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and our guest tonight is Vica. Where it is just after midnight. How are you doing tonight, sir, Hey George, how are you doing? I'm doing it, Thanks for the thanks for the invite, a pleasure to be here on discussing flat out on flat out files. There you go, and you've done some great work. You've made some waves as recently as just I think last week. But before we get into all those great discussions, why don't you take a few minutes an introduce use yourself to the audience.
Oh yeah, absolutely, I go by Vikatraziv. I'm a producer and director of two flat documentaries. One's called flat on the Curve, which deals with the pilot's marines, aeronautic engineers, submarines, merchant marines, all the guys
testifying how their instrumental gadgets only work on a stationary flat Earth. And the second documentary is about anticketter mechanism, which is supposed to be was a hidden technology from us, a working geocentric stationary model like and then also I have more than two hundred videos researching flat Earth and podcasts, so I've done a lot of research and almost five years I'm into flatter Earth. So there's hardly any topic, any aspect of flatter that has escaped from me. Right,
So here's the question that I like to ask everybody. Were you in the like David Weise, he was in the conspiracies way before flat Earth. Were you the same or was flat Earth kind of your first conspiracy? Oh?
No, I was into everything we could imagine right from the almost from the nineties right even when they when almost like when CNN started, you could already start seeing stuff going around that wasn't making sense, right, And then we had the Two Towers, you know, and things got opening up, right, so, and also the Big Brother stuff came into and whatever is going.
I'm into everything, but I only focus on flatter out because they're very easy for them to, you know, cancel you out, because if you take serious topics right Apart from that's why I am into everything, But all my platforms are only dedicated to flat out and geocentric for sure. I cover many others related to that, but not very strong conspiracy because yeah, sooner or later, the all algorithms gets you and they kick you off, right.
Yeah, we learned that lesson very painfully over the last three or four years. If you mentioned a certain thing that gets injected into your arm, you would be platformed and your videos would get kicked off very quickly. Yet here we are in twenty twenty four, and it turns out that once again the conspiracy theorists were right, huh oh yeah, absolutely, and especially if you're working on your platform for years and it takes so much time to build
plat build your platform. Because I've my main platform is Facebook, right, my page, and I have a really good following my video. Some of them are like, have a couple of million hits, right, I don't want to lose that, you know, I don't know when I want to lose that because there are many people speaking about it, right, So, but yeah, I know what the hell is happening. You know what they're doing, right, So for showing we have private chats and discussion we all
all over. So here's a question. I've thought about it, and it's been asked to me a few times. Like, on the surface, flat Earth appears to most people just some niche, silly air quote conspiracy theory. But folks like you and I and many of our most of our listeners really understand the consequences of heliocentrism and evolution and big Bang and this big scientism push over the last one hundred years that has essentially pushed God to the side and
championed you know, man, I would preface that with evil men. So why is it that if you talk about nine to eleven or you know, COVID or all these other things, why do they continue to let us freely talk about it, like especially about flattered or no, especially about flat Earth. How come like we we can get booted for everything we just mentioned,
but it's okay to talk about flatter Earth. They don't really censor now the high algorithms and stuff, but they don't really go to a censorship extremes like they do on COVID and nine to eleven exactly exactly because it's not really hurting them to a level that other thing. Right, because for a majority for the masses, this is like a like a funny stupid conspiracy, right, So many will never the masses will never see when if we put them right
in the face. So they know that. That's why we could go on with flatter because they also learn things and this is a this is a question geocentric or heliocentric from one hundreds and thousands of years, people are discussing about it. Right. This also create engagement. This gets the algorithm, it gets the traffic. You know, maybe they are using us to get their more data, more better to you know, for the future generations to give them more hard time, to confuse them more. Right, So, who
knows, you know, many I could be bots. You know there are many boats who's trying to argue with you on social media just to get out of you more reasoning. You know where they can get you more in the future because they know where they have done mistakes and how they can correct them. Right, because both going over the horizon was hundreds of years ago, they were saying the same thing. They can't do that keep doing the same
thing. They have to come up with new ways to keep that indoctrination going right, So in a way, and everybody learns, right, everybody learns. And for sure, if you reach to a level where it's really hitting the masses, they're gonna catch cut out of you, right, yep, absolutely yeah, if they see the tide turn too much, I think they would do that one hundred. But it's still while I will argue that just in the last four or five years, the stigmatism of flatter has gone back
a little bit. I've seen it. If I brought it up on my other podcast five years ago, I would my email. Two things that'll set people off Trump and flatter. Those two subjects will set people off. But I don't see that as much as I used to. In just a matter of five years, and in the last two weeks I've interviewed people from Latvia, United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, the United States, and here is
Vica from Spain this evening. So I do think, and you know, all the hard work that yourself and David Weiss and folks like that have put in, I think we are starting to see some We are seeing some progress. Oh yeah, because as one of my good friends says, right, they're feeding us, even if you like it or not. You know all the crap on TikTok and everything right, even if you want to know the pushing it right. So flat Earth is the same thing now, the people
want it or not, it's in the face. Everybody has to eat it. Right. So the ones who are awake, have a bit of common sense left, a bit of soul or spirituality left, will try to open the mind because they will see what health is going because it's not really our flat Earth. Everything is related and all the problems we are going through as the humanity is all interrelated, and flat as is the mother of all of
them. Right, So once you accept that, you accept everything what they're showing you is bad and it can help a person in their life to open up to see things in a different way, take decisions better on a daily basis, you know, with your friend, family, companion, your community, you know, your country. You know. So it helps, right, we all know how how many things we all in the past two years.
It helped us to keep us on track because of our truth with the creator and the right way we were looking and the instinct we had right as
flat earthers. Right, yeah, that's really way go ahead. If not, we would have been also been a victim of all these past few years what they did with the majority, right, Yeah, And I'll tell you all, most of the people that we've interviewed have said that COVID was like the thing that woke them up. Like people who had not just been regular going about their day, you know, I guess we call them normies.
They actually overplayed their hand with COVID, And I would say probably seventy five percent of the people that we've had on this podcast were awakened by COVID and then that started them down the rabbit hole. And then they were lucky enough, whether it would be a video or a podcast that they heard about flat earth, and you know, they figured, well, if they could lie about this, then they could be lying about other things. And it has led a lot of people to flat earth, which I guess leads me to
my next question is what led you to flat earth? Oh? Yeah, I was. As I mentioned earlier, I was into all different conspiracy and then it was hard for me to come on to flat earth. I was just before flat out. I was into aliens, right, I was researching aliens right like many of us, sure, right. So I had almost had content, almost ready to like release it, and then something happened to
me that I just didn't release it for a few months. I had everything prepared, and then I stumble on flat Earth and I was like, I didn't need any convenience, convenient like someone to convince me why I needed proved to prove myself. For me, it was just it's flat and the government is saying it's not flat. For me, it's flat, and I was I'm just so straight. I didn't need anything. All what I saw after was just to you know, relate, all right, this means that this
is this right. Only for that reason, I wasn't like trying to judge it. No, this may be wrong. It was making sense right from the beginning, right, So that was for me never a doubt. And the time it took to me, even though I've been involved with Internet and computers so long, and I stumbled around twenty sixteen, two thousand, end of like almost twenty seventeen, like early, right, Well for me was
late, right. So that's why I was like five years that for me, like I started producing my own videos, you know, doing my own research for myself than anybody else, right, I want to understand first before I could explain or you know, so even some of my videos is even the clips maybe of five or eight minutes, but there's loss so much of information compressed in those videos that if you take a subject, you're going to know in and out what is happening, right, because it's a lot of
investigation from every aspect to get it out there. Right, that's great. How did it change you? Though? Like for me, and I've said this a thousand times, I was jacked up for two weeks because I mean I was forty nine ish when I hit flat Earth, and that's half a century of programming having to purge out and build back in. And this was about three years after I found out about nine to eleven. And you probably don't know this about me, but I was a career soldier in the United
States Army and I had spent multiple deployments in Iraq. And then when you get out, you start research and you find out that that much of your life is based on a lie. That was a punch of a stomach. Three years later you find out that you're not on a ball that's spinning. Now. At the end of the day, it was one of the It
was a release, and it set my path. I was focused and I realized that everything is a lie, and I understood the rules that we were playing in here on Earth and the people who control that aren't really looking out for our best interest. Although you know, prior to that, I had a pretty good clue. But how did it affect you personally? Was it just like, Okay, here we go. Where did it take a little
bit of thinking and reflecting when you came on the flatter. No, I was like, I was like, I was all right, because I'm open to everything the creator is going to show or give us. For us, right, even the most secret. Yeah, they've tried to keep it for all this time with this generation. Right. So I was I wasn't like, oh my all my life is gone this system. I was never. I was never into the system, right I am. It's not like that. I'm totally off. I live off grade, right, I live off
grade more than a decade. I live off grade. I do everything DIY right. So I for me it doesn't matter, like if the system is there, it's not there. It's right, it's wrong, it doesn't affect me. Right. So I wasn't. I was all right other key right. And in a way it got me in track to purpose of my life. Right because with all the knowledge and research of all the life I could put into my studies, right, everything came into more sense, like maybe I had to do this too in a way, right, apart from many
things we do in life, many purposes we have in life. So this came as also as a purpose. And in five years it grew. Right. I ran one of the biggest flattered group on Facebook called World flat At Association, which is almost sixty thousand members, right, So, and that's one of five groups that I have. So I also wanted to create a place for people like minded people to come together and create and do things together. So that was the like, the most important thing I wanted to do
right. And then I also met people like you also were in the Flat of the curve, professionals telling their stories, telling that how the Earth is flat and how their work shows it right. And that's what I did. I got everybody together, all these professionals, and made that documentary Flat in the Curve. That's amazing. And you'd had no Now I know you said you've been in electronics. And by the way, for people are listening to
the podcast, you got a beautiful studio there. You know what you're doing, the flat and the curve. How long did that take you to make between all the interviews and the production and post production from start to finish. The idea was from a long time, but a year. I always take almost a year for my documentary. I don't just put out things good right. I need to make sure the point is across right, and after the two documentary, the people know what they're expecting from me. Even my even
the clips of mine, delivers what they're supposed to. So imagine I spending a year behind each documentary because it's a huge project, right, It takes a lot of people, either having ten people, then you have the production people, you know, so it's a lot of people involved. The research, preproduction, production, post production, and then the promotion. It's a
whole process, you know. So whenever you undertake this kind of project, it's like you are stressed out for the whole year till it's out and even after it's out a bit, right, but it's a huge way that is off. Right. So, as you said, I was just a question for you. You said, you're also into army or even to specifically something
or air or so. I had a split career. The first part of my career I was an engineer, and then about halfway through I reclass into logistics, which is really I started to see there's a book that was written many years ago by a guy named General Smedley Butler, and the book was called War is a Racket. And I saw some contracts over there, and I began to understand that indeed, war is a racket, and the money
that gets shuffled over there is beyond comprehension. Yeah, war is against war, any kind of war, even even you know a local you know, beefs, so I forget about huge war is. You know you've been there. I have amazing friends even here. I have friends who are into army, and you know, we get together. You know, this is the thing. They can see. They see a lot, you know, but they don't see they don't speak right. One thing I will say is the
last unit I was in before I retired. You know what a Patriot, the Patriot missiles that go up, and I was in that unit and the radars and everything that was real and that and an aviation unit back in two thousand and one in Hawaii, the sixty eighth Medical Company on Wheeler Airfield in Hawaii. And I tell this story a few times, but it's one of the things. You see the signs, but you just push it aside. You know. The Technical Manual, the TM states for the pilot to treat
the earth as flat and non rotational. But you know, think t wise about it until that, you know, like in for me twenty nineteen or whatever, it all connected and came together. But those things you see, whether you can see too far or I don't feel like I'm spinning, or I'm sitting here fishing at the lake and nothing's moving. I don't feel the wind of sixty six thousand miles an hour those kind of things. Then it all makes sense when you really figure it out, right, Oh yeah,
oh yeah, absolutely. And guys, just like radar, radio transmission, the laser, the missiles, the way they make their way to the target. You know, it's all it's not possible on a moving earth. It's not possible, that's right. And by the way, I'm friends, we chat back and forth. We haven't chatted in a couple of weeks. But I'm a licensed amateur radio operator. I've got radios all over over this room. And and again people think that the signals just they wrap around the earth,
right, It's just silly. The radio is one of the oldest technology, right, bouncing off signals from the ionosphere or the f one layer tropos, fedix, scattering right to towers to repetitur. It's just now they are transferring daytimes in place of radio signals, right, But the technology is the same, different ways of doing the same thing. So you went into especially radar when you were Now, I was in logistics, so I did contracts.
I oversaw the contracts, all the stuff that get moves around the battlefield, so from point A to point B. Okay, and as an engineer. As an engineer, we were actually combat engineers. So we did a lot of vertical stuff building, uh, and then tearing down with explosives. Okay, cool cool. I was thinking about more about machinery like gadgets like av onyx or Oh no no, not that cool. No. We had a lot of heavy equipment earth movers and stuff, and then we trained with
the explosives as well. That's why I'm half deaf. Now. So, so did you did you see Flat in the curve? Other one on Netflix? No? No, no, the one I amde Oh the one. I'm sorry, I'm thinking of the other one. I have not Oh, so you should check it out. You have you have army pilot, you have pilots, helicopter pilot, commercial pilot, aeronatic engineer, merchant marine, submarine. Then you have the radar operating right, maybe sixty seven guys speaking
about how the gadget works in different environments. It's amazing stuff. This is there, is there. You don't need anything more because there are people who just are too like they want technical stuff, they want like rational stuff. So that's there, right, because even if you see my both of my documentary I go in technical stuff, right if it's because there's a lot of
gadgets being discussed in those documentaries Choreolis and about the ships. There are so many different like the gyros, the gyro compass, the proximity radars, the egg dish, the electronic charts display system, the GPS. It's crazy stuff. There's nothing can deny that how this thing works. And then the anticketter mechanism. It's about this antikeuter mechanism. It's apposed to be a flattered model which is supposed to be more than two thousand years old. Gear technology,
a working I would you say, a cosmograph a planetarium. So imagine looking in a box and you tells you exactly what is about in the sky, everything exactly, and it's predicting eclipses, phases, everything. We could imagine the cycles of nineteen year cycles, the sorrows, the exalamos. Right, it tells you the equinoxes, the calendars are there. It's ancient stuff,
so even the timeline is very doesn't make sense. Imagine two thousand years ago, like imagine at the time of Bible time they're speaking about having a gear technology, right, So it's so messed up the timeline it is. And I will tell you great point on that nineteen. I've mentioned it before on the other podcast, but I'm not sure how often it comes up here. That's a big number, that nineteen. And if you hear it, you should. You should pay attention to COVID nineteen, right. How many hijackers
did were there? Nineteen? Right? So they tip their cat to these type of things, and nineteen is a number and nineteen is in nine to eleven just kind of inverted. So and by the way, for the listeners, I'll have Flatten the Curve and the Mechanical Realm individually embedded in the show notes, so you can click on it and go straight to the videos. Number two. The Mechanical well, actually first on Flatten the Curve. All these military people that were in the documentary, did they come to you or
did you go out and scout them? How did you make all those interviews happen? As I mentioned about my flat group and I was over it's the community. The real community is also there in Facebook, so I saw many people speaking about there and there are many more that I had maybe seven or eight people, but there are many people professionals like survey people. There are many other professionals who are speaking their story, but many didn't come ahead because
not everybody is ready to come out. So I saw these people speaking about with their profiles, speaking about the experience and they were their pilots or they are this and they've been doing so many years. So I start reading and I said, okay, I made a list to see. I saw that so many people are speaking about that, but nobody is even giving the exposure to them, right, because we had a lot of different documentaries about flattered,
right, So I thought, this is what is really required. So I approached them and started like getting them together and working on it, and they were I really respect these people because to come ahead with this testimony, because it's all like all of whistle blowers. If you see them, you see, you're gonna they're going to really enjoy that because you also have that background. You're going to love it. You will know what these people are
saying for sure. Yeah you know, yeah, because you will. And what is the best part is that from whom you want to listen, then a professional who are who have dedicated their life to that world and they understand it and out how these things are working, and they're going to and they're trying to explain you right. So for me, these people are heroes,
yes, because and many you won't believe. After the documentary there were so many professional writing and man, this opened my eyes and this is this, and so many other people came ahead telling the story because they felt that, okay, there are people who are coming ahead. They know it's like kind of risk, right being being of that high, high level, you know, of clearance everybody had or you know, so coming ahead. You know, so many more came out and they say, oh, okay, you
know, if there's another thing. Now, they're more vocal about it. They're writing, they're sharing, they're telling people. You know, there are more. There are SR seventy pilots that are jet fighter pilots. There are so many other guys and women's there in the community. And I'm happy that Plat and the Curve made this happen that they all are coming ahead. You know, more people are coming high. That's awesome, That is so awesome.
You know, it's interesting. As parents, we pardon me, we push our children to tell the truth but as we evolve into adults, it seems sometimes we will turn away from the truth, even if it's right in front of our face. Why do you think that is? Because the human have a like psyche of a human is to is to stay like you know, being indoctrinated. It's a way of self defense, like you know, the psyche. The psyche wants to have the like you know we are.
It's going to end, you know, nothing is right, you know, just to because it takes a lot of effort to go against the wave, right, against this negative what they want to build and destroy everything in a way, the human, the family, you know, the spiritual, the spirituality we have you know, for every within ourselves, our family, friends. Right, they want to create in every level the division. So many are stuck into that because I don't know, maybe it's just a personal evolution
of those souls that they need to go through this. Right, Maybe there is saluation, maybe no, right, who knows. Let's talk a little bit about your So the mechanical realm you just released that within the last ninety days, correct, exactly. Wow, tell us a little bit about that. Wow, the antiquitar mechanism. Wow, it's amazing. This is the thing. They had this from past fifteen twenty years. You had this antique tram mechanism all over the internet. Everybody was speaking about it, but nobody
knew what it is. Nobody would say what it is, you know. So again and one and a half year ago or two years ago, I already realized with my research because I connect a lot of dot there are documentary I don't know if I'm going to even make because if the time will come, you have so many things already, right for a few documentaries, right,
so things have come up. Maybe it comes no. So I connected a dot and after that documentary of flooden the curve, I took rests because I needed to, you know, I need a break because not to explode. After that break was over, then I started this project. I got my people together and started working on it. More research and yeah, after a year, that's out. Also a rabbit hole that we couldn't imagine, right, as I said, a technology that was hidden from us. These
people are literally doing all the predictions from these machines. All the predictions about all the luminaries and everything that happens in the sky is done from this machine. JP Morgan or the Rock of fer I don't know what these people. They used to use astrology, right, they used to say. He used
to say millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do Why Because he had a mechanism for himself that could predict everything, everything eclipses, where it's going to be, the sun, moon, the stars, the luminaries, which constellation with zodiac everything. We could imagine a time machine and he would take his decisions depending on what that clock or watch is telling that that clock, that watch or the antickets mechanism is a cosmograph. It's a scientific instrument which is supposed
to be a portable planetarium. So they used to use to project this display in old planetariums, keeping it in the center with the lenses. If you see the old planetarium, they're huge with lenses all around them. So they used to project from this. So now what they have in the planetarium is a digital version of what this cosmograph is. And this cosmograph is based on a geocentric stationary model. The antickets mechanism is just a Greek version. Okay,
that doesn't mean that the Greek made it. It's just a Greek version. That technology was shed by all our cultures, every culture before, and this technology is not two thousand years old. We could add another zero to that. It's that ancient because it's not only nineteen year cycles. It has sorrow cycles, which there are some cycles goes for seventy years, right imagine, and they all are done by gear ratio gay trains so perfect that there
is no mistake. Even the most expensive high end clock today don't have that precision which this cosmograph has. So if you look at it, it looks like a dial, It looks like a clock, It looks like a compass, It looks like a flat map, right, yeah, it looks like a wheel of the zodiac. It looks like the birth chat. It looks like it looks like our model our Earth with the north pole in the center and all luminary is moving around it. It looks like an astronomical clock.
The astronomical clock is a I would you say, a predecessor after antickets mechanism. So imagine having an astronomical clock in your hand. Even if it's it's telling you the color of the eclipses, if it's telling you, if it's pennumeral, it's telling you, if it's partial it's telling you if it's lunar, if it's solar, what time, which hour, which minute, in which place? Everything? Right, So what it means by nineteen year cycle.
The nineteen year cycle means like if you have an eclipse today, was a lunar eclipse that is partial, So nineteen years after, exactly the same day, it's going to be the same eclipse. And the same goes for the phases, right, that's so precise. Everything goes in cycles, repeating
cycles, smaller cycles into bigger cycles, into bigger cycles. Even the Mayans their calendars look like gear wheels, you know, small gear, big gear moved the bigger gear, right, that's how they used to do the timekeeping. The ancient used to do timekeeping in this way. With all the ancient archaeology, if you see, including the pyramids, they all are aligned to the north, to the true north right. This is self proof that the earth is flat because they all are aligned to the north. There is no
alignment to the south right, because there is no south. Everything is south and flatter apart from the north, everything is south right. So all these lay lines, all these ancient archaeological stuff, this has been made thousands of years ago. Right, and these are all aligned means to a geocentric astronomy.
They're not based on a heliocentric astronomy. Heliocentric didn't existed when pyramids were made, right, or any other any other ancient temples or places which line up with equinoxes and saltis right, and you could see the North Paul and many other different constellations, even after thousands of years. They repeat, how is that possible on a heliocentric madel It's not possible. So all these places work as marker to the sky above. Both is important to prove each other
what is moving and what is not moving. So this device for us is the holy grail. Right, we are no one to build a flat model. The ancients had already done for us. They knew it. They knew it very well. How everything moves. Right. That's why the importance of astronomy and all these luminaries can be seen in all cultures, in every culture, the importance right, even if the people who want to deny or not, we need these cycles for us to believe. If the sun don't come
out three days, you know what is going to happen. Right, The sunny is the giver is the giver of life. The moon has its own function. Right. You have days, you can prove you have days when you germinate the seeds that are day when you harvest. You know the days depending on So everything is so related to the to the astronomy, you know. I know there are different beliefs about astronomy and astrology, but these cycles
are very important. Right. There's also part in the documentary where I speak about the daylight saving that one hour change makes forty person chances of an heart attack three years. So two times they're playing with our bioclock. So imagine that's just one cycle of the sun that they change around two times just to confuse the people. Because it's a perfect clock. It's a precise clock. So that's how they manipulate, so we don't get used to that real rhythm.
Right, So imagine how many other cycles there are with these luminaries and the energies and the frequencies they I know there are many people who won't believe in energy and frequency and vibration of these luminaries because if we see the Creator speaks about angels, what are angels angles angles to the luminaries? Right, we are born on a particular day in a particular horoscope, in a particular zodiac is for a reason, and everything the other luminaries and how their vibration
is affecting us, because we were born on that particular day. Right, So all these different luminaries affecting you as your horoscope, the scope of horrors. You are a sun yourself, and when you were born as a sun in the dial of destiny, if you want to call it those zodiac wheel of bird charts, it shows you those other luminaries and how these angles affect you. It can tell you your whole life. Right, how would be your first years, the mid years and the after years? Why? Because
all these luminaries and the angles are important. So why are these angles important? Also prove that the Earth is not a ball? Why? Because the angles have to be straight from the light to source to us. Right, the different luminaries, the Saturn, the Jupiter, the Mars, everything that represents as light color heavens right, seven heavens seven colors, seven notes seven. You know there are many spectrum of light and many different things. Right,
it's all the numbers. Everything is all speaks about frequency. Right, So I don't know if you are into this topic, but go ahead. I just went down. That's great. No, that's great. I've learned more in the last ten minutes than I have about astrology for a long time. That's very intriguing. So I guess I have two documentaries I got to watch tonight, that's for sure. As far as that, you know, portable planetarium for lack of a better words, that you said they keep.
Is there a certain individual or family that you believe has that. Did you say the Morgans. No. Now, the thing is people have already reversed engineered it. You have people who have made it in wood. That are people who made it in brass. There are people who are that are companies. They make for you, but it will cost you a few thousand dollars. You have even printables where you can laser cut or print them, you know, but they are not going to be such high tech you know.
But these machines are usable. You can literally use them. So there are guys, for example on YouTube call thick Spring. He spent one year with high technology to make that gadget. It took in one year. Imagine that. So how the hell did they do that? Two thousand years ago. You know, there's a even there's not even a millimeter gap. You know, not even a piece of paper can enter between those gears. How precise
is that. You know, you try to take out one thing out of that, one wheel or even one teeth, and that thing is not going to work. It's so precise. This is amazing stuff. You know. Even the even the flatt community is blown out. They can't believe it that this was here all the time and they succeeded in the controller, succeeded that. We don't see it because even Joe Rogan and uh Graham Hong Kong, they speak about that, but they don't know. We don't know what it
is. Anybody, any academics or any professional who speak about it. Yeah, this is this, this is that, but we don't know exactly what it is. But they know exactly what it is. There's no one has to know or the majority to know what it is. Right, you know, a computer this or a machine. Right, we know now what it is. So I found their channel and I'll link I'll link this in the
show notes too. It says reconstructing the anti until Thera mechanism. Uh. It says the video series documenting the reconstruction of the antilk thera mechanism of its most authentic form today and I guess it was seven years ago they did this, but they listed a whole bunch of people who worked as part of the program. That's very interesting. Well, there are lots, there's so much
of people researching and reverse engineering this. It's unimagined and many people are are like academic scientists, you know that are virtual models you can find on the on the YouTube made by PhDs by Universe Cities. Right, this is no CGI like Global Cartoon, you know they try to show us anything. No, this is real science, real arithmetics, real geometry, simplicity and the
beauty of simplicity. That's what it represents. Because God is simple and truth, right, and they want to complicate it with the helio heliocentric model. Everything is rotating around in a chaos. This is not what it is. The creation is perfect. The creation is as as the poem, as a sacred as a flower, right, the precision right, it's so beautiful the creator that made this. Right when you see it from about how these luminaries
move, they're like sacred geometry. Very absolutely, where are you at as far as are you religious, where do you stand on that? I believe in a creator. Yeah, I believe in a creator. I studied all the religion to make sure what everybody's saying. Right. So even all the
cosmologies are saying the same thing. You know, if if the root information is the same, that the earth is geocentric, and this is from thousands of years, all the all the cosmologies have been saying this right through their books, through their text, to the poem, to their religious book, right, all of them. That's how the world started. Every creation, every cosmology have a creation story, and every creation stories are very similar,
said in a different way giants. Right, how how how the earth from, how the gods came, how they made it, how it looks, what it is, what it could be. Right, So most of them say no, one says it's a globe except NASA and all these fake you know scientists who they want to they're pushing, right, the puppet they had from the Newton to now to mew the grass. They are the ones who
are pushing. By the way, the nineteen again, if you go back through history, the nineteen year cycle, there's always a big event attached to that, so nineteen forty four d day, one of the biggest loss of life in one day, which was June sixth, which is six' six at six thirty, there's a three six. Nineteen years later was nineteen sixty three. What happened in nineteen sixty three? John F. Kennedy got killed? There's your eleven twenty two, which is thirty three. They always incorporate
numerology with this stuff. And then nineteen years later, President Reagan declared the War on Drugs in nineteen eighty two, and some people forget about how big of a deal that was because that basically began what we call here the prison industrial complex, where they started giving people hard time for drugs and destroyed a lot of cities. And that was a war on a lot of cities in America. And then of course, nineteen years after that was two thousand and
one nine to eleven, and nineteen years after that was COVID. So every nineteen years there's always a big event attached to the cycle because they know something that the majority don't know that they have to make that complete that cycle and start a new cycle so it continues. They know very well what they're doing with numerology, with astronomy, with astrology, they control, right. The people say Jesus Christ, right, The controllers they say Christ Jesus. Why
because they know the real teaching. They want the majority to look for salvation outside, right, and they know what the Christ teaching was about. The Christ teaching was about finding the Christ. That's why they call Christ Jesus. I would expand on that, but you're getting my point. Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, so they are trying to create division and that the people don't find the salvation for looking outside, but they know where to look,
you know. Yeah, there are versus the Bible, like two Timothy three to twelve that does say Christ Jesus, like says in fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. But you're right, they do like to invert it. Most people say Jesus Christ, even though there are some verses that say Christ Jesus. But the controllers they're all about inversion exactly. But this is the thing they are succeeding in creating
the division, yeah, in all religion right. Also, Christianity in itself has so much subdivision, right, And then you have the rest of the religion. So as long as we all are fighting, who is our right God? You know, they're happy. They know what they are following, they know what they are doing, they know what they are using against us, you know, and especially these numerology, astrology, astronomy, they know
very well how it works because it's all about frequency and vibration. There are times that the planet is very low with vibration, and that's why they're attack yep, you know, psychologically through the news or some fear or some always trying to keep our vibration blow, keep us in fear. Why because the fear and the love comes from the heart, right, and they want to attack. Make your love into fear. That's why we even we're fearing our
our neighbors. You know, when they made that crap two years ago, nobody even wanted to see her own family. You know, what the hell was that? Because this is this is psychologic out yeah, fear. Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. So we have to keep it. I think we have to respect everybody because this is what it's all about. Because this they don't want that we all unite, right, even in the flat community, there's so much of division, right Okay, we all have flat
out us. But there's so much of gatekeeping of information and division because differences right or different opinion. We all are going to have different opinion for many different things. You know, that's how we learn, right. So it's difficult, but it's possible, right two, Yeah, unite against this. There's nothing else we could do. Yeah. Division is very important to them
because that keeps us fighting and keeps the magnification off of them. And here in the United States it's they manipulated so easy with Republican and Democrat people fight twenty three hours a day o. You know, Trump, Biden, left right, and it is such a manipulative tool. And it surprises me that that many people who believe that the election was stolen in twenty twenty that if
they just vote harder again this one, things will come their way. You know, at some point people need to understand that not just elections are rigged. Everything's rigged. I've gone back through history, and I'll be honest with you. I think very little of anything, whether it be pop culture or music or movies or what you hear on the radio, I think very little of it is organic. I think all of us it is planned and released, and you've got to join the club if you're going to make it to
the top. What are your thoughts on that? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Otherwise you're not going to be seen and they're going to take you out right, if you're reaching very far, they're going to try to buy you. Or if no, you don't take out from the meal. Yeah, they do control with the subnimal language. You know, they're trying to balance
out the karma. You know, they make sure, according to them, if they tell us what they're doing, they're doing nothing bad because everything is fair and square in the playing field, you know, the negative or the positive. Everybody has the same right to manifest, right, so this is
what they believe or working the celebrity and many of these people. Right, So as long as they're telling us what they're doing and the people don't care, people don't care if they're telling us right in the faith, they are you know, taking us out the majority and the people are. It's like everything, as you say, upside down and reverse how it should be, and it's not. You know, it's quite the positive of everything in every sense. Right, So it's well said. So many questions to ask you
here, But let's go. Let's talk about last week or about ten days ago you were involved with the debate. I think most people in the flat earth community are familiar with Jerinism. You know, him and Dave have been together for quite some time. You were debating against a guy named Mick Toon, who I think I've heard his name, but I'm not super familiar with him. Tell us how that went. Oh, that was an adventure,
right, So that was my first hour debate flatter debate. Even though I have debated like on text with with trolls, globe trolls on my different groups, you know, but never had a face to face debate on a video with a person. So I was quite glad how it came out. You know, I expected much more good contra argument against from that position, but that wasn't the case. It was just denying. You know, where's your claim? Where's your claim? But everything was right there as we were speaking,
and he wasn't providing any other thing than fake maths and numbers. You know, if you're in a debate, you have to come with apart from all your you know, definitions, you have to come up with arguments. You know, you should be able to argument. So yeah, it was great. I had a great time, a lot to learn for many flat outos too, because I always you know, fine tune my stuff and connect the dots so that the people because there are many people who say, you
know, if there's gravity is what is it? Someone say density and boyancy, that's it, but they wouldn't explain what is happening in those density and buoyancy right, what is accelerating? What is equilii and what are pressure? So I go detail in that. There are many people who didn't hear about the phases, how it works or the eclipses, how it happens in flatat
model. You know how the moon illuminates out to illuminate itself. Many flatatas says, oh the moon is outo illuminisent, but how is it happening? Are you able to explain? Right? Okay, it's it's the rahu Orkid or is the Norse which is making the eclipses? Right? Different versions, But there are many other reasons also why the eclipses and the phases happens. Right, So like this we covered quite a few things, and we also covered the antickets for mechanism, so I was I was happy how it turned
out, like also to learn for learn how you handle pressure? Right, so it wor was great. Yeah, that's something because I think journism is stuffs normally live. So you're walking a tightrope in front of a lot of people. Something we do on the program we ask for people's silver bullets. Or if you only had a few minutes with someone that you sat down in a car coffee shop and they said, all right, Vica, I'm giving you three minutes convinced me the earth is flat? What was What is your
go to proofs of flat earth? If you will, the most the most important, and the most simple. The water doesn't curve. No degree or diploma can make water curve and the land curve. It's not happening. Right. So there are many things I've been to, so many different things I could count with the even the landscape how it works, right, the deserts, the grasslands, the tablelands, the plains, the lowlands, the ice sheets, the tundras, the mud flats, salt flats, depressions, levels,
all this world means flat at disguise in these words. So the the earth is an extended plane of this different geography. Right, So this is one of my amazing that I feel that this is so the people is there, but I don't know if people don't see it, but that is one of the most biggest proof. The nature. You see it around right, how our eyes perceive, so nobody can deny that, the water and the landscape, the geography in itself. And then the other things I like about
is the technical stuff, the instruments, how they work. You know, the compass and the sextons, how they work, and the radars and the gyros, all this technical stuff, the anti etere mechanism, my new gadget toy. Right, So there are many more things that is simple and beautiful and prove the geocentricity of this earth and the stationery that it is, and the archaeology, the sites which woke about, right, so many different sites,
and there are lay lines and how they align and everything. So there's so much overwhelming and if you're going to the satellites and the fake space and it's all over right, it's amazing that if we didn't ever enter a public school or watch television, like we believe the Earth is flat when you're growing up, for thousands of years, people thought the Earth was flat. And you know at some point, you know, some people said it started with
Pythagoras, who was a freemason. It's noted. You can look it up if he even existed. But I guess, you know, most people think right around the time when the Reformation happened in the early sixteen hundreds, that you know, Martin Luther and Copernicus did cross paths. And it stated that around fifteen thirty two that Martin Luther really that bad mouth Copernicus saying he was
basically being anti Bible. But do you believe or do you have an idea at what point in our timeline which probably isn't very accurate, But if you had to guess, would you say fifteen hundred, seventeen hundreds, the last two hundred years when they really really started to push illiocentrism, like end of fourteen hundreds, like beginning of fifteen hundred. They started pushing in the globe.
They paced it in. They changed all the geocentric study and knowledge and information into the heliocentric, right, they started making their globe model, they started making their globe maps, because if you see the ancient maps, they show that it's geocentric, and even the most ancient maps that we have, which could be the Monte Urbano map, and there's another called Hyrie Rise map. So these are very old maps. And even these maps come from older
sources. Right. So the globe was just bording because they wanted to bring it in for whatever reason. But they bought it in, phased it in, and it took them a few hundred years, but they succeeded. Right now, they've reached to a point that is very difficult for the match to go back to this because all their sci fi and space travel and the movies and all the souvenirs and merch and everything depends on space, right, And many don't want to leave it because it's their sorry fantasy, right, like
people love to being like fairy tale signs. You know, I'm gonna reach to March. We're gonna reach there. We are so high TechEd, we are so futuristic. Right. The engines were much more evolved than us today. We think we are the pinnacle of technology. We are nothing. We are nothing. We're not even today we can even replicate what these people used to do and what they know, and we want to call them primitive, right. You know these people were beyond even like that. You see the
constructions, you know they have even today, this is nothing. These are just breadcrumbs what they left, you know. And if it could be technology, archaeology, alchemy, medicine, psychology, science, metalllogy, anything we speak about, there is no comparison. Even though we have the most high tech machines today, they had, they're hiding a lot of stuff from us, a lot. We can imagine what could be there in the in the Vatican Library and all the all the other gadgets and so many other stuff.
They speak about, the time machines, they speak about chronoviser that you can even put in dates and you can literally see what is happened or what is going to happen on certain dates. Right, So, if we are saying there's a hidden period of hidden technology of one thousand, four hundred or one thousand five hundred years of missing technology and history, could we even imagine what
exists or what these people have. Yeah, I always jokingly say the technology that we get today, like say this is the latest thing here, I'm holding up this iPhone. It's probably been around for at minimum twenty years. And then when you have these type of conversations you think it's probably even longer than that, right, Oh yeah, absolutely much long. Nothing is new under the sun, right, technology wise, free energy, like unconventional propertial
systems, genetic engineering, anything we speak about. They speaking about forteen hundred books were burned on technology. Fourteen hundred books. Could we imagine what would exist? Fourteen hundred books burnt? Look what they did to Tesla? Oh yeah, oh yeah, because tess whole, the whole understanding of Tesla was about this geocentric earth, his experiments, his all his study only works on a geocentric stationary earth. That's right, all about magnetism, all about radio
frequencies. Right. He was too genius for all this time. There are many people who don't believe that that existed, or maybe even he took this technology from earlier sources, but he was there to put it in function. Right, everything what he was doing, other gadgets that he was making, right, so many patents that he had, right, even they say Macrony also took his staff and many other people took his stuff. Yeah, oh
yeah, yeah. Of course he died penniless in a hotel, and he was probably one of the smartest guys to live in the last two hundred years. Oh yeah, oh yeah, he was. I used to like his most of his stuff, right, and especially the way he wanted to propagate
the electricity free electric city to those towers. Right. He also had stuff that was he could cure things with electricity and frequencies as well, four thirty two versus four forty with music and things like that exactly, and weapons and like you used to earthquakes and he was he was really And the acimotor right, without the actor nothing, we won't have robotics right now, you know. And the ac motor is based on that principle of the geocentric of the
the battery system where the whole creation is then the poles and everything. Right, it's crazy how the war tech and with the North Pole in the center. He knew a law because he really valued the real science. That what he was against the relative Einstein and reliberty and the new Toms and all the stuff, because that was bogu of science. He was doing real science. They were doing, like you mentioned earlier, they were doing math. He
was doing science exactly. Yeah, they were doing fake maths and he was doing real science. That's right, that's right. You've made two outstanding projects, and you're definitely I know you once you're going through some downtime, But do you have an idea of what's on the horizon for you as far as your next project or are you not at liberty to say at this point if it's not even nineteen days that I really did my second No, I don't want to come in anything, right sure, sure, Right now I'm focusing
on, like you know, podcasts debates. You know, I want to change a little, you know, Yeah, for sure, I get so you don't want to burn out exactly, Yeah, for sure. Now you mentioned your off grid. We're semi off grid here. We have our well, we have our septic, we have our chickens, we have our greenhouses and things like that. So it's it's it's it's really a way of life. How's your setup? Oh yeah, I did also di y everything. I have a two huge prefabricated house. Then I built around it, you
know, like porch and shed. Then I have a well too. I have my electric system with the solar panels and everything, the whole system. I have all i'd say pressurized system for water looking into the house, you know, Yeah, chickens, a lot of trees, like a forest almost, you know, a lot of nature, wild nature, birds, animals, turtles. Yeah, so growing vegetables, fruits, that's awesome, but
that's what they don't want. They want to keep us busy in the matrix, and that that's why they basically what they did to Tesla is because they couldn't have free energy because they have to make us pay for everything, because
that makes us have to work harder to pay all of our bills. Do you see anything coming this year, because anytime there's an election year in the United States, we know what happened the last one, but it was a nineteen year reset in my opinion, do you think there's anything going to happen big this year or any idea If everybody puts that energy that something going to happen, they want to make it happen there. Yeah, so you're saying, and as you say, we have to be prepared, yeah, for
sure, being like in off grade or everything. Because when this happened two years ago in the nineteen stuff, right, everybody was in there in the boxes locked up. We were here in the nature of living like as if nothing happened, right, So this was like kind of a preparation, you know, because anything could come in the future that as you say, you know, they control us with energy. You don't have water and light.
What are you going to do in your house? Right? And if you are in a city, but there are hundreds and thousands of people looking for light, water and food, it's chaos. Right. So, and this is the thing. If we get free energy, we are free because we could grow in the desert. We could make a greenhouse and grow vegetables or whatever. Right, we could go to Antarctica and grow all the food we want because free energy. Right, this is how they control the majority.
And after the food and the contamination and the rat rays, right, so it's all mixed up with everything, so it's more difficult. So I always say to people, if you have idea to be off grid, go man, do it. You know, the first years are difficult, but after you get your freedom. Right. So even if you have you have a few things to grow, your chicken, the eggs, your animal, you
could survive. Right, You're not gonna right because if you're in a city, a huge megacity, people will kill you for a piece of bread.
Oh yeah, when there's nothing, But there's when there's nothing in the supermarket, right, or if there's no water, or if there's no no gasoline for a few days, right, So we have to take into account all this stuff, you know, to be a bit of prepared at least for a few months if things happen, absolutely, because that's when people hit the grocery stores and then they say there's a food shortage, and I tell people, it's not a food shortage, it's it's a grocery store food. It's
a grocery store shortage. Uh, there's food, it's just everybody buys it out. And we're even expanding this year into rabbit. We do meat chickens as well. We have egg chickens. Nice just you know, after seeing twenty twenty and how silly things can get, you realize, you know, everything gets a little worse. So if everybody's able to sustain a little longer,
that that's going to hold off crime and things like that. And they always say that people who don't have things are going to go after the people who do have things. So our family's mantra here is to be prepared. But we're not fearmongers. We live our lives like I'm sure you do. We don't have TV, we don't watch the news. I will pop onto websites once every other day just to see what the CIA is pushing, right,
what the narrative is. But other than that, we just prepare and we live our life and we're happy to be left alone for the most part. Oh yeah, sometimes it's more better to not have so much of input, wanted input of this society what they want to feed as sounds and noises and vibration that there's any you know, the news, I get paramoriz. I listen in ten minutes in the background the news, I get paramorig I need to get out and breathe. Right, it's just such a bad frequency
in them, you know, and and all these songs. So yeah, it's good to be simple sometimes, you know, it helps for the soul, you know, simple food grown by yourself, even if it's minimum, it's food for your soul. You don't need a lot, right, when we understand that how much we need we take, you don't need a lot then, right, Yeah, And that's another thing our society is guilty of.
I think the lines between need and want have been blurred exactly. Too much of greediness of everything people want to have everything and a lot and a lot of wasting, right, you know, you know how it was in the seventies, eighties, right, and nineties, or was even a bit. But after the things, the consumism has just like it cobbled all of us, right, and the technology together, and we're always getting away from our human behavior, like a natural way of humans of living has just gone.
So it looks like back in the black and white days, right when things used to be. We still watch those old TV shows, say, man, I wish I would have been alive in the fifties, right, No, everything was so simple, just sitting in the living room reading the newspaper, where the fires burning, and no diversions like the internet, the cell phones and everything else. It's just And that's one thing I meant to
mention earlier to you. I always laugh when people say that we are so much smarter than the people from our past, like going back a couple thousand years in tune with how everything worked, and most of it's been hidden from us. Oh yeah, you think. Imagine going to the inside the pyramid and seeing the floor of each floor is made of tongue of a slab,
and the way they are put together, it's not even possible today. And the inside construction is so precise, the match involved and the geometry and the architect involved, and the technology to make that is not even possible today. So imagine what else exists below this? Another what is like you know, with the flood is gone. It's some of the stuff we don't know about about. So that's just one example what these people could do. Do you
have any thoughts on how they were built? Obviously I don't believe the official narrative, but do you have any thoughts? Have you thought about it? I think these people are aready advanced in These people were really advanced for us to have sound levitation or magnetic levitation or you know, just few things we know of. These people could have owned technology that we couldn't even imagine. We see the precision laser cut of the hieroglyphs right, or the connecting of
the stone. They might have technology, but they could literally melt stones, or they could even some say that they could even have produced stones on the spot with the sand. That's what I heard, Yeah, that's the theory. So could be anything or thing that we wouldn't imagine that there's a technology that could exist, right, so I think also it involved like the Atlantean. Right, this is all the remnants of that Lanthean technology which was more
than twenty thousand years old or more. You heard of the emerald tablet to speak about. Sure, right, this is more than twenty thousand years old. So so I think all the sellers about the history is a lie. So if the people have very hard time thinking how the engine could have something so advanced, that's why the people think they're so advance right now, because just because we have a digital stuff, we think we are really high tech.
But it's nothing, it's nothing comparison to what these people were doing and making. And they just left us the bread crumbs there. They don't even give us the best stuff. Oh no, not even close. They speak about that Lenain technology, speak about flying craft They speak about the golden paths made of gold and things levitating, you know. They speak about the golden wains that they used to find of goals were really were were tracks for for
flying vehicles. They speak about these kind of technology in ancient times. They speak about aerial vimanas. They speak about magnetic levitation of vimanas of crafts. They speak about sciences with genetic engineering, that they could do hybrids and every kind of thing we could imagine. There's a lot of yeah, sorry, go ahead, no, no, go ahead. I was just gonna say, there's a lot of people who think that there is something that gold works
with, some type of hidden technology. That's why they put such a high price on it. And if you look, I think it was in the seventies or eighties when they started to shoot up. Obviously it went up because of that. They went off the that they went to fiance currency. But you know, there's rumors of missing gold from nine to eleven. So there's a theory out there that they're trying to get all the gold because it does work with some type of hidden technology that we don't even know about exactly.
And that's just one of the other things that they could use gold for. There have to be more stuff with the gold. Yeah. I even hear that they used to make philosophers stone or some kind of a powder with the gold. They wanted to make philosopher's stone in alchemy. But I also heard that they used to make it from the gold, which they used to call the white gold. It's like a way of immortalities by the ancients. Yes, yeah, they used to drink it back in the day, way way
back in the day. They would drink gold, small amount exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Even now the people eat gold like you know those flakes, gold flakes in their drinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It has to charge or do something like you know the electricity in us, maybe the electrolytes or it helps to move the energy or something, right, right, Well, they know something because the elites they always live to be one hundred years old. That's why I was shocked when rothschild bit the dust
the other day and he was so young. He was only eighty seven. That's very young for one of the elites to die. Yeah. Yeah, normally these people last a long Yeah. They have all the all the riches of the world. They try till the last moment, every kind of most expensive treatment and you know, but they cannot be eternal. They can't be. They can be who knows. But maybe they had they had technology, but they're not giving to these elites too, right, Maybe not immortal,
but maybe a few hundred years right, why not, it's possible. Maybe there are people who live in Himalayas f one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty years old even today. Why because they live in a pristine climate. The water is pure liquid from the Himalayas, untouched by anything. The fruits are you know, the vegetables, fruit, whatever they eat, the meat, everything is like pure clean, you know, so that it affects us. Why you think that people are going more than eighty or ninety years.
You know, maybe in the next generation they know, we're not going to even read seventy you know, with the contamination and with the food and the process and everything right, and with all the extra crab they have bit, you know, with everything else, it's very difficult that the people, you know, maybe they say, oh, maybe they release some technology that the people can live eighteen ninety, but maybe you have to pay a lot of money, you know, a lot of money, yeah, or you die.
Yeah, that's the one one thing everybody would be willing to pay for. Right. It depends what kind of life a person has. Of course, if you don't have quality of life, it's it's certainly are you going to say, you know whatever? Right, yeah, but yeah, we don't know what they have for us. They know they're going to know try to make us more live in fear contaminated us more our food, our the
wars are gonna go on. It's very difficult for looks like there's gonna be something harmonies for this, for this art, with the with the human situation right now, right, yeah, absolutely? Uh. Last question I wanted to ask you, do you think that there is a lands on the other side of the ice walls? Are there places maybe south of Australia through Antarctica. Do you do you think that there is other like like Dave Weiss says,
extra terra extra territory beyond the ice walls. Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely there is and extra and below there are lands. There are supposed to be subterranean walls and extra lands. So according to some culture, these extra lands are so so much land exists that even some say that even our mind cannot imagine so much of extra land exists. And extra humanoids extraterrestrial if you want
to call it. Maybe they're just humanoids with hybrids or mutants or different variations of humanoids, right, having some maybe more evolved than us, much more some maybe like us, some maybe more behind us. Right, we might be a slave plantation here right where they're just taking all the resources, the good stuff, and putting it in the more other parts of the of these extra lands. Right, That's why these people that people disappear. People,
these politicians and musicians also disappear. Right. So it's quite possible that this is a slave plantation. That's why so much of problems, so much of war, so much of stuff that they're doing is because of this. So they can take the real resources and keep it there, and if the time they want to escape, they go there. It's quite possible. And a lot, as I said, a lot of scripture speaks about those extral and a lot of scripture speaks about those extra people and what they could be,
and some going details that we cannot even imagine. They speak about the North Pole, what kind of races they could be. They speak of our Hyperborea, the Asgard, the Shambala, you know. They speaks about beings like giants, the eighties, the sach Quarts, every kind of mythical creatures,
dragons, everything is could be alive in the another pond. Right, and then there are they speak about organic technologies apart from telepathy and remote viewing and out of body experiences like time traveling and like you know, Avatar kind of of stuff. Right, it's crazy, it is. Do you think Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley you're drinking Martinez on the other side of the ice wall?
Who knows? Right, Yeah, maybe there's that whole conspiracy about all those musicians at twenty seven years old and they check out Kirk Coubain and Cherry Henry the ice wall. I don't buy into the whole ice wall stuff. I think maybe there is some part there is ice wall, right, but I think there's just extra land after. There is a couple of video. I think it was released by a Russian no one, I think so.
But it's in Spanish. It's showing that people going through the Antariga and after some ice and this starts again land like Russia, like you know, like northern Hemisphere kind of land like Norway up in their articles yeah yeah yeah, but in Antartica yeah sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy up. I'll see if I can send you a link on It's on TikTok. Yeah. If you find it, sent it to me and I'll link it in the show notes so people can check it out. Yeah, that's awesome.
So many things but you know, they got us wound tight and they'll let us explore only so much, obviously the Antarctic treaty. But I do think they are starting to feel the sweat a little bit because they've been pushing things like moon landings and solar flares lately. So they always push back on something which obviously is very big, and that is to hide God and to believe, you know, in fairy tales, and they reinforce it with their star Wars and Star Trek, And like I said, we were doing the
dishes. I think I told you before we started, and you know, the little news break came on the local radio and they were talking about the moons of Saturn and scientists and they will never let on to let people know how big a deal it is, just because I guess they put so much effort into it and it is such a hard nut to crack, it really is. But was there anything else you wanted to touch on before we wrapped up tonight? All good, brother, If you have any questions or any
last question or whatever, I'm good. It was a great chat. It was amazing, and we're going to have the link to your two documentaries. I'll put your debate with Mick tune in there. I'm going to put the click spring in there as well, and then make sure I didn't have any other questions left in my notes real quick, I think I covered everything I wanted to, and it's just important to get people to know trust what we see. I think I've mentioned it a few times recently, right, because
like this is a white pen. This is kind of what I tell people, and then science will tell you, no, it's a red pen and it's actually a pencil. It's not even a pen. And that's how I equate flat Earth because I think when you're born, you have senses and you're able to trust what you see and what you feel. And then you whether the education system that was hijacked so many you know, over a century ago, and it programs you. So that really leads me to believe that.
I mean, I don't know if the if the fluoride in the water plays part of it, or it's simply just being a product of the environment and where you're brought up. But at some point we have to start using our senses and believing what we see and feel. Right, Oh yeah, people have to start paying attention. This is what the people have to do first of all, and separate the things right and see about the flat out,
because what you think is what you become. Right. If you are thinking of a fanda the world, you are going to be in a fanda the world, right. But if you think the true cosmology of the of the creator, of the divine, you are going to go in the right way. You're going to become like similar right in the way of the creation, what was made for us, right, and not this indoctrination. Yep, absolutely, Well, it's been great, and folks will have Vica's YouTube channel.
Make sure you subscribe and click that bell so you get notified. Go to Facebook, you know, like and become his friend there. I think you said you have sixty thousand folks there on my Facebook group. Yeah, well Flattered Association sixty thousand members. Awesome, so that'll be there as well, and all the other links we talked about. And Vick again, thank you so much. I know it's about one thirty in the morning in Spain and it's been just a great conversation and I'd like to give you the last
word to address the audience before we sign off. Oh it's a it's a great pleasure to be here. Yes, keep an open mind. Yeah, see through the The Creator has given as eyes to see, so separate things, filter things right, go with your instinct, listen to yourself, pay attention right and see the truth cosmology right, our flatter geocentric station, Shad. Thank you George, and yep, thanks for all the listeners too. Yeah, it was a great conversation. God bless you, and we'll stay
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