Episode 177: Flat Earth Conversation with Darren

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our church does. Is we we have a few families that open up their houses and uh, we we would do we up until this circulation, we we did that in our house. But our fellowship has actually grown so big that our house is literally too small now, so we uh, we actually had to draw by and just go to the next rotation because we we wouldn't be

able to set it up. The unique thing is is uh when it comes to flat earth, and I'll just share it is h. I hadn't ever heard of the phrase a flat earther until a couple of years ago, and I think that's I think that was looking back, was the first time that I actually emailed you, George.

let's just say it, raised in a happy household. And then you so you start asking, You start being self taught. You know, well, how come their life is like this when our life is like this? So right off the bat, you learn how to question certain things that don't really make sense. And I think That's what's got me to the point now of just if it doesn't make sense, I have to question it.

summer right side, but some are upside down. And I remember looking at that when I was in grade school, going, so if we if I'm up here, because it always showed America up and I was like, you know, if I'm up here and I stand on my head, they say that because of gravity, all the blood will rush to my head. But the people on the bottom, let's

say Australia or South America. But if they do the same thing, which they're already technically upside down, if they do the same thing, gravity will cause the blood to rush to their head. And I remember when I was in grade school thinking, well, how is that even possible? You know, if gravity is just the force of pulling something down, then that you know, And then I started thinking about it just a few weeks ago. I was like, well, then gravity is a whole lot more magnificent than what

than just pulling something down. It's actually pulling something to the quote unquote global core because but then it's also magical because it actually knows if you're standing on your feet or if you're standing on your hands, because if we're standing on our feet, gravity doesn't cause the blood to rush to our feet, but as soon as we turn over, it rushes to our head.

this guy was he he didn't believe. And and so some people were around him and and was asking him why he didn't believe, and he said something about, you know, well, the Bible's too old, it's written by people that we didn't know. And I just you know, and I wasn't there to see it, and this and that, and and I ended up sitting down by him, and I said, uh. I looked at him. I said, is that literally how

you believe? And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that there's no way that I can literally verify all the stuff that is written in the Bible because it's just so old and the supposed authors just there's no way that I can verify what they say they saw. And I looked at him and I looked around like I was suspicious, and I leaned over and I go, I appreciate you saying that, and he goes really really and I was like, yeah, I said, because I never thought

George Washington was the first president. And he just looked at me and he goes, oh, well, George Washington was the first president. And I was like, I was like, no, no, no, no, because the only way that we have proof of that is a book that is just so old that I can't verify the authors of it, and I don't know the authors of it. And other than that, you know, I mean, it's just happened so supposedly so long ago.

There's no way that I can verify it. So because of what you said, it validates the fact that there's no proof that George Washington was the first president. And he like was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, I was like, dude, don't worry about it. I'm on your side. I'm on your side because if one rule applies one way, it has to apply the other. And if we can use that rule to apply to an old book like the Bible, we can use it to apply to an old book like a history book.

And he just looked at me and he was just speechless. I was like, I was like, dude, that's how it is. And I said, but I appreciate you because now I'm going to go tell my family that George Washington wasn't the first president. He's like, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Maybe maybe we need to rethink this. Then that's exactly what we need to do, is rethink this.

But you believe in you know, all the other historical tales from man's side, but not God's side. So maybe you gave him something to chew on, and maybe he had hard time sleeping that night with that running through his head.

seventy eight. And if you do just a little bit of research about the people behind this, once again it comes off as educational, but there is a deeper meaning and possibly something a little more nefarious to it than just education. Now, not every single one, right, I'm just a bill and all these other things, but the they did touch on space and those type of things in the globe more than once, for sure.

And I remember when I was a kid, you know, probably before seventy eight, asking what that was, and I was told by the adults, I'm assuming a teacher maybe that uh, that was the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. And I remember thinking then, well, the the satellite that they said that they had sent out, which was way before the the the Moon landing. I remember thinking, well, it it hasn't even made it past any of the planets, so,

you know. And then I found an encyclopedia that had a picture of what they say the Milky Way Galaxy look like. I'm like, but none of them, there's no, no, there's nothing from Earth that has actually made it that far out to see the spiral arms formation. And I remember thinking, well, how do they even know if nothing is out there to take a picture, and you know, so I started questioning them. But fast forward to uh, it was pre COVID, and I was because I'm a

I'm a pro wrestling fan. The down the downside is, uh, right now, I have no way to watch wrestling, and I have to admit and it's a fleshy side of me. Excuse me. Uh it bothers me that I don't have a way to watch it. But anyway, so, uh, I was listening to the Chris Jericho podcast and and he would have interviews on their wrestlers and stuff and and uh and then all of a sudden he had David Weiss and uh, and I was like, I don't even

know who that guy is. And and so then I started listening to him and he started bringing up all these things that you know, kind of made sense and and then uh uh and I listened to I actually think I went back and listened to it a couple of times and I was like, I was like, oh yeah, So that kind of rekindled the whole question everything. And the unique thing is, is is it where I used

to work? I would Uh, I was walking through the truck shop one time where the mechanics were and and uh, and you know, and I would just walk through, not to really stop and talk or anything, which I did quite often anyway, but I would walk through to say distance of having to walk around. And Uh. There's this one guy that came up and he was always hitting me up about stuff and and and he goes. He looked at me, like the day after I listened to that podcast and he was he goes, so, what's going on?

What's new and Darren's life? And I looked at him and I said, well, I'm pondering if we actually live on a spinning globe or if we're on a flat earth. And he started laughing and he sat there and he was like, He's like, why would we be on a flat earth? And I was like, I don't know. Do you see any curves around and he just he was like, well, well know, because there's hills around here, there's no way. And I was like, yeah, but if we got high enough, do you think we'd see curves? And he was like

he was like, well, well, well wouldn't we. And I was like, I was like, I really don't know. I said, uh, but things add up to where I said, if we stood on the hill and we looked, you know, towards the horizon. Should we even be able to see what we see? I said, because of the curve of the earth, it should actually be going down. And because where we are, where we live is like there's mountains everywhere, and uh, and the more I thought about it, the mountains shouldn't

even be straight up and down. They should be literally leaning one way or another. Because of the curve, I shouldn't be able to see the top. You know, it's like, let's say a ninety degree angle, it would be more of a leaning. I don't know the degree, but it would be leaning like forty five degrees the other way if it was on the curve. And so every day I would walk through there and he would he would look at me and go, dude, you got you got

me thinking? You got me thinking. And I'm like, I'm like, man's that's what friends do is I need you to think and you need to make me think. And so it was just one thing after another. But it all started with that podcast.

point I had personally talked to Dave. I talked to him I think five years ago in my other podcast for the first time, and he is really blessed with being able to answer every question. He's someone who is driven on one particular subject that is extremely knowledgeable. And for those who don't know now, he's actually doing these Zoom meetings with junior high and high school classes now, so he is actually at the forefront for waking people up. And I've kind of I haven't. I'm so busy with

everything else. I haven't been keeping up with this podcast. But he's at least like your friend, he's to the point where going from I guess atheists who at least he acknowledges the creator as well, which you know once you come to the fact that yep, that you know we don't live on a globe, and you know, you know the firmament and everything else, you realize that there has to be a creator. And you know, through all the emails, this has made a very big impact on people's lives.

would be the which would be God. I know, now, if if I could just speak it up, because I know that there are some people that uh and just a few that have been on the podcast that they're consumed with flat earth and uh and to me, it's the and not that it in a hole is is bad. But if you're consumed with it, then then the the the flat earth model could be be an idol and we need to I get the whole we need to

get all the facts about it. But then but if you start idolizing it, then you you're losing the part where Jesus is the main part of your life. And I mean, and I just had to throw that out there because and I forget, just a few weeks ago, I was listening to one of the episodes and there was a person they were just boom boom, boom boom, you know, and and I'm like, you know, the Bible warns us about having idols, and uh and you know, like there, I've met people that their kids are their idols.

They will do anything and everything for their kids. And there's grandparents that will do anything and everything for their grandkids. Well there, it turns their the kids and the grandkids into idols. And you know, and with that you as important as I feel that finding the truth. You know, if you spend every waking moment to prove the flat earth, and all of a sudden it becomes your idol and you start slipping away, you know, from from the importance

of Jesus being who we need to serve. If that makes sense.

live on a flat plane. We have hills, we have you know, oceans that are eight thousand feet deep, et cetera. But scientism as the word I guess that the Truth community has chosen is dangerous as well. But you're one hundred percent correct. All those things fall under Uh, you know, Jesus has to be number one then everything else, and it's important in the message. And i'd like to think that most of our episodes, most people come on are uh, followers of Christ for the most part, which is great.

And that is something that you know, as we have these discussions. That is also you know, Satan's biggest conspiracy is making people think that God doesn't exist.

you know, you're just not supposed to consume it. And uh And as soon as soon as that little bit of doubt gets there, or uh another way to believe, then all of a sudden, then the enemy has has got that little bit of thorn right there, ready to start growing a briar.

devil did with the the the COVID and the vaccine is is he made it seem like, well, here's the answer, and in fact it was it was pushed so much that it was u this is going to be the answer for everything, and so much that you're going to find out the people that you shouldn't like, which you know, as far as medicine go, that you know, I don't remember any time in the past before COVID where if somebody said, well I'm gonna wait to vaccinate, where the

world would just blow up or your neighbor would just have a hissy fit, you know, usually be like, well come on, you you know better, you know. And but now, like like with me, the when when it hit, I remember, I was in the break room where I used to work. I worked for a huge company for twenty six years. And uh and I remember when COVID hit, and I was like, I remember telling people, well, we need we probably need to watch this because if it goes any further,

something's going to happen. And so fast forward of course, you know, it gets this global thing going. And and then but when the vaccination hit, I remember, well I was off the fast, you know, and like like we were chatting before that, you pushed record. You said something about how in the army, you know, you got these moments where you get severely vaccinated before you go on deployment. And uh and I remember in my life I had I had joined the army. Unfortunately I ran too slow,

so I didn't make it out of basic training. I got five extra tries and I just I could never run fast enough. I was able well when I got there, I couldn't even do the push ups or the sit ups enough. But I got to where I passed them. But I just couldn't run fast enough. But I went through everything until the very last days. And there was a time where they let us know, hey, you're going to get vaccinated. And back then I was still, you know, very much pro medicine, you know, I was. I think

I was eighteen nineteen. I didn't as far as that goes, you know, didn't know any better. And but I remember in one day I got I think I got twelve, twelve shots.

enough that I manned up to get the vaccinations. And but anyway, so fast forward, all of a sudden they got this rush vaccination out and uh and so then it starts clicking down because I had until November November first, I think of twenty one to get fully vaccinated or

face the consequences. I'll just put it that way. And so I get you know, it's goot times clicking And if I could just share the rest of my story about it and they I actually have Like there there was a couple of guys that were like standing their ground too. Man this is this is garbage. You know, We're not going to put up with this. And they don't have any legal rights. And there was there were some people in management that were saying the same thing

and just oh my goodness. And now now we're like, October, I got, I got thirty one days to get fully vaccinated. And I remember I would actually have people that claim to be friends walk up to me and just plead with me, man, you got you got to get the shots. And I'm like, I'm like why, and they're like, dude, I don't want you to die. And I'm like, did you just tell me that I would die if I don't get the shots? And they're like, man, it's so important.

You got you, you know. And and one guy he used to work I think in the old rigs and he started working where I work and he uh, and he's like, man, I didn't sign up for this. I didn't give up that really good job just to come here to be by family, to have to put up with this bully mentality of have forced me to do medical And I was like, I'm with you. I'm with you. I've been here twenty six and I didn't sign up

for this twenty six years ago. And he's like, yeah, he said, I've already got calls back and and I'm waiting. As soon as the first phone call, I'm gone. And this was like the last day of our work week. So fast forward the next week at the beginning and uh, and he's walking in and he's you could tell he sounds under the weather. And I looked at I said, dude, you you're getting sick. And he goes he goes, well, it's from that shot. And I was like, what shot. He goes, well,

I went and got vaccinated. I was like, three days ago, you were like against it, just solidly. You were ready to go back to the oil fields. And he was like, he's like yeah, but and he and all of a sudden you could see something changed in him. And I noticed that with everybody else that had had recently taken the shot, they went from like one personality to another personality.

you know, like forget this and just really aggressive. I'm taking a stand and you know they ain't the boss of me too, buddy, come on, and I'm like that. It just floored me, you know, And but it uh with that, you know, it just there was one guy and this this is where you know, you could kind of see a little bit of deception and a bothered me was he was also taking a stand the whole time. For months and months and months, he was taking a stand against it. You know, they can't make you, they

can't force you. It's not right. And then right when it came down to where they were like, dude, you got two weeks, he literally looked at me and said, oh I got vaccinated back in March. I was like, what's all this garbage you were talking about about how they can't force it on you. Well, I agree with that they can't, and we need to take a stand. Well you need to and I'm like, but the whole time you've been vaccinated, and you're saying, you go, oh yeah,

yeah yeah. And I was like, man, that kind of hypocritical.

my choices. If I could quit, or I could show up the next work day after the deadline, and if I still wasn't bullye vaccinated, they would ask me to lead the premises I'd be escorted. Or I could take a leave of absence. And I know every company's leave of absence policy is a little bit different, but with this a leave of absence, I wouldn't be allowed to work anywhere. I mean, I've been there twenty six years. I was in a lead position the last five and

I just I knew how things work. Because I'd seen enough people on a leave of absence due to like a broken leg, or they'd be in a car wreck, you know, and and just or even just family problems. And one person in particular, they found out that he during the leave of absence, he'd got another job somewhere else, and they they they literally called him up and they said, this violates the loa. So you know, I hope you're

established there because you can no longer come back. And I'm like, unfortunately, I have to agree with that because you agreed to the rules right l away. So then they come to me and they're like, so, are you're going to take the loa? And I was like, well, the problem is is if I take the loa, then you're literally you're going to make me lose my cars, You're going to make me lose my house. You're gonna,

you know, I'll be homeless. And they're like, no, you won't, and I'm like, well, yeah, I said, because by LA I cannot work anywhere else.

just don't know what's going to happen. And so and I literally thought that it would be in the same field that I had been working for, you know, thirty years, twenty six at one play the last place. And and so my son reaches out to him and he goes, hey, have you thought about asking so and so? And I was like, so and so is a carpenter. And trust me, nobody wants to pay me to build anything I am not. I'm not a fabricator. I'm a I'm not a carpenter.

I'm not a mechanic. Trust me, no, no, no, he does something different and I was like really, so uh fast forward. I get a desk job and working, you know, doing and everything is over the computer and I'm like, which, I'm not a computer person either. And so literally there were times where I was in behind my desk just you know, praying, crying literally, Lord, why am I here?

I have no idea what I'm doing? And uh. And then I come home and I told my wife about my emotional breakdown and and she looked at me and she goes, what it's because God answered my prayer? And I was like, what are you talking about? She was for thirty years you worked at the in that same type of plant, and you you were always outside if it was if it was thunderstorming, you had to work outside in the thunderstorm. If it was if it was snowfall, if it was sleeping, if it was hailing. Your job

was always out there in the weather, she said. And after thirty years and then you finally get you know, treated the way you were treated, no loyalty, no respect. And she said, I just my prayer was, Lord, he spent thirty years out in the weather, can you just put him somewhere it's climate controlled. And so I'm behind a desk. I don't have to walk in the rain except from my car to the front door. If it's

too hot, I turned the ac up. If it's too cold, I turned the heater up, you know, and it it was such a blessing because you know, the alternative was to get the shot, and you know, and the literally because of all that has that's what kind of fired it up, you know. After listening to that Chris Jericho podcast, was I was sick and most of my life, I would I was suffered from chronic bronchidas. So I knew what was coming, and uh, and I didn't trust doctors.

I still don't trust doctors. And and I remember getting sick and I looked at my wife. I said, I'm gonna have to call in issues. You know what's going to happen. And I was like, yep, they're gonna want me to test and blah blah blah. And I said, but first I got to see if I can get some medicine. I got to get over this. And and there was there's an app. It's called Doctor on Demand. It's one of the video medical things. I don't know if you've heard of it or not.

And I was like, I am, I'm very sick, and just I'm miserable, and and so she was, will tell me everything. So I poured out, you know, the congestion, the coughing, just the sore throat and just man and she and just instantly she was you got COVID. I was like, you can tell that by a video call. And she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you got COVID. And I was like so we we almost argued for like ten minutes, and then finally I was like, listen, let's stop, let's stop this. What are we going to do to

help me? Because I feel miserable? And she goes, well, if you think I'm going to give you antabiotics, then you you're thinking the wrong thing because you have a virus. COVID is a virus, and I cannot give you antabotics for a virus because that be medical malpractice.

treat whatever it was that was wrong with me? And then afterwards, you know, like you had shared before on several podcasts where you know certain things, go to Google first and see what Google has to say about it. So I got on Google and I said, what's the number one treatment for COVID nineteen antibiotics? And I was like, Google says that she should have gave me antibotics if it was COVID nineteen, And she said, it's medical malpractice.

So fast forward, you know, because of that diagnosis, I tell my HR lady and she goes, well, you're gonna have to get tested. Oh boy. So I had that seven foot long Q tip shoved up my notes. Oh my goodness, and uh and it tested positive, which is weird because before before that and this is key, I think is, I said, uh, I looked at I. I looked at the lady that was doing the test, and I said, I have a question. She goes, what's that?

I said, so on the news they had this gigantic nationwide recall of the PCR tests that were defective because they were giving eighty percent false positives. And she goes, yep, yep, that's correct. I remember that. And I said, uh, the PCR test that you have are those those tests or the replacements? And she goes, no, they're the ones that are recalled. And I was like, so, why am I going to take a test of something that we know can be eighty percent incorrect? And she goes, because it's

all we have. And I was like, does that even make sense? You know, that'd be like going into a store and you know, and eighty percent of the food is rotten, but we're going to eat the food anyway, because it's food we wouldn't do. And she said, she goes, she goes, whats all we have? And so I went ahead and swabbed and I tested positive. And the HR lady said, well, you got to miswork for two weeks now. Granted I got paid for it, but but that two weeks it was me and my bedroom and my laptop.

And in that two weeks is when I I think I revisited that Chris Jericho podcast. I started looking at David Weis's videos. I started, and with that, I think, is when I stumbled across, because I think on Spotify it gives you suggestions. So there I am looking at a pro wrestling podcast, and then the suggestion, the number one suggestion was flat Earth Files, and I was like, how does flat Earth files have anything to do with

Chris Jericho. I mean, and I understand the topic was flat Earth because of David Weiss, but I'm like, because literally it was like that was the number one choice. And then after that it was all these other pro wrestling podcasts, and I was like, that doesn't make any sense, so we're going to look into this. And but with that, I started looking into their things, like so here we

are twenty twenty one. COVID has taken over the world, and at no other time in history has every other government agency decided to agree to do the mirror exact same protocol globally, if you can use that term, right and then and then, but the vaccines and this is what killed me? Was the vaccines for it was made in twenty fifteen.

see some of these vaccines as making people. I choose to use the word docile because if you look at the exact terminology of docile, it's ready to accept control or instruction of I'm sorry, ready to accept control or instruction, being submissive, and that is really what they want. They want to eradicate the middle class. You go back and listen to the great truth seekers of the sixties and seventies, and eighties, whether it be Ralph Epperson or John Coleman,

William Guy Carr. Right, their whole goal is to eradicate the middle class. They want total serfdom. They want a one world currency, a one world government, and a one world religion that does not involve Jesus Christ. And you know, getting people, whether it's through COVID or a central bank digital coin, there's going to come a time and maybe even in our lifetimes, when they get us to be docile in these fifteen minute cities.

And COVID was certainly like yourself. You know, how many interviews have you heard on this podcast where people's awakening was through COVID.

me to be sitting here? You know? And then and of course, you know, with other things, you know, like with with your flat earth file popping up, you know, you know earlier you said something about how people just they just get aggressive when when you hear stuff like that, and and then you know, and it's the opposite of the people that got the COVID vaccinations, you know, because uh, they were one way beforehand, and then all of a sudden, it's like a change in personality, you know, like with

the uh I'll touch on that later, there was. But the people that get aggressive when you just bring up the the flat earth stuff, you know, because I'll be honest with you, I don't know a lot of people that around here that are flat earthers. My family is not,

you know. And that's that's one thing that I I, you know, pray about from time to time, is you know the stuff where you were talking about how marriages have dissolved because of it, and uh, I do use it because of just the type of person I am. I do use it when I'm messing with my kids. If something comes up about the world or the globe or the planet or gravity, I will just give them this look, especially my daughter, because she's got such a huge similar type of humor as me, which is very weird.

But she she'll look at me and she'll be like, no, no, we're not doing that. I got friends coming over, and I'm I'm down, calm down. I just did that to get at you. And if if, if, like with my wife, if I start going off on a tangent, she'll she'll just very quietly and politely just look at me and go, I see the curve. That's my cue that I've been on this rant for way too long. Let's get talking about roast b for mowing the grass or call the Yeah.

So I mean I don't. Uh, you know, I've noticed on the last I forget how long you started bringing up the sixth silver bullet. And I'll be honest with you, I don't really have any because, uh, I mean, if somebody brings up a conversation, then I have. I have things that I like to say, you know. Like the big thing that got me was one of the first documentaries I watched, I think was on Rumble. I think it's called Concave. I think that's what it's called. But uh,

and they literally it's about them being too far. They did laser tests and photograph tests, and it just I was like, what in the world, you know, and they would they would tell you on that documentary, you know, if the curve was actually there, laser's only going a straight line, photography only goes in a straight line, and therefore, you know it, you shouldn't be seeing what you're seeing, and the laser shouldn't be able to be received on the other end, you know, X amount of feet away

or miles away. And I'm like, wow, that was I liked it, you know, And it was weird because I stumbled across something where the guy was a flat earther and he was like, he was like, that's one of the worst documentaries ever. And I'm like, how can it be? I mean, production wise, maybe it could have been better, But if they literally run tests to prove a flat earth, how can it be one of the worst ones? You know, it's not like that what Netflix did, which I haven't watched.

I haven't been able to find that thing that Netflix did with Mark Sargent and that that lady can't remember her name. But I was like, you know, if you manipulate it, then yeah, it's probably one of the worst ones. But I mean, if the whole premise of the documentary was to prove flat earth, and in the documentary you prove prove flat earth seems like a success.

went to the moon. And when I met when I met her her mom and dad, it was they were in their eighties and I was like, I was like, what do you mean and she was yep, she said, Mama said we didn't go because if we would have went, then how come we haven't been back? And then that kind of that kind of struck a chord with me.

I was like, so from nineteen ninety on, I was I was thinking about it, you know, you know, but it wasn't until I started listening to your podcast that it kind of solidified the fact that man, you know that and that that goofy interview with the NASA director where he said basically said, yeah, we destroyed all of it, all the.

deceptions right there. All we have to do is realize that, for the most part, we are being lied to.

did we spend billions of dollars? And then I show my friends and families pictures of the Lunar Lander, that the four wheeled vehicle that's got like two lawn chairs and duct tape, and it was like, I forget how

much money that thing costs. I'm like, you have to at some point stop believing everything that you were told, even though their name may have a PhD at the end, and start believing your eyes and your ears and your smell and your taste for what it is, because you know, especially if you trust in the Bible, right, the Bible tells us that the world we live in is full of deception, and put your faith in God, not man. And we just saw that this week. People got hyped up again. It's twenty twenty four.

And uh, because my whole, my whole thing about the lunar landing and landing on the Moon or going into space is literally literally how do they know, you know, Let's let's say it's all true. Let's say that they did go to the mood. Let's say there is outer space. Let's say there is a globe. How do they know once you get past the certain level of atmosphere that it is a vacuum out there? What kind of tests

were they able to run? Because I don't know of any type of radiometric device that they can use to just point it up in the sky and then sit there and go, oh, yeah, see it's a vacuum, you know, because the reading says it's a vacuum. And and just from what talking to my buddies that were that are mechanics. You know, when you go up to uh whereas Pike's Peak, you know where the oxygen level is.

not enough to breathe. But that jeep that they had up there didn't have an oxygen tank to feed the engine.

is half you know what I mean? Yep, absolutely all kinds of questions, you know, because if gravity and I don't know, I can't remember the exact poundage, but let's say gravity, let's say it has one hundred pounds per square inch pull. Well, how how does the gravity on the Moon not have the same pull or gravity on

Jupiter or whatever? You know, how if gravity is one hundred percent right, then wouldn't gravity be gravity wherever it's at it would always be one hundred pounds per square inch pull If that's what it is which I'm you know, like I said, I don't remember what they claim, So it doesn't make sense that they would actually know that. Well, on the Moon it would be half gravity or a quarter gravity. So therefore we've got to make these type

of changes in adjustments. And once you start asking all those questions and just look at it, then everything points to the fag wall. There's no way that they could have known because six months before they actually went, they still couldn't even fly that rocket in a straight line. Right.

an object. So they claim that is the difference, that's why there's less gravitational pull on the Moon versus the Earth.

And then all of a sudden, you know, fast forward, there they are, they got these astronauts on there and they're blasting them directly at the Moon. And I'm like, I'm like, oh my goodness. So six months before that they couldn't even drive it like a car. But yet now they've practiced enough to where they can you know, use the aeronautical things to actually get it all the way to the moon and back. And I was like, that is so unbelievable.

it was actually the spacecraft or a simulator. And they were having communication problems just between like the rocket that was outside and the headquarters which was you know, two hundred yards away, and he saying, we can't even communicate to the building next to us. How were we supposed to communicate, you know, to the moon? And he hung a lemon and then five days later, you know, he and the two other gentlemen burned up in that accident.

not to mention what I think it was. I think it was you that mentioned in a few times that they had the technology less than the Atari twenty six hundred.

they announce it, and then everybody forgets about it. But they do have the AI and the technology and the Hollywood green screens to pull off if they wanted to, they kick get people to believe, because look what Hollywood has done, Like you know, they could certainly create the illusion that they're landing on Mars, and but it's just not possible. You know, you read Genesis and it's very clear how you know we are created?

it's difficult. Well, it seems like every time I go back, and you know, part of my story was I was I was trying to find I was trying to learn the Bible and uh, you know which my my battle with Christianity and the Bible is just we went to a church a long time ago and uh and they the how do I put this? They they the Bible lets us know that as as disciples of Christ, we

are to go for making more disciples. Yep, and uh and the you know a lot of churches say that, but this one church that we went to, it was just I was, I was new into Christianity. I was started at Genesis one one and started reading and then they get to parts that I didn't understand, and it, you know, just and basically the answer I always got was, what you got to read the whole Bible. Okay, well I'm I'm in chapter three of Genesis and I'm stuck, and well, you got to read the whole Bible. Well,

that's not discipling. And so I literally got to a certain point where I just wanted to live my own life again and about ruined my family. Through the grace of God, we're all back together and just uh. But with that, it seemed like every time I had questions and I would pray about it, God would be like, we'll go back to Genesis one, and I'd make it a certain way, and then he'd be like, we'll go back to Genesis one. Now I need you to write it.

And so I'd started writing, and I wrote a few chapters. Then he's like, He's like, now go back to Genesis one. It just kept over and over and over and I could never figure out why and uh. And finally I was like, Lord, I need somebody to be with me

physically to take me through this and uh. And it was funny because he said her and he goes, well, you gotta, you gotta, you know, go to Matt, which I knew that I got a friend named Matt excellent Bibles, uh uh teacher, and but that wasn't the mat And I ended up having listening to the radio and there was a guy that was teaching stuff on on you know,

just verse by verse in the Bible. Now granted he's I don't think he's a he's probably not a flat earther, but I'm that all goes back to, you know, there's so much more in the Bible that we need to see as a picture of salvation and the love of Christ, you know, that we need to focus not always on flat earth. But so I was like, I was like,

oh my goodness. So I literally started listening to a lot of his stuff and just literally the picture of salvation and who Jesus was, you know, because there's a there's a part in I think it's a Matthew where Jesus is talking to Nicodemus and Nicodemus is like, what do you mean it's born again? Stuff? And I'm paraphrasing, am I as a grown man supposed to go back into my mother's womb? What in the world. And then Jesus is like, aren't you like the teacher of teachers?

How is it that you don't know? And so that lets me know that, you know, Nicodemus had to have known about being born again from the Old Testament and a lot of people. That's like a new revelation to him. So you start at Genesis one one and you start moving through the Old Testament. There's so much there about

being born again. You just got to see the picture of it, because it's not it's not described as the born again experience, which is a you know, a catchphrase that we throw around lightly in the Christian world today is you got to be born again. You got to be born again. Well it's cool to say that, but you need to understand you have to be born again. And when you see the pictures of it, you know.

And and then I think that's why God kept telling me go back to Genesis one, you know, go back to Genesis one until you can grab hold of the information that I need to tell you. And uh, and I just wish I had the same, you know, I could I could just sit down and just start writing and I got one chapter, but I need to I need to I need the commitment like you have for the podcast, where I could sit there and get all the way through the Genesis, because I already got a title.

I get people in our fellowship when I start saying, let's turn to when I preach, I go, let's turn to Genesis whatever, and they start, oh, there, we go back to Genesis. It's well to me.

temperature around it, you know. And when you take all those things into consideration, that book helps you realize that you know, this matrix that they have built, that full of lies, that makes you say, hey, this is how you have to live, you know, which is to be honest, and you know we all dab in it. But it is a world of sin. Everything much of the things within entertainment and TV. Right, we just put it aside, well,

it's just entertainment. But at the same time, you know, this entertainment is morally molding the minds of a lot of the children. You've got to be more vigilant than ever, especially with the Internet and some of these video games and all of these other things that are available to children. You really have to put on the armor of God to fight off the evil in this world.

they could be. You know, the sun could be millions of miles away but still apply warmth to the earth, and then the the sun could be hundreds of thousands of miles away, but yet it's still light up the night sky and it just you know, and I couldn't find answers and then uh, I was listening to I Forget an earlier podcast that you did, and and you touched on their lights and they're hung in the firmament,

and and I was like, oh, my goodness happened. I'm studying Genesis repeatedly for like ten years, and and I've read that scripture over and over, and for some reason, you know, the whole uh public school system thing just kept going. Yeah, but that's that's just you know. And then but when you said it, and I wish I could remember to the guests that you had on that that really explained it, I was like, hold on. So I literally walked outside and I went, okay, now I'm

gonna quote George Hobbes. It's sitting right there. It's close that you can touch it. And uh. And that's one of the things that I went back to my wife and I told her. I was like, I was like, oh my goodness. And and I think it was a Saturday, and I pulled her outside and she was she was, what are we looking at? I was like the sun? And she goes, what about it? And I was like, doesn't it seem like it's close enough you can touch it and and she she just gave me this look,

and I'm like, I'm not even doing flat earth. I'm not doing flat earth. There are to me, it's two separate things. The sun is right there. Just look. And then fast forward I think to this past August. I think there was a something that was on fire and it put a lot of smoke in the air where we lived, and I happened to be outside and I I looked up and the smoke literally made the sun look red with a red ring around it, and you could see the crispness of the ring, and I went, oh,

my goodness. So I called a buddy of mine who he doesn't he doesn't believe in flat earth, and but uh I called him and I was like, I was like, you got a minute and he goes he goes yeah. And I said, dude, I said, are you out? Can you are you outside? And he goes yeah.

that's that's it. That is it right there, just so then you know, And I sent you that picture last week or two weeks ago, and.

You know, I didn't want to invade their privacy that way. But I was like, so I sent you the best one that I could take, and I was like, I was like, lord, it just literally you hung it right there, and we struggle with that, and I think I think part of the deception that Lucifer Satan has put into us is we in our flesh have to figure out the answer to everything, and where we don't. We need to, We need to rely on what God has already told us. You know that he hung him in the firmament. The

firmament is up there. They're there for a purpose, for seasons and signs, you know, and what you know, and then of course we distorted and and uh. But anyway, so I share that because I want to thank you, because that's that's something I literally learned from you, and the the guests that you had on the show was literally it is. It is just right there, yep.

can't reference anything. So but the big thing is is is I have to. I have to give honor and glory to Jesus Christ, our Savior. And this is whether whether you're a flat earther or a glober Jesus is the king of kings, the Lord of lords. He loves you regardless of where you think you're living. He'll meet you where you're at. You can you know a lot of people nowadays think that Jesus will meet you where you're at, and you're going to stay where you're at.

But the thing about Jesus to see he wants you to be where he's at and you may show up one way, but you're going to leave another way. And and I just I can't get over how much He loves us and it's loyal to us, and how we need to be a reflection of that to where we can show just as much love and loyalty as Christ has shown us so much so that you know, he died on the cross, and you know, Scripture lets us know that we we need to die to the flesh daily and and that's a reflection of who Christ is

in us. And uh, that's the biggest thing that I can say. And you know, if anybody, and I'll just throw this out there, you can share my my email if anybody has any questions. I'm not going to say that I have the answers, but I'll definitely pray about it and I'll dig in to see if I can help you get the answers in Scripture, mainly because I just I just somebody was there praying and helping me

when I didn't deserve it. And I want to be that person for the next that thinks that there's no answer to what they need.

and not God. But the further way you get from the mainstream media and things of that nature, the more things become clear and just as clear as the picture that you emailed me with the rays coming through the clouds right that it's all crystal clear, and you surmised everything perfectly with you know, at the end of the day, it's all about Jesus Christ and his love for us. So, Darren, thank you so much for joining us on this beautiful

Saturday afternoon. I can't thank you enough for sharing your story and again to the listeners, I'll have Darren's email address as well as notes and little videos for everything we've talked about during this last ninety minutes. So Darren, thank you again for your time. Sir, I greatly appreciate it.

I was like, I was like, you know something sometime through this, I'm gonna have to say, you know, Greg, But I never couldn't go without saying it.

We'll see you next Sunday night for another edition of The Flat Earth Files. Keep your head want to swivel, and until we meet again, my friends, we will see it.