Episode 217: Flat Earth Conversation with Bobby

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Welcome back truth. See here's from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast as we record on this Monday evening, May nineteenth, twenty twenty five. Hope everybody had a great weekend and is doing well. Just a couple quick notes before we bring on today's guest, Bobby from the great state of Texas. First and foremost, please do stop buy the new website truthernet dot com, join us in our social area. It's

Of course, man look forward to prop Thank you.

Yeah. Please do, as always, take a moment or two and introduce yourself to our audience.

I'll make I'll try to make it as quick a moment because I'm I'm your guests, and they kind of ramble a little bit. Bobby, excuse me not to be fifty five years old. I've got six boys, me and my wife. It's me, my and hers and hours. I've got a fix some be eleven year old son. A couple of doctors in the family or one about to be, one is, and one that works for me. I have dort work. It's my third and last marriage. Sadly, it's the third, But you know, it is what it is.

Let's talk a little bit about your journey to the truth and how it all culminated to you bring you know, coming on this podcast tonight, what was your first inkling that what you're being you know, what you were being taught or told how the world works was being differently as you perceived it.

Okay, so I'm not really sure, because I do drink beer on a regular basis, I don't remember the exact timing of it. I did go to January sixth, me and a few buddies friends of mine drove from.

Houston to d C.

And that was a very eye opening expense, to say the least. What was kind of being portrayed as what I actually witnessed, And I really, honestly, I can't remember. I was right about the time I learned a few things about flat Earth away was shortly there after one of the two.

So that's about the length of time. And ever since then, it's just.

Been a whole lot of me telling everybody, you know, wanting I went through a phase of wanting to inform and tell everybody about what I've discovered because I just could not understand, you know, how we were lied to, and the truth to me seems very apparent. How uh Now, I'm just kind of you know, somebody says something about the globe, I mean, you know, I'll correct them and say, yeah, you mean the plane.

Uh.

I'm a little bit of a contrarian. So I don't mind the debate here and there. But that's about the time period that it that it all happened. The way it happened was kind of odd, and I'm guessing it had to have been shortly after I came back from January sixth. I was already I know, you like to ask people, were there other things that led you to this, you know, other conspiracy theories or truth theories or however you want to word it. And I would say the nine to

But that's it. That's how it became a member of the real existence.

That's well stated, and a couple of things I want to touch on before we go forward, because it's interesting you mentioned that in regards to a message I got today. But one of my earliest awakenings was when I was in the military and we saw things that were going on and we'd come back from whatever particular mission and CNN would be reporting something that we saw firsthand, but it would be completely different than what we saw and we're all looking at each other, that's not what went down.

Okay, so it was crazy.

So I got down there the day before Trump was going to give his speech. I got down there on the fifth and we went to this restaurant and so I had already come to the realization that COVID was fake. And we go to this believe it or not, there is a Mexican restaurant on just on the other side of the river. We were staying and this guy was sitting there. He was obviously a Trump supporter, which I was at the time. I'm not saying I am or I am not right now, I'm just going to ride that.

Fence for a minute.

But anyway, he was sitting there eating it he'd left about half of his more than half of his food, and I was like, we were waiting in line for about an hour, and so I introduced myself and I said, are you going to finish that? And he goes no, And this is in the height of COVID. Obviously, I sat down, I grabbed his pork ate the rest of his Mexican food, and everybody around that worked.

There like, oh my gosh, what's this guy doing.

So anyway, me and my friends we ended up sitting talking with him, sat down with him.

He joined our problem, along with a couple other people. So then the next day rolls around, We get out there. I may or may not have had a couple of margaritas and beers. That kind of eludes me.

So we get to the monument, you know, the site where the speech was going to be held, and it was cold. It was a different kind of cold. It was the wind was just blowing really, really strongly, and so I was underdressed, so I was freezing. They had no portal cans, and I mean literally not one portal can anywhere from the monument all the way down, you know, through the mall to the Capitol building.

So we listened.

No, yeah, not, and so I might have had to use the restroom. So we're making our way. We left probably about ten minutes before Trump finished speaking, just to kind of get a head start because it's a pretty long walk. I think it's about seventy seven miles that's what it felt like anyway. So we're about halfway, give or take, and we start hearing what sounds like not fireworks, but it sounds a little deeper than that, kind of like the concussion grenade you here during Fourth of July.

Nobody can call anybody. They're going in and out.

You'll have service, and you'll go into airplane mode, SOS mode, whatever.

And we keep walking.

Then we start getting closer to the Capitol Building, and there were just I mean the whole walk up there, it's just a bunch of what I would call normal, you know, guys and gals just kind of interested in thinking that the.

Election was stolen and that's what we were there for.

And as we're getting closer, we can see, I mean, they'd already been inside the building and had different things draped over the sides of the Capitol Building. And I was with a friend of mine that came that joined me up there, and some guys that we met, and so we're right up on the Capitol lawn and they said, uh, we're going to go in, and I was like, I would love to, but I have to go to the bathroom so badly I am not going.

So I uh, I don't know if I should say this.

I may or may not have urinated on the on the lawn of the Capitol Building and some bushes and then didn't make it in.

I got about fifty feet from.

The steps and realized that I'm not sure this is going to go the way I needed to go, because my luck with things like that is not always the best. So I just stay back. And now I'm sitting there by myself, and I came across a couple of very very odd instances of kids. I'm sorry, I say kids. They're twenties, thirties. They look more like Antifa than like,

Agent provateurs, right, yeah.

And I had one lady that got to the front door of the Capitol building. There's a bunch of people pushing and pushing, and all of a sudden, there were police on one side and the quote unquote protester, you know, the protesters on the other side. And a gun slides over from the police side over to the protesters and they look at each other like yeah, nope, and they kicked it right back overturn. And so yeah, a couple of my friends went in. One died shortly thereafter. She

I've got the megaphone.

Yeah, I've got the megaphone that went in there that he used still as the little keepsake. And anyway, we you know, after all that happens, I'm standing out there freezing, I'm like, hey, I'm going back to the hotel, so triculate my way back to the hotel room. I called my mom and I said, she goes, I can't believe what they're doing to the Capitol Building And I said,

So anyway, they I.

Saw a bunch of people that I talked to after the fact, and they were tear people reason throwing the flash grenades into the crowd to try to incite them, and uh, some of them fell for it, some of them didn't, you know. But anyway, that that was really my experience. And when I got back and saw we turned the news on and I was like, yeah, that's they are showing pictures that I saw witness, but that's

So yeah, first of all, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. That that's I don't know if that's a coincidence that that happened so shortly after that particular incident our friend that we had on the other podcast, Jeremy Brown, master sergeant retired. You know, he spent he just got released from prison about six weeks ago, two months something like that. I'm not good with with timelines, but you know, there was a thousand people whose ABIs corpus just went right out the window?

Was it?

The fourth and sixth amendments just went right out the window. And that's something we've been talking about a lot. And I just wrote an article the other day on substack about you know, as Americans, we keep I want to say this because you know, as someone who served for so long, you know, you told you're defending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But these type of documents are supposed to be two party agreements, and if only one party's abiding by it, then there's it's got to

Weird how that happens.

Yeah, just just a coincidence for sure. Well, I'm glad that you came out of it. And if there was ever a time that someone needed to use the bathroom, I think that's probably the best thing that might have ever happened to you. After you know, everyone else who went in there ended up in the gulags.

Yeah.

I never at the moment when we're sitting there, I didn't think anything like that because it really wasn't. There were some again, I think there were more provocateurs that went in there and got people to go in. But you know, I talked to some some people had some their phones were working, and they were literally walking down and the police, some of the police were very polite, almost like they're showing them a tour of the Capitol building. And I saw, I saw that firsthand. It wasn't something

Saved the day. Going back to your original thing, how you were excited, and I was the same way, right. You find out anytime you find a new rabbit hole, you connect a few dots. You want to share, you know, the newfound knowledge with others. I'm gonna be very vague

My thought is.

That means we're moving forward and that's a positive.

Last May, we went on a cruise.

I purposely bought fifteen flatter T shirts anything from you know liars, you know with the NASA logo on it to I've got fifteen of them. Literally, I wore it every single day on this cruise for five days and I only had one negative. I had a whole lot of and believe it or not, I was mostly younger people. When I say younger, in the twenty five to thirty five range. It gave me a thumbs up or I love your T shirt or something like that, and I

So.

I think it's a good thing, you know. I'd love for them to talk about that. Because my son knows that I'm a flat earther. He doesn't he's eleven. He doesn't care. My wife, which is kind of odd. She she fits into that. She hears me, and she'll listen to me talk. She'll listen to me debate people in public, and she just stays neutral. And then you know, we'll talk and she goes Bobby. Everything he's saying makes perfect sense. But I just really don't give a shit if the Earth is flat or a globe.

I don't care, you know, And that.

Is perplexing to me because she's a big conspiracy theorist. Other than that, you know, she's grew up Catholic. She understands where the Catholic Church is and.

What she was told.

She loved and still, I hate to say it, loves Disney World, even though she knows it's probably not the most upstanding place in the world. She knows all the poisonings that go into food coloring and processed foods and coke, and you know, she.

Gets all of it.

And you know, obviously the number one, the biggest thing is all the child trafficking. And you know that should make everybody sad and pissed off.

Yeah, yeah, I agree, And I think even as Christians like we should see. I think there's a big difference between forgiveness and accountability. You can have both together, and I think that's what a lot of people fail. And when it comes to children, to me, that is a just a drop dead and the Bible is very upfront about it as well. Millstone into the ocean, you go,

Dude?

Well, you know they're they're I call it a game.

It's not much of a game, right, but their game is going to go on as long as you know there actually exists mainstream media, and you know that this is the Earth is the devil's playground. God has is in control, but he's letting the devil do what he The devil do what he do yep.

And just that was me being funny.

But I understand what you're saying about the rabbit hole of the pedophilia. You know, I don't care the name names. We all know who the players are. After you've seen enough of it, you don't have to keep watching it to know what's going on now, you know. So I don't think think you're putting your head in the sand by not watching and hearing all those stories. I think the way you combat that is you talk to people

People have heard about it.

We'll point it out and talk talk about it and explain you know, how many kids go missing across the world every year, and explain it in terms of Okay, yeah, that's enough to fill up eighty football fields stadiums worth of children.

Yep.

And if they can't get behind that, you may need to find some different people to associate with.

Yeah, one hundred percent. For me, it was that earthquake in Haiti? Was it ten years ago? And then you go down that rabbit hole and you see how many children disappeared from there, kind of weirdly almost to what we hear about what happened in the eighteen seventies with the what do they call them, the orphanage caravans or whatever they called. But you know, all these children straight up out of eighty just disappeared after the was it a volcano or earthquake?

Right?

And of course the Clinton Foundation stepped in and boom all of these but they're not headlines. And here's another thing for me that's especially in this day and age, you at this point you really have to discern the conspiracy theories. And I'm sorry for using that word, but people will post anything without even taking the time out to discern something. And it is a deep rabbit hole

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Cappy tied to what's his face?

Right?

Yeah to Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks with the gloves kind of referring to Isaac Cappy and.

Yeah, yeah, So that's my question. How much of it is that playing them off? Of like, how would I say? How much is it them planning fake evidence, throwing us bait just to see if we run with it?

To know that I know exactly how much? Who knows?

Yeah, I don't know if more flat earthers when they get into discussions.

I'm not trying to switch topics.

Oh no, no, No.

The way I answer that question when people ask me, well, what is a star?

What is the sun?

If you're perfectly honest, you your answer needs to be I don't know, Yeah, spot on, I can tell you what it's not. You know is from experiments and things not. I'm very big on Nathan Oaplean and how he attacks the globe models. So I don't want to say experiment, but observations. Observations can prove what is not? Now, what is the truth?

You know? No idea because we're.

Ob checked, too, subjucated, controlled by and you know, I'm I have a fly that will not leave me alone.

I can actually see Amisa rassing you, I'd finow a complaint.

I've got my bug at salt gun somewhere around here, and uh, have you ever seen those?

Yeah?

The funny thing is when you think there's like ten flies around, I'll shoot one and it's like, okay, he was pretending he was acting like ten flies.

I'm sorry, kind of got off topic there, but no, it's as far as now.

He really wants to be on my face too. It's like you can't land on my leg. So no, I think that a lot of it, you know.

Just like the Scholl shooting.

In the false flags, they put out disinformation just to keep people confused. But here's the weird thing is a lot of people aren't I'm not I'm not sure that the word blessed is the right word, but blessed enough to have the time to spend that.

You know.

I have my own company and I do okay, and so I've had time. I had a surgery back I don't know, three years ago, and that gave me about four months to do nothing but look into stuff. And a lot of people just don't have that opportunity. They don't know the alternative media, alternative media sites and places to go get information, so they're stuck and they may think, oh,

Same thing with flattery.

People come up with the same basic retort, and at that point I just have to cut the conversation off and just kind of pat them on their little head and say, yeah, you just you have to agree to not know the truth and I'll just, you know, keep understanding the truth.

So I agree, And I think that's why it's so important. You come from the aspect of throwing, just like fishing, throw a little something out there and if they bite or if they nibble a little bit, and then I'll

Well, no, I agree one hundred percent, because you even still see now after I don't know what percentage of people believe that COVID. Okay, so let me rephrase this. Everybody still believes a pandemic happened. And it doesn't matter which administration, whether it's Biden or Trunk as I call him, is going to keep pushing it. But they're still pushing the same narrative, just differently. You know, one is saying, okay,

You know, Trunk just signs is big.

You know, we're not going to finance gain of function research, but they're still perpetuating, perpetrating and leading. It sounds that same lie of viruses. And the weird thing is, I'll have these discussions with people and I can't remember the guy's name. He did some very short, very well done videos on viral theory versus train theory, and it's weird how those things are just never ever, ever mentioned anywhere, and they could reach millions and millions of people, and

And I guess a case in point would be my wife, who attends to sick people many times a week. She's the most healthiest person I know.

She probably is wearing a mask, is why she's says.

Oh, good, right, Well she wears four masks. She gets her vaccine every other month too, so we're covered there. But yeah, that's that's another great point. And that is something again if you bring up at the water cooler at work on a Monday morning, right after you get done talking about the game yesterday, if you mentioned, you know, how about that Antoine pa Champ. You know, he really

Just that is weird.

Hey, By the way, you do know, I'm probably gonna offend somebody that's French. But do you know at the streets of France are lined with trees, and I have no idea so the German army.

Can march in the shade.

Oh that's a good one. Hey, you may not want to laugh at that. But that's fine, it's all good. That that was I guess eighty or eighty years now. You can laugh now, right, I don't know.

Go to Germany and try to say the Holocaust didn't happen.

Oh, you go to jail. I interviewed Melanie what was her name, I can't think of it, Monica Schaeffer, Monica Schaeffer back in twenty twenty two to twenty three, and she had just gotten out of prison in Germany and she was You can listen to the interview, folks. Just go to the fact on her and put in Monica Schaeffer and listen to that podcast where she was in prison for eighteen months with people who had committed murder and stole cards.

For denying the Holocaust.

Yeah.

Yeah, she's a Canadian citizen now ied she was back in Canada when I interviewed her. But eighteen months in prison.

I've been on a telegram and you know, asking people, can you please provide me evidence that exists. There's a guy from Germany and he said I cannot comment because I could go to jail. And I said, are you absolutely are you kidding me? He said, no, absolutely not. You can go to prison for denying the Holocaust, and they're trying to push that shit here too.

I guess you know.

That, right, Yes, I do. They're they're pushing it very hard. They've insinuated. Well, there's you know, there's college students right now that are getting not thrown in jail and then deported because you know, like college students here on Visus.

There's a lot of states that are passing anti Semitism laws. And I think the funny thing about that is Jewish people aren't Semitic, so there's that that would be pretty easy to win in a port of well there are no reports, but anyway, another topic.

Right, yeah, yeah, and that, yeah, I think it lends credence to kind of the same anytime you get a topic that's that kind of react. I mean, we're sitting here talking about flat earth and the reactions it gets. So I've always said, the more of a reaction like that you get, I think that lends credence to the fact that you should take the time out and investigate it and listen, there's horrors and just terrible things in war all the time on both sides, and we don't

Wait what hey, excuse me, what is Helodomore? That was a joke. But you talked to ninety nine people in the street.

Well yeah, maybe not when I've never heard that word in their life, and they don't understand sixty to ninety million Christians were massacred and starved to death, and yeah, yeah, they've never heard of that.

No, the Armenian genocide. I didn't even I didn't know about the US liberty until Texas A and M. I was taken extended like a history to class at Texas A and M.

I'm oh, nice, No, I'm not. I'm not proud of that anymore. I used to be.

But yeah, that was a level of indoctrination I received.

Yeah, yeah, I learned some things public speaking class, the first when I ever took that help me, but yeah, it was it was a history too, and it was a paragraph long, and it was you know how these guys forgot to have the American flag up in Israel accidentally bombed them. And then you know, fast forward many many years later, I'm interviewing two guys from the USS Liberty who were on the boat that day. They absolutely did.

Me, it does. I see funny. I actually joined the Marine Corps back in nineteen eighty eight.

I'm about a year younger than you are. May not look at but hey, I'm still younger and that right.

But and I broke my leg in boot camp about two months in. And now, of course they're trying to get me to stay in. I'm a little bit smarter than the average bear, so they had great plans for me.

Blah blah blah.

But somemost tell me, you know this, this happened. You know, God has reasons for everything, and I saw my platoon moving forward and or company, and I was like, yeah, this I got demotivated. So I got I got discharged,

You know.

It's like, yeah, okay, I get it now. They make it funny, but that's literally what is happening.

So yeah, and it does. There are certain rabbit holes that does pull that veil back from you. And you know, I've said it many times and I'm going to hide it. To some point. I was a hypocrite because I did see some things during my time that should have raised a bigger flag. And a person who was fully you know, full of conviction, like you know, would have would have said, you know, raised certain things up and put their foot down.

Absolutely.

But you know, like you said, I mean, they don't recruit people at sixteen, seventeen eighteen to join the military because they're good young fighters, because obviously you're you're stronger time as a as a combat person would be in your mid twenties to you know, early thirties. They do it because you're almost drop the F bomb, because you're freaking naives. Yeah, that's why they do it. You're you're

You know, stand out.

Line with that little air needle thing and get the shots. And I have no idea what they all was pumped in me. Yeah, I mean that's the Tuskegee in the Tuskegee Experiment, that's right. I mean that shit didn't stop just because it was nineteen eighty nine.

Just like MK Ultra hasn't stopped to this very day.

Of course, not.

Those astronauts. They go off to their little place where they've been programmed to go. They probably I say this, the more I think about it and look into these people in their backgrounds, I think they firmly believe that they've been in outer space.

Man, that is such a weird subject. And that's a whole you know, flat Earth, there's flatter but kay. When people ask me that, I'm like, man, I don't know what to tell you. You know, do I think your uncle works at NASA? Yeah, if you're in I mean, I don't think you have a reason of a lie to me as to why he works at NASA. But I think he has no idea outside of his little compartment of what he.

Does about, you know, going to space.

And it's getting so ridiculous now with you know SpaceX and you know, of course that abomination from Oh.

My gosh, brain Dead.

Anyway, the women up in space had just happened, and that that was so fake and gay, that was just hideous.

That a poor attempt.

Yeah, so you know the one thing that I've always asked, and this is why I wanted to call come on your podcast, because everybody's got.

Their own story.

I'm very not religious as I go to a church religious, but I'm very rounded in my faith in God. But the weird thing is I did not get I grew up my entire life. I was always I've heard guys on here say how smart they are. I'm just a slightly above average guy, cave when it comes to problem solving and doing okay for yourself and all that. So, but I've always been very questioning of the Bible and how does this work with science?

You know, how can God.

Be everywhere at one time and you know billions of people that He's listening to every single thing they say, do, and how you know decisions they make? And so I used to believe in God before I became a flat earther, and now I don't.

Now I know God exists.

And I say that because once you hear some little you know, like the idea of have you ever seen a tornado cut a path through a forest and build a house, or have you ever seen beaches tides, you know, make a sand castle? It's like, no, well, now take that I don't even know that, not right. Take that to whatever that degree is, and think of how did human beings come to exist without there being God, our creator?

And so that that was once.

I realized space was fake and gay and we've been lied to and the only place we can go out of space might be that way.

It might be that way, but it's not that way.

And that let me know that God is literally everywhere around us and everything, every living thing and probably every innate thing as well.

And that really.

It was an eye opener and it changed my life of you know, I'm you know, when you die, what happens. If you're not worried about that as a non believer, then you just have a weird way of thinking that I can't relate to. So that was me, you know, up until whatever five years ago. So like I tried really hard to believe in God. I try to read the Bible, go to church, never really think inuntil I

That's really well said. And you know you're touching on whether it's agnostics or atheists. I'd read something recently and if I can find it, I have it linked somewhere,

I agree with that.

I literally just watched the last I don't know, twenty minutes of the Passion of the Christ with my son yesterday and it was, you know, the whole crucifix scene or scenes, and you know, ever since, like I said, I hate to hate, I don't like that. My belief in God comes from that. I learned the realm that I live in. But it doesn't make me question who Jesus was and who he is in God's existence.

It reaffirms that to me.

But it was that scene with the crucifix of Jesus answers that same question. There's the son of God being tortured to death, and of course God could intervene, but he didn't because that was the purpose. I had a five year old niece that died of a cancer that is so rare. There's thirty seven cases a year in the entire I'm not going to say globe on the

I'm like, that's you're asking the wrong question.

You know.

The question is, or statement is, Please God, help me understand what it is you want me to learn and understand from this. And so I asked for acceptance and understanding. I'll never understand it, and I get that.

But it doesn't matter what's going on in my life, whether.

We're doing a million dollar deal or five thousand and we don't get it and we're mad, or somebody gets sick, you know, so there's a fight, whatever happens. Like, you know, God, just you know, give me the strength to understand what it is you want me to get out of this.

And that's all I all I asked for. I've got two sons.

That are nineteen and just about turn eighteen, and neither one of them are very strong and believe in Christ jet But I don't pray for them to know Christ. I pray for God to give me the understanding of whatever choice it is they'd make. I don't know if that's good writer indifferent, that's my perspective.

No, that was really well said, and that there's no easy way to deal with these type of situations. But you're right, there's, you know, the way of thinking that I'm so blessed to that, you know, we were able to meet and spend time with this individual. You know, we lost more guys in garrison than we did in combat because when they came home, they couldn't turn off their brains or their relationship. You know, they came home

I agree with that, And hearing you say that makes me wonder why are men and women sent to combat or even just the military life in general, and then sent back to the regular civilization. I say that air quotes without any kind of formal training, you take a kid from I'm sorry I used the word kid from.

A young man young woman eighteen to however long may serve.

And they're supposed to just integrate into society after being told what time to wake up, where to go, what to wear, how to wear, how to talk, how to salute, how to walk, I mean everything, you know, I remember book camping, and they're just supposed to go over there, fight, kill, follow orders, and then they come back even if they didn't see combat and there because a lot of people don't know how to behave whenever. It's like people getting

Oh no, I've said that one hundred times, dude.

Okay, So yeah, it's very similar, and they're not going to assimilate as the answer. Some do very well, you know, I've got friends that you know, colonel and the Air Force does very well. He still has his issues, don't kid yourself. But so yeah, the whole, yeah, military industrial complex and our military is part of that, to me, is a waste of nine hundred billion dollars a year.

So yeah, for sure, and they always increase it every year. And if you look at the you know, we have all these leaders who say they're Christian, but the Bible points to peacemakers more than they do warmongers and the beatitudes. I think you know it is, you know, blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of

By me? Yeah, absolutely, I think control power ego.

Yeah, it's just incredible to me. And that's a good point you made about the seventeen and eighteen year olds, because you're spot on. When I first joined the army in eighty seven, the PT test, the seventeen to twenty one bracket was the hardest, and then it went down every four years. They figured out in two thousand right about there that you peaked out at the twenty seven to thirty one. So now the PT test looks like

Not only will we train you to kill, we will pay for your indoctrination afterwards.

Yeah.

So, oh, the other big thing I was going to ask you, I'm sorry, I feel like I'm interviewing you.

That's fine.

So my biggest.

Question ever since I became a flat earth the okay, not right as I became a flat earth or learned of the realm we live in. It was probably about two to three months afterwards when I was talking to people, which I really assumed they would hear the information I was providing. They didn't have to spend all the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours I'd spent, but they could spend five, ten, twenty and then look at the key parts of the information I was providing and they

Yeah, and I think actually the word humble is a derivative of humilities. It's just being you know, maybe you know I'm willing to actually to look at other things. I don't know everything, and it is I think it depends on the person. I don't think it's across the board type of answers to why people won't look into it, because there's been people who I think they're you know, this person is just going to completely blow me off,

Yeah, I was at I was at hib you know what hib is store?

Yeah, grocery store here in Texas and I was wearing one of my shirts that said the Earth is flat, proved me wrong, and uh, some kid, he's probably about thirty, is working there and he saw my shirt and he laughed out loud, like very boisterously.

He goes, that's a joke, right.

I said, it's absolutely not a joke, but feel free to investigate it for yourself. Then he laughed out loud, really loud again, and I almost said it's about as funny as a thirty year old working as a checker at HD. But I'd refrain myself, which is probably good because my son was with me.

And so, yeah, when you're out with your family or that, do they enjoy that kind of back and forth that they know when they see dad putting on that shirt and you're heading out somewhere or is it something that they just kind of like, you know.

My eleven, well soon to be eleven year old, he'll outwardly say, Dad, do you have to wear that out in public? And I'll say, I absolutely have to wear this out in public. You'll say why, I say, why are you wearing that Nike shirt?

Because because I like it? I said exactly, I said, I'm.

Trying to give people something to think about. Every person that learns truth is another person that can spread truth. And I don't mind the banter every once and again too, So there's that.

Yeah, it's fun. I had a little fun during COVID when I'd walk somewhere without a mask on, right that the banter knowing to kind of testing each other's resolved to see how far each one will go before someone blinks.

You know.

We have bumper stickers and that kind of thing. We have the magnets on the car and I've never had My wife wears her shirt more than I do, to be honest with this. She's got an awesome map, the Gleason Map shirt. And my wife is the nicest person in the world, so nobody will ever confront her, which is real funny. So you can tell, like people family and friends want to say something to her, but they

I think.

I think all of the really really really important issues, you know, our lives, and so the easiest way to keep hiding those are to keep perpetuating the ones that are.

Easier for the average person that doesn't.

Want to take the time to spend to learn, like COVID if you go ask, I mean, my wife is in the medical industry. She worked doing the tests during COVID, and she saw what a joke it was, like, how they had to be so careful to It's like, if something is making you sick, it should be pretty easy

Any flu I've ever had.

I was like, wow, you perfectly absolutely got suckered in by that.

Now.

Is it a possibility that it was a biological weapon? You know, maybe, but I don't think that doesn't fit into the narrative of you made somebody sick naturally. So you know, I know there's a lot of crazy shit, I'm sorry, crazy stuff going on that.

We have no idea about, you know, do you know?

I mean whatever we know now that there's thirty years advanced knowledge or that was around thirty years ago and we're just now finding out about it.

Absolutely, these people playing well in advance.

Yeah, So it's easy to do.

You just all you got to do is take the small things and keep people scared of that, and then the big things.

Are easy to hide.

Was it Coke or koc ch right? That that's the Robert Coke or whatever his name was. Yeah, well, wasn't he the guy who came up with the asymptomatic term?

I don't. I don't know.

You know, when you learn so much new information at an older age, Oh yeah, you have to try to dislearn everything that you've learned, and now everything kind of jumbles together a little bit.

So that's kind of the state I'm in.

Yeah. Likewise, I still have to even things I've covered a multitude of times. I have to go back and check my I know. It's because the older we get that, the harder it is, the less gigs of ram we have in our story.

Right A de Fraga, we need McAfee back if he's actually dead.

Who knows?

Yea, we do.

Hey, I was going to ask you a question, and I hope this is okay to ask, but I remember I can't remember the I think he was German, the doctor that is on there talking about I know you said briefly on during the podcast that you and your wife had started taking it. Are y'all still taking it,

Don't take this wrong? But are you trying to create that?

Okay, I'm feeling better because I know you know, you have small farms, you're eating better probably than you have in you know, your first fifty years of life and all that. But has there be anything distinctive since you started taking ploying oxide that you'd want to share that you support what he's stating.

So I've taken it in both ways MMS, which is simply part three parts A, three parts B. You wait a minute, let him activate, add water and drink it, and then I've also made the CDs via the water absorbing the gas inside of a glass jar, and then I can show you here.

Well, I'll be able to see this when this airs because I always watch you on Spotify, so I don't get any any visuals.

Do you see that I can, but it's very tiny and years old.

So he has his protocols and I actually have it in the notes there. So like for the protocol, c is just the regular treatment and detox like the just general treatment. And once you make the CDs, you see there it's one milli leader of what you created there into one leader of mineral water and divided out through the day. And so to me, that's the question me and my wife originally asked, is is this a placebo effect?

Right?

You know you're taking this so you think you're feeling better. But we can honestly say now that we've been doing I think that interview was two months ago and we hopped on it within a week or two. I think it's noticeable difference with energy.

You know.

He reports that it improves your cardiovascular system. But as always one, I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. We're not all built the same, so I can't say because it worked well for me, that it's working for you. Another listener sent a picture of his he had a little cancer growth on his skin. He took it before and after picture that it's improving. That that's obviously a different protocol. You apply it topically

Yeah, I had actually earlier today.

I saw it was a clip. I have no idea.

You know, sometimes on telegram a different place is you don't know where this is coming from. But it was a guy talking to a large crowd and looked like some kind of gathering, you know, in the hundreds with multiple people on stage talking and he was talking about

Yeah.

Yeah, if you go to dioxi diacxcopedia so like, but it's dioxypedia, there are I don't know, the hundreds, maybe thousands of people themselves putting their testimonials in their pictures and their personal stories and uploading it to dioxypedia. It's called and you know, it is helping a lot of people, and it is detoxing a lot of people. There's a lot of people who claim that they were either a

So yeah, I wonder why more people don't know about it.

That was a bog Yeah, that was this not well. So the guy went one of the big guys who during COVID, His name was Jim Humble. I think I could be wrong. He was pushing this and people were buying it and getting healthy and it got out. And so you're old enough to remember the Bionic Woman, right, Oh yeah, Lindsay Wagner. Yeah, she's she's one of the people who gave her testimonials.

Back in I remember that, Lindsay Wagner, Right, yeah.

She she had a bad skin condition and she'd seen dozens of doctors and she did the dioxia you know again, the skin application with a sprayer, and like within a week something she'd been trying to get under control for years and doctor after doctor, within a week or two it started to just go away. And she's completely healed because of it.

I'm sure sure it's coincidence.

Oh yeah, it was just a coincidence. And by the way, they they as soon as it started to get popular that they threw that guy in jail, Jim Humble and his family.

So you remember when Tronk back during the middle stages of I call it Unicorns because it's fake as a unicorn. But back during the Unicorn period, he talked about using chlorine and he misspoke because I don't even know how really aware presidents are of crap going on. You know, they might just be up there saying what people want to hear and they really have no knowledge. It's like if you're a president and people that know the earth is not as fear, surely you have to know that.

Stupid? But yeah, pretty interesting.

Yeah, and the MMS is basically almost the same way as just purifying water.

Yeah.

No, I haven't done it yet, but I'm going to. I promise you, I'm going to do it. What was your I know you've asked this question again. I hate to interview you. What was your not your your silver bullet. One silver bullet on flat Earth for.

Me personally, yes, sir, you know that that's a good one because I was so blown away when it first happened. You know, I saw the videos of bringing the ship backs. That was a big one for me. But I think when I now, I think I did that much later when I did the little experiment and the moonlight was much cooler than the regular air by a couple of degrees.

But you can't, you can't him haul. You have to pick one.

Yeah, that's you know. A big part was just when I went back and read Genesis all over again, just Genesis one, and it all made sense. And you have to remember, I was at a point that I was just coming upon one rabbit hole after another, getting to the very bottom of nine to eleven. And I'd been I've known about the Bush family for years, so but when those dots connected, I started to understand. And I think all truthers go through a certain period when you're like, man,

Yeah.

I remember you talking about whenever your first few episodes, when you're talking about how you were like what and how you just happen to be open to that because you'd learned just enough lies, like well.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yep, yeah. Mine.

Mine is the probably simplest of all, and that is you can see too far. And have you ever seen Gosh? I'd look it up on my phone, but I don't want to disturb this Jay.

Is it not Tolkien?

Gosh dog, he's a guy that's got a YouTube channel and he does a lot of infrared photography from high altitudes.

Oh yeah, I know you're talking Tolan J.

Toli. That is who it is.

Well, anyway, that for me is that you can see too far. You know a lot of people if they say something to somebody that's researched a little bit, and they try to debunk it, like they'll say, well, it's eight inches per miles square, and then the person quote unquote smart person will say, well that's a parabolic formula. It's like, okay, it is, you're right, but it's accurate, you know, up to one thousand miles. But the real

I don't even want to get on there. I just want to listen to them.

But uh, you know, the real formula is one point two twenty five times a square root of the observer's height and feet will tell you the distance before an object is obstructed by the bulge.

So when people say, well, you're so high.

Up, of course, it's like, yeah, well that formula takes all that out of the equation. Well, it actually puts it in the equation to be more accurate. So yeah, for me, it was seeing too far. Then once you you know, first you want to hear the kickbacks from Neil deGrasse Tyson and you know Bill nine and all these jokes that well it's refraction, and it's like, okay, well,

So he's seeing Lake Huron twelve.

Hundred miles away, which would be hidden by several miles of bulge.

As they say, yeah, he wouldn't come close to seeing that.

Yeah, And there's some really cool photos and videos using infrared that you know, at least look at it. If you want to argue with somebody that has looked at at least go look at it yourself, you know, before you come to that conclusion.

And that's a big thing too. People will blindly defend something they know a little about. You know, if you if you ask them how far aways the sun, how ways the far aways the moon? How fast are we traveling? That they'll they'll give you the old shoulder struck.

They have no idea what we're what it's supposed to be. And then ask them was gravity One out of fifty might say mass attracting mass? And then when you tell them you know that was debunked by Einstein's general relative theory of relativity, its space time bending, and they're like, oh, what's that.

It's like, it's nothing.

It's just a bunch of fake math that describes why things go down better than a.

Force, which has already been debunked as a force.

And then when they hear what is the three body problem, they have No, they've never even heard that, you know, they don't understand. They had to combin Einstein's theory relativity along with Newtonian gravity to make it where three bodies could coexist in gravity be doing what it's doing. And by that time when you have to get into that point with somebody, they're so far gone and they can't tell you what gravity is without using the word force.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and maybe drop them a bread crumb later on down the road. It was funny when I was taking my car and to get service today, I was listening to doctor Vody Balcolm, I think his name is pronounced, and he was talking about how people with little faith something, but he used the term was like trying to collect water with the ball or catch water

Had a phone call come in?

Oh, no, you're good. I was just saying, no, can you hear me? Okay?

Hello?

Yeah.

So it was just funny because he paused for like four or five seconds, and I was thinking, did he just realize flat Earth just when he made that little analogy on the fly.

That's pretty funny. Who's that guy that you're talking about?

So he's a pastor in Ligandeer Ministries out of Florida. It's it's a very I mean, just this one video alone is do Not Love the World's gotten over two million views. It's the guy who was who used to be in charge and arc Sproll, very famous minister. He passed in twenty seventeen, but there's other folks that come on and give very very powerful messages. But listening to him today when I was going in and he said that trying to catch water with a ball and then him gone, oh wait a second, I.

Mean, is he a flat earther or.

No, not at all, This is not at all. It's just one of those analogies. You know, we all make analogies on the fly, and you can tell that's what he did. But I think, uh, you know, that was from I think two years ago. So maybe he does listen to the podcast secretly, so.

He's probably heard something about it and didn't realize what he said. Went oops, yeah, because he's not a flat earther.

But yeah, yeah, you know the other thing that you had asked about me and flat earth was, you know, I'd been in construction for many years myself, and just the I used a level all the time, right when I was laying blocks or bricks on a corner, you have to use your level. And that's an air bubble. It's of water, and water just doesn't bend. It always finds its level and you know, sticking to a bottle.

It's like, I mean, there's so many instances whenever you talk to a globe believer and you say, well, how come I can't feel the motion, and they'll say, well, it's just like when you're in a car and once you're going, you can't feel the motion, and then when you say, but when that car turns, you do feel it. And a spinning ball has a constant change of direction, and so a centrifical force is a constant change in

Yep.

Yeah, well Tesla's warned us of that stuff. How you know, science had turned from doing experiments to math, and that's what they just reverse engineered the math to make it fit their their needs. And they do change right. It used to be when you googled it it. You know many years ago said that we were moving what sixty six thousand, six hundred miles an hour? Now they say either sixty seven thousand, some even say seventy thousand now.

Yeah, trying to change that number so that didn't look so so obvious.

Yeah, which, you know, this conversation will be a couple weeks old by the time it hits. But you know, everybody's all aware of the eighty six forty seven thing with what's his name, Komy? Yeah, yeah, And it turns out the day he said that it was actually eight thousand, six hundred and forty seven days since nine to eleven happened.

Yep.

That's such a weird. I mean, there are so many weird good at the quarter in the coincidence.

Dark, Yeah, they're two in there.

There are so many coincidences, like good gosh, at what point can just the average person see that. But who knows that information? You know, there's so many, so many you know, Anon's you know, they have their purpose.

I don't know.

To me, I know you're probably like me, thought something about Q for a minute, You're like, Okay, it's just kind of silly. Now, But whoever the heck was typing that stuff was somebody that understands the inner workings and.

The people in the government.

Yeah, I don't know if they're predicting something, but I think they they were to get people to start looking at stuff. Now they're trying to predict and everybody looks back, Oh, look at this five year delta plus two day. It's like, come on, really, and all the da matra that's it needs to be a little more.

Obvious than that. But I don't know, Q.

That's a little wishful thinking that that's something true. And I'm holding on that maybe Trunk is a decent guy and he's not controlled by Israel. A lot of weird things's happening with the Israel right going on right now today as a matter of fact, So you know, it's a whole lot of wait and see from my perspective.

Yeah, yeah, I think he's distant, distancing himself just enough while they do the dirty deeds that they're doing, and then he'll wants everything because we accept things and we get over things and we move on to the next thing, and when that happens, he'll he'll go back to them.

Probably what literally just said today, we're going to occupy Alagazo with troops. Yep, and Trunk responds, we're going to withdraw all military you know, if y'all do that, And it sounds like a cat and game a little you know, here's this for you, little fodder here and anyway we'll see.

Yeah, that's all we can do is wait and see exactly.

Well, we're coming up on our time, so if there was anything else that you wanted to mention or jump into before we say goodbye, and that would be a great time.

And I think I'm I think I'm good. I'll just put up three bathouses today. It's weird is the mosquitoes have been absolutely horrible this year, and I don't want to spray for mosquitoes. I'm gonna kill bees and I'm fixing to buy some bees like you're doing. And uh so, yeah, I'll just put up three bathouses. Uh well, I got the posts up twenty feet and hopefully they can start helping take care of that. The meat chicken thing. How can so do y'all kill your chickens? Because I just can't do that.

So we live in an homish community. And for four dollars a chicken, he processes them and puts them in freeze dry freeze, you know, freeze dryer bags ready to go. However, I want it whole chicken, eight piece of chicken he cuts, you know, he he you know, does away with them and processes them, and I get them. I pick him up the next day in bags all ready to go in the frigerator.

You take the live chicken to him and he takes care of all that.

Yes, sir, four dollars is chicken.

Cool.

I gotta I gotta find somebody around here that does that, because I got I'm like you, I don't remember how much I've got, like five acres, and I need to be ready just in case, you know, the proverbial.

Hits the fan. Yeah, so but cool.

It's really cool talking with you man likewise for like a year and a half seems like I know you and looking forward to seeing what you have next on any of your podcasts.

Well, I appreciate you taking the time out and having the conversation, and it was really good to actually hear someone who you know. Obviously I talked to Jeremy before, but get to get a boots on the ground, because you're not the only person who said, again, what was being reported and obviously duh, you know what was being reported with something completely different. But I'm very thankful that you didn't go in there because your life may have

You're welcoming by the way. You had the coolest closing song ever.

Yeah, podcast, Yeah, we get that a lot. I sent it out all the time. And that poor guy he sold his rights to Epidemic Sound, which we have our subscription to, and he even had, I think, take down one of his videos because they own the rights to it. And if people keep putting it up on YouTube and you look in the comments, it says the Flat Earth Files brought me. You brought me to your song perfect pretty cool Man.

Well cool.

It was a pleasure talking to you, brother, and God bless and I'll be listening for your next podcast.

I appreciate that, Bobby, and to all the listeners, thank you all for your continued support. And we're probably for July and August go down to one podcast a week. As people vacation in the podcast world. I've been in it for many years, the numbers go down a little bit, so we'll slow down to once a week, and then we'll jump back labor day back up to two a week. So again, please still send those emails. We'll get you on the schedule for Bobby. I'm George, God bless you all.

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