Episode 154: Flat Earth Conversation with Matt

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our housekeeping for today. We have a great guest joining us. We've been chatting for quite some time since the wintertime, and his name is Matt. He's joining us from Colorado. I guess it's still morning there, Matt, So good morning. How are you doing. I'm doing great, man, It's pleasure to be here. And like George said, my name is Matthew, I'm from Colorado. I'm a proud father, husband, kind of jack of all trades, but you know, a musician as well. And yeah,

you know, I'm just really happy to be here. And I just got to say to all the community and everybody within the sound of my voice, I love you all as brothers and sisters. I pray for all of you in my thoughts every day, and I'm just so glad that we're able to be a part of this experience as the truth comes out and people become

awakened. It's really been a blessing. I'll tell you I on a sledgeer sledter up here for a podcast that started as something I just kind of did as an off note because people were such even within the truth community, as I've mentioned before, how it was looked. I guess frowned upon would probably be the best way to say it. What a great community it's turned out to be. And there's obviously people well before us that have been part of

it, David Weiss all his hard work and others. But as we spoke before the podcast, before we hit the record button, the community is growing quickly. And whether or not that's people just the scales falling from their eyes or they've heard so much and people are talking about it more openly there as they say coming out of the closet, I think we're doing all of us.

And again this podcast is I'm just riding the horse. It's all the people that have come on and shared their stories that has really impacted everyone. And I know you've had quite a journey, and I guess the best way to start is just allowing you to kind of share your journey. Yeah. Absolutely, And I did want to give a little bit of a shout out you know Cliff Stevens from Truth to Faith. I was on his podcast last week. Unfortunately it wasn't able to air yesterday, but he's going to be

getting out this next week. He just had some commitments to like a three part episode kind of thing he was doing with someone, and hey, you know, it's helping a show and I just love that. David Wise, Oh my gosh, and you speak about the Awakening. I mean every I got the app on my phone and I don't know if you've got the the notifications thing, but my phone is buzzing like every ten seconds with a new

app user, new app user, and it just blows my mind. I mean so, I mean again, like if you guys don't get that app or have it yet, you know, I just totally recommend getting it. You know, pay the subscription. It's an amazing tool. Yeah. Thanks thanks for mentioning that. Can I just say something real quick because I always mean to do that. We're still like fifth or six on the referrals, which is good for us because people see, you know, the Flatter Files

podcast and they're like, what's that. So it does help. So and I know we still get a lot of questions about certain things, and that is such a powerful tool. If you're having a conversation with someone and they ask you what is this? You can literally hit the question mark and you can find the answer there. Not only tell them, you can show them. It has ninety nine percent of the questions that most globers will ask.

So I'll leave the link to that to his app and that works for Android or Apple iPhone, I guess, and use the referral code fe files and I'll put that in the show notes as well because it gives us visibility, which helps. And I'm sorry to interrupt you. That's just a great point, and thank you for bringing that up. That it's perfect, man, it's perfect. And then you know, last, but not least, I got, you know, Josh Monday and Sean Hitler just two amazing people doing

so much amazing work in the community. Sean's videos are just amazing the work that that guy does. So and you know, check those guys out if you haven't yet. And yeah, man, so some of my story really starts with my mom and dad. They were actually from my mom's from Salt Lake City, Utah. My father was from Murray, Utah, and they were both raised and kind of born into the Mormon religion. And you know, my mom's ex husband before she met my dad, was just, you

know, kind of a real abusive man. And my mom was someone that she was pretty much abused sexually and verbally and physically by most every man in her life, a lot of my extended family, my grandparents and stuff like

that. And so one of the miracles was, you know, they had kind of duped her into thinking that both of I've got a half sister and a half brother, and she was kind of duped into thinking that they had died in a car accident, and they my mom wound up having a nervous breakdown and she she wound up in a mental home, and so they shipped her off from Utah out to New York, and you know, she was ready to just give up the fight and just stay in the mental and back

in those days, you know, it's more like an asylum style where you know, they're just pumping you full of pills, you know. And she, uh, she had a dream and you know, I called it a dream, but you know, she really says it was just a real experience where three angels came to her and they told her, you know, Pollie, you know your your children are alive, and you need to go back to Utah and you need to, you know, take your life back pretty

much and get on your feet. And part of the amazing part of this story and the miracle that I believe was so my father. He he would He served two tours in Vietnam. He was one of like five survivors of him of his first platoons that he was in. And I mean, you know, I mean, I honestly don't even know how I got born out of all this with what he made it through. I mean, it's just

a miracle in itself. But you know, the story goes, and I wish sometimes I wish my mom was here because she tells us so much better. But you know, when she came back to Utah and got off the plane in Utah, my dad was landing from Vietnam and they actually met at the airport, and uh, my father was the spitting image of the angel that came to her in her dreams. And that's just something that just always blaming me, man. I mean, it was just amazing, you know.

And you know, my mom, she's what she calls herself a prayer Warrior. She she speaks in tons a lot. She's just been really deep into it. And so both of my parents, you know, they listened to John Denver, and I guess that's you know, they chose to get excommunicated out of the Mormon religion and they chose Christianity, and they moved to Denver, and you know that's kind of where they had you know, me and my brother and started our family. And so, you know that being

said, my birth kind of was the first miracle of my life. I was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck and they had to rush me and flight for life from Saint Anthony's North Hospital here in Denver, Westminster to Children's Hospital, and you know, I had an experience then where my heart had stopped beating. They had to resuscitate me and brought me back, thank God, you know, and it was just one of the most amazing things in my life. And you know, so I was raised in the

Christian faith pretty strong when I was young. And one of you know, the other miracles that I've witnessed in my life was I I I woke up one day and I was covered in warts brother from head to toe, and you know, we had like this little weird mud pond thing that was we grew up in this weird little house that was like my backyard was kind of a construction site, and so that's where me and my brother played usually,

you know. And you know, everybody said it was you know, for me being in that pond that I got the warts, but I really believe it was the work of the devil. And they took me into church and the entire congregation prayed over me for just what seemed to be forever at that age. And I mean I woke up the next day without a war on my body, and I mean I just I felt the hand of God and just that just the power so deep in my body. I mean, it

was just amazing. And you know some of why I touch base on that is because you know, growing up with such a strong I mean, I was just I was a fan of Jesus Man. I used to watch, you know, the old Ten Commandments movie, and I would stand in there with Moses and I would part the seas, you know, and when he was doing the Ten Commandments, I would you know, strike the commandments onto

the tablets. And I was just a super fan of Jesus. But you know, with all that being said, you know, progressing into my my later childhood, early teenagers, I was so easy. It was so easy for me to fall away from him and I got involved in you know, just drugs and caught up with the wrong people. And I mean I knew, you know, I knew people in gangs, and I mean people who

were you know, Gothic and Satan worshiping people. And it was just really powerful to me that, like, you know, I always just felt that Christ kind of kept me on a fishing line, and it was almost like a kid to his father, you know, where you kind of see how far you can get away before your father brings you back in, you know. And I mean sometimes it would have just taken me saying the word and

I could have just been jumped into a gang or something stupid. And it was like he'd smack me and just reel me back in when I needed to be reeled in, you know, And it was you know, I've always just kind of had this kindred relationship with you know, God, in Christ and the Holy Spirit, and you know, and I can't even say why or how, you know, it's just always been something in my heart. I was a real empathetic kid. I mean I would see a kid in

a wheelchair or a blind kid, and I would cry. I would tell my dad, you know, take it from me and give it to them, you know, like it just broke my heart to see anybody who couldn't run and do the things that I could do, or couldn't see the beauty that I could see. And so, you know, I've always just had a really big heart and a really big, you know, empathetic soul, and you know, a lot of that I think carried me down the line of where I was and kept me kind of on the straight and narrow,

even though I walked some really dangerous roads. And just for reference, what was this like during the nineties in your teen years when you yeah, yeah, it would have been because you know, nineteen ninety I was born in nineteen eighty, you know, not to age myself, but you know, so yeah, around nineteen ninety I was about ten or eleven, so it would have been about ninety two ninety three. Once I got into middle school, you know, I met some kids I started, you know, experimenting

with pot or marijuana or whatever you want to call it. And you know, marijuana took a seat in my life from from that age on pretty much, and you know, I had my my ins and outs with it from time to time, but it was always something that I that I went back to, and you know, further into my my teenage kind of high school years, you know, I got into LSD, I got into mushrooms. I even did you know, some cocaine and stuff like that. Like,

thank god, I never got into anything much deeper than that. And I was always blessed with not really having a strong addictive personality, and so I was able to kind of be shown the way it was negative, negatively impacting my life, and I could, I was able to make those decisions to step away from it, you know what I mean. But marijuana was the thing I always stuck and it was always just this crippling, you know,

thing just monkey on my back. And you know, I know we spoke you know about me before we came on this podcast, and I mean, I'm three weeks sober today, and it's just amazing. Can I ask you a question, because there's something I really want to address because I know for some people, you know, I know veterans who say that it's helped them. But then I also can tell you firsthand that I know and I think again, like there's not one magical elixir that affects every person the same way

I have seen it. And again I'm not this again. It affects everyone differently, But I know for a fact that it is addictive. I've seen it firsthand with people where it becomes an addictive thing. Would you agree that that is it can be an addictive you know, entity for people for some people. Oh? Absolutely. I think anybody who says the opposite is just

trying to stay on that ride. I mean, it's it's you know, I mean it's you know, the first week when we had spoke last in our emails, when I quit, I mean I barely slept but two or three hours a night. I was having sleep paralysis. I was, you know, just in the sweats, and I mean just total withdrawals, you know. So, I mean, you know, and I mean it's labeled, I believe as a hallucinogenic, like a class two or something. So

I mean there's definitely a lot of proof to that, you know. Yeah, it's it's it's been it's been hard, you know, and a lot of that kind of plays into It was just really amazing. And I can't remember it was on I think it was Fact Hunter where you were talking about like the music and the moms and the papas and Jim the Weird Scenes from Dave McGowan's book. Everybody should read Weird Scenes, uh. And I'll put that in the show notes for you folks. If you've never read it,

please do. It explains everything from Vietnam to MK Ultra all that stuff. Very interesting stuff. Yeah, and it just blew my mind because you know, being a musician, man, I mean, I've learned more classic rock than you know, probably some people, man. I mean, and the one band that I just always despised for some reason was The Doors. And I had friends, man, they loved the Doors and they would yay, let's you know, even in cover bands. I'd be in here, let's

play this song. I'm like, na, dude, I don't do the Doors, you know. And I just I had this thing against George Jim Morrison. And when you brought up George Morrison and the Gulf of Tonkin, I mean, it just it literally blew my mind, brother, because it's like, that's exactly why I hated that. Man was like, dude, your dad pulled my dad into Vietnam, you know, and it was just

it was amazing. And you know, so you know, to get back a little bit and kind of skip forward in the timeline, you know, I went through all of that, you know, just an addiction and drugs, and I delved into my music. And I started out my music really doing like the blues and reggae. I was in like a Sublime cover band kind of thing, and you know, doing that thing. And then I wound up getting into metal and I was in a pretty premier metal band out

of Denver. I mean we were top five on kvpi's Best Band in Denver. We did all kinds of stuff, and I was starting to get a lot of a and our record attention coming to our shows and stuff, and it was like God just really started to kind of show me, like you just kind of parting my ways with that, and I started just getting you know, I always wanted to be a father. I mean, that was just one of the biggest things to me. I just I knew I was going to be a great dad, you know, and luckily I was blessed.

I had two parents that just loved me more than anything, and they were always I never had to lie to them. My dad would know when I was on something, and he you know, and I was able to actually tell him, like yead, Dad, I did acid, you know, and he didn't beat me for it, you know, he worked me through it, you know, and so I really I thank God for that,

and I thank God for that man. But you know what was kind of crazy about it was, you know, through that band, I wound up meeting my wife and we were both doing you know, coke and heavy booze, and you know, my drummer, me and him would go out and we would have like a four hundred dollars bar tab just between the two of us, and then we go drop another one hundred and fifty to two

hundred on an eight ball of coke. Wow, And then we'd sit there all coked up out of our gourd, and then we'd start chugging alcohol again because we hated being on the coke's. It's like, I mean, it was just such a stupid cycle, and it was like, you know, it was kind of it was kind of all coming to terms at this point when me and my wife met and it was like me and her just sat one day and we just said, you know, enough's enough, Like we

want to start a life together, we want to have a family. And so I was still in my band, but we had already parted ways with coke. You know, we were still drinking, you know, and not like in excessive amounts, but we were still getting drunk at shows doing stuff like that, and you know, still smoking weed. But we had had

managed to get the cocaine out of our life, which was awesome. But it you know, right around the time when we were actually really starting to you know, maybe have a chance of doing something with it, my father passed away. And you know what he passed away was he was really hit hard with agent orange exposure from Vietnam, and you know, it started with type two diabetes and he wound up getting part of his foot amputated. And just it was like, within four years, I watched the strongest man in

my world never, I mean just never. He The only time I ever saw that man cry in my entire life was when the Columbine shooting happened. And you know, we can definitely get more into that sometime too, but you know, it was like I just kind of went to my bandmates and I was like, hey, you know, like I mean, my mom. You know, she wasn't really able just to take care of herself, and so I knew I had to find a way to move her in with

me and my wife. We were in an apartment at the time, and you know, we barely got like ten thousand dollars from a thing that my dad had, you know, an insurance thing, and it was like barely anything to cover funeral costs, and just gave us a little bit of a

chunk of change to help with some moving expenses. And so, you know, God really worked his magic man, and he you know, this was at a time in Colorado in the housing market was at an all time low, and we were able to get a house for a real affordable price up in the Thornton area, and so, you know, it just it was kind of He just carried me, man. I'll tell you right now,

Christ carried me and my family through that entire time. I mean, to this day, I still can't remember a lot of what was going on and what we were dealing with. But I had reached out to my ban and I was just like, hey, you know, I need to take a

hiatus and I need to get this figured out, you know. And you know, at the time, we were touring and doing you know, we just had a CD release on an album and all kinds of stuff, and those guys just didn't want to take a step back, and so they pretty much told me like see you, you know, and I was like, man, this is like the guys I just spent like the last seven years of my life last you know, supposed to be my brothers, and they

literally just turned their backs on me. And it was really the slap in the face I guess I needed at the time to put me on the road that I needed to be in, you know. And so you know, after that, you know, I really I was kind of lucky because I

really just cut all the friends out of my life. At that point, I had already parted ways with a lot of the friends from the past that were just you know, in that bad path, and you know, so I just really focused my life around my mom and my mother and my daughter, and you know, just kind of dove into work. And at the time, I was an arborist, so like I've been an arborist for twenty two years trim and trees and just doing landscaping and stuff. And you know,

the green industry is kind of a brutal beast in itself. There's really not much a healthcare sit help, Like we didn't really get benefits, and retirement was a joke, and you know, my body was just I was beating myself to death. I mean, you know, i'd be we did snow removals, so I would be out for like thirty two hours straight, you know, pushing snow, shoveling snow, and then you know, coming

home and going out the next day to trim trees again. And it was you know because we had you know, emergency tree lens that were everywhere busted up and I'd have to go clear that stuff up. And you know, I just started really praying to God and praying to God about you know,

just find me a way out of this, you know. And even though like my schooling and everything was in horticulture and agriculture, it's like you're either going to wind up working in a greenhouse or a landscape company, you know, and I just I had to get out of it, man. And so it's just real crazy, Like another time, God just worked within my life was. I was driving down the highway and I was just, you know, really in tears because I just I was so done with it and

I really didn't know anything else, you know. I dabbled with some construction and stuff, but I knew I already knew I didn't want to do that. And so, you know, I look up and all of a sudden, there's a USPS semi on one side of me, and I'm like, oh, cool, post office, you know. And I look over to the other side and there's a USPS collections truck and it's like I'm boxed in between two posts vehicles, you know. And I was like, oh my

gosh. But that's not even the craziest part. Like within an hour, my buddy calls me that I had used to work with spraying trees and doing tree work, and he was like, hey, man, what are you doing. I was like, oh, man, you know, same old, same old trees, you know. And he's like, he's like, nah, brother, you need to come to the post office. And I was like, you got to be kidding me. And so, you know,

I got in with the post office and I never looked back. And that's been where I've been and you know, one thing I love about the post office is you know, we're self funded. You know, we're for the people, by the people, and that's what we do, you know, and it's just really cool and it's been a big part of my spiritual

growth is just working, you know, within the community. And it's like we had spoke earlier, you know, I mean, one part of our job is we we have to deliver cremated remains, and you know, I always say, you know, it's my co pilot for the day, you know, and you know, because we try to make light of it because nobody likes to have those, you know, nobody likes to have those in

their possession. It's just hard, you know, and you know, delivering those to someone, you know, I've had to cry, I've had to pray with people, and just it's it's pretty powerful. That's amazing that that, pardon me, you have that type of compassion, you know, because not everybody honestly has that, and it's I'm sure when that gets presented to them, you know that that's a moment of extreme emotion that overcomes that person

who's receiving the ashes. And it's quite admirable of you two to have that type of compassion for people when you're delivering that Yeah, no, I thank you, man. I really think I mean, you know, and I'm just a firm believer and I've always said this my whole life. You know, God, God puts you where you need to be. Yep, you know, He never closes the door without opening a window. You just you have to pray for you to be able to receive and see that window when

it's open. You know. I wanted to ask you because I know my father was very pro military growing up. There's a picture of me when I was eleven years old in a full beady battle, just uniform, the old

camouflage. But then as he retired and I started my deployments into Iraq, I sense that he kind of felt like he knew, like because I was in a place where actually I've said this before, I was in a place my life like you the you know, the the I needed the military more than the military needed me that when I went back in the second time. But was he because of all the things like myself, everything that I saw, and I see how the world is now. I'm pretty adamant to my

children that I would rather you not join the military. Did he have any of those conversations with you? You know, I'm really glad you brought that up. So when I was seventeen, I had got in. I wanted to join the Marine Corps. And then again, growing up, man, there probably wasn't a day of my childhood that I didn't have camouflaged clothing on

with camo pain on my face. I mean, I was out. He taught me how to dig foxholes and build lean to's and just all the fun stuff and we just played war and army all day, every day, and you know, so it was just so he's in my heart, and you know, I thought he was actually going to be really proud, you know, and it was like he a switch flipped in him as soon as I told him that, and he told me, He's like, son, I'm never going to allow you to fight for a country that doesn't fight for you.

And I was just beside myself kind of because you know, he was, you know, he's always in kind of the political realm. I mean, like a desert storm broke out, and I mean he was in his

little war room watching all that stuff. And we used to collect like the little deck of cards with all the you know, and so you know, he actually went down and he threatened a lot of those guys that were talking to me trying to recruit me, and pretty much told him, if you ever approach my son again, it's not going to go well for you, you know, And that kind of just parted my ways with it. But I didn't quite understand all of that until I got a little further into my

life. And really, so, I mean, like JFK was probably one of the first things that I came across that. And again I didn't we didn't have like, you know, YouTube and all this computer technology to look this stuff up and to get in these groups. And so really it was just the discernment in my heart and what God would put on my heart. And you know, I just always knew, man, Like I mean, you know, there was just too much there with it. So I just

I always believed that JFK it was an inside job. It was just something that was always in my heart. And so it really didn't take much for me to believe that once I started finding some little facts about it, you know, And I mean nine to eleven was probably the biggest one for me. I'll never forget that day. I mean I woke up that morning for work and at the time, I was actually dabbling some carpentry, a little bit of a remodeling, and I thought I had it on HBO. Man.

I mean, I literally popped on the TV, like, you know, just getting ready for work, and all of a sudden, I look and it's like one building's all smoking out and on fire. And then all of a sudden, you know, you see this other you know, plane or I guess suppose playing at this point, you know. I mean, I don't even really remember how I saw and what I saw when that happened,

because it was just so shocking. And again, I was really not I was just kind of laying on the couch with my coffee, you know, and it was just like and all of a sudden, I'm just like, this is real, you know. I was like, oh my god, you know, and I mean, you know, it just kind of, you know, really like set me off in my heart. You know, all of a sudden, I'm thinking, oh my god, we're under attack. You know, all this stuff's happening, you know, called my

boss. My boss was like, no, don't come in, you know this and that but the one thing about that day that I'll never forget was like the Pentagon and it's like all of a sudden, like, I mean, they had news cruise on that site faster than anything that I've ever seen, almost, And the first thing I was thinking is like, well, where's the plane? You know? And it was just again, you know, I didn't really have a lot of avenues to find this stuff, and

like corro my thoughts with anybody else. So I mean I actually kind of took a lot of flak and lost some friends over that, like call me not a patriot and anti this, you know and that, and I'm just like, no, man, like you need to look and like, you

know, just go watch this stuff with your own eyes. I'm like, cause, you know, one thing I did find was a thing about plane crashes, and I can't remember the exact statistic, but it was like, you know, there's like almost no plane crash in existence where they haven't recovered like one or two of the engines or you know, part of the tail

or something, you know. And then I wound up seeing a picture of the crash that went down in Pennsylvania and there's all kinds of plane carcass there, you know, and I'm just going, yeah, man, no,

this is not right. And so luckily I wound up finding this video later on when I finally did have YouTube, and it showed a video surveillance thing from this building across the street and you're sitting there watching it and you just see this thing come shooting in and I mean it's literally like feet off of the ground, you know, and it you know, and I mean to my belief is that it was definitely a cruise missile that hit that building.

And what really kind of set me apart was like, you know, I do landscaping, and you know, I heard people talking that day how like the plane had hit and then hit into the building. But every picture that I was seeing on the news, the hedges and the turf and everything leading up to the building were like in perfect condition, yep. And I'm just like, so, you know, again, I guess it was just that discernment that I had in my heart, and I was just like no,

no, no, you know. But I tried to wake people up to that, and it was like just nobody ever wanted to hear it, you know, and so I just kind of gave up. I was like, look, if people want to be fooled by this stuff, they're going to be fooled by it. I know what I know. And so pretty much from that day forward, I didn't trust a thing that happened, like every

anything that came out. You know, I was easily able to get it into like the Oklahoma stuff, because I was just already on that path of just not trusting any of it. And that was another way my father raised me, was like, always question the narrative, you know, you know, always just think, think, think, don't just accept the answers that are provided to you, you know, And so you know, it was just really easy for me to make sense of all that stuff myself and follow

those breadcrumbs back to what had really happened. You know, that's right, one hundred percent. And I'm glad you mentioned that because that is again, if you put in if you go to Google. I always tell people to go to Google when they want to be told something. If you put in I think it was American Air seventy seven, why is there no debris left at the Pentagon. The very first thing to get is popular mechanics, which also debunks many of the theories that we tall. Popular Mechanics is always one

of the first things to pop up in your Google search. They're the big debunkers, and Popular Mechanics is actually owned by the Hearst Corporation. And another rabbit hole many people may have not gone down, is the Patty Hurst was that seventy eight or seventy seven, the whole Patty Hurst abduction. That's a rabbit hole itself, and she comes from that family. That family, there's

many rabbit holes with They're a publishing magnet. They owned many of the Obviously magazines have kind of died and gone away over the years, but they're still a part of the old you know, from Ben Franklin to the Hurst family, the people who controlled the printing press very much, you know, to the people today who control the Internet, control the narrative. So you'll see

Popular Mechanics debunking, you know, the Pentagon. But the fact is, and you can look it up, there's one hundred of pilots who had flown for over thirty years who had gone into simulators and could not pull it off. And apparently this guy who was air quotes at the helm of the airplane couldn't even fly a single engine CESNA so and I've said this many times. If there's one or two things, then yeah, maybe it's a coincidence.

But there's hundreds, literally hundreds of things that don't add up from I mean, we could go on and on about that. But in Oklahoma City, which I'll be at in a few weeks. And by the way, I just driving back from East Palestine yesterday. I didn't even realize it, but the Flight ninety three memorial they had signs for it as I was going down the Pennsylvania Turnpike. And if I wasn't in such a time constraint, I would have gone there and checked it out. But yeah, it'd be pretty

amazing. Oh absolutely. And again when we talk about these things, I always try to talk about it, just like when you deliver the ashes to these family members. When we talk about these things, we understand that there were people who died that day. We're not trying to say it didn't happen, but the people who were behind it is a complete fabricated story. And like you said, obviously there was a flight seventy seven. Probably I don't have all those notes in front of me, but it was not an airplane

that hit it may have been a drone laden with explosives. Some people say, no, if you remember that portion of the Pentagon had just recently been under construction, Yeah, they made it stronger. Yeah, yeah, So

who's to say they didn't do what happened on the Trade Center tower. And it's not even the military side of the Pentagon anyways, it was the accounting side, right, Yes, And what did they announced on September the tenth, two thousand and one, the trillion dollars missing two point three trillion dollars? Once again, just another let's give one to the conspiracy jar. So yeah, and that's so, that's good to know that you were a person

of discernment for much of your life. I was very much you know what the history book said, until I know I started, I think probably my third tour in Iraq, I started to see some things. I had somebody mentioned something to me in two thousand and four. But when you're you're busy deploying, and you're always on a calendar, you know, I'm only home for X amount of time. Do I want to spend time having fun with my family or do I want to close the door to my office and go

down these rabbit holes. And it wasn't really until I retired, until I started going down these rabbit holes. And that's when you really you feel betrayed, especially when you have brothers and sisters who died because of these lies. And you know something I've I've I've been coming to terms with and I knew many people and not just military people, civilians as well. What does it mean to be a patriot? Does it mean to to blindly support this government

no matter what? Does it mean to hold them accountable? And I remember the feeling. And I've said this before. My buddy, one of my best friends, was a recruiter on the day of September eleventh, and he said, on September twelfth, there was a line around the block. And then in retrospect, you understand that they are able to control our emotions.

They are experts, the ones who controlled, the ones who bend the knee at Satan's altar, right, they know exactly what strings to pull and how to put them on television and the internet to get us to react in a certain way. Would you agree with that? Oh? Absolutely one percent.

I mean, you know that was kind of It's kind of funny too, because had you come up to me at this time in my life, even with the discernment I had, anybody who would have ever mentioned flat earth to me, I would have just laughed it off, probably because like I really had a conception in my mind that, you know, flat Earth was them

actually distorting God's creation even worse. And I think I told you that story about when I was in outdoor lab in elementary school and I was doing this repelling exercise and there was this gal I wanted to talk to that I was just finally building up the courage to talk to her, and you know, I was doing this repelling exercise up and down these pine trees up in the mountains, and I came down and man, I had like this scolding sunburn

that just slashed down the side of my face, and it was just it was like I just got welted, you know. And I mean it seemed like it was almost instantaneous me. We were probably out there for a good you know, four hours or so, but my counselor had like scolded me about like, you know, you didn't put on any sunscreen. I'm thinking, dude, I grew up just playing in the sun all day every day. I wasn't even allowed in the house, you know, and I'd never

been burned like this, you know. And I just remember saying to him, I was like, you know, you're the sun is and I didn't know the number. I was like millions of miles away and you're telling me a thousand feet in elevation made a difference. And it's like I had no idea what truth was hitting me at that point when I said those words.

You know, it was just amazing that, like, you know again, that was like it was kind of God just like giving me that little bit of a view that I just should have, you know, I could have ran with. But and and all of this is getting to flat Earth. I'm getting to my story there with you know, you flash forward from you

know, all that nine to eleven down meeting my wife. You know, so I'm working, and then you know, twenty twenty hits man, and you know, right around twenty nineteen, I just really got this feeling in my heart, you know, like I feel like, you know, it

was definitely the Holy Spirit. And I just you know, you know, I always pay attention to weird things in the news, articles and stuff like that, and I caught wind of a virus, you know, something in China, and all of a sudden, I just kind of got this fear over me. And sometimes fear is a good thing, you know, it can drive men to do good things, and sometimes it can be the worst thing in your life. But in this sense it you know, I came

home and I told my wife. I was like, look, I just I got a horrible feeling like we need to kind of stock up on some stuff and just make sure we got a good couple months of stuff in case, you know, something happens. And she honestly thought I was crazy at first, I mean cause she's a real money pincher. So it took an arm and a leg to get her to free up even five hundred dollars to just stock up, you know, on some stuff, and we did. We went out and got a bunch of toilet paper, paper, towels,

can goods. I wound up getting like one of the last freezers I could find around that. It was like a six foot freezer. They were all really small everywhere else. And you know, we got that freezer stocked it full of meat, and then it was like slammed. I mean, twenty twenty hits so fast, and it just unrolled so fast, and it was

like, you know, a lot. I mean, I've always really been someone to tell people who are dealing with fear, you know, God does not give us the spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind. And it was funny because I wasn't even even really able to to heed my own words at that time, you know. I mean, there was so much you know, through Facebook and all these other outlets of just you know, this, this and this, and so we had

my mom living with us. She was super high risk seventy two years old, you know at the time, you know, obesity and just health issues, you know. And then my mother in law, my mom, my wife's mom, she was battling stage three cancer and so you know, and that's kind of you know, something I wanted to speak to is like I

see a lot of the vaccine community talking. You know, people will be like, you know, you know, we're not the brainwashed sheep that got the vaccine and this and that, and it's like and it can get some of that, but it's like you got to understand that that the devil was working more of his works during that time, yes, than anything, and so you know, we were kind of in a hard place financially at the time of My wife had just gotten this job that paid ninety five thousand dollars

a year and she runs she's head of HR and so you know, they pretty much told her, like, you know, you need to get the example for all the other employees, like you're gonna have to get this vaccine, you know. And at the post Office at the time, you know, they did the federal mandate, our union hadn't filed the lawsuit yet to fight it, and so you know, I was really trying to. I mean, I was fighting everything because I did not want to get it and

I didn't want my family to get it. But through all of that propaganda and everything coming out, it was like, you know, we just decided, like, hey, we're going to have to do this, you know. And so I told my wife. I was like, there's no way I'm letting you get it first. Like if I'm going to get it and die, I'm going to get it and die and then you can choose from

there, you know. And so I went and I got the shot, you know, and you know, I just I prayed, I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and I said, God, look because I mean I even talked to a friend of mine that was a pastor, and you know, even he's telling me like, well, you know, God's also

working with the medical professionals. You know, he gives these people the knowledge to be able to create these vaccines and blah blah blah blah blah, you know, and it was like so much just misinformation spewing in my head. So I just prayed to God and I said, God, look, if this is your will, then let it be right. If this is the work of the devil, let it pass through us like saline water. I

said, let it just you know, pass right through us. And so you know, we got the first you know, because you had to get a double dose to be considered vaccinated. And so we got the first two shots. And then by by that point, ain't enough. You know, information had come out that I just instantly was like, nope, we're done, you know what I mean, Like I like all of the deceit was out in the open, and it was just you know, and I'm still

man. I mean, it's what twenty twenty four, so I mean I'm only four years in you know, and I just I keep it in prayer man that I don't wind up with some heart condition or some you know, you know anything. But like, you know, do I take it as like the mark of the beast? Now, man, I mean, it's just it is what it is. And I mean we've all been deceived. I mean obviously now knowing what we know about flat Earth, we've been deceived on levels we couldn't even fathom, that's right, you know. So you

know that's kind of where I was with that. But you know, it just brought up a lot of anger in me, anger at society, the division I saw in families. I mean people were just like not even invited to Christmas, you know, just because someone got the vacks and someone didn't. Just thinking like, well, if you're vaccinated, what do you care if they're not. You know, if the vaccine works, then why are

you even worried about it? You know? And I was trying to so I was on Facebook, you know, dropping truth bombs like left and right, and man, I got I got canceled for you know, first it was like two weeks and it was like two months. The medical man, yeah, yeah, we got finally banned me for a solid year, dude. And I was just like, you know, whatever, man, and I was just done with it, dude. I was just I was so

angry and upset at the devil and the deception or to society. And you know, we flash forward to you know, really about the last two months at twenty twenty three, and I'm sitting there just you know, every time I open my news at man, I mean, We've either got an asteroid the size of New York that's gonna wipe us out, or Korea or China

or Russia's gonna nuke us. And you know, you got the Satan nuke and the Satan missile and like all this, and I'm just like and I just it was almost like my uh it was almost like my neo moment, you know, the matrix. Like I was just like no, and I was like I'm done. And I mean I just went into prayer like no other brother. And I guess it was probably you know, within like the last six or seven months of twenty twenty three, and you know, I just do I dove into prayer so hard and I just said, God,

I was like, I know this is not your work. I know this is not the way you made our existence in creation. I'm like, all of this is you know, I mean, you got Elon talking about you know, colonizing Mars, and I'm like, that can't happen, you know, like I just knew from what I knew through the Bible and everything. I was like, it's not that it's not possible, it's that it just it's well, I mean it is that it's not possible. It's just it's

it's it just simply can't happen. And I was just like, God like, and I just told him, I said, God, I want you to show me the truth, you know, show me what this creation is about, show me why we're here. And I started having this reoccurring dream man. And so one thing about me, you know, being you know, against fear. I've been terrified to fly. In my entire life. I've never gotten on a plane. And I'm working to get past that now.

And really this awakening with flat Earth is kind of helping me to that.

But at this time, I started and I used marijuana to suppress my dreams because and I'm telling you, man, like I did not dream when I was stoned, and so that in itself that I even had a dream to begin with that I could even remember was a miracle in itself, because you know, I would see my dad and I ever since I got that knock on the door when my dad died at four thirty am, you know, I would wake up at four thirty every single day for the rest of

my life. And it was like it was like just solid sleep paralysis for the rest of my life until this point, Like I just I couldn't sleep past forth and I always knew why, and you know, it was, you know, I knew it was that that trauma of waking up and going and finding my dad dead with my mom, you know, and it was just so hard and I, uh, but you know, so I started

having this reoccurring dream. And in this dream, it's like it's really kind of a surreal looking world that I'm in, but it's it's it's there, you know. And but in this dream I'm supposed to get on this plane. I'm like, okay, you know, And it takes me like five, four or five of these dreams to finally work up the courage to get on this plane. And I don't even know why, you know, I have no idea what it's about. But I keep telling my daughter about this

dream. And then finally, you know, I worked up the courage and I got on this plane and it's a real like short, stupid little flight, and it just takes me down to this island and I'm like, you know, it lands, and I go through all this fear and all this you know, feeling and getting down there, and then all this sudden, man, I was literally standing on this point and I was standing on water, and it was like all these different currents of water are kind of coming

down and connecting, and it was just so beautiful. And I looked out at the land and you know, then I would kind of wake up from that, and then all of a sudden, I had the dream again, and it went a little bit further and a little bit further, and then finally I saw where I was just standing on water, and there was this being next to me. Man. And I mean, dude, you know, I believe it was Christ, whether it was an angel, whether it was whatever. And I look up and his face is just so beautiful,

man, and so bright. I couldn't even see his face. So I can't tell you exactly who it is, man, but I just remember this warmth and this presence coming over me and all my fear went away and I just had the like the Holy Spirit just talked to me in my dream and said, all is not what it seemed. And from where I'm standing, I can see every continent on a level plane, and it just weirded me

out. Man. It was like from that point, I could have stepped to South America, you know, Africa, United States, anywhere, and it's kind of over exaggerated where it was all a lot closer. But it just kind of tripped me out because it's like it was all right there on this one little level area, you know, and so it was just crazy. And so, you know, one thing with you know, me and music was, you know, some of my biggest addictions were marijuana and porn.

And I've always had a really big problem with porn in my life and just you know, from a you know, even from a young age when I first found playboys in the back of my dad's van and stuff like that, and it was always something I battled with. And you know, the more I was tuned into music, the more I would get those temptations, you know, and I started to kind of you know, try to recognize

that. But I started just you know, so I separated myself from you because you know, when I'm on my route, it's really just me and whatever. And so I would put on a podcast and I started listening to stories from the Bible and just stuff like that that, you know, just kept me in a better place in my mind, and it kept me from

getting those temptations of just being stupid. And do you think can I interject really quick, yeah, do you think it's the uh like four twenty eight or four thirty two verses four forty or do you think it's the lyrics and that which can be in terms be uh deemed as chance. What part of the music do you think leads you to those thoughts, like, you know, those negative or legal thoughts and actions, you know, delving into the

music a little bit. I mean you totally blew my mind when when you had talked about Aleister Crowley and you know the Beatles Sergeant U, Yeah, Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club album. I mean they're like this little happy family band, yeah, you know, and I saw that cut cover and I'm just going, what the what are they doing there? You know? And I was always into Led Zeppelin, and I always saw they're kind of a cult symbolization that they had with them. Yeah, but I had never what's

that Jimmy Page bought his mansion. Yeah, yeah, you know, and so I found a really amazing documentary at one point that just happened to pop up one day and it was like it just went through this whole thing, and I mean Jimmy Page, I mean he winds up, you know, just literally bowing down to Crowley and studying all this stuff. And they actually did a I guess a saying or like I don't know what you call them, a ritual seances, whatever they do, but they were doing this thing

to make them like the biggest band in the world. And John Paul Jones he had really strong Christian background and so he didn't want any part of it. And it's just kind of funny because you know, moving through that, I mean Robert Plant he was in like three almost death you know, near death car accidents and yep. Yeah, and then you know we all know John Bonham, I mean he literally died in his sleep from alcohol, and

it was like that ended that band. And what was always stuck out to me was like Jimmy Page was never able to write another hit song after that time, and it was almost like the devil had collected on that contract,

you know. And you know, being in the blues, I always you know, I mean Robert Johnson The Crossroads and all that stuff, you know, and its yeah, and I remember hearing people talk about the fact that he had no skill whatsoever, like he had no rhythm, like he just didn't have the blues, you know, and then all of a sudden he comes back and he's like like the godfather of the blues, you know.

And it was just nuts because I one thing that was kind of funny to me was I've always had a hard time, like I'm a guitarist, but I can't remember lyrics. Like lyrics they never really have a like a front impact on me where it's like I remember all the words in a song, Like I can play songs all the way through, but I can't really sing them all the way through without messing up the lyrics so bad that it's like

people just start laughing at me, you know. And so I really think that that was God's way of kind of trying to shield me from some of like the the because I do believe in in the I'm not sure how they call it, but you know, when they're reversed playing music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, back masking. I think I should have wrote that down somewhere. But that was a big one for me that I started really paying

attention to and see. So, like I was like, later on, after I got out of that band, I started kind of parting ways with metal. And because I was never really deep deep into metal. Like one of my friends he knew I was a great guitarist, and he's like, look, we need this guitarist. And I'm like, dude, I'm a blues guy. I'm not really a metal guy. Oh no, I've heard you. You know. I grew up playing learning some Metallica and Black Sabbath like any kid. And you know, he was like, I know you

can play this stuff, you know. And so I was like cool man, and I did that. But with the reggae, everything's about smoking weed. I mean, it's like all the bands I like, and I love the message of just you know, the you know, positive vibes and love and all that, but it's all marijuana, man, like the whole thing, you know, And so it really kind of you know, showed me

that, like, that's exactly what the hindrance is is. You know, how are you going to separate yourself from marijuana if you're literally flooding your mind with songs about smoking marijuana, you know what I mean? And it was it was powerful, man, And you know, not to get too far away from my awakening, but you know, it was around that time that I was going through those podcasts and you know, and I didn't even know why God was really putting it in my heart to start separating myself from from

music, you know. And so I was really just trying to dive into

podcasts and stuff. And my podcast had ended and I was like, oh, you know, that sucks, that's over, and I was kind of in a hurry, so I just went back to my music, and man, within thirty minutes, I'm like pulling up, you know, looking at some chicks tits on Facebook and this and that, and just getting all these urges and I started just getting, you know, just all this temptation was like rushing back in me, you know yeah, and I was like, my God, like I can't, I can't, Like I'm broken, man,

I cannot have two seconds without something positive in my mind before I just start getting tempted, you know. And so I was like, no, man, I put down the music and I was like, God, I need to find a podcast. And I started scrolling on Spotify, and all of a sudden, I saw flat Earth files and I was like, oh my god, these guys you know, and I mean I didn't. I just laughed when I first saw it. I mean, you weren't even searching for, like, you didn't put flat Earth. That just literally just came

up. Yeah, it just scrolled up through my menu because I just I just went into a podcast thing, you know, and I was just searching through them and it just came across, and I mean I was just like, oh, whatever, you know, and I just kept scrolling, and all of a sudden, it was like the Holy Spirit just hit me. And it was like, well, if it's that stupid and you don't believe any of that stuff anyways, why are you so afraid to hear about it? And I was like, all right, you know, I'll pick up

the rope on this one, okay. So and how I'm sorry, what's that? How long ago was this when he came on the podcast? When he came upon it and you found it. This would have been literally January second of this year. Oh okay. And so that's when like when I talk to people, like I tell them, like, you know, what are we March fifteenth. I'd have to do the math. But I used to say, like, hey, this is day forty five for me on Earth as I know it, and I really believe that. I mean,

dude, flat Earth saved my life. I mean, it flat out saved my life. I mean, I know, you know Christ is my savior, but flat Earth brought me all the way full fledged into Christ. And it's so amazing man. And I mean it's just I can't even it. I can't even convey, Like I mean, when I go back to when I went back to, like so I started at your first episode, it's like why the lie ye, And all of a sudden, I was just

like boom ma. I mean everything that you know. And I'm not someone that just listens to something and goes, oh yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean I took everything you were saying and I went and did three or four different points the research on everything you were saying in that show, and it you know, I'm I'm just literally it's all coming open right in

front of my eyes, you know. And I it was like it was like I'd never even seen Genesis. As many times as I've read that book and read other verses of the Bible, it's like it's just like brushed right over my head. Like like when I see stuff like the firmament, I'm like, oh, that's just that's religious talk. It's above my head, you know. And exactly I would just like it's like now when I open up the Bible for the first time of my life, Brother, it makes

sense, and it just it's just amazing. I mean, it's just so amazing to be able to just have this connection with God, you know. So you know, obviously like one of the biggest one for me. And I've heard a lot of guys say this, but it was the go fast rocket. I mean, when that thing hit the firmament, Bro, I started crying. I mean, I mean how I mean, the one thing is like it wasn't destroyed. I mean, that thing hitting something solid like

that, it should have just been obliviated, you know. And it was almost like the hand of God just stopped this thing, like nope, And you could hear like that echo off of the firmament and then you see the sun in the moon all local right there, you know, And it was like, oh, it's just so powerful, brother, And I'm glad you brought that up. I've already bookmarked the video. It's actually go fast rocket hits the sky firmament and it's already got It's got so many that this is

great. I don't think we talk about it enough. This video alone has waken up so many people. Oh my god, yes, yes. And so you know, one thing that's amazing is like when I talk about empathy, I've always been able, Like when there is a mass tragedy, I mean I can't. I will fall to my knees sometimes and start crying because of the loss of life. And I'll never forget when I was sick. I was six years old when the Challenger happened, and they willed that TV

into every classroom in my school, every classroom in the nation. And brother, I felt nothing when I saw that thing explode. I mean I never understood why, but I just I felt nothing. I would I didn't cry. I was just like, oh, well that sucks, you know, on about my day and I never understood why. And then then when I when you brought up the Challenger and I went into Sean Hiller's level with me,

I mean, oh my god, it just blew my mind. And I was like, I mean it's like, you know, yeah, you're gonna tell me that every one of these guys has this twin relative and all

this. And then when you see the footage of what's her name, who's the teacher, Christa mcculloff, Yeah, Christa mccauliffe, Like you see her parents in the crowd and they're smiling and laughing, yeah, you know, And I mean it's just it was just so insane, because again, it was like God just shown me at that point with discernment like nah, you know that didn't happen. Yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. You know. So then I start diving back and I'm going, you know,

I pull up the Helium Act in nineteen twenty five. I'm like, nineteen twenty five, like, what the hell do we need with I mean, we literally monopolized all mining and in everything a helium on planet Earth or you know, not planet Earth, but Earth. And it was like, you know, like what's that all about? You know, like Party City

was going to be a really big deal, dude, you know. And so I started just following all of it, you know, through operation you know, fish Bowl and high Jump and paper Clip and then you know Warner von Braun. And one of the funny things was, before I'd even caught your other episode on Walt Disney, my daughter had actually made the connection between Walt Disney and Warner von Braun because like, she's kind of like my teammate.

As soon as I found out about flat Earth, dude, I was like, I took my daughter and I was like, babe, like you're never going to believe this, you know. I mean, and she's been, you know, really on this road with me some you know, but she she made that whole connection and she's like, Dad, they were making movies together. Was like, what you know, It's just it was just so much. And that's what's crazy, bro is I have not found a

rabbit hole yet that doesn't connect at some point. I've said that many times. Every every single rabbit hole connects to at least one other. Yeah, And I mean, if it's not the Masons or the Illuminati, or the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers or you know, the I mean it's just it. It's like at some point like, oh, there it is. It pops

up right there. And I don't know if it was you that I heard mention this, but you know, Joseph Smith was a free Mason, the guy who had started the Mormon Church, the Mormon Church, I mean, like so like, you know, I've always believed with all my heart, like if you were raised in Bible and raised Christian, there's no way you could ever even give a thought to Mormonism. Man, because he literally is acting like Jesus Christ returned to him and he was the only person that saw

him. And it says right there in the Bible that you know, let no man tell you of my coming. You know, all eyes will see, all needs will bend or you know, and yeah and bend, and all tongues will confess, you know. And so it's just amazing to me because you know, I've got family still and they're you know, they're all soaked in the morning religion. I've never had any I mean, they've never

even reached out to me. I have uncles and you know, grandparents that they've never spoken a word to me, just because my parents are Christian. You know, I mean, it's just amazing how you know, I guess when you're excommunicated, you're excommunicated, you know. Yeah, So you know, so podcast Why the Lie and that really hit home? Did it? Kind of? I guess it brought you know, all the things that you had talked about before, because just a couple of years before you had dealt

with the COVID, you were awake with nine eleven and everything else. So do you think it was easier to kind of accept understanding that all the other things that you know, the big stories through history have been lies. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, it's funny because you know, you know, I've heard you and others say like how they just lost sleep

for days when they found flat Earth. Rather, I was relieved. I never slept better in my life, man, I mean, just knowing that, like everything I had been told and seen, because you know, my dad actually went down to my elementary school and they tried to teach me evolution and tore them up up and down about just trying to teach me evolution. You know. So I've always been kind of a creationist at heart, you know, even though I didn't know what creation really was, you know,

just like reading Genesis, O, there's firmament. It must be one of those biblical words, and you just go past it. Yeah, and when you when you see these things, everything merges together. And again I've said this to so many people. It has made I understand the Bible so much better and just being able to see God's real creation, bro, Like it's just so beautiful. It's so beautiful, and it's just it makes sense.

Like you know, brother cliff Man, he talks about sometimes, oh, I'm not the best educated, and you know, I dropped out of high school and this and that, and I really do feel like I mean, I felt the same way I always struggled with with education, and it was I feel like that's kind of God keeping his children close to him in a

way where you know, I didn't. I never adopted any of this stuff like you could, like you know, you talk about how you can go up to people and ask him about the distance of the sun and the moon. You know, I just I never adopted any of that stuff in my heart as fact, I just didn't care about it. Just it was never

able to take seat in me. You know. I just always was like, Okay, whatever, it's all crazy we're spending, we're flying, we're moving, and you know, it's just okay, you know, and it was just I mean, for me, it really just brought peace to me, man, because it showed me that, you know, God's in control and God, you know, we are created with a purpose and we are

you know, the center of the universe. You know, the earth was you know, the most magical creation of all time, and you know, it just it really floored me that, you know, with all the discernment I had for stuff like JFK nine to eleven and this stuff, I was never able to dig in and uncover a lot of this, you know. And I think, and I think you speak volumes to that when you talk

about the design. I mean, you know, we're we're slaves in a new Roman empire, man, where you know, all we do is work, you know, five or six days a week, you know, nine to twelve hours a day. We have no time. We have no time to really you know, you're reacting to family, you reacting to life, You're reacting to everything, and it's like you don't have time to really have the discussions, you know, absolutely, And I remember growing up, dinner

table conversation was there, we didn't have the cell phone distractions. You know, I'm thinking maybe mid seventies, everybody had that the after dinner. My

dad would read from the Bible after dinner. And a lot of those traditions have gone by the wayside, partly because of the matrix, because now you know, in many families it requires mom and dad, I'm sorry, mom and dad to be working forty fifty sixty hours a week and you have when you think about it in retrospect, then again, I'm not you know, raising my kids that that was the drop you know, drop them off at daycare. Then they went to the public school. That that was part of

just the daily you know, that's how it went. But now in retrospect and now that I'm older and I'm able to I can homeschool with my youngest daughter, you realize the system that they have built is you know, they talk about I I having a brain cramp here, but basically, you know, give us your child and we'll create a basically a society that we can control. And that's part of the big push now that they have pre K because they understand that the younger that they get a hold of your child,

the more easily they can manipulate and indoctrinate. I know we use that word a lot here on this program that but that's really really what it is. And amen. And I've talked to so many preachers, and I said, do you understand, do you truly understand what a battle you're up against when

you get these children. You know, if you have a church that's say a Wednesday night service, and they get Sunday school and church just three hours, you know, a week, and then they send them off to to the public school systems where sometimes they're there, you know what, thirty thirty five hours a week. And you know that. And again, this is

not a teacher bash. There's so many great people who are teachers. But it's the system that has been hijacked and taken away from communities and we've gone We've talked to nauseam about the people who print the history books, and we know who writes history. And it's just it's a tricky predicament where we are in a system where it's very difficult to homeschool. And I think a lot of that is people are nervous about it, people are worried about it.

People I don't want my child to be the weird homeschool child. But I'm here to testify that out of all the decisions I've made in my life, that is one of the proud I'm very proud that I took the leap and I did that because now there's no excuses. Right, I'm the one that's molding my daughter's mind. Right, I can't blame it on the public school system. It's you know, I'm the one that's building her morals. And of course there's always going to be outside entities involved, right, the cell

phones, the TV, the movies. Right, you can't overprotect a child because that can backfire too. So you got to find that happy medium where you say, hey, this is how the world works, this is what we believe, and I truly believe if you are an example, not just a do as I say, not as I do type of parent, I think you have a better chance of success. No. No, I mean that's probably the best well put statement I've heard with that for sure in a

while. Man, Because you know my daughter, like you know, one thing that was amazing with her is just I mean, she has that kindred heart with Christ and she was given that spirit, like she's just got my heart, my discernment in her, and you know, one thing with you know, I read her like, you know, the Children's Bible when she was a real, real small baby and stuff like that. But as she got older, I didn't never I just didn't want her to. I never

pushed my music, my beliefs or anything on her. And I told her, like, you know, I was like, here's all I want you to do, baby girl. I was like, I want you to, you know, call out to Christ and just open up a discussion with him and just a former relationship with him and just let him do the work. And she found Christ on her own, I mean literally through all the stuff

that she saw within our family. You know, I had a little bit of a cancer scare probably four or five, six years ago, and I'm sorry, the time flies in the post office, so it's crazy, but you know, I had gone into the doctor and they found out that, you know, I had a massively enlarged prostate and you know I could tell. I mean, the doc, you know, they thought it was cancerous, you know, and so they were going to be running this blood work, and you know, I came home and at the time, my daughter

was going through a really hard time. I mean, they really were forcing the hole. I mean it was crazy how fast the whole LGBTQ thing blew up in her elementary even let alone when she got into middle school, and you know, she came home one day and she was like, Dad, you know, I think I'm lesbian. I mean, I wanted to just she know, and like slam the hand of God on her, but I just, you know, I told her. I was like, I was like, daughter, there's nothing you're ever going to do that's going to make

me stop loving you. I was like, you know, but I know, in the bottom of my heart, I know who you are, and I know that's not you, you know, and I just want you, you know. And I told her, I was like, do me a favor. I was like, don't accept any label. You know, don't label yourself lesbian or pen whatever or you know, just there's what one hundred thousand of them now. Yeah, but I was like, you don't take

one of those labels. I was like, just, you know, I want you to watch with your own eyes of how these people work and how they treat each other. And they did all the work for me. I mean, she was in this one group and they were like the hardcore little pride group and they were all about her when she was, you know, thinking she was lesbian, but then she was like, well maybe I'm bisexual. And then she started dating a boy and they all turned on her like

a pit of snakes. Dude, that's crazy. It was like it was like even though she agreed with them, you know what I mean, Like she agreed with everything, and it was like just because she wasn't on the wrong side of it at that point, they just completely I mean they diffused themselves. For me, dude, I'd had to do no work with that, and she has like totally one hundred percent distanced yourself away from those people. And it's awesome. That's amazing. But and it is truly amazing.

But with that being said, the first question that pops in my mind as you're telling that story is where do those other children get that mentality from? Right, the ones, Yeah that befronted her and then ostracized. Is it from the parents, Is it from the TV? Is it from the cell

phone? Well? What they think it was all of it combined. You know, one of her friends was identifying as a boy at the time, and it was, and you know, she was a girl, and you know, I allowed her to hang out and we I think it was like her birthday party, and we went and dropped her off and I met the parents, and I mean you could tell, like the parents were just totally cool with it. You know, they had their little Pride flag and their

BLM stuff and everything. And I mean I'm thinking to myself, like, oh my god, dude, like you know, what am I even bringing my daughter into here? You know? But again, I just I didn't want to be that guy to just destroy everything she wanted to do, you know, and so I just I really put it up to God, man, and uh, you know, she was able to see all of that

for what it was. But oh man, I mean the way that the really the Internet is probably one of the hardest proponents of that, where I mean every single you know, TikTok and Facebook and Instagram thing, it was like it's all either you know, only fans or something crazy like that or LGBTQ transgender stuff, you know, And you know, it was like, you know, back in my day, you know, I had friends that I had like one or two friends through my life that were gay, and

I never judged them for it, you know that it was their life, and I just prayed for him and I said, cool, you know, like you do you And that's how our country was for the longest time. I mean, there was never any you know, people walking down the street with burning steaks trying to kill all the gay people, you know, or you know. It was like even racism, it just didn't exist like it did in today's culture. I mean, did I grew up half I mean

I don't. I could barely count the number of white friends I had on my hand, dude. I mean, I grew up in a very mixed culture community. A lot of my friends were you know, Spanish or Mexican or black or whatever, and we never looked at any of that. We just didn't, you know. And so I could instantly see the way society just started drawing that riff between and it was just it was like it was

just night and day. Man. I could not believe how parents and teachers and everybody were just bowing down to this ideology and just you know, not even trying to combat it at all. You know. It was like, oh, we just we gotta you know, we gotta be compassionate. And endure and just you know, be open minded. And it's like, you know, you're looking at twenty twenty. I mean, the liquor stores on my route were still open yea, because they're essential, but the churches on

my route had to close their doors. Yep, you know, and I'm going, do you not see, like what's happening here? Like every company on the Fortune five hundred stock market is open, but anybody else was closed. They're getting imprisoned fore been trying to open their doors, right, you know. I mean it was just, you know, and that's where all that anger came from during twenty twenty, because I was watching the devil work

just right in front of my eyes every day. I mean, people trapped in their cars and some of them would have a mask on with a face shield. I'm thinking, like what the hell, you know, like come on, man, I mean, it was just it was a hard pill to swallow, and it really started, you know, but that's all what

really led me to where I was. And you know that prayer that really I mean, God showed me his creation firsthand, and that dream and flatter earth just it brought it all right back to where it needed to be and it was like as soon as I saw that, I went back into the Book of Genesis and it was just like it was like reading a children's book. At that point. It was like everything just made so much sense. It was like the waters were just clear, you know, and it was,

I mean, just so powerful, man, and so powerful. And with that being said, we're coming down to our last ten to fifteen minutes. I wanted to ask you, and then I still wanted you to talk a little more about flat Earth, But have you looked at all into the April eighth event and havent do you have any thoughts on that? Can you refresh me with it in the eclipse? Oh, the one that's coming up,

Yeah, in April eighth. Yeah, you know, you know it's funny that you mentioned that because I just had something pop up this morning on

that again. And you know, I mean, I I so Matthew twenty four is that's my that's my scripture, man, and I believe that we have been living in Matthew twenty four for shoot the last eight years, dude, And you know every time, like I've even showed my daughter and my wife like like I'll read them Matthew twenty four and they can see right there, like you know, the fam and the pestilence is like all of that, you know, and Matthew twenty four to nine, it's like you should

be hated of all nations for my namesake, you know. And I mean I don't think we're I don't think we've seen the full role out of the persecution with that, With that audio that you played from Trudeau and the fact that we're able to really have these discussions and all these groups that I'm seeing on Facebook, I think you know it's it's coming soon, man, when we're we're about to get slapped in the face pretty hard with this stuff,

and our our rights and our freedoms are going to be treaded on like nothing else, like nothing we've ever been able to fathom in our lives. Man. And you know, not to put fear out there. I mean, God doesn't give us the spirit of fear. But you know, one thing the Holy Spirit really put on my heart today was just to speak about division. Have you ever heard about Ron Wyatt? I sounds familiar, but I can't uge to it was he's a let me get to my notes real quick.

He's a he's a he was a nurse and an archaeologist, but he's a Seventh Day Adventist and this is the guy that he literally found Sodom and Gomora, the original location. Amora and brother. They're pulling out balls of brimstone out of this place that are ninety eight percent pure. I mean, even the stuff we mine on Earth are out of volcanoes is only thirty to thirty five percent. I mean you can just see. I mean, it's it's just it's all frozen in time on this documentary where you can just see

the ash in these cities that are just frozen in ash. And it goes into you know, the Red Sea crossing, and you know, the map in the Bible doesn't even give the true location of that crossing. But through this documentary he uses scripture and you can see the way. I mean,

it's like it's just another little part of the sea. And when they go there, I mean, dude, they're underwater, I mean one hundred and thirty eight feet below the sea and there and there there's chariot wheels and there's axles, and I mean they found skulls and rib cages and even horse hoofs and there's not even horses in that region. I mean it was so mind blowing. And then they came across Elam Elam is where Jesus led the Israelites,

you know, and it's it's that little oasis in the death. I mean, you can go on Google Earth right now and search that and you will. It's like a little oasis in the middle of the desert that's frozen in time. There's still twelve wells. I mean, just like it says in the Bible. I mean, how does a book written thirty five hundred

years ago speak to something that still exists right now? You can see with your own eyes on Google Earth. You know, the Rock of Horror where you know, Moses struck the rock and God split it to provide water to

the Israelites. I mean, it's there and you can see it with your own eyes, and it's just like, you know, one thing they'd speak about in this documentary is like none of this information, this stuff was found back in the nineties and it was never even I mean, there should be thousands of archaeologists down here doing all kinds of research, and nobody's there.

Like it's just nobody's there. It's like they and that's kind of where, like, you know, the division of the Christian community is really something that I've been trying to speak out to in some of these groups because it's like, you know, the devil uses division to divide us, you know, obviously, and but like you know, when when when I see stuff like this, and like the only reason they discredit this man is because he believes that the Sabbath is on Saturday and not Sunday. I mean, he still

believes in Christ, he still believes in God, the whole book. He just has a different view of it, you know. And it's like a lot of these Christian groups I get into, they're like, oh, the Holy Trinity, there's no Holy Trinity, there's no Holy Spirit, and this and that, and I'm like, you know, do you really think that the Bible was left here for us so we could just nitpick it and argue

amongst about ourselves. I mean, at the end of the day, if you've got Christ, man, you're saved, and that's all that matters, you know. And it's like we're sitting here just nitpick and all this just different stuff. I Mean, I have been in groups about the Book of Enoch and I'll try to mention something. I mean, I posted up a whole thing about how Enoch literally proves flat Earth and they didn't even approve my post, you know, and I'm like, what the hell you know?

I mean, it's just and and that's something that I do want to come back and do a show on at some point. Is all that. But you know, this is where the Holy Spirit put me today, man, And and I love it, dude, but really what he wanted me to speak on was just division. And you know, we're so divided through religion and race and everything right now. The government that they're you know, the

narrative that they're putting out to us. And when I go on these flat earth groups, it's like that anybody who will come on that you know, believes in the globe with a question, all they get slammed with is oh, another globe tard, a brainwashed idiot, you know. And it's likest gods were the guy at one point anyway, right exactly. And it's like, man, we've got to be able to meet these people with the with compassion. You know. It's do unto others as you have them do unto

you, you know. And I think if we can all just take a step back and just live a little bit more christ Like and just say, you know, what would Jesus do? You know? I mean if I was someone new to Flat Earth and I just started having some questions and I went into one of those groups, I probably would have been pushed away so fast just because of the negativity and the hatred that they're spewing out at these people, you know. And you know, and I get it, you

know, you get your trolls in any group and stuff like that. It's just as easy to not pick up the rope and just scroll right past them, you know. And I think we all need to do a little bit of a better job. And I hope anybody who's hearing this out of my voice understands that I'm not trying to judge anybody. You know, the Holy Spirit really put it on my heart to talk about this. It's just we've

got to stop the division. I mean, we've got this beautiful community and you know them, it's like Christ, okay, when I mean he literally chose thieves and gamblers and murderers as his disciples, and it's it's you know, he tried to show I mean, that's what he was essentially doing when he went out to the Egyptians and all these peoples, he was showing them

that his love and compassion extends to all of them, you know. And you had the whole Synagogue of Satan, the false Jews that they wanted all that knowledge for themselves, you know, they didn't want anybody else else to have that, you know, that God knowledge. And Christ literally was like, no, like that. You know, that's not what I'm about, you know. And so I think, you know, you know, we

we need to just kind of take a step back as a society. And you know, even when you run into someone that's you know, even LGBTQ, I mean, just meet him with compassion, you know, meet him with with love and if and pray for him and if if you know, if you don't agree, you don't agree. But we got to just stop. The hatred is causing more division in every single community that I look into, And it breaks my heart, man, because that's I mean, the

devil wins the day at that point. And the more that we're divided when this stuff does start to roll out, the easier it's going to be for them to just stomp on us. Yeah, And if you look at the divisiveness of twenty twenty, I honestly believe, like you said earlier, what's coming is going to be tenfold of what we saw in twenty twenty. So absolutely, And you know it's like, I mean, are you are you? Are you not going to go to heaven because you believe in the Holy

Trinity? Are you not going to go to heaven because you know you're a Seventh day Adventist or you still go to church on Sunday? I mean absolutely not. Man, if you've got Christ in your heart and you're there with it, you're saved. You know, there's nothing for us to worry about. So it's great. You know, knowledge can be, you know,

a beautiful thing, but it can also be a very hindering thing. And if we start, I mean, we all talk so much about the Illuminati and how they are so you know, they feel like they're so above us. But to come out of something I mean you're talking about like you know, I mean, yeah, we all know that there's pagan stuff to stuff like Christmas and Easter and all this stuff, and it's like that's all great knowledge to have, But I'm not going to divide my family and deprive my

kid of Christmas. I mean, I feel like if we're celebrating Christmas but yet we're doing it in Jesus' name and the birth of Christ, we're smiting their whole entire little pagan and ritual right there, you know. And the same with Easter. I mean, these kids don't know about you know, painting eggs and you know, fertility. I mean, if that's what they want to do, as long as you're celebrating christ resurrection, I mean you're

just you're you're diminishing anything that they want to put into it. Anyways. And again, I don't look down on anybody for if they want to do it or not. I'm just saying, like, don't let these be the catalysts that drive more division than your families. You know. Like even with truth. I mean, my wife, like she she gets it on a lot of stuff, and there's stuff that she just doesn't want to hear. And I don't push it, man. I mean, this is all our

journey. My truth is my truth, you know, and your truth is your truth and this journey if you can't let it. I mean I heard about a guy who he literally got divorced from his wife because she couldn't accept the truth. It's like, well, don't shove it down her throat, man, Like she can go on her whole life never know in any of this. But if she has price, she's good. That's right, you

know. Spot On well said. And I was a guest on a podcast a couple of weeks ago or a YouTube channel, and I kind of lamented the same thing where I think I was asked, kind of where do you

see the truth community as a whole? And I say, I think we should kind of tone back the divisiveness, right, And I think the example I used was, you know, we all know nine eleven was an inside job, but you look in the comments section and said, you know, this tool actually thinks that there was planes that day, and just you know, people get divisive over the details, and the fact of the matter is, we don't know for sure. All of these things are hypothesis. We

do know as a fact that the official story is BS. So to you know, that just hinders the work of the truth community. And it's okay to have discussions about it that they can be healthy, right, you know, a little round table discussion, But when it becomes divisive and and you know, it destroys the community. That's where you need to take a step back and say, hey, you know, what's the bigger picture. What

are we trying to accomplish here? And it should be you know, first and foremost from my perspective, is spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ number two and this is escalated you know, flat Earth. The longer I've been doing it, the more I realize how this is keeping God away from people. And it's a huge lie. And another thing that people don't realize is that these people are part of the military industrial complex, the same people who are

causing pain and suffering around the world. These contracts are given to the same people that build artillery and tanks and everything else. And you know, I'm not this crazy liberal. I'm just a person who's grown up and understands both sides are corrupt. You know, there's an evil entity that is trying to persuade you to, you know, adhere to worldly things and not worry about that other stuff, because you know, this was created by a big bang.

You came from a monkey, and we live on a ball hurtling through space that's fourteen billion years old. So when you break down the truth, you realize the world we do live in. And if we get enough people to understand that just those three basic things, I do believe, as they say, a great veil will fall from mankind's eyes. Now, amen, brother, you couldn't say it any better. Man. Well, it's been just a tremendous interview, and again I'd love to bring you back and discuss

more things. I still have more questions. I would like to actually talk about Columbine because that time of year is coming up. You know, it's a little darker subject, but the occult April nineteenth to May first is a very big time of year for them. You look at April nineteenth with Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine was April twentieth, very interesting time of year. And with everything that's going on on the world stage, as we say, you know, keep your head on a swivel. But then again, if

you follow Jesus Christ, you shouldn't. I mean, as humans, we worry. Right, It's one thing to say I don't worry, but we have children and families. We do worry. But I think absolutely, you know, it takes a little bit of the stress off. So again, thank you, Matt, for having us and I will give you the final word. Yeah. You know, I just again to everybody in the in

the community. I love you guys as brothers and sisters. And you know, if you're dealing with anything, you know, with addiction or anger or anything, you know, I definitely recommend you know, Cliff's podcast Truth to Faith as well. He helps, I mean just amazingly extensively with that kind of stuff too. But you know, reach out to me, man. I mean, I would love to just talk or pray with you guys or

whatever we have to do, you know. And you know, I mean John eight thirty two, I mean, you know, the truth will set us free, you know what I mean. I mean, we will know the truth and the truth will make us free. And you know, just remember, you know, we're all stuck in this together and we just got to help, you know, be fistures of men. You know, we got to really find a way to just keep Christ as the focus on everything that we do. Amen to that, and I appreciate you putting that on

there. I'll put cliffs link in the show notes the Truth to Faith podcast, and I think I gotta look on my board. Yeah. March thirtieth. I'm going to be on his podcast again. I don't word when it's going to drop it. I'll be back on Oh happy birthday man. But I'll find that link. I know he's on Apple and he's on podtail and a few other things. I'll make sure I get a link on there. So again for Matt, thank you all as always for your continued support and

your emails and your kind words. And I know there's a lot of people. We still get emails from people who are on the fence, and they get questions from family and friends that are not sure about Listen. We will never have all the answers, and the scientists you know, and those folks they will tell you that they have all the answers, but so will we use car salesman. So remember that. Anyway, let's close on that. For Matt. I'm George, God bless you all. Keep your head on

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