The following presentation is del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I hope this finds you well. I hope everybody's having a great week. As we recorded Saturday evening, March sixteenth, twenty twenty four, a beautiful day here in Dover, Delaware. I think it was close to seventy degrees.
We got a lot of work done here around the homestead. Couple quick housekeeping notes before we bring our guests on Jason the website the flat earthfiles dot com. Again, it is the flat earthfiles dot com. Check out our forums. Leave your questions in the forum for people to opine and say hello in the chat room. Questions, comments, concerns you'd like to join the podcast, Like Jason is this evening, It's very easy. You send me
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and we're working very diligently to do that. I think Jay, the first time that we spoke was December second of twenty twenty three, and I'm glad to have you on, sir. How are you great? George? Absolutely awesome. It's wonderful to have it again. I hope you had as good as a day as we did. Please take a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience. Well, well before my introduction, I'm gonna say
a few more things. Sure. The first thing is is that you're always in the podcast about it's a lot of pressure on me right now because you were always in the podcast about how you always learn something from somebody. So I'm hoping I don't break your streak. That's what I'm really worried about. The streak's at one hundred and fifty one right now. No pressure, Jason, Oh my gosh. Okay, And well let's see where should I start with? I live. I live in a place where I feel bad for
you, George, I really do. I feel bad for all the listeners out there. In some places, you know, you might have beautiful scenery but if you were, if you were where I lived, you could in one day you could visit NASA Disney in Dinosaur World three. I'm sorry to rub that into all the listeners out there, but that is where I am. Okay, where should I start? I have no idea where to start, to be honest with you. I was born and raised in Michigan.
I now live in Central Florida. I kind of have been we'll go I'm nowhere going in the flat earth later, but I know I've pretty much been convinced. I know for sure that the Earth, well, I'll go into that too. I kind of go into the stationary earth more to begin with with people, to be honest with you, but probably eight years, I guess I've known for sure. I was in my garage and my wife doesn't think so. But I've never started cleaning the garage more than I have when
I found your podcast. So I'm going to get my garage clean your podcast. I'm glad to help both of those. And I think, by the way, if I can, can I mention the Alex Jones thing real quick? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So just for folks, you know, I've been very adamant about I'm very careful about saying that this guy is a
shill, that person is controlled. But the one person I'm not shy about saying the one person is Alex Jones and probably Joe Rogan too, because never know, yeah, have I ever seen anybody flip on the moon landing? But for sure, right, for sure, especially after an eighty million dollar contract. Absolutely yeah. If you study Alex Jones in twenty thirteen, and
this isn't even the comedian died and turned to Alex Jones. This is just straight up evidence that in twenty thirteen, Alex Jones hired a Stratford agent to become his producer. And Stratford is the largest Israeli intelligence company in the United States. And that is just the biggest red flag. And then when he was involved in January and then had a billion dollar, uh you know,
fine levied against him about Sandy Hill, It's just ridiculous. There's no such thing as somebody getting a billion dollar fine because of words, no matter how hurtful they may come off to people. And uh, you know, then you realize, well January sixth that that SI up was to keep people away from DC. So maybe the other one is a Sia to keep to stop people from talking about that, because listen, for a while there, people were starting to see the videos and and like, there's one called the Truth
about Sandy hook It. Yeah, and and listen, a lot of people are still listening right now, and they're just you know, you can't say that because it sets people off. But the truth is the truth is the truth is the truth? You know, is it okay to talk about nine to eleven but you can't talk about that. It's there's the truth and everything else. So sorry, if I overextended my talking, George, you better overextend as much as you want. Go ahead, I'm in my garage.
I'm gonna listen to the fact That for the first time and into like when you pull up the Fact Hunter, like a little box pops up. I don't know how long ago it was, but it was Alice Jones, the senegay of Satan. It must have been one of your previous podcast right, it's from like a year ago? Yeah, Okay, well a year it
must have been more than a year ago. It could be, yeah, because you know why, because you say the word planet in that episode there you go prison planet, right, No, you say planet Okay, I don't know what happened, but the most on this planet, there's nothing worse. I'm like, oh, that must have been before I'm fifty four on how old are you? I know? I say what you were, I'm fifty four November first, what you okay? Awesome? And I can forget
that now. So and when you said those two things, all I wanted to know was your opinion on those three things. Guess what that is. That's a big fan at coincidence. That's it. There's a coin in the jar. Let's get that coin all the way right away. So I guess when I started realizing that you can't talk about certain things, I'm like, wait a minute, you know, all right, guess what I want to start really talking about it now, whether it's true, it's not or whatever.
Like we're talking right now, and there's there's really four possible. There's really four possible. There's really four different scenarios that we could be. I can be controlled that position, George Hobbs can be controlled opposition, We both can be controlled out position, or neither of us can be controlled up position. Yep. You know, when when you're talking about these kind of issues, am I supposed to be introducing myself. Still, yes, okay,
well let's see, let's start back. Let me think here. I was raised, born and raised in Michigan. I am actually I know I wasn't awake in two thousand and two because before I became a teacher, I took a DETAP vaccine. They said, you are not up to date on your
detail. I'm like, what is what is that? Because I'm like what, so I would think when I was thirty two years old, I went and got poked somewhere in like central Florida, and that might have been the last time, well the last time i'd been to the doctor before that, I was probably about sixteen, so I haven't been the doctor. And let's see thirty eight years. So for those of you worried about not going to doctor, don't worry about it anymore. You don't need to go. Don't
go. That's kind of my first initial advice to you. But I got the vaccine when I was thirty two, so I know I wasn't in a wake then, so that kind of started. I became a teacher and I started teaching. I'm Japanese in business. When I was thirty years all I lived in Japan four years. I'm sure we'll get into that a little bit and let's see what happened next. Well, actually I was saved by then,
because I got saved and I was thirty. In another side note, which is a big I know I was kind of raised Catholic, and I really want to be careful when I say a little bit because I want to
share this with a lot of people. Sure this this podcast, and I love one thing I really, I really I want to encourage listeners to do right now is always I'm going to from now on And I did today have a pad, have a pen and paper with you when you're listening to these podcasts, because you want to really get tribute to people when they make certain
points on your podcast. I know you have show notes to reference all the cool things that people say, but I really want I kind of want to say, hey, you know so and so from this and so and so for that made a good point. And someone said that they really want to share this these podcasts with all their friends and family, and I'm going to and to my wife's chagrin a little bit, because she said my wife kind of commented me like a couple couple of days ago, she goes, you're
going on that podcast. I said, yeah, She goes, how is this possible that I try to avoid controversy in my whole life and you're going on this podcast I to share with friends and family and all the kind So so I'm kind of I'm not too I don't really I don't really sent to my own self too much, but I kind of I'm kind of kind of, you know, careful a little bit of what I say. But I was raised Catholic, which you know, for whatever reason, I was raised
Catholic. I wanted to do a Catholic grade school, want to do a Catholic high school, a Catholic uh university for three years, and then went to a Michigan State University. Done and and then I went to Japan. So I went to Japan. I got out of there, I came back here. I came back to Michigan, worked a little bit, and then I wanted to go back to Japan because I feeled miserably. I was a terrible student. I was I guess what would you call me at that point,
someone who didn't really appreciate what they had. So I went back. I went back to Japan and I learned the language very well. I love one fluency in Japanese language, reading and writing. And I came back to the States started teaching, and you know this and that, this and that happened. I got saved when I was thirty. So I started going to Wesley and church and I, let's see, I went to a Bible study. This is a big, big, big moment in my life. You
know, I got saved. Right, you get saved, you kind of realized, Actually I didn't save yet. I'm not saved yet. Let's see. Third, I'm not saved yet. I go to Wesley Church and I go to this Bible study and I have it. There's a Jamaican gentleman there who's one of my dearest memories of my pre Christ's life. And he started talking about this Bible like it was real, and he started talking about the
stories like they were real. He started praying like it was real, and you know, the emotion and the passion that he had for it was real. And that's when I got saved. When I heard him talking about the word I got. And it's incredible, absolutely incredible. So it's really experiential. You know, when I heard. Delroy is his first name, and I've reached out to him a few times because I want to know his opinion on a couple other subjects. This is before I even got into more of
the truth community quote unquote. So anyway, So I'm thirty years old, thirty one years old, and I'm a Christian. So I started listening to like Christian radio. And so I'm listening to Christian radio and this crazy chiropractor Okay has a show on Christian radio and he is nuts man and I love it right because he's talking about health related issues. He's talking all the vaccines, he's talking about food, he's talking about faith. So I don't know.
Do you go to chiropractor George. No, I've tried it. It didn't help. I have a serious issue with my was it T three T four? For many many years, I got injections. They did the injections with whatever, and it burnt like crazy and I'd be laid up for a couple of days. But the chiropractors never really worked out for me with that particular section. But go ahead, please, So this chiropractice is crazy on
the radio, right, He's so charismatic and he's so great. No, no, not Joelsteins legitimately great, like yeah, Jim, not Joel Stein. He is like he is like truth bombing on on AM radio about vaccines. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. You know about the health, about the health, true health, you know, healing. So I go to his office. Right, I didn't know he had a brother, and his brother might be the most uncharismatic guy you ever met in your whole life. I'm
sitting in this health meeting. My wife just looked at me. But so and he is like is dry of a sense of humor as you can possibly get. I'm thinking, how come this guy sounds so different in the radio. It's crazy? Do I find out his brother? So I've been going to the chiropractor and the weirdest thing is here. It is guess what? Here comes another big fat I mentioned earlier, big fat coincidence. There you go. I was. I went to a church right after my first Wesley
church. I'll tell you why. I left that church kind of because it kind of got a little goofy, not really goofy, But and I went to this other church, Calvin Chapel, And all of a sudden I was talking to a guy. I'm like, wait a minute, I've heard your voice before. Are you the dude in the radio? He goes yeah, Like, oh my gosh, I went to your office and I thought that's you. That's why I found out his brother that was there, you know.
So anyways, I go to the church and it's a guy I've been listening to on the radio for a year and a half, you know what I mean, right, Like I've always I've always wonder what you look like, George. And you know, I'm not disappointed cause I saw you earlier, but I was like, wow, I really think you look like that. So anyways, isn't that with radio though, Like back back in the eighties it was the DJs uh, And then you'd see the person like,
wow, that is not exactly I pictured you. You almost don't want to see me that people After a while, do you know, I don't want to see him because I want to I want to have this image in my head exactly. So I start going to this chiropractor, right he's in my church, and I start really learning a lot, a lot even more. And that's the first time, and my wife was pregnant. She saw me. She was pregnant there. I was there before that though, she's talking
right now, George. Anyway, So I start going to this chiropractor, and you know, it's it's awesome, and I'm learning so much. I'm going to health meetings and all this stuff. He's in my church. And it's kind of funny because you know, the chirop chiropractic care has a bit of a stigma to it, you know, and he's battling that. He's bat on that in the church, especially in the vaccines, you know, I can imagine. So I'm dealing with all that and I'm not sure I'm
going with this. I'm still introduce myself, right So next I start, well, I'm gonna go back to my previous church because this is a big part of my story right now. And I heard I think it was Tim or somebody can't remember who was before on the show. But I'm gonna some people get really deep in the scripture, which is awesome. I love it. I love hearing the stories. I like here in the parallels. I like hearing all the you know, the relations to the scripture that their life
has brought them to. First of all, I want to say one thing though, before I do this, I'm about sharing the episode. I could not be more thankful George to really what you do. I know a lot of people say this to you. I have every single show, but I used to, like when I first got into this, it's not even the flat Earth or stationary Earth, which I'll talk about. It's just about being able to connect and talk with people that are open minded a little bit.
And sometimes I might not be the most open minded guy, but you know, I mean, normal conversations are pretty boring. Yeah, yeah, I'm really I'm really open to an instant conversation, good, bad, or indifferent, to be honest, absolutely, and what I and I've been kind of like, I don't want to say, forcing my son and my daughter's listening to a little bit, but I've been like putting on your podcast in the car. And there's nothing more powerful than hearing somebody from Canada, hearing somebody
from Austria, hearing somebody from or else. Have you guys guess via the other day we had Spain Australia. I mean, there is nothing more convincing than hearing people all around the world genuinely sharing the same message. It's crazy, yep, I mean that's powerful. Right there. It really is.
It's powerful because they share their own personal stories. But there's there's there's these common threads that everybody has in the podcast, which I mean, listen, I'm my son is you know, thirteen years old, and and he's listening to this begrudgingly a little bit, but listen, man, it gets really interesting. The stories get really interested. Some guests are a little bit more bland than others, you know, you get some people that kind of ramb
on like me. But the stories get really riveting and really, you know, really grasp your attention. You know. So this is you know, sharing it with your friends and sharing with people. You know that might not well be what some people are ready for. And I'm sure I'll get into that a little bit, but I kind of I am ready for a little bit because I have been sharing with people at church, people all over the
place. My biggest thing is I get really bored with conversations and I'll be like, hey, man, like someone standing next to me, after I talked to him for like twenty minutes, I'll be like, hey man, guess what like what I'll say? Guess what like what I say? Guess what you're standing on the ground. I'm like, yeah, guess what, it ain't moving that We'll start Okay, it's so bored. But people talk about that. I just say that. I'm like, oh man, and
that starts off, you know, a great conversation at that point. So let me see. Okay, So when I was in the Wesleyan Church, I was saying for probably about two months, right, and guess what they had been doing a two months? I can't imagine. Well, I was one of the Bible study you know. And then the wedsley In Church and a lot of these churches, they have something called Sunday School, right, and he needs you need Sunday school teachers. So I became a Sunday school
teacher. School teacher two months? Wow, guess what I was teaching on? Let me see creation? Nope, the other side, the polar ops of the Bible revelations revelation? Really what age group was this? Every whoever whoever came you said it was? Was it adult Sunday school or children Sunday School? Yeah? Adult school children? Whoever came to this little Sunday school. Interesting? So okay, so here's where I'm going to probably uh get
a lot of emails maybe who knows. I don't know. So I was saved in a Weslen church, which is cool, right, and I had I had an insane Babbel teacher, and of course I think the Western Church is dispensationalist. You know what that is? Yeah, yeah, of course. So I was teaching on the Rapture, I was teaching on the thousand year Raign, all these things, so which was whatever? So I was teaching, I was I was kind of really develouring the Bible for those two
three months. I was reading a ton of it, right, and I was making connections, great connections, real good connections. But guess what, I wasn't ready for that yet. I was two months, three months into the into my you know, into my new life, right. Yeah, And I sound like I know what I was talking about. So I kind of say this with uh, I tread a little lightly on this. But after on the west In church got a little bit they went to a transition
and it got a little bit different. So I was listening to a pastor on the radio from a from a local calvit Chapel, great pastor, incredible teaching pastor, and I went to calvin Chapel. You know Chuck Smith's church. I'm sure you guys have all seen the movie lately Chuck Smith's Life. But it's kind of funny because when I was going to uh the Chiropractor at that point, that's he was at that church, at the Calvert Chapel. So now I'm at the Calvin Chapel. So I'm learning more, I'm studying
more. This pastor is incredible teacher, you know, expot story teaching the Word of God. So I think I'm not sure the time from I really encourage people to like journal, I want to do it more myself, to actually kind of get a time on the time line of your life. And that's a good idea to do that. That's a very good idea to do that. You know. I wish I should take my advice and hopefully I
listen to listen and take my advice later. But I I started to I can't remember what it was, but in my Chiropractor, I don't know if if he mentioned me or what. But I'm gonna tell you what. The biggest probably started my truth movement was probably in two thousand and five when somebody I don't know where it was. I don't know if it was the radio if it was him. Told me to watch the documentary from Ricky Lake, The Business of Being Born, And I'm not sure if you ever watched that
before. You know, I've heard of it. I've seen so many things. I'd have to go back and see that. Maybe I have, Maybe I haven't. And you said that was two thousand and five. When you watch that, boy, I don't know, man, I know it was probably produced before that. But remember Ricky Lake was a big you know, she was a network. Oh she was huge, yeah, big in the
nineties. Right, but guess what she probably got rabbit holed when she uh came out The Business of Being Born exposed this what is going on with the C section right in our country? Right? Yeah? And that's what woke up the most because when I realized, I'm like, wait a minute, she's talking about like the most natural process of all is probably having a baby. I'm guessing, yeah, the most beautiful Yeah yeah, Well there's you know, going to the bathroom, which is natural, but the most beautiful
natural process is probably having a baby. Yes, And that really affected me deeply to the core when I read about this. When I went house, when I was watching her in about how much money they were making on I'm gonna say, gutting women. I don't know how much you say it whatever, giving them a giving them a spinal tap, which is they call it, but it's a spinal tap. So we're going to paralyze women from the
waist down. We're going to put them on a a in a surgical room with bright lights and tell them the push right when they're paralyzed from the waist down. So now we're get potocin or get the heart rate out of whack, and all of a sudden, the kids out rates out of whack. Guess what we have to do. Now we have to go ahead and say the baby what a crazy what a crazy sequence of events? Yeah, but you know what, And I'm glad you brought that up because when I was
young, you just and I started very young. It was nineteen when I had my first child. You went to the hospital, right, But now you think about it, well, geez, they had babies without the hospital for thousands of years. And now that you're fully awake, you know, now you're paying twenty thousand dollars when you can go to a birthing center for
for a threection of the cost and all three kids. Yeah, and within moments, you know, they cleaned the baby off and you know, the the the cord and everything, and then boom, here come the vaccines. It is dangerous and I'm so thankful my son. They've used a childbirth for all three of theirs, and the kids are so vibrant and happy. It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. So we had all three kids at a breaking center and that was something that was really that was really so. I
met my wife incredibly by you know, God's divine grace. Man, She's she's awesome. She's changed my life. Everybody gave up to me. I didn't get married to I was thirty nine years old, and like my mom gave up on me. Everyone that gave up on me completely. But I met my wife and so and I was fully aware of what was going on. I'm like, oh man, oh man, what are we gonna do? You know, I know we can't go to a hospital. That's kind of what I call it a hospital because if you know someone, on average,
someone was in there twenty minutes before you giving birth. And I think over ninety five percent of the hospital rooms test positive for mursa, which is somewhere you don't want to go for a baby. So when I'm talking to my students or I'm talking to people, and they asked me about like the braiding center, and so you know, if you can't go to a birding center, the next place place to have a baby is probably in the middle of the woods. Hey, Jason, Yeah, I got a pause,
All right, continue on, Yeah, all right. So anyway, so all three of my kids have been born in a birthing center. And for any listeners out there who are little hesitant or not sure or you know, never heard her, I don't think I've ever heard anybody talk about this. I listened to twenty episodes. But it was insanely cool. Well not for me really, because my first child took a long time to be born, and he was born at like it was eight hours. I just said eight
hours, but it was it was the middle of the night. He was born at eight in the morning. So we're sitting in the birthing center and we're in this room alone, right. My wife is like my first child being born, and she's like massively pregnant obviously because he's having contractions. We're doing an aquadura, which means you can get in the world tub that I mean the whirlpool. And like in this eight hour frame, George, I fell asleep like once for two minutes and I dozed off. And then I
also hurry on me, did you fall asleep? I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm awake. What do you need? So there's some realities to it. Brothers are there are a bit different. But so basically me and I pregnant dilating wife in that in that room for a long time together and I'm you know, and I'm talking to her and we were kind of, you know, coach, do what the same what to do? But we had a baby finally. Oh my goodness, let me tell you what. That was a long night and we and it's if you ever seen like
a post porth exam, it's so cool, man. It's like they check for the baby, the baby crawls off, the baby, nurses, latches on. It's like all the cool stuff that can that they won't do if you have a medicated birth. They can't do that because they take the baby from you. They go into a different room, separate the baby from the mother right away in a c section birth or probably a regular birth too that they that they you know, give them a spinal tap. I hate to
stay the girl, it's a spinal tap. And but and we're home in four or five hours, George, amazing, not a day and a half. Right, It freaked like my wife's family out, what they're not staying? What do you mean they're going home? My family too, I said, my family too, but mostly my wife's family. Well, yeah, they were there, but they're like, they're going home. They can't be what do you mean, yeah, just take your baby and go home. So they can really freak people out. So at the birthing center, my
second and my second daughter, it was a second or third daughter. The second daughter who's the real tatted up like birthing center mom. She was so I had this post birth exam, like the videotape. I have to find it, Janey, and she just went over it. She just detailed all the cool things that the baby can do when when they're born right away, when they're not medicated, they're pink, they're vibrant, they're crawling up the mom's belly to nurse. It's a natural instinct. Man. It was so
cool. So on hold and in four or five hours, which was which I will. We always got donuts afterwards, and the cool donut place. We have these big old donuts. We're just killing donuts and going home with a brand new baby. So she had more babies, more donuts. We've got it three times, George, there you go. So I've had three Like we found the coolest thrown in place and had the best donuts after those babies. We didn't go to dunk and tell you that right now. But
at the first baby, I was kind of fun. My wife is a little bit, you know, she's she's still a little bit you know. Okay, this is a cool experience. But of course the braiding centers listen, and the funniest thing is this, man, you know what the brig says. You know, the burden centers are are federally mandated to be attached to a hospital. Yeah, yeah, they have to like a legal kind
of a loop. You have to be a part of some hospital legally, right, because it's considered a guess, a medical procedure, health procedure. But guess what doesn't have to be connected to a medical institution, that's right. Guess what doesn't have to be a brilliant center has to be. But guess what doesn't have to be. Give you one guess what's that? An abortion clinic? Oh yeah, of course, oh absolutely right, right right, every corner. Yeah yeah, but you know, these burning centers are
just higher risk places that some go terrible wrong. I'm not I'm not mad they do that, but for some reason, an abortion clinic is. It wasn't. They might be now, but they weren't manditated. They weren't mandated in twenty ten, which is when my first kid was born. To be connected to a hospital, it's insane. So and of course, you know when you're when you're when you have to get license and insured and all that
stuff, they got to tell you certain things right the being center. So they're like, well, you know, you got this new baby now, so you make sure you go get them checked out by a by a licensed physician within one day. They got to say that to you, right, Have they hand you your vaccine schedule as you go out the door. Not that maybe maybe maybe they did. I don't know if they did that or not, but I'm like, oh yeah, sure, okay, so my mind said, well maybe you should do it. I'm like I don't want
to do it. Well, maybe maybe we should do it, just should be safe, Like, well, I don't want to do it, so but I said, okay, i'll do it, right. So I look up online? Okay, who is the most holistic place I can go to to take this twenty four hour baby? Right? Too? Right, I do not want to do it, So I can I name some names in
local area? Is that? Okay? Yeah? Absolutely there? So I look up and I'm like, okay, So supposedly the Fronz Center, right, the front center in Sound of Florida, is the most holistic place you can go right to take your newborn baby, the most unintrusive place. So I go there. Okay, I make an appointment, and I said, wait, I just had a baby, and I guess I got to come to you because I'm kind of told that have come to you kind of right, So I guess he's one day old. Okay, And this is a
great story, Jurgian. So I go to this fron Center, right, I walk in there and you know, fill out the paperwork and all this stuff and blah blah blah. So I have these Probably it was kind of weird because there are four young nurses. Right, I don't think I met miss Franz, whoever she is. How DoD spell them by the way, I'm trying to find it f r A n Z. Okay, gotcha?
I was definitely off. There we go. So I go to this Franz center, right, and I'm sitting there with this baby in my hands, going, man, I I want to beat right all man, please don't stay anything to me that will like trigger me. So so you can imagine the first question they asked me you kind of you kind of you kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier. I'm sure they're not asking about vaccines, right. Well, so I go there and like, well, would you
like to give a kid a vitamin K shot? Oh? My my goodness. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, so I said, I turned it back on these four young nurses. I said, no, man, no, no, no, no, I don't want to give my vitamin K shot. I go, I go, would you give your kid VITAK shot? They go, yes, we would. I go, why would you give your kid of vitamin K shot? And guess what she said to me? She goes, I want my kid to die?
Like oh, so guess what. Guess what she was insinuating if you don't give them the vaccine that the child's going to die, and they're trying to guilt you and to get in the shot. I want my kid to die. I'm like, oh, well, well, okay, so you think I want my kid to die? Now, I'm like, well, okay, sounds like twenty twenty one, doesn't it. Oh my goodness, man, So yeah it does. And we'll get into that, I'm sure
a lot later too. But so I said, well, okay, okay, you're all all for you, right, you're all you're all medically trained to some extent whatever. I said, Okay, okay, can any of you four tell me when vitamin K is natural producing the human body like every human body and every human animal since a Donna creation? When does natal? When does vitamin K naturally the body from every person in every animal since a Donna creation? When I gave him like thirty seconds, I got, I
give you thirty seconds, I guess, George, When is nat? When is vitamin kay natural producing the human body? When is it naturally produced? I don't I know what it's needed for. You know, it's a it's a blood colliding thing. But it's the quadline right right, and were awesome? Yeah? Guess what is natural produced in every human body? Vitamin K? Yeah, guess guess guess when it's naturally produced? Well, when you're injured? Right, No, no, this is birth? Nope. Uh.
Can I call a friend? Can I phone a friend? You can't call a friend. You're no lifelines, no lifelies. What is it on the eighth day after you're born? Every single human body? Naturally? He isn't there something else of religion that does something on the day? What do you think on the eighth day they told you to do to your first born male and animal? What do they tell you to do in the eighth day?
Circumcise? Why wou't you do in the seventh day? Then? I always thought, listen when I was reading the BIB about that is so like random on the eighth Why the eighth day? But guess what if you did in the sixth day? Guess what happened? You would bleed out right, because you don't have the quagline, because because because you body is still dealing with the birthing process, expelling all that stuff from the birth process yet, right, so we know now George that I don't you probably heard this.
Maybe you haven't heard the stat that kids with vitamin cav a fifty percent chance higher chance of getting leukemia. Do we have leukemia in our country at all? Of course he's right, leukemia, Yes, fifty percent chance higher rate of kids having VEMCA shout leads to leukemia because you're not expelling birth process and it's polluting the blood. So I said, I said, so, why am I gonna so I tell these nurses, I said, why would I? They didn't didn't answer me. I said, on the eighth day,
I said, you guys have read the Bible. Guess what tells you in the Bible to do. They're like looking at me like like this is off the rails right now. They're like, this is this is going bad? Right? So I said, why would I inject my kill with the needle when I can get it for free in eight days? Why would I do that? On an ask question? Right? So you can imagine how this
whole visit went. Well, that's it, and I know I'm jumping the ship here quite early, but that all goes into the education system to where you just you nod your head and whatever. They tell you if that's right. They have an MD or some kind of thing after their name. You trust the science, and that that was part of the whole COVID thing. You better trust the science. You better trust science. So yeah, unfortunately I didn't trust them and they didn't trust me. So this whole thing,
I don't know. I can't remember how it went into that, but I looked at them. Isn't the Bible awesome? It's the eight day because you can't do it before that because you don't have any k in your body naturally. So I'm not going to put it in my kid unnaturally. Next question. So anyways, that's great. I leave. I leave that office right
with my twenty four hour baby still with no needle in him. And a month later they call me right, and by the way, we take the chiropractor, because you know, the breathing process is one of the most traumatic experience you could have on your on your box. Sure, they tap, they tap it. They don't do that. You know, if it makes a chiropact, if you've been to pedia chiropract, they're really tap it and
they really they're gentle. So I go to the So about a month later, maybe it was a month, I get this call from the front center right frim Z Center for those of you that didn't get the cruxtbull. The first time, they said, we need to see your baby, and I go, why we need to see him? I said, he's fine, don't worry about it. I don't worry about my baby. So I think the third call, they're like, we need to see your baby, I'm like, what is going on, man, he's fine. If something happens,
I'm going to bring him to you. Right. So they go to me, we need to see your baby. I got you gotta give you a reason why you see my baby. I'm getting a little aggily. At this point. They go, because we need to weigh him. I said, he said. I said, well, I need to weigh him because we wait him first. That's what they said to me. I said, what do you mean do you wait him first? First of all, they waited him at the birthing center first, right, because they have this they
have it on there. And and I got a math major. I was a math major for my first three years. I know there's a calculation that I can like hold my baby step on the scale. That's some ilse step on the scale. Myself, and there's like a calculist. I can, I can I can do to determine how much my baby weighs? And they're like totally like like so pissed at me now, So I'm like, no, it's fine. I can. I can figure out how much he weighs, and I can I can determine if there's something wrong. Thank you for
your concern so, and how much were to charge you away? And by the way, who knows how much they can charge me on the way. I don't know. I wish I had have kept my receipts for the first that I went there, right so not they didn't end there though, because I didn't get and I got a letter from them saying you are not welcome back here anymore. Really, yeah, it's somewhere I think, I think
I I don't think I threw it away. I got to really digtim and stuff to find it at the fronts that you are not welcome back here anymore. Well, I wouldn't bring I wouldn't bring them to way. This is the most natural place in Orlando. We found out great place now that is much better, that doesn't harass us. That was my whole experience in my first baby. Guess what, my second third baby, we had him. We uh, we had a great birth. Experience gets kind of traumatic,
you know, birthing is kind of traumatic. Man. The Bible, the Bible kind of lays that out after after sitting into the world, that it's ain't ain't gonna be easy. So we had great donuts, Thanks Eve. We kind of partied a little bit, and then we had we I did not take them to another no, to another place after that. So I'm not sure why that story took so long, but it took a long time. It's a good story. It's a it's a it's an important story.
That the vitamin K and how the bodies are underminded and and again, oh, you know the population control. These people who you know, the controllers, they're adamant about uh genetics and Margaret Sanger and and uh Bill Gates' his father and Bill Gates and all these people are monsters. And vaccines are I believe the crux of most of the problems we have in society today as far
as our health. When I was I'll go back to my childhood again, I had I was diagnosed with Tourett's pretty major threats so if I swear to you, George right now, I'll just forgive me. I don't. I don't swear. I don't know. If you I don't know. If you watch that Chris Coleman interview, it's the most it's one of the funniest he's ever seen in my life. Yes, it was hilarious. Oh my god, Oh my gosh. It was like that spoke like a teenage girl. He was talking to Oh my gosh, I'll talk to my wife. I'm
gonna tell George you George hal in the interview. If you if you have If you guys haven't seen it, check out the check out the Chris Cuomo Tourette's girl, whatever, that whatever. It was hysterical. But I had major ticks. I had massive like I like link my eyes, I flapped my arms and I just was like it was crazy, man. I was like, I was seriously vaccine damage. I mean, what else is? What else was it? I mean, what's Tourette's. I still can't spell it right because t O U R E T T maybe T T E S
that's sounds right. So I get I get diagnosed with threats syndrome, right, And I'm like, oh, man, that's I guess that's what it is. Got Tourette's, you know, I guess it's better than SIDS. You know, I could have had SIDS, and then I wouldn't be here right now. Another great syndrome that medical established establishment has given us sudden infant death syndrome. So many kids are dying. Now we have to we have to create a syndrome. They're just dying all of a sudden. You know.
That's the thing. They if they if they give it a label, they can create a medicine for it. And it reminds me of the spinal Tap movie, where like the drummer is just, all of a sudden, spontaneously combusted. Remember that. Oh yeah, three drummers spontaneously combusted. That's all I thought about. What was Oh this is spontaneously combusted, that's all they did. It's oh, okay, that's that's the reason. Then.
So SIDS is like the sudden infant death syndrome. I'm like, what, so so many young kids are dying without explanation that we call it a syndrome. I mean, sick. It's a sick world we live in, man. It's more importantly to sick country live in more than anything else. Agree. So my guy said, I didn't have SID, so I had Thurett's right, So I had the I had. I had the less less fatal version of SIDS, which was Thurett's, which I've learned to control a little
bit. But my kids see it, and people see it, you know, in stressful situations, they'll kind of see the ticks and they'll see little different things that happen. So of course my parents were concerned because here I am doing all kinds of weird stuff, you know, during the day in front of people, and like a lot a lot of weird stuff that was just you know, if even if you mentioned it now, if someone says, you know, I want to blink my eyes, I'll have the urge
blink my eyes or like open your mouth wide. I want to open my mouth wide. Flap your arms. I want to flap my arms like grunt noses to your nose. I want to do that. You know, I just have this urge in me. I don't know what it is. Right, So so my mom like says, well, we got to take you to the doctor, or so we went to the doctor. Right, that's like that, that's my last like memory of going to doctor, probably when I was like thirteen. Maybe they put me on this thing called catapres.
It's like some rug and it sucked. So I took that for like two days of that. I ain't taking this anymore. I don't know why I had that, Dan, but I ain't taking this shit. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that. No, you're good, I ain't taking this anymore. Screw it. I can deal with it. So I learned to manage it and I've lived with it. But I had some massive threats when I was younger. So I was a vaccine damage. You know, whether people want to admit it or not, that's what happened. And so I'm
not sure I'm going Where's I going with this? Oh you're talking about your damage with the with the vaccines. Yeah, yeah, so vaccine. I didn't know that. So skip along to me getting a detail vaccine at twenty yeah, thirty two years old. That was my last time I got vaccine. But so my kids now cumulative ages thirty two years, thirteen eleven and eight thirteen. Yeah, no, she's good. Thirteen eleven, twenty yeah, thirty two years, not one needle in them. So you know,
praise God. And as long as I can keep that street going, I'll keep it going. I will not put a needle in kids that you can't inject it. You cannot inject health. It's impossible. You can't. Here, you can't, And there's so many natural ways. And during COVID they told people to stay inside while vitamin D the best way to get it was
being outside. And you made some really good points and people really needed to take the time, not just to listen to these podcasts, do your your investigation, because if you'd look, I always say everything really changed post World
War Two. Nineteen fifty five is when they started the polio vaccine, which they claimed eradicated polio, and for the first eight years, up to thirty percent of the people who got it were contaminated with SIMI and virus forty And by the way, while you were talking, I kind of researched when did vitamin K start? You know, when did they start giving children vitamin K
newborns. It was the same timeframe at nineteen sixty one and decision and you look in real tiny if you go down the page on Google, why are moms hesitant? Oh, well, there's a chance it's linked to leukemia. It's right there in black and white for you to see. You people. Yeah, people need to stop being bullied by these people, whether it be education or their health. You know, put it in your hands. You got it right. So you're just staying about what we were talking about there,
I forget now lost the train of thought. The vaccine schedule. We're talking about kemia. We're talking about this, but shoot, I had something to say. I forgot darn it anyways, So obviously, yeah, there's a strong close correlation between leukemia and vaccines and pretty much everything else. And I had threads, so that's where I was. I had threads, so I kind of managed to suppress my symptoms. I don't know if you've ever
seen it was was mock mood abdu if he was Chris Jackson. He was a famous basketball player for L s U. He had a really you can see his tics very obviously when he was playing basketball. That's kind of a real popular, a real famous person who had Tourette's. Yeah. The other one was Jim Eisenreich, who was part of the nineteen ninety three Phillies, a beloved team here in the Philadelphia area. He oh, he overcame and yeah he was you know, went to the World Series in ninety three and
he overcame that he was a great player. Yeah, so so gots I was saying something I've forgotten now. I took myself awuth medication and now, well, actually, let's let's fast forward to that's more health related stuff I want to get into. But I'm sure it'll trigger me, but so okay, so let me Oh okay. My sister's sea section was another big thing. So when I watched the Business of Being Born, I was listening to sea sections. It's like these these these reasons that women were getting see sections
were insane. It's like, well, you know, because you know, the left foot seems to be a little bit bigger than the right foot, or you know what, or they're there, they're left ear lobe isn't really developing properly, so we're gonna go take the baby. But they'd give like some like some other reasons for it. But it was just crazy reasons that they were They were giving sea sections to these women. And and and of course they can schedule the sea sections, and they can organ they can they
can fit that in the doctor schedule. A little better. That's that's kind of what woke me up to the first part. So and so here I am woking up to this medical holocaust of what's what I'm gonna call it and SIDS and and now we have SADS right since the pandemic death syndrome. No adult are suddenly dying. Oh my goodness man, how how uh how cold do we get? How like blind? How blind can we get that?
That we're making syndromes about sudden death? It's like crazy, man. I'm like when people say, oh, SADS, he did a SADS, I'm like, oh, my goodness man. Because of course, if you listen, you know that, George, if you give a kid a diagnosis of something, of course, well, pharmaceutical companies are are dolls since nineteen eighty five from good old Ronald Reagan, from being you know, from being sued
for vaccine damage. There are private courso the Viari's Court does pay out private maybe pray out privately for vaccine damaged kids, but for the most part they can give a kid a diagnosis, it absolves them from any kind of vaccine damage. So you don't want to get diagnosis ever, that's what it will absolve because the diagnosis came first and your claim of vaccine damage came second. Oh well you lost that order, so sorry. So anyway, so I'm
woking up to this whole medical industry. My kids are beautiful, They're in birthing centers, unvaccinated. I'm living life great, right, no problems at all, kind of. So I'm in a Calvary chapel. And here's my next thing. Like I got pretty mad about when I when I heard about vaccines, right, I was pretty upset because it's it's damaging children, and it really it really irks me when I mean, it's it's so unnecessar area.
That's what really just drives me to my knees in prayer, my knees, you know, you know what I'm saying, because there's nowhere you can go. There's no where you can go with the stuff, and except prayer in the end, you know, so you don't just do anything crazy. So I'm thinking about all this, and I'm I'm I'm in church and I'm reading God's word and so actually this is before I got married. I'm kind of this is a weird though. This is like a James Joyce novel.
It's like all this choice in time frames. I can't tell when I can't tell what is President bast in future. But so I'm living with my my friend and I'm single still, I'm kind of like dating my wife and I'm in Calvary Chapel and I'm I come home one day and you know, they preach a lot about end times, right, a lot of end times. Look at look at tim Lahay series, man, look at this stuff. Look at the money to make on this stuff, you know, left Behind
series, all this kind of stuff. So I'm like, I never really like verbally like got in anybody's face when they told me that something wasn't true. I'm like, what, like, you're kind of okay. I was kind of like whatever, you know, I just don't know what think about stuff. So I came home. My roommate goes, hey, Jason, you know what I said? What what what's up? John? He goes, you know, you know, you know the rapture is a big lie, right, I'm like what, I went off on him, like for
days, George days, I went off on him. I was so upset at that. I was so mad at that. I was like nothing through me. I mean you can told me the vaccines and throwd me as much. I mean, I don't know why, but I was like, I was like rioting him. I was like mocking him. I was like so mad at him for saying that, because it was what I was. I
got said that. So I taught. I told you I taught. I taught about that three months into Sunday School and I'm in Calvin Chapel and it's a very very renowned pastor and I was, I was that sorry before I was. I remember going through rice fields in Japan listening to David Jeremias Escape at Night Expository Revelation, weeping openly about this about the end times, right, how emotional it was. So I said this to me, and I said, what are you talking about? You're crazy, That's not possible.
So I dug into it. And I know, I think I listened to somebody just yesterday that was talking more revelation, and I think I heard you mentioned your revelation or whatever. But when you start reading revelation and what what What intrigued me the most about the Book of Revelation is is that a special blessing will be this sod Abo those who read and understand the words written to the people right, absolutely, it's crazy. So I'm like that that right
there just stuck with me, ma'am what I'm like, whoa? And I actually know it was your It was your guest. That was that was talking about the Book of Enoch. It was probably about thirty episodes ago. I can't remember what it was, but the Book of Enoch and really reading and really get into that. I want to get into that a little bit because I want to read about these banned books of the Bible per se. But I was like, revelation is something that really captivated me. So I started
reading it that I wanted to I wanted to debunk him, right. And that's how most people come to a stationary flat earth is they wanted to bunk you, right, and all of a sudden they realized, oh crap, I can't debunk it. So I wanted to bunk the I wanted to bunk this because it has to be true, right. There has to be a rapture, there has to be this tribulation, there has to be this stuff.
But what it drove me to George was reading the Bible. Now you know what motivated reasoning is, uh, vaguely, go ahead and explain it's motivated. Reason is is actually arguing from a conclusion instead of working your way backward to a conclusion toward a conclusion. Right, So anyways, I started looking at this thing and I'm like reading and Christ says, these things will not pass away. This generation will not pass away until these things come to
pass. These things must soon take place. The time is near. It's it's near, right. So what it drove me into, George, was first century Roman history. That's what really I got. I got absolutely fixated on the first time I started really reading outside the Word of God in Pilgrim's Progress, which every Christian should read. I don't know if you read Pergoles Progress or not, but it's it's the most it's the closest book close.
It's the closest thing to being inspired besides the Word of God if you read the Purgicles Progress. But I started reading this first century Roman history, man, and I read, now, now you know who the Book of Revelation is is written to? Who is it written to? Who is it written to? The revelation of Jesus Christ? To Yes, yes, it's the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Yes, it's written to first century Jews who are going to undergo this horrible persecution. Right, it's what birth the church.
First century Judy isn't birth the church. So it was this horrible time when when when Jeuism was besieged, right it was I mean if you read, if you read what happened and when when when the temple was besieged and there was cannibalism and there was it was insane what happened man, And it was insane the first century what they were doing to Christians. You know, they used them as torches, right, they lit them on fire and for the chair out races, they use them as human torches. I mean, incredible
tribulation. So and I and I'm going to give you guys a few resources. Now, if you've heard the American then think now it's it's American. Oh gosh. Anyway, the first book I recommend is Evening in Ephesus that explains what happened in first century Rome to the Christians. And my whole point is is that American vision, sorry American vision. It is Thomas Ice and debates. Gosh, I can't remember who it was, but they debate the you know, the end Times, an early and early dating of Revelation versus
late dating and revelation when things actually took place. I'm getting a little bit just joy to hear. But basically I never heard them millennials view, which basically means a lot of the Book of the Revelation happened in the first century, right, it happened in before eighty sixty five, before the destructure of jewislm So like a post millennial type of view. Not post millennial. I'm millennialism, which basically means no, I believe in the Second Coming. I
believe in the new new heavens, new Earth. It's still going to happen. You know. There there's a further there's a there's a further revelation, there's a further thing that the next thing's going to happen. But most of the things that happened in Revelation were written to a first century Jewish church. I was going to undergo the most heinous persecution you ever saw in your life. So and I am fully convinced that, Yeah, I mean, the rapture is a you know, John Trent Darby, I don't know if you've
heard of that. Absolutely, yeah, that's actually come up on a recent podcast we had that discussion. He was a big part of disposationalism and that type of discussion. Yes, John Nelson, Dark John John Nelson Darreth, thank you. I get I get the singer mixed up with that with Terrence
Trend. Do I get those two people mixed up another wishing well? Here, I would, I would, I would recommend anybody and even an Evening in Ephesis by Bob Emery is an incredible book that really documents what happened in first century Rome to the Christians that birth the church. So I was, you know, I had when I started reading this and I started realizing that,
oh my gosh, it really isn't true. There really isn't The Rapture is based upon a obviously I don't know if you know much about it, but it basically means that Christ comes back, rap is a church, and then it deals with the nation of Israel again, right, And that's where that's where a Zionism comes from a little bit. That's why I'm you know, I'm I'm I could be, I could be I could be called a anti Semiti because of this, but I'm not. I'm not anti Semite.
I'm not pro Semite. What happened was was, you know, the Jewish nation rejected to Christ. They they are they they were the ones that said, give us barbass and here's Christ, you know, crucify him crusif right, Okay, but that's nation in general. Now, there's individual Jews that were saved. You know, they escaped the tribulation, they escaped Jerusalem, they left Jerusalem, and they were saved. Right, there's a remnant.
There's always a remnant, right, and all Jerusalem will be saved. And then when you when you get into Revelation and you see there is no more Jewish gentile in Christ. Man, it's one after the cross. It's like it's basically you have covenant theology. You have systematic theology and Covenant theology theology which systematic is dismiensationalis I mean Covenant is old old Covenant, New Covenant.
Right, that's pre Christ, post Christ. So we're living, we're living, you know, in the New Covenant, Christ is crucified and and and and and sin has been basically delta a lethal blow, but it's still we still feel its effects on this earth. So it's a huge thing now and it was. What's so funny is that I hear a lot of people say in you too, I hear you know, is is this is this flat station heard and issue you know about salvation? Yes and no it is?
Yes and no it is I would say, yes and no it can be. Yes, it very well can be. Is this dispensational less? I mean, if you tell me that after Christ's crucifixion, right death and resurrection, he still comes down on this earth and stands on the earth in his body and deals with the nation of Israel again after he died in the cross, I mean, what is that? Yeah? That all leads back to the the false Uh, what's going on in Israel right now? Right?
So those are not the people of that that is not the tribe of Judah. Let's just say that, No, it's not so. Now we have this dispensational filasty which you want to hurt all these people into this new nation of Israel where thirds where two thirds are gonna die in the tribulation anyways, So why are we telling people to go there? Two thirds you're gonna die. Don't go there? Is what I would tell them in the first place.
I mean, it really, it really falls apart. If you look at a map of dissensationalism, you think you're looking at, uh, the new budget proposed by the Congress. It's insane, three thirty thousand pages. Thirty thousand pages, it's crazy. The chart was insane. So I'm like, I'm like, why is this so confusing? And I mean, it might be confusing, but it's not. It really is not so anyway,
so long story even even a longer story shorter or short story longer. I don't know which one it is. But I was like challenging my pastor because for two straight New Year's Day sermons or like, they're like, we're like, we're gonna look at the We're gonna look at uh. I can't remember what it was. It was like, we're gonna look at the Book of Revelation and how it's being how it's when we're look at the newspaper Revelation, how it's being filled today. I'm like, oh my goodness, Like I
can't do it anymore. I can't do it. Well, I've left that church. I've been a church. No now that actually that actually is open to the interpretation of you know, I only like I'm millennialism because I believe in. I believe in the millennial reign. Right, they say it, they say it. You know, there's a thousand year reign of Christ, and like one thousand years before the Book of a Relation. It's always meant
eternity. The cattle on a thousand hills, right, Jesus own you know, God owns the cattle on a thousand hells, Well, the thousand and first, the thousand and first hill. He doesn't known. No, A thousand means a thousand, it's it's complete, it's utterly omnipotence, is what he's telling us, right in a thousand generations, But a thousand and first
generation doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense. So the first time they actually take a thousand literally is in the Book of a Relation, which doesn't make sense. A thousand of reign of Christ is the eternal reign of Christ. He is, he is reigning at the right hand of the Father. He will come to judge living in the dead. He will establish new heavens in the earth. And that's it, to put it in a nutshell. And so I left this church because you know, you can't teach in
the church if you hold a dispensational a few which I agree with. Man, I one hundred percent agree with because I don't want anybody teaching that in a church. I'm in per se. So I go to this new church and it's it's cool and and now I guess we're get to flatter now. Yeah, now you make a great point, right if you're you know, that's why every business has a mission statement. Every church has their core beliefs, and if the core beliefs, you know, don't match, then it's
time to shake hands and walk away. For sure. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. And in the past it was cool, you know, because they would call you, uh, now you know when you when you when you get into like a station area or flatter earth, they'll say, you know, obviously that's just like, oh my gosh, it's like blood to sharks. Oh going to that. No letter too, but they they'll call me replacement theology. You're you're replacing Israel with the church. I'm like, no,
man, no man. The church is the fulfillment of the nation of Israel. Israel is a land promise. The Jews were a nation, but now we have a church which is even better, a better fulfillment of the nation. It's a better promise, it's a better covenant, you know, for all time. Right, So I just I just I just don't know why. And I you know, I I kind of explained a little more
eloquently and I kind of gave people different ways to see it. But I'm like, how can Christ come down on earth and rain when there's sin on the earth after he died on a cross to pay for all those sins. It doesn't make sense, you know. And then we get raptured. I mean, he never promised he's gonna he's gonna take us off the fire.
He's gonna walk through us with the fire. And the rapture you really got to look at I mean, they they kind of play loose with the with the with the Greek and the Hebrew, and they I don't know, man, I've I've started it quite a bit. I just want to give people a chance. Like I said before, evening in Ephesus by Bob Memory is a great book to read. It's very short, it's very easy. It's
it really lays it out very simply. So I'm in the chiropractor off scam and the first time I I some guy hands me a Info Wars CD about what's what's the big Oh yeah, his old DVDs? Right, everybody used to buy us out. Endgame, right, endgame. So watch it and
get into it, you know. And I love what they're doing. And you know, like I said before my garage, I listened to your he make incredibly good points, man, And and I always wondered that the biggest thing I wondered about was when I started getting into this stuff, is like, how does Alex Jones not know the moonlanding is fake? That's impossible, that's impossible. As much as he's on the inside, as much as he's aware, as much as he's studied, How does he not think the moon
landing is fake? It's it's it's impossible. So that was a big red flag to me. And I woke up to the moon landing probably gosh man, two thousand and fourteen, maybe, and the Internet was still kind of open, and I was watching these videos. And here's where I'm really hoping that the coincidence jar really tinkles. Right here. I wish now whenever I see a good view now, I sent it to my Yahoo, which I should not do because I admonished my students, if you really want something,
If you really want something, you want to save it. You better locally save it on a hard drive better locally saved. You better locally save it because it's not going to be there forever. You know, as we get used to the cloud. The cloud is terrible. The cloud is conditioning us to like put it in a cloud and they can wipe it away in a heartbeat. It's like crazy, it's crazy. So that was my question to you, was are you locally said obviously you have all your your interviews locally
saved. This will be a valuable resource probably in the next ten years. Yep. So so so anyways, I was going on about okay, so flat Earth so far worse Info Wars. So I got Info Wars and I'm listening in for Wars and I'm kind of growing, you know whatever. But they make Info Wars makes a mistake, right, they always make a mistake. Yeah, So I don't know when it was man, But so then I'm in the chiropractor office again, probably five years later, right, and
we get adjusted. It's awesome. And a funny story is that actually, you know, our kids had had physicals at one point, like my little three year old had had a physical. She had to go in to office, and so we go in the office, right, and she goes, well, we lay down on the table for me, and so my little three year old goes down there and lays face down like she's in the chiropractic
office usually lay straight up with their face up. She lays face down on the table with their face the table, and the doctor's looking at like what she doing, Like, oh, hey, Joey, you turn over the other way, joy, because that's how they always start you off. That's so funny. So anyway, so we're so I'm in this chiropract office can right, and I'm sitting there and I get adjusted and I'm like, you know, I forgot my keys. I think one time, I go,
I forgot my keys. Man. I go back in there, because you always put him in a little basket, and you know, I forget stuff. You're you're so relaxed. I get my keys, right, and I walk out and it's like this little guy, he's like a little leprechaun. I remember him, man, He's like he's like four foot ten maybe, And I'm turning the corner and I see his face and he goes, hey, man, you're ever looking the flat earth? Like what? This guy just comes out of nowhere, like like on a thin air and you ever
think of flat earth? I'm like, what, Yeah, we all have that first reaction, are you crazy? But that's what this guy, this little guy who's probably four foot ten, comes around the corners, just gets to my face and he stops in front of me like he's blocking me. He goes, you ever looking a flat Earth? I'm like, oh my gosh at that point, now listen, man, and what year is this? Gosh? Man, I wish I knew. That's why I'm saying to write stuff down. It was probably, if I had to guess, probably
twenty fifteen. Oh we almost ten years. Ten years. So I'm like, oh man, I don't want to look into this. I don't want to not want to look into this. I do not want to look into this. I just don't want to write. But I'm like I have to because I've been on this journey where so many things that I just thought were ridiculous, right and I never even thought about all of a sudden became relevant. So I go home and I'm like, oh man, what I'm gonna
do now? So I start back then back then, in twenty fifteen, I guess there was a lot of stuff available still, right, absolutely, and there was. And it was David Weiss and it was Eric Debay. And Eric Debay is funny because the voice sounds like an AI generated voice. It does. It's very So I was like, is this like generated by like AI or something? Because he was so monotone. I'm like, I don't therefire. I don't really trust his voice. Why the voice was too
calming, it was too good. But information was awesome. But then I started to get into like this guy that was in here in Sound of Florida, and he was he was a dude that he was a former engineer or a former something. But he started doing all these experiments of like a popka, like a popca is eight miles right, eight miles across. He started doing all these things on out Dora and you just can't see these things. And he did like these like fifteen videos man, like an hour and fifteen
and got deep into stuff. I'm like, wow, man, that's crazy, that's nuts, and that's you can't find it anymore. Right, So I started going wow, I started digging into this and I'm like, looking at this and then eventually it didn't take long. I don't know if you guys have all seen, like remember the Elf movie, Yeah, of course, yeah, so Elf is like it's like it shows you, like what happens when you start, you know, when you're awake, when you start
waking up. You remember when the little elf for talking, They go, oh, man, Buddy doesn't realize he's he's he's not a human, right, I've never thought of that movie that way. He's a human and Buddy's like overhearing them, He's like, listen to them, and all of a sudden, he starts having these flashbacks of his whole life and you know, all the evidence that he was a human, like he couldn't fit in a
toilet, he's dunking on people in a basketball. So I'm like, I'm having all I'm having all these visions, like they're just flood in my mind. Oh my god, it's true. It's really true. But it didn't upset me at all. So I'm like, oh that makes sense. Yep, it's true. So I kind of knew that and I kind of said, oh, yeah, that's true. But my biggest thing was like, like, now I have this reputation now because I you know, I've gotten
called. I've been teaching like twenty two years, twenty three years, and I got one email seeing are you are you? Are you talking about conspiracy theories in class two years ago? I'm like, no, man, they start talking, but I see technology. So it's just like this open door to stuff. Kids want to talk about it, man, And I'll tell you what you want to really hear. Great great conversation is kids. Man, They're like so ready to talk about any about anything. So I just
like get the ball rolling. I just roll the ball out and man, it's like a pe teacher. Man. They start playing with the ball and ask me questions and stuff like that, and it's incredible. And I know I've mentioned with you stuff in my class before, but I really you know, I drink green tea every day and I talk about how it's fighting cancer my body and how it's oxidating my body. And I started getting into that about how cancer can never can ever can never thrive. You know, an
oxy rich environment, it's impossible. So if you occidentate your body with vitamin D, of course you're gonna tell you the sun creates cancer. And it really it really cures. Yeah, that's another big rabbit hole we've we've brought up on the show Man. That is a big one. Here's nine nine percent of cancer. So what do you tell you to do? So, oh yeah, yeah, you should put this should put this toxic solution on your organ, the biggest organ of your body, and to block the sun.
And not only does it block the sun, but it's it's chemical, so it leapses into your endocrine system and it causes skin cancer. So what they tell you to do? More autistic, more of it, So they give you more of it. I said, stop it, man, it's like crazy. They give you this, this chemical to put on your body and heats. It's like you're putting yourself in a microwave and outside in the sun and it's causing massive damage to your body. You know what I mean.
Yeah, it's insane. Yep, put on sunscreen. Killed the dandelions and get your vaccines. Go with dandelions. Man, I don't know. You can make Danda line to you know me? Dan lines We've had in Michigan. Yep. My whole yard is dan lions. And people people thought like they would have been more up, they were more upset that there were Daan lines in the yard and that they would have gotten a car crash. Oh my gosh, we have dandelions. It's crazy. It's terrible, Jason.
There's an ah of ways that will find you for having dandelions in your yard. Oh my gosh, I wish I had did. We don't don't get dan lines in Florida. Unbelievable because they're probably good. Yeah, they'll find you, man, dan line, t the leaves, everything else. Man, I can't believe it's it's it's just it's just it's just it's just an anti inflammatory and ox change your body and it kills cancer. Period. Yeah, it's the same thing, just like this, just like the the
skin, uh what do you call it? Lotion? The suntan lotion. Not only do they tell you it's weeds and it's bad, they give you round up to kill it, which causes cancer. Yeah, exactly. They give you round up now to like totally destroy the soil and the nutrients and everything else. That reminds you. Round up kind of reminds me of like, uh of, I really am kind of a It was a tough.
It wasn't tough for me, but you know, a hand sanitizer. Yeah, strip all the good microbiomes off your hand, you know, strip all the good bacteria off your hand, and clean your hands up. Just strip, you know, open door to disease. Yeah. But by the way, right here in Delaware, we're the lawsuit capital of the world. Everybody's incorporated here. There was a one point five billion dollar verdict against Roundup because
the rist cancers. Yep. Geez man, Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know, man, Yeah, it really it kind of just you know, I'm sure you've heard of it. Monsanto and they made in the ruins of Mexico and Mexico all these eighty eight different varieties of rice and they destroyed that to almost maybe ten varieties. Now whatever it is they they got them to buy and do it. Now it's destroyed the rice crops in Mexico. It's just incredible chain of events that takes place.
They start getting into this we had I'm sorry, go ahead. Up in Michigan, they'll have this new they'll sell farmers a hybrid seed. I'm sure all you know this, right, So they plant these big crops and then this air they go airborn and then these seeds of this whatever it is, goes into a natural crop and they test and then then they have their they have there of course, they have their gently modified what do you call it? They have, they have patented seed. It's in their field.
They can sue them because it's in their field, because it went in their field from the air and they have that in their field, they can sue them and take them to the court and stop them. That's right, that's how they do it. That's the whole game. Or your field tested positive for for our for for our patented seed. So we're gonna have to take you know what, We're gonna have to like find you or you know,
create these unnecessary restrictions on your whatever you're doing. It's incredible. That's how. That's how I do it. With the seeds. Man that like airloom seeds. Airlom seeds, you can plant something, you can grow it, you can take the seed, you can try it and grow it again. But they have kill switches and new food, which is like okay, every year you gotta buy the seed. I mean, like you want to. We'd love to see this. Watermelons they're so awesome. Well, now they're
not awesome. They ain't got no, they ain't got no life in them. No, not at all. And that's what the Bible even says. You know, you know about as that produce seeds, you know, yes, seed bearing food, seeds. Man's that's what they're doing to people. Man. They're giving them see sections or give them vack scenes. They're giving them birth control medication. They're cheralizing them. They're going to make it a tax for you to get pregnant. By the way, if you I'm sorry,
go ahead. I'll just say you mentioned Monsanto. Uh, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas worked for them in the seventies. Oh my gosh, I didn't know that. Yeah, one d percent. Oh my gosh. I have to go back and listen to the I think it was yesterday I listened to your your broadcast about momark A Daffi and the uns unbelievable he called it. And they killed them, they killed them, they killed them, many, all these demons. So here we go. Here we are right now,
twenty twenty four, in March sixteenth. Right, So you telling me to believe everything that I've learned and everything that everything we talked right now has been a complete line, all of it, almost all of it. Yeah. So now now I go back and look at history, I'm like, oh, I'm supposed to believe everything else that I've learned. It is crazy. Yeah. I mean, if I'm going to go back and let's say we go back fifty years from now and fifty years from now hopefully God forbid,
I don't know what that's going to look like. But what are you going to read about the Ukraine? How is Ukraine going to be framed in fifty years for crying out loud? That's why, like you said, making
sure you document these things. I've told people to document the stuff. Go to shutterfly, put it in a book and have them print it and send it to you and pass it down to your family members, because talking about in fifty years, they'll they will say how COVID was just like the plague and all these people were about to die, and they'll bump the numbers up and they'll say how people were saved because of the JEB That's what will be
in the history books exactly right. Yeah, get the vaccine and millions of people lost their lives because they didn't get vaccinated. That's what the history books will say you want to hear the best, that you want to hear the best the COVID stories. Yeah, Oh my gosh, here's the great ones man. So listen, I know how you say in your pocket. Man, I really woke up during COVID. I was fully awake during COVID. I knew what was happening. I watched I watched a train wreck from above.
I knew exactly what they're gonna do, not like Alex joneson Alex. Alex James always said it was the Chai cobs, the Chai cobs, which I agree with for a while. You know, I might still kind of agree. I don't really know, I guess, but you know it's really orchestrated by us. Sure. Oh everything comes from the CIA, the Pentagon. Yeah, from the Center for Destroying Children, the Food and Death Administration, all that kind of stuff. So anyway, so my unfortunately, now
here's the thing. George, how you have five kids? You said, I have five kids. What's the what's their age range? Uh? Thirty eighty nine, So I hope you George will be thirty five and then my youngest uh is fourteen fourteen? Yeah, case I have I have thirteen, eleven and eight. Now, listen, there ain't more of like I guess it's it's it's it's kind of like a paradox. Man. There ain't more
of a burden or more of a blessing you can give your kid. It's by waking them up to the truth right now, man, because there's as a kid at thirteen years old, they they got to deal with their crazy dad. They're talking about this stuff. Yeah, you know, but I mean, what are you gonna do? Lie to them? Yeah? And that's that goes back to the do you want a sugary coated lie or do you want the better truth? And uh and again, I man, I hate to beat a dead horse to death again, but even the children,
they understand COVID. Now even everybody's questioning vaccines and all the important things that people are really waking up. Uh, not so much. Haven't been successful on flat earth on everyone but right, But again, everybody has their own journey. And I think the vaccine, which is a huge fight, which is still heavily censored, and they are still deplatforming people over that even though
yeah, there's sufficient evidence to say we were right. So let's talk about like world War one, World War two, the Vietnam War, all these major points in history. What was the flatter of the files back then? What do you mean? How did people actually like preserve that what really happened? Man? Like like the flattered files right now and you're just one part of it. But like people are, like the technology now is able to
document what's really happened in real time. You have to preserve this a lot more so. I guess books were books, absolutely, William Carpenter's book was eighteen eighty five. But you know, the scales of economy, it was hard to publish a book, you know, if you were George Hobbs and uh oh they don't have Amazon publishing back there, you you couldn't. Yeah, absolutely good point. What are you gonna do? I mean, how how? How is how is to preserved? Back then? Is much easier
to hoodwink a lot of people back then because you just couldn't. It was so localized. You know, they could can thro the power so much more back then hurst publish. What's funny is that my my, my, my girls and I we watched I really try to limit what they watch, you know, and was coming in you know, the television and you know all this programming. I heard just mentioned that a lot, but we even watched like uh like uh, we watched a lot of uh uh Andy Griffith and
Little houstin Prairie. But they all have the vaccines of them. Man, they have an episode with the vaccine and like Barney had to get a vaccine and they had to get a technics shot or had they had to get it back there. They were introducing these things and those shows. It's kind of like, wow, man, you watch these episodes, You're like, whoa man, They're starting already. Absolutely, So let's see. Let's see where I'm at. So I'm the guy tell you look at the flatter, so
I look into it. And then in Forest made of a State because they had Eddie Bravo on, Oh oh man. You haven't heard any Bravo lately, have you? No? I was thinking about him the other day. I haven't in a while. That was like the most convincing thing to me because I watched him passionately explaining him man, and they mocked him. Alex Jones mocked him for saying something he believed, and I'm like, why are
you mocking him? I'm like, why aren't you listening to him? And him and Joel Rogan they mocked him, of course you're smoking dope on Joe Rogan's show. And he's like, man, you guys can mock me then, but look into it yourself, man, just look into it. I know, Like Eddie Broble was the funniest guy in the world when he says, man, man, when I first when I first heard about it, I said, oh, no, no, fing way, this fing crazy.
But he STIs looked into it and he was he was like actually trying to tell them this is true, man, And they were mocking him on that show, and I'm like, wow, this guy's speaking from the heart. He believes this. You know what I mean is what does he had to gain by this? Right? So taking your episode yesterday and really, I'm like, how does this Alex Jones not know the mood landing was completely fake on Percake? How does Alex Jones? You know, he always goes,
I'm gonna and he's so full of shit on this one. And I would tell him that to his face, and I buy a lot of his products are good products by the way he goes. You know, I'm an amateur extronomer. And I look, I had a PX fourteen thirty five, I'm not looking up in the sky and I saw the rings of Saturn. I'm like, well, he might have seen something. Who knows what the hell you saw, but you know what I mean, it was so cored.
And then he and then he starts selling the Space Force shirts. I'm like, George, we have NASA, Why do we need Space Force? How much mon does NASA get? What is space Force getting? What does Space Force do that NASA doesn't do? Unbelievable? Explain it? What does Space Force do that NASA doesn't do? Or they do nothing? I mean what, I don't know how to phrase this question. It's the most useless two agencies ever ever created. Yep, just a bigger government and that that
felt under Trump, right, that was his that was his baby. Yeah, man, and Trump too. I was a big I'm a I was a big Trump support at Space Force NA so revisited what are you talking about? And of course we're down here all the time, and like I was at I was at We're at a lacrosse game, and all of a sudden, this little you know, this little Roman candles going up in the sky and people are like just like having a religious experience. I can't believe that's
so cool. Like space shadow where SpaceX going up and going into the ocean. I'm like, oh my goodness, man, I'm like, oh my god, I can't take it. Yeah. And then they're talking about populating Mars. We can't even house people here on Earth? Are you kidding me? I tell my students, I listen, man, of course, Oh oh, they couldn't go. They couldn't send the Unman mission to the to the Moon because they just couldn't do it. Right. Hey, George,
One thing have you seen in the YouTube video? Man? I know you guys talk about the moon a lot. Have you seen the video about how know we see that we see like the dark spots on the moon or the whatever they are. I heard I saw a video saying that is a mirror to the continents that we have in our Earth. Yeah, I've heard that too. It's a reverse map, basically reflection of our reverse the reverse map,
and they show some extra maps. I know, I know. I think in a previous product you don't believe that the extra land per se. I don't know either, but there's there's some reflections that would that would show that, I guess on the on the moon by reverse reflection. Yeah, what do you think about that? It's possible. Again, it's possible. Unfortunately we're not allowed to go down there, so we'll never really know the
answer. Well, it's showing us in the moon. It's just the reverse reflection of what's showing us the masses of the Earth, right right, right, that's that is a hypothesis for sure. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? Absolutely, it's certainly. This is the thing that gets me. Jason, and I mentioned that I was just interviewed before this particular interview a couple hours
ago, and I asked two questions. One, if we're so adamant about the moonland being faked, why, and I I you know, he he'd mentioned that it was a distraction from Vietnam and MLK and RFK, and I agree. I had mentioned that before. Absolutely that was a part of it. But it was also linked. You know. I mentioned nineteen eighty six The Challenger and how nobody will ever question a four hundred dollars bolt. Now do you understand if that bolt is not perfect, you know, we could
lose another space shuttle. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, like a four and dour boat in a twelve nine to nine bowl at home deeport different. Yeah, absolutely, no, no uditor whatever, because anytime an orditor would question that, they would just put up a picture of the challenger. Remember that O ring, that O ring that was defective, right, and that's oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's yeah. The silly little Japanese lunar. Oh my god, look how cute this. It's upside down
on the moon. It's so cute. Oh my gosh. It's no mockery much so much mockery. So what I had, George is like I mean, I said, I get bored right really really quickly, and so I I separate my class into I said, okay, I want to I want to separate the class and the astronauts and actronauts. Who's the astronaut, who's the actornaut? And it goes off in the class. Man, they go crazy, they love it. So I guess that's I guess I get miss and I'll be We'll go golfing with my friends at the bar, and it
comes back. I was like when I was in Japan, man, I was looking up at the sky, going there's something I'm missing, Man, what am I missing, man, I'm missing something that was before I say it, I was missing that for sure, I was missing God's due creation. But I'm missing something. You know, I'm missing something? Why is Why is conversation so boring around me? Man's so boring? It's like terrible.
It's like I can't take it right. So like I'll go to the we'll go play golf, will go to the bar, and I'm just like, it's so bored. I'll say, hey, man, are you an astronaut or actornaut? I just point somewhere random man across them across the bar. Man. It's like and it's like the conversation is starts taking off like wow. Fire. Actually, in your very first email, you said, whenever you meet people, I asked that if they're in the astronaut or act
or not camp? I said, you, what do you believe the astronauts or actor notts? Huh? And I tell my class at the end every time I have a g I go listen, guy, you should really believe everything you're taught in school. You should not question it every single conversation. That's how I wrap it up. You should always believe what you hear in school. Should always believe what they're telling you. Do not question it. Guys, I really believe. I don't believe anything I just said. I
really believe in all everything that I'm taught, and don't question it. Never question anything. They're like, what, it's so fun, man, Yeah, So I'm so I'm sitting here and I'm and you know, my whole my whole life is like trying to like, uh, engage people. And you know, you call breadcrumbs, there's bread cumbs, there's breadcrumb time. There's time for a two way four. There's two by four time too.
You know, I eventually guess he's got use it two at four. So I'm talking to like I remember, I remember, like I'm sitting there at one of my wife's like sports things, and I'm talking to this guy and I'm like, I don't say flatters right away, George. They go, you know when you think, they're like, I'll have kids, go, you think the earth is flat? I said, no, man, I don't know what shape the earth. It could be the shape of your left butt cheek. It could be the shape of your water bottle, it could
be the shape of your cell phone. But we've never been high enough man, we don't know. We don't know. Man, I don't know, man, but I guarantee you it ain't moving percent. I guarantee it ain't moving one inch because you know what, you'd be living in the mountains, and it's kind of hard to prove flat earth to a mountain person because they can't see far enough and you know that kind of stuff. And you know, so what I what I start with is always start with stationary earth.
I'm like, man, it ain't moving, Like, what do you mean they't move? And walk? Go outside? Okay, throw a tennis ball in the air, twenty feet in the air, you know, fall in your hand if you don't like, if you can, if you're athletic, you can throw shit up in the air. Okay, guess what that service the service standing on is moving a thous miles an hour or seventeen miles one thousand miles an hour, or seventeen miles a minute or a third of mile
a second. You can break it down from yes. So you're telling me, is how is it possible you're catching that ball in your hand? Well, you know, because the atmosphere is matten now, I mean, because the invector force is pushing that ball up. It's impossible. It's independent of your hand. Well, you know, if you're in the cab of a truck, you can throw it. Like, well, let's go and go into the bed of the truck with no cab on it. Throw that ball
in the air, and guess where it goes. It ain't going in your hand, right, that's right. We're getting a silver bolt right now. And guess what you talk to other people? You're like, you know, in runways you've heard this for are situated every single direction across the whole world. That's a plane. A plane is independent of the ground. I mean, it couldn't land on the ground going ten miles an hour. George, you would disintegrate. Let alone the ridiculous things you're talking about right now.
It's impossible. It's not possible. The wheels would fold like a three dollars Walmart launch air. You wouldn't even thousand miles an hour is ridiculous. I said, we're in Florida, I go. You ever see what eighty mile
an hour hurricane winds look like? So if I got a three mile an hour westerly wind, that means it's roy one thousand and three miles because because because the spin of the Earth is going east to west, on a thousand miles have to be a thousand and three miles to feel that three mile an hour wind. I'm like, come on, man. So yeah, so I was like, I'm arguing this guy, well you believe him flat I'm like, dude, I go shut up. What flat earth? Man?
It's stationary because they try to use flat earth the Roy Kaijack conversation. What about the mountains and everything? What about this? And I'm like, well, dude, come on, man, you can you can you can shoot. You can shoot. You can shoot a cannon in the air and that can will come back and follow in his footprint. Man, if he's just the year, how is that impossible? This back and forth, Well, because I'm like, oh my goodness. So we get into theories, right.
So I'm like, dude, it's stationary, one hundred percent stationary, dude. Just stop with the flat earth. That's that's next level for that. Because they tried to like, you know, hijacked conversation with that. So then I'm like, like, dude, you're you're so come on, man, think about it. Just use your head, look at it, looking around you man. So it's probably twenty minutes. This guy kept going station here. I'm like, well, I'll screw you, man, I
said, saying that I'm saying station here. Let's stay with the topic here. So a week later, this guy because he goes, hey, man, I'll listen to you. You're right, man, why didn't you jump in? Man? Right? I want to jumped in right away. He goes, you're a hundred percent right. They don't know what I was listening to conversation, you're right, you know. I'm like, oh, thanks a lot, man, thanks for having my back because I was like taking
serious heat. So that's one instance that I would think that people, you know, you never know who's listening. So then I was at my I was at my daughter's. She was going to something like extra training because she's a pretty good lacross player, so she's going to some training for fitness stuff. We're trying it out. We're in a small little room and we're talking to this guy standing to me, who I'm gonna send this podcast to him
to by the way. So I'm like, you know, we're talking and like, man, this guy seems to be thinking the same thing I am. You know, I'm like talking like this, boom boom, sitting out little depth charges. That worked. He liked that one too, Man like, oh here we go, hey, man, guess what I guess? Guess we looked down and look down and ground. Guess what I go? It ain't moving? He goes one hundred percent. It ain't moving right. Nice. So we're sitting there and we're just talking away, not watching the
thing about our daughters. We're just talking about you know, stationary Earth, and you know, of course, and then you get into you know, if it's stationary, then you get logical assumption that it ain't round, it ain't spinning, that's possible. It's crazy, man, with the water and everything else. That the water is a big one too. I try to explain people. The water is so easy. Man. I wanted to cruise this summer, George, we went the cruise to the Bahamas. Let me
ask you something I should have looked at. I should have looked it up in the in Google. No, I should looked up in yandex. Let me change it. What a yanex If you're in a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean and you're looking from left to right as far as you can see. How many freaking miles is that? Gotta be a lot? As fires you can see, how many miles is it? Two thousand,
no thousand, no, five hundred. If I'm in the middle of the ocean and I can see, turn my head to left, and turn my head to the right, and I can see it as far as I can see, how many miles is that? That's something you look up, George. That's a good question. I mean, that's it's completely level. Yep. Yeah, I mean my last career is a twenty eighteen. That was before I was awake to that. I wish, I wish I wasn't. It's crazy. Look he looked, he looked right, and it's just I
mean, it's got to be, Jeorge, it's gotta be. It's gotta be a hundred miles, easy, one hundred miles, no doubt about it, no doubt. Gotta be a lot. I mean, and you're looking at that, and I've flown in Japan a million times and I've out the window and all you see is you know, you see you see it rising to the eye of the horizon, rising to the eye of the observer.
There's there's nothing. So this is interesting. When you go to Google, I pose that question, it says number one, it depends how about how high above the sea you are. But the curvature of the earth means that on seashore you can see possibly three miles. Oh yeah, right, that is the very first entry, and the next one three miles on a cruise ship. That's what it tells you. Three miles on the cruise ship. I'm not talking about straight, George. I'm talking about left and right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that that's their theory because of the curvatures, you can only see three miles. They're crazy. Yeah, that's what it says. How far can you see from I'm sorry, how far can you see on the ocean from a cruise ship? And it says three miles due to the curvature, they're probably talking about straight George. Yeah, but nevertheless, it's still a very very low number,
you know what I mean. Yeah, Well, I'm sure three miles is about right looking straight, but looking left and right, I mean, that's forever. Yeah, that's forever. Because I know I can look at Miami Beach when I'm down there, and I can look down there and it's got to be twenty miles each way, it's got to be forty miles. And it's it's that too at the beach. It's the same thing. You don't have to be on a cruise ship. I'm gonna talking about you can
do it in the beach. Absolutely. So the silver bullets are like, it's it's just it's just like, h So, getting back to my kids, I'm like, what do you do? Man? You do you like? It ain't true? Man? Like, what do I do on a test? Dad? I'm like, well, answer, answer, answer, honestly. I just said, no, I got kicked out a class for calling buzz alder and a fraud. She said, your answer basically of what they taught to you. But that's just like you, right, can you
hear my wife? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I just answer honestly. I mean, oh my gosh. So I'm creating this, uh schism, I guess, but it's a good schism. I'm guessing the long run. I don't know, man, But what do you do with this? What do you do? I'm talking to all you people up there with young kids, man, Yeah, that's why we're When you start listening to a lot more of the fact on you. You'll hear me bring up education a lot,
and we have to. That's one of the like if if you bring somebody in who's been like in a very terrible accident, they treat the worst wound and then work their way back right right, And that's kind of where we're at. What is the worst What is the most important thing we need to fix? You know, educations in the top five just dismantling our current education system. Let's just go with number one, George, forget top five,
Let's go number one. It really really, I mean, I'm in the government school system, Georgia. I'm like the most unpopular guy ever. That means you're doing something right. I'm like, I'm a bit of a hypocritic guest. Because I've been there twenty two years years, I've been able to like, uh, I don't know, man, it's I don't know. It's it's it's it's you listen. If we got rid of government education, we privatize everything. Guess what we pair teachers extremely well. We have
extremely good educations. Man. Because I was Japan. You can have forty kids in a class with a competent teacher that has the school that backs you up discipline wise, and they and they and they actually enforce the rules. You know, I'm not talking about the beating kids. I'm talking about really having consequences and kids fall online. They like order, they like to have They like to have boundaries. Every book. The kids want boundaries. To
screaming for boundaries when they ain't got boundaries. They're like, they're out of control for a reason. Man, They're screaming for like something to stop them. Like any criminal, any any serial killer, wants to be caught, and that's well documented. Man. They want to be caught. They want to be stopped. Yeah. Yeah, that's why they always leave clues. They leave clues like you know, you ever watch that Catch Me if you can by? Uh, absolutely good movie, better book, but a good
movie. Oh yeah, I should have read the book, man, I should read the book. But great movie. I mean I don't I don't watch many movies, but I think I'll watch that one. Yeah that was uh the guy there was another big conspiracy in twenty twenty. And uh the other guy who's in all the movies, the Titanic guy. Yeah, you know, yeah, Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks, the guy who gosh Tom Hanks. Man. They Oh my goodness, man. So anyway, it's so funny. You haven't asked me because of course I was awake during COVID,
so you haven't asked me that question, you know. But COVID stories are a great man. So, my son and I going to Target right one day and I ain't wearing I never wear a mask. Man, I'm like, whatever, who cares? You know, my son's nervous. Oh my gosh, dad, you know, yeah, we really should like who cares? Jake? So I'm like the immature one. He's a mature one, you know, in the world's view, you know, you're so so mature, and you're so mature. So we want to Target Right, and
of course is big outer now I want to the outer shape. But this big purple hair, girls like mumbling in her mad I'm like, so I speak Japanese to job. No you can, he said he could his eye and I walked by totally freaks through out. So I walk in the store. Right, We're the only ones on a mask on on the whole store in Florida, right, So we're going around. I just like to walk
around now because I just look at people. So walking around and then of course you know there's no place to check out, so lines are extremely long during this whole process. Right, So there's got to be like fifty people online and we're like thirty six in line, and we have no masks on, right, everybody's got a mask on. This is my son. Tell you the story and how freaking he shakes his head. So this woman was like coming from the coming from like starting at the tenth person, right,
and then we're like thirty six in line. There's there's like probably sixty people lying, and she's walking towards My son's like sweat and freaking out. Oh my gosh, Dad, not again, Dad, please, Dad, Come on, Dad, I just don't worry about it, man, don't worry about it. At first, she's the first born people, please, my wife says. So she walks like up to us, looks at us, walks right by us, and the person behind us, right George, the
thirty person line. She goes, can can you please pull your mask up over your nose? Tell that person? My son's like, what she want to be biased? We have nothing guy that she told the person behind us to pull the mask up over her over his or her nose my son's like, my son's like what, Dad, She just walked by us, like yes, Jay, yeah, perfect, awesome, let's buy herself and get
the heck out of here. It was it was my son's like that like like made him think, he's like what because she knew she was she would have no power over us, and she had no authority to actually enforce anything with us. But she saw someone who was already submitting, like we do with everything in our life, right, we submit the stuff, if you know whatever, and she exerted power of the person behind us. And one
more stories where were in golfing. We came back. We stopped at a convenience store and I walked in and of course, you know the guy at the counters like mant a heavy mask, get her man. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. So I poured these. I get like the like the mass of super gulps, you know what I mean, like big one. I'm like, sir, sir, I'm like, hold on a minute, hold man, I'll be right with you. I'll be right with you, sir. You got Ja's like
Dad, He's like almost like crying. So I'm pouring these two massive super gulps. I'm like here, boom, I go, I go, Can I buy this? And go, no, you can't buy these? No problem. I walk, I walk, I turn around and I don't want you know, it happened to be a big, big, big black guy and he goes and he goes, what's your problem? I said, I'm a free man. He goes, what is that supposed to be? And I said nothing, but I'm a free man. And I walk out right,
George, I walked. I walked across the street and the next place sells me too, a big super gim, big oaps. And that's Florida. That was you know the stories you heard. That was you know, the place where they didn't stress that stuff too much or was it just you know, people were buying it up and were worried about their health. They well they had bought into the hype. Well and what it doesn't matter, it's just it's just it's all, it's all kind of case by case.
Man. These two, then that lady's super target, the guy at the gas station, and then another guy when I was downtown and like this, you know, it's this really big, trendy little place. These twenty little arc places. I walk in looking around, and this guy starts freaking out with his baby get away from me. Oh my gosh. Remember I think in twenty twenty was like dropping a hand grenade, you screaming, get him out of here. My babies right here. I'm like, oh my gosh.
I walked around. I wasn't leave earlier, but I kind of walked around and looked around, and you know that those are my three stories. Man, That's pretty much I remember. And listen to the pandemic. We moved during the pandemic, the pandemic which plandemic two was probably about to start whatever, but we moved so I was able to move my whole house like like basically lamp stand, candlestick holder at one thing at the time. I moved my new house, and it was that was convenient, I guess.
But whatever. Other than that, you know, the vaccine hysteria, all that stuff was, you know, another story, but nothing that affected me. There you go, and we're at the one five marks. So now is a pretty good time to begin wrapping it up. If there was any other things you wanted to touch on briefly, that would be a great time.
No, ma'am, ah, well, I would really echo the sentiments of I guess one of your previous guests who said, just share these man with your friends, like, oh my friends at church, George, all right, boys, okay, you're on full notice now. I don't think there's anybody who can listen to three or four episodes of this podcast and not come away knowing the truth. I think it's impossible, especially if you're a Christian. I think it's impossible. How big of a fight is it to
get them to listen to it? They're listening, man, but they're like, what you know, I make? They don't listen to podcasts, but they're going to my worship leader, right, Luke right, Luke right, Taylor right, Jeremy, you guys are all listen, right, Mark. Maybe they'll be on the podcast this summer talking about that. Jason woke them up. Do not listen to any other podcasts. Just do not, man, it's gonna be detrimental to your global theology of whatever you but listen.
I mean, it is so disturbing that two things people will say, well, you know, what difference does it make? Well, what difference is anthy make? Then if you don't want to know the actual truth of the wrong you're living on. If you don't want to know God's I mean, it's the first chapter of the Bible. If you don't want to really search that, just try to discredit me, Try to discredit George Hobbes, try to discredit Eddie Bravo, try to discredit anybody you know. Just look into
it. I mean, it's it's it's the first chapter. It's what we're standing on. I mean, actually, I meant to bring this up sooner, George, just like everything that we talk about is either shifting sand or solid rock. That's all what it's shifting sand, this whole spinning earth, this whole speeding around the sun. It's shifting sand man. Because it changed theory every single time. Every week's new theory out. And that's what I
talk to my students about, like all theories. So they start talking about the theory of theories, and like, when you're talking about theory of theory, how is it that a theory has lasted fifty years. I mean, if a theory lasted fifty years, it's like it should have burned out like in the first two weeks if it can't be proven, that's right, Yeah, show me your theory, and okay, you can't prove it. Now, the theory of gravity is buoyancy and density, and it's very simple.
Okay, you jump off a roof, you're gonna follow the ground because you're denser than the atmosphere you're in. That's one hundred percent. It's all it is. Okay, if you drop, if you drop a if you drop a boiling ball in the lake, it's gonna sink. You drop wood, it's gonna flow. Okay, it doesn't magically escape gravity. It's just buoyancy and density. I mean, it's as simple as that. It's very simple. You don't have to you don't have to stress anymore because gravity, the
theory is never improven. What do you mean. I'm like, yeah, look it up. It's never been quantified, it's never been measured. It can never be proven. Period. And if you look at all the magic that they have to create to support their heliocentric model versus the simplicity of geocentric Earth. And again I mentioned often you know comes a razor, it's it's
it's a very simple process. And yes, there's gonna be some things that maybe we can't answer, but many of the answers that science gives us is nothing but reverse math to make it, you know, relate to their their motivated motivated reason, arguing from a conclusion, not toward a conclusion. And you know, and the theory of we talked about all Man theory relativity. What nonsense. It's nonsense, because it really was. I can't remember. I think, well maybe David Horowitz, I don't know, if you know
front paid Front page magazine. He was, he's but he really talked about that is how it really ushered in the theory of moral relativity. Was next step after the theory relative Well if nothing's if nothing is constant, then morals aren't constant. It really ushered in that whole debate, in that whole mindset of moral relativism, from the theory relativity, right, so you can then you go to atomic theory, you know, Man atomic theory. So maybe
you chemist out there can put me in my place. But if they have to, if they have to smash an atom, right, the atom is the smallest udent of matter and it can't like it can't like exist when it's not intact. Do they know what's in there? That's a good point. I mean have spent a lot of time thinking about it. But that's something to think about. So you'll see these little pictures of protons and neutrons,
electrons, and they're a cute little graphics. But if they have to smash atoms and the animize or whatever they call it, and in that brief moment there's there's a release of energy, what do they do that in that brief
nanosecond, not even nail second, they can see everything in there. I'm like, what, it's atomic theory for a reason, and it's nuclear theory, and you know, obviously you know, the more I look into it, yeah, you know, I went to the hero from like six times and I went I went to the I went to the museums, and I saw the bombed out building. But basically, if you looked down, it was it was carpet bomb like it was like London was carpet bomb like Tokyo
was earlier. Tokyo was earlier. Yeah, absolutely the same. You look at the pictures Hiroshima nineteen forty five and uh Tokyo in March of it was it forty four or forty five when they were firebombed. Oh man, I should know that forty four. I think, yeah, it's the same. And again there was only one There was only one reporter allowed to go there to show the pictures and go look at that guy's secret society and tell me what movie won all the awards this year. Openhat was Oppenheimer. Oppendeimer.
Yeah, so one person was allowed to have that, Like six people found dinosaur bones, one person was able to report on that. Man. It's like, and they've been keeping people awake at night thinking that any minute somebody can push a button in the entire world or disappear. And I was freaked out for a while. You know, that's that's terrifying. Yeah. I grew up at you know, I'm almost fifty five. I remember the nuclear
fallout shelter. Things went like at our school under the steps, and my mom would tell me about how they'd have drills about how ridiculous is this hiding under their desk. Yeah, really, under your desk, you might survive three tens a second longer than that person next to you is not under a desk, But those streets will be rich. In the army, they told us to face the blast and cover our ears and eyes, like okay, all right, whatever serge whatever you say. So an atomic theory we get
we get into, of course, of course, evolution. What a I mean come on, man, I mean, oh my goodness. Man, if they can convince you of evolution, what can't they convince you of? Man? It's like it's just like whatever, you know, that's right, like a salesman's salesman's dream. You know, Oh wow, you believe in that. Yeah wow, I can tell you any I can tell you anything. And after a while you just realize it, like especially for me, once you get over flat Earth, Oh yeah, nukes are a hoax.
Oh yeah, you know, you start to realize that just everything's a lie. Everything's a lie. And the most powerful weapon isn't the you know, the moab or these major weapons. It's the ability to control one's mind. That's the most powerful weapon they have. That's right, that's right. And I'll tell you what it's. It's a complex. It's a it's a multi layered thing. Man. When you start looking at the media and the movies
and just what they blast you with, it's like crazy. Like you watch the Truman show, you watch these things with open eyes, You're like, whoa, they're showing you everything. They're showing you everything. Man, it's right there. That's why I tell people. Now, I say, go watch the Matrix, then watch They Live, and then go watch the Truman Show. Those three movies. This is the Truman Show. Man, I say, what more can they show you? What else can we do to
like try to wake you up with to be caught? Man? Where Leonardo DiCaprio, go man and catch me if you can. Is it or is it? Are they the same person? Are they different people or not? I don't even I don't even know. Because if you can, man, please stop us. We can't help ourselves where it's impossible once we reach a certain point. Okay, so yeah, that and then other silver bolts are.
Man, if you watch a sunset and the sun's ray shrink and you can look the way to your left and there's not as there's not a hint of the sun. It's a local sun, that's right, you know, angular rays, it's like, come on, man, I guess we've really lost our ability to do math. Because that's a simple one. They're both set, they're both local. It's just local. It's like, oh my goodness, man, it's just like and and then other you know, people
tell me, what difference does it make. It's not gonna it's not gonna affect my life. Well, well, what do you mean it's not gonna affect your life? I mean shifting sand or solid rock. You don't want to build your whole thought process on solid rock. You want to build your thought process shifting sand. That's what you wanted on. You know, you want to believe in multiple sexes. Shifting sand. You want to believe you know, you know what I mean. It's just solid rock. It's a
God's principles are solid rock. Man. This is true, This is this is proven. This is something that's beyond you, which is awesome indeed in
the end, and it's a great way to finish up. I think my voice is done, and I by the way, I want to let everybody know at the twenty eight minute mark, we had an emergency here on the homestead, and I want to thank Jason, Jason for being patient because I had to pose the show, I think for ten or fifteen minutes to go deal with a real emergency that we had here, and you just picked right
back up. So thank you for your patients, and you brought a lot of stuff to the Forefront today, a few more like you know, every person who comes on, I learned something. Yeah, I teach you something, George, did I teach you something? Yeah? Absolutely, it's man, and I mean, let me let me check that often. Okay,
absolutely, and uh it's we should question everything. And people are picking this up and again the last podcast, I was a guest on someone else's podcast tonight before my conversation with Jason, and this gentleman's audience was saying, hey, you need to talk about this, right, So we are making waves. Keep speaking the truth, speak with conviction. Sometimes we stress as humans to you know, we worry about what people think about us. But the
truth is everything. So with that, Jason again, thanks for your thanks for number one, for coming on, and thank you for your patience while we dealt with the little emergency. But I want to give you the last words, sir. Well, I just want to thank you George for really, I mean, I mean for what you do, for just getting these people connected. I mean, this is has been I don't care if it's
even a podcast, but always like, aren't you nervous? Heck no, man, I can't wait to talk to George about this kind of stuff, you know, and I can't wait to connect with people around me. And it's just, uh, you know, you just gotta look at what you
where you are right now. Two last things I want to talk about is like, you know, of course God says he places you in the perfect time in the place that you're at, and you're in the perfect time in place, because I mean, when I was like listening to Flatter podcast, I'm like, why doesn't somebody do this like with a bunch of guests, Like I could have done that, but I wasn't the man for it. And George, you really answered the belf for that very very very well,
and I truly appreciate that, and I thank you. My clean garage appreciates that and everything else. And the other thing is this one thing that I look at is a biblical principle which kind of it's kind of a you know, it's called I can't remember the exact term of it, but we watch these events take place. If you if you look back at the Book of Aster and you see what Mordecai was, I mean, Hayman was doing, right. Hayman was trying to eradicate the Jews, right, He's trying to
get rid of them. He was, theyre trumped up charges, they were false claims, lies, p partrated to try to exterminate a certain group people. But basically, he built these gallows, right, He built these gallows to hang Mordecai on. Right, We're going to hang the Jews on these on these gallows. And it's kind of a constant theme in the Word of God. And it doesn't have to be gallows. It can be, it can it doesn't have to be that visual of a of a execution device.
But guess who was hanged on those gallows, Amen Hammon's ten sons, right, Yeah, Hamen and Haymen. Hammon was the one that he built the gallos and he was hanged on those gallows. So eventually that's the message. Man. People are gonna lie, people are gonna cheat, people are gonna steal, and they're gonna build these they're gonna build these networks. They're gonna build these gulags for people they want to imprison. But eventually the truth is
revealed and they are going to be the victims of their own creations. And that's what's gonna happen with technology, that's what's gonna happen with life extension. That's gonna happen. Anything that God has not ordained to be good, it's going to be. That's gonna be their head. It's gonna be on them. So that's kind of like what I go back to when I see this crazy because there's really nowhere else to go about to pray and to worship.
When you when you see these sake place and and it really gives you adapt into what you see. Like I used to read like the Book of Kings and the Book of Judges and like like they had a good king and then they had a bad king and then they followed God, and then their kids the whole generation didn't follow God. And it's like, what, how can one generation? How can people just fall away like that? That's not possible. But boy, I'll tell you what. When you look at outside and
look what's happening, Oh man, I guess whoa man? That gets to be pretty real pretty quick. But in the end, and you know, there's a new heavens, there's a new worth, there's risen, there's where we're going to be glorified bodies. That's you know, just just because of the just because of the manuscript evidence and bridging prophecy and the infallible word of God, that those things are going to be true. So I don't know why I go back to the book Aster, but it's a powerful book.
It's a very powerful book. And I just know that the people who are building these things to try and trap us and to try and you know, on this finite earth, on this puff of smoke which is our life, eventually, you know, me win an eternity. Amen. And again it's it's not always going to be easy to be a follower of Jesus Christ. The two Timothy three twelve tells us in fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. That's right. So that's
right. Uh, you just got to stand telling your convictions and like I say, don't let man, don't let man's go a law across God's laws. Again, with that, it's been a real pleasure of meeting you and to the missus next to you there, hello, thank you so much. It was nice to meet you too, And God bless you for you know, you know that the birthing Center and all of that that is such. I'd love to hear those type of stories, So God bless you as well.
All right, George, Well I hope they hear sons and daughters agreed properly over that chicken and the better. Yeah, I mean, it's it's nice, right, Yeah. I think this one we're gonna have to pass. It's it's the circle of life and the pecking order. It is what it is, you know. But well, she's fourteen and she loved that chicken. So we're gonna have to go spend some time, take her for
some ice cream something special. Yeah. Absolutely, So again, it was great to meet you, Jason. For all the listeners, thank you for your continued support. And if you'd like to come on like Jason did this evening, you just do send us an email the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com and just reply to our brief questionnaire and and we'll get you scheduled in the very near future. We're doing the best weekend to get everybody accounted for. So again, for Jason, I'm George. God bless each and
every one of you. Keep your head on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends, we will see you. I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've had Spain. I know you feeling tied. Hell down all the way, Yeah, I know you feeling you smile ain't the same as a way to go from here. I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up, No, don't give in. Never is home. Don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's got a glad. Why it's a way god up? Let me come,
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