Episode 220: Flat Earth Conversation with Neal

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also my conspiracy theories. And he said, well, if you'd have known what you knew when you was young, which you had still went in the Air Force. And I said, yeah, yeah, of course, I said. I don't look at my job is evil, you know, like I don't when I go into a even though I know all the bankers are evil. I don't look at the tailor like she's evil, you know. I mean, I know the TV is evil, but I don't look at you know, these actors, you know, even

though some of them are evil. But but you know, yeah, I just kind of I looked at my My father was a maintenance man, but he had more integrity and more work ethic and encouraged than most you know, people I haven't met. So I never really look at, you know, my job, you know, like it's you know, I just looked at it as is a job. And I'm an honest worker and so. And I've been married for twenty nine years. At one child that drives me. I'm glad I don't have too much hair because she would have

me pulling all my hair out. But she's my one child, so of course you know, she's a daddy's girl. I've been I'm from DC, and it's and the time you know that spent away from this area in the Air Force. Aside from that, I've lived in Maryland or DC, lived in this area for sixty one years. I'm sixty one years old, and and that's about it. I've been a I don't know. I guess I've been a Christian. I've been saved since a little bit before I got married,

so maybe thirty years. But I've been a church goer for a lot longer than that. As matter of fact, one quick story about my church. When I went to my father didn't go to church, but and my mother died. My natural mother died when I was seven. So my father and my stepmother raised me and he would send me the church on this big yellow bus Sunday school, and I had I had I had a tutor while I was in the hospital. I was in the hospital for two weeks for some type of stomach illness that

they never figured out what it was. But anyway, the the tutor name was you know, her name was Patty. And when my dad said to me, she figured out that I couldn't read. I couldn't. I didn't. I couldn't read at all. And so she figured it out. But she could not get me to read in two weeks. But when my father sent me to Sunday school, guess who the Sunday school teacher was Patty. And so I didn't learn how to read until I was in the seventh grade. But I didn't learn how to read in school.

I learned how to read in Sunday School. And I can remember everybody in my Sunday School class. You know, they was the nicest kids. They didn't you know, they didn't you know, they didn't you know, goof on me or joke on me and nothing. They just and it had to be miserable for them. Get me up there trying to learn how to read through the Bible, you know what I mean. So that's that's my That's who I am, you know, Uh, you know I've been through life, you know, uh, right now, me and my wife doing

attend church right now. We we have just uh, I can't find we We went to church for thirty years and I mean I mean not longer than that really, but yeah, but since the COVID, and it wasn't because of the COVID we had we had just got disillusioned by about three or four different churches that yeah, you know, the pastors or the beliefs just wasn't in line with

the Bible, you know. And uh like it's a big thing now, this prosperity gospel, you know, that type, you know, and it's but but we read a Bob every day ray and we just hope that at some point we do visit a good church. And that's about it for me.

on last night. I'm kind of shocked that they're still having that army celebration of mar and DC because that would be like the perfect opportunity for a false flag to get us involved in this mess.

a reserves, you know, you know in this area. I was. I was at Andrews for twenty six years, and uh so I never volunteered for none of the orations because I'm sorry I bushed that word up, but because I knew it was hold and the Air Force uniforms are terrible, you know what I mean, you know, they're you're freezing to death every time they would come back from one of the noise no creations and they would be freezing. And I'm just looking at him, like, y'all volunteer for this,

what was you thinking about? You know? But I've never seen this type of foolishness. So it's whatever. We just got to pray that that that, you know, we get through this next four years, I guess, but hopefully, you know. And then I guess my My start of the flat Earth started with Rod Rob Skeeper. Yeah. Now, of course my question always was, well, why does it matter?

First was Chuck Missler, just twenty something years ago when I read this book Learned the Bible in twenty four hours by Chuck Missler, and and he turned me onto these these giants in the Genesis six and also I heard Chuck Missler's name on your podcast before. It was kind of in a negative way. But I will say I don't agree with everything that Chuck Missler used to teach. But you know, he did teach about that these UFOs

are you know, uh, fallen angels, you know. And he also taught that that I believe in that that that the science that they use for for uh, you know, you know, evolution, the monkeys and the cavemen and all, that's a lie. They've They've created these these skulls out of nowhere. There's no such thing. This is bad science. It's just it's not bad science, it's it's just lies.

And and so you know, and like I said, Chuck Middler does have some other beliefs that I don't agree with, you know, mainly the about the you know, he I think he does talk about space, and and he does believe in the pre the pre trip pre trip yeah yeah, and you know, so I don't expect but he's way smarter than I'll ever be. But on the same token, you know, you can't agree with everybody on everything. And then I guess my my first start into conspiracy theories

was a guy Rof Epperson. He wrote a couple of books. About three books I read. One was The Newer Order, But the first one I read that really got me going was the the The Masonic Conspiracy against Christianity. I don't know if you're familiar with that book, but and he and he did The Hidden Hand, and he talked about all these different wars that were lies. We didn't you know, get FDR knew about Pearl Harbor to the weeks before it happened, they even got ready for it.

The same thing with the World War One. It's another guy, Smanley Butler. I don't know if you're familiar with him. Racket, Yeah, right, war was racket. And and uh so, you know I kind of got into the conspiracies early, you know, in my you know, in my twenties, and and one thing that's led to another, and then when we're obscuba died passed away, I really was like, hey, man, you know this this, you know, this flat earth thing. You know,

maybe it's more to it than you know. And when you look at it, that the people that's lying to us, you know, the same people that talk about you know, my wife actually mentioned Caveman another day, and I said, don't you don't believe that we evolve from monkeys? Do you? I said no, No, I said, well the cavemen are the same. Lie. Yeah, you know it's no Neanthal or no you know this stuff man, of course not.

people are. And you know, that's why it's so important hermeneutics understanding of the Bible to take it as it is written, unless it is specifically being used as a as a parable or whatever.

and I think eighty seven times. God created the heavens and the earth. He never created no universe. But you have Christians and pastors, and God created the universe and the solar systems. When when they do all that, you know, why are we adding stuff? You know, I don't think they know they're adding stuff to the Bible, but when they make these you know, just assumptions that well, you know, there there's other things. It's other planets and all this

other stuff. And I can see the rings are Saturn. I don't know what you're looking at, you know what I mean, I really do. I don't have a telescope. I can't deny what you what you think you seeing. But I mean, you know, if if it was all these different planets, and I don't know why these planets are named after gods, you know these uh these Greek or Roman or you know, these mythical god But you know,

I don't believe any of this stuff. You know, why would these planets if they were planets why would they have any reason to revolve around the sun like we do if if that was you know, possible, they don't have any life on them. So the Sun gives us life. Why would any of these other planets, these with these other eight planets need the sun? They that they even the lie that they tell about these planets say that they cold and baron and you know whatever. So it's

it's weird. So my thing was, if you believe in, you know, the flat earth theory, then at least you have debunked. You just said that I don't believe in all these lies that come with around earth, you know, and and that that you are important. That God created this earth for his children. He created you know, he's gonna be the hell and the Lake of Fire created for He's fallen angels. So He's created the earth for us.

And then you know, and you know, uh, and us believers, we're you know, we'll be in there on the new Earth that would be heaven with him. And I guess my thing is that's we're important enough for Him to create us and his image, and so we're very important. Our lives are important, you know. And I guess that's the first subject I really wanted to talk about. These lies were the lie that we're different races, that we're

somehow another created differently, you know. And and the reason I think these lies are are very important to understand that their lives is that people who thought they were saved were lynching people, were murdering people. They taking pictures with the lynch burnt you know body, the shot up by the taking pictures with the burnt body, like this is a good thing that they did. I mean, you know, of course we had a clue Cluss clan back then. But these guys don't even have their hoods on. They're

taking pictures, you can see them. Because they think they're doing something good. And so these guys are going to church, they're church leaders, they're deacons and pastors and their sheriffs and mayors, and and they think they're doing the right thing. Even the women and the children bring the women and children to the to the lyncheons, and they're thinking. And this was and most of the lynchions were done in

the Bible belt. Oh yeah, so and for a hundred for a hundred years, I think I think it was like over one hundred bills that were presented for anti Lyncheon, even though we had enough you know, anti murder on the books, but for anti Lyncheon, they shot every bill down, you know. And and these people think that they're God fearing people and and they you know, there's no way

that you know, murderers are going to heaven. So you know, I just think that if we were, I think that Satan wants us to be divided, and the mortive that we are as humans or workers, as godly people, then the more, you know, God doesn't want us to be hating each other. We want us to love each other. And the more that we concentrate on skin color and all that other foolishness, then the more we are divided. And even like this two party system thing, you know, we're.

He says, I urged then all of you that petition's prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people, people, everybody, for kings and all those authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. And we haven't seen that in my lifetime. Right, it's been one war after another, and these people just champion this

type of stuff. And again, it's very clear that we are made in God's image, and you have to remember that Satan is he went forth and deceived the world. He does that through believe, making you believe that we're on a spinning ball, that people who vote differently from you are evil, that people who don't dress like you were evil. That there's so many layers to this, and the politics thing has taken such a control in this country, just going back five years ago, the divisiveness and the

tension that this thing brought. Satan knows how to manipulate people. And we can't fix these problems through secular issues.

passing out flyers and talking to complete strangers. But I've been instructed to do that, and it's just what I feel compelled to do. And like you were mentioning earlier, there are a lot of people who don't understand what contrition truly means. When you tell God you're sorry, that doesn't mean to continue going about living your sinful ways.

cultures have been lied to you know. You know, you look at the Catholic Church and you say, hold up, these priests have raped these little children and none of them went to jail, you know, And and somehow another that the church has convinced these people that, you know, the church is more important than all this lawlessness, lawlessness that's going on, you know, the even it's you know, black people were taught you know, the white man's evil, well,

you know, by the Nation of Islam or other you know, cults, and so you know, they you look at, well, who's you know, when you look at the Nation Islam's history, you know, they they said that the far Muhammad was was this god on earth? Well he was white, you know. And and then uh, you know, all of the guys

who've led the Nation Islam is mixed race. So it doesn't even make sense to sip there and say that, you know, you know that these guys were you know, you know, to sip there and tell these lies about that all white man are evil when no, you know, just like I was talking about the Bible Belt would look at the abolitionists, you know, the you know, escapes me, the guys up in Philadelphia that helped, you know, with

the with the Harry Tubman in the underground railroad. So you know, matter of fact, John Brown was white and and and he was an abolitionist, and and you you look at the fact that that he was the spark that started the Civil War. But you have these intellectuals that says, oh no, that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about it economics, and you're looking like, well, didn't John Brown was the one that you know, when he rated the Harper Prairie, didn't need a spark that

started because he was an abolitionist. So you know, but we get told these lies about our history all the time, and that another lie that that it kind of you know, it makes me feel sorry for these people a little bit because you know, and and in Revelations twenty one eight it talks about these eight types of people that you know, the murderers, the idolaters, the sorcerers, thebominable. These people are going they have their place in the lake

of fire. And you know, for the most part, you know, non believers for the most part, an these people know that they're not going to happen. If you ask a hit man or a drug dealer, they know they're not going to happen. But a gay guy thinks because he was born this way, he believes that he can still participate in male orgs and all kinds of weird stuff and think that he's got his place in heaven and he's been lied to, and.

in Italy? And she said, oh, Dad, come on, you know there was gazed in Italy. I said exactly, I said, But in this country it's it's we have to parade it around like it's something that we should you know, you know, like the lynchings. You know, we will take pictures of them. You know. Well, now in this instance, we want to dress up like a duck, you know, on a pride parade. You know, we want to you know, walk around with lipstick and rouge on. And it's it's insane.

But these people have taken this lie and and and this ran with it, and you think, man, my godness, you know, and sometimes they even want to blame the you know, they put it on a Bible, like the whole blacks and slavery, Well, that was the curse of Ham. Well, Ham wasn't cursed. And if and if somehow or another you believe that Ham and Shim and Jeopard are different races. And when he came from the same father and mother, I don't know what to tell you, you know, these guys.

And then I guess all the Ham's children just had sex with each other. They didn't, they didn't go and have sex with you know, they get married with their cousins. It's insane stuff that we'll put on a Bible. Like you know, I don't know if you're familiar with Bill Maher, but he's just, yeah, it's bild, okay. And he'll say, well, why doesn't the Bible just you know, denounce slavery. It does. He says if a man still a man, he should be put to death in every every scripture that you

can read. This is that we should obey our masters. Also says that our masters to treat us like their brother or or they you know, or or or they say that they have a master to the one in heaven, and they should you know, treat this, you know like you know that they would treat their brother. Not only that is that I remember Abraham he had because a lot of time to use the word servant, right, Abraham had three hundred trained servants that kicked the butts of

four kings armies. Well, it don't sound like these servants were slaves in the way we think of slaves. I think that these are you know, people just work, you know, their employees and they and they you know, they obey their employer or you know. I don't know if it's that simple, but I'm just saying that when you Jesus even said that he was a servant, so we put servant servants and slavery. I don't think it always matches up, but we want to, you know, like hold a Bible.

It's it's saying that we should you know, you know that the Bible. Uh, you know, it's saying that we should we agree with slavery, and I I know it doesn't you know, these these servants are just you know, and even when there is obviously slaves, like in the Egypt times that God took his people out of Egypt, and in a lot of times the same you know, either when it was Hebrews or Israel, when when God put him in captivity because they disobeyed him. He told them

and and and the Deuteronomy and lit. It is that, hey, man, if you worship these other gods, this is what's gonna happen to you, you know. So I don't know. I just think that the that that you know, these lies are just I think that when you look at Matthew twenty four and the disciples asked Jesus, what would be the the sign that that you're coming back? And he said he could have said anything that was in chapter twenty four, you know, but he said, let no man

deceive you. And and it's almost like our including in our country, if we can't wait to be deceived, you know, we make up words like swagger and stuff like that, like what does that mean? Does it mean integrity, Does it mean courage or strength or no, it just means what. I don't know what it means. But we make up this stuff like one of the one of the most

the one of the biggest lies. I really just test is that like these rappers that they've murdered hundreds of rappers because they think that, oh, for me to be a rapper, I have to have street cred And I'm like, well, when I ask young people, why does you why do you think that? Well, you know, the rappers grew up hard, I said, you don't think blues players and jazz players grew up hard in the Mississippi Delta. You don't think

you know? I mean, this is ridiculous. Yeah, but they believe this lie to the point where they will one rapper talk about another rapper here go murder this rapper. They might even be friends, and and they murder each other over this foolishness that think this lie that they've believed, you know, in the immediate promost these lies. And we're sitting on front stage this whole Pitt Diddy thing.

And I've heard you talk about Kevin Knives and Don Henry.

don't give Hillary these tapes, you know. So it sounded more or less like, you know, yeah, I think the boys on the tracks, you know, both Clinton's had something to do with that. But some of the stuff, I think it's it's Hillary, you know, and but nobody wants to hear it because they're so in true wrenched to

the Democratic Party. But on the same token, the Clinton made his rise through the Republican Party through Herbert Walker Bush because Herbert Walker with the you know, the Ryan contra, he was the one who's bringing the drugs through through through the c I A you know, so, and I had a picture of of you know, Bill Clinton and Herbert Walker Jr. Herbert Walker shaking hands at this at

this picnic back in eighty three. And what is a Democratic governor doing with a vice president Republican while he's the vice president and they had a cook, they had a picnic. Don't even make sense, man, You know, we just believe stuff, these people who have been in conhoots with each other forever, you know, and conspiracy that that. I don't understand what.

they still have a lot of conspiracies around them. It's just that they're not as obvious as the Clintons and the Bushes, you know, but they have just as many conspiracies they they you know, it's just you know, sometimes it's like like with the Bushes, I mean, Prescott Bush, he was giving money to Hitler, yeah, you know, and and didn't get his money back until you know, because they froze his assets because of helping the enemy act. Right, So it's like, you know, these guys are just really

and the same thing with with with nine eleven. No one wants to believe that, oh you know that that you know that our country would do that to our own people. But explain building seven, Explain the third building.

you know, so I always thought that even though I was in the service at the time, I was, yeah, I was, I was reservist then, and I was, uh, we were finding missions out of Andrews. But you know, and and as soon as you know, as soon as it went down, you know, you know, we went and got ready and reported and all that stuff. But I always knew I wasn't mad because I always knew, like, man, this is probably some blowback something our country had done that you know then you know, but then that whole

narrative it's probably a lie too. It was no blowback. These guys ain't handed to do it, you know, Uh, it was probably an inside job. They talk about Israeli is across the bridge celebrating. Who knows that's and that's another lie. It doesn't matter to God what our bloodline looks like you know what I mean. We we got all kinds of different lies about the the Jewish, you know, Israel, Israelis and the Israel State, the State of Israel, and

the Jewish people, and then you got the the Hebrew Israel. Like, none of that stuff matters. That God is If you are a child of God, if you have believe in Jesus, all you have to do is believe on Jesus and and and and do his word, do obey's commandments. Not that you have to work for, you know, to be saved. But like you said before, when you repent, you should be getting better at this thing.

didn't scatter him for no reason. Right, He scattered these guys because of there because you kept you know, worshiping these other gods and kept giving your babies to Molop and you kept doing you kept doing it every ever when you read and you read kings, and these guys just kept, you know, going against God. They made God unhappy. They you know, infuriate God because they kept, you know, going against God. And I don't see why you will want to celebrate that. You but when you look at it,

we come from so many different that's necessities. Then how could it possibly matter you know, our skin color or or you know we you know, uh, and and then and and they and they build on these lines, you know, to the point where you be like, hold on, man, this is crazy. You know. So one guy told me that I was a Hebrew Israel. Like if my thought, if the male that came off the ship is this, I'm a the senate of the male that came off

the ship. So if if I'm a senator of a female that came off the ship, oh then I'm not a Hebrew. It got it got to be the seed of the male. So so you know, that doesn't even make sense, you know what I mean? Like if if if if the male that that created the female that was on the ship, if he died while he was in Africa, that doesn't matter, you know, I mean, and it doesn't a her is like I mean, people just they believe my uncle. He's like in like ninety eight

years old. He was a Nation Islam guy and he said that, oh yeah, we believe in Jesus. We believe that he was a prophet. But he only he only he only preached to the white men. I said, how many white men as you thought was in the Middle East in Jesus day? I said, I said, man, come on, it doesn't even make sense. I don't even believe, you know. See, And that's another thing I guess I'm other belief that you know, Romans and Greeks. I don't believe that they

are are the same, you know, European. I just believe that all of us are the same people. We came from the same mother and father, Adam and Eve. And it's other. All this other stuff is foolishness, you know.

they knew who she represented. You know, These these people that the Pope and the and the presidents and the the chancellors and the prime ministers, they're being guided, you know.

And and even even if they're not meeting with singings representas in themselves, these secret societies, somebody is dealing with this, these these these principalities, and they're being told to do, because you notice that they can go centuries and planning, you know what I mean that that we don't even understand these the that America was put here for a reason. This you know, Christopher Columbus didn't you know, discover anything.

He was sent here. They it's impossible that the leadership in Europe did not know about the ericson the Vikings have been over here. The there's even evidence that other black nations have been over here, you know, so you know, believe me. I mean, Christopher Lumbers definitely didn't discover this place.

this the laboratory, you know, the CERN laboratory. And then they every year they do this dance, they do this ceremony, you know, like that sirn surn isn't a spot. I guess it's an organization. I guess they started the the World Wide Web. And you know, but they're they're they're behind the laboratory, the the large Hyde collider, and they spend trillions of dollars on this thing every year. And

they're supposed to be duplicating the Big Bang theory. And I mean like so they're they're under the three D three hundred feet underground and it's seventeen miles in diameter and nobody thinks nothing of it, you know, So I just think that, you know, the whole space stuff and NASA and and even like this really SpaceX is really like come on, man, these people are not going nowhere. No, no, and we believe this stuff man.

these guys believe, Saytan, they think they can live forever. Yep, you know, and you know that I think they didn't they like these musicians, they didn't sold his soul and these big families, all these these thirteen families, they didn't sow this so to do his bidding, and that's where they get their messages from. And you know, and like again, I keep talking about this two party system, but why did both of these parties. Everybody is you know, is

a member of the of the Council on Foreign Relations. Yep, absolutely, you know, and we keep on just voting for him, like oh.

in school? And she said yeah, I said, do I talk about syphilis and stuff like that. Yeah, I said, you see the guys these big these these big accessors and and and and and you know, swollen knees and elbows and all kind of horrible looking pictures. She said yeah. And I said all these guys were black, right, she said yeah. And they was all men. And that's it. Because of the Tuskegee experiment. They experimented with these guys,

they injected them with syphilis or they court syphilis. And then, you know, even though we had a I don't know exactly when we had a cure when Pilacina came around, but it was before the end of the war. And but all the way up to seventy two, these guys walking around with syphilis, and they're taking pictures and experimenting with these guys, you know, and we see it to this day. My grandaughter just graduated from high school. And so they're still teaching us because I know, I remember

seeing those pictures and I'm sixty one. So they're still teaching the uh, the you know, the remnant of the Tuskegee experiment, you know, and and and same thing with the Japanese experiments on chemical warfare. Well, you know the same thing with the operations paper clip we took all these Nazi scientists. Was something wrong with the scientists we had over here? You know, Oh, I can't hear you, George.

It's just very selected programming.

talking about? Yeah? And uh And it's almost like, you know, because I'm just you know, I'm just a postal worker. I can't read. You know, well I couldn't read when I was in seventh grade, but you know what I mean, Like, they just you know, they don't want to, you know, accept the Bible just because of the messager, percise just because I'm pointing out, I'm pointing a scripture out to you. Well, we're not going to believe you. Yeah, you're nobody. Yeah.

or fifty responses. But when when the church starts getting so far away from God's word and it's so obvious, then you do have to make a decision.

All his beliefs are aligned perfectly with ours, but when, unfortunately there are some cases where they get so far away from it, you have to make that decision that you know, it is my time here actually fruitful, right right?

and like, but Kyrine has to apologize. And you know he's a basketball player, man, right, I mean like, I mean like there has to be something said about Hey, man, I mean, I'm not talking about basketball players, but these guys aren't the top of the pinnacles when it comes down to being smart, you know. Right.

believe in any conspiracies. They come up with so much weird stuff that that, you know, people think that all conspirators are like q Andon, whereas we have real conspiracies like nine to eleven and JFK and you know, all kind of different concern all kinds of different real conspiracies. But you know, they didn't have nothing to do with q Andon. But what did you think about this q Andon thing?

to do anything. You just stand by, sit on your hands, and there, you know, do Trump basically, I guess is really working to fight against the deep state. He has this pocket of military under his control. There's even I saw yesterday like this plan tomorrow during the military parade to activate the military and we're going to take back the country. And it's just like, you really need to

take a walk. And I'm not trying to insult anybody by any way, shape or form, but if you think he took this route to surprise everyone and things are just going to change, I don't know what else to tell you. I mean, I get the fact that some people A like to feel part of a club or b they feel like they're contributing to something right because people will put these in their social media things, I'm part of Q this and that it's just if there's two people who can make change in this world, yourself

and Jesus Christ. If you're going to sit on your behind and wait for other people to make your life better.

twenty four hours. I mean, I'm talking about like four year old children, eleven year eleven month old children, all kind of weird, really weird stuff. It's in this book, of course. Alverd Kinzie died back in the fifties. And I think there's a movie about him that the guy that played in taking Neil Leam movies. Yeah, he plays upont but it's the movie doesn't even touch what this

guy was really about. But he they was raping children and the parents of raping children, and he's documenting this sickness, and he's going around the country saying that, oh, pedophiles aren't that bad, we shouldn't be locking them up, and you know, foolish, crazy, crazy stuff. And this is back in the forties that even the Nazis they had been warned about this guy. The Nazis is warring about evil because matter of fact, Oh my god, what's the guy's name,

the evilish guy? And Britain out what's his name? The ball head guy that that that started all this rock and roll?

that that you know, sickness is sickness. And the dude that that I think his name was Harry Hey or something like that, he was in charge. He was in charge of the lgbt Q before the lgbt Q came around. He would do these prip raids and they have they have pictures of this guy with a T shirt saying that we're down with Namela and NAMBLA was this.

ye every time as much it's it's one politician name I can't think of her name. She started to Texas, but you know she gets on these Republicans and all this stuff, but she cannot resist bringing up transgenders, like the transgender problem America is really a problem like not poverty, not healthcare. We somehow know that we have to bring up transgenders every time, and it's like, you know, it just gets to the point where you just want don't want to listen to the news at all, you know,

I just want to turn everything off. Yeah.

Like it said, theory, they shared it in the commentary.

walk around and and just with your head in the ground. Yeah, but you're you're hating on me because I have this knowledge and you don't you know, for some reason, it's for the last seventy years and it's lived by you. But you know, why don't you like like you just did you looked up you know the two minutes? Yeah, I mean, like it doesn't take a lot just to look it up. If if you think I'm lying, just look it up. But no, we would rather you know, No,

you can't be telling the truth. You're not You're you know you're not credible. You're not a pastor or you're not an educator. You know, you don't have any degrees, so you know you can't know this.

it so vividly, like the firmament is the heavens. I used to think the firmament was the ground, but he says that the firment that ground is the earth, and the waters is the seas and the oceans. So he gives us these explanations. It's not that hard. And then he says, the firmament is the heavens and that and the firmament divides the waters below from the waters above. So that was my first and then of course my my next one would be that you know, the sun

and moon was made on the fourth day. And then then you notice when you look at your weather report, it says you know sunrise and sunset. It says it right there on your your your broadcast, when you you look at when the when the sun is going to rise, and might say six o'clock and then sudden sets on eight o'clock. So, because the sun is the only thing that's moving, I think even in Psalms, I think of songs Shifty where it says that the sun will rise

and the sun will you know, go down. So even in God's word, he's telling what the sun is on that is moving, not not the earth and user. So then you can obstantly see the moon moving, right, So the moon is moving and the sun is moving. I can see this when I used to you know, cut my lawn, I don't cut my lawn anymore. I had two hippoetations, so I don't cut the lawn no more. But when I used to cut my grass, and I you know, you know, when you work in two jobs.

I work two jobs on my life. But when you work in two jobs, you know you have to cut grass when you can cut it and soil. You I'm up there trying to keep my grass cut before the sun goes down, and I can actually see the sun moving, and it's way before I thought about flat Earth. But I'm looking at the sun moving as it's moving because you know, you you do about you know, three or four lines. You know, I had like, you know, two acres of yard, and so I mean, I'm cutting grass

like I'm rushing. Oh my god, it's gonna get dark. You know, I don't want to run over you know, you know you're cutting grass. Don't want to run over something that, of course might be important. So I'm trying to beat the sun going down, because the Sun is actually going down, not not the Earth, not the not the solar system. So that's uh, I think that's number five.

Oh then on you know, I've been on a couple of cruises I'm not a real big cruiser, but I've been on a couple of cruises lately, and so you can see the including when you use your iPhone or some other type of camera, and you you can see the beach for miles away when you're on the boat, and you'll be like, well, why isn't the curvature. I should only be able to see the tops of the buildings by now, but I can see the actual coast.

I can see the beach, the coast, and and we're a mile away from We're miles away from this place, so you know, you don't see the curvature, And then I know this doesn't really matter. I got a friend that's a pilot, and guy asked him. I said, I told him, you know, I'm a flat Earth and that I said, does you know he's been flying as long as I've been in the Air Force. You know, I can't recall, you know, when I joined the unit, he

was already there, so he's been flying for years. And I said, is there any instrumentation anything on that plane, anything that you've been taught or trained to do that is for the curvature of the of the Earth. He said, no, there's no instrument, instrumentation, there's no guidance or what you're supposed to do because of the curvature. So if he's just flying straight right, wouldn't he just fly off the

earth at some point? You know? And then of course he says that the earth you can, he told me, but you can see the curvature when you're flying. I said, well, yeah, you know, And I ain't want to just really get into it, but I'm thinking, well, we're in a dome. Probably you know, uh, you can probably see the curvature of the dome, but I don't know. But the fact is that there's no instrumentation. You know that that these guys aren't taught and they're all there, you know, training

as a pilot. They're not talking about they're not taught anything. This is what he's telling me. They're not taught anything about no curvature. And then of course, you know, I guess this is six or seven the water. What would happen to all the water man if we was around if we're spinning? I mean, like if they actually had a space, they wouldn't space. And you know, we see all these things about astronauts and I've actually been in you know, altitude chambers because I was a flight midtic,

so I've been the out two chamber. We had to go every two or three years or something. And then you know, you talk about these g forces, so you're thinking that this Earth can spend at a thousand miles an hour, right, and and nothing violent happens to them when they leave out of Earth's orbit. Nothing violent happens. You know, it's just oh, yeah, the Earth is going on thousand miles per hour and they just they just go out of Earth's atmosphere and nothing happens to them.

That's insane, and we believe it, you know stuff. So I think I think there was a six silver But I know I haven't done any experiments and stuff for the cruise thing. And and I guess my only experiment with the sun and the moon is actually visually seeing

it moving. Oh but yeah, I think I didn't covered everything that And then other things in the Bible does point to that lacking Joe where he talks about that you know he created, where were you at when you know God had put the pillars of the earth you know here, And and I guess my only if I had a last statement to say about about about flat Earth.

If if if George of all of us in the truthful community, we're wrong, if we were wrong about flat Earth, that wasn't it wouldn't be any you know, supreme consequences, you know what I mean. You know, we believe in Jesus right, and we live our lives. If Jesus and our belief in Jesus wasn't correct, wasn't act accurate, or wasn't fact or wasn't true, there is no consequence. We would die like everybody else died, and we would get

what everybody else got. But the problem is if we are accurate with our believe in Jesus, with I believe in the flat Earth, then everybody who is it doesn't believe their consequences is the lake of fire, his grave and and and you know, to the point where I don't even like hearing people say, you know what we have? You know, we have the victory. Satan is the feed it well every time he steals a soul from us,

you know, this is this is terrible. These people that I believe in that, you know, including the people we named earlier that that that really think they're doing good, you know, for hundreds of years. You know, these people did horrible things to people, and they thought it was good. The people who live in these alternate lifestyles, they're thinking that because I was born this way, you know, I have the right to do what I want to do.

And you know there's grave consequences for this belief. And you know, sadly, you know, I haven't had a whole lot of you know victories. You know, a lot of people who I know don't believe. They still don't believe, even though you know, I try to. You know, I pray for him, I witness to him. But you know, even my sister, you know, she you know, she doesn't I have one sens to believe munths as it doesn't.

And you know, she just she said the other day that, well, you know, man wrote the Bible, you know, And and then you know, I went down why I believe in the Bible or the con the prophecies that that that they said two thousand years ago, that's coming through today, even Daniel prophecies, and she just looked at me like one you know, it was going in one ear and coming out the other one. So that's why you know

where I'm at with with flat Earth. I guess, uh, I believe I have faith in it, you know, and if and and that if nothing else, if the world wasn't flat, it definitely isn't some round balls spending that thousand miles an hour.

six six hundred and twenty seven miles an hour. So I just described Earth through the scientism, right, I said what would happen to its trajectory if a nuclear bomb? And then I entered the size of the ones that went off in Hiroshima went off and it kind of beat around the bush, and I said, would it change its directory trajectory? And it said yes, it would slightly

change its trajectory. So theoretically, when that bomb went off in nineteen forty five, the Earth should have just it should have just destroyed everything because it knocked it off its axis and it affected all these other things. So just that the lies of I think that's a lie myself to nuclear missiles, they've been a threat for eighty years. I think Tokyo was a fire in Hiroshima was a

fire bombing. The only journalist that they led in after that was a guy who was part of the Skull and Bones from the New York Times to.

July when it's one hundred degrees. So thanks for all you've done and thanking coming on and sharing your story as well, and as always will give you the last word.

you know, it didn't you know, affect my life. But if but non believers, you know, for eternity, they're going to pay the price for not believing. And you know, I just wish that somehow or another. You know, it's just like the story the Parable when Jesus was talking about uh, the risk Man and Lazarus, and and the risk Man wanted Lazarus to come and preach to his brothers, and you know, the Abrams said, well, you know, if they don't listen to the prophets, they're not gonna listen to

the Lazards. And there's no way for them to do it. So you know, hopefully somehow or another. There's a shift in the in the in the country, in the world where people you know, I think, I know you talked about it before in your shows about how COVID brought a lot of people around to it, and maybe something else will bring people around to believe in Jesus. And you know, the flat earth is just a part of it. But the real belief is in Jesus that bleeves. Jesus died

for our sins. And so once we get to that belief and bleed the Bible, then I think that everything else will, you know, come around.