Episode 38: Flat Earth Conversation with Kevin

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dot com. Jump in the chat. If you have any questions, you drop it in the forum and put it out there for the community to answer as well. All right, we have all that out of the way, it is time for the main event. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us tonight for this episode. Joining us from West Texas, it is Kevin from Texas and good evening again, sir, how are you doing good evening? Good evening, George. I'm doing good. It's great to have you on the

podcast. Thanks for reaching out as we always do. Please do introduce yourself to the audience. Yes, so to everybody out there hearing. My name's Kevin M from West Texas, Opasso, born and raised here. M thirty one years old and I was very excited to find this this podcast. I've been down, as we like to call it, the rabbit hole, probably for about a year. UM, but I've always been very inquisitive about all these things that you know, they're trying to indoctrinate us with. UM.

Wasn't a very sure believer of NASA space moon landing. This was very hard for me to swallow and accept. But you know, I thankfully I met a brother of mine. He's one of my best friends right now, and he's the one that basically once we talked about it one evening, he was like, Hey, let me show you a couple of things that I think might interest you and sure enough it just it. It was almost like confirmation, um to the to the feeling that I had that something just wasn't quite

right, if I know you understand, George. But um, yeah, UM, I am from uh from opatso UM. I love this this city. I was in austin the last two years. Um, and we just moved back fortunately just because of a family and uh you know, we uh had to make that that move. But it's been, uh, it's been awesome just to experience, um, you know, the community I am. I went into the website as well too. I've chatted a couple of people in there, and you know, I'm just kind of like getting my my

wheels going and all this. You know. Um, I think you had am a guest. I think not too long ago. I think in two episodes before, you know, he was talking about he's all about you know, action. UM. I'm kind of like that too, you know, I want to do something, be done with this. But I also, UM, I love I love speaking. I've always been really good at speaking, and I think I've always used my voice to you know, get the

point across and try to be somewhat of a leader. But you know, I'm just very honored to be to be here with you and thank you for inviting me. Well, it's absolutely a pleasure to have you. And we need more of these voices. We don't have enough voices, and I'm so happy to see people because this is even in the truth community. I will honestly say that I have noticed in the last almost four or five months,

people are starting to let down their guard just a little bit. I did I do a live show once a year on my other podcast, and it's very large audience, and one of the callers even brought it up, and I kind of poked my eye in the chat room to see if we were going to get any Oh, here we go with the flatter and it wasn't people who were making jokes about heliocentrism. So I do believe that we are

on a bit of an offensive. We are, I do honestly leave we have a little momentum on our side, and we need to continue to keep it rolling. Certainly. Certainly, um I feel it too. I feel there's some some momentum grasping right now with with society and with obviously so many things um going on right now in the in the world. You know,

Um, I'm pretty sure you might have seen. But I just you know, obviously yesterday with the whole SpaceX thing, you know, I know, we'll get into that with topics and stuff, but that was just something I saw right away, and I was just like, you know, oh, well, you know, they're trying again. They're trying to go through you know, through the through the firmament. They're trying to do all this funny

stuff, and you know, um, I actually took some notes. I was watching some of the videos earlier, but with time, you know, right now, I'll get into that as well, just to kind of point out a few things that I, you know, I saw, and I'm just like, it's kind of funny they're showing this and showing that, you know, and you know, with numerology and a lot of stuff like that, it just just doesn't add up. No, it doesn't add up at

all. You meant, going back to your your upbringing and always you know, questioning the official narrative and when you started to to let down your guard just enough to look in to the flat earth, you know, the possibility that maybe just maybe we're not on a ball spinning and hurtling through space. Um, was there a particular item in a video or what was the one thing where you really thought, Hum, maybe those folks aren't as crazy as as we think they are. Well, you know, kind of I guess

my upbringing. You know, my my father he's a Vietnam veteran, so growing up with him, you know, it was a very military style home. Sure. Um, it's kind of like, you know, make sure you do good in school, you know, you handle all that stuff, you know, but going to school, I mean growing up and you know, trying to take these tests and do these things that they were asking.

You know, I'm not gonna say, you know, I was a complete dummy, but uh, you know I did my best in school, and I was you know, I studied a lot and took the test to the best. But for some reason, every time I you know, got into with you know, when it talked about space and a bunch of stuff like it just hey, I guess I was one of those people that I wasn't really intrigued much like I was just like, okay, cool, I'm reading this mcgrawl hill book. You know, it's got pictures and showing me stuff.

And I had to take you know, name all the planets, all of stuff like it. To me, it just was kind of like, okay, sure, but you know there was that one part that I always I always questioned. I was like, well, why are we learning about this? You know? And uh, you know, how true is this? Like I guess it just was something that just didn't sit right with me, you know. And and again, you know, I was I was born in the nineties, so again, all this the system that they took

over, the education, all that stuff was already implemented. Yes, well within the time I was already there. So there's no way that I can you know, comprehend it as as I do now. But same with that, you know, at some point it just you know, once I finally started going down through all this stuff, now I realized why I wasn't so intrigued and so poled to to you know, want to believe all this stuff and and learn it. And you know, I wasn't so fascinated with it.

But now it just kind of makes sense because it you know, there's just so much things that that doesn't doesn't make sense. And I don't I don't want to beer off or anything, but I just kind of want to lead off with you know what kind of made me think all this stuff is sure. I saw the videos, you know, I've done all the videos,

looked at the videos, but one thing stood out to me. And I've I've talked to some you know, family members, um specifically, when I talked with with my friend Matthew, who's the one that, uh, he's the one that basically you know, opened the floodgates for this and he's the one that very pretty much you know, solidified all this stuff in my mind. And I was like, wow, man, it makes so much

sense. I was trying to tell him. I'm like, you know what's funny is that, you know, for thirty one years old, and I am you know, if we if we draw, we draw a pigraph, you know, we do a PI graph, and we're doing a percentage of scale of like one hundred percent. And let's say, what they're teaching me about the history of Earth, it's only about to say, I'll run it out to even like thirty percent, right, thirty percent of the knowledge right

of Earth as it was. But then the other seventy percent, you know, all religions, all backgrounds, everybody believed that the Earth was flat? Why is it that I am going to go ahead and start believing and learning the stuff that on a pie chart is only thirty percent? You know what about the other seventy percent? Like what happened? Like? Why am I not learning what seventy percent of our total you know knowledge of Earth has been?

But yet you want me to learn the thirty percent? Sent It just didn't sit right with me, you know it just it's something to make you think that, you know what, if I was born in the eighteen hundreds, you know, how would my mind work? I think there was a there was I saw a video of this group of people. I guess they were interviewing some some lady that I guess she was. She went to school in the nineteen nineteen tens or nineteen twenties or something, I can't remember,

but they had asked her a question. They said, hey, when you went to school and you learned about the earth, what did they teach her was? And sure enough she was like, they taught us the earth was

flat. So I'm like, okay, this is a you know, a person that just not too long ago, probably about one hundred years or so, admitted that they were teaching that the earth was flat, you know, So it just got into my mind and thinking, I'm like, okay, well then I'm born in this era and this time, and they're teaching me

about something different, like what happened? What changed it all? So that's where it just kind of just you know it definitely, it was kind of like a eerie sense of feeling like it was just like something didn't didn't didn't feel right. And from that point on, it was just kind of like, you know what I need to I need to do more research. I need to I need to figure out what's going on here, because it doesn't feel right that they're trying to teach us something, and you know, they've

taken over the whole education system. I mean, I've listen. I've been listening to all your podcasts, all the episode. I've listened to other people too. It's just I'm I'm done founding when people want to believe in the system, they still want to be stuck and all that and believe it, but they don't think for themselves and be more of a critical thinker and think,

you know, what, how are people learning? You know? On hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, well, how were they learning, you know, and why is it that what I'm learning right now is correct and right? It just doesn't it doesn't sit right. Um. I've used another example kind of like a biblical reference, and UM, I know it can mean so many different different things, you know, but when it's talking about you know, I'm pretty sure I can't. I can't recall it

right now. I can't look it up right now, but taking some notes down, but it was, you know, the narrow path, the narrow path and the White Path. And I've tried to tell this with a couple of family members and I was just like, just just think about it, said, you know the narrow path, fuel will make it, Fuel go through it. You know, fuel understand it. It's it's just the narrow path, right, And the White Path it's just where it's flatted. So

many people, so many different ways to ax sit. So I kind of put it in perspective, was like, what if the narrow path was, you know, to say, the flat earth concept, and the White Path was you know, the global concept. Right. You know, we got heliocentric on one side, and you know, we got a geocentric sism in one side, and I'm just kind of like, you know, of course, everybody's gonna believe the white paths. It's an easy path to believe what

they want you to believe right now. But the narrow path, you know, not everybody's going to accept it. That's why nowadays, if you walk like you know, we said, if you walk to someone new that you haven't met and you just start, you know, hey, do you believe there's a slash, They're automatically just gonna be like no, because they're on the white path, you know, they don't want to go to the narrow

path. So it's just so many concepts that to me almost like I said, in about a year of fully looking at information research and everything, it's just in a way it's kind of a bit upsetting, you know, because I'm I don't consider myself young. I don't consider myself all. I'm kind of like you know, in the thirties right there, like yeah, And it's just I think about the youth, and I think about, you know, the younger generations that come to these these twenty year olds, these these

teams. You know, if I was fooled at that time, how much more fooled are they? So it's almost like such an importance that for the Flyers community, you know, all of us to understand that. You know, there's people such as myself that we want to lead these young people to understand, you know, open their eyes, you know, allow them to be more critical thinkers. I mean, I think you had a guest not too long ago with saying he was talking about it other day. He said,

you know, when I went to school. So they're not taught to you know, critically think anymore. And if they say anything about oppose or they oppose whatever's being said there, you know, they're reprimmended. You know, they can't think for themselves. You got to follow the answer, study the answer, because it's the way it is. Yeah, but they they've rigged the game too, is um. You know, the way the education system is set up now is a lot of the financing is based on certain

testings. So uh, instead of teaching you know that the children how to think critically and and so on and so forth and maybe try to debunk things like how you're supposed to in science, um, that they just you know, um, you know, educate the children towards memorizing you know, test time. You know, I think in Texas it's called the Star test. Different states have their own very issue. It was it is star now, um when I took it back and it was tax or tax talk talk talks

or something ta K Yes, I believe it was. But everything's changed so much now Like before it was only like a few credits to graduate. Now it's almost like thirty something credits to graduate high school again. They also imposed so much more for them to memorize. Yep. And that's what it is. It's education has become memor memorizing versus actually teaching, um, you know, challenging you know, them to write certain things, get you know,

based their opinions on certain things. Let them find the answers, you know, challenge the books. And when he talked about mcgrawl hill, if you look at the history of people who have owned that second sorry, the second largest book distributor in the world as far as educational books, right behind Pearson, I mean Gazolaine. Maxwell's father owned them, you know, from the mid eighties until he died and I was it ninety one or ninety two when

the Massada offed him, and then Leon Black from Apollo Management. He had direct ties to Jeffrey Epstein. So the people who who are you know, running the people who make our textbook are not good people. And you know, the same people who tell us we live on the globe are the same people who tell us that if you don't get a certain jab you're going to die. And if a guy wears address, he's a woman. So these are all connected, and that's what people need to understand. Excuse me.

Yeah, it's you know, I call it. It's the evil in this world, you know it. I think just two days ago. Um, you know I was talking about this. It's just and and I hate to reiterate, but I know we've been talking about her almost in every podcast. Is weren't Von Brown? You know? Um, it's and I just you know, I did my research too, and I figured I'm like, okay, I'm from Opasso, and Opasso has I believe. I'm not sure if it's anymore. I can probably fact check it, but it's like the second

largest fort in the United States. I'm not for sure. But Fort Bliss, you know, Um, it's it's been here for quite some time. I mean, they got NASA, they got you know, I had to research and I actually found out that um, you know, once Project paper Clip happened and all this, you know, one hundred and twenty five members including himself. You know, we're installed here in Fort Bliss, Texas. You know where they began doing the launching of the V two rockets at the

White the White Tense uh in New Mexico. It's right. So to me, I'm just kind of like, you know, sometimes it's about connecting the dots and and that's why I feel like something you know, just me and personally in my personal experience, it's kind of like wow, you know, I'm here, like this connects me to that history, like I know it, like you know, but this is this is someone that that again, you know, when I tried to explained it to a couple of family members

and they were kind of like, you know, their eyes kind of opened up wide, and I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you thought they won. I mean, you thought they lost, but you know, really what they did it came over here and you know, and then headed the whole NASA did this whole thing, even did um. He served as a spokesman for like I think three Walt Disney TV programs. Man in Space YEP, it's just kind of like, you know, like he had his footprint

in all these things. And I'm like, how do you expect how do you accept an organization that was led by someone that wasn't it was what an SS officer too. I mean, I'm like, you know, as long as I say the Nazi words, they're just like whoa, you know, bad guy. I'm like, yeah, but yet you accept an organization right now that was pretty much kind I have found it created, you know, led by this person that's that's evil. You know, how do you not

see the evil in that? And then so many members will be like whoa, okay, that kind of they kind of didn't say it well with me, and I'm like, yeah, it shouldn't. But people don't do the research. People don't don't don't want to. You know. It's like what you've been saying. Television. You know they television, they tell you what they want you to see, that's right, they program you. Yeah,

And I honestly I have stopped. I've stopped watching news as much as I did because, you know, growing up, to me, news was like you know, I want to I want to keep up to date what's going on, But I didn't realize that when I'm trying to keep up to date, I'm really just listening and looking at what they want me to see and believe. So I've recently stopped, you know, being so like you know, up in the morning, watch the news, see what's going on.

I do it now because I want to know both sides, you know, of the story. I'm not going to go in debate or anything like that if I don't know what's going on on what they're telling, right, So I do it now from a different perspective, not so much as like believe. Like I said, I'll I'll kind of like look at it, hear what they're saying. Then I kind of inside kind of like just laugh a little bit. I'm like wow, like they're really trying to tell people this.

I mean, just yesterday it was the SpaceX, you know, yes with you know, I saw the video. I saw it. How it just and you know, so they'll there was a part it was some snippets where they were they were showing like, you know, for some reason, to me, it was just like why are they showing us some of these snippets of like you know, uh, they'll show you like the fish eye

lends. You got to see the earth and the curvature of it, but just momentarily and then they switch off to the rockets, then back to this, and then sure enough boom. You know it apparently something problem with the engine. But you see, they wanted to show you the engines because they're already pre pre programming your mind to see that they already used something going on with the engine. Oh this is the reason why you know, something didn't

go right because of the engines. If you ask me, quite frankly, I don't think there's nothing to do with the engines. You're talking about these super high intelligent you know, sciences whatever, rocket sciles, and they're gonna have a problem with something that big the way it was kind of flipping and doing a certain you know, at suddenly it hit thirty eight kilometers of it.

I'm gonna tell you honestly, I'm thinking, you know, they're something around with the firmament, something, you know, it just didn't allow it. And you know, but then again that's just me and what I've done the research and how I have a different perspective. But people will see them and be like, oh, you know, it was a fifty fifty didn't go right. They knew this was going to happen, so you know they're gonna try again and hopefully by you know, twenty twenty five, you know

we got Artemis three going. I mean, it's just so much, George, It's just so much that when you finally remove the veil from your eyes, you kind of just see the thing and it's it's it's a madness. I mean, three billion dollars on the contract for Artemis three for the moon landing. Yep, it's three billion dollars, that's right. And the same people who are in on that are the same people who are in on the military industrial complex. It's all about the money. It's all about the power.

By the way, did you see when they when they when the cameras zipped to Elon, he had his hands together doing the old pyramid sign. Yes, yes, yeah, you can't make this stuff up now, you definitely cannot. It's oh man, it's that. My family was asking me, They're like, well, you know what, what's your whole big deal? Why do you want to know to what will it change? I'm like,

I'll tell you one thing. What it'll to me, what it impacts is that we talk about, you know, well, you know, if they finally come clean, just like in that level documentary talk about you know, they'll come clean. Oh, I'm sorry, we'll pay you back money. Sure, that's fine. You know, it might not happen to my you know. But the problem is that this is money that people are you know, not receiving for other things that are most necessary right now in the

world. Talk about seventy two million a day. I think it was for NASA. UM. That's that's money that you know, being thrown into some project like the three billion dollars for something that we're gonna end the moon. I honestly don't what we never even win. We and three billion dollars when there's so much poverty, there's so many things going on out here and right

here in our realm and our earth that needs the most attention. We're talking about programs for helping people how to you know, learn how to garden, how to self sustain, um, problems with with our criminal justice system, all that stuff. You know, that's money that could go into uh, you know, the prisons for for you know, reformats and all these things to like help you know, um, help people. You know, get get prepared before they get out. Um, so that you know, recidivism

is you know, it's not such a big thing. It just cuts that down. It that's money that we could be using for all that. And to me, it's just like that's that's what's impactful, is that we're everybody's being brainwashed to you know, go ahead, don't worry about your taxpayer is going to go out to this because you know what, we're going to the moon and guess what in a few more years after, we're going to Mars.

When people take a hook line and sinker and yet you know, something happens out here or here that's orchestrated, you know, and we're running crazy for toilet paper and chicken and eggs and milk and all that stuff. And when they're not teaching people how to be self sustainable, like you said, you know, naturally so that we can we can provide for ourselves. Um,

it's it's it's so much control. I'm telling you. Just recently too, I've been trying to not debate, but I'm trying to get push all these little ideas and information to my family members and trying to let them know you'd be like, you know, we're not running out of resources. But that's what it is, is that they do all this because they don't want to lose control. You know, you're you're dependent on a government for almost absolutely everything. But it wasn't made that way. I believe our creator,

you know, my goddn't just it just he didn't. He didn't intend for us to to live this way where we're dependent on the government. Like no, everything here in this earth was here for us so that it doesn't run out. You know, we have the resources, the means to be able to self sustain, survive, and live on. But that's the problem is that they they don't want to lose that power, you know, so they're not going to come clean any day soon. I believe that they're gonna say,

oh, you know what, yeah, we fake this. They're going to keep pushing it off. I mean, just like all the presidents before since I think it was Obama, but they've been telling oh, in the next year, we're gonna go here, and the next year, and in the next year the next president too, and the next kick the can down the road exactly, and and keep people just kind of you know, hooked in there and just don't worry about it. Next year we'll be here.

I kind of had a funny thought of my mind. It's kind of like the I'm in Texas and I know some Texas listeners and they're this, and they might be they might not agree with me with this, but I'm not a Dallas Cowboys fan, but they're kind of like the Dallas Cowboys. You know, this is our year, this is our year. You know,

this is ours. But there's just there's just so much information, George, and I'm just happy that, you know, um, at least in my life, whether I go today, tomorrow, or whenever it's my time, I'm not gonna leave and depart this where I'm knowing that, you know. Oh, I never had the chance to go to Mars. Know it's not like that. And that's why I think since I was growing up, since

I was a young kid, I never I didn't fall for that. It was hard for me to believe, you know, Oh my goodness, even though yeah, we're you know, in the Solar system, we're hurling across you know, the universal and stuff like it. Just I don't know if there's some people out there, maybe there is, Maybe there isn't. But I believe there's some of those that just now, especially the young ones, you know, the young generation. It's just hard. It wasn't it wasn't

easily digest digestible for me. But once I opened up, this went down the rivle. It's still just clicks, you know, and it just if you allow yourself to have an open mind, you know, it's it's so revealing, you know, And I just hope that I can, you know, do my part, you know, Like I said, I try to do my part with people that I me. You know, I've learned not to go straight to that. We can't go straight to flat earth because that's all we got, Yeah, and I've learned how to do that, and

it's actually worked. Um, I've been able to you know, work my way around with that. And I see that, you know, once we have the tools, necessarily the right words, you know, the right ideas. Um. And I think this is probably why you know, this this momentum that we feel is increasing because of that, because we have people such as yourself. Um, there's a couple of other um, you know, YouTubers and other people that I've seen obviously before they get taken down or whatnot.

But um, they're they're I've aulgene all this information that's helpful to the community, to us, to help us, you know, so that one we're on the streets, we're able to make connections, make relations with people, and sure enough, little by little we can teach them this stuff and then they're a little bit more you know, open minded to effective. Huh okay, that makes a little sense, you know, as opposed to back

in the day. Obviously everybody's just flatter, flatter, flatter. So yeah, obviously it was a quick way to just kind of, like, you know, let people just oh yeah, no, I mean I've heard it. I think you said to yourself that you just weren't. You know, for a while you didn't know about so much flat earth and stuff. But you know, once you found the right information, then you know, that's

the key to understanding all this. Yep. And I think if if you leave the bread crumbs, and if you excuse me one second, I thought I was going to say sorry about that, folks how to sneeze, But it's important that you leave good breadcrumbs. And as Kevin was saying earlier, you have to break the ice and at the same time, they have to be willing to the old You can lead a horse to water, but it's up to them to drink it. You've made a couple of great points and

two particular points on it. To kind of expand on number one with the

news. One of the things that I found tricky once when when you kind of fully wake up and realize that I always thought news, Uh, you know, you'd wake up in the morning, turn on your Fox News or your MSNBC or whatever it is that you'd watch, and you'd have your coffee, and you'd you'd walk out the door, like you said, full of information and ready to debate your your your co workers around the water cooler, which turns up being some trivial stuff that is completely lies and that you know

is another task as a truth or you're like, well, now I have to discern what has really gone on every every news story. When you're fully awake, you realize these news stories are meant to evoke certain emotions and get you to try to think a certain way. And I always, now that I'm awake, I look at news as an acronym a northeast, west south. They want your brain to be scattered in off woard directions. It's that there's a fine line between misinformation, uh, you know, being misinformed and

uninformed. That's kind of the area where I find myself trying to be right there between being misinformed and uninformed. Correct. Yes, I mean it is. You know, like I said, I don't I don't pay attention to news in that way anymore. Yeah, but I do it like I said, because you know, you gotta know. You gotta know the enemy. You know, when you're going about it, You're not just going to show up, you know, blindly. You gotta understand where they're coming from,

it, what angle. So I do it in that sense now, you know, just to like I said, to see what they're really telling people out there exactly exactly. You have to know the enemy. That is a big one. The other thing you really hit a home run on. And this is the rabbit hole that I've been going down as much as I can.

Certainly, at some point during World War Two, I'm thinking around nineteen forty three, we started getting some of the German intelligence, and some of that intelligence we came across was New Swabia and the information that Germany had on Antarctica. Because we're talking about a four year war. I mean, some of these guys had been away from their family for four years and then the next year you're going to load up and then and send all these battles literally

battleships, this, this entire fleet down to Antarctica. So I'm thinking that they knew they went down there and they validated there is the firmament, because if you start shortly after that, you nailed the hammer on the head. Nineteen fifty five was Man in Space with Warner von Braun and uh Walt Disney. And Walt Disney was a thirty third degree Freemason. So I think between you know, forty six and the early fifties, we went from science to

science fiction. Yep. And and it's true that's one thing that I've also talked about two when I try to you know, um commence peoples, like you know, when they're a thirty third degree, how many of our presidents I can't even do the facts here right now, but if you look back in the history, how many presidents were of the thirty third degree? You know, they're all they're all part of of this, you know, freemasonry, Like they're all part of this this thing and they're it's no coincidence,

none at all. But yeah, I mean when Antarctica, I mean just itself. You know, when you try to argue with someone or you try to tell them and they're like, no, no, they that doesn't make any sense. They just probably don't want us to go down there. I'm like, well, why you know, why why did you know? However many countries, you know, I think it was thirty forty different countries.

You know, they all get together and they say, okay, you know, let's not letting nobody in there, and you know, let's hold this key, this power, this this knowledge that we know something, so that we could just have them look here, not there where they're supposed to be looking. You know, I think it was your one of your guests. I love that that he talked about. Think it was a chrism he was. I think it was him. He was talking about the uh, you

know, how how how they do meetings. You know, they go behind a closed door and there's no cameras and stuff. And he said, you know, it's just like your your children. You're not gonna tell them, you know, you're not going to discuss everything that you need to do or what's really going on right in front of them. You go out to the basement, you go out to the backyard, and then and then you come

back inside. When I try to tell people, I'm like, you know that that's what happened right there, Like, oh, well, you know, we have to trust him, okay, trust him, but but why you know? They're like, well, what do you mean you can't go to Antarctica? And now I can. I'm pretty sure if you know, I had the millions of dollars, I could probably go there. I'm like,

yeah, good luck, buddy, you can't do that. And then they're just like, well why, And then we're like, exactly, this is exactly why we're on writing now on what we're trying to uncover, what we're trying to, you know, get them to reveal, to understand that there's a reason why they don't. I honestly believe, you know, what was it? Um? General Bird? Was that his name? Um? You know everything you talked about, Um, I honestly believe it's true.

You know, I obviously believe it's true. It's this, this world is uh, it's it's it's massive, you know. UM. I think I was hearing something else earlier to they were talking about you know that the maps the way they're outlined, that they're not entirely true. You know, they're a little edgy, a little sketchy here like that. But the way that the continent there, that's not exactly how they are, you know, because

how true can we be of that? You know? And that that talks about, you know, the the grandness of God, you know, and and how great this this place is that He made for us. There's a um, there's and and I'm telling you I growing up here, born and

race here in the past. So um the Franklin State Mountain Park. Um, there's a uh, there's like a top peak that you can you can climb right and there's an area that you can go up and they call it Monday's Gap, which is most people go you can go up there, and you can run up there and then it kind of does a U turn and then laps back back down. But if you have a you know, park ranger someone, they can take you up past Monday's Gap. You know,

some more intermediate type of hike. You know. Now you're kind of grabbing on rocks and using your knees and stuff to climb up and you get up to this the highest peak of the mountain, right, And I remember I now remember now I was talking to this with my coworker, with Matthew, and I told him, I said, wow, man, I said,

I'm just remembering something right now. I said. When I went up there, I was about maybe fourteen fifteen years old, and we went up there as a part of the it was the Opasto Police Explorers program, right, and we went up there as a group. I was in the group as well. And when we got up there to the top, you know, the scenery is I remember now. It's just there's places where you could see

the white sense area. Then you go a little bit more further back and you can see where Cloudcroft begins, where the pine trees and Redoce and all that and and just a three sixty view. You know now that I remember it in my mind, it's like when they try to talk to you about the curvature and like you know, the drop and also like now I live onund like there was no such thing as no courage. I mean I'm talking about from more past. Why I could see all the way where in New

Mexico and Cloudcroft where the pine trees begin. You could see the coloration of the land from desert white sands, a little bit more brown and then suddenly green. You know, I don't even know how long, how far that is, I mean, but I would love to try to see, if you know, somehow we could measure that and see that, and I would be able to measure. And that's from my own eyes, not an iPhone, you know, camera. No, this is with my own ocular vision.

I was able to see that far. There's no better feeling, you know, once you're down in this rabbit hole and you finally remember your experience in the past, and I'm like, wow, it was right there in front of me the whole time. Yeah, precisely. I had the same thought. And bringing back divisions from Manitou Springs in Colorado, you could see the Kansas. You could see forever, and it was the horizon was completely

flat. There was no curvature whatsoever. But again, we have to be I wasn't at that part of my life where I was willing to open my mind that far quite yet, unfortunately. But now I'm you know, I'm really hoping in the next year I can I still have friends back there obviously, and I'd love to go back and climb it one more time and take

a picture, and that would be a keeper for sure. Oh you know I am now that I said, I moved back now and now that I'm I'm here, I'm it's in my bucket list, like at the top of it, I'm like, I need to go back up there. Game because you could do it. It's usually about a if you go like at seven in the morning, you get up to the very top, probably about like twelve o'clock and then coming down is about to like three four, so almost in a days work. But still I'm like, I'm gonna go do it.

I'm gonna take some pictures. That's awesome, you know, I want and I want to share it with you know, with the community and anybody else I might ask and just be like, look, how is this possible? Exactly? It's with the math. Their math. It's it's it's their math. And of course they'll bring up refraction and all this other uh scientists and what are you gonna do. Two things I really want to again go back on that you mentioned. Number one. Shout out to Paul who emailed

me on April twelfth and he shared this with me. I may have come across it before, but I don't recall it. One of the main parts, you know, they talk about you if you spend the however many thousands of dollars, they'll fly it a chilly or whatever, and then they'll take you to the little ceremonial part of Antarctica where you know, they have the thing in the ground and the penguins are there. You take your picture and you head back. I didn't know the two names of the islands, and

I look these up. This is legit. Shout out to Paul. One of the islands is called Deception Island and the other one is called Roth's Child Island, and it is named after Jacob Roth's Child. So and you guys can look it up and verify for yourself. It's it's one hundred percent legit. So shout out to Paul for pulling it out to me. That's big time. You can look it up right on the old Wikipedia. It's right there. The other big thing is one president that nobody ever talks about,

and me too. And he was a Freemason, and it's interesting because he was the thirty third president and Harry Truman was a thirty third degree Freemason. Now listen, he I think he became president that day Lincoln was shot to Lincoln assassination. Let me just fact check myself while I had my computer right in front of me. It was April feenth. I was wrong. Okay, maybe the twelfth was the Titanic. But Truman was inaugurated, which is

weird, April April twelfth, nineteen forty five. And he was given his thirty third degree freemason on October nineteenth, nineteen forty five. So I mean six months after he was in office he became a thirty third degree Freemason. And he was president from forty five to fifty three, all of this while high Jump and all this other stuff was going on. Wow, and you said April fifteen, Remember you were seeing earlier. I think in another episode

you're seeing April fifteenth to April nineteen. Yeah, that's usually yeah, Yeah, That's why I do the live show for April nineteenth. That's a very significant date with you know, the Satan worshipers. For lack of better words. You look at what happened at Waco in Oklahoma City. They were both April nineteenth events. The Columbine shooting was April twentieth, of course. Wow.

I mean it's just it's almost like, you know, it's almost like a spin in the face sometimes it feels that way, you know, like it is, but it's the same humanity. It's right under our nose. We we just refuse to look at it exactly. I mean the deception, you know, like the deception like it's just wow, like you know, it's right there, like like they're not afraid to tell you, like right, like you know, look here haha on your face. And it's like

but but people just think, oh, what a unique name. You know, it's it's definitely uh, it's struggling. Like I said, you know, um, there's just so much, so much information out there needs to be you know, understood and not be misled because I think that's the problem. Uh, you know, you know, it's just it's really bad. I mean just with with everything like you you were talking about the bud Lie commercial stuff like that. There's just so much information out there that you throw

out there to keep everybody distracted. Precisely, Yeah, with the dude and the dress on the beer and everybody for a week. Yeah, I mean, you know, instead, like we should be talking about all this, like I said, because it's to me, like I said, it's it's troubling because especially in the education system, it's you know, they don't teach you know, these young kids about um, you know, how to handle your finances better, you know, how to you know, learn trades,

learn things that are going to be beneficial. You know, they're they're they're not they're not doing none of that stuff. They're they're limiting what we're able to do for ourselves, and they're creating, you know, more dependency on like you know, uh, robots and and things that are you know, do our jobs. And you know, so children don't don't grow up with that initiative to to want to to learn things and to do it for themselves, because they're just kind of like, oh what do I need it for?

You know, there's technology now, yeah, I don't need to you know. I mean back in the day, I still remember my dad used to take us on trips. You know, we used to go everywhere, um and Roswell basically almost all all of New Mexico. Um. I've been through all those areas and visited Silver City, all these places, you know, but I remember that my father back in those days, he had a map, you know, foldable map. Absolutely, we didn't. We didn't even have a Tom Tom back then. We had a straight up map.

It was a map, you know. And it's like if if you try to introduce that nowadays to you know, let's say, uh, and I'm not saying that all youth is you know, ignorant, they're not done. But the scale of it, you know, if you hand it to someone, they're just gonna be like, what do I do with this? You know, I'm lost. I can't get to my destination where there's food, water and supplies. You know. Let me just pull on my phone. Oh but you don't have a phone. Oh well, and I guess you

know, I'm goner. That's why I drive a stick shift. I can leave my windows down and I'm not have to worry about anybody stealing it. That's so true. No, you're right, there's all those things that we're just we're moving away from it, you know, and it's it's scary to see, you know, because you know, when we think about it, like I said, we don't know when when the time's coming, you know, we don't know at any time. We don't know if it could be

tomorrow or one hundred years, We don't know when. But at the rate that we're going, you know, with our society, with our civilization, the way that we're going, it's it's scary to see that, you know, all this power is is being given to just an organization. You know. I mean, like I said, Matthew had taught me to said, you know, they're trying to take all this power like by you know, twenty thirty. You know, they're they're trying to get you know, created

a one world you know, power with and all that stuff. And I've seen, you know, he's shown me so many different other documentaries. I've like I said, I could sit here only and talk about so many different things because I've I've been down a blessed to be for like, you know, almost a year. But you know, it's it's scary. It is scary, you know, and we we we need to get we need to

put all this information out more. You know, people need to you need to start waking up kind of like the matrix, right, give them that a red pill, right, that's right. And there's some people say, well it's twenty thirty it's it's way down the road. Listen twenty fifteen. When you say twenty fifteen, that seems like a couple of years ago. Twenty fifteen was eight years ago. We are only six and a half years away from twenty thirty exactly. And it's I mean, there's just so many

things. Uh. Like I said, when I try to, you know, talk to whoever I want want to talk to, I don't. I don't. I don't go straight. I dropped the bread crumbs and do all this stuff. But it's like you show them little things I've told them about, like you know, the the the preconditioning of so many things. You know, and I never thought about it. But when they when you learn

it about it, it's like kind of like the globes and stuff. And when they teach you, like you know, you know when I've led off with this before with the universal pictures, right, and I'm like, what's the first thing you see when you see in a movie? They go, yeah, oh, it's like that universal I'm like, yeah, but not the universe. But what is it. It's like, Oh, it's it's the Earth, you know. That's I'm like, that's what you think it is? There it's like, yeah, well, that's that's our earth,

that's us. And I'm like, and you see it every time you see a movie, you know it. It's preconditioning your mind. And then there's their way of telling us the truth. Every time a Disney thing kicks off, it kind of throws the firmaman at you, that little sparkly thing over the top of Disney that pops up. Yeah, what did you say? You said, Hollywood gives us, Yeah, the lies in the media and truth in Hollywood. Yes, yeah, and it and it is and it's

just you know, um, it's tough. It's tough, George, But you know, I'm just glad that, um, I'm able to have all this knowledge. And one thing that I will touch touch on greatly is you know, um, I think my friend Matthew for this, because he did say it was like, you know, reiterate the fact of you know, discernment. The gift. It's a gift, you know, I feel it's it's a gift because we we were given this gift. You know, I feel I was given this gift to understand, you know, discern all these

things. But it's a gift to be able to use right now you know, to to use it and appreciate it because it is it's almost like you were given this gift of vision to be able to help others remove that you know, that that bail from their eyes, you know. And and I'm I'm grateful. I've gone through so many things in my life and obviously you know, I won't go into detail of that stuff, but it hasn't been an easy life. But I'm truly blessed and grateful that God has helped me,

and He's helped me in so many ways. He's been there with me. I know he holds me by the hand and carries me in the right direction. And I know to this day that this right here, where I'm at right now is not by you know, some coincidence something. No, it's it's it feels right because it's his gift to connect people in this world that I believe. You know, we're on the narrow path, you know, I'm not on the white path, because that's the easy way in life.

The things that are the truth in this life, they will set you free. But it's hard. It's hard, and nobody wants to do it. Because if it was that easy, when I try to you know, convince my family members too. It's like, well, why aren't we all just thinking the earth is flat? Then? Why isn't it not the earth is flat? And to the globe people or people that believe the earth is ground, and you know, we think that they're crazy, you know stuff, Why isn't it not like that? Yeah, you know, it's it's

it's it's a blessing, you know, I feel it is. And I'm just thankful, you know, to have this information because yeah, surely my children, you know, I have a have a daughter, and uh, I hope, um, as she gets older, I hope that I'm able to you know, feature this stuff through the discernment that God gives me and

hopefully I'm able to help her understand these things. And I have faith that, um, she'll be able to also you know, pass this on hopefully once she understands it, because you know, these these generations that are to come, they're they're going to be here after us, and we just got to hope that they're you know, making the right choices and helping you know, fight you know, the evil. It's always a good versus evil fight in this world. It's all principalities in a spiritual warfare, you know.

Yeah, it's that's exactly what it is. It's it's good versus evil. And if you're going to teach your children anything, discernment should be. It is certainly in your top three because if you look what they've thrown at us the last three years, discernment can literally save your life, Yes, sir, and that's do you want to go down the narrow way and be the odd man out but still have your health and your your faith and not that

if you went the other way you didn't have your faith. Don't please misconstrume me. But um, everything that comes from your your television is meant to deceive you. You know. Every now and then, of course they're going to sprinkle in some truth with the lies, because if they if they straight up lie to us every single time, people would eventually catch on. And that is at the core of Deceit is to take a little truth, mix it in with a little lies, just enough to deceive you to get you

go down the path that they want you to go down. Exactly. I mean it's hard for them to keep up with their lives now, yeah,

exactly. Just like when you were a kid, you told a couple of FIBs and you're trying to remember what you said to mom last time, and you end up, you know, getting yourself caught eventually, and the technology as well with it too, you know, I mean we've we've seen so many I mean it's just some some crazy dump stuff, you know, when they've talked about also we lost all the you know, the data and all

this stuff. We don't have that technology anymore. Okay, all right, well but we have technology back then in those times, but then now we don't have it. You know, they know that they there's going to come a time when they're not going to be able to keep up a technology. You know, people are asking, well, when they do do this, you know, when they go to the moon or are they do an orbital

pass or whatever, are they going to do a live feed? And you know they're going to tell you no, probably now we're just do a couple of cut ins here and kind of well, of course, because you know that there's so much technology out here and people that are going to be able to recognize a live feed and be able to see like it doesn't look right.

They might even see a couple of air bubbles. You know, I've seen all those videos, I've seen all the Nazi stuff, and then it's just you know, the wires and all this stuff, and I'm just kind of like, you know, that's why the people that have not seen that stuff they believe it. But it's not until you see it that do that. Then do you believe And you're just like whoa, Like wait, because

it's there, all this information is there. It's there for us. We could see it, and there's people, like I said, as yourself that are helping us see that. But the problem is that that's what I'm saying, is that youth or humanity is they're losing the initiative to go and get

online and look it up. Instead, they'd rather be on their social media, they'd rather be doing other things, other different vices that are you know, constructed and created there by the government to keep you busy so that you don't go in there and look at all this stuff up. Yeah, that's that's the problem. Indeed, our priority and Kevin just mentioned about the water bubbles, U ta take post the podcast for a second and look up NASA

Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory. A lot of these things they film are right there in Houston, Texas thirteen thousand Space Center Boulevard. You'll see things that look like the ISS and uh, you'll see people underwater doing their training. And then you'll also see a very famous picture of George hw Bush being wheelchaired in and in the background, Uh, you see that one of the guys who quote unquote was on the isssu standing in front of a green screen. YEP,

I mean the movie what was then Interstellar and all this stuff. Like when I when I try to I use this also for like a convincing argument. I'll tell them be like I'm like, okay, well, I mean if you know they could do this, you know with Sandra Bullock or whatnot, you know, and you see it in your own TV and you're just like, wow, that looks so real. I'm like, why can't ask to

do that? Also? And yet you don't know who at the next whoever the astronauts are, whoever you know, you see them, you don't know them, so you don't think that they're a movie actressing. But they're doing exactly the same thing that Sandrew Bullock was doing, So why can't they do that and make you believe that they're also in space? So then you know, they'll sit there and they're kind of their brain will kind of be, you know, clicking a little bit and be like, well, I don't

know, I mean maybe, I'm like, oh maybe. Every time I hear them say the maybe word, I counted as a win. I do. I taliate it all my little you know, because it's better to hear that maybe than no, no, no, Because once you got them at maybe, you're just kind of like, okay, you know you you planted the steed now that means yeah, and eventually got them think exactly, and

you see that as a part right there that helps us. You know, I understand that critical thinking aspect of life that I think every human being should have. We don't do it as much. There's not a lot of critical thinkers in this world because sometimes their upbringing, you know, they were oppressed or they were abusishness, so they don't they don't want to go back to

that because there's a negative connotation to their experience, you know. But if you help them you don't understand that hey, it's okay for you to ask questions, it's okay for you to think on your own. Then it allows that mind to grow and be able to say, well, maybe maybe it is this other way, because all I've been ever taught is that it's just this way that's right, and there's legitimate meaning to the truth will set you free, because you know, for May flat Earth was that last part of

the puzzle. And just like Manley P. Hall said, there was a great veil that fell, and I realized, I only answer to God. Right, I'll respect man's laws and everything, but I only answer to God. I don't I don't have to go to the Constitution to say I have freedom of speech. God gave me the right to have freedom of speech.

And they've been very smart about how again, which like you said, through the education system, how we always refer back the government said I can do it right, And that's that's kind of how they get a hook line and sinkers to completely depend on them. And even going way back to what you said thirty minutes ago, is about how they want us to depend on them. People freak out when there's a shortage of something at the grocery store.

Oh my gosh, there's not enough of this because it's not at the grocery store. And instead of us figuring out alternative ways to supply yourself with these type of things. We just keep going to other grocery stores because even so, even if you hoard so much of X, Y or Z, whether it be rice or corn or whatever, it eventually could run out. What

are you doing personally to be able to replenish your stock? Make sure you know, if it's at all possible, grow your own food, not just because you can supply yourself, because you know it's not having all that nasty GMO stuff in it, exactly. Big, I mean, I agree with that completely. My grandfather, Um, I remember when I was a child, he uh he had a he had a garden in his backyard and uh. He passed away when I was about maybe eight years old, so I

was very young. But I remember that growing up with him, like I would. I would go back there with him in the weekends and go back. He'd be back there like six seven in the morning, you know,

watering rake and doing all stuff. He had all kinds of different um vegetation and fruits and trees and all this stuff, you know, and it was it was beautiful to me because I was like, we don't got to go to the store down there, and you know, and and and and buy something like I just pick it out of the tree and it was fresh natural, you know it. It's let me tell you, it's so scary because

I worked through the pandemic right when when it hit in March. Um I was still here in Opasso, So I was working here in Opasso, and and I worked at a grocery store and when it hit, you know, they give us these little papers that said you're an essential worker. Um and I remember our bosscut and it says he's like, hey, which is kind of funny because it's funny that they knew this was already gonna happen, right, They already had those papers ready to go. Yeah, they had him.

And I remember they called us in and one of my um my boss, he called me. He's like, here, you need to sign, you know, sign a paper too that they were giving us this too, which was kind of funny at the time. I was like, okay that let me be saying. He's like, carry this with you if it happens or if it doesn't, you know, but just have it on you because you'll be an essential worker and you'll be able to come through here and and work. But at the time, I was like, come through here.

What you're making seem like I gotta go through the DMZ or something like what what are you talking about? Like I gotta you know, and he was just like just holding and sure enough, I think it was like a couple of days there or the next day or something. You know, They're like everybody stay home. Nobody moved unless you're an essential working and goal. So I was just like, okay, grab my little paper. I stuffed it in my backpack. Um. I lived relatively close to I was like probably

about I minute walk away from from my work. So I ended up walking and I'm going through this empty lot, sure and others two police units and there in their vehicles, and I'm walking by, and sure enough, they roll up right next to me and they look at me, and I think they didn't really question me so much because I was wearing, you know, my uniform with the hat and the logo of the store right across the street. So I just looked at me and they said, hey, you worked

there, and I was like, um, yeah I do. And I started getting my paper out and so I kind of opened it up and they were just like okay, no, no, you're good didn't even look at it, and it's but they're just like, yeah, you're good, go ahead. So you know, I was just like, okay, that's that's

weird, you know, like what's going on. But what I'm trying to get to the point is that once we had people going in there shopping, like when you work there and you see everybody coming in and you know they don't have the freedom to be out and about when they go in there, it was like almost chaos. You know, they're walking and they're trying to buy this. There was fights and suing here and there, you know, over this and that, like and you know, I'm trying to work through

it. And it was just kind of like something to see in a lifetime where you're just like, you know, hey, what's going on. You know, like they're they're finding over something I think is not going to be available when the next truck's coming out. Oh but wait, there's no truck now coming out because the shipping a part of the you know, the factory is closed out too, so now they don't have you know, they're not

going to be here anymore. And so it was just something that's very scary to see the dependency of people, you know, not just the control of the government that you know, kind of felt like a martial law, you know, can't leave your house, you know, all this other stuff. But there there wasn't an uh a snowstorm that hit in Austin in twenty twenty one, I believe, and they weren't prepared. I think you might have heard of it, my daughter, Yeah, yeah, I actually was there,

and it was horrible. I mean, our apartment was like you know, it was all electricity, so electricity went. We have no means, but I thankfully again, I worked at a at a grocery store there, and I remember that we were called in to go only like five of the show. It was only three cashiers, myself and another groceries person, and nobody wanted to, you know, come to work because I mean the condition of the drive was just horrible. You know, you couldn't drive. It

was all ice everywhere. So there's a long line of people waiting outside. They're just bagging open the doors. We need to get in by stuff. I'm like, I can't let you in, like we don't we don't have money, like we don't have the keys and stuff. So they said, there's only one person that's that has the combination, and she's willing to come over here, but her parents said that they're not allowing her to drive. So if anybody wants to go, you know, you guys, somebody can

go and pick her up. So I was like, okay, you know what, I need to get stuff for me too, so let me go pick her up. A long story where she came back whipping the store. The hordes of people. It just something think you wouldn't ever see, but you will only see in like a movie. These lines were long, all the way to the back. I walked the store in the beginning, was able to get a couple of stuff put it to the side. By the end of the night, this store looked like an apocalypse, like empty shelves

everything. There's people sitting standing outside. They're arguing. They're like, come on, you guys, gotta let us in. There's still one hundred and fifty people waiting outside and cold. I got two hundred people inside of the store, and then one of our players couldn't close the door, so I said, here, I walked over there, closed the door. I said. People are like mad, They're like, hey, man, you gotta think about our children. You gotta think about it, you know, as

we gotta get food too. And I looked at him, I said, look, let me tell you something. You need to relax, because you got to think about us too. We've been working here for like almost twelve hours straight, trying to help as much people as we can. I said, you want me to think about your children, I said, you got to think about mine too, and the people that I need to take care of as well too. We need to relax, calm down because this is

getting out of hand. You know, we gotta get these people out to and it's probably gonna be another two hour If I let you in, I'm never getting out of here. I said, that doesn't work like that. So they were like, you know what, some people are like, yeah, guys, let's relax, let's go. And I say, they were like, are you gonna open up tomorrow? Say yeah, we'll open up again tomorrow, but we need to get out of here first, and and

and you know it was handled. We left. But again it's those situations to to drive the point of this is that you see how even a single ice storm or something like that can have people, you know, lose their sense of civility, you know, they're they're they're just the dependency of it. And now just to put into thought, imagine something really great, as a war here in this country, something like that happens. I mean, those were just ice storms and a pandemic that was you know, creative and

it, but you imagine something in the scale of that. It's scary to see that people can't think for themselves. That's right, they can't. They can't do things on their own because the government take directions and run with it

without even questioning it or like you said, using discernment. And I think that that whole the last three years, I mean, obviously it had a lot of goals completed, but I think it's a lot of it was also more conditioning for the next one because people will I still think people ninety percent will still be quick to comply. Is that is that I've been hearing that a little bit bigger. I think I'm gonna hurt it. Is that something that they're they're planning to do him again? Oh yeah, they listen.

Fauci told us before in twenty seventeen, he said, during this administration, and he said several times over the last six weeks that next year we're going to have another one. And next year is the next election, so it certainly makes sense. Wow. I mean yeah, that's well, and that if they spend that with a war on top of it, it's going to be mayhem. Well yeah, I mean didn't they say something like that to

distract? I mean they did all this during the twenty twenty and all this stuff to you know, get somebody out of office and all the stuff. They do this purposee for a different an angle. You know, they got something in their hand right here, but they're holding something behind their backs. Yeah, they did one hundred years ago. They did the same thing,

just in reverse. They had a world war from what nineteen fourteen to nineteen seventeen, and then they had a pandemic in nineteen eighteen to you know for a couple of years. So they've run this playbook before, just in reverse. Wow. I mean it's they do say history repeats itself, right, Yeah, it's the semi family lineage in charge that's just passed down generation to

generation the playbook. And I was going to say, do you believe that's something that that's what the you know, the occults the Freemason and stuff like they have this playbook, sure that's scripted it out, and do you believe that that's something that you know, they have with them, that they possess that obviously we can't get to it. But if we could get to it,

what then it's a that's the million dollar question for sure. It all starts with us just getting out, walking away from the program and not complying. That that was the biggest thing I screamed on other podcasts for three years. Stop complying, for goodness sakes, stop listening to people who don't have any control of your life. And it's true, because they control you everything.

I mean, there's so many people going out that you know, they were talking about the you know, going to the court system and all this stuff. You know, some people are you don't need a lawyer, You don't need a lawyer, open all this stuff. You know, you can do this yourself because ultimately all those people are there to serve you, you know, just like all these public servants. But again become to a point where it's like they no longer serve us. We're the ones serving them.

That that's what they believe. Absolutely where were their minions and you know, what that's not right now that I don't know how how people can wake up every morning and be okay with that. Yeah, you know, supposedly when this country was founded, you were supposed to step away from the private practice and you know, serve around or two and you know, the senator,

the state representative or whatever, and then go back to private practice. But you see how that's just been a manipula, aated like everything else in our world, and it's abused and it seems like every four years somebody's running on term limits and it never happens, and none of it does. It's just

it's just empty promises over and over again. It is because it's what the same things, right, they promise you the same date, They debate over the same things or the same reasons, the same causes, and nothing ever gets done. And you know it, actually it gets worse, and it does. And you know, I think someone said it in one of your podcast he said, it's just like you know, left wing right wing. I don't care. He's like they need each other to flap. Anyways,

that's right, it's the same corrupt bird, that's for sure. I wanted to ask you. We got about twenty minutes left. Had you gone down the rabbit holes before you got the flutter Earth like the nine to eleven and the JFK and the nineteen sixty nine with the Apollo missions. No, I actually hadn't gone down with them. I hadn't like researched it or looked into it. But again, I think it was just my intuitive side. Um. I obviously you know, saw it and felt it and didn't do something.

But then every now and then you look at uh. I looked at YouTube videos here and there in the years afterwards, and you know, just see certain things where there was like you know, they're showing that there's like C four going off. Um, you know, all these things happening. So I didn't really dive into it. Um. I wish I had, though, I think maybe that would have helped me go down the rabbit hole

a lot sooner. Yeah, And that's that's what's really interesting to me, because I'm starting to meet people where h flat Earth is one of their first rabbit holes, and I find that really really interesting. Well, it's it's I mean, it's kind of like the pillar. Oh absolutely, it's the old you know. Yeah, if anybody ever asked me like well, why do you go with that? Why not go with I'm like, well, because that's the pillar of it. It's the old Age, like it's it's

from it all started. I said, you know, you know Copernicus unless like you know it just it's the pillar of it. Um. I was in UH. I was in fourth grade. Actually, I remember Miserable Eagles class. And I was thinking about this the other day too, because I was like, you know when that happened. I remember I was in in my UH, I was in our apartment and my dad turned on TV. So I first he was like whoa when I walked in there, and I'm

like, what's going on? And you know, he's showed us. And sure enough when I go to get dropped off in school, Um, they they they had um TVs everywhere like they wanted to show you this. You know, I think about this also. It's like they they they they sat you there and they there was no learning, There's no you know, go back to math quiz, go back to whatever. No, just sit here

and watch this. You know again, it's it's no choice, you you they they didn't give me any choice whether I wanted to see this or not. You know, it's kind of like again like the preconditioning, you know, the indoctrination, like see this, so that you know what's going on,

what we want you to know. So it's just something again that when I was young, you don't think about those things because obviously you're they're taking advantage of that that you're young, you know, fresh mind, we can manipulate it however you want to. But as you get older, all these things come back and you're just like, you know, now it makes sense

absolutely. I mean, your mind is you know, you're basically handed over to the state from the time you're you're six until you're almost eighteen, if not eighteen, I mean you're talking twelve, and if you go to college up to sixteen years of in a doctrination, and then you get so busy with your family and work, you don't you know, for some people, they don't get the chance to even go down the rabbit hole to the thirties,

forties, fifties or how old it is. And obviously in some cases, the older you are, the more difficult it is to deep program yourself, and the old saying it's harder to tell somebody that they've been lied to than to say hey, you know then just to straight out lie to them, and that is a big part of what these guys do to us. You know, I'll make this rapp it. I won't take too long with it because I know we haven't limited time, but I will say that my

my biggest challenge has been my father. Like I said, he's a Vietnam veteran. He was born in forty nine, and he's been the biggest challenge. When I I think it was about maybe a few months back, probably three four months, I try to talk with him. I had tried to sit down with him and try to get to him, and oh boy, good luck trying to talk to a seventy year old man that's had seventy years in the doctrinational all this stuff that he's you know, he for everything.

He was just like no, no, no, that looks Air Force and ass they're not gonna lie to them. They do all this stuff. This is what they go to school. Like. It was hard, but I had a good couple of little gut punches in there, you know. I want to say that was kind of like he kind of like stumble a little bit and was just kind of like quiet and then well, you know, at the end, he was just like, well, what does all this mean anyways to you? What does it matter if it's if it's true or

not, you know, whether the earth is flat or around. And I remember just sitting there and telling him, I said, you know what, bad I said, it matters to me because it's part of my history. You know, you had your history, you had a role to play in this life. And we're coming to a point in our lives. You know, as we go into a new generation, new generation, we have different roles. So it matters a lot to me because if it is true, if it isn't true, you know what, guess what I want to find

out why I want to have the free will? You know, I think that's what ultimately God's gift to us was that, you know, it's free will. He didn't he didn't make didn't he didn't make us. He didn't he didn't make our author to impose on us. You know, they're free willing us to make us choose, you know what they're telling us to do. We're in this for a free will choice to choose what we wanted to believe, whether we're right or wrong. You know, that's our life.

And when I told him that, he was just kind of like, you know what, okay, And I said, so, do you believe it now or no? He's like, I'm not too sure yet, you know, but he's like, I appreciate the way that that you're thinking, and you know, um, until I see it, I see it, you know, I'll believe it then. And I'm like, okay, fair enough. Is he completely on board with the moon landings and everything? Um?

I guess, he says in this time because I guess what forty nine he would have been twenty, right, Yeah, so he I remember I asked him and I was like, how how was it? Like, you know what do you remember it? He's like, well, you know, it was nice. Everybody was kind of gathered up. They talked about it, but you know, I didn't really think much of it. He was like I just believed him. And I'm like, just like that, and he

was just like, yeah, I just I just blew. I'm like, but now that I'm telling you this and I'm showing this all this, you don't BELI He's like, well, maybe, you know, so there was a part that just it's never too late, you know, But it does get a lot harder, indeed, so older than they are, you know, because it's like you said, think about all that pre program all that

stuff. It's harder to deprogram. Uh you know computer that has you know, eight percent of it's RAM and all this stuff, you know, fed up and you try to clear it a post to something that's only twenty percent, it's a lot easier, you know. So well, he's yeah, he's he's my dad, like I said, and you know, he respects my views, and like I said, I respect everybody's views, absolutely anybody.

And my mom's the same way. She's uh, she'll be seventy six this year, and uh you you and your dad's story and my me and my mom's story. They mirror each other. And it's the same with respect you. I'm not gonna force my mom to believe, you know, in a certain way. But it's for me. The older I get, the more almost urgent it becomes because I want to you know, I want to

share the knowledge, and I just want the truth. I don't care what the truth is in the end, it's just it's just very obvious that we've been lied to for a very long long time. So if you're in a relationship with someone and they continue to lie with them, to lie to you, You're not going to continue to believe that person. So why do we

do the same with government? And I understand that. I mean, listen, government goes all the way back to Nimrod, you know, the first you know, some people call Nimrod the first government in the world with a Tower of Babbel and everything else. And since then it's been a power struggle of the elite to you know, stay illuminated at the top, keep the lower class dumb and poor and fighting amongst themselves. And they've done a heck

of a job doing that. Oh yeah, wells definitely. I mean we probably could have sat here and talked about so much, so much things you're in the Tower of Babel and all the stuff to do. I use it as well too, and I try to, you know, give them a little bit enlightening too to their thoughts and just be like, you know, this is a fight that you know, it's been going on for for a long time, and uh, I feel they know the truth and they know

that some of us know the truth. But you know, they have control over the masses right now, and we hope that soon, you know, we get the truth. That's all I think we all want. If if you sat down with a stranger at a restaurant and you were able to lay down, if you could give them three flat Earth fects, what are your top three that you would lay down to try to get somebody to at least

consider a flatterth oh Man Top three? One one, I mean I would talk about you know, the sun, the local sun, you know the rays. It's just something that just I try to tell them, like how it's something that's ninety three million miles away, you know casting you know light rais that are you know at an angle so close? You know. That's that's one thing that that I would uh talk about. Um, you know. The other thing is uh. Number two would be uh, you know

the gravity, hoax, buoyancy and density. That's all it is, you know. Um. And I believe a third one would probably be you know, probably with the with the NASA with the NASA Moon moon landing. You know those those videos just there was a guy talking about saying that he saw

he remembers as a child. They would show these videos. It's kind of like scattered, sort of blurry movies where it was like a voice narrating saying, you know, here we see venus, you know, and in the background or you know, but it's showing this video from like so far away, like it's like, you know, out there and it's telecasting this vision and then here is our blue marble Earth and there's a moon. But then they're like, you know, I would help them see like how does that

technology exist back then but doesn't exist now? You know? Yep? I think those you know, they're old bangers for sure, and that would certainly get their attention. And I'm glad you brought that up because this is a second person an email I'm gonna bring up in our conversation. So this young

lady Kat from Massachusetts. She's actually been a longtime friend of our other podcast, but she emailed the other day and she made a great point because with gravity we talk about buoyancy and density, but to her it never really completely checked the box. But she said, what was the big question that determined up or down? And she said in her research she came across electrostatic force, which is governed by a law, which is not necessarily a theory.

So that's something that she says every source I've looked at says the ground has a net negative charge, so anything that is even slightly positively charged will be attracted to it according to the laws of magotism. I just wanted to drop that in there, and this is one of the emails I'll be bringing up in a podcast in the coming days. But it's a it's a great, great little nugget there. Okay, but yeah, I'm the same way. Sorry, No, I'm sorry. It just for some reason, it just

kind of cut off right now. UM, I wasn't able to hear you fully. Um, I know you were talking about um, I think it was from Massachusetts, and then it just kind of cut off. Oh, I'm sorry, it's it's yeah. For some reason, I don't know why. It's just I didn't catch the whole part. In the next line it came back, I was like, whoa, it's probably the dang NSA messing

with me again. Um. She was saying one of her one of her biggest stumbling blocks when she was researching the flat Earth was gravity and it was bogus. But she also said that, uh, while like we say, density and buoyancy answers a lot of the questions. For her, it didn't completely check the box. So she was kind of to research what determines up and down and she just discovered electrostatic force, which she says is governed by

law, not just a theory. And she says every source that she's looked at says the ground has a negative charge, so anything that is even slightly positive charged will be attracted to it according to the laws of magnetism. She goes on, I'll bring this up in an upcoming podcast when I do the listener emails. But that's a pretty good information. No, it sounds very interesting. Definitely, we'll be looking forward to that. Yeah, for sure.

So this is You've been a tremendous guest, bringing lots of information, and I wanted to kind of give you the last few minutes with any closing thoughts, but I should ask you first, was there anything that we that you wanted to cover that we hadn't touched on? No? No, Honestly, like I said once, anybody that's been down this rabbit hole for I think maybe as long as I have, for probably even less, doesn't matter.

It's just there's so much to talk about it. We could go on for hours and hours, and you know, I'm, like I said, I'm truly honored. Thank you so much, George for you know, answer my email having me on here. Um, you know it's anybody else out there. Uh, you know, this is something great to be a part of. And uh, never stop doing your research, you know, UM, have that initiative, you know, make that free real choice to to think and be a critical thinker and then and you know, seek the truth.

You know, don't don't just listen to what they they want to tell you. But Julie, it's an honor George, thank you for having me on here. Well, it's been a pleasure having you. And uh, if you all, if Kevin's message resonates and you want to reach out and uh have a chat with him, I will have Kevin's email. Um it's Kevin dot Rodriguez five at g dot Austin, CC dot edu. But don't

worry about trying to write that down. It will be in the show descriptions, so you can copy and paste it and send an email and reach out to Kevin and you can pick his brain about some of the subjects that we talked about tonight, or maybe you might catch him in the chat room or in the forum on the Flat Earth files dot com. It's been a really great episode I hope to hear. I hope we can do this again in the future. By the way, I should mention Kevin, I've been I've

mentioned this to a a few other folks we've had on the program. I'm looking to do a round table in the very near future to have a few folks on and we can just kind of all go about and have some really good discussions. So I'll be reaching out to a few of the folks that we've had on in the past here in the very near future. It's something I was hoping to get done by now, but life happens. This is a pretty busy time of year for us. So thank you so much for

being a part of this podcast. Thank you to all the listeners, to all the emailers. Keep dropping those breadcrumbs, folks. If you wake someone up, they'll wake someone up, and it's you know, it will continue this great awakening which we are really seeing now. For Kevin, I'm George. I hope everybody has a great week. God bless you all, and until next time, my friends, we will see you