Episode 42: Flat Earth Conversation with Alex

You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Welcome back true seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files and standing by, we have a special guest who will be joining us in just a moment. Alex will be joining us from Cochran, Alberta, Canada. We're certainly having our guests a nice variety. We just had Lauren the other night from Australia, so we appreciate all the emails from literally from around the world,

so thank you for that. Before we kick off and bring Alex in, just a reminder, if you would like to join the program like Alex is tonight, please reach out. It is the flat Earth Files atmail dot com. At gmail dot com. Excuse me, this is what happens when you have to podcasts. It's the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. So questions, comments, concerns, or again, if you'd like to come on. I'm officially booked out for May, so we'd be We're looking for

guests for June at this point, and please stop by our website. We have a great chat room, we have a great forum, a lot of people with a lot of great information. A lot of listeners have been sending me pictures. I've been posting them in the chat room, so check it out. It is the flat Earth files dot com. All right, let's jump into it, Ladies and gentlemen. Alex reached out to me a few weeks ago and he's got a great website, which is I'm gonna bring it

up right here. It is KP Design dot c A. Check it out. If you'd like to reach out to him, you can go on the website and you can connect with him there. Ladies and gentlemen, help me. Welcome Alex from Cochrane, Alberta, Canada. How are you to today, sir, I'm doing great, George, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah for sure. Thanks, thanks for the email, and thanks

for all the information. And you've got some great stories with your family, quite a legacy, and talking to you briefly before the show started, you're doing a tremendous job of carrying that legacy. So please introduce yourself to the audience. Hi, everybody, my name is Alex, and I came up with this tagline this morning. I'm an inquisitive geocentrist and if anybody else wants to borrow that lit label so you can escape the stigma of the flat earth,

the negative stigma. Please use inquisitive geocentrist. That's that's a good one. That if we get a lot of recommendations, you know, biblical earth, and that's a good one. Was that geocentric inquisitive you're inquisitive geocentrist in and you can just play around with that. Nice So why don't you tell the audience a little bit about your awakening process and like where was flat Earth

in your I guess your hierarchy of awakening? Okay, So I would say that my awakening started pretty late in life, so I joke around that, you know, Santa Claus kind of got killed in front of me way later in life, so it was a little bit more traumatic. So I'd say when I was about twenty four, twenty five years old, my electrical schools teacher, just for fun, I don't know how we got on the topic, but he was asking everybody in the class to raise their hand to see

who believed in the moon landing. And I was the only one that raised their hand because I was the only one that I actually believed that went to the moon and that that was about almost twenty years ago, and that was kind of a huge eye opener to me that something so huge could be could be a lie. And then obviously, over the last two years, basically everything we've watched on the news, I would say has been a complete lie.

And anybody that you know disagrees with that, I'm sorry, but you need to check reality because these people are not telling us the truth on the news. Nothing is for our own good. It is to control us. So funny enough that you know, we're talking about the stairwell to flat Earth. So I started to get into jiu jitsu last year and I started following Eddie Bravo. This is kind of a funny segue in the flat Earth, but Eddie Bravo is a big jiu jitsu guy and he talks about flat Earth.

And I was listening to the Tinfoil Had podcast with Eric Dubey, Sam Tripoli and I think one of the Gracie family members were on there. I don't know if you've heard that episode before, George, Yeah, it's a very it was very interesting, and I thought, oh, man, okay, so I'm like, this is crazy. What are these guys talking about? Um, you know, I know math, I know physics. I'm not a I'm not a professor, but I know enough. I worked in

electrical engineering. I got this. I'm going to prove flatter the wrong once and for all, and away we go. I started the deep dive, and every hour, every like every minute, every hour that went by, as I was uncovering, you know, appealing back the onion, I just realized that the foundation that which we are taught on is it's nonsense. There's so much wrong, and everybody always asked, well, what was it?

And we can get into that, but just you know, the things, the lies that they talk on, you know, put on top of lies to try and convince us that we're on this like spinning ball. We are space monkeys that are evolving. And the more I got into it, the you know, the more upset I was getting, because I you know,

I told myself that this will be very easy to shut down quickly. And I hope that when I speak to people, I try to keep my passions down so that I don't come across, as you know, too aggressive or too assertive. I want people to be inquisitive and ask questions. And but wow, once you start digging, it's it's an amazing journey and I'm really grateful for it. It's actually like really revveed me up over the last I

guess I've been doing. I've been researching since August, and man, it's just like I felt so alive when I had this epiphany in September of twenty twenty two that you know, I had faith before, but this was like that cementing of God made me for a reason. I'm here. I have free will. The story of creation in Genesis is what happened, and the creationist story of the Big Bang, that's the myth that that's the lie that pulls you away from God. And you know, I had my Aha moment

that anything that's trying to pull you away from God is not good. Even if even if the world isn't a you know, a flat plane like they say it is, or if it's a triangle or a trapezoid, if if this community can get you closer to God, it is a good thing. And you know, I call myself a geocentrist now because I do believe in the story of creation. I look, I look out into the sky and

I see the sun, and I see the moon. And even yesterday I looked out, I saw the sun and the Moon at the same time in the sky, and you know, the moon is not being blocked by the Earth. I'm looking right at the sun like there's there's just so many things that we can get into that too, but there's just so many things. Once you start to like deprogram, you just notice you start trusting in your senses again. And I think that's what so much of schooling and the programming

does to us. It takes us away from our get God given senses. That is such an important point, and we talk about this so often, is people are more They'll they'll take the word of somebody they've never met before because they have on a white lab coat and a name tag versus what they can see here, feel in touch. And it's time to start, you know, start believing in the things you can see. Do these tests for

yourself. Some of these you can do very simply. I was listening to you as you were describing your awakening, and I was thinking of Alex in September twenty twenty two and thinking of myself, say again, oh, I thought you said something. I'm sorry. I was thinking myself the same way. You know, I'd read an article when I finally let my guard down to look into this and the process, and you start to run your fingers through your hair and you shake your head a little bit and you're like,

this can't be happening. There's no way. I mean, nine eleven is one thing, you know, the golf of Tonk and Kennedy, this, that and the other thing, and then you go it goes back to the moon landing at like you said, And even as a young man, I

didn't buy off on that, on the whole thing. And now as time moves on and you look at those videos from nineteen sixty nine, you can tell they were, you know, like a bad Godzilla movie from the sixties with the technology they had, and this is the only technology in the history of the world that has gone backwards. Yet people will still boldly come on we and again the thing they always go back to. Instead of look into it and trying to disapprove it, they'll simply say either a it's too big

of a lie. Too many people are involved. And I can tell you of someone who is in a very big organization, like the army. Compartmentalization is real. And when you were talking about the news and how everything is a lie, people will say the same thing. Well, how could they get away with it? But they get They give it away with stuff every single day. This monster, which is the government has turned into this huge octopus that has zero accountability that they do what they want, they don't care

what we think at whatsoever. And because we've never held them accountable, this octopus is only going to continue to grow unless we put our foot down right. And I think that so many of us, I think so many people need to realize that the atrocities of these lies are so poisonous and so awful, and we also have these like emotional attachments to them, like something so

incredible happened, How could it? How could it be a lie? Right, whether it's a good thing like going to the moon and man's greatest achievement, or if it's nine to eleven, like, how could how could humans do that to one another? The the I think this, these are the things that short circuit people's brains, and when you have people like us talking about it to them, it it cuts deep and they're not a lot of

people aren't ready for that, and maybe they never will be. And I really like what you do on this podcast is you do it very well with kindness, and you don't um make fun of anybody, and you don't um you know, you don't trash anybody for their beliefs because we all were there, we were all and and you know, I'll get emotional here, but when we all die, we will all come back together again. And you

know, to me, that's that's a good thing. Well, we'll know everything once we die and we go back to the source, and you know, this this realm that we're in, it's one of my friends was asking me, He's like, why did God give us free will? And or why did God choose to give us free will? And I didn't know the answer, and he says, he's so that you could choose God. And I thought that was like wow to me, I thought that was incredible.

And how hard is it now to choose God when there's so much, you know, depravity in the world, like sexual depravity and just all these horrible things, like all these things that are coming at us for us to consume, are are really meant to pull us away in one way or another, from who we are, from our senses, from you know, the good things that we can do when we go out into our communities and and you know, serve to make it a better you know, a better place.

Yeah, going back to what you were saying earlier in the conversation I had earlier today, when people say people couldn't do that out people think of the evil that things do from their point of view. And what you have to realize is people at the top of the food chain and the word you have to use, their psychopaths. They don't have their switch like we have right when we get angry, as we get really mad, we have a switch that Okay, that's enough, you've yelled, you're not But they don't have

that switch. They look at us as a number. And if you don't believe me, just if you're not familiar with the Georgia guidestones, these guys are eugenics. They want to keep the world population at five hundred million. They want you to believe that there's wall to wall people around the world. There's no room left for anybody. And anybody who's been on an airplane before

knows how much land, unused land is out there. It's ridiculous to think that we're being close to it. And they want you to think there's a food shortage. Well, the reason where there's it's not really a food shortage. It's just everybody depends on everybody else for food. That if the grocery

store is out of something, they consider that a food shortage. But this society has made people, or led people to believe that it's more important to have a pretty green lawn with no dandylion than it is to grow your own food. Right, And I've been saying it for ten fifteen years. If we all just tilled up our front yards and grew gardens, nobody would go hungry, just just with the just with the front yards, not even in the backyards. Yeah, it's funny. We have I've mentioned before we have

Amish friends. Um, their front yard is literally they use every square foot of the yard for food. There. Their entire front yard is just cabbage and celery and corn. Um that they have hundreds of chickens. I mean they utilize every square inch they do. They go to the grocery store for things. Sure, they do um our grocery stores in this area because we're in a rural area. They have the little hitches for their horses and buggies. Um, there's horsepoop all over the roads. Um, but they're the

most down to earth, healthy, loving people. We love interacting with them. The children are healthy, They've run around with no shoes on on the gravel. Um. They're really in touch. And I, you know, I look at him, I said, sometimes I wish I could just be like this, you know, just just throw all of it away. These people don't sit around at their dinner table and are you go about Russia and Ukraine and Trump and Biden. They're just not a part of that world,

right. I've been saying along, you know, since the pandemic started, I said, somewhere in the in the bushes is a is a hunter and he has no idea how terrified he's supposed to be. Yeah, he's just going. He's just going about his life. And you know, growing up my grandparents, I was telling you earlier that my grandparents are from Russia and they'd seen some hard times, going through famines and had they had been locked

in prison for speaking out against the communists. And when they came to Canada, the first thing they did when they got their house was till up the backyard and do gardens, and they would everything that they couldn't eat in the summer, they would can it and store it in a cold room in the basement, and to me, that was normal. And then my parents didn't

do that, and they kind of broke the chain. And now I picture myself going back to what my grandparents were doing and you know, being a lot more self sustainable indeed, and I can see that more and more people are wanting to do that. I got an email today from a young lady who lives in the development with an hlway and they're trying to take this to the board to get them to overturn having poultry. I mean, people, there is, for lack of better word, there's a great awakening right now.

People are start even the normalist of normi as we would say, are starting to understand there is something seriously wrong. I think a lot of people for the first year of the pandemic, they just took it wholesale, and then they continued to drag it out. In the winner of twenty twenty one, they told us if we didn't get vaccinated, we were going to die. And they've really showed their hands. And you can only lie so many

times. And people are waking up and I'm starting to see, you know again, people who normally would just go about their day and come home and have a cold beer and watch sports, or starting to be more concerned. They want to learn how to grow gardens. I get questions all the time about chickens, and that's great. I think it's it's it's really if if we want to change things, we need to start our own type of society and unplugged from that stop trading with you know, with Netflix and YouTube.

I don't. I haven't been on YouTube in over a year. It's like, if you don't want me, I don't want you. I don't want to have a relationship with someone who doesn't want me to be a part of them, So I'll go on Rumble or wherever else. So let's let's kind of get back to your flat Earth journey you had mentioned. Was there one particular thing that you may have read or saw that completely changed your course of

view on the flat Earth? Yeah? So when I started digging. You know, as some people give Eric Dubay a hard time, I personally don't mind him at all. He comes off a little snarky once in a while. I would I first would tell people to come and listen to the flat of files because I like the way that you do this, but if you want to check out like two hundred Proofs on whatever streaming service. I actually, because of you, I just bought the book hundred Proofs by William Carpenter.

I was reading. Yeah, I was reading that and wow, like seriously, everybody should have just at least check it out. And the Zetetic Astronomy I also grab that, So that's really cool. So okay, So one of the big things that that you know, hooked me was the North Star. I thought, this is very very cool that the stars are all rotating around the North Star. So what I did was I reverse engineered basically

the lies. And I don't know, I say this to as many people as possible because I don't don't think anybody can fathom that they want us to believe like these numbers. But like when I went to school, I thought that the Sun just sat there. But now they want us to know that the Sun is like a comet flying through the galaxy at four hundred and eighty thousand miles per hour. This is insane. First of all, this is insane. Everybody that if you can believe that, you need to snap out

of it now. The next thing was the convenient number of sixty six thousand, six hundred miles per hour, which is the invisible carousel that we're on flying around the sun. And then to top it off, we're also spinning you know, a thousand miles per hour or whatever it is. And to tell me that at night, if you you know, had a slow capture camera with the aperture set, you know, for the whole night, let's say, and you can see all those stars just perfectly spinning around the North

Star. But yet all these magical other things are happening in all these different x y z axises, and you still see the same stars every night. This is this is lunacy. And I was listening to I think it was either episode or eleven. I think it was episode eleven you were talking with Sean and maybe it was another one that basically they just reverse engineered the numbers for parallels, to make it convenient that the stars are always there. They

just make it trilliant. And I'm like, yeah, that's great if you want to get the numbers that you want, But that's not real science. That's fake there. You're hypo you're just fixing your hypothesis, right, Yeah, indeed, And Nicola Tesla. Nicholas Tesla tried to warn us before he died that science was changing. It was going from actually going going out doing actual experiments to math, you know, matth equations, and they would manipulate

the numbers to fit the answers that they wanted right right. So the next thing was obviously water. Water is amazing, but water is not so amazing that it can you know, curve up a ball and then down down the other. This like, seriously, people need to realize that this lie is so monstrous that that it like it's so easy to deceive us if if they can just convince us of something that's you know, we talk about physics, and I love physics. This is not physics. This is fake. This

is not real. And you know, I would love to have somebody just prove to us that the you know, you can get this concave water happening. I mean, you just look at the Zetetic astronomy book that I have here, and he's got so many experiments that show that this is preposterous. Like that's and that's what scares me is this lie is so huge that everybody's protecting it. That's terrifying. That's really terrifying that nobody can stop and and

just go against it. It's like the fact, it's like the foundation is built so strong on this lie, and then you have all these other lies on top of it, like the sun, like gravity. When when I heard that gravity is not real, my mind almost exploded, and then I thought, I have to I have to disprove that, like at least gravity is real. Come on, man, Like there's a gravitron installed in the center of this crazy ball that we're on. Like I got approved that the

gravitron is there. And one of the lies that I did see long ago about flat Earth was that you walk on this disc and as you get closer to the edge, um, you know, you're you'd be more and more attracted to the center. But that's just it was. It was so preposterous because they were making a claim how flat Earth wouldn't even work with gravity because it would just, you know, you just like squish yourself at the at the end of the at the disc or something. So they just use lies

on top of lies, and that really bothers me too. One of my one of my friends was asking me about the sticks and the shadows experiment, and I think that that only works if your son is ninety three million miles away, But if it's you know, local, then it doesn't, right yep, or vice or vice versa a thousand percent. And the thing I try to tell people, and again, this is something I didn't really realize until after I really decided to go into flat Earth and try to disprove it,

which, of course we all know. All it does is prove flat Earth when you try to disprove it. But dang it, where was I going? Um? Oh? Burney's so like before we were flat Earth, you know, geocentrists or biblical cosmologists like I couldn't tell you how far the sun was away from Earth. If you would have asked George from twenty fifteen, just if you would have walked into my store and said, hey,

how far is this? I wouldn't have said ninety three million miles, you know, if I if I couldn't google it off the top of my head. And it's the same with the people who won't look into it if you ask them. If you if you were to stand in front of a Walmart and ask a hundred people how far you know you're not going to get many people who get it right, they're not going to know the axis and all.

But if you ask them as the Earth flat, they're going to look at you like you like your mental But the reason for that is, and I've done a lot of looking into TV, specifically in the fifties onward. Every I'm telling you, I'm telling you, every single movie, every single TV show from about fifty five or fifty six on has a globe in every single movie, sometimes multiple And it's just it's subliminal programming. Is a thousand

percent of what it is. You've been brainwashed for your entire life to think that, I mean, that's unquestionable, like and it is. It's really Yeah, it's really troubling to me. So before I even became a geocentrist flat Earth, I discovered that the Mercader map is not accurate. And this really bothered me because I believe it was the Catholic Church or something along those

lines somewhere in Europe they commissioned this MerCad map. So it showed the more of the northern hemisphere being predominant, like Greenland being almost the size of South America. And apparently you know that's not correct, right, like the gall Peters map is you know, supposed to be a better representation. But obviously on the flat Earth map, you know, Africa does look you know, more more squished. And you know, to me, that was a big

m To me, that's a red flag. Is when you're commissioning maps and they're purposely wrong, that to me, that's not right either. Right,

you're misleading people one hundred percent. And again it should be noted that, like you said, this map, the Marcater projection map, this came out in the sixteenth century, the same time in Copernicus and all the other folks were really pushing this thing where you know, the Antarctic or Arctic excuse me, is on top of the ball and Antarctica is on the bottom of the ball. And again there's a lot of misrepresentation by this map. Great. Um, yeah. I I also was going to say that it's just really

really important for us to break this stigma. It's really unfortunate. I mean, it's it's on purpose, right, like you hear Obama talking about flat earthers and the Flat Earth Society. But I do want to give a huge shout out to my boy Justin Trudeau for you know, hyping up flat Earth and how fake it is, because we know that everything out of that guy's mouth is a lie. And if he's telling us in twenty twenty three, if he's got to sell the globe to everybody in twenty twenty three, you

know something's up. So I want to give him a huge shout out because if that didn't wake up a bunch of people, I don't know what will, because I mean, these guys, everything out of their faces is a lie, and it's it's beyond embarrassing, especially since I'm almost the same age as as this guy, I mean Biden. I mean he's like weekend at Bernie's. He's got an excuse, right, but I mean justin Trudeau should

have a few marbles left in his head. Yeah, that's interesting. Somebody from Canada just two or three days ago, like he cited you know, if he said this, then I think flat Earth has gotta be true. That's kind of how he closed the email, and I just laughed. I actually made a little video and rumble about that when it came out, and it's gone over pretty well. Something interesting. When you I'm sorry, go ahead. I was gonna say for anybody who hasn't seen it. Pierre Trudeau's

eulogy when Justin Trudeau. You can go on YouTube to watch it. So Justin Trudeau actually goes into this story. It might be edited or not, but he actually you know, i'll give you the Coles Notes version. I don't know if you've seen this, George, but he talks about taking this trip to the North Pole with his dad and something happened there and he had a moment where he realized, my dad is a very very powerful man for

what he saw there, and that was kind of the only hint. But I tell you what, that makes me really want to go check out the North Pole and what's happening there, because if he's going to drop breadcrumbs like that, that's pretty interesting. Anyway. Check that out for everybody listening. Yeah, I don't know if it mentions flat Earth, but I did find out Trudeau offers emotional tribute to former prime minister. So this would have been just a couple of years ago. Huh, Yeah, I guess so whenever

his dad died, the original communist lover. Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that his father was the prime minister back and that was it. The seventies and eighties. Yeah, in the seventies. There's a book on I can't remember what the author's name is. It's called Red Handed. He goes into discussing like Pierre Trudeau's a smart guy, like Justin Trureau was not.

But Pierre Trudeau was a very smart man, and he saw the potential in China and teaming up with them, and he started, he started something. And now his you know, Trudeau Junior is you know, carrying the torch for China, and they're doing all sorts of crazy stuff here. Yet to the point that there was a lot of reports last year there was actual Chinese troops training in Canada. And I do know for a fact that they their military college War College, did host some Chinese generals there last year,

okay. And I know that we do have Chinese police stations here as well, so that they can keep tabs on on their people, which is to me, that's just insane. I mean, I didn't want to believe that, but you know, who knows what you know? You might as well

take it for what it's worth and try and prove it wrong. Now, because that's the kind of world we live in where you and I have to be the scientists, and we have to dig if we want to get to the truth, because we can't trust these people anymore in the in their you know, fancy lab coats in their ivory towers. That's right. Something that

really resonated with me. In your email when you first reached out to me, you talked about having your revolver with the six silver bullets to either prove flat Earth or wake someone up. Number three is the one I'd like to start with, okay, and it's a big one too. And I encourage everybody to pause this podcast here in a second and look for yourself. Don't take my word for it, don't take Alex's word for it. Look for yourself. You can do Australia to Santiago, Chile, or you can even

do Sydney to um johannes in South Africa. Okay, what you're going to see is for me, like when I did Sydney to Johannesburg, they always stop in Abu Dhabi. From Sydney to Abu Dhabi, Abidhabi to Johannesburg or vice versa. I forget which way it was. If you look at it on a globe map, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It goes due northeast and then due southwest, and when you're accompanying making money and fuel costs as much as it does, you're going to take a direct route and that

makes no sense what's soever at all. But when you look at it on a flat earth map, it makes complete sense. Go ahead, Yeah, for sure. I think I haven't read the book yet, but it's on my list, is the Sixteen Emergency Landings. I think that's very, very important for all of us to read, because once I started, this was a huge Eric dubet a thing for me. I'm like, screw this guy. I'm going to prove him wrong. I'm going to book a flight from

Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia. And wouldn't you know it, it's there's no direct flights and on a flat earth map you're going from Santiago to lax and then you're going to Japan and then you're going to Australia. There are some exceptions though, and I have I have to confirm it. It would be great if we could get actual flight logs. I have seen where they you know, will fake um, you know this is hearsay, but they'll they'll say that you can do a direct flight from Santiago to Sydney,

but they'll end up canceling those flights. I've heard that. Yeah, So I can't confirm that, but it would be amazing if we could get some people, some pilots out there, you know, anybody that could get flight logs and you know, just confirm that, like you know, call us out. Then at least at least let us know what's possible, right, because you're not going to circumnavigate on the bottom of the globe, which would

be the easiest. You just pop up on the other side, like show us right, absolutely, And then your number two was talking about disproving gravity. Yeah, to me, this was um wow, Like I said, it blew my mind when I mean, it just makes it makes total sense density and buoyancy if there's you know, gravity. To me, when I was taking physics, it was a convenient number for us to just calculate weight. It's nine point eight one per second square. It's an acceleration of you

know, you can get your terminal velocity whatever. But still, I mean, for you know, like you have this gigantic ship in the in the water and you have a pebble, and like so density and boy and see or buoyancy is more powerful than gravity, right, Like you can have a pebble that will sink to the bottom of the ocean, but you the Titanic will, well, it'll eventually sink if it hits an iceberg, but it'll

you know, it'll float for the time being. Right. That's a cool conspiracy too, by the way, getting rid of the bankers, the bankers the other way, So that's super cool. So you know, we'll eventually we'll just cross link to all all the episodes. But um, to me, that was the most mind blowing just walking just walking around and realizing like that this lie is so crazy. But is it a lot? It's not a lot. It's a theory, right, just like the theory of relativity.

And when I was talking to some people online about you know, you know, going to the South Pole, Let's let's fly down in the South Pole. We'll walk around upside down, you know, on the bottom of this ball. Like how it's so simple. A child would think of it that way, right, But that's exactly what it would be, yea. And these people all they can say is, well, it's relative to your position. If you're on the bottom of the ball and you're looking up,

you're it up is up to you. I'm like, no, like you're over complicating it. It's it's honestly that simple. You cannot stand on the bottom of a ball and pretend that gravity is so strong underneath that it's going to suck you up. You know, whereas if we were at the north pole, it would be easier for gravity to do its work. Right, Yep, it holds us down, But a little butterfly can fly around with

no problem whatsoever. Right, And then when I talk about the speed of the Earth spinning, you know at the at the equator when we talk about gravity, so technically at the equator, it's spinning the fact that fastest, and we should wait less because we're actually like getting whipped off of the Earth more right, Like we're actually talking about physics and real horses. You know, if I'm if I'm in Canada and I fly to wherever Brazil, somewhere

somewhere in the equator, I should weigh less. That's because of you know how fast here that is not going to happen. We know that that's not going to happen, and uh, I mean, we could just go on and on like it's it's almost so simple. And it was right there, and you think, why didn't I think of that before? Right? But once, like I was like going back to earlier in the show. People

don't know these numbers. They don't understand these numbers that a bullet is flying eighteen hundred miles per hour and you're you know, we're rotating here one revolution per twenty four hours, but that computes too, you know six, you know, one thousand miles per hour, fifteen hundred, sixteen hundred kilometers an hour, like we're speeding, We're flying, like spinning at the speed of

almost a bullet. It's crazy. And then you have people who try to argue the Coriolis effect, Well, it works for bullets, but it doesn't work for planes. It's either got to be one or the other. And it was great. I had a bunch of guys reach out to me who are in the military and they verified, you know, it's just it's more the spin of the round that comes out of the barrel, which causes it to maybe go left or right depending on the particular boring of the particular barrel.

You know, they were flying well before GPS was ever around, and the only thing they would make a difference for is wind speed. Right, That's the only thing that they would make an adjustment for. Right. So Okay, before I forget, there is one more thing I want to talk to you, Yes, sure, and or there's actually lots I want to

talk to you about. But this, to me, it's like, Okay, let's say we can't let's say the let's say the Earth is a globe, but they lied, like they use their old old ways of figuring things out. But let's say that the globe is actually like twenty times larger and that's why all these calculations are not working. Right. But now they're so far into these inconvenient lies that they can't backpedal. And that's same and I

think that goes with the moon too. They created such a huge lie that it's this gigantic catastrophe now that they just you know, that to me is one of the biggest like disgusting inconveniences to actual science and actual reality is these make believe lies that they made in the past, and now we all have to suffer because they just want to save face. And with anything else. Once you lie, you have to continue to lie to cover your previous lies.

And that original lie from July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine has cost US hundreds of billions of dollars. Yeah. So I was studying a lot of Exodus during the pandemic. I was trying to figure out human nature. And as I was studying Exodus started to dig more into the ten commands. I mean, I knew them, but you know, I didn't realize how important they are. And thou shalt not bear false witness, which is, you know, basically you know, don't lie or you know in the these guys

like I've heard you've talked about, Um, was it is it? Bart Bart Strible? Oh? Bart Sabrell, Yeah, Art Sabrell. When he asked those astronauts to put their hands on the Bible and break that commandment? Um, they you could see how serious lying is, and especially on the Bible. They knew that they would be doomed to hell. As it is, they're living at hell with this lie. It like, provided they're not complete psychopaths, they know, like they'll drink themselves to death or or what

have you. But when you put your hand on that Bible. People that know how powerful that is. They know, like, just because you don't believe in something doesn't make it real either, and that law, that commandment is for real. So um, yeah, that that's my that's my take on that. That's how important telling the truth is. And once you take a bite at that poison apple and you just start lying and you're going down

that path. Um, you're you're you're hurting all of us. You're you're hurting eight billion people right now, whether directly or indirectly, whether they know or they don't know, we're all not realizing that God created us and that we're here for a reason and we're here to discover our gifts and share them with each other. And you know, um, on earth as it is in heaven, to do you know, to do the God, to do God's work before we go back. It's so it's so important. It's yeah,

yeah, that's a great point. You know, I've never really studied much into Michael Collins. I probably need to take some time and do more research into him, but I will tell you that Neil Armstrong lived his last thirty years or whatever. I think he died in the late nineties early two thousands. I mean, he drank himself to death. He was a miserable, miserable human being. He rarely made any appearances, probably in fear. Every time he was asked a question, he knew he had to lie.

And obviously, like you said, these people understood. I try to be you know, when I think about this, I hope that maybe they were bamboozled into it at the last minute, kind of like Capricorn one. You know, these guys got in thinking it was legit, and they got whisked away. And listen, if you're told, if you say anything, we're going to kill your entire family. And again, I'm just I don't know,

nobody knows. It's it's really nice of you to say that. But that being said, we also have the that footage of them, you know, with the window and they're flying and they're trying to get the right shot. Right. Yeah, they're they're doing the Hollywood trickery. Ye, so you know they know what they're doing, right, Yeah, that's that's that, that's true. I just I know you're trying to give them the benefit of doubt, and it is upsetting, and it's it's it's very upsetting.

But could could But could you imagine, Alex, they'll weight having that way. Could you imagine trying to sleep at night knowing that there's little children around the world that want to be like you, and you are the biggest fraud in the history of mankind. I would probably throw up every time I saw some type of a space thing or space shuttle, Like space Shuttle is another

one of those like ridiculous things. It's it's this giant, you know, jumbo jet that they say can fly, you know, twenty thousand miles per hour. It's insane. It is like that thing would crumble. So what is it? The XR seventy one Blackbird can fly two thousand and that thing is built for speed. Yep, that thing that's an incredible piece of technology,

built like not you know, thirty forty years ago. And yeah, it's I think what we're doing here is you know, really important to not make fun of people, but to just point out these things, even if we have to repeat ourselves, Like I always say, I want to come in with like some new angles and some silver bullets. But there's a lot that you know, it bears repeating, even if it's for somebody who's hurted for the first time. If somebody hears you and me talking for the first

time about this and we inspire them to go and just start digging. And you know, I have so many of us have imposter syndrome, right Like, if I'm going to start reading and digging, who am I to disprove Isaac Newton who came up with gravity in sixteen sixty six, conveniently right and right? And who am who am I to question all these people? And you know, the thing that I've come to realize is where none of those people are any better than us. Honestly, all these politicians, all these

faucies and stuff, these are just people getting paid. These are actors. We're all here on earth playing a role, and nobody is better than the

other. It's just a matter of how much you dig. I mean, the things that you've come up with in your episodes have blown me away, and people call it's so insulting to call you a conspiracy theorist when you when you can see in each episode how much time and research you take to connect the dots that nobody else will, that CNN will just tell you some crap, and somebody has the nerve to tell you that you're a conspiracy theorist.

To me, that like that actually boils my blood when I when I hear things like that when we're when we're just regular guys and we're doing the job that the people that we trust are supposed to be doing. Yeah, it's interesting. Um. You know, growing up Mike and father, he was very skeptical of the government. And you know, back in the day, there was actually a time when when they were actual journalists out there. I was taught as a young man that journalists were the unofficial, you know,

fourth arm of the government. It was their job to keep the other three in check. In this day and age, nothing is is further from the truth. They are just an arm of the illuminati, the you know, the puppeteers. And there was that documentary a few years ago that everybody watched during COVID where all the news they took all these you know, news clips from around the country and they were all saying the same thing. So that

really solidified Operation mocking Bird for me. If we can, if you still want to stay down this trail, but before we get off, I definitely want I ask all our folks and if you wanted to talk about COVID a little bit, because we get so many people who say that, you know, they really overplayed their hand and that was a large part of their awakening experience. I know we touched on her briefly, but I don't know if there was anything else you wanted to expand on. Oh yeah we can,

we can come back to flat Earth. We can talk about COVID right now. I think that COVID is a is a huge, a huge eye opener for anybody. My wife and I were proudly part of the Freedom Convoy where the truckers went to Ottawa. So my daughter, she sipped, skipped school. We had the signs, we were honking, and then we got in the car and we actually joined the convoy for about three or four hours. If I could have, I would have driven straight to Ottawa and been part

of that. I did talk to a few people who were a part of that, and it's just that was important. That was a really important thing for Canada, especially being so marginalized, and these people like had friends. I had friends even saying nobody's making you take the vaccine, and I said, yeah, that's true. I am self employed. My wife and I we work together. But I can't go to McDonald's and that's crazy, Like

I can't go to any restaurants. I don't know how bad it was in America, but the only place I could go was the grocery store and that was it. And that was for months, I would say, probably four or five months. And my wife and I we're maybe the one percent that didn't wear masks after a while. I wear masks at the beginning, just because of virtue signaling, just to show you know, I'm a I'm a good Canadian. I'm a you know, Canadians. We have a reputation for

all sticking together. But I think it's to our It's actually to our detriment because they knew, they know our culture, the you know, the people at the top. They know we're going to look after each other, and anybody that gets out of line, you know, hates their neighbor and things like that, and they can very easily manipulate our population in America. I like to think, you know, I was very disappointed in what I saw.

I thought there are a lot more freedom freedom fighters in America. You know, don't tell me what to do, uh, you know, I'll do I'll do what I want. Obviously at the beginning, it's great to be cautious, but you know, two weeks to flatten the curve. About a week into two weeks to flatten the curve. I just looked around him, like, this is the stupidest thing ever. This is not science.

This is this is preposterous, right, like it's it's it's insanity to think that you're actually going to stop this airborne virus and then being an electrician working with asbestos and actually having proper respirators that were sealed, you know, having to be clean shaven, and then knowing the micro on like particle size, and then when you hear about actual science of you know what a you know, a COVID particle is or you know, like a disease particle, and

these masks, you're they don't do anything. And it even says on the ball box and people are getting mad at me for like pointing at the box and warning them like you are. This is the false sense of security. You're going to a hockey game wearing a mask and you're you're thinking you're safe and then everybody's got COVID. Like, I'm sorry, I wish I could help you you know, I wish I could help you if they were only

seated six feet away from each other. Oh exactly. Just to watch the people on the news, that was ridiculous watching them, you know, watching like a Jack and Charles Barkley and those guys sitting Can you like, seriously, can you believe this? Like going to the grocery store and having the poor person behind this like plastic cage, Like it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. Restaurants too, Like it's I mean, how many ridiculous things can we

say that people did? And you know, is it? Are we laughing about are we crying about it? It's it's unbelievable what they got people to do. And I'm guilty too. I did. I did some of the things before. I was just like enough, Like it's two years and we're at three years, and I cannot fly into America. America, I think, is the only country that I cannot fly into you because you still have to be vaccinated to the fly in America. That change is in ten days,

sir. They just announced it today. Starting May eleventh, unvaccinated people can fly into the United States. Three years and two months later, Man well, I'll be coming in see you awesome. I miss I miss America. There's two things that I wanted to mention, to hit on what you just spoke about. Number one is the fear that they instilled on people. I mean, here we are, like you said, thirty, we're what

three years and change since it took off. And yesterday I was at the commissary on Dover Air Force Base doing my grocery shopping, and there's still a lot of people walking around in masks. M I ran into. I was

talking to our local pastors. We're in a very small town. We have two churches in the entire town, and he was telling us that there are still elderly people who refuse to come to church in person because they're still scared of COVID, which really that that when I hear stuff like that, that really saddens me. Sure, and you know what, I can play both sides of the coin. One of one of our friends, she got very very ill in Chicago and she had to go she had to be hospitalized,

and they put her in a room all by herself to die. She said that she got basically zero care. I think she refused M de Zevie, thank god, because thank God, probably would be dead. Right, That's like that's the thing that kills you, even though that's the only thing that's approved, And like how how insane do things have to get? So she literally prayed and you know he Matt somehow healed herself with you know, using the forces of you know, the universal forces and whatever whatever you can,

UM, and she managed to get home. But that that to me scared me, UM, because I know our medical system is not great here in Canada, and if you get into that hospital, you are in in very big trouble. So that I was, I was scared. There was and I could see through the lens of an elderly person or somebody that was um, you know, compromise with their immune system. And I had a lot of compassion for them, and I did not judge them for wearing masks or

or doing whatever they had to do. It's you know, you know what when you are blinded by fear, um, yeah, you will do You'll do anything to try and survive, right absolutely. And the other thing for all the listeners, like here in the States, UM explained to people what it was like, UM with the passport, you know, the I guess, for lack of a better term, where they called COVID passports um and

you not being allowed to go to a restaurant. And even here they treated people like my wife who wouldn't get the JAB at the you know, she was a nurse at the hospital, that they treated you like a third world citizen. And I'm not you know what I'm trying to say, you know, it's just what was it like for you? Man? Without getting emotional, it was it was really really hard to have my dad called me and after he had just finished watching the news and yelled at me for putting him

in danger, even though he lives in another city. Like that's something I'll just never forget, you know, that fear being you know, dumped upon these people, and then you know, are are you n team? You know, three jazz, two jabs, one jab, no jab. It was unreal. And then these vacs so we got QR codes here, like if you got the JAB, then you could go to hockey games, you could like start to get back to normal life, right. And I was openly saying that even if I got the job, I would never subscribe to

a two tier society like what they're what they're trying to push here. It was so orwellian, it was unbelievable. And then to top to top that off, we had an Arrive can app. I don't know if you've heard of that, but anybody flying into Canada would have to download an app on their phone Quarte yeah, and enter their information. And I'm just like, why are people obeying this? Like, you do not have a government issued

cell phone. You do not have to download their app. You do not have like if okay, if we were all in China and we had government issued cell phones that came preloaded with all these apps and we had to take them everywhere. Fine, but guess what this is in China. This is Canada. You don't have to do. You could throw your cell phone on the floor, stomp on it, and walk through those gates and you should be fine. Like you, it's very presumptuous that we all have smartphones and

we all have to download this crazy app. Like if that's not a red flag to get rid of your cell phone. I mean, I know I'm addicted to it, but that I mean, that's a scary thing, right, absolutely, And people should be very cautious of all the wearable technology out there as well. That's another tracking technique they use, oh for sure. And I was joking with our friends during the pandemic. I said, just leave your phone at home if you want to come and visit us. I

said, the government's tracking you. I said, I don't know if you guys have tim Horton's where you are. It's a coffee shop, but tim Horton's pings your phone about four hundred times a day to track your location so that they can send you coupons when they actually just gotta they just had they just had to do a big lawsuit thing. We're invading people's privacy. But the government also just admitted that they were tracking people on their cell phones and

and seeing like if they were obeying quarantine rules. So you know, it's a tracking advice, right, Like this thing is sitting on my desk. They're they're already listening to us, right They're they're gonna do whatever they want to do, and that's fine. I'm not going to censor myself, and you know, I would prefer them not listening to my conversations, even though

I don't have anything to hide. I think that what is it the it's the Patriot Act, Right, the Patriot Act is the biggest disaster in American one of the biggest disasters in American history. That you guys need to like, you need a militia right now just to get rid of that. Yeah,

that is the biggest infringement on our rights. But again, when when they perpetrate these things and they induce fear on the American people like they did September eleventh, Um, I mean, everybody who was alive at that time, you know, seven eight years or older, remember exactly watching that and the fear based mind trauma that was brought on the people, and the first thing, whatever it takes to protect us, right, And it was the same if you think about it, if you go back to even before March

of twenty twenty, they were doing subtle things. I remember right around the Super Bowl they were sending you would see videos of people in China just collapsing on the ground. And then of course they're bringing in these big ships that were going to be floating hospitals, which of course were never used. But it was a big Hollywood production and it was twofold. Number one. It was to take more of our rights. Actually could say it's threefold more of

our rights. It was to transfer power and eliminate the middleman. Of course, COVID didn't hit Walmart or Amazon, but all the mom and pop stores had to shut down. And then of course what did they do best and what is most important to them is to keep us fighting amongst each other, so it takes the focus off of them. You know that famous clip with Kevin what's his name? From A Bug's Life? I played that a lot. It really resonates with me, you know, UM, and it takes

the focus off them. So it was really a three pronged sword that is really devastating, and um, look where we are today. It's it's tough. Yeah. I think one of the things that really came through UM in my in my meditations this week was kindness and really, like I'll say it again, like the way you do this show, it really helps people, um, you know who who are inquisitive, who are curious. It gives them a nice place to actually hear all these different stories and opinions and and

realize that we're not the bad guys. We want, you know, our communities to be you know, together, we we want UM as few divisions as possible. I'm not talking about like the Tower of Babylon where we all get together. That to me, that's the one world government, right, Like, that's that's their all crazy, you know, you know, for us to all be different, us have all our different cultures but still come together and still be that ninety nine percent of awesome, which I know that

we are. But we're just so like their plan is so obvious now, they will do anything. That's why they call it flat Earthers. That's why the non vaxers like they will do anything they can to to split us up and all all in the end game, we're we're all just a bunch of souls and we're all just going to go back where where we came from. And if I can help wake up even just a few people, because it's so it's so important to look through the lens that you know, the people

out there at the grocery store, they're not your enemies. There there's people like like like you and me, Like they just want to have a good life, you know, life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. That's that's really what it is. Indeed, I think we can make our way back to flat Earth. I appreciate your thoughts on that. It's funny you mentioned earlier about Eddie Bravo. David Weiss actually put out a new video today.

Well, it's not new, it was when in twenty nineteen when he was on Info Wars, it was uh, Sam Tripoli, Um, Alex Jones, Eddie Bravo, and um, David Weiss, and you know, the whole time Alex Jones. I mean, Dave was really doing a good job trying to get his point across, and Alex was really being in a clown the entire time. Um. And I've said, I just did a podcast a month ago, and I don't ever there's people out there who go after truths all the time. In my three years, I've only made a

podcast about one and it's Alex Jones. And you have to understand, Alex Jones is going to give you the truth to a certain extent. He's not going to give you the whole truth. And I just thought it was really unusual and showed his wings the ultimate truth how he made it just ridiculous. The entire time. Dave was doing a tremendous job trying to present even Eddie was going after Alex telling him to shut up and to be quiet, but especially at the end when he was trying to, you know, give his

final words, it was really ridiculous. And I think it says a lot about him being controlled. Yeah, and that's something that I worry about. How much would it take to switch Eric Dubey and make him control off position, or how how much would it take to make you, know, to make you switch and become sure controlled opposition. I mean we could, like

even me, like, we probably all have a price. Like if they deposited one hundred million in my bank account, I mean I'd probably shut up too, But I mean, at least if we had this on the record, then I could go live in Mexico and still have a ton of guilt. But you know, I'm I'm joking, but I mean they can do whatever they want, right, Money's not even real, like and we all the road to hell is paid with good intentions, and we all. I know my path, and I know that I'm not on the wrong path.

My path keeps leading me towards God. So that's how I that's my compass, that's how I know that I am on the right track. Eddie Bravo is an interesting character. He can do all sorts of amazing things. He's a rock star, he's a comedian, he's a jiu jitsu guy. He loves to talk about flat Earth, and I wonder if he's controlled opposition too. I mean, he's super famous, he's got a big, big platform, and I just don't understand what Alex Jones gets from from hype up flat

Earth or destroying flat Earth. It's to me, it's the why, right, Why why don't they take it seriously? I think David Weiss is very smart and he presents everything really well, and I think it's detrimental when you go on a show like that where you know people are you know, don't

take you serious or they don't want to listen to you. And yeah, it's it's a shame because there's a lot of really good points and it's like everybody just needs that one silver bullet to make them to spark their curiosity to just start digging. I mean, I would say ninety percent of people are

probably too lazy. Like the only reason I started digging was because you know that was I was just all of a sudden passionate about just trying to disprove Eddie Bravo with physics and math that I, you know, wanted to exercise and next thing, you know, I couldn't do it. And I'm listening

to Eric Dubay, I'm listening to your podcast. I'm listening to David Weiss and and all you guys are making really good points and why you know, we might not be right about everything, and that's fine, but that's what I love about. You know, anybody that's not control opposition is not scared to say I don't know if I don't know something, if I don't know every single thing about the moon. The moon is magical. We haven't even

talked about the moon. To me, I think the moon is is even more important than than flat Earth. It's like, this thing is incredible. I I got laughed out of a room because I was saying that the moon has its own lights. But I mean, we know, we know, like we're we know what we're taught. We're taught that it's reflecting the Sun's light, right, But that's ridiculous. And think about how magical the moon

is. And if we if we had this lunar calendar that you and me had discussed in the email together, and you know, each phase of the moon shows us, you know, the month. The moon tells us the month, the sun tells us the time of the day. The constellations and

the stars. They're for guidance and for seasons and to let us know, like the sky is to basically our clock, right, And if we didn't have these devices on our hands, and you know, we just used nature, We used our senses to know one to wake up and when to go

to bed, Like how in tune? Like how different would we be as a species and how would we live our lives differently if we didn't have watches and we you know, like it would make sense, like the women's cycles with the moon, and like there's a lot of incredible things out there and they're being thrown in the garbage because we put a bunch of astronauts on there and now we have to live this gigantic lie. To me, that's an

atrocity. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think that they do a lot of these things intentionally, like going from a thirteen months twenty eight day calendar, which our systems are you know, used to, to all these random twelve months one has thirty one days, one has twenty eight days, someone has thirty days. I think it is to keep us out of

sync with nature. And uh, you know, animals they know they're up in the my chickens as soon as the sun cracks the sky, they're they're they're bouncing around ready to go. And back in the day before they had alarm clocks, um, people would wake up. They I don't know how they did it, if they had firewatch or something, but I mean people knew it was time to get up and they started their day first thing in the morning. They didn't always have alarm clocks, you know, through time.

So that's that's a tremendous point for sure, and I love you know, I'll hype it here right now for David West is app that flat Earth map to me, it's so interesting watching um the sun and where it is and high noon is you know hot high noon the sun is at the highest point of the during the day depending on the season, and then you have the tropic of Cancer and Capricorn in it, and it does the like the infinity sign the figure eight between the seasons, and I just thought, man,

that is so amazing and I'm like, I can't believe they don't teach us in school in physics class in grade eleven, and I remember this like it was yesterday, and it was probably twenty five years ago, which is kind of embarrassing. But I was asking my teacher how it could be possible that the sun is further from us in the summer and closer during the winter, and all he had for me was that the axis, and like,

that's that's insane, Like we're literally closer. And then I was listening to one of your other episodes, and I lived near the mountains, and I'm telling you, with the elevation, if I'm in the mountains, I'm getting cooked by that sun. And I'm just, you know, a thousand feet higher than sea level, right, so we're we're at four thousand feet, and if I can get up to eight thousand feet, I'm telling you where

you can feel how much stronger the sun is. Thank you for saying that exactly, because I made that point, like I think that within the first ten or twelve episodes of the podcast, where I had said when I was stationed at four Carson in Colorado, I remember we had a neighborhood picnic and it was like May mid May, maybe and it wasn't a particularly warm day, maybe seventy eight or eighty degrees, and I got cooked. I was out there in in just a T shirt, and I was out there for

two or three hours, and I got cooked. And then when you think in retrospect, we'll wait a second. If the sun is truly ninety three million miles away, would a couple of thousand feet really make a difference. These are the things that you did. That calculation to ninety three million miles? How many how many feet is that right? How many bazillions? It's it's people, we're begging you to please wake up, please, like these

numbers are ludicrous. The sun So another another big wake up moment for me with Eric Dubay is the sun and the moon, the ying and the yang, they're pretty much the same size in the sky. That's like, what what kind of a coincidence is that? Right? Like, that's impossible that the moon and the like, it's all there in Genesis. You open it up, page one. God created the sun's rule the day and the moon's

rule the night, and it's right there. And anybody that tells you that it's a myth believes that everything came from nothing, the Big Bang, Like that is the most ridiculous, Like, seriously, snap out of it. This is the biggest myth ever, the Big Bang, that everything came from nothing is so crazy if you just stop and think about it for a minute, Like God created everything, and it doesn't matter what professor out there says that it's wrong. They'll they'll meet their maker in the end, indeed,

and I feel bad for them. Yeah, And that's again one of the reasons why we homeschool, because they do push this stuff. And now school has become just a breeding ground for for these progressives and it's not what it used to be. They don't really teach critical thinking, and that is very very important to me. And like you said, Genesis one, chapter six or sorry, chapter one, verse sixteen says, and God made two great lights. Okay, he didn't say he made one powerful, all powerful light

that was so bright that it shone a reflection upon the moon. It's very very distinct to say that it is its own light. And it was so and a story. God made two great lights, wonderful the day one rule the night again the lesser because obviously the sun is more powerful than the moon, and it has its cycle, and it's just like you said, it is one of the most intriguing and most you know, glorious things that God made for us. For sure. It's a really interesting breadcrumb something that just

and it's so little, but it really excited me. Was I just looked up the definition of luminary and you go in there and it says a celestial body like the sun and the moon. So even under the definition of luminary, they will tell you right there that the moon has its own light. And I thought that was such a neat little breadcrumb that you know, they're they're totally going against what they say right where where it's this magic rock reflecting

sunlight? Like that's come on, guys, you know what's funny, Alex. I did the same thing. In the Oxford Dictionary. It says number one is a noun which is a person who inspires. Okay, right, iluma. But number two, like you said, it says a natural live I'm sorry, a natural light giving body, especially the sun or moon. But it has the little warning above it it says archaic. Oh geez, there there's the controllers right there. You just need an older dictionary then,

yep. Just like you know, on Wikipedia, if you look up flat Earth, it's got or on any of Dave's videos, it's got the big

Wikipedia warning on it. It's archaic, right right. You know, I know that we're not on the Fact hundred podcast right now, but if we could get into not today, but if if we ever did chat again, it would be so cool to talk about ancient architecture and how they harnessed energy, yes, and free energy, right, like Nicola Tesla is talking about that, the cathedral things, the things that they've covered up in history really intrigued me because I don't feel anymore like we are we are getting ahead.

We're it's almost like we're going backwards with architecture and it's uh yeah, it's it's almost like destimulating the way they're building our cities. Yeah, you know, we could talk about things like Actually, something that day brought up today that reminded me was the uh I think it's called the angkor Wat, which is down in Cambodia, not down in Comota, over in Cambodia. Um. It's one of the biggest structures in the world and it was built in

the I think the twelfth century. And again there's no way we could build anything like this today, right, or the or I mean just the Pyramids alone, how incredible. It's. Uh, you know, that's on my bucket list of things of things to see it in my lifetime is to go

and see the Pyramids. I mean, that's it's incredible. Yeah. I was lucky to see the zigger out of her when I was in Iraq, and I was very the first morning we woke up in Iraq, we were pretty close to where the Tigris and Euphrates met, and you know, I was all over Iraq and a lot of it's it's funny we called it this, but we called it moon dust because there's certain parts of Iraq that the dust was like baby powder and it was awful. You could never stay clean.

Every step you took it was just powder. Literally walking in six inches of baby powder. It was like, um. But yeah, it's there's a that was definitely a special feeling when you're around um, certain places like that, and I'm sure you would have that same feeling around the Pyramids for sure. And there's like where we live. I believe, like Lake Louise is a is a huge energetic vortex. I don't know how into those kinds of things you are, Like, I know, in uh Siona, I

believe it's Sidona has some type of energetic vortex there. There's a lot of I mean, there's a lot of tourism there. We were we were just there probably last month and it was overwhelming. But it's it's a neat area to be in energetically. And there's these different places in the world. I mean telling you, there's so many. It's great that we're having this great awakening because it's forcing a lot of people to reconnect. I actually believe that

our children are way more spiritually connected than we are. Even I feel like we're almost like having to d program and then get more in touch with our our spirituality after you know how many years of uh you know, propaganda on the TV and and those things. But yeah, my daughters they're very in tune with with the world and they can they can feel things very differently than us. And um, I mean that's an interesting subject too. Were you

talking about the Sedona healing vortex in Arizona? That's correct? Yeah, Oh you're you're in Arizona just a recently. Yeah, we drove Yeah, we uh we got in the car and we drove twenty three hours to be to go see. Uh. It was a great drive. You know, when you're locked in your house for two years, you don't mind a nice We love traveling too well. We don't like flying too much. Back in the day used to be a lot of fun. It was special to fly and

they it was fun. But now it's just my goodness, just like you're a prisoner on con air when you're gone through everything. Yeah, yeah, exactly, did you I been in some pretty bad airports in my day. Oh yeah, it's and the people today, it's just interesting people. Did you feel a particular energy while you were there? No, actually I didn't

because it's very high joke, it's very peopally like in Canada. If you came to visit us here and we went to Lake Louise, we could probably get to a place where there would be nobody and you could actually like be with nature and um, you know, really like sit down a minute tape with that and try and and try and have an experience where where we are and you know, not to Noxydona. We were where all the tourists were and we didn't really get out onto the trails and you know, try and

have those experiences. I bet you there's some amazing things there. And I regret not doing it. We just didn't have the time. Um, we were just more in the town. But I think I think it would be worth it. But I mean, I got my own vortex here, like not even an hour away, so nice. I can always do it. Yeah, and it's uh, it's beautiful here and where we are. What

haven't we touched on that? I'm sorry, go ahead. I was gonna say one of my goals this summer is to climb one of the mountains and then I'll send you a picture of as far as the eye, as far as the eye can see. And we were we were joking about the horizon being like a paper roll towel where it doesn't actually curve on the sides. It just kind of it's supposed to just curve over in front of you.

I just I thought that that was hilarious. Yeah, I'll be getting back to Colorado Springs sooner or later, and I definitely, well, we'll do the man a two mile and take a picture. It's just amazing. I'll make sure it's a clear day and we've gotten so many great pictures from people, and again, you guys can jump in the chat room and see.

Eventually, I need to make an additional page on the website so I can post them and put people's name in location where they're from, and they could stay there because obviously the chat room people are gonna type and it's going to disappear. But yeah, it's just that when you really stop and use your senses, you realize that, you know, it is unball lievable. It is just the greatest lie. And there's been some whoppers right from the moon to Iraq. I mean, the evil. There's so much evil in this

world. But it's good that we focus on the lighter side. And I've gotten so many emails that the flat earth, like you said, has brought not just a god, which is obviously the most important. But even with with family members, we hear with COVID you did, and I know I did. It was very divisive. It was a very divisive, especially that first year, and everybody was asking every just are you vaccinated? Like all

of a sudden, everybody's you know, medical history was public knowledge. People would ask me, um, uh, you know, are you vaccinated? And I would say, uh, um, what's the word. I don't know, I'm having a brain cramp of what's the word. When you're you're snipped, when you're you're a mail and you go get the operation, Yeah, I said, I don't know, if you've gotten a vasectomy or something like that, and they would look at me like yeah, and then kind

of I was joking too. I was up dating my Facebook status with I'm going for my colonoscopy today. But you don't just our medical status now exactly anybody. It's just it was. It was so irrational, the whole thing. But this does this is um. Obviously, if we could reverse this lie, I think it certainly drop a great veil upon mankind and people would

truly see the evil for what it is. But at the same time, while we are converting people, or at least bringing them in and allowing folks to hopefully just let their guard down for a minute to look into it, when they do, you know, come across the flat earth that is I'm telling you of the people are just great, tremendous people. I thought when I got into this, I was going to get mostly trolley emails. Everybody's

been wonderful. It's a great community. We all have our you know, varying opinions, but at the end of the day, it is just a tremendous community with great people and a lot of faith based folks and it's just wonderful. Yeah. I think one of the big points to you I wanted to make is the school system, the professors, the left, which is you know, communism. We talked about um My off air. We were talking about grandparents and how they're from Russia and they escaped communism. But there's

nothing the communism likes more than taking you away from God. And this globe I would say that the globe is a perfect representation of taking you away from God. The Big Bang theory takes you away from God, takes you away from the Creator. I'm no religious expert. I mean I love studying Exodus and Genesis and I'm still learning. But anything that brings you closer is good,

and anything that takes you away is not good. And communism. I always thought that communism was a conspiracy theory, that it could never ever come to America. And what we have been seeing is unbelievable what people are doing, and it tells and I always say that the road to Hell is paid

with good intentions, and I will keep saying that. And anybody who drinks the Communist kool aid, if you drink the if you read the Communist manifesto, it it's this veil and it sounds so great, and if done correctly, you'll live in this paradise. And I'm telling you it's all garbage. And it doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter what your opinion is. I know that it's garbage. It's a fact. Nobody can accomplish it correctly because

of human nature. If you understand human nature, if you study human nature, if you study Exodus, I mean, you can perform miracles over and over again, but if the people don't have faith, they'll just keep asking you to perform another miracle in front of them. And you know, I'm just trying to tie all these things together. It's just so important to understand human nature, why we do things. We're like the Trinity, right, we're spiritual, were of mind and we're of body, and so many of

us are lacking the spirit and realizing how important that spirit is. Our mind and our body are great there. You know, we're in this animal body on this planet, but our soul got put here, you know, to drive this body around and give us free will so that we can do incredible things. And I think that I'm just so blessed that blat Earth gave me this epiphany in September that I am actually special, like I was born for a reason, and all the things that happened to me or for me,

you know, helped me along this journey. But all along the way, I don't make excuses learn I learn from things, I build upon them, I acquire more tools, I meet incredible people like you, and we keep going forward and we just Yeah, how incredible is life that you and me

are talking on this podcast as right now. Like to me, that's one of the best things about COVID is I met so many people just from zoom And how how good are we at at connecting Now we don't even have to be in the same room, but you know, we can always stay in touch now and I know that we had that with email, but now things

are are just getting easier and easier. And I think that there's a lot of good that came out in the last two years and I will continue to hold that dear to me that it was that time where you know, we had to get stronger and we survived it, and now we are better. It's like we went through this insane workout and now we're just stronger and better and going forward we will continue to do. You know, God's work extremely well said. And when you were talking about that, you couldn't believe the

things that you were seeing in America as many of us couldn't. It took me back to G. Michael Hopp in his book Those Who Remain. He said, hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. So there's this vicious cycle. If you just look over the last one hundred years, that cycle is indeed good times. You know, you're you're just like anything else.

You know, the guy hits a lottery, he's rich, he doesn't work anymore, he eats and drinks all day, he's three hundred pounds, has a heart attack, he's back on hard times. It's a very vicious cycle. And that's why important in life. You have to try to keep everything level, never get too high, never get too low. You're gonna have good days and bad days, and try to keep everything even keel. And that that's kind of the mantra I've tried to live by over the last

few years. Yeah, and you build, you build. We are rebuilding our tribe right now, whether we like it or not. It was it was a crazy two years and it's and I think we'll rebuild our tribes bigger and better. I honestly believe that there's there's a lot of really good people out there. And what they wanted us to think believe was that there that there wasn't that we were just so there's so few and far between us. And when we went to that trucker convoy, it was incredible how so many

people in Canada came together and and did that. And I mean it scared our Prime minister so bad you had to go hide and pretend he had COVID any remember that in some cabin And it was probably the funniest thing I had ever seen. By the way, kudos for you. Doudn't mean to jump in, but kudos for you to do that, because I heard all the stories of people whose banks were taken away and they had a gift, send

go or something and all the money was hijacked. And again, you guys, A lot of people think you guys have the exact same freedoms we do. Um, you don't. I don't think you even have the same freedom of speech laws we have, which again it's on paper we do, but they we're losing them every day. Yeah, it's really important to note that they played their hand. When we talk about overplaying your hand, that's overplaying

your hand. If you are going to be a tyrannical government and shut down people's bank accounts, that's I mean, you've crossed so many lines there. I am trying to figure out how, especially with Bill C eleven, I would love to communicate with as many people as possible about no longer paying income tax. And I'm not even joking when I say that, I honestly don't think that the mafia government deserves a penny of ours if they're gonna if we're

running a deficit, I mean, you guys have a deficit. I mean we have a one trillion dollar deficit, which is unheard of, and we're going to start giving money to Ukraine and doing all these ridiculous things. Well, and I know we're getting off topic with flat earth, but all these things kind of tie together there. We're living, Are we free? Are we free? Or are we like victims of a mafia government. And I think that we need to make some major changes because if they're just going to

print money, then they don't need my money. Now, that's the eleven was just passed like officially a few days ago, right, yeah, just and it I'm pretty sure most people here will think it's a conspiracy theory, that that's not really going to happen, and it's it's terrifying, Like everybody needs to know that they are passing these things, just like the Patriot Act.

They like Edward Snowden blew the whistle and did anything change. Like that's the part that really bothers me. When a guy sticks his neck out like that basically ruins his life and you know, has to has to go live in Russia. I don't know what it's, you know what the real deal is there, But I mean, obviously he uprooted his life to let people

know that the government is listening to them. These are these are big things, and then when we don't re act, they realize that they can get away with more and they can push more, and we need to not let that happen anymore. I realized that most of us are middle class. But you know what, if they keep squeezing us, we're not gonna be middle

class anymore. And you know the I mean the rich people, yeah, God bless him, but I mean you still need the middle class and lower class people to work hard and keep building, you know, the country. You can't just like dump everybody in the trash. Indeed, it's I'm looking at the bill and it's interesting. Pardon me. It was originally presented on the anniversary of of JFK eleven twenty two, twenty twenty one. Lots of

numerology in this bill. It's C eleven, Yeah, eleven, twenty two, and it is the forty fourth Parliament, so that is just eleven's all over the place. And I don't know much about this bill, but is this kind of does this mirror like the Smith Modernization Act that we had back in twenty twelve where it allowed the federal government to use propaganda against its own

people. From what I understand from the bill, it can censor anything on YouTube that it's basically China, right, It's like China's version of Google. If they don't want you to see it, Google is not going to show it to you. And Google's already bad, and like Duck Duck Go is terrible already. I don't know if you've noticed these things, but I mean I work in SEO, and when I do searches, like research on anything,

lately, you know good search engine optimization. Google's job is to get you the most reliable, best credited source number one and I just have not been seeing that lately. And I don't know what's going on over there, but it leaves me scratching my head that things are aren't nefarious. And when we start like, okay, so here's a great example, not to get too off topic, but pornography, child pornography. How can they like let

this stuff happen and go? And then meanwhile, you know the Fact Hunter podcast, Oh you mentioned COVID, we're going to slap a label on it and we're gonna censor it, but you know, go for it. With all the child pornography, it's all good. And that's to me, that is just insane. Or mentioned Ted Kazinski in the title of your podcast and

it gets pulled complete right to it. It's it's incredible. So, um, I had a question for you because I really wanted to know how your Flat Earth Journey started, and I don't know if you mentioned it on any of the previous ones, but I wanted to. I wanted to know what you're like, aha aha moment Like for me, it was the North Star and the stars turn it around. I just thought, how can the rest

be happening right as a you know somebody who loves physics. Well, I had already been hipped to you awake to everything else from nine to eleven to the Gulf of Tonkin, And I read Dave McGowan's book about the scenes from the sixties and how every single one of these huge bands from the sixties were

all connected from the same neighborhood and all their parents were intelligence agents. From The Grateful Dead to the Doors. Jim Morrison's dad was the admiral on the USS Maddox, which was the boat involved in the Gulf of Tonkin which led to fifty eight thousand young men and women getting sent to their death in Vietnam, and six months later, you know, his son is the biggest name in the music industry. So I had really been all the way down,

but I never i'd come across a video on YouTube. I'd go right past it. I was like, come on. I mean, I mean there's you know, there's conspiracy theories and then there's just crazy people. And I wouldn't give it a second thought. But you know, shortly into my fact tunn, I got an email three years ago or so, three or four years ago, and it was from a guy named David Weiss. And I opened it up and he said, Hey, my name's David Weiss. I'm

a flat earther and I'd love to come on your podcast. And I like laughed and I deleted it. And it was something where it was eating away at me all night, because I always tell people send me your emails, and I literally do respond to just about everybody. I mean, if you're just rude to me, I'm not going to respond to you. But he was very cordial, and it was eating away at me, so I said,

I'm just gonna I went turned my computer back on. It was that night or the next day, you know, went to the trash bin. You know, I didn't delete the trash so I pulled it back out and there was a link I was going to reply. I saw a link. I said, well, let me just see what's going on. And I think it was the conversation that he had with Crow Triple seven. I know it's one of his most viewed videos and it was probably from twenty seventeen,

twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. So I was doing something in the house, working in the garage. I just popped my headphones on a hit play Let's just see what's going on? And then it was we can see too far started talking about it didn't just per miled squared. I started doing a little bit of math and m and then the thing that really resonated with me was again, I had no idea. If you want to ask twenty fifteen, twenty eighteen, George, how far the sun away or I'm sorry, how

far the sun was away from us? I couldn't tell you. But when I found out it was ninety three million. And I remember I was living by the Dover Air Force Base. I walked outside, looked up and you could see the rays coming through the class. I'm like, that's how could they come out at that far of an angle if it was night or you know. None of it made sense to me and I started to question it. And then of course the moon is a big one too, like you

said, And the more I went down the rabbit hole. We set up the interview. I emailed him back because I was intrigued within the first twenty four hours of watching videos and doing a little reading. We set up an interview two weeks later, and by that time I had done nothing for two weeks except consuming this information, and I was like a schoolgirl when I met him. I was so excited to talk. He was a little disappointed because

he likes turning globers and two flat earthers. But at that point I had done all the math and research, and we lived by the beach. We can be at the beach in thirty minutes and sure enough, you get a strong enough piece of glass and you can pull these things back in over the horizon and you sit down. I remember, I'd always had I've always had

sorry, I've always had a relationship with God. But then you know, I sat back down and read Genesis again and it all clicked, it all made sense, and then you realize, sorry, go ahead, I was gonna say when I read a Genesis again like it was my first time in September, and then I realized that that was the truth, that was my epiphany, and the thing that really upset me is how far away I got

from believing that absolutely yep, yep. And I was kind of disappointed in myself because during my time in the army, I was either deployed or you know, I worked in twelve hour days. When I came home, I was not very interested in my older daughter's schoolwork. My wife was kind of she would keep an eye on that. And then you realize, my goodness, she's already you know, she's graduated and off and she's had twelve years

of this uh indoctrination. You know, she's getting pushed the you know, the Big Bang theory and evolution and dinosaurs and these type of things that just don't add up. So we took it to heart. And then it was the same time when when COVID kicked off, and it was the first day my daughter's home, you know, on zoom and the teacher's talking and I'm in there listening. I'm like, this is just it and it's weird, like the David Weiss interview and COVID and everything was like all within a matter

of weeks, and I changed my life and we started homeschooling. Uh, we started searching for lands, you know, so we could raise our own food. It's just one of those things that again, we are here for a reason and things happen for a reason. None of this is an accident. And uh, you know, people always try to say Dave is a shill this and that David Weiss changed my life. That's all I can say.

Yeah, I like to look at things as blessings, like even if it's um, even if it's a bad thing like a COVID in a lockdown, I tried to find the good that came from it. And I've done that with every part of my life. It's like, what what is the tool, you know, what? What is the strength that I'm going to get? What is the lesson that I'm gonna get from from this? And like I said, I'll give a huge shout out to the government for making

it so that I don't trust them anymore. I was laughing the other day when Trudeau was saying, oh, you anti vaxers, and I'm like, I'm not an anti vaxer. I got the H one, N one, I got twin recks, I got all my shots. And then I'm like, well, I'm not. I guess I'm not gonna get this one. And I'm probably not going to get any more vaccines ever again. So oh yeah, okay, thanks, Well, I guess you made me an anti vax I guess I am an anti vaxer. Now it's but it's your fault.

You know, your your lies, you your inconvenient lies, and now he's backpedaling and gaslighting people. It's like, dude, I don't think you understand how many people you woke up because you just you just couldn't keep it together. You know, you had to overplay your hand, and that's a blessing. That's a huge blessing for us all. I think it would have been different if they would have said, listen, um that the guys at Fiser and Merk have done a tremendous job and we think this is the best

avenue. But we understand if you're hesitant. I wonder if more people would have been like, well, they seem honest about it, right, because they're they're saying, listen, if you want to take it, fine, if not, we understand, but we really think this is the best avenue. And if you have some doctors standing there and not in their head and

everything, I think more people would have done it. But when you have something that you claim is a magical elixir but you still have to bribe people on top of it to take it, then people obviously know that because anything that's that good will sell itself exactly. If it works, you don't even need marketing. It's like milk, right, yeah, it does milk even need commercials. No, they're just going you buy milk, you go buy eggs, like like if something works, like we were just in Phoenix and

it is incredible. The like in Canada, we don't have commercials for pharmaceuticals. You're in America. I can't believe how any insane commercials there were. And it's like a side effects include death and bleeding from your enus. I'm like, what this is, like worse than the disease. The only two countries in the world that are allowed to have, you know, pharmacy to consumer direct commercials at the United States and New Zealand. I get people all

the time. We have friends who live in Ecuador. They came home to visit their family. They're like, what has gone on? They had something for hair loss and it was forty five seconds of side effects? You know, all of the commercials here are the same thing. They're people walking in slow motion, smiling, and it's fifteen seconds of what it might help you

with and then forty five seconds of death stroke. You know, fingers fall off, cross eyed, bell's pausy, one thing after another, right, And I think I was really disappointed in our Canadian doctors and nurses because they're not like incentified, incentivized like they are in America. And America. It's almost like, you're the doctors are like drug dealers, right, like they get kickbacks from certain certain drugs. Right yeah, here too, um,

but here here are doctors don't have that, So I just didn't. I mean, you know, a lot of them probably meant well, but I mean, after you're but that's that's all well and good if you're not liable, right yeah, right? If if we have one lady here in Canada, I can't remember what her handle is, Independent Journalists or something like that. She goes around to pharmacies and she is handing out notices of liability and

I think this is such a powerful thing. Can you imagine being served with a notice of liability and then you're on the hook, right, Like, think about the next time you're going to inject somebody with something, but now you're liable that that's the way it should have been all along. Yeah. Absolutely, And people need to sit down and read the Nuremberg Code and realize this is treason what they did over the last couple of years, and it's

it's it's insane. How you know they coerced people and that exact word is in the very first section of the Nuremberg Code. It's coercion and threatening people with their being able to feed their families. Take the jab or or good luck finding another job. You know, I'll tell you this and we'll get back to flat Earth. But on my fact Under podcast in twenty twenty one, I was getting emails from guys who had like eighteen years in the service.

They were two years away from their retirement and they were being forced with this stuff. And I was just heartbroken because you know, I put myself in that, and you know, I thought about it, and I'm like, oh, my goodness, two years away from and our pension and the military starts right on retirement. You don't have to wait till your sixty it starts as soon as you retire. It's part of the reasons I'm able to

do what I do now. I mean, I still have my side hustles, but it was just very, very infuriating to see what they did to people. It's, um, so your wife, she can't get her job back. No, no, she was. Yeah, and you know the whole range of If you remember when when these folks were passing, they weren't allowed to have anybody in the room with them. Yeah, this is another

like, yeah, unbelievable. So my wife would be in there with as they passed, um and she would have to listen to these people cry, you know, as they were passing, and I just want to see my husband. I just want to see my daughter. And you know, my wife, they call her a hero. These companies were buying you know, there would be dinner buffets for him at night. You know, they were

heroes. And a year later, if you didn't take um this tree, you know, vaccine with zero test history to it, you were vilified and had to test every week and wear you know two they made her wear two masks, dude, two masks, and um it was just and here's my wife. She came first generation Hungarian. She came to the United States at

the age of twenty two and then you know, here's me. You know, I was in the military for twenty four years thinking I'm defending the Constitution, and then they do this to our family and it's just sickening the whole thing. And I know the reason I talk about it is because the flat earth helped me realize that everything is a lie. Like literally, almost everything is a lie, and we have to question everything. And that's one of the reasons that I'm thankful that I did woke wake up at the time.

You know, I stayed far away from that, from that vaccine. I think it's kind of a blessing to question everything. It makes life more interesting, yea, instead of just taking everybody's word for it, which is what they did to us in school. They just shoved as much into us as possible and then shoved us out the door. And most of it was who knows what, and we never we just never question it, right, We

just believed our teachers. And honestly, like, I'm in my mid forties and I'm excited to wake up and work and then in the evenings I'll read and I'll learn new things. It's like, wow, it's like I remember finishing university. I just never even wanted to read a book ever again, just because they just shoved us so full of whatever. You know, all these books that I didn't even want to learn, and now I don't know. I, like I said, I'm looking for the good, and the

good is researching. It's fun. It's it's fun to go on podcasts, it's fun to connect with people, and it's not fun to be laughed at and made fun of and be told you're an idiot. But I got this great quote from Gandhi for you here. It says, first they ignore you, then they'll laugh at you, and then they'll fight you, and then

you win nice. And I think it's inevitable that that's just human nature, right if we can persevere, if we can, if we can persevere through being made fun of and then being vilified, you know, eventually they just have to accept the fact that we're you know, we're we're gonna blaze the trail. And it's it's kind of cool, Like who am I, I'm

just Joe Canada in the middle of nowhere. And you know, if if I can help some people realize that, you know, the government isn't your best friend, like this is animal farm, like read everybody read Animal Farms if you haven't, like, it'll tell you everything you need to know about the government. And yeah, I just it's it's incredible. And I want to say George that you're very smart for marrying a Hungarian woman, because I mean, obviously I did too, and life's just never been better. It

has not. It's the most She's just changed my life. And how she puts up with me, I don't know, but I'm blessed that she woke up with me. And when I presented her with this, I was like, what is she going to think? Um? And let me ask you that we're starting to wind down here, we're almost two hours in, but I do want to ask you. Obviously you probably like me when you finally said it, Yeah, I think the Earth is flat. Were you anxious

to share it with other people or were you hesitant? Yeah? So that's where I think that you're awesome and you you share the knowledge so well, and I get too passionate. I get like really fired up, and I can see people shut down and it's like, oh man, and I'm trying to even stay calm here on the podcast. But once I get going,

I get going. But right away I had to share it with my wife, and I was showing her, you know, some of these things, and we're, you know, she's very open, and I'm I'm open too, like we're I'm not totally married to anything, because I think you get a lot of blind spots when you are. Yeah, but the more we learn, the better. And I presented it to my wourteen year old daughter and she just thought, I'm like, she still thinks I'm crazy, and

that's okay. She thought I was crazy about COVID. She thought that I was a big conspiracy theorist against the the vaccine, and she just wanted to get it. But she just wanted to be like all her friends. Right, She's trying to fit in and find her way. But it's my job as her dad to protect her. And then my youngest daughter, she is totally on the flat earth bandwagon with me. It's so funny. She's in grade six and she goes to Catholic school and their teaching and I was really

surprised that in Catholic school they teach the Big Bang theory. And I even emailed the teaching like her teacher, I'm like, are you ignoring Genesis or what's going on here? And that to me, that was very interesting. Flat Earth is it's such an interesting topic, and I want to get better at providing key points that spark people's curiosity and get and ask the right questions.

So lately i've been I have a friend that's a pilot, so I was just kind of asking him questions like did you see the Have you ever seen the curve of the Earth. He's like, yeah, I saw it at forty thousand feet. I'm like, oh, well, that's I'm cool. I'm like, I'll believe you before I believe Neil de grass Tyson.

But I just want you to know that your buddy Neil de grass Tyson says you can't see the curve until one hundred and twenty thousand feet, so he's calling you a liar, so you should probably check with him and make sure that you can see it. So I'm not a pilot, and I've never been at forty thousand feet. I've probably been at twenty twenty thirty thousand feet. But I mean, you look out the window, there's it's horizon, right. I don't if people only knew what they were supposed to see without

a fisheye lens the and that's what bothers me. It's if the Earth was a globe. Fine, but whatever numbers they've given us for the earth curvature, we can see further than that, and we can prove that those numbers are incorrect. Absolutely. I've been I've been thinking, you know, I've been saying I want to start doing more activism locally, and uh, I decided, I don't know if I want to come up with flyers where like if I came up with a really cool flyer with something you could hand to

somebody, you know, but what information should I put on it? You know, it's got to be catchy, it's got to be inquisitive, and it's got to have a website on it or or business cards. Business card is something I've been you know, kicking around as well, something you can hand to somebody, so hey, check this out. And um, but I think you have you know, Biblical Earth because I think, and again, I'm never going to change the title because so many people put flat Earth

in their search engine and that's how they find the podcast. But there is a stigma to those words. So you know, I've been saying I really want to do more things locally on the ground with activism. But I really want to make sure that whatever I come up with, whether it be a flyer, and if I ever did do that, I would put it on the website so people could long on and put them off from themselves. But

I want it to be inquisitive. I want to make people curious to look into it, and and again I want to make sure it's presented well because that's the most important thing. You never know when like when somebody listens to my podcast, always think they don't always start at the first podcast. So I always try to, you know, keep everything even keel, and I don't like to use words like globe, TRD and um you know sheeple,

which you know at some point maybe I use the sheep a word. But we need to be a welcoming community and uh, you know we're Christians. You know, we're God fearing, christ loving people. And I do want to start doing things locally. So if anybody has any ideas, you know, send me an email. Maybe you can come up with a flyer or a business card example for us to share and you know, next time we're walking around the mall or our SAMs we go to Sam's Club once a month

to get our supplies. We can uh, you know, leave some little nuggets, you know, maybe on the anyway, you know what I'm getting at. I'm sure that you and I can collaborate because that's basically what we do for a living. So yeah, please tell us a little bit about KP Design if you wouldn't mind. Sure. My wife and I we've known each other since we were fifteen years old. We're going on forty five's almost

thirty years together. We got married when we were twenty. My wife's been an entrepreneur, one of the first like stay at home moms, but working as a graphic designer, web designer, raising our kids. And she was originally a music teacher. And yeah, now we do amazing brands, website design, business cards, all all sorts of things like that. I do

the SEO and Google ads for people, and it's been incredible. Like I think I started with her four years ago, but she's been in business for over twenty years now, and I came in and I basically back engineered, reverse engineered my position with the company and we've been growing ever since. And

it's been it's been such a blessing. It was one of our goals growing up even was to eventually work together, and we've we actually made it happen just before COVID, and it was so cool to you know, connect the dots that man, we're self employed and we don't you know, we're so blessed that we don't have to endure the you know what is it, darress of having this shot held over your head. I mean, I know that we suffered by not being able to go out and you know, basically only

go to the grocery store. But we're, like I said, we're just looked for the good and we never got sick and and we you know, we we became stronger throughout the entire or deal. We actually wrote a book called Partners and Everything that's on Amazon if anybody wants to check that out. And I seriously encourage anyone to go out there and start a business with your

spouse, because the two of you working together can do incredible things. There's a lot of people that joke that they could never work with their spouse, But my wife and we don't really step on each other's toes. She has her side of the business and I have mine, and when we you know, you know, bond together and go forward with this vision of what we want to do, we really elevate the human experience for all of our clients.

Now going forward, one of our major goals is to buy a big property, just don't know where yet, and we would like to create a healing center for people to come either from mental health, physical health, spiritual health. We want to be the facilitators or not. We would bring in facilitators, but we would be the organizers and the hosts for something like that.

And that is KP Designs future goal. Like we would love to you know, give back to our community or have people come in from other countries even and just heal because there's a lot of damage out there that's been done and if we could build something incredible to you know, give back, that would just even if even if I didn't get any money, that would make my heart explode because you would I feel like I would you know, accomplish

my life and soul's purpose by by doing that, and especially with my partners. So that's that's basically the long answer of what we do. That's great and again it's uh KP Design dot c A and the link will be in the show description and you can click on the contact link to reach out to Alex. And if you wouldn't mind, well we're done here, could you send me? Could you email me a link to your book on Amazon so I can put that in the show description as well. Yeah, for sure.

Awesome. That way people don't have to, you know, get onto Amazon and start searching for it. So again, folks, in the show description there'll be his website, um, and his the link to his book as well. So um, and again, we'd love to hear from you, guys. It's the fact that, jeez, this is what happens when I do two podcasts and one day my mind goes. It's the flat Earth

files at gmail dot com. Uh. With with your your thoughts and comments, and again, if you'd like to join the show like Alex did tonight, Alex, I'd like to give you the floor for any final thoughts. Yeah, um man, I feel like I talked so much, but I'm just so honored to be on the show. And I hope that I did a good enough job, you know, inspiring some people to at least challenge some of the numbers and the narrative. I'm a big numbers guy, and

that's how I got involved in this. And I love real science, and what they've been telling us on TV is not real science. I think most of us know that by now, and I don't even have to pretend that I'm a professor of anything. Like what we can learn and what we can do going out and finding the right resources is incredible, and question everything. Don't don't you know, just assume that you know Isaac Newton's a great guy

at all, but just don't. We can't even assume that everything he did was on the up and up anymore because of all these contradictions now, So don't don't get married to an idea either, Like I said many times during during the podcast, if you know, who knows exactly what's going on in this realm? But we know it's not what they say it is. So we might as well have fun and meet incredible people, have great conversations, don't get angry with each other, and yeah, don't just make it a

positive experience trying to learn from other people. You can always learn something from somebody. I could even learn something from Justin Trudeaux. How mostly what not to do, But it's still it's still something to learn. There you go. What was certainly a pleasure having you on and again let's let's cross over down the road. I'd love to have you on the Fact Tunner as well.

It's funny the guy I interviewed this morning was for the Fact Tunner and he's going to be coming on the Flat or the Fire else down the road, so we're having a dual show crossover today. It's incredible. And remember, folks, just because an apple fell from a tree doesn't prove gravity. For Alex again from Cochrane, Alberta, Canada, thank you so much for joining us. Don't have to get to check the show description to reach out

to Alex and we'd love to hear from you again. It's the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com and please stop buy the website, The flat earth Files dot com. God bless everyone. Thank you again for joining us. Until the next time, my friends, we will see it