Episode 37: Flat Earth Conversation with Donnie

M The following presentation is all Marvel Studios production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files, episode thirty seven and joining us here in just a moment, we're gonna have a flat Earth conversation with Donnie from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Before we do, just a reminder, questions, comments, concerns. If you'd like to join the program, like Donnie is here. The email addressed is the

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stop by and say hello. And you can also register at the bottom of the web page and subscribe for email updates. So there you go, without any further Ado, let's bring Donnie from Albuquerque in. Donnie, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. It's a beautiful day over here in alu Querque. Yeah, it's it's been a pretty nice weekend here, a little a little warm for this time of year, but we'll be gone back to the seasonal seasonal temperatures, uh this coming week. So again, thanks

for taking the time to join us, for reaching out. And um, it's interesting that you are someone who you would think in a lot of work where you would account for curvature, et cetera. And we'll get into all that. I'm getting ahead of myself already. UM, go ahead and introduce yourself and tell our audience a little bit about you, okay, Yeah, Yeah, I was born and or raised in a in a Catholic conservative family.

So I was believed in Jesus early age, you know, and and um, but you know, school went after going to school, you know, they teach thee. They steer you away from that, right, they steer you away from God and and and Jesus. Um. So you know I questioned that through through out my you know, throughout my life, you

know. But um, I was always interested, you know, during school, I was always interested in in mysteries, conspiracy theories, right like Bermuda Triangle, Aliens, big Foot, you know, especially uh the jfk assassination where you know, just looking into that a little bit at a pretty young age, you know, it was pretty clear that I didn't think that Lee

Harvey Oswald did it, you know. So um Um, But I you know, got married, started raising some kids, and um didn't really get to look in to go down the rabbit hole too much for uh for quite a while until um, you know, I got divorced. I had a lot more time on my hands, and then uh, um, yeah, I started and I started reading the Bible more too, um at that point,

um, after divorce, and uh. And you know one thing that really stuck out to me is, uh, you know I free which uh which scripture it is exactly, but you know the truth will set you free, right, And that that really stood out to me. So so I like, I like your podcasts how you call yourself a truther and um and uh you know I've heard you mentioned that scripture before many times. Um,

and so yeah, it's that's that's something I believe deeply. And you know, the truth will set you free, you know, um, and searching

for the truth and so uh, you know, I just uh. Um, you know, going through life, you know, watching watching uh TV, watching uh Breaking Bad and watching a mobster movies and watching Narcos and UM American Maide is one of them that stuck out to me, where you know, our government is involved in uh in trafficking drugs and um and we're supposed to believe that, you know, that was the past and they don't do

that anymore, you know exactly. And I know that was a tremendous eye opening movie and everybody, and it's amazing that you know, Tom Cruise, I mean that really shows and obviously they released it thirty some years after the fact, but still, I mean that was based on real events, that that was real time. Uh it's yea and yeah, and what they did to that guy, I mean it was it was just just mind boggling, you know, both working for both sides, and he didn't stand a chance.

They usually chew you up and spit you out when they're done with you, right, yep, yep, And so you know, just uh and then eventually you know, like I, um actually didn't pay too much attention to politics, uh, you know up through through Trump right, Like I didn't pay too much attention I saw I didn't like Trump at all. Right, I couldn't stand him. I couldn't stand Hillary. Um, and I didn't I didn't vote that twenty sixteen election. And then when and Trump won,

I was like, I was shocked, you know. But um, and I didn't pay attention to politics at all. I didn't. I didn't care what was going on. So um. But then I met my my uh you know, pro Trump Christian girlfriend, an amazing woman. Um, and she she kind of she turned around to Trump. You know, we'd argue about him at first, and she said, you know, just listen to what he has to say. And so I started, uh, you know, listening to him, and a couple of things that I uh,

you know, a couple of things I liked that he did. You know, I think it was NATO where he where he said, you know, where the United States is is carrying the world's back, world on its back, paying for all these other countries, you know, and so that was big to me. And then and then his fake news. You know, like I early on, I thought, you know, he's just uh, um, I could I just couldn't stand him, you know, he's arrogant. But then when I looked into it. I was like, yeah,

yeah, the news really they really do lie. You know, they lie a lot, they they and then eventually it's like all they do is lie. Uh you know, after a while you figure that out. Um and so so yeah, I mean I think Trump kind of you know, led

me to flat Earth. But you know, there's there's some other other conspiracies, you know that I started looking into, um, you know, like looking into the Vatican and and some of the symbolism that's going on there, and um and secret societies and and then um, you know, tartaria and giants and to the Smithsonian hiding all that stuff. And another thing was Epstein and and um and you know, looking into Adrenochrome a little bit. And then that was huge for me though, like the whole Epstein you know,

quote unquote killing himself. Um. You know, of course no one believes

that. But that's when I realized that this world is run by a bunch of pedophile Satanists, you know, and so and not just that just blows my mind so um um so so once I believe that, once I knew that, my mind was open to believe, to believe that the Earth could be flat, you know, um, and you know, and then another some some ore stuff that just that that that stood out to me was just all the murders, right like JFK of course and then um, but just

throughout history, you know, uh, Martin Us King, Junior, Malcolm X uh, Bruce Lee, like Kurt Kobe, and even like Michael Jackson and Prince like some of the some of these people they're they're just speaking. They just say too much and they end up you know, committing suicide or overdosing or getting into a crazy car accident or whatever, you know. And so yeah, you know, and I feel like it's the words of a

person that is that has died in those circumstances. Um, you know, we need to listen to the words that they that they say, and of course they're going to be censored. They're hard to find. But you know, you listen to some of what Michael Jackson said, um before he died, and he talks about you know, all they're doing is lying to us,

you know. UM. And and some of his songs you listen, and Kurt Cobain too, like some some of the songs and the videos that he put out are are just you know, mind opening, and and they say a lot when you listen to the lyrics and you watch his videos. Um, you know they took him out for sure. Um. I have a theory about that. And I have a theory that a certain band member was involved in that and was rewarded mightily and still reap success. But that's

a story for another day. Really. Oh nice, that's that's I'd like to hear that one. Um. And And yeah, I mean I think I think there's more. You know, the data music died right the American Pie song. I've always liked that song, and I think there's there's a deeper meaning to it, and I think there's something in the music industry happened that day. You know, those guys were doing something that the music industry didn't like, and I think something might have happened there too, you know.

Yeah, it's it's interesting. I can tell you're a big music guy. I think one of the more fascinating thing. Michael Jackson sure did start to talk a lot toward the end, and some things that the music industry didn't want certain lights to be shined on. But the other very interesting thing which you pointed out was Prince and a lot of people forget that Prince was really starting to say some things that very much like Michael Jackson, didn't want

to get out. Um, but with these people, they were very much into numerology and too these things, and that they intentionally killed him. On April the twenty first, he had a song on Purple Rain called I Would uh for You, And of course the number four would represent April writes the fourth month, and then the letter you is the twenty first letter in the alphabet. So there's your I would die for you and your your April twelve first. Wow. Yeah, that that is wild. That is wild.

Um, that's the but yeah, the police had a very um, I didn't mean to interrupt you. But in eighty three Synchronicity, their biggest album, they had a hidden track called Murder by Numbers and it was about Jamatria. Murder by numbers. ABC. It's easy to learn as your ABC's Oh wow, yeah, yeah that's right. That's right. Yeah, sorry about that. That's really cool. I might have to look into that a little

bit more too. Yeah that's really cool. Thanks for that. Um. But yeah, so so that's just more more you know, crazy stuff that just make opens your eyes to make you or just open your mind to accept that, you know, the earth might be flat and all this stuff. And then the twenty twenty election, you know, I think it was it was rigged for sure. And and you know the United States has a history

of rigging at elections all over the world. When you when you start watching you know, I remember watching au Oliver Stone documentary about Ukraine and and you know we we rigged the election over there. Um, yeah, definitely and um. And then of course you know, uh COVID now don't need to say too much about that, and and big pharma and and what they do to us uh um, and and how they control big decisions and the world,

you know. Um. And then food like I was just I was just outside today, uh, you know, plant sting, h our, our own, our own vegetables, you know, um, because we want to start staying away from the food that they're that they're giving us, you know. Um. And you know there's so much like climate change that you know, the climate has always changed. It's like they're just it's just fear fear mongering. They're just you know, it's the next something to be afraid

of, right, that's right. The next thing yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh and then you know, like just going down the rabbit hole chemtrails and ninety eleven um, and then uh, you know, just just politics in general. You know, my I'm forty four and all my life, you know, they always talk about the same issues and nothing gets done. You know. So uh that uh right there tells you that they're not

they're not trying to do anything right for the world. No, And okay, can I just interject really quick because you made a great point how they're always diverging your attention for the these things. The next thing, um, something that people miss the boat on. Uh a week ago, uh, you know, five or six days ago, the big thing was this guy on a beer can in address, this Dylan Mulvaaney, and that's all everybody's

been talking about. A day after that happened, Um, the White House announced that they gave five billion dollars to big pharmaceuticals for more vaccine development. But nobody talks about that. All everybody wanted to talk about the last week was some dude in address and a bud light can. All the while another five billion went to murk and uh and fiser. It's it's magic. Look

over here and look over here. Yep, s light a hand. Yeah, um, yeah, so that's uh but um, but yeah, I mean I think uh um, and I think reading the Bible too, um opened my mind to it too, you know, going going through I read most of the Bible, um, and uh you know, and I made a you know when I got when I got divorced, just real value in my life, I said, I'm going to read the Bible. So I'm

almost done. Um. But just a few things you learned from reading the Bible is that you know, for the most part, these these kings of Judah Israel were not good in the sight of the Lord, and and they worshiped other gods. They were they did satanic things right, and and there were only a few good kings throughout the history of the of the Bible, which tells me that that's how it is now. You know, like there's there's only very few good godly people, and it's mostly throughout history it's going

to be the evil ones that are running things. And so um. You know that that's what I learned from the from reading the Old Testament. And of course you know mentions giants, and there's there's constant warders in the Bible and and all that. But um, but then uh, um, I think like I started looking at the moon landing and flat Earth kind of at the same time. So um, I was when I started looking at the moon landing. But and I was like fifty fifty there for a while,

and then I started looking into flat Earth a little bit. And uh, and I just had so many questions, like like, looking at the Chicago skyline from where you know, you should see curve. There's no curve there. Um uh and uh, you know Nixon talking to the astronauts when when I drive, you know, five ten minutes from Albuquerque and I might not get cell reception, but Nixon was talking to the answer astronauts on the Moon in nineteen sixty nine on that phone. Yeah, that's one of my my

top five proofs. When you know, if if somebody says, give me your top five, that's always in my top five. The technology just didn't exist at the time. Yeah, Like, there's there's no way, there's no there's no way. And then I just watched a video of the two hours two hours long. The moon landing looks like it's uncut, but you can see through the astronauts in this video and I and that that blows my

mind. Like I'm sure they have some sort of technical excuse, but you know, a video is just a bunch of pictures, just over and over again, right right, So how can you how can you see through the astronauts if they're taking a video of of that area of you know, the lunar module and these astronauts walking around this lunar module and planting this flag and stuff. Um, it's it's actually pretty pathetic, um and so um.

But what really really got me, um was just I mean I didn't want to believe what other people were telling me, right, Like, I'm looking at all the stuff on TikTok YouTube and and uh and a lot a lot of interesting stuff. But the couple things that really got me where, um the stars and the moon and I and and when I when I heard you know, well look at look at the stars. We albvious see the same

stars, you know, no matter what time of year it is. And during the during the winter, we should we're facing one way into space, and during the summer we're facing a completely opposite way. At night into space, we should see a completely different sky. We should see no, almost zero common stars. And so I started I just started looking up at the looking up at the sky every day, looking at the sun, looking at the moon, looking at the stars, and um. And they say that,

you know, the moon is a reflection of the sun. And the day that I h that I was convinced, I was driving to work and the moon. It was during the day. You could see the moon and it was facing up to the left and the Sun was down to the right, or you know, it was just impossible like that that the sloon just can't be a reflection of the sun based on my observations, know, And

so that's when I knew it was they're lying about that. Like the and the and the moon, it's like it's own it looks like it's own light, and the both objects look closer than what they're telling us. And of course they've seen pictures where there's clouds behind the sun and and you know, my clouds behind the moon and that sort of thing. But I, I was, you know, just trying to use my own observations and and and

stuff like that, um to to make a decision. But that was the day that that I was like, you know what this it might actually be flat. And then I and then I had a dream that night too like that. I was mind blowing that that day when I saw that, and then um, and then I had a dream that night that where where it was like I, I just felt like, you know what, the Earth is flat and uh um. And so yeah, that's kind of how I

that's kind of how I got there. And there's there's just so much much there's there's too much werener van bron you know all the operations that that that we've done, um, trying to blow up the fermament um. Yeah, like high jump, dominic fish bowl, all those, Yeah, all of those the rockets in space like rock uh you know you need you need matter to push off um push off of to to accelerate. And so that doesn't make any sense. And and and also the atmosphere supposedly it's just open.

We have all this gas that's that's just held in by gravity. But yet a balloon can float. And I can see that with my eyes, a balloon that's floating in the air and a plane that's that's flying through the air. I can see that gravity is nowhere to be found for those objects. But it's holding a gas. It's holding a gas close to the Earth without a container. But when I when in science class, I learned that you know, gas fills the container, that it's uh uh that it's in right,

and so that that's a huge one too for me. Was was was was just that you know, like that gas um needs to have a container. Um. And of course all the all the CGI looking at NASA UM videos, all the green screen stuff, the pictures of space where I didn't really pay attention to it before, but when you when you look back at

it, yeah, that's all just CGI. That's just all. And then they have some technical scientific explanation for for what they need to do to create these and they tell us it's real, but they're just they're just images. It's all CGI and um um yeah, that's kind of that's kind of how I how I got there. And I didn't actually watch the you know, there's there's the Level and Next Level. UM. I didn't watch those until after I decided that that the Earth was flat and those are those are you

know, great documentaries. And and then I you know, watched the Truman Shoe Show after and and I think, I think, you know, some of these people like like Jim Carrey, I think he's a flat earthory and to come out with that movie, you know, and there's there's some uh, I think there's a lot of truth. They have to show us some truths and in their movies. And um and that was that was a super interesting one. And you know the telemetry data it's missing, um for from

for the moon landing. Um and and uh they destroyed the technology to go to the moon. Like it just none of it makes any sense. You know that there's never been a technology or an invention. You know that that this you know, it's like I've said before, waking up and your cell phone's not working and you drive down to the Horizon store, They're like, we just well the data we used for five G it's just we low.

We don't know how Wi fi and the fag kinetic connectivity works anymore. It's just not um that if it went the way it did, it would been you know, in a vault, uh, like the the Arc of the Covenant. It would be guarded. And it's simply uh, how it's delivered is it's just a complete force. And the only thing, listen, the only thing to me that's true about NASA is a rocket goes up in the air and then lands in the water. Everything else is Hollywood, I believe

it. And then you watch their videos of launches and they have a they have a camera pointing down at the ground, and then they have a camera that's pointing up but it's but it has like the rocket on either side, so you can see a portion of the sky, but you know, it's and then all of a sudden, like they're just in space, and then the camera switches and it's and it's, uh, it's like a it's a Hollywood production. It's a different it's a different camera, it's a different picture.

Everything looks different all of a sudden, and of course there's like a gap, right, there's like, uh, you see it from the Space Shuttle and then all of a sudden, it's just out in space and um and and I watched I watched a couple of them now, you know,

to to be convinced. I watched a few and it's like, yeah, that could totally be uh, you know, if if they if it was real, they should be able to prove that it's real with with better cameras, with better um you know, cameras all over that shuttle or or or whatever, you know, like they should be able to prove that the Earth is curved, and they haven't. They can't. Yeah, you're spot on it. And I do think, um, that the powers that be are

starting to figure out that people are waking up to the lies. Um. I think that's part of the reason why they're putting this artemission, this Artemis mission together. And I'm a little worried because if you think about it, look at all the people who bought into the Apollo eleven shenanigans back in nineteen sixty nine, with the limited Hollywood capabilities we had at that time. Here

we are in twenty twenty three, with deep fakes and everything else. I'm afraid that all this momentum that we've got going for us right now in the flat earth community, in the truth community as a whole, if people buy into this hook line and sink, or if they put on this five star production and people buy into it, I'm a little worried. Hopefully, like everything else, they'll just continue to kick it down the can, or you know, kick the can down the road and say, oh, we've got

this problem, that problem and everything else. But what are your thoughts on what's going to happen next year with this Artemis two mission. I think they'll probably keep delaying it. But if they, you know, I don't.

I don't think they can make it look real enough yet. I think they know that a lot of people are on them, like they're they're going to be tearing those videos apart, and I think they're trying to perfect it, and I don't I don't think they're going to be ready next year to perfect it because it's some of this video that they're showing us is pretty recent, and and there there's holes in this video that they're showing us now, you know. So I don't think. I think they're going to keep kicking the

can down the road, um, a few more years. But at some point they're gonna feel like they're ready, and and they're going to come out with with something, um to try to convince the masses that that they're gonna

land on the moon, you know. Um. But but yeah, I think they're gonna keep kicking it down the road personally, Yeah, And if they do something, I think it will already just like a movie, It all already minus the rocket being launched, already be recorded, they'll just show the rocket go up in the air disappear, and then the play and the

movie will we'll we'll cycle on everybody's TV. But again, I think kind of along the lines of you, I think they'll say, we have the laze, we have O ring issues and this and that and weather issues. You know. I think they'll continue, like you said, to kick the can down the road, because you know, with with the silly as they play now that they're making seventy million dollars a day, NASA is and that of course is putting big money in the pockets of the military industrial complex.

Yeah, when whenever I whenever I talk to people about this, like what why does it matter? You know, like, uh, doesn't that bother you that they're just pocketing? Um, would you say seventy one million dollars a day like that of our taxper dollars And that's not and that's not it though, you know, it's it's overall, it's more than that, right like they um they do UM, I don't know, Like they make they make money off of us making movies about space that we go to watch and

it's all fake, you know, like it's all it's all uh. Um, it's not real they you know they um. And then all the businesses that stem from from uh um, from space travel and from NASA and and and and rockets and all the technologies and and all that stuff you know. UM. I mean there's a lot of money that goes uh that goes into it that and it's um like wasted, you know, like we could be using that for other things. Um. And they all list a lot of

money. I think that's for uh. That would be the first thing if we could prove them wrong, would be NASA, Okay, work on your your your taxpayer repayment plan right now exactly exactly. Um. Of course that'll never happen, no, no, um. Yeah. And actually I looked in a little a little bit um astronomy and and I thought it was it was just funny because um, this this astronomers, he said, uh. He said, most astronomers don't actually use telescope the telescopes themselves anymore. Someone

who's trained in their specific use does that for them. And so um and and he went on to explain that he he was like the computer guy. He was the technical guy that worked on the data that they downloaded from the telescope. He didn't actually look through the telescope. He just messed with the data. But he's an astronomer, um, you know, like and then but they only have they have specially trained people that look through the telescopes.

That in itself, like if you're an astronomer, you you know, you you look up at the sky and you and you're and it's and it's amazing in all this. And then you become an astronomer and you don't necessarily look through a telescope to look at stars. You work, you're a computer programmer or and he even said on there, like as far as the field of astronomy covers um and he said it a couple of times, like we even higher artists like and he said that a couple of times, and it's just

like, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, you definitely do. Neat artists work for astronomy. The guy who drew the blue marble for Apple, the original two thousand and eight iPhone, he said, yeah, that's cgi. That's not a picture of the of the oh not not even close. Yeah, And they've admitted to that, right, So it's just a bunch of aerial you know, in civil engineering, we use. We use aerial um mapping, and so we a plane flies over and um and shoots

um x xes on the ground. And then and then they use they fly two flights and the they use the angles of the flights in different directions to piece the topography together on the ground. And they also take an aerial um aerial photograph at the same time, you know, so you know they use it. I'm sure they, NASA, whoever, you can use all that data that of all the plane flights flying over the world to piece piece the

world together, you know, like a little bit out of time. But I'm I'm pretty convinced now that we you know, it's not satellites that are doing it. It's it's planes that are that are flying up there and and uh and mapping out the world so that we can put these globes together, um indeed UM. But then another thing that blows my mind is that all the all the continents are you know, they show us maps and and all basically all the maps they show us, that's not really what those land masses

look like. The sizes, the shapes they're they're all warped, skewed um and and all that to you know, so what we're looking at is uh is pretty It's fake on globes, on maps, on most everything, right except I believe now the flat Earth map. I think that's the most accurate map we have. I couldn't agree more with you. And UM years ago when I was in the military and I wasn't really hit to the flat earth,

didn't give it to the time of day. At the same time, I would be sitting on a chartered flight, UM leaving from say bangor Maine to Germany, and I'd look on you know how these big planes have the maps and you can kind of watch how you're flying. I'd be why are we flying in this curved loop going up and around instead of flying straight across? And of course it doesn't make sense on a globe, but when you when you when you put it out over on a flat earth, that flight

path makes complete sense. Yeah, it does. Yeah. And that was another thing that all the all the flight fast paths, the emergency landings. You know, I think there's a book sixteen Emergency Landings that proof flats or something like that. I haven't read that, but I I've heard a few of the emergency landings and and UM, I mean that those those are pretty convincing, you know when when those emergency landings makes make no sense on the globe. So that was a big one from going back to um, let

me ask you, how old are you? Forty four? Okay? And um, so you're you're like me. It was because when did you finally decide, yeah, I think the Earth is flat? How long would you say it's been It's probably been about two or three months. Yeah, so you're like me, you're a little older, a little later on in life.

How did that affect you? Because for me, you know, I thought nine to eleven, when I really got down into the down and dirty and realized the truth about that, that kind of felt like a punch in the gut. But this was was ten times the effects on me. As I've said hundreds of times, I didn't sleep for almost two weeks. I was walking around in circles just scratching my head. How did that affect you?

Um, I'd say, like enlightening? It was like, um, because I I, uh, you know, I've been I've been reading the Bible and I want to believe the Bible, right and then uh and uh, but then there's there's these things like the firmament that it mentions and then and and so it kind of like like a big puzzle piece that just fit

into to everything, um for me. And and yeah, it just it just kind of like, um yeah, it was like it was like this big missing puzzle piece just got that that fit into into into the world like that. It just makes it makes a lot of sense. And I think I think the World War One in World War two had a lot to do

with uh, with the earth and land land on Earth. Um. Now, like I'm not exactly sure how or or the circumstances, but you know, that's about the time when when they were um, you know some of these general bird I think it was was was running around to the North Pole and the South Pole um and all that. Although although the North Pole, I've seen some maps that show land mass at the North Pole, nice green

land mass. And if you think about it, you know, at the North Pole, if the if the flat Earth models is right, then the sun is circling around that North Pole. It might be and you know there there's twenty four hours of sun up in Alaska. You know, up at the North Pole there it might be sun like all year round or something. You know, maybe who knows, but no one's been there, so no one, no one will know, and no one's been found Arctica, so

we don't know what's out there, you know. It's it's funny you mentioned that, you said maybe World War one and World or two may have had to do with land. Remember Nazi Germany declared new Swabia um their land back in nineteen thirty eight. So oh and remember during that time heard about the same time frame when was Hitler named Time Magazines Man of the Year. I think it was the same year, wasn't it Time Man. Let me do a quick second of research, fat check myself. It was nineteen thirty eight,

he was. He was a Time Magazines Man of nineteen thirty eight, the same year they found new Swabia UM. So maybe you know the secret and that is that uh a country now? Or is no new Swabia? Is they went to Antarctica at first that they the Nazis went to Antarctica back in the thirties and they said they stopped their flagging the ground. They said, hey, this is we call this new Swabia. Oh so Antarctica they called new Swabia. Oh yeah. The Germans were down there in the thirties

exploring. And if you think think about this, remember after World War One, after Germany lost, Weimar Republic kicked in and Germany there's people don't understand how broke Germany was. And it's an amazing story. All the other stories you hear, I'm we're just talking about the country and its finances itself. We're not getting to any other things, but how that country h revitalized itself

because in the twenties they were the poorest of poor countries. And then when when Hitler came back in and uh, you know, right about the time this New Swabia thing and all this technology. There's pictures that these guys had in the thirties, they had like skype. Back in the thirties, they they had these telephones with TVs and they were talking to people like things we

wouldn't see here for for decades. So I subscribe to the fact, Donnie, like you, I think it was not only about I think I just there's some puzzle pieces missing, but Antarctica technology, Um, there there is something going on down there. Maybe there is land Like Admiral Birld said, you know, Admiral Bird said, yeah, I think there might be.

And yeah maybe they maybe they just they they were using the resources they found on that land to enrich enriched themselves, right Hitler and the Nazis, And maybe that's how they they came to came to power, right if they if they discovered some resources out there, Um and and they and I don't I don't think that he uh you know he committed suicide either I think he got away or um are you talking about it for an Argentina? Yeah? Yeah,

oh yeah he went to Argentina for sure. I've seen interviews with people who supposedly it was like his housekeeper, and I've seen enough pictures of German artifacts that were found down there to to certainly buy into that. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's a it's all, Um, it's all. I'm not it's all super interesting. I mean I don't I don't have everything uh I figured out, but um, but yeah, I think flat Earth was was huge for me. It's it was hum like a renewed outlook on

life kind of you know. Um. And I think that that it's more

it's more complicated than what they're telling us. You know, they're they're I mean this universe that they that they teach us that's out there is that's pretty complicated I think here on Earth. I think there's technologies that they're hiding from us in some of the tartaria um stuff that I've looked into, Um, you know, just harnessing energy from the ether and uh and distributing it through all these spires and these buildings that are that have these giant openings that that

are completely useless for six foot men um, but a lot more more sense for you know, fifteen foot giant um and a lot of these old buildings. And then you have and then you have these these crazy fires in eighteen hundreds in San Francisco, in Chicago and all over California. Actually, like I think there was a lot in California. There was a lot in the

Midwest, you know, even I think New York had some fires. Um, you know, they were destroying buildings and and I don't think there were fires either, um you know, maybe they were bombed or or or something. But what about the the Great Chicago Fire? Yeah, yeah, the Great Chicago Fire too. Um yeah, I mean I think they destroyed a lot of a lot of these these old buildings that were that were made out of stone, but had but uh, you know, possibly distributed free energy.

Um. And they did they you know, um us came came in and and uh and saw an opportunity to make a bunch of money, and and uh they put an end to that. Yeah, you can't charge for free energy. Right. And part of the whole thing is to keep us in debt. They want us to pay for everything. Uh, to keep us working, to keep us busy, so we can't sit around and have these type of conversations. Um, have you looked mute? Go ahead? And I'm sorry, buddy, go ahead. Oh no, you can ask

that. But but distract us with TV, right, yeah, give us a bunch of stuff to watch on TV. Exactly. Have you gone down the World's Fair road yet? Which one? World's Fair? A little bit? Yeah, I actually bought a book on the World's Fair, but I

haven't read it. Um um, but yeah, like that one. They've a little bit, I've you know, they they supposedly built these buildings in like six months to a year, These like just tremendous buildings and these these huge um you know, a huge lake, these huge statues that were that were just tremendous structures, right, and then they go and knock them down six months later. It makes no sense. No, it's ridiculous, the

whole thing. So this, you know, it's funny when you see things, all these fires and um, there's something called the Organic Act of Washington, DC, which kind of all these things happened reconstruction. When was all this stuff was right around eighteen seventy. That number is a number that continues

to pop up for me. Yeah, eighteen seventy one. I uh, yeah, I like to look it into history too, like the Vatican had a council in the eighteen seventy esh range um, and something else big happened in the eighteen seventy eighteen seventy one with U maybe it was Rockefeller and the

and the schools um or or something like that. There there was a there there were some big changes in the in the late eighteen hundreds, um, and just big decisions that were made and and uh like world changing uh decisions and changes that were made and um, and yeah, I mean I think it can. I think it's been a constant struggle, like all the wars, like what the United States did to to to the natives here and and

I think there were more than just Native Americans. There were there were different different civilizations that were that were here, um that were I mean Native Americans are I mean yeah, they were all Native Americans, but there were different types of civilizations that were building these these huge, tremendous structures. And then there there were other obviously other civilizations. But you know this, the Britons

came in here and just wiped all just stole the land and um. And you know that's something that I've been uh um struggling with two like uh being proud of this flag, you know what I mean? Um, In in all this research, I think it it was it's horrible what what we did, like just robbing people of their culture all over the world. Actually, like we've done that in China, and we've done that in um, in

Africa, South America, all over the world. UM. And it's not just America, it's it's it's the West in general, right that the controllers, the New World Order whatever, um you want to call it. But but yeah, I think it's it's horrible what what the the West is doing has done yeah, throughout our history and who knows what our actual history is. When I started looking into all this stuff like, you know, what they tell us is one thing, and what actually happened, I'm pretty sure

is something else. Absolutely, I was just interviewing like a guy last night, Tristan, and I said, it's interesting that they founded the Illuminati May first, seventeen seventy six, and just two months later, you know, we were officially born. And George Washington, if you go down and look at his memorial, it looks that he was more proud of being a Freemason than he was of being president of the United States. Of course that's if

you believe the story. But there you go. Yeah. I also heard that he wasn't technically the first president of the United States either, I mean seventeen seventy six, and then he became president in seventeen eighty nine, I think, And so there there's a little gap there where. Um. You know, I've I've heard some uh, some theories that um, you know, there there were a couple other presidents before him, but they wanted to

erase those people from history, you know. Really. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know how if that's true, but I've heard that. Um. Um, but yeah, it's uh, it's it's interesting. I mean I I don't. Yeah, I mean and some of these characters too, right, like like Newton, uh, you know, Copernicus. They teach this stuff. But but in the end, like some of these people like uh that that came up with the globe theory, they could really be

made up. Characters that were that they tell us were just geniuses and they were so smart and uh and um, you know they said the Earth is a globe, so we gotta believe them. Sure was a fraud as well. I've heard that, yeah, like it and and I've heard that he never Um he was a horrible speaker, like he he sounded like an idiot

when he actually talked to people, you know what I mean. But thank you God, more credit for for all these theories and stuff and um, you know, like pseudoscience in the end, like time gravity has to do with like time space and all this stuff. I think they're just trying to confuse just average people to make it seem like this world is more complicated than it actually is. And it's and it's so complicated that I can't even understand

it. They're doing that on purpose, exactly. It's it's it's above your head. You wouldn't understand that that's kind of the way they speak. And there's a lot of interesting books out there as well. There's even some theories out there that um, um, Albert Einstein's first wife was actually the one that did all the collaborations of work the papers. A lot of people say that, uh he stole from Nicola Tesla. Just there's so many theory he's out there. Yeah, yeah, I'd like to, yeah, look into

that a little bit more too. But yeah, I mean, but but they tell us that Einstein's the smartest guy that ever was, right, Yeah, I don't think so. It's a shame that Tesla. You know, here's this guy, he died penniless, and um he really um, I really do wonder if he you know, he knew there was free energy. And there's been people in the world recently who have proven that you can run engines on on on water, right, Um yeah exactly. Yeah, Stanley

Meyer back uh thirty years ago or so. And then just recently that the security guard who was killed at the uh the Buffalo Top shooting. Um, he was a retired police officer and just the year prior had been um on the local news this little spot saying hey, look, one of a Buffalo native created a car that would run on like on water and he just so happen to be the guy killed at the Buffalo shooting. What a what a

coincidence? Right? And and uh, you know, I think it's I think it's clear that they'll kill a lot of people to to to get one. You know, the Titanic, that's another one. I mean the Titanic. You look at JFK. That there was a uh I think two hundred people were killed after JFK's murder to clean that up. Oh oh, definitely like that. Yeah, they had to clean up a lot of a lot of messes and with JFK, yep and even and the impact of that was

was just huge. You know, like actually I think I might have heard it on your podcast where where you know, the moon landing, the fake moon landing probably wouldn't have happened if JFK was uh wasn't killed. The CIA might have been uh disbanded if you know, if he got what he wanted. Um, Vietnam wouldn't have happened if if if they didn't take him out, and you know they there was it was a major like it was like a biblical event like that, the JFK assassination. In my mind, it

was the turning point of this country. And as you were saying those events, I started to wonder myself. I wonder, I wonder what the world would be like if if one person would have stepped up and prevented that from happening. And I was trying to picture a world where there was no CIA, no Vietnam War, and it's it kind of makes me sad to think that that one event, which was very much a ritual sacrifice as well the

numerology involved where it happened. I mean, it's it's pretty deep us, specifically with the eleven twenty two numerology and go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, eleven twenty two sixty three. Yeah, And I I believe it too, like you. Yeah, they they they do things on certain dates for for specific reasons. And I don't that's something that I haven't looked too much in numerology and dematria and all that. I haven't looked into that too much. But I believe it. Yeah, And and there's a reason all

these events happen in April as well. This week. This coming week is known as the Feast of Malik and sacrifice. And you look at all the events that happened going back to the Titanic U. Yep, you had Waco, you had Oklahoma City. All these events always happen, Uh, you know around the fifteenth and nineteenth of May or April, excuse me, not May. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wonder why it's it's April. I guess April's like a Satanic monthly Satanic period for some reason. Yeah, the

date has something to do with Moloch. It's uh, the Feast of Moloch is what it's known for. And um, you know Bush was a pretty evil guy, and uh he was the y he said a New World Order on you know, he announced the New World Order on September eleventh, nineteen ninety, and then eleven years later to the day September eleventh happened. Oh wow, Yeah, I uh, you know, I was I was brought up conservative. I like to you know, I generally liked to like the

Bushes. But then, you know, later on in my life I realized that, you know, I think the Bush senior, HW's dad funded the Nazis was a basically drug cartel, and which means that you know, his son was probably uh you know, pushing drugs and his son w Bush was

probably pushing drugs. And um, you know, I think, uh yeah, I mean I think yeah, yeah, I mean I I like Bush back then, w um and then now I realized that he was an evil man too, although he might have been more of a puppet a little bit, but um, but yeah, like the whole Bush family I think is just it is an evil family, very very evil family. And HW people used to in Texas they call him Poppy like it's sweet, like it's old poppy. But the reason his name is poppy is it goes the poppy seeds.

He was a big, big drug guy going back to American Maid. And that's why he had no problem losing to Clinton because what you know, Clinton allowed him to use Mina to run those drugs back in the eighties and mena Arkansas. Yes, oh then that wasn't American Med. Yeah, because he was in Arkansas. Yeah, That's that's why they chose Clinton to be the next guy, because Clinton, you know, he played he played ball. He allowed them to run drugs through his state, so he was next

in line. Yep. And I and I, uh, you know, it made me look at at New Mexico differently too, because we're right at the border. And and uh, I think you got to be pretty corrupt to be governor in New Mexico. Oh yeah, I bet and so and I uh, you know that's uh. And and just probably I mean a governor anywhere. I mean, you got you gotta you gotta play ball with these with the with the controllers, with the with the big boys UM to

be in in any powerful position, you know. Yeah, I wanted to regress for just a second because something I meant to ask you earlier that just popped back in my mind, going back to the great fires and everything else with Tartaria. Do you think UM went about to you suspecting your um readings into your research that this mud flood happened? And was it worldwide event or

was it certain areas. I think it was a weapon, Like they came in with a weapon and and and uh, you know, maybe sound residents and vibrations and just just with sound just rocked the hills and made and made mud flood the valleys. I think, you know, I think it was a war tactic personally, and I I don't know when they happened, but

but yeah, and if you look at it. I've looked at the map, right if you look at, um, you know, the the western United States, Arizona and New Mexico where the last um the last states into the United States or a bit continental or is that the right word. Yeah, the mainland, um, the last the last two states, and we're we're the desert states, right, um. And I think that may have happened where they turned they turned, um some good land into into desert.

And you look at like at northern Africa and up through the Middle East up into like cy Mongolia, um, Siberia, like it's it's just like wiped, wiped like a desert like ah, those who areas are just wiped clean of of any vegetation and any life kind of thing, you know, if you look at the map and um yeah, I mean I think I think there was some um advanced uh sound frequency weapons that were used to cause those

It's it's not far fetched. I mean they they've been admitting to controlling the weather for quite some time, going back to Vietnam with Operation Popeye, and it's it's just always convenient, like countries like Iran is constantly having uh earthquakes, UM so you know, obviously they probably do have some technology. And

it's interesting that you use sound maybe certain vibrations that trigger things. Uh yeah, I mean I've I've looked, like I've heard about this this guy like it was it was like, uh maybe mid nineteen hundreds, maybe a little earlier, who supposedly like using he built like stone structures like the not on the scale of the Pyramids or or or like uh you know, he's just a single man, but he he was able to build structures out of heavy

stone by himself. And the story is that people heard him just like humming or or or singing or in his backyard and then he'd he'd build these structures in his backyard. Um, like you know, pretty amazing structures out of heavy stone and um. And you know, I think that this world is just more confident. I mean, all these they extract the metals from our rock, right they they they destroy it and concentrate like the these metals to

conduct electricity. But those rocks naturally have those that conducting material in them. But that you know, these scientists have just learned to extract that conducting t out and build wires out of it. But I think you know there's a way to use the God's natural rocks without them, right, Yes, I think there's a way to utilize that that their properties without umn melting them, concentrating them and turning them into wires and all that and spend a couple hundred

bucks. Yes, exactly, and and just that with the construction of the pyramids, like you know, just being in civil engineering, like you know, that was a big big thing to look into is and talk about, was like how were these these pyramids constructed? And there's all kinds of ideas using water float you know, float them up to the top, you know, using ramps and all this stuff. But I think that possibly they were using sound um to to levitate the blocks somehow and and get and place them

just perfectly where they need to be. Um. I think that's a that's a possibility, um but um. But yeah, like that, that's that's one of those those interesting things too, is the pyramids, Like I think that those were for those were utilized for energy, then they were definitely not uh tombs for for anybody, certainly, I agree. I think tomorrow I'll go outside with my synthesizer and see if I can get some rocks to levitate. That is so interesting. It's yeah, these are the things I think

of as well. It's so interesting to to to listen to this. Um, have you had any success in uh sharing you know, you've been new to the flat Earth for a few months. Have you had any success sharing your knowledge and getting people to to hear you out a little bit? Actually? Yeah, Like I got I got some some people at work, um listening to me like uh. At first, like I was just asking questions. I was just I was just bringing some stuff up here and they're like,

dude, you're crazy, like what are you talking about? And then um, but then after a while, uh, like the more I just got him to think, and then holy holy shit, and then they started thinking about it. And then uh and yeah, like I wouldn't say that they're um, flat earthers, but they're they're they're thinking about it, and

they know something's up, you know. And not not only that, but one one one guy at work in particular, UM, you know, he was he didn't believe in God before, but then he started looking into this.

And I don't know if I can if he considers himself a you know, like a flat earther, But um, but he's looked into all this and he comes over to me every once in a while and and he's like, um, you know, with with the firmament and and with all that, He's like, it pretty much means there's the creator, it doesn't it. And I'm like, I think so, I think I think it does.

That. That's interesting because that's great too, because I would say of the people who's been on this program as said the exact same thing, Um that you know, maybe they had a relationship with God, but it was wasn't super close or they didn't have one at all. And flat Earth it seems like the one story that always comes back is it it does bring a closer relationship to God. It's like this was not accidental. There's no Big Bang theory, no evolution. Uh, this was created smartly by someone who

chose us to be here. Yes, I'm absolutely convinced to that. And the Big Bang is just is silly when you look at it. You know, you just again you just trust this. Trust the science, right, trust the science, Trust the science. And they say that you know, there there was nothing and then this Big Bang happened and and life and consciousness came from nothing. Um, that that is way more crazier than we were

created. Like it, it's the chances of that happening are beyond astronomical to for for proteins to form from nothing and without any with that, without any designer, without any creator. It's um, it's it's the big bang is silly compared to creation. And but the general public thinks the opposite, right absolutely, That's why they get their folks like Neil de Grasse Tyson and uh

Bill and I the fraud guy you know out there. And to think to think that I was in classroom during the nineties pushing all this propaganda on people is abhorrent to me. Yeah. Yeah, I used to like him. I used to watch Bill and I used to get a kick out of him and um. And but yeah, you know, I was, I was. I've always been good at math and science, so like I was, you know, and and just it came easy to me and um, and

so you know, it was it was always interesting. And then I find out now, which is uh, actually, I mean it's not it's not even that disappointing. It like I said, it's more enlightening. But um, but yeah, like all this science, it's it's not real that that I was taught in school. No, it's not at all. And speaking of that, Um, did you ever buy into what was going on which started in March twenty twenty and shutting down in the country and uh, you

know, the the push on vaccinations. Do you how did that affect you in your area? And um, what were your thoughts on that whole thing? Uh? Yeah, we had um at first. Actually I was. I was U. We were pretty freaked out. Like I went out and bought U like some survival gear and like bought a gun and and an Ammo, and like I was like, uh, what what's going on here? You know, like at first and Mark they basically March April twenty twenty, but then after a while, you know, like they you know, they

started shutting things down. And at first I was like whatever, you know, I worked from home, stayed away from people, wore my mask. And then the more people thought about it, the more people talked about it, They're like, Okay, these masks don't work. And so then I

was like, yeah, what what are we wearing these masks for? What this this this isn't doing anything for us, Like all this is doing is cutting oxygen off from from US and UM and in New Mexico we were I think we were one of the last states to get rid of the mandate for for masks UM. But you know, I like whenever I was out, I complied whatever. But but but now it took me like a couple months

to snap out of it and then and then just uh um realize. Actually my opinion is that it was released on purpose to impact the twenty twenty election. They needed Trump out and you know the BLM riots were all to get Trump out. You know, everything that happened in twenty twenty was to push out the current president of the United States. The Summer of Love and yeah, it's interesting. Election is uh next next fall? And h that's what's

his name. Fauci was just on record last week as saying there'll be another one next year, and it'd be very interesting to see if if if they did it again. I wonder how many people would would go back to believe in it. Not as many here now. I won't I won't be fooled again, and I think there's a lot of people. I think the majority

will not be fooled again with that. But one thing that I have thought about is you know, it looks like we're getting closer and closer to war, and you know, wartime president presidents like like you know, Bush people start liking them. Um, and I think that's something that could happen. And as if you know, before the twenty twenty four election, Um, start a war and look good doing it and and uh gain the support of

the masses. You know, well, I mean if it becomes a world war, it becomes more impactful from that because you gain wartime powers that you don't have during peacetime. And um, you know he could they could just control everything with that. You look at the powers he had during the quote unquote emergency powers of covid Um. The big one being that not a lot of people knew of no bid contracts for the last three years, they could

award it to anybody. So if you're wondering why all these politicians got rich over the last three years, it's because all the contracts in the federal government have been awarded to the politicians. Friends. Yeah, no bid contracts, no bid kind that just ended a few weeks ago. Yeah. It makes me sick, like like there there there's uh, I don't I don't know if if any of them are not corrupt, you know, UM yeah,

not making money UM illegally. This is UM more of a reach. But do you think, you know, with a whole agenda twenty thirty and everything, is it possible they're ramping up for another I mean, would you consider eighteen seventy the reset the mud floods and the great fires? Would you call that a great reset? And would you see them trying to do that again here in the next few years? I can, I can, Like I

I think, UM, they're clearly trying to reduce the population. Bill Bill Gates and and others come out and straight up say it, you know, like they're they'll they'll release another UM another something something UH to to to uh reach their goal of reducing the population. They'll they'll start a war. They'll um fake and attack. UH. They've done it before, UM in the

United States. Like I, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they faked an attack within the United States to UM and and something of that order, right, and then just say that, oh, yeah, you know Russia or China, they they they bombed us, we need to go to war and UM that that wouldn't surprise me one bit. But I think the agenda twenty thirty, like that's a big I think it's a big deal to me, Like they're they're trying to take over the world by twenty thirty. In

my mind, you know, I agreed. That's that's the way I look at it. Um. Is there anything that we UM haven't touched on that

you wanted to talk about? UM? Not and not really, I guess what one other thing, just like, uh, the way that I look at the world now, it's like it's clear that there's, uh, there's a battle of good versus evil, just like oh yeah, that's written in the Bible, you know, like there's a battle of there's a spiritual warfare going on and and uh, you know, I definitely want to be on the good side and UM, and I'd like to do, you know anything I can, you know, to to try to um help that cause,

help the the the right cause, you know, and and get the people that are running things out because I think that needs to happen for UM, for the world. I think I think it's uh, there's nothing else more important. UM. Something else I meant to ask you with how is your education system out there with your children? Are they in public education? Um, those type of questions, because that's for me, that's a big deal, um, because they've they've done such a travesty. And again this is

not um a swipe at school teachers. I know a lot of people get into the teacher I have friends who were school teachers, and they go into it with a giant heart to make and some of them do make differences in children's lives, but they're handcuffed to the curriculum that they're allowed to teach. Is that something that you think about or discussed often? Um? I my kids are actually a little bit older. Um, they're they're in um, in college or two of them are in college age. One of them is

software in high school okay, Um. And so you know I actually didn't start uh thinking that, thinking that they're the indoctrination was so um um was just such a such a big thing. You know, I didn't. I didn't think that until more recently. And so UM, you know my my kids, Um, they yeah, they went they all went to public school, and UM, you know they uh, they just they just went through

their schooling. They didn't like it, you know, they just did their homework because they did they had to, they got decent grades, they graduated, um and um. You know, with with my older kids, I didn't. I didn't put much thought into it. Um um. But now with my with my younger one, um yeah, I mean she she's the same way like she she she doesn't really uh you know, care too much

about school. Like during during the whole uh lockdown, I mean they expected kids to learn off of their computer, and all she did was watch do look at her tiktoks, you know, like she wasn't paying attention, she wasn't learning anything. And um and so yeah, that that bothered me. And and uh you know, like if I could do it over again,

I definitely homeschool my kids for sure. Yeah. That that whole that's still really just uh, that poor class of twenty twenty to this day just uh uh it bothers me so much that the way they wrecked those kids, their proms, their their graduations, and that that whole thing is just something I guess that's another conversation for another day. But that's some then again that you know, one of the reasons why we continue to encounter these things is because

no one has ever held accountable. We continue to allow these things to happen, we do. Yeah, and yeah, just people people go along with it, you know. Just um, it's easy to control the masses, Like I tell people that, Um, they've been they've been controlling the masses for thousands of years literally thousands of years for sure, and mastering the art of controlling the masses through propaganda, through this, through through indoctrination, through

um, through through all this stuff, you know. And and it's that that's uh, that's a big task David versus Goliathe type type task, you know what I mean to to to stop that and to fight against it. It is and and that's I guess that's the question I should ask you now, is we're we're kind of winding down, is how do we change the course of history? And obviously, if it's biblical, there's not much we

can do. But at the same time, as oh, we say, the Bible clearly states that we don't know when the when the end times are right, when the end nobody knows. Um, So how do you think what things can we do to change the course of this, you know, evil if it's not per se biblical end times? And um, I guess yeah, that's my question. Yeah, I guess just just spreading the word, you know, like that's the way I'm looking at it right now. I mean, I'm talking to my kids about flat earth. They think I'm

crazy. Um and then I but but I but they they're listening. They think it's interesting. Um and uh and and all this stuff that we talked about today, like I'll tell my kids about it and I'm gonna convince them and then um and uh and then you know, co workers, Um, just just spreading the word like people piece should people should be upset about what's happening in the world and and um. And that's where I and I've I've brought it up to my my family, my a couple of siblings, my

parents, UM, you know, some of this stuff. But most people are just like, yeah, whatever, Like I'm good, I'm raising my kids, I get to watch TV, and um, I'm good. Yeah, yeah, that is interesting. That is par for the course. A lot of people are like, I'm cool with my Netflix and chill and as long as it doesn't directly affect my life, then I'm cool with it. But you know, you at the same time, you know, stop and

look at your paychecks. See how much of that money goes to taxes and then sit down and see where that money goes, um NASA and how much of that is going into people's pockets. It's just, you know, we people have to stop accepting serfdom. They they really do, we we really do. I heard um Jesse ventura um have a good idea of uh you

know, on the ballots like this is. I don't know how if this could possibly happen, but to put um none of the above, Like when you on on ballots, you got you got your you got this guy, you got this guy, and you got none of the above. And so if enough people voted none of the above, that would send a message, right, Oh, you would think. But as long as I as long as they still had their people in power, I'm not sure they would care

so much. Well, I mean if you get if you have I mean, if if you have to do the election over again, if it's none of the above, Oh, I see what I'm saying, because something has to have certain Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's right, Like you have to get the majority of the votes, and if none of the above gets the majority of the votes, then no one gets the position. You know, good old Jesse. I I, uh, yeah, I watched a video on him talking, uh the other day, and um,

but yeah, he's he's interesting, um and um. Actually he put a book of his on my Amazon order in my cart to check that out see what he has to say, because I haven't looked too much, you know, into what he has to say. Yeah, I saw a video of him speaking. It's been at least a year, but it was during his book tour, and he's he's awake, he knows what's going on. I don't remember if it was Wakeo, Oklahoma City nine to eleven, maybe it was nine to eleven. But he's hip to what's going on. He knows,

he knows the deal. And I think he actually left the country. I think he lives in Mexico pretty much now. Oh yeah, I mean I've even thought about that myself too, like it might be safer elsewhere, like in the not too distant future. Yeah, yeah, you're right, especially if they're if they're done with the petro dollar. But we could be coming on some difficult times. Yeah, most definitely, but we'll see what

happens. It was really really great to meet you, and I would like to give you the floor for any final words thoughts, and before I do, I should say, uh, if Donnie's conversation resonates with you, folks, I'm going to go ahead and put his email address in the show description and it is Donnie excuse me DM doing him in at gmail dot com. And don't worry about trying to write it down or anything. It'll be in

the show description so you can reach out to Donnie. So again I'll give you the the final words are all right, yeah, I mean I don't have too much else to say other than you know, like, uh, just the truth will set you free, and uh, you know, Jesus is the truth the way in the life. Yeah, it is follow your moral compass, not your wallet, and you'll do just faun Donnie. It's been a real honor. If you could just stand by for just a second

for Donnie and myself. Thank you guys so much for joining us. And if you'd like to come on and you know, share your experiences and your knowledge and your thoughts about the flat Earth and so many other things like Donnie did tonight, reach out to us at the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. We'll get in touch. We'll get you on the schedule and you can share the world, the world around the world with everyone else. For Donnie, I'm George. God bless you guys. Keep your head on a

swivel until next time. We will see