The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds you well. We have a great guest standing by and she'll be joining us in just a moment. Before we kick things off, just a couple of quick housekeeping notes first and foremost. If you'd like to join the show, just like Christina is today, shoot us an email.
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Bomby is our guest today, Christina. Christina, how are you. I'm good. I'm good. It's snow on the ground a little bit right now, so yeah, balmy probably teens. Yeah, it's that that part of the world you know, I was in northern New York. It was cold, but I imagine your your winners run pretty much through what mid April? Would you say? I would say sometimes it's towards even May. We've had our major snow was just before May first a few times. So yeah.
Nice. Well, before we get into you know, the flat earth conversation and all the rabbit holes, why don't you take a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience. Well, okay, I'm Christina. I was born in Germany, naturalized in California. Most of my childhood I lived in the Cascades in Graham's Pass, Oregon, and most of my adulthood here in Wyoming. I was in the Army for six and a half years as a medical supply specialist. Lived in Germany with that and Huntsville, Alabama, and NASA
was there. I had a friend actually that worked for NASA, and I had a friend that worked as an engineer and Boeing, and yeah, I kind of got the NASA bug back back then. When I was in the Army, I got to go to Desert Shield, Desert Storm, and that was an interesting small part of my life and nothing anything that other soldiers went through, you know, with Iraq and the golf Ward or anything like that.
But sitting listening to AFN, listening to see when they were going to get Saddam Hussein, and they never did, And I had kind of a a gut feeling about that, and I knew something was wrong because they didn't get them. You know, I don't know if anybody else would you know, think about that, but well, you know a lot of veterans are starting to kind of think the way we are right. I remember, I was in the National Guards at the time. I didn't go active till the
mid nineties. I did five years in the Guards and then when active for twenty. But we went to Fort Dix to train, and I remember like one of the guys from the Iraq envoy and one of the guys from the US envoy. They would meet and we were just hoping that they could come to agreement and there wouldn't be war. And every time they came out, there was no agreement reached. And yeah, Desert Storm was really weird. We ended up getting there I think two days before it, maybe like January
the fifteenth of nineteen ninety one. My dad actually left two weeks prior on Christmas Day, which that's what the army does. They're all about inconveniencing you the most that they can, right, I'm sure you know that really well. But my dad was at KKMC. I was at Daharan by Kobar, the air base, and we were I was an engineer at the time, so we were charge of security maintenance. I mean, it was just you name it. We were like the Joe Plumber of Kobar Towers. We did
do a little traveling. I actually did get to see my dad in KKMC, which was how many people get to say they met their dad in combat somewhere. Well, I used combat loosely because like for us, the most part was scud alert and sirens and you'd wait for the scuds to land. You'd be in MOP four for hour, sweating, you know, wearing the chemical suits. It was really different. But you're right, after all that effort to just stop and say, ah, we'll get them next time,
right, none of it made sense. And as quickly as we were rolling them up too, it was effortless. Well. I was stationed in KKAMC also for with a thirty second med song, so in a wati which I don't understand why we were like, you know, tents and a wattie. It didn't make sense to me. It did flood a couple times in the tent and then the big sands orbs and stuff like that. So but then I think my uh, my journey or as one of my friends would say,
my desert experience or my wilderness experience got me closer to God. During that time, I was afraid of the dark a lot, and that just trusting a God, starting to trust in him back then, and my journey from then to now just amazing things. Amazing things in my life. I you know, bumped and scraped along all along the way. You know, I have two divorces. I didn't think I was worthy of God's love through a lot of that, but a lot of believers in my path helped me
to understand, you know, just amazing. And when I sent you my email, I was thinking about how just knowing about flat Earth and you know, I know it's not like a pancake or you know, just that whole you know that picture of just it's not Yeah, and I just amazing how God loved us so much, you know, he gave us his only begotten son, you know, Jesus Christ, you know, which is amazing and we need to honor Jesus Christ for that and thank God for that amazing gift.
But just knowing that God made this earth, you know, it's unlimited resources. It's I was approached by the company called Tallgrass and and they wanted to tap into my land. I have a few acres and they wanted to do our carbon What is it carbon dioxide or what is it carbon emissions? Or are they pumping into the ground? And I'm like no. I sent an email. I said, you know, we we live on plant life.
We give plant life carbon. We we are carbon beings. Uh, it's just trying to steal that away from us and put it in the ground. It's just absurd to me. So yeah, it's like, not a scathing email, but just what are you dumb? That's good and it's important that we stand up for our beliefs. Uh. You know, so many times we feel overwhelmed and sometimes we can take the mentality of oh what difference
will it make? Well if enough people, you know, do something like that, that, people, you know, they will back down here in our community, in our county. They were trying to raise our property taxes through the roof, and everybody, I mean everybody was on them. And just today this afternoon we got the letter they're barely raising them. So you
know, there is power in numbers, there really is. And just look at what's going on in the world now with all the craziness that the what do they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil and the evil people are the ones that are making all the noise. Now, that's why they kind of have an upper hand. That's kind of the way I see it. Going back to Saudi Arabia. Excuse me, you said you were at KKMC. You know a lot of people I don't remember if it was they to
keep the dust down. They were spraying either diesel or kerosene. I can't remember which one it was because my dad actually testified August fourteenth, nineteen ninety five at the Desert Storm the little Presidential UH Committee for Desert Storm Syndrome. Do you remember that them spring like kerosene or diesel to keep the dust down this audience, I don't remember. But you know, as a woman, I we didn't get to go see like out outside or anything. We were
kind of stuck on our on our on the compound there. Yeah, yeah, and we couldn't drive or anything, so there was I was limited on what I saw. I do remember they gave us only two bullets really, you know, yeah, for war, and I'm like, uh, what, so I'm gonna shoot in Iraqi and then myself. I guess that's how it's going to roll, you know. Or you could be like the who was the guy who shot Kennedy? I'm having a brain cramp here, Lee
Harvey Oswald. You know, one bullet hits three people? Can you just maybe there were magic bullets and you just didn't know it well, you know, I yeah, I didn't get I when I was in the military, I my first duty station was Germany and I went, you know, I grew up there. I got to see my grandparents, I got to see some family. But when I was there for four years, it they just didn't make sense. In the military, I didn't. I worked for a
medical unit. I actually worked for the blood Bink and launched all and there was a lot of decisions that they made. And I was just an E two, you know, well, yeah, E two, and then I became an E three and and I would question even the commander and my first sergeant, and I know, you know, it was pretty much close to in subordination. But it was like that, oh yeah, Off was a sergeant first class. He embarrassed me in front of the unit with because I
gained weight and stuff like that. So and not not to rehash that, you know, I've forgiven all those people, but just the the way things were run. And now I look back at it, and I'm like, it just wasn't just like they're at uh for the unit. Uh you know, medical supply, I don't. I just didn't get a lot of things. And uh, I think my questioning began even before I wasn't even in
the army. My childhood was not the greatest. I was abused at ford Ord by my stepdad's uncle, and so my my life I was running the little streets of ford Or at four years old, knocking on neighbors doors. I wouldn't want to stay in my house. And so the military just from the get go never really treated me right. You know, my parents. You know, I felt betrayed, and that's where my trust in God was. It was hard for a long time to even I believed in him.
But I never really trusted him, and I didn't trust people in the military, and I might have been like a rebel and close to end subordination, but you know, it's like, hey, why are we doing this? What's going on? And you know, they went't answer those questions, so it's just yeah. And then speaking the military and childhood, the vaccinations, I'm going to tell you, I know I suffered from the vaccination. And I don't know if I I never had children, so I don't know if
that's part of that. But when I was a kid, I was about seven years old and we went back overseas with my dad, my stepdad, because he was in the army. And I remember I hurt so bad, and my mother thought it was just in my head. She's like, you
know, you're just making too much of it. And I had the bus driver we lived in Oregon, out in the country, and had the bus driver drive like it was about four or five miles away from the bus stop, and he kind of got caught in the driveway and he was backing up and backing up and backing up, and my mother was so embarrassed, and you know, it's like the bus driver stuck, and yeah, it was just but the vaccinations. When I was in the arm me, I ended
up in the hospital. Wow. Just yeah, So with the COVID stuff, I did not do that. And then I got in trouble with my my bosses because I wouldn't wear the mask. So wow, you were really Uh did your what did your coworkers think? Were they like, well, look at her go? Or were they like, oh, my gosh, you're going to kill us. No, well they were kind of like, yeah, look at her go. But they wore the mask. You know. Even my my Bible Felt Home Fellowship believers put on the mask and some
of them even took the backs. And I'm like, you know, I h but I prayed and I know that in the word Jesus Christ said that you know, no poison will harm you. You know, you can take up snakes. And I'm not a snake charmer, but you know, I'm not like, I'm not going to go out and find a rattlesnake on my property. But but I do believe God's word and I just pray that they're
okay. I've seen on video, you know, on YouTube, and I just recently went to seminar well, a conference with my boyfriend and a couple of women said how much those affected them, you know, the shots, but they had to take them because they were in the medical field. And I just looked at him like, oh wow, you know, just yeah me. I stood up in front of my CEO. I said, I'm not going to wear the mask. And they wanted medical information of your vaccination
and I'm like, I'm not doing that. And so she looks at me like I'm disrespecting her, but I'm like, you know, I'm standing up for what I believe in. And then she stated that we have to lose our liberties to protect the population. I'm like, what, that's absurd. You know, that's when you fire back with the little Benjamin Franklin quote that
that you know, and this is what frustrates me. Everybody thinks that, you know, everybody's going to go to the voting machines this November and everything's going to be just perfect, back back to nineteen fifties, Wally Wally and Beaver Cleaver, and you know, they still haven't even fixed the problem from four years ago, which just amazes me. And I know that the people
on the right aren't good hearted people. The people who believe that like the voting is going to fix everything, and that is once again, you're treating the symptoms. You're not getting to the root of the problem. And people need to stop everything they're doing and understand how far how far into the do do the proverbial dodo that we are really in And COVID was such a disgrace
to our country. How closing churches was okay, how Amazon and Walmart staying open was okay, but the mom and pop stores had to close things like you know, putting on masks and everything. Just the whole thing was a giant psychological, psychological warfare operation. And again we just keep well, it'll never happen again. You just wait till November. And it's always at some point you need to put your foot down and you know, stand in your
convictions. And it's really refreshing to hear everything that you did, because obviously I'm assuming at some point where they may be nonverbally threatening, like you could
lose your job if you didn't comply. Well, they actually put me on a night shift, so I went and exposed the there people and I laugh at it because you know, they did an alternate alternative or how an alternative shift when I was still there during the part of the day, and I'm like, and put me in the back room and and so I just I just pretty much because I needed the job. And I'm like, well, maybe they're just trying to help me. But I'm also I fought with my
boss, you know. She she had me tell the people, you need to wear the mask. And this was I quit the job for two months, and it's kind of a weird deal. But before I quit, and she's like, you know, tell your people they need to wear a mask. And I'm like no, and oh, we not on that. And I'm like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not wearing it. So I'm not expecting my people to do that. And what's funny is when we first started with all this covid BS, I was still going to work.
People were locked down. People in Colorado were locked down. I'm like, I'm going to work. I don't care they If they tell me don't come to work, then you know whatever. But I went to work and I busted my butt to keep stuff running for our department. And then one day my boss calls because she was under lockdown, and she's like, so are you all wearing the mask? And I'm like no, and she's like,
well, there's somebody that was exposed to COVID. And I'm like, well, well, you know, it's okay, We'll be all right. You know, I didn't get sick, and the people in the in the department didn't gets sick, and I think the whole fear of factor, you know, then people started started getting sick, not just because the mask being all over their mouth and they're breathing their own breath making themselves sick. There's a couple of women that were they're still coughing and still hacking, and it's
like, you know, this is what caused this. And then I actually lost a believer, a brother in Christ. I think it was September. I think it was twenty one. It's been a while. But other believers called me at work and they said, well, he's gone, and they tried to tell me what happened a little bit, and he went to the hospital. And I think it was during that time when they did the protocol
for remdives of beer and you know, innovation in the respiratory. You know, I don't know, I don't know for sure, but my gut is that they killed him. And and then another sister in Christ that worked with me, she was so fearful of getting COVID. And you know that's that's the lie that the devil has given us, you know, from the beginning, and with Adam and E you know you shall live. You know, how did he say that he lied to us? Not to us, but to them. You know, you shall surely not die, right, So
people are so fearful of dying. Look at these elites, what they you know, what they call the elites. Those people are afraid of dying. And you know, I've I've watched videos on a dream of chrome and all the stuff that's going on, and and look at that what's his name, schap schwab or Yeah, you know you'll eat bugs, yeah, and you'll be happy, you know. Yeah, Well your freaking Nazi mfort. You know, I get so mad. And and I've I've been trying not to
watch a lot of videos. I've actually listened to your podcast, like Binge Binge listened to your podcast. Last few months, I haven't really watched I used to watch and we know that LT Guy and I loved watching those just to catch up with what's going on. Sure, but there's a little bit of hopium, you know that they that he gives and other people, and I'm you're right, Trump is not the answer. God is the answers. Not He's not gonna save us, and nobody's gonna save us. God,
Jesus Christ saved us. And our hope is Christ's return, you know, and the hope of being with God. I'm not saying that, you know, I'm not a you know, I am a pre trib kind of person. I believe that. But I also know that we need to live, and we need to live because God promised in his words that he were supposed to live in health and prosper you know, that's in John first. I think first John. So you know, I golm onto the promises of God and I live life. You know, I work, I unfortunately have to
pay taxes and all the other stuff. But I'm gonna, you know, stand up for what I believe in, and I'm not going to back down, especially on God's word. I did join a Convention of States group a volunteer, so I mean, I don't know how good that's going to happen. Right now, I'm kind of turned off by it because they're sending a lot of email saying please send us money. Yes, I went to one of those meetings too, and I get text all the time, and I
think, again, it's it's good hearted people who mean well. But I don't think it's going to be It won't be successful. They won't you know, the people at the top won't allow it to be successful at the end of the day. But again, great people. Yeah, and I I've listened to your podcasts on you know, just voting. I kind of am turned off of that. I don't think it matters. You know, I think we pray, you know, you have to pray, and I believe
that prayer, prayer does change things. And you know, in your local communities, you know, stand up, you know, stand up, go to the you know, we just had our legislation going on at the at the state capitol. And if you have something that you need to, you know, change, go talk to your representatives. That's the only way that we can change things. And you know all this, you know, the bug thing, and you know, I I'm not gonna lay down for these
people. I'm amazed at how Germany and in China and all these countries laid down, you know. They they joined, they they stepped on to the trains, you know. And I I don't know if all of that's true, but my family is from there, so we get the understanding with the term though. Absolutely they got on the train, right. Yeah. And you're where at the point now you you either you know, live on your feet or down on your knees. And I'm just at the point now.
I don't want anything to do, you know, with the with the federal government. I'm very much involved with state and local. I send an email to my governor about every other week. The one I and I think every one I send is a little more. I don't want to use the term aggressive because I don't want to come off like I'm trying to be a tough guy. But the one I sent yesterday was very much blunt and to the
point. Because I can tolerate things when it comes to adults, but when it comes to children, I get very upset, very upset, and sometimes my fingers pound the keyboard and I have to stop and reread things and say, well, maybe I shouldn't send the governor of Delaware this, maybe I should adjust it to this. But you know this transagenda that we have a hospital here in Wilmington, Delaware that will give the children the puberty puberty blockers
at ten and they'll start the surgeries at twelve. And I'm in a state that condones that. And I am a very hard, very firm believer in if you allow evil to take place, then I don't like to say you're just as guilty because you're not the person actually doing it, But you know, kind of what do you call it when you help someone? Like an
accomplice? Almost? Right? So I let my leaders, my two senators, my reps, and my governor know all the time how I feel about what's going on here, because morally, right, you have to have morals. And I think that's the one thing that we don't have in this country is we don't the compass you know in the movies where the compass just is
spinning all over the place. That that's like our country right now. We have no morals and we're flying by the seat of our pants, and everybody is making decisions based on what they think, not what is you know, written in a book that is thousands and thousands of year old. You know, the Bible obviously, right, what are your thoughts on that? Well? I agree with that, and I think that you know this, this
world is evil. I've I've been reading God's word again over, you know, from Genesis, because you know, with the whole it blew my mind. But also I figured that it was it was less like knowing, so so like from the beginning and when I I don't know where I heard it might have been and we know with Dave flat Earth day and just blew my mind about flatter Earth. And but before that was what is his name?
The on the Way to the Moon. Yes, watching his videos and listening to him and being interviewed, and I like, and it just clicked with the Tower of Babble and how God doesn't want us to go any further, you know he stopped that, and and then it clicked with with latter Earth. It was like you know, your ham radio operator check this, like how does the signal? And I learned you know about how the signal goes off the trop is topes sphere, Trump, It's it's Thursday. I worked
hard today. But you know, bouncing off the stratosphere and all that and the clouds, and so how does that happen when you're Earth and you're communicating like say Australia, you know, how do you communicate all the way or even South America? You know you're and then it's like, wait a minute, those signals can't just bounce off all the way down on the other side of the Earth. That doesn't you can't. It doesn't work that way.
So just being a hammer radio operator on that and then communicating to always wanted to communicate to the astronauts with my radio. And I heard you on a podcast on that and I'm like, yeah, that doesn't It just doesn't make
sense. And then recently I watched one of the elon Musk's rockets and how how it like broke apart and then that that big lights or whatever it was just kind of it hit the firmament, and I'm like, you know what they're doing, And I know they're probably down in or down there, I go, but they're at an Antarctica, the of the military and the elites, and they're trying to bust through the firmament and they know, they know the secret, they know what's going on, and they're trying to and I
think and just I just read Revelation again and I think that's going to be the cause for the falling stars, for the moon turning, you know, blood red and all the things. It's going to hit the fan like nobody's business but my hope. And it's in Thessalonians that when Jesus Christ comes to gather us the dead in Christ first and the alive, the ones that are alive in Christ, He's going to gather us before all of that hits the fan, because God promised that we would not suffer the wrath, and that's
in the word of God. So so I have that hope. Not that I want to leave the sarf like ha ha, you know, but I want people to be saved, and my heart is for and I'm trying just you know, speak the word. Fortunately, my boyfriend believes in God. He believes in the same thing on that that sense. So anyway, you know, it's interesting you mentioned Tesla. I think just yesterday somebody sent me an email and I apologize, I don't have it in front of me the
person's name. But if you look at the logo for Tesla, it almost looks like a hammer or something trying to break through the firmament. So you have like the firmament and then the tea kind of going up into it. Oh yeah, my boyfriend thinks it looks like an ied Oh geez, seeing the military too. No, he I always tend to well, my first husband was military, but my second husband was not. And my boyfriend right now isn't so cool? Very good? Yeah, yeah, you mentioned that.
Yeah, the flat earth is recent. You've only been a flat earther for say four or five months, right, Yeah, And you mentioned your long trip to Long Beach. Do you want to talk about that. Yeah, was a business trip with my boss, and I'm sitting in kind of on where I love the window seat. I like looking out, and usually flights by take or during the dark, so I don't get to see like the horizon exactly or by chance, I don't get to sit by the window.
So this time it was during the day and I'm taking copious pictures and I'm like, yeah, you know what, You're right, it's not a curve, it's not. And I'm just amazed, like how people cannot see that, Like you're up thirty thousand feet and you know, and also the plane didn't nose down every few miles, it didn't, you know, how you can feel that when they're descending. They didn't do that. So they're flying straight from Dunbar to Long Beach, California. So where's the curve?
Where's that accommodation as it were. Do you think they're starting to get a little bit nervous because just a couple of weeks ago they were doing the Moon landing with this American company, which by the way, there was no video. In nineteen sixty nine, they were talking to the president, they had it on TV for everybody in the world to watch. And in twenty twenty four they're just told, hey, we landed on the Moon. Just take
our word for it. And then of course the solar flare nonsense. Do you think they're a little concerned, because I do believe that, even just within the last four years, the stigmatism of flat Earth has led up a little bit. What are your thoughts. I'm not fearful about how they might come after us, you know, as because people are. I mean, I'm amazed at the app and seeing how many people are actually believing it, and I don't know, I think that they might be afraid. I worked
for dish network EchoStar, and I send up the satellites. Now that I look at it, I'm like, well, you know, yeah, I don't know the truth is coming out, but they might look. Shoot, they have what seventy five million people in the that were like a threat, were you know, like the Trump supporters. And I'm not a Trump supporter. I used to be, but you know, I think they'll just try to fact check us and try to you know, debunk us. But we
know the truth. And I think the more of us that talk about it and try to get you know, And I said in my email, it's harder. I think it's hard on both fronts of convincing people about God and Jesus Christ. I think it's also hard to convince people flatter. And I'm amazed that, you know, I wasn't. This is when I was still listening to Bert Chabrell and his interviews and all. And this was a couple of years ago, and I'm in the back of the car. We're going
to home fellowship. I was writing with some believers and we you know, have like what they call believers meeting, and it's Sunday morning or sometimes it was a Friday or whenever you can, Wednesday night. But I was riding in the back and I said, you know what, I don't think or how did I say? I said, some people think that the moon landing didn't happen. And my sister in cry. She turns around, She's like, what, no way, you know, just like you know, trying
to convince even believers. And I want to tell them, look what you know, tower of babble, what do you think about that? God's the same then as he is today? All great points and something I kind of kid about sometimes. I always say, how cool would it be to get NASA shut down and you know, force the government to give us this great big repayment program, you know for everything that was based on a lot.
At the same time, sometimes I get pretty upset about it because I know that the money that comes from our blood, sweat and tears goes to an organization that is trying to overthrow God. What do you think about it? That way? It's a little unnerving, it is, But you know, I think that and I think we should speak up. I mean, I like that guy that spoke up in one of the council meetings down in Florida. Now, yeah, and just you know, and I think more of
us have to do that. But I also think that, you know, give them to Caesar. What is Caesar's you know, God is my sufficiency, not the government. That's right. Our money is going to Pelosi's ice cream and is her freezer, you know, or it's going to NASA, it's going you know, it's going to the freaking the large Ukraine, yeah, exactly, or to the people that are coming over the border. Two thousand dollars a month, you know, And and that's vets. You know,
I'm healthy, and like I said, God is my sufficiency. But they're my my father, my my stuff. I didn't know my biological father, but my stepfather. You know, he was an alcoholic and they didn't help him. You know, he had an agent orange poisoning, and they didn't help him. It took me a long time ago to VA. I was fifty two before I went to the VA. So because I didn't trust them, I didn't trust any of those I still known't So just so it's
rough. And but like I said, God is my sufficiency, and I'm not gonna I can't worry about you know, I can speak up about it. But you know, they're gonna take steal our money. They're gonna. They are evil people. They're evil and the double is their father's right. Well, you have your health, then you have your faith. Everything else is cake and ice cream. Right there, you go. It's I mean, that's as long as you have that. The second bullet, and I'm
very humbled by this. You said would be the Flat Earth Files podcast. How did you find my podcast? Our podcast? This is our podcast? Well, I think it was through and we know, I think it was, but I don't remember. And then, unfortunately, my boyfriend pays for my Spotify, so I've been enjoying a lot of you know, like blues and jazz music and you know, and then I just I think I looked
it up and put flat Earth because I was wanting to know. And then that first, that first podcast that you had, I listened to that and made great points. And then I like the way you talk to normal not normal you know, I'm maybe not normal, but you know, but people that you know off the streets, you know, people that are interested in have the sight. Yes, and that's where you know, even with God and hanging out with believers, you know, it's like a taste of heaven.
It's like a taste of what will be when we get to heaven and we'll party and have fun and that sort of thing. But being able to talk about it, and this is the first time I've been able to talk about it openly and you know, not get the look I try to tell my mom. I went down the Colorado Springs. They my mother and my sister and brother lived down there, and my brother has a stage four cancer cancer. Yeah, and they said, get your affairs ready. Pardon what's
his first name? Can I ask you for his first name? Bill? I'm going to pray for him. I appreciate that we've been praying. Put him on a prayer list. My brothers and sisters in Christ are praying for him. But I went down there and I just kind of mentioned it to my mother about you know, yeah, I you know, I think the Earth is flat, and she just kind of fluffed it off. So, but you know, we we talked a little bit about politics and everything,
and she's a Trump supporter. So, but my brother's on the he's kind of like, I think he now believes in God, but I think he's he's pragmatic over everything. And when I saw him a couple of weekends ago, broke my heart because he, uh, he's pretty much wasted away and he can't hardly get up, you know, and just picturing him as a little two year old in his little pj's and then seeing him, you know, he's like six' four and you know, yeah, it's heartbreaking.
So but there's always hope. There's always hope, absolutely, And we're gonna prayer. We're going to pray for Bill and our family has a prayer list and it's been very powerful. So we'll include Bill and our prayers. And Colorado Springs is a special place in my heart as well. What part of the Springs are then the north side, south side, the old side on the west. Well, they used to live by the airport at oh when they first started living in color Yeah, and then they moved. Oh now
I can't. It starts with p. I always forget the name. It's in the middle. Sure, it's town, gotcha. It's a beautiful town, it really is. And then when do you go there, do you notice how much brighter the sun is or is it just me in the morning. It's beautiful and garden of the gods, you know, like during May and June, it's just so gorgeous. I actually went to college at Colorado
Tech. Oh okay, cool, yeah, yeah, that whole go ahead, I'm sorry, and learned about NASA and all the you know, the firmament and then also what is the this the protective the Van Allen be in college, but yet they sent astronauts. They didn't even know they had the technology to protect themselves at the time, but somehow they made it and went on to live. Well, heck, buzz Aldron is still alive, right, is he really? I think he's in his mid nineties, but yeah,
he's still alive. Well, yeah, I think there's four left. We did who walked them up? One left? Yeah? Four? Well, we did have a astronaut, guest astronaut that came to that to the school when I was still there, and we got to talk to him. Yeah, and I said, did you see anything out there? You know, what did you see? Because I was interested in any kind of you know. He didn't answer that question. He didn't, you know. Yeah, yeah, I imagine they got a tread carefully because if they answered details,
they'd have to remember them, right. And that's that always reminds me of when the Apollo eleven guys came back. I think one guy saw stars and the other one was like, I don't remember seeing any stars. And it's just like really like I would remember every detail. If I was the first guy on the moon, I would stand there and count the stars and I would come home and there would be celebrations and I'd be in every commercial. I want to be like George. I'd have my own air hobs.
Is these sneakers and it's just not what happened. Yeah, they were so vehement, vehement about with Brett, you know, like telling him, you know, you're full of just really like just say, you know, swear on the Bible tallest, tell us the truth. But they were so vehement, you know, and it's like why would you be Yeah, I would be celebrating it, like yeah, we've seen things and we I mean, you look at the people that went on the mountain. What is it the
shoot man, I'm brain parts here the tallest mountain in the world. Yeah, and they're and they're celebrating that like yeah, we made it, yay. But you know, yeah, it's it's so telling that they didn't go. They didn't go and yeah, but it was a buzz Aldron that said we didn't go to that little girl, that's right. Yeah, we didn't. Yeah, it didn't happen that way, that's what. Yeah. Yeah, it's just amazing. And people don't see it. They don't see this,
and I don't know why. Well, they're blinded. The double has blinded them. Yeah, And you know, the the telling thing for me was and I'll never forget. And this should be on everybody's radar now since we're talking about Bart when he was kicked out of the guy's house so quickly that he left the microphone on the guy and he's like, you want me to call them the CIA and have them taken out. I mean, how much more do you need? I mean, just that alone. When I
heard that for the first time, I was my mind was blown. And then when you see how they really took pictures of the Earth from their window when they were supposedly, you know, basically making soles in low atmosphere, just all of it is nonsense. And but again it speaks volumes of how much effort they put into the globe, because when you mentioned it, you just get scoffed at by ninety five percent of the people you present it to.
Yeah, definitely yeah, even by my boyfriends. You know, it's like, you know, it's okay though, because I know the truth, and i'll you know, i'll try to I'm not going to be in their face with it. When when I refused the mask and I went to Bible Bible Fellowship and they didn't request me to wear a mask, and they never wore a mask, and it's in their home, you know, so that's
fine. But like when we went to a restaurant, a bunch of us, and I didn't wear the mask, but they started donning their mask on and they we walked to the table. I didn't put on a mask and we walked to the table, and I'm looking around the restaurant like people are not wearing the mask at the table, but you have to wear the mask coming into the restaurant. And I'm like, no, I'm not doing this. And the guys like, you know, the waiter and I'm not gonna
make a scene. Sure, but I said, you guys, enjoy your lunch. I'm going to go. You know, I'm just going to go, and you know, because I didn't want to, like, you know, I'm not that cold hearted or anything, but you know, I'm like I'm going to stand I'm not gonna you know, and they just stood there like, oh okay, instead of saying, well, yeah, let's just take off the mask and enjoy lunch, you know, let's you know, it just doesn't make sense to me how even believers, you know, I
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, And there's there's some irreversible damage that that no doubt the young folks had hearing, you know, while mom and dad had the TV on, hearing about death death death death death twenty four seven, three sixty five for a year and being eight nine, ten years old and having to wear a mask because you might catch something and die. I mean, imagine, uh now, I know children are resilient, but at the same time, what kind of long term effect is that going to
have on children mentally? Right? The big question we always seem to talk about on this program and my other podcast is what are the long term effects going to be on the Jabba Dabado? But what are the long term effects going to be psychologically on these children? I think I think it would be
long. It would take God to heal them, you know them, because I I you know, as a little kid and watching scary movies even and speaking of that, I uh, when I was a little kid and you know, being sexually abused at four years old and run in the streets. We went to Germany and as seven year old, I remember seeing and I back then it was like ghosts, but I know they were harassing spirits,
double spirits that were trying to take me out. And there was one one night, I'm in my bed and a ruler was kind of floating in the air and something ripped my blanket off and my body and I'm like what, you know, and I screamed for my parents, mommy, daddy, you know. So, you know, having all this stuff children, you know, the last few years, you know, with death and I was so
fearful dying and being abducted and just all the things. You know, I can't imagine what these children are going through now, and you know, my heart breaks for them, and you know, and then also with the what you were talking about, you know, body hormone blockers and telling a child that well, you're really a girl or you're really a boy when they're not. You know, it's a are you're are you're a cat, or you're a squirrel or you know, and and these children. So you know,
and I don't know. I the Double is evil, and people that follow the double very evil. There's hope, you know, there's always hope for people. I know that in God's word there are people that are born of incorruptible seed. Those are people that believe God Romans ten ninety ten. I also know that there are people that are born of corruptible seed, and those are the people that are evil, and they're of the Double. They're double, the Devil's children, and they're running the you know, running a lot
of the world. But they don't. I am not afraid because you know, when you speak Jesus Christ's name, they will flee, you know. So I'm not afraid anymore. I've had potential tornadoes in the area and I'm like, I just stand out on my front step. I'm not I'm not playing stupid. But when I know that Jesus Christ could calm the storms, and I have God in Christ in me, yes, I can do the
same. And a few years ago, I'm out on my front porch watching the storm coming in and the potential tornadoes, and I said, I am not afraid of you. You stop in the name of Jesus Christ and just this bowl of blue sky and all the clouds were just around, you know, surrounding the neighborhood, and we were protected so amazing. Yeah, I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of the government. I'm not afraid of anything.
I stand my ground because God, I it's like that shad Rack Meshak and the Benego, Daniel David, you know those ruth Esther, you know, all those people in the Word. Even now, you know there are believers that stand up and you're one of them. You know, you stand up for what you believe in and you speak the Word, so I you know, yeah, you got to do that. So I don't be afraid.
I think it's contagious too. And I think that's one of the reason that I thought this format, how it kind of transpired, could be super helpful because I've seen so many people that have come on here and once they speak publicly about things that it empowers them. And we've had so many folks start their own podcast and they're off doing sub stacks and everything else. People are really motivated and really such conviction in the Word of Jesus Christ and just
wanting the truth to get out there. And to try to get people to understand that they are being lied to on levels they simply can't they can't comprehend. So and I think that was kind of when I started my other podcast four or five years ago, however long it's been now. I started with
baby steps, you know. I started with the Bush family and you know, the smaller things, and gradually worked away up to things like Oklahoma City, the Gulf War, which, by the way, when I saw that, I think it was ninety two and it was an ABC Nightly News or
twenty twenty one of those shows. Because before the war started, the young lady who was ended up being the Kuwaiti's ambassador's daughter, Naiira al Sabah, who sat b before this Congressional committee in nineteen ninety and said she watched Iraqis pool babies out of the incubators and throw them on the ground and all that, you know, Poppy Bush got to garner steam so people would support him sending troops into Kuwait and Iraq, and then, you know, ninety two
turns out it was all a giant lie, and they spent ten million dollars for these people to coach here how to act in front of the Congress, and she hadn't even been in Saudi Arabia or Iraq since like nineteen eighty seven, and just that's the first time where you really understand just how evil our
government is. And it'll lie to it'll do whatever it takes to justify the goal they want to get to. They don't care as long as they get to their goal, even if it means knocking down two towers and killing three thousand people while doing it. Oh yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, just watching all of that, and I don't think Trump is innocent by any degree. I think, you know, when he took away the bump stocks, you know, and all the other executive orders that he's done.
He's not the savior. And I just saw what was it on? I just signed up for TikTok. I wasn't going to do it, then I did it. But seeing them giving some kind of crown or something to him from Israel, that's right, And that whole thing with Israel, it's like, yeah, this is not this is not good. You know, it's all a build up. It's a build up to I don't know if it's going to be the last days in my lifetime, right, but I know it's a build up, you know, to I pray that I get
to see Jesus Christ in the clouds. You know, that would be awesome, you know, but if I fall asleep before then you know that's okay. I'm not afraid, but yeah, it's a build up to it. And then trying to get through the firmament. That just put the nail on the coffin for me, because you know, they are trying so hard to figure it out and they can't. You know, got God's overall and he's not. He gives us free will, so he's not in control of us.
He's not controlling us as it as like some people think that, you know, we're like puppets to God. Not But He's given us free will to love him, and he's given free will to the angels. If you you know, look what happened to Lucifer. He took his free will and guess what he did. So all these people that are trying to trying to
get to God, you know, I don't know. I know, the devil thinks that he can overcome, but he's an angel, he's not God, so you know, but I just I feel in my gut I don't know if it's God telling me. God does tell me things, but you know sometimes he you know, corrects me and stuff. But you know, I think this is and and I've been reading the Book of Enochs slowly.
I'm still kind of on the fence with that. I'm not sure, you know, I'm kind of thinking, yeah, maybe you know, I know he existed, I know that sure, So I don't know anyway, Yeah, very interesting. Indeed, I did want to ask you, have you have Bible studies and things of that nature. Do you have a local church you go to or is it mostly in house type of fellowship that you or is it it's a whole home. Yeah, it's a home Bible fellowship.
I've been going since ninety nine. Oh wow, they're Yeah, they're just awesome. You know. It's it's family, you know, it's not when Jesus Christ said, you know, who is my mother? Who is my my brother? You know, he said his disciples were not that he was trying to go against his mother, you know, but they were you know, at the gate saying hey, where are you what you're doing? And they thought he was crazy. You know, they thought, well, this
this son of Joseph. You know, he's kind of a little loopy, you know. And you know, Jesus Christ spoke God's word, and I believe. You know, I love my family, my biological family. I love them and I want them to be saved. But the people that are my brothers and sisters in Christ. You know, Jesus Christ is the firstborn of many brethren. You know, He's my big brother, and I honor him. He's my Lord, my savior. You know, God is my father, and Jesus Christ spoke to God, you know, a a father,
you know. The so such an intimate deal. So the Home Bible Fellowship that I've been going to since ninety nine, at first it was a little different. You know, I'm like, because I come from a background that I don't have. I didn't have a lot of love, you know, in my childhood. And then just the express love you know that gope love, the love of God. It's so awesome. And h they taught, uh, you know, the principles in the Word. They the gentleman
that taught a few years ago with the apostle Paul. He would go through the whole all the epistles, you know, through acts and then the epistles and bring Paul Alive, the apostle Paul. Just amazing, how this man, you know, he killed Christians. He was you know, he was very he was a zealout for God. He loved God. But you know he killed Christians because he thought that was the right thing to do. And then Jesus Christ, you know, met him on the way to Damascus and
you know, hey, why are you why are you persecuting me? You know, and just amazing, amazing accounts and God's word and every time you pick up the word, it's always new fresh. God's Word is so awesome. So and that's my basis. And we don't go to a church. There's we give our abundant sharing or giving and receiving, you know, we give money and that goes to a centralized place which they help the word move the word over the world, you know. So yeah, it's it's just
amazing. And you know, I don't always agree like with the COVID stuff and the masks and you know, but I think everybody, you know, they do what they think that that's best. I don't know, I listen to God not all the time, very well. I have a German shepherd that God told me, don't do it, don't do it, and well, yeah, I don't know if he's seen. Yeah, he popped up in the picture. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, what a great story.
I have the utmost respect for missionaries and that's awesome that your help funding them because you know, spreading that those guys are on the ground and sometimes in dangerous places and just you know, doing the best to spread the word
of God. And it's amazing. And it's interesting as you were talking about Damascus and these things, is it interesting that so many of these cities that are in the Bible are the ones that are going through the most the roughest of times now, like Syria, Aleppo to Damascus and all of the Of course, Babylon is in Iraq and we're still thirty you know, we started dropping bombs in Iraq January of nineteen ninety one, and it is thirty three
years later, coincidence, Jar thirty three, we are still dropping bombs there. Yeah, that's crazy. There's something, yeah, something going on there.
One hundred percent. Your fourth bullet, if to kind of go back to the flat Earth, you mentioned that it would be the photos of the trip you took and photos of the moon a few years ago, and you said, you're right, there's no And that's what's something that again blows my mind because when we look at the moon on you know, we walk out here on the deck, look at the moon, it looks bright, super
bright. It's a light. But when they show us pictures, whether it's a rover or whatever, it's just dusty going all the way back to you know, Apollo eleven mission. Why can't people discern that it's just one it's a super bright light. But when they show us, it's just this dark rock with full of dust. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And and I looked at those pictures again, you know, after you told you know, you mentioned that with the dust, and I'm like, yeah, there's
nothing. And then with the sun, I've been like when the sun sets or the sun rises, when I can catch it, I'll come go out and I'll actually take my glasses off and just look at it. And it's like a camera flash. You know, you eat, my retinas are not
burnt out, isn't Isn't that amazing? Yeah, let's see. Number five was Flatter Dave's app And that is a great app because I get folks whill ask individual questions and ninety nine times out of one hundred those questions can be found right on his app And again at the same time, with that being said, we're not going to have the answers for everything, and that's something
I try to stress with people. They say, you know, I'm pretty much on flat Earth, but you know this or that, And I'm like, well, why does it automatically go back to the globe because I can sit here and show you, you know, one point after another saying well, it's either just a theory or we've disproved it, whether it would be going over the you know, all the ship disappears, well we can bring it back with our p. Nine p. Nine hundred the gravity theory,
which is you know, boot sea density and other factors as well. But that's the thing that always gets me, well not always, but over the last few years, it's like, well, if you can't explain every single thing, then it must be a ball. And again, show me how a ball sticks to water and the radio waves, like we were talking about earlier, how is it going curving around the ball and hitting the folk I've hit the other week, I hit South Korea, I don't think that would
be possible from Delaware to South Korea on a ball. But you know, getting back to what we were talking about is just I don't know, it's why does it always go back to the ball if we can't answer every question? Well, and I think too, you know, tell me, how do you prove that it's the ball? You know, how how can you see that? I remember you mentioned Pike's Peak. I went off to Pike's
Peak once. It was very windy, but when you looked out and I didn't even think about that back in the day, Like whoa you can see like for miles and miles and miles, and how can you do that? If the Earth is round? You can't, you know, it's just amazing. And then I don't know, it's just it's like proved to me. And then, like you were saying in the other podcast, those people that think that the world is round, they can't even explain. They can't tell
you how many miles? Yeah, or you know, like how many miles the sun is away from the earth And it's a light. God made these lights for us to enjoy and to be you know, to be able to see during the day and even during the night. I can't to your point. You know, if they landed on the moon when they have been like lit up, you can probably even see them, Yeah, because it's so bright. Yeah. And then like bart Seprel pointed out, there was obviously
it was lighting because the shadows were going in all different ways. Yes, that's a huge Guyua. We can't simply overlook. And again I'll say, if it's one thing or even too, we can call it a coincidence. But after that you have to use you know, critical thinking and just kind of put your cognitive dissonance aside and say, well, let's see, they've lied to us about just about everything else, so is this really the one
thing they're not lying to us about. And then to understand the ramifications on part with evolution and Big Bang, then it all adds up and it's yeah, we're being lied to. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I you know, it's just amazing that people I think, like you said, cog cognitive dissonance. I think part of it is just the television. You know, back in the eighties, people were happy watching TV and you know, sitting in their butts in front of the TV or going to the
mall materialism. Ye you know is the eighties in the nineties were just so it was harping on them, like we got to be like the Joneses, you know, keep up with the Joneses. They didn't think about uh, they didn't have any any they didn't think you know, even with school, you know, the education system. I hated school, tell you what, I think. I was not meant to be And a lot of people are not meant to be sitting in the school for how many hours or in front
of the TV. You know, that's what we did. We went to school, We came home and watched MTV and watched you know, Madonna and all these you know videos. Oh my goodness, and what a waste, you know. I like, I listened to some of that music now and I'm like, what the hell was I thinking, you know, back in the day. But I was a kid, so and it was so attractive, and you know, going to the mall buying clothes and I didn't do that because we weren't We weren't rich kids. My mother I had to sell
my four h pig to get school clothes. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, those were interesting times. I remember scrounging up cutting people's grass just so I could get out and get the new Twisted Sister album or whatever the hot thing was. Right every Friday night at the mall, we'd go to the music store and get our new record, right and go to the arcade, you know. And it was different. I've learned and you know, done research. Things were just as evil. It's just they did a better job
of hiding it. I do think nine to eleven was them saying this is that was the start of the new World Order and they weren't going to hide their evil anymore. And that certainly is the case between war and the division of you know, through the Obama administration into uh and again these people are puppets. I just use it as a timeline, you know, the divisiveness of Trump and then now the mocker. We're at the mockery stage. Now
there's there's a gentleman who probably needs help getting dressed. And I'm not being cruel, I'm just pointing out a fact. And he's supposed to be the most powerful man in the world. So we know the the devil loves to mock us, and uh, he's doing a heck of a job of it right now. As a matter of fact, as we record, I think tonight's the big State of the Union address, which I would rather walk across
the asphalt in August barefoot then watch one second of that. But we're coming up for the in the last few minutes, I wanted to give you an opportunity. Was there anything that you had noted that we hadn't had a chance to talk about yet? I oh, I do. I know this is might be a little off topic, but I just wanted to kind of tell
everyone. It's Second Corinthians. I think it's chapter eleven. I came up on my Bible app today because I was trying to find a good scripture to send to my boyfriend to encourage him for the day because he had a rough day. But in Second Corinthians, chapter eleven, let's see in verse four, and I'm just using, actually I'm using the George M. Lambsa's translation from the Aramaic of the Peshida, and it's easy to read. It's kind
of an nice translation. But for if he who has come to you preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you have received another spirit which you had not received, or another another gospel which you had not accepted,
you might have listened to him. I'm just pointing that out for people that when you believe in Jesus Christ, I think that you know, when you say Jesus and just Jesus, not Lord Jesus or Jesus Christ, I think that dishonors him and and and Paul wrote that, you know another preaching another Jesus. I think it's very important, especially now in this day, because people will be fooled and misled. And I think that people need to know that Romans ten ninety ten. You know, if you believe in Jesus
Christ and then he's resurrected and sits on the right hand of God. And that's where that is in my heart. I think that's important to know and to honor God. You know, you worship and Jesus Christ you honor, and That's where I'm at with that, and not to be fooled. So and don't ask for angels to help you, because angels, I've experienced double spirits and you may call on something that's not you know, a true angel, you know, and it says, you know, God says to be
to try the spirits right. So make sure that you know, you call on God and that's it, you know, I don't call on angels and or Jesus. You call on God Father Abba. You know. Anyway, that's well done, and I'll include those three verses in the show notes. Thessalonians Romans ten nine ten, and Second Corinthians for as well in the show notes. It's been a really great conversation. It's always good to connect with fellow veterans and share the old stories of desert storm. I'll never forget the
first breakfast we had was fried maloney and French fries. That's what they gave us the first morning we were there. I was like, this is going to be rough. Yeah, yeah, I was like. And back then the mrs were that the dehydrated beef patties and pork patties. You had to add water too. And oh man, now they have gourmet you know, pepperoni, pizza MRIs. They got it made furious. Wow. I would trade. I would trade the fruitcake for or you know, get the fruitcake
and trade with Yeah. And I like the dehydrated strawberries. Yeah, there you go. They were good. They were really good. A little bit of water and they were great. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, again, it's been a great conversation and I'd like to give you the last word to address the audience before we wrap up. Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. I I guess I wasn't as nervous as I thought, and I hope I was more eloquent than I thought I could be.
You know. Yeah, I just appreciate you. Thank you for having this podcast that helped my heart a lot, and just being able to talk out, you know, all the things. Yeah, well, it's been great. And again we'll keep your brother Bill and our prayers and we wish you the best of luck with your your journey and all the folks that you were you know very well, and your acquaintances that in me too, all of us, that we can break the ice. And you'd mentioned I think in
your closings that you said it's right here in front of me. Actually, I know it's hard to convince people of God and Jesus Christ, and it's hard to convince people of the shape of the earth. And you're right, both of them, and both of them are the type of conversations which many people find difficult to have. You know, we call the water cooler conversations like it's cool to talk about sports and even fringe conspiracies like JFK and these
things. But if you get religious, you know, people will label you and not related. But you know, if you bring up God and Jesus Christ, right, and then obviously you know, having that conversation of the shape of the earth, it's it's a big deal and it takes a lot of courage for both of those subjects to broach with friends and acquaintances. Would you not agree, Yeah, most definitely, But it's not impossible, that's right, you know, and just it takes boldness and to speak out.
Yeah, there you go. Well, God bless you, and God bless all of our listeners. Thank you for continuing to support this podcast. It's been a blessing to have so many great conversations with so many people around the world, which is just amazing. So everybody, take care of yourselves, have a great week. If you have any questions or you want to join the podcast like Christina did again, it's The Flat Earthfiles at gmail dot com and stop by the website and say hello for Christina. I'm George. God
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