including many pastors that I have, if you even try to have a conversation about them the firmament and try to not even say the words flat earth, but just try to say, hey,

you know, this ball is a huge deception. The problem therein lies really when these when these guys go to theology classes, this is the information that they're being fed instead of sitting down. And if you just break down the chapter one of Genesis, verse by verse, you'll realize the balls a lie. Would you would you agree with that? Yeah? I mean, we could totally do that. I mean Genesis one one says in the beginning

God created the heaven and the earth. That word heaven there is semim, which is like multiple firmaments um. And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. So you have a face of the deep there. If the spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters can then if you go to verse six and it says, and God said, let there be a firmament, the word there firmament is rokia, which is properly an expanse, that is a firmament, apparently a

visible arch of the sky. And that cannot be used for like gas or water. It's a firm structure like hammered out of like a table. Right, it's a hard thing, right, it's not the van Allen radiation belt. No, they can't get they can't get to the moon because there's a firmament in the way. Man, that's right, okay. And there's a firmament where in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. So it's like there was waters, right, and there's

a circle on the face of the deep. And then he put a firmament down on the face of the deep, and he divided the waters that were above the firmament from the waters that were beneath the firmament. And if you read Jubilees, which is an apocryphal book, it says that he drained the waters out of the firmament, outside of the firmament, right, which is interesting. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the

fermament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. And God called the firmament heaven. So where's heaven right above the firmament or in the firmament right above us? Exact the firmament. And that's what I try to people. I say, when you look up in the sky and you see the blue sky, that's water. Yeah. Yeah. And if you look at stars, if you looked at stars the other like waving and

stuff, yea behind waters, yeah exactly. And God said, let waters under the heaven be gathered together onto one place, and let the dry land appear. And it was so. Yeah. Then if you go to verse fourteen, let's keep going. And God said, let there be lights in the firmament. Where are the lights in the firmament inside the firmament, right, Okay, so can't Hoeven has an issue there to divide the day from the night and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and

for years. And that's super important right there, the appointed like those times are super important, George. I hope we can get more into that and let them be for lights in the formative of heavens to give light upon the earth. And it was so, and God made two great lights, greater light to rule the day, in a lesser light to rule the night. He made stars also, so what are the bigger lights? Exactly? I wanted to stop there. It's a perfect time to pause. He made two

great lights. It doesn't say he made one light so powerful that at nighttime it would reflect off a dusty old ball. This is proof that the moon is a light, that it generates its own light. It's a luminescent light. It's not the same kind of light as the sun. Correct, so if it was reflecting sunlight, it wouldn't be colder in the moonlight than in

the moonshadows. So, um, you know about that. The experiment that you can do, you can measure the temperature it's actually colder in the in the moon's shadow, then outside of it as well, it's actually colder, well, colder in the moonlight. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And God set them in the firmament. Where did he set the greater lights in the firmament. That's right of the heavens to give light upon the earth and to rule over the day and over the night,

and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. Um. I think second Peter three eight is also really great as well. It says, um, this is Peter, you know, talking to believers, right, Yeah, this is very important to understand where the timeline where we're at. Yeah, so this is after yes, she was or Jesus. I'm saying Yeshiak. I don't because that's his name or Yeshua. Um, it's not Jesus. I mean that was the Latin flash

Greek version of the name Yeshua. I don't say Jesus. So I'm just so so people aren't confused, like who's Joshua? You know, I'm talking about Jesus, says you may know him, And I'm not trying to be you know, I'm not trying to get into the religious aspects of that. And I'm not a sacred name or anything like that. I just tend to say his name that way that makes sense. But Beloved, be not ignorant

of this one thing. This is second Peter three eight, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some encount slackness. So this is concerning the cosmos. Is you remember how we read about the stars were for appointed times yep, inside the firmament, So concerning his promise, some encount slackness, but long suffering to us towards not us.

We're not willing that any cymononing in the KGJV, because I have all the strongest numbers in it, and it's you know, kind of hard to read. Should should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the in which the heavens shall pass away. Well that's a problem. The heavens pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also, and he works that are therein shall be burned up.

Okay, let's get back to where am I? Where am I looking? Um? I lost my place. I thought it was a second period three eight. I should just keep going. Um, come as a thief in the night, seeing that all these words resolve. I think I lost my place. George, I'm looking for um. You're on second Peto three ten. Yeah, I know I know where I'm at. But it's not the verse I was. Oh, not the verse you're looking for. Got you. These are not the verses you're looking for. May the fourth be

with you? Speaking of uh space, Let's see if I have this verse right here? Just a sick yeah, no problem. And again we're joined by Josiah. We appreciate I'm joining us on this Thursday, May the fourth, twenty twenty three. It's it's funny that I posted on Instagram today. More people associate May the fourth with Star Wars than they do that the Kent State shooting. Most people don't even aren't even aware of this day in history. I found it. So do not overlook this one. This is second

Peter three eight. Do not overlook this one fact below it that with one day this thousand years thousand years is one day. My goodness, oh here it is three to five. It's confusing as it starts the same way, for they deliberately overlooked this fact that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the Word of God. So we were created not out of a vacum in space, but out of water, right, And that means verse six, and that by means of

these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perish. I think that's the flood. Some people don't think so. But by the same word, the heavens, which is the firmament the and earth now exists, are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this. So this is where he tied it into appointed times again like we were talking about before. So I just

thought that was interesting. Don't be ignorant of this fact, like he's literally saying, don't be ignorant that we were created out of water. Right, that's right in the KJV. And again that was Second Peter Chapter three, verse five. The word of God. The heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. And here's why the appointed times are incredibly important, because have you heard this is that millionaires watch

stocks, but billionaires watch stars. Have you heard that, George h Maybe? Okay, So here's an interesting thing that a lot of people of faith have lost. And there's there's a warning in Daniel eight that says the adversary will seek to change times and law. He will seek to change the times and law. And the reason he says laws because that's law is eternal, like it's set in stone in the heavens right. And the way he changes

times is by changing the cosmos. And I would I like asking Christians this question because a lot of Christians believe in a great deception? Have you heard about a great deception? And so I ask people like, okay, So if if the earth was the way that the ancient Hebrews believed it to be, and they did believe it to be that way, you can look up Michael Heiser. I can I can share a link with you about Michael Heiser.

He's u. He has like his masters and ancient cultures, and he has his PhD and master's degree in Ancient language and he's there's and he talks about how there's no question that when the Hebrews, when the ancients were writing these things down that I'm reading right now, they were they didn't think it was metaphoric. They believed it was one objectively this way. That's right, And if I could jump in real quick, that's I think one thing that

we have to remember. There's a lot of people who read the Bible, and I'll ask you if you agree or disagree with me on this, that will pick and choose what they take as literal and what they pick and choose as well, this is just a metaphor, right, But just know that the writers of Scripture, like Moses, he believed that the earth was this way. What I like to ask people, is okay, these people like Moses, who's directly speaking with God himself, is he wrong or are we

wrong? Like? Is he confused about how things are? Or are we confused about how things are? It's like it's one or the other, or maybe we're both confused or we can't both be right, you know. And it's like I like to compare people, like I like to makes people like I can't make people do anything, but I like to ask them like and urge them to answer, are they wrong, the writers of truth? Are they wrong? Or are we wrong? And that that question is really what

brought me into this truth If that makes sense, Absolutely it does. And and again it's interesting, and again understand you're not we all understand who's listening to this podcast. I would say that ninety nine percent of us all agree that the globe is a lie, and we all are trying to figure out what it actually is. We're humans and we're curious by nature. At the same time, I always tell people for us to expect to know exactly how

everything exactly works. I don't think that everything was meant to be that way. But we're curious and we try to learn. That's our nature. But it's interesting when you say that. If you google or you know, Wikipedia, flat Earth, the very very first thing that comes up, there's a whole paragraph how it's a disproven cosmological model. And you know, the longer

I've been in the truth community, the more that you learn. Then when you when when something is fat checked, it's more that's my stamp of approval. When I see something as fact checked, not all the time, but more times than not. Definitely and hum and that's because of man's deception. That's what I wanted to close with that go ahead, perfect perfect bridge right

there, because I was going back to the deception. And the question I like to ask people is, Okay, if the cosmos are actually like if it's actually the way that the answering Hebrews would describe it, with a firmament above a flat plane with sheol beneath and heaven above. If it's actually that way, not only would the satan lie about that, Not only would the adversary lie about that, he has to He has to lie about that.

Why because the heavens declare the glory of God. The heavens, like the Bible says that you should be able to look at the creation and know there's a God. And the thing that we're unable to do because of scientism is look at the creation and know there's a God. Because they're looking, they're showing us a creation that proves God does not exist, you know, according to their understanding of the cosmos. If that makes sense, absolutely, And

can I divert for a second, ask you a question. Because we've done so many podcasts and talk to so many people, we know, this deception really started to go to get off the ground in the sixteenth century after the Reformation, but it really went to a high level after the end of World War Two. We know about high jump, dominic fish Bowl, and then the mid fifty Werner von Brown started his propaganda. So let me ask you a question in this if it's a but, I just want to put it

out there because you're you're a very knowledge person. Obviously, do you think it was just man upon you know, the puppeteer here on earth, whether it's the Rothchilds or whoever, who felt the urgency to push NASA and the globe. And I'm doing a video, and when you see all the propaganda in the fifties with the globe in some of these TV shows, like literally every thirty seconds, it's obviously there was an intentional propaganda, a huge deception

to push this agenda. Excuse me between fifty five and then of course into sixteen, you know, July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, who do you think do you think Satan gave this message to man? Or how did all this come about for somebody to say we need to keep this knowledge from you know, the regular people how do you think all that one about? So like Copernicus. I mean, if you look at like pictures of Copernicus,

it's obvious that he was a worshipper. He was a son worshiper, and so all the occult is firmly founded in this sun sun centric heliocentric cosmology because they worshiped the sun. Going back to Copernicus, there was a lot of people who, including Martin Luther, who were like, don't believe these liars, these worshippers of the devil, right, because they're teaching something that the Bible does not teach. And it is foolish. It is deception. It

is you know. So if you go back to you know, the Enlightenment so called with you know, the science revolution, scientism is it is a religion. And I believe science scientism to be I'm not talking about science in general, like it's good to question, like that's what science is supposed to encourage, is questioning. But I would say scientism is firmly grounded in son

worship and occultic practices. So I do think it's a major part of the deception, and I do think that there are entities behind it, not just people, because you know, I tend to believe take the word of God for what it says, and that's what the word of God says. So in Genesis six, you have, you know, the sons of God coming

down. A lot of people I think, take, you know, the Nephilium out of context a little bit, but I think that generally it's true that in Genesis six, the sons of God came down and they made they had children, you know, with the daughters of men, and the Nephelim were so big that God sent us the flood. That's why he sent us the flood to destroy, because all flesh had been corrupted in those days. That's what Genesis six says. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the

Lord because he was perfect in his generations. What does that mean, Well, he wasn't corrupted by the Nephelim, right, or the sons of God. And um, I think it's an Enoch that says that that Noah married Enoch's granddaughter, so her bloodline was also pure, and he married and then so his sons were obviously pure as well. But then a lot of people think that the sons of Noah, their wives maybe carried some genetic markers over.

But I do I think that righteousness so man, the sin marker, I don't really want to get into it, but I think it comes into those who live righteously. The sin marker was filtered out of them, like it was a redemptive process, a sanctification process through generations, and Shem was received the inheritance, and that's where like Abraham came through that lineage. And

actually Abraham was alive at the same time as Noah in his teens. That's when Noah died, and so Noah was getting understanding from his ten generations down the line grandfather, right. And so a lot of people think that Abraham came from a poly theistic background, but that's not necessarily true. Like obviously poly theism was influencing the world around Abraham, but he actually knew the God of Noah obviously, you know, because he came through the good lineage of

m right. So, but I do think that there are real entities, Like if you go to Washington, DC, and there's a Washington Monument with six thousand and six hundred and sixty six inches tall, as far as I understand, like six hundred and sixty six. Yeah, it's fifty five feet in like six inches or whatever, and it comes out to exactly that that many inches. It's it's definitely the six sixty six. Yeah. And then you and then you enter like the District of Columbia, right, Who is

Columbia. It's literally it's a temple to Columbia, who is the queen of Heaven, right, that the Bible warns us against multiple times throughout the the tnock. So you have the District of Columbia. You go in there, and it's not us history you're seeing. It's like a round room, which

is the womb of isis right? So, and then you have like all these Greek mythology on the walls and whatnot, and it's literally a temple to Columbia there, and the Statue of Liberty is literally Helios, the god Helios, which goes back to Apollos, who is the god of light and the god of prophecy that the Bible warns against. Who is the Antichrist? Well, it's Apollon, so like connected, and I think these entities are still out there and the world is evil because of that. So boy, that's

a lot, right answer. Yeah, I think you covered it. That's awesome. Um, And I could talk about the DC all day long. If you look at the aerial shot of Washington, DC, it's an owl. It's a very obvious owl. And then you can find the owl hidden on your dollar bill. It's just I mean that the symbol is the symbolism on the dollar bill. My goodness. You can spend all day talking about the dollar bill, and of course that is what keeps us enslaved. Yeah,

it's the currency. What's the guy Jordan what's his name? He talks about Jordan Maxwell, Yeah, law the water law. Yeah, that's the most amazing fourteen minute speech. And how he breaks down words, how how a sword right, a sword has the word in it because words cut like a you know what I mean. Just he does a great job of that

speech. Oh man, if we were getting into language as well. Like I said, the whole English language is designed, I think, in order to deceive us, in order to make us not be able to understand things, because there's no words to comprehend the things that we ought to be understanding. And one of those things is the ancient Hebrew masera, which is the skies above us, which are the appointed at times. So I talked a little bit about Abraham, right, and in Abraham's day, Man, what's

the verse? I think it's anyway, So God tells Abraham, go out and count the stars. If you are able, so shall your descendants be? So who are the descendants of Abraham? Well, it was obviously like Isaac and to Jacob, and the sons of Jacob were the promised descendants of Abraham, which were the twelve sons, the twelve tribes of Israel. If you look up that, how many astral signs are there? When people say,

what's your sign? I forget what they call it, but it's really the ancient Hebrew Manserold and those twelve signs are the twelve sons of Israel. Right, And so you can like God was literally like, look at the stars. It's written up there, the twelve your twelve sons. Do you see them throughout the year? That circle around the earth? Those are your

descendants. Your descendants shall be like those. And man, I think this is something that a lot of people miss, is h Yeah, that God's promise And when we read in Second Peter three five and three eight that it's for an appointed time. And if we go back to Genesis six. Right, God literally says, my spirit shall not strive with man forever. He says that, so man's years shall be one hundred and twenty years. But that word years, right there is not years like we're only going to live

one hundred and twenty years. Like I might live one hundred and twenty, but I can't live to be one hundred and twenty one, right, that's not what it's saying. So we're told how to count in the Bible.

It's so we're supposed to count by seven times seven years, which is forty nine's so shabuas and this if you you there's a marker in First Kings that tells us when where the timeline lines up in Hezekiah's day when Snakreb is attacking Jerusalem, so that lines that gives us one marker that lines up with one hundred and twenty from Noah's from really from Abraham or it's not Abraham, sorry, from Adam. And then he's told in Genesis six, Noah is my

spirit, well mount drives man forever. It will be one hundred and twenty schabuas, which is one hundred and ninety years, which lines up with Daniels seventy seventy weeks prophecy. Uh not that word, there's seventy Schabua is seventy forty nine. So man's years shall be five thousand, eight hundred and eighty. And you know when that ends, George, that's twenty forty four,

twenty forty five. That's the end of the one hundred and twenty years, as far as I'm understanding it. And so twenty twenty was the middle of the week. So in Daniel eight or Daniel ten is the seventy weeks of Daniel, and the week at halfway through the week it says that that he will cut off sacrifices and that there will be desolations to create and things like that. And so we're in twenty twenty three right now, which is the true schmidt a year. The Jews celebrated it last year, which is the

year of land Rest, but it's actually this year. And so the prophecy of Daniel eight is actually taking place where we have forgotten the appointed times. We've forgotten the times I used to think it meant like Christmas and Eastern stuff. Those are just different ones. I mean, that's the worship of Ishtar, and absolutely, yeah, it's pegan It's been peganized all of the holidays

for sure, but we have also lost the actual appointed times. And if we're going by the actual harvest calendar and moon calendar, we're actually this year twenty twenty three is the schmitt A year, the first schmitt A year after the middle of the Week of Daniel and so, and it gives you specific amount of days and so according to scripture, September is going to be a big month, I think. And I don't know this for sure, obviously I'm not like, I'm not a prophet. I don't of course. Yeah,

yeah, so September. A lot of some of the people that I've been talking to believe that September is when the abomination of desolation is going to take place. Well, I mean, if you look through history, April and September seemed to be the two big months where these type of horrible events.

April of course is laden with Satanic especially April nineteenth, which is the Feast of Moloch, and that was a twelve or thirteen day runs to May first May Day, the Communist holiday, which the day the Illuminati was founded as well. Let me ask you this. So you said, Um, twenty twenty was the midweek. Yeah, so what was the correlation to COVID? Was this intentional shut down the world? Yeah? Intentional mocking of that word. Um. It wasn't like I said, billionaires watched the stars,

right, they these things are appointed and they know. I think, Um, like he said, I think you say it only takes like seven thousand people to world or something like that. I think there's even less than that that watched the stars that understand the manzo. I don't understand it. It's been lost, it's been and I think Daniel Daniel understood it. He was a magi in Babylon and he understood what the stars were saying, and he

understood the timeline. He didn't understand it all because you know, he was seeing the world today the way it is, and he's like, I don't know what the frick. You know, we understand it because we are here and it says these things are sealed up until the time of the end. So right now is the time of the end of the age, not the end of the world. It's really the beginning of the New Earth. But it's um. Yeah, But if we want to go by the timeline.

Check this like, the second largest bank failure in US history happened over the weekend, right, do you know what was on Sunday? Sunday was right? It was the appoint It was the end of the appointed time spring appointed times, so umhab most people are going to celebrate it next month, but it was actually this month because we're going by the harvest um We started counting after the um um barley harvest sprung up in Israel, and there's people who

track the harvests and according to the new moon cycles and whatnot. But yeah, Shahuo was on Sunday, and then that night four am the bank failures happened, and also the lockdowns were decreed by the FDA or h who on passover of twenty twenty. You know, so the appointed times are still appointed and they're still happening today. And it's it's up there above our heads, That's what I'm saying. Do you think they we're allowed to get allowed?

That's not the right word to use, but it's becoming obvious that they are able to get away with all of these deceptions because so many of us have gotten away from the word of God. Would you agree. Yeah, And this is a I mean, this is what Daniel's warning about, Like he's gonna change the appointed times and the law like that's what he says. And so the who is Apollyon like labeled as he's called the lawless one, the one on who strays from the order, right, he's straying from the order

that God has put in place. That's literally what he does. The deceiver does. And and God, yah Yahweh is not a deceiver, right, So he didn't create a cosmology that we look at and be like, oh, well, the universe might be must be thirteen point eight billion years old. Well, God is not a deceiver. Like, he doesn't make it look old. We're being lied to about what it looks like. You know,

that's right. And so many people, and I think even to a certain extent, some um some preachers, pastors, etc. And including myself, I guess up to it to a certain point in tom in my life believe that heaven was this imaginary place where your soul went to and didn't realize that heaven was literally right above us. Yeah, it's literally there. And I'm it really feels like you know this, we're definitely like a physical reality. Uh, the way I can like touch the table and I have blood

and flesh and things, right that. But I wouldn't be so quick to say that, like heaven is not spiritual as well, but it's actually there, you know, it's it's there, It's it's literally there. But it could also be a spiritual under like there could be a greater reality. Does that makes sense? Yeah? I think that talks about that. Yeah. I think what I was trying to say was, like some people think it's like they use the word dimension another dimension, right, yeah. Dimension?

I hate that word. Yeah, me too. Absolutely. Um, let's take a few minutes. I want to throw throw things at you. What are your thoughts on Antarctica. Oh, Antarctica circles the known Earth, you know, at that's the circle of the Earth, right, So the firmament is on the face of deep I believe, and then Antarctica is the edge of it. And obviously like we can't go there. Um, we can go to like two places I think two islands, Deception Island and what's the

other, roth Child's Island. Yeah, and I know people who have like climbed mountains in Antarctica and stuff, but it's still like very guided. Oh yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, so, and I've people run marathons there and stuff, but yeah, I don't. I don't know. I really don't know. I mean I haven't never been there, right, so I don't know. What do you think? Well, it's they're certainly not standing upside down. I know that for a fact. Yeah. Yeah,

we're definitely right side up, all of us. And yeah, I had had a friend on it my other podcast, she's from Australia, and every time we came on Zoom, I was like, you're not getting dizzy from all that blood rushing your head? Are you? And I think of he assigned okay, Proverbs eight twenty nine says he assigned to the sea its limit so that the waters might not transgress his command. When he marked out the foundations of the earth, So that says the seas have a limit.

I would assume that limit to be you know, Antarctica personally. That's a great verse Proverbs eight, verse twenty nine. When he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command. And you know, I don't mean to venture off. I know people are gonna like, oh no, there goes George again into conspiracy world. But you know in the Book of Revelation it talks about how the ends play out, right, Yeah, but at the same time, we're led to believe and this goes hand in

hand with like Operation Dominic and stuff. So I'm not completely off base. But forgive me for this question, if for catching you off guard, but you know, we're told to believe that there's these things as nuclear missiles and

they can destroy the world ten times over. And to me, when I really sat back and thought about it, I heard it for the first time three or four years ago, and when I thought about it, I was like, again, this is another one of those things that I spoke about earlier, where you know, Satan has a counterfeit for everything that's saying that man can decide when the world war ended, not God, What are your

thoughts on that. I'll say, if if these bombs exist, and I know that there are big expressures, sure right, I've seen him, trust me, I would say that we're not allowed to use them. The only one allowed to destroy the earth by fire is Yahweh himself, right or Jesua So's he's the judge and he will judge and man is not Man is not allowed to destroy the earth that way and precisely, and this has been we talk about all the tools these evil people have at their disposal. I remember

all the old videos from the fifties of children. I used to laugh. They used to show the videos of the children getting under their desks in case of a nuclear blast. In the army, we're taught to lay down on the ground, facing toward the blast with our kevlar helmet down and covering our eyes and ears. And I'm like, if this monstrous of a weapon exists, is that really going to help? And again, there's a such thing

as radiation poisoning. There are very large bombs. But again, once again, I think this is another one of these deceptions to keep people in a constant state of fear. To depend on man, right, to depend on the government. I got to pay my taxes otherwise, how are we not going to be able to protect ourselves from these Russian missiles? Right? And

the same thing with heliocentrism. Once a month you can look on the news, just go to Google and yeah, use Google for this and just put in meteor or something and you'll see stories over the last year or how a meteor pas within ten thousand meters blah blah blah. Right, it's just it's to lie to us and to depend on the government, which we know who

they serve. Yeah, I think it's possible that we may face Yeah, I don't know if you know, nukes as we're told, nukes exist, exist, and I do know there's been some major nuclear testing in you know, the fifties and sixties, right, But I don't know. I don't know if if they will actually get used. A lot of people think that the abomination that will make desolate, that's talking about nuclear weapons. I think it's possible, but then like, yeah, I'll put a stop to it,

and that's why he comes down or something. But I think it. I think the bigger threat personally is I think the bigger threat is genetic changes. So because if so, well, that which will make desolate the um, the person inside the person um. So we're created in whose image, we're created in them of God? Right, so if we stray from that, we stray from the image of God. And I think that's what the

you know, the Mark of the Beast is talking about. I think that it's possible that when this abomination takes place that Um, people will change genetic markers and they will become in the image of the beast to um to fulfill their carnal desires. That's literally the what it means to be beast like. You look at the King of Oh Gosh, who was the king of Babylon

in Daniel's day. Um, by anyways, he became beast like, and just the ideas, you'll fulfill all the desires of the flesh and and you stop being in the image of God, you know, which is to subdue those carnal desires and live according to the spirit, which is the instruction that's given to us from the beginning in the stars. That's a great point. That was an agud nezar, right yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. You know, that's a great point. Obviously when you talk about genetics.

That was a reason that God flooded the earth the first time, right, because they were mixing with the nephelum right yeah, yeah, I'm mixing. God hates mixing. Yes, let me ask you this, Um, and again restrain a little bit, apologize, But do you think, um, you know, these recent shots have anything to do with altering DNA or do you think this was more of conditioning for down the road when the real one comes. In Ano, there were some studies that said it changed DNA.

I don't know if it changed it in a significant manner, but I think it's a precre I think it was. It was really just to shut down the world. That was the whole thing. It's kind of like nine to eleven. They wanted to moderate airline travel and stuff like that. So I think that this um the jabby jab was a It's like a precursor, and it was what's it called, um? I always call it condition a conditioning. Yeah, yeah, I think it might be necessary for what's to

come. Who knows, I don't know. You might have we might have had to. They might have had to do that in order to allow your body to accept what's to come later as well. I don't know, no clue, dude. Yeah, all of this is, you know, conjecture and hypervole as they say. Right, we're just having a conversation and tossing thoughts around. But I really admire your knowledge of the Bible, and more people, including myself, should to strive harder to read the book. I

wish this old brain would remember things better than it does. UM. But again it's very important, and I'm guilty included as to when I do research for these things, I honestly should include the Bible more, not just you know, uh, the various websites and papers that I used to research. Because you've made many points, UM, including one I have and I've read a lot, but Proverbs eight twenty nine I don't recall reading. And that's

pretty powerful. And Um provides biblical evidence that could be conceived as being UM talking about Antarctica. That's that's great point. Well, Bible talks about the ends of the earth a lot. Yeah, yes, absolutely, And the credibility to Enoch UM, but I don't know, you know, there's not a lot of documents like, uh, there's not a lot of texts to back up Enoch. Um. There's some it was really preserved by the Ethiopians. But Um, it is the most quoted book in scripture. You know,

even Issue himself quotes Enoch, so it has some credibility. I think everybody should read it, um with a bit of skepticism. But Enoch does talk about the end of the ends of the earth being a cold place and

with chasms and things like that, so it's really interesting as well. UM. Other problems that I think that Christians and anyone else who believes in scripture of the Bible um conveniently tend to ignore is that God rolls up the stars like a scroll, you know, Um, yet the earth remains right um. It also talks about stars falling from Heaven to Earth. You know, the Antichrist is the worst of the least of your worries if the Adromedius galaxy

is coming towards the Earth right um. And And here's here's an interesting one. In Joshua ten twelve, God stopped the sun and the moon during Joshua's battle with the Amorites. And it says at that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the amorrights over to the sons of Israel, and he said to the set in the side of Israel, sun

stands still at Gibbeon, and moon in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jasher The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about the whole day. So can you imagine according to the heliocentric model, like everything would have to stop, stopping everything, you know, people would have been flying off into

outer space. You know, they would have been backwards meteorites. That's insane. Or is it just possible that he stopped the sun in the moon like it says it's a major issue that's conveniently ignored. Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of things in the Bible that are just conveniently ignored like that it is, and the power of this deception, Like, I mean, I'm best friends. It's been forty years this September since I've known this

guy. We met in nineteen eighty three in high school and we've known each other ever since, even when I was in the army. We had letters. I mean, and he's a very religious guy. But when he tried to relay these thoughts to him, even with biblical passages, they still won't accept it. And I'm not saying that, I'm trying to make sure I say this right, because right, this is something that we talk about a lot us at homeschool. So the curriculum, to me, is very important

and I wish there was a way. This comes up every podcast, and I guess now would be the time to segue for it. I don't mean to pass the buck, but how do we do a better job? And obviously getting people to take scripture for exactly what it is is the proper way to go. But I know all of us go through this when we realize heliocentrism is a lie. We all have different versions of the air quote flat Earth, biblical Earth, etc. But how can we at least get people

to acknowledge the lies of Satan's heliocentric model. I mean, you're doing it, George. I mean this is the best way to do it is conversations and talking to other people around across the earth, I'll say, and encouraging people who listen to this podcast to do the same. And my wife and I are planning to homeschool our daughter fantastic season, you know, and as we do that, I mean we're already teaching her like you know, school

teaches this. You know this movie is showing you this, but here's what the Bible says, etc. That's why, I mean, that's a big reason why I dove into scripture so much. About the cosmos and the way the Bible describes the creation to be is because I want I don't want to

be teaching or something that I can't find in scripture. You know, That's kind of my crux right there, Like it needs to be there otherwise, like I feel weird telling her, like, you know, the earth is flat, but I have no basis for saying that unless I can prove it in the Word of Truth, in the Word of God. Right, So yeah, I think it's important to have a curriculum for kids because I was totally deceived about it. Sure, I was totally believed in space and stuff.

And I don't know, man, I think that we're talking about mixtures and how God doesn't like mixtures, right, And I think that there's a problem when when Christians believe in and I'm not talking about people, but Christianity in general, whatever that is, whether it's Catholics or even just I don't know what a Christian really is. But if we if we live in an infinite universe yet believe we live on a young Earth, those two things don't

jive. No, And neither does denying evolution yet accepting heliocentrism. Those two cannot mix, like unless you think God was attempting to confuse us by making things look one way, but they're actually not that way, like our God, Like I said, our God is not a god of deception, but Nasa is. It literally means deception. In Hebrew Nasha, Nasa means deception or destruction. And you can find so many times when Nasa has deceived us.

So why do we trust them? Makes no sense to me. You're you're, we're we gotta have some synchronicity night, because I was looking at your email and that was literally the next thing I was going to go into. You wrote. In Hebrew Nasa or Nasha literally means deception. They can't

be more obvious, and you look, which you can. Actually it can be more deceptive because if you look at NASA's logo, it's literally a serpent's tongue and some people even say that that, you know, that little circle thing going around the a in the suh is the snake tasting it, chasing its tail um. Yeah, and they called their rockets Apollo. You know who is the Antichrist? Who is the deceiver? Apollyon Apollo? Like literally

their names give them away. It's it's it's that straightforward. It's like if I called myself liar, Hey, trust me, my name is liar. It's crazy. I don't understand it yet. We put all of our trust in NASA and ignore the word of God. You know, I may have to to um give up my podcast because I'm I put NASA into my computer and it turns out there's a new study that uranus is large, moons may hold water. So there you go. We were wrong. Oh man,

the anus holds water? Huh? How do they come up with these things? Are they fed it? And people? Just I mean and again people again. I was in a very large organization as well, compartmentalization and the steady people always gets transferred in these large organizations. But I mean, who feeds them this stuff? My goodness? Yeah, And like I said, like them. The whole Bible is written through the lens of creation. And if you can take out the foundation of the Bible, then you can.

This is why. This is why people who believe in science or people who are non religious, right, this is why they think Christians are big dumbheads because they're like, hey, like you think that this and this jive, but they don't you think the Earth is six thousand years old, you're so

dumb, you know, things like that. It's like I would kind of I'm not trying to Disneyboddy because I used to believe the same thing, but it's like that is kind of dumb, you know, it's kind of dumb to think that the Earth is six thousand years old, yet believe we live in a vast universe that's ever expanding, and conveniently we don't see new stars because they're traveling at the speed of light away from us, and so on

and so on. Then the amount of excuses, man, Like I said, the entire Bible is written through the lens of creation and the logos, like the word that was in the beginning, the et, the Aleph, and the top that's literally a marker that's in Genesis one. There's two markers that don't translate into any other language. There's an et in there. It's

like, what's that doing there? I don't know. Well. In Revelation, when Yeshia is giving revelation to John at the Island of Patmos, he says, I'm the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. No, it's interesting about that, Like he's not speaking to John in Greek Greek, is he's just John is just writing it down in Greek. So what Yeshua is actually saying is I remember that et that's in Genesis one. In Hebrew, I am that, I am the Aleph and the Tov.

I am the beginning in the end, and the cool thing. He's like, I'm at the beginning. And then he was crucified on a tov, on an ancient tov, and he says it is finished. So he's literally the bookmarkers on the plan of redemption in the scriptures. And it was all written from the beginning in the creation, and the way that the odiot, the language of the Hebrews worked back then, it was all founded. It

was all founded in the creation. So like you'll have like a seed, and it looks like a seed, and that was a word or a letter. There was the alph right, which was the head of it looks like an ox head, and the Aleph is the strong, the head of the house, the things like that, and so like all the English, all the Hebrew language was founded in creation. So it could not change, it could not be tweaked. It couldn't it couldn't be deceptive because everything about it

was grounded in what is reality? And now we have words like that we just make up, like what was the word we use dimensions and stuff like that. It's like, oh, because we live in a using this language that is not grounded in reality, right, We're able to make stuff up, stuff that doesn't exist, so we can be deceived and then we ignore the things that do exist. And oh man, it drives me crazy. And it's interesting when you actually break down the word dimension, it says it's

a measurable extent. It's got to be measurable, and these type of things. And again, I'd love to go back and listen to Jordan Maxwell again the whole thing, how words are broken down and how they can be misused as well, how they're hijacked, Like many of the things have been hijacked

from us totally. It's man, what do you think are the Actually I want to mention this as well, because I mean that we're talking about the creation, and we're talked about how Abraham and there's there's so many other things that are correlated with that, and like the New Jerusalem has like twelve gems or gates. These are the signs in the heavens, right, there's twelve pines in Jerusalem. There's there's things like that where it's like, okay,

so does it. I do think that there's twelve months. I think that that thirteen months thing is it's convenient to like twenty eight day cycle mid cycles and whatnot, but the twelve is a very important number of the Bible. Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, and then uh yeah, I don't know. What do you have any other thoughts on you know, how creation correlates with language. I mean, that's a huge topic, I think, but I don't I don't know if it would just benefit the conversation or not.

I don't know. I mean, if you'd like to spand on it, please, by all means no good, I'm good to move on. Okay, But h yeah, I think that what do you think is the best? I mean, I hear you ask people this, but what do you think are the best flat earth proofs? Well? I mean, and again we get I don't want to use the word confused, but there's disproving the curve, and then there's proving flat earth. Now, disproving the curve has been done time and time again. We can see too far that is the

biggest one. The other one for me, obviously, is water. That the fact that you think, or even I used to think too, right, I'm not. I don't like to be the holier than now. But the fact that many of us still today think that water can stick to a ball is just really ludicrous. But gravity, Yeah, but gravity, um, and I point out immeasurable thing we can't measure at all. Yeah, Isaac Newton saw an apple fell Duh, how could you not know there's gravity?

How else could it would have fallen? Right? It is absolutely many of them are like that though. It's just ridiculous. But you know, really, the reason that so many people are afraid to get out of their comfort zone is because of conformity. Nobody wants to be that guy by the watercool and have at this conversation because he's Look. I get so many emails every day and they're all the same. Where are when you wake up? And when I use that term, obviously everybody knows what I'm talking about.

When you come to realize that most of everything that's out there is a lie, you become isolated and many of the emails I get start out the same way. I'm I woke up X and X. You know, they tell me a little bit about their awakening, and you do lose friends. But you know, it takes you know, it takes bravery to stand by your convictions and not to be the one to conform. Just like in high school. Remember when you're in high school and you had the pressure bro smoke a

cigarette. You'll be cool, right, You had those pressures every day in high school. They don't go away, they just change, and a lot of them have to do with with like your moral compass. And again, coming out as a truther is one of the most difficult things to do because they have people have been conditioned their entire life since they were a day old

to believe two things. That there's a guy who's anagram is Satan in this red suit that flies around the world and gives all the children presents on December twenty fourth, and that we are on a ball, right, And then when they hit about eight or nine, they're told one of them was a lie. But your trust us, you're you're on a ball. So there is something to conformity and having the wherewithal and the courage to stand by your convictions. And you know, the other truths out there like nine to eleven

and those things they do take some courage. Because I've been deplatform because of my other podcast, but flat earth is a whole new level. And that's why I actually had to come over here and do an entirely different podcast, because every single time I would bring it up, whether I was on a radio doing my radio show or on a podcast, I knew, I mean, you say anything bad about Trump or you say anything about flat Earth, my email is going to be full the next day. And it got a

little old to me. I'm human like everybody else, and it wears and tears on you. So I said, I'm going to start this old separate podcast, so hopefully just people who are interested in flat Earth we'll join us. And I'm kind of shocked at nothing wrong with Trump? What right? And you know, number one, I'm shocked at how many people. There's a lot of people out there who are on board, and that's fantastic,

But listen, it does take courage to stand on your beliefs. And if you look, there's so many stories in the Bible of people who stood by God's word and were ridiculed, They were trivialized, and some of them were even killed. You look at Shadrach Meshak and a Bidnego. They stood by their convictions. They were stuck in a fire and God stood by them. That's conviction all God's, you know, stand by the truth if people think

less of you or make fun of you. And I always tell people that I've lost lifelong friends over this journey in truth, people who I served with for fifteen years in combat, not fifteen years in combat, but I served within fifteen years and we've you know, that's tight friendship. But when I start to talk to them about that, they thought I was nuts. And you don't hear from him much anymore. But at the end of the day, are they really your friends if they don't stand by you through Everything's that

was a lot. I'll shut up and let you talk for a minute. Oh no, no, it's awesome. I think that, man, I do have a question. I'm like trying to figure out how to relate with family and friends like people call them normis right, people who are normal, because you know, I'm pretty normal as well. I just at the same time, I'm no longer interested in the normal stuff. I'm not interested in

politics. I know that it's all rigged, and that you know, all the presidents are related to the same British king and all these things, like it's all decided beforehand anyways, And they used to be able to deceive us by making us a part of the deception. But now it's like, oh, it's rigged too much now where people are noticing, right, And that's

why I think we're we're coming to the end of it soon. But yeah, how how do you relate with you know, people who don't like shun you or don't write you off necessarily, but like don't really want to talk about the flat Earth? How do you hang out with them? Well, most of them, it's just my family, and I know my limits. Every every now and then, I'll test them. When I meet new people.

One of the first things that I always do is I test. I'll drop a few nuggets and just to see how they react to them, and if they seem interested or keen, or they've been down that road before, I'll expound on the conversation. I've always been someone over the last few years

who has left breadcrumbs though. I'll have a conversation with someone and somewhere within the conversation I'll say something about depending on the subject, I'll try to relate it to something where I've studied in the truth and just to see to get

a reaction, but hopefully where I've planted a seed. And then after we've had the conversation, they pull out their smartphone and kind of do a little research into what I've said, because I can tell when I drop a little nugget and when I see their right eyebrow go up a little bit, that

I've planted a seed. But at the same time, I've learned that obviously, and this is something I was guilty of when I first fully embraced quote unquote flat Earth, I was very eager to share it, and I didn't realize, like I'm sure a lot of people that obviously other people aren't so apt to embrace it the same way that we do. What do you mean, I'm crazy? It's right here. How can you not see it?

And you know, yeah, going back to bart Sobrel, you know, here's a guy who worked for ABC and he had done documentaries before and he just happened to come upon the moon landing picture where he's standing there next to the flag and there's like shadows going in four different directions. And this guy is someone who's worked in production for I guess at that point a decade,

and he's like, wait, wait, wait a second. If there's one source of light in the sky, why are their shadows going in all these different directions. And this is just the logic that we need to take. And again, I think instead of normi's I want to start using the word conformist because people just want to conformed and be a part of the group. They want to you know what I'm saying, yea, And people like Bart who it takes a lot of courage to go up to someone who was heralded

as a hero an astronaut, right and call him a fraud. It takes a lot of courage. And these are I'm not saying everybody needs to go

find an astronaut and call him a fraud. But in order for us to wake more people up or show people God's word, we have to and I've been saying this for years, we have to get out of our normal comfort zone and not be afraid to discuss these things, but also be well versed and understand what we're talking about, because you don't want to go to try to present something to somebody and then stumble and not have any be able to

cite anything. It takes practice, but I just started calling them aquanuts. Aquannot that's fantastic. Well there's that little there's that TV show for the little kids. It's called Aquanuts. So people know what that is. They're like, oh, aquanuts. They're yeah, yeah, the aquanuts that work for NASA. They're like, wait, what you mean astronauts? No aquanuts, right, I've never heard of that. Is that a children's TV show or something? Yeah? There, it's actually kind of fun, although it's very

propaganda filled. Um, but yeah, they're like these little animals that are they they're in a submarine. Basically, they're underwater astronauts basically. That's interesting. Yeah. Sometimes they tell the truth, you know. Yeah, so they have to they have to tell the truth when they lie. I think they have to tell the truth in some manner while lying in the other manner, like like their names for instance, like they're called deception. But yeah,

they didn't use that word deception. They use NASA instead. Yeah. I had another question because I'm still learning it, right, So, what do you think shooting stars are that? You know that is one of the top ten questions I get, and that is David Weiss has some pretty good videos on and again, this is one of those things we can't explain anything. There was that weird thing from twenty four team that happened in Russia. We obviously see. I've seen them in my eyes, and I've seen them

in the desert where it's amazing to see these things happens. I don't know what these phenomenon are. Yeah, I see them all the time. I tend to think that they're angels up there moving around, because I think angels are the spiritual realm is is a bit different than here, and but I have no clue. I just wanted to hear your thoughts because I think that without understanding that there's a firmament up there and that there are, you know,

other beings, spiritual beings that exist above our heads. When you understand that, it's like, oh, well, maybe those are just the spiritual beings like shooting around. I don't know, that's right, and I see them all the time. Correct me if I'm wrong. But the word angel means a messenger, right, Yeah, but there's different kinds of spiritual beings in heaven, so there are messengers, but there's also like warriors, and there's also like worshippers, and there's you know, all kinds of you know,

quote unquote angels. Um. But yeah, and angelos is the word. I think angelos means messenger. Yeah, there you go. But yes, yes, stars. You know, I think a lot of people do believe that stars symbolize angels. So yeah, and they actually are over the stars like they they care for the heavens up there. I think. So when you see things moving around and whatnot, I think it's just like, hey, I'm gonna move over here. I don't know, I don't know.

I have no clue. Maybe they have little vehicles. Have you seen like UFOs and um, you know, the ones that aren't like fake if they're if there are any that aren't fake, But the way they kind of shoot off, you know, I think that those could be you know, messenger angels or whatever just shooting off. And I don't know, I remember the famous one from I don't know if it's been ten years or not, but the one that was shaped like a pill and would up down, left,

right and then took off. Yeah. Yeah, but the ones from the fifties that was obviously during the same time as they started the globe deception, so they had to have you know these and of course they hit them right. They wanted to make everybody more curious. How do you make people more curious, Well, you don't talk about them. You just put them, give them a little breadcrumbs. At the same time, they were pushing all the science fiction propaganda in the fifties. Yeah, totally. I have

no Yeah, but I have no clue. It's like I kee basking, like what are those things going on? The best explanation that I have biblically speaking, is just you know, there are beings up there, so oh, sure hears them. I guess. For a while, I was like, when I was going through this journey, like you said, it's really hard when nobody else is like relating with you on any of this stuff, and I just kept like praying, like I want to see an angel.

Like. But then I think one night I was like looking at the stars and seeing shooting stars, and I was like, well, maybe those are angels. That's that's interesting, that's an interesting thought. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it is certainly not you know, a star that has come from ten trillion miles away and just happened to fall is what they want you to believe, totally. Yeah, what else haven't we discussed up

specifically about the flat Earth? What have we not covered? If we talked about the firmament, which you did a tremendous job breaking down, and then we've talked about an Arctic and then we were talking about you know, like proofs of the flat earth. Obviously the curvature. Um. You know, maybe I could explain Sheol a little bit better for people, because yeah, that's tremendous. Everybody sees the picture with the firmament and then the Earth and

then sheel underneath. Yeah. So the Bible describes that Sheol is beneath our feet. And so I think a lot of people understand, like or have an understanding or believe that the Earth there's like hollow earth underneath of us and whatnot. Um. I don't think that that's necessarily like true, but it's also not false, you know. So I think that in scripture there's there's the world that's underneath of us, where you know, people go and they

die, um. And then there's Tartarus, which is beneath sheel where angels who have transgressed the law of God go down and they're they're spending their days in Tartarus until judgment. And so according to the biblical cosmos, Sheel is literally beneath our feet. Heaven is literally above us. And there's interesting stories in in scripture where um, I think it was Saul calls up Zachary from the ground using like witchcraft and he literally comes up from the ground and they

say, behold, and Eloheim cometh from the up from the ground. He's literally right coming up from Sheol as a spirit, right, and then he's like, why did you call me up here? Like this is transgressing the law of God, Like I'm not gonna help you out, you know. So it's always like interesting stories like that, But basically, Shiel is the

place, it's the resting place. And David goes to Shield. Jacob said, he goes to Siol, He'll be going to Shol like And depending on whether or not you believe that we're in if you're a Christian, you might understand this term millennial reign, which is nowhere in the Bible. But if you believe we're in that that time frame, then you might think that people are up in heaven with the Lord right now. But if we're not in that, then people still go down to Shiel and wait to be resurrected in

the last day. So that's basically what Sheol is. It's just a resting place for the dead. And I don't know. I think people like, if God wants people to be awake down there, they can be, but I think most of them are sleeping personally, and we're not. We're not supposed to go down there until we die, right, That's that's the idea according to the Hebrew mindset. Yeah, it's freedom is something into this. And they said Revelations twenty verse four kind of aired to a little bit,

but I don't really see the connection. Revelation twenty verse four. Yeah, that's talking about the mark. Well, that has to do with the millennial okay, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years Okay, that's worth of Okay, the millennial rain, but that that word millennium, I mean, so the millennial rain is literally just means a long time period. So people think like, oh, Yeshiwa died in roast two thousand years ago,

so we're not in the millennial rain. What are we in. We're in like the Church age right, quote unquote, And I don't think that I think that personally. I think we are Israel. I think that we are of the faith of Abraham, so we are of the sons of Abraham, as the apostles talk about in scripture. And if you have more questions

about that, obviously like email me because I think it's super important. So I think that this community as well as maybe open to hearing stuff like that, because you know, people are searching for truth and it's really important to

know who you are, the truth of who you are. So, um, if you have any questions about you know, times and and who you are basically in accordance with that time that's been written from the beginning to the end and we're in this you know final time, um, final till the end of the age before judgment, which might come at twenty four, twenty forty five. I don't know. Again, I'm not a prophet, but

that's what I think. So let me ask you this. Do you think the Gregorian calendar you don't think that was used to kind of keep his distance from the real time or yeah, totally was okay, but there are there are people who do a good job of correlating the Gregorian calendar with the years of the Bible. So, like I said, the years of Men are five thousand, eight hundred and eighty, and you can know which year correlates according to the Gregorian calendar. But yeah, where we're following. You know,

he changed the times, Yeah, he changed it. Yeah. It seems like everything they do is to keep us out of connection with God. I mean the heliocentrism, you know, the Big Bang theory, evolution, the calendars, and then you talk about the Illuminati. Obviously there is a knowledge that that folks at the top of the food chain have that they keep away from us like they I'm sure they do have many of the answers, maybe not so much biblical, but as to how the earth is really how

it works, and they keep that knowledge. I think the idea for them is if they can change the times, right, if they can change, if they can create a shem themselves, like a name for themselves, and they can change the times, then they can avoid judgment. I think that's the idea. Yeah, that's interesting, but they can't, right, But I think they're trying. That's the only thing they can do, right,

it's because they're doomed to be judged and destroyed. Yeah, And I think you know all the people on that side of the fence, and you know whether or not their characters on the world stage or actual people. And I'm talking about the you know, the Bill Gates, etc. I think a lot of the things that they do, especially with science, is they are seeking eternal life. And you've got Elon who all of a sudden, the people on the quote unquote right is their new hero. Is this the same

guy who wants to put a chip in people's brain. I do think everything they do is anti God and they are trying to get their version of eternal life, and they will accomplish it. That's what the scripture says. Revelations says men will seek death but will not find it. And this is why, you know, when judgment comes at the end of the age, it's really mercy like where God destroys them. I think because they found eternal life, but it's in opposition to the way of God, and so therefore they're

being tormented day and night and they cannot die. Literally, that's what it says. And I think that you know, the locusts, you know, when that's the part of the part where it's talking about it. The locusts swarm the earth and they're injecting people with something that allows them eternal life and they can't die. It's interesting and it's extremely interesting. I think they're drones like with you know, needles. That's what I think personally. Oh boy,

it sounds like we'ren't for a fun next twenty years or so. Yeah. I don't want to scare people. I think the most important thing is to have peace spiritually. Yeah, you can't. You can't really prepare for it physically. I'm not saying preparation physically is bad. I'm just saying that

spiritual preparation is far more important. It's important to know who you are, and it's important to know we're commanded to understand these things that Daniel's writing about, and these things literally Daniel says these things will be unsealed at the end,

in the last days. Well, if we're in the last days, these things are being unsealed for us to understand, and nobody has been able to understand them until now, right, That's what the Bible says, And so it's important if you want spiritual preparation to understand these things, and you can you can't understand them. There's a lot of people who do a lot of good work on this, So again email me and they go and let the listeners know what your email again was oil swims Live at gmail dot com.

There you go, oil swims Live at gmail dot com. Oil swims Live. And we've got about ten minutes left or so was there anything pertaining flutter that we haven't covered yet? I have like this list of like strange coincidences. Yeah, go ahead, I think it's it's kind of fun. This is the stuff that brought me to question. A lot of the stuff is that, like the moon in the sun are the exact same size,

Like what are the what are the odds of that? And the moon orbits at the same exact speed of its rotation, what's the odds of that? Like we don't see the dark side of the moon, you know, like it's literally orbiting us at the same exact speed speed as its rotation, or perhaps it doesn't rotate and it's not orbiting, right, that's a better explanation in my mind. Isn't an amazing Speaking of the moon in the sun, how sometimes they can see it seems so small and then sometimes they can seem

just so huge. Yeah, and I think it's atmospheric lensing. Yeah, depending on where you are in Utah. You know that there's not a lot of water in the air, so I actually get a pretty good a depiction of like, you know, how far away the sun is and whatnot, except the mountains kind of block it as it as it goes away from us. Um. But yeah, it's it's interesting. Um, what's your elevation were you're at now? Six thousand feet? Oh, you're up there,

My goodness. Yeah. And when I climb a mountain, there's mountains around that are like twelve thousand feet. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. I actually I'm a big morning hiker. I love hiking in the mornings. And when you go hiking in the mornings, you see how the sun is coming, Like the sun the skylights up like three hours before the sun even comes over the mountain. Yeah, it's you know, it's almost like it's being

illuminated by water in the firmament or something. You don't say. Um, I think it's a strange thing that the sun and the moon give off different kinds of light, even though they say that the sun reflects the moon, right, the moon reflects the sun light. Yeah. Um, it's a strange coincidence that there are there are no new stars ever. Ever, Like, well, if there's a bunch of stars that are outside of you know, our line of sight, shouldn't there light be you know, light years

and stuff. Every year there should be new stars coming into view. Well. No, And their explanation for that is, well, because the universe is expanding so fast at the speed of light, so their light never reaches us. It's like, oh, isn't that convenient? I just thought of that in the church lady's voice. Isn't that convenient? Yeah? I think another coincidence is all the occultic numerology and all the models. Yes, absolutely,

that's a big and there's so many. I mean, you're a numerology guy, and you would take interest in the Hebrew language because all the letters in the Hebrew language correlate numerologically, because I think they correlate with stars, Like I was saying, Yeah, creation in general, I've delved a little bit, and there is even if I remember correctly, this is going back a little bit, but there is even some Hebrew numerology in our mass marketing

here, if I remember correctly, the logo for Monster Energy translates to six six six Yeah, yeah, totally. Um. I think another coincidence is, you know NASA's model for the lunary eclipse, which I have a question, what how you think equips eclipses work? But NASA's model for the lunary eclipse is literally the sigil of Satan. Yeah, Like, you can look

up sigil of Satan and look up NASA's model for lunary eclipse. It's the same exact shape and it's it's not even the way they um put their model together is not even like size correlationally correct at all, And it's just it's just funny. They just they force it to be the sigil of Satan. Wow, you you google sigil of Satan, and my goodness, Amazon has a thousand rings, necklaces, and even pop sockets for your phone you can buy with the sigil of Lucifer. My goodness, gracious. Yeah, um

um, interesting, we talked about this. Another's coincidence NASA and Hebrew means deception. Uh, NASA's lies. You know, if we get into that they're the largest consumer of helium that's right on the Earth, the underwater. I ssh, it's a strange coincidence that ISS is the same you know, sounds like isis the queen of Heaven. That's right. And the shape of

isis as well. You know the most famous statue of isis. If you look at that statue and then you look up the ISS and you see the ISS above the Earth and the same you know, standing in the same way as isis does. Um, there's no picture of the Earth from space. I mean that's a big one. I mean the one that they have what is in nineteen seventy four and it's it's literally the window capsule. Yeah, but they're you think like people think that, but they're sending rovers to Mars

and remote control them from the Earth if you believe that. Okay, I put something out on Instagram the other day. You know, we get our images from like banks surveillance. But but but our pictures from Mars are clearer than our bank footage, you know, our images from bank footage right here in the United States or in the world. And I remember being I said this the other day, but people still won't accept it. I mean,

being five to six seven years old. We didn't have cable yet in the early to mid seventies, and we had antennas and we could barely get reception from like Philadelphia, and I was in We were in a suburb south of Wilmington, which again was like thirty miles so we'd struggled to get some signals in In the early eighties. My dad, he was in the National Guards

and he spent two weeks in Germany and when he called. I don't know if there still is today, but there was like a two second lag when you said something to when he heard it, and when he heard it to you, vice versa. Right, And we're to believe that in July of nineteen sixty nine they had just a swimmingly flowing conversation from from two hundred and you know, thirty nine thousand miles away people, But still people won't accept

that we just did not have the technology. And this is the only technology in the history of mankind. If if you all know something, please email it to me. But what other technology in our history has gone backwards? None? Us. So it's so crazy, man. If you good luck with life. If you think that they're remote controlling a rover, all the way to miles and it's just functioning just fine. And the documentary, I mean, if you see like any of the NASA documentaries and stuff, they're

all just horribly done. Cgi there's no like real footage. And if there is real footage, it's done in Iceland, right. And the Sea of Tranquility that's on the Moon is in Arizona. You can look up the Sea of Tranquility in Arizona. And they literally blasted craters into the earth and then it has the backgrounds in on the Moon or the same as the backgrounds. You know, they just blacked out the sky, right. And then it's

it's another funny thing like the earth rise on the moon. You know, if you look at where they landed on the moon, and the moon does not the moon does not rotate. It's always facing the Earth. Right, they landed on the face of the Moon, and they're saying that they see an earth rise over the moon. Like, just think about that for two seconds. It's the dumbest thing. There is no earth rise on the moon. No, because there's no rotation the Earth. The Moon's always facing the

Earth. So if they landed that, you can't get an Earth over the horizon of the Moon. That's not They didn't land there. They landed right on the face of it, so they say, you don't. It's interesting if I can that that Sea of Tranquility, and I guess it was in Flagstaff or Scottsdale, Arizona. Yeah, yeah, they closed it down, they yeah, big red permanently closed. It was created in nineteen sixties.

This is interesting. Listen to this. Crater Field one was created in nineteen sixty seven as a replica to the Moon's Mare Tranquilitis or the Sea of Tranquility. It was created in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, that's so funny. Oh my goodness. But again, just another dollar in the coincidence, jar, I guess. Yeah. Another coincidence would be Antarctica and how you can't go there and the names of the islands and how you know they're the navigation

systems don't work down there. They literally have to use routes and stuff. Saying it's funny, like if you think the Earth is actually a ball, like wouldn't there be like a magnetic poll on the top of the ball and on the bottom as well, Right, You would think once you cross the equator that north would go south right, Yeah, not so, but it doesn't work like that. I guess like the further you get from the center of the Earth, the uh, the less the navigation systems work. And

yeah, there's a lot with Antarctica obviously. Um, it's weird how warn't of von Braun was going down there in the middle of the space race, Like why why would you be going down to Antarctica in the middle of the space race. And they get moon rocks down from down there and they're actually petrified wood and stuff like that, which is another Nassa li And yeah,

yeah, I thought it was interesting that they even announced it. It was I think just a decade ago week, like the um astronauts gave was it Switzerland or Finland one of the rocks, and then they did a test on it and they're like, this is petrified wood. Yeah, like this liars exactly. By the way, you know, you're talking about Warner von Braun gone out there, what about the Germans going down there in nineteen thirty nine,

in nineteen forty and in the midst of their war. Yeah, well it's because they're trying to get through the firmament down there, that sky ice that where it reaches that they can't, you know. So, so an interesting thing happened. I was watching this like man kind of astronaut conference thing, and in twenty and seventeen, something really interesting happened where they took like buzz Aldren went down there and stuff, and they actually like there's a story

of they saw something and they were like it literally scarred their psyche. It's some interesting stuff, but it correlates a lot with them the Sign in the Heavens that Revelation twelve talks about with the Woman in the Stars who and I think Micah five also talks about that same exact thing which that sign happened in twenty and seventeen and they went down there and they're like they saw something, and it's like it's a really vague I mean, I probably wouldn't even be

talking about it because I don't know anything about it. But yeah, some weird stuff's been happening in Antarctic. I guess, well, I wonder if they think there's some kind of power with the water that's on the other side of the firmament. I wonder if it's something. And again, I think it's silly that humans think that they can actually can conquer something God created, But obviously they tried. If we believe the stories of the fifties, it

certainly seems to say. And why if if you think that there's water on the other sides, why the world would you want to destroy the firmament and wipe out obviously God. Once again, God's saying, you're not gonna Only I can say when it's over right, right. But it's just interesting when you hear about these stories and people once again, they don't put one and

one together. Why they do these things. But to be fair, again, when you went through school, do you remember any stories about Operation High Jump, Operation Dominic, and Fishbowl? No? No, they didn't tell us about those. Yeah, that's part of the problem. These things are conveniently left out of the textbooks. Yeah. Well they took it out too for the current curriculum, Like was it the nineteen fifty eight Brian again had

about the firmament in it. Yeah. Yeah, so they and other government sources they talk about the firmament, but yet they conveniently leave it out of our curriculum. And they put a globe in every classroom from the time you're you know, in school till you leave, you're seeing this ball Earth and if you look up have you have you gone m the True size dot com

that website you can see the true size of continents. So if you take Greenland, for instance, which looks huge on a globe, right, indeed, take Greenland and then you can drag it down and see the true size of it compared to like the United States for instance, and it shrinks. It's like the size of Texas, right. And the reason why is because you know, if you draw something on a balloon, right, and then you blow up that balloon, it stretches it out. And that's what they

did with the I see what you're saying. And then they made that they stretched it into a globe. And so obviously the things around the Arctic Circle in the center of the Earth are going to be a lot bigger. And they actually get bigger below the equator like as well a little bit. But that's also because they're stretching it. So, yeah, they're trying to stretch it around where the equator is. It's the truest part of it is around

I think the equator, and then up and down it starts stretching. The more north you get and the more south to get that is so ridiculous. Thank you so much for pointing this out, everybody. I'll put this hold on. Let me write this down. The words don't do this justice. So go to the true size dot and on the top left it will say the true size of dot dot dot. Just type in Greenland and then it'll like encapsulate around it, right, and then you drag it to the United

States. And when you're looking at the map, it looks like Greenland is twice the size of the United States. When you drag it down, it encapsulates maybe a third of the United States, and that doesn't include Alaska. Yeah, that's a trip. Yeah, it's because they had to stretch it into a ball, and obviously in the center of the Earth, things are a lot smaller because they have to fit into that tight space course. You know, there's not that much water there. You know, that's that's there's

not tons of water. So they had to you know, make it feel, you know, in the same amount of space as as it would otherwise on a ball. So, um other strange coincidences, let's see um flight paths, I guess would be another one. Yeah, that's a huge one

for me. And it's funny. I kick myself sometimes times. All the times I was flying Transatlantic, you know, going from the United States to the Middle East, I would watch, you know, they had to on the screen you could watch the flight and I'm like, why are we going up into a curve? That makes no sense whatsoever? And I never feel you're just going straight exactly. I'm like, why is this? Why why wouldn't we go straight across? Is it because they're afraid we're going to crash?

And of course when you look at the flight plass excuse me, the flight paths on a flat earth, it makes one complete sense. Yeah, it does. And done quite a bit of flying myself, and it's like it never made sense. I'm like, why are we going all the way there to go back down there? That makes no sense? And now it does. Have you had a chance to check out the book Sixteen Emergency Landings that put that proved flatter, I have not check it out. If you

get a chance there there you can find a copy on the line. It's a great coffee table item to have because you know, you look at the flight paths and where the emergency occurs and where they should have been and where they actually landed. It's really eye opening. Oh and George, I would say, you remember early in the conversation, it might be good to put a link to that, or even put the video six the first six minutes of the video of Michael Heiser. I can share that link with you.

Yeah, please do. He describes how there's no way the ancient Hebrews believed any of this was anything except objectively true. What they're talking about about the shape of the Earth is that's what they believe physically is the case. He's not like a flat earther. He believes that, you know that God was just talking to them in a way they would understand, I think. But he does recognize that the ancient Hebrews they did believe it to be this way.

And so I'll share that link with you and you can just I don't know if you'd want to share like the first six minutes of it, but he does a pretty good job. Yeah, just send me the link and I'll incorporate the link to the show description and people can watch a little bit or they can watch the whole thing. Yeah. Perfect, absolutely so, So everybody make sure you do check the show description. I'll have the true

size dot com. We'll have Michael Heiser's we'll have um oil swims live at gmail dot com so you can reach out to Josiah and much much more. It's been a tremendous two hours. And uh and again I am in all of your knowledge of the Bible, and I think while I was busy going back and forth, I lost You said it was Proverbs twenty nine. Proverbs. Let's see the one that preferred to Antarctica. Proverbs eight twenty nine assigned he assigned to the sea it's limit. Yes, the waters might not transgress

his command when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Okay, I thought I intentionally left that opens. There's so many verses too, man um, Yeah, that's great. How the sky's above are firm Proverbs twenty eight, which is right before that says when he made firm, which is the

same word they use for a tree that grows hard and firm. Right, when he made firm the sky's above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limits so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Well done. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. I'd like to give

you the final word. Yeah, I would just you know, if anyone's out there and you believe that the word of God is in scripture, I would just ask this, you know, ask this question, like what does this mean? Like why does this matter? You know, when people ask you why does it matter that the earth is flat? The answers not because they're lying. That's not the answer. The reason it matters is because you're

written in the stars. That's why it matters. And you're being like, we've all been deceived to believe some thing otherwise, and that's a major problem, especially if it is the case that we are coming to the end of the age right now. If twenty twenty was the middle of the week, according to like the seventy Weeks of Daniel, the seventy Shaboos of Daniel,

that it's good to be prepared spiritually for what's about to come. And I think twenty twenty three this is a shaboo year and it's going to be a massive deal in my opinion, and as far as I understand, this year is going to be huge. We had that bank failure that happened the night of Chabuot. That's no coincidence. Things like this are happening and they're going to be happening on the appointed times, So that's all. That's all I'll

say. Yeah, and we've already seen three banks fail, and we know what's gone on in Eastern Europe and China, and again it's there's a fine line between being uninformed and misinformed. Just try to stay true to yourself, stand by your convictions, and all glory to God. I think so much Josiah for joining us today. I hope we can have you back down the road. Thank you to everybody who continues to listen. Thank you for your emails the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. Feel free to stop in

the chat room at the flatterth Files dot com say hello. If you have questions, you can email me, but you can also go to the forum and leave your questions there. There's lots of people who will opine on your thoughts other than just myself. So for Josiah, I am George. God bless you all. Keep your head on a swivel. And until next time, my friends, we will see you