The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I hope this finds you well. As we record on this Monday afternoon, February the twenty six, shortly after one pm Eastern time. We have a great guest standing by from the great state of Texas will be joining us in
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any further ado, let's bring our guests on the show today. Joining us again from Texas is Sean Sean. How are you doing today, sir great George. Thank you so much for having me. I tell you this is this, This show is God send to me. It's been a light in the fog. Youmail and just a cozy little corner I can, you know, check out and and get to at least once or twice a week. And I really shape the work you're doing and appreciate you having me here.
Absolutely, it's great to have you. And really the show is all about our guests. They're the ones who have really I think helped people realize. Around the world, and I mean around the world. We get emails from
every continent except for Antarctica, but that's another story. But it's I think the one thing that really helps people understand is I'm not the only one who thinks like this, because in all of our own little worlds, in the little circles, we have very few people maybe in rare instances, but very few people have you know, a bunch of people they can sit down and have these type of conversations. So I think it is a little therapeutic for
people to understand that there are like minded people around the world. Absolutely, I mean, that's just it. It's not a not an easy conversation just to drop, you know, small talk. Hey how about that flat earth? You know? And you know, I've been listening to your shows. I've seen, you know, the different ways that maybe segue. Interesting way these CODs. So but you know, uh, I think people starting to awaken. I think they're seeing more. I won't our most recent mood landing.
I'm sure you heard about that right the other night. Yeah, the one where they were told that they landed on the moon and they all collapsed. No, no video, no, not thinking, but a nice little animation, you know, uh for ten second animation. So but uh, it's it stabs me. And it's just like, why don't she again? Once you go flat, you never go back, so you know, you
you just the things just pop out to you. I mean the things that you would have just passed by or not even give, you know, a second thought to now just stand out like you know, it's it's amazing. Yeah, before we get too deep into the conversation, once you go ahead and take a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience. Absolutely, Well, my name. You know, I grew up here in Texas. I've I spent a lot of time between here in Dallas. I you know,
again, we're kind of the same age. We were talking about that earlier, you know gen X Yeah, so and growing up with the with the you know, we moved around a lot, and so that sort of gave me, you know, kind I kind of always had a wonder loss.
I was always wondering, you know, what's around the corner, what's on the other side of the mountain, and uh, just better to have new experiences, go new, because you know, I the beach Carawak pretty much, you know, I you know, I read the on the Road and Dharma Bums and and it was It's kind of got me wanting to go live in the Northwest. So out of college I went and I worked up in
Yellowstone National Park. Oh wow, uh for two stay and what great grade aher ants and just you know, could go up to both men, go down, you know, all over Montangna uh, and just have that experience and worked with people. And I was a food production ger, so worked within the concessions of Yellowstone National Park and you'd wake up, you'd have a bison sleeping on your front port. So it just you know, continued to sort of travel around the Northwest area, Seattle of Portland, Idaho, just
to get that area. Followed a girl finally to Cincinnati, opened up a couple of Mexican restaurants there. I worked for a company called Don Pablo's. Did that for a few years and just got tired of the food industry, got in decided to get into real estate. That's when I moved back to Austin and did commercial real estate for about five years and really just got tired
of the suit and tie job and wanted to have a different experience. I was just kind of looking on the internet one day and I said in Paradise and it was from a resort in Portal in Mexico, And I got on an Apple vacation, flew down there for three days, decided that's it, I'm moving to Mexico where and pretty much didn't come back to the States for twenty years. So I uh, I lived down there were Mexican girl.
We uh had a lot of just awesome experiences, you know. I mean I could tell you all about Mexico, goggling all the way down to even Pull you know, seeing all the ruins down there, you know, Juana Juanto, just there's just so many beautiful places that people don't see in Mexico and just really having you know, again a different type of experience, different culture was great. And then eventually moved to Costa Rica. Uh kind of
influence. So he did like the idea that you couldn't actually own property in Costa Rica. So that's when he moved out to Costa Rica. And then I went down there and I lived there about ten years and had some pretty interesting experiences as well. That's are you there, Yeah, yeah, you're doing just fine. That's just an incredible Listen to your story. A couple of things. A Number one, you spent the first uh after you know, your time in Yellowstone in the food industry. The food industry is no
joke. You work hard and long hours in that business. It was it was eighty or weeks. I mean my waiters were making more money than me as a min Sure, you know I had day off. I mean it was it was. I mean I probably should have called Osha or something. I don't know, but it was pretty bad. But yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's it's it's your your NonStop you know, and uh,
it's great. It's a I think career if you're young, you know, but after you get started getting closer to thirties, you're like, there's got to be something better out there. And that's kind of when I got into real estate. I've pretty much been in real estate and full some old career. So so you spent twenty years in Mexico, Mexico. What was the decision you made to leave there after twenty years? Well, it's actually about ten years in Mexico in about ten years in Costa Rica. So it's kind
of oh, got gotcha twenty years outside the country. Well, you know, I get it. It's it's my main reason for coming back from Costa Rica was COVID. There was there was a there was just no tourism happening there, and that's all my this was based on that. I worked at a place where we sold property, you know, anywhere from sixty thousand dollars to three hundred thousand dollars and then we'd actually build a house for you as
well. And they were all beautiful ocean views down in a place called Masara, which was it was cool as an adventure. I mean, it was the coolest job I ever had because people we'd fly people in on a and we'd put them in a well, they'd have a chef, you know, and all that was there was to either serve or go to do yoga. And uh, it's so then come down there for that and then you know, we would wide and dine them and it was about a three day sail
and then finally you know, he put them on a boat. They would go see the dolphin and the sea turtles and it was just, you know, a phenomenal appearance. You know, in that last day it let You're like, so that's where you kind of asked, that's the question. You're ready to buy now? And if they add the money, ugu sleep would it would buy something there? You know nice? But we would, we would cross rivers and I mean, this this landover I had, man,
they could do anything. And then but it was it was an amazing experience. So if myth, if my math adds up correctly, you left the States right around two thousand and two thousand and one, so right around nine to eleven, right right at nine to eleven, happened when I was in Mexico. Yeah, so I experienced it from there, and you know, I remember just dropping down the road in Port of Ayata and then I saw the guy holding the newspaper with the two towers of fire. Yeah, yeah,
that's had. But you know, my awakening had already kind of started before that. Being for Austin, you know, I I actually, uh, I know, I know you're you're kind of funny about Alex Jones, but I actually saw him when he was started on Access Cable in Austin. That's that's where that's where my awakening started. So I had to give him for that early in the mid nineties, right, yeah, yeah, And
I was like, who is this guy on Access cable. He's just going on about the uh, you know, the U N and this and and and you know, Club of Rome and and I'm like, so I started digging into all this. I was like, what what what is this will be? You know, then it was a Genda twenty, was Agenda twenty then at that point yeah, then twenty twenty, now twenty thirty, right, that's twenty thirty. So and so that's kind of said, we're my
awakening to the the world government. What was happening, What how they were wanting to you know, what, what what their plans were? I mean, and for the most part, he's you know, he's been pretty on
target. I mean, you know, that was the one thing I wanted to talk to you about as far as you know, controlled opposition, you know, what how you consider him and maybe you know, Tucker Carlson, some of these other people, you know, I I guess my My question is, you know, what do they get out of it at the end of the day, you know what what what is there? You know, are they club? Do they do they? You know, what is their ro what is their reward? Because I hear Alex Jones and he's always professing
he's a Christian and there he is. No, it's not a you know, I I can't think of it right now, all things Israel, yes, right, gotcha? What would that? What would that be? What would you be considered if you're for you're pro zionist, if you're not a Zionist, yeah, prozionist. So and you know, and I get it's funny because when he when he gets guests on and they bring that up, he gets really weird. Yes he does. You know, I'm like, there's got to be something there. So what is that? Who is he
getting a checked on her table? What? What is his you know again he claims that he that he's Christian, he does is for God and he is no, no affiliations, nothing. But then You're like, I just see that that way. You know, it's weird. One hundred and ten
percent. And for me, when I did my research that that the big turning point in his career was twenty thirteen and Austin, where his warehouse is, where he does his I mean, I think he's moved a few times, but literally two blocks away from his current location is strapf And Strapford is
the largest Israeli intelligence corporation in the United States. And if anybody, if you've never heard this before, go google the dancing Israelis researched the Yodogo message system, met just Lucky, Larry Silverstein and things like that, and you'll you'll always you'll find your truth to nine to eleven. But when he highlight about I mean he was you know, bullet and all that. I mean,
I know he was completely involved in that. Yeah, And how how refreshing was actually Tucker to bring that guy on from the University of Anchorage, Alaska last week, This guy who is a professor of architecture, and the folks from the Architects and Engineers for nine eleven Truth came up to him back in twenty eighteen and gave him a large check and said, hey, we want you to research this. No, no, we're not going to tell
you what to think or anything. And he said, I'm not going to tell you how it happened, but I will tell you if the official story passes this test. And this guy, with two of his highest best students for a year researched this and he said, there's no way on God's green earth that this could have happened. But the interesting thing was, and this validates me what I always say I should say is when they first came to him, he didn't even realize there was another building that fell on September the
eleventh. He was only aware of building one and two. It's still people that don't believe that there's still people that building seven. They're like, what are you talking about building seven? What? It's lazy? Yeah, it's it's I told you you could stand up front of Walmart nine to nine people, or it will say two buildings fell in New York City on nine to eleven. But back to Alex Jones, I think he is obviously. Twenty thirteen was a big, big turning point when he hired Stratt four as an
associate. I forget her name, but she actually came on board. And part of it is for disclosure because that's loan. That's their way of saying, we told you so. But at the same time, it's a way of making us look silly. Right, Alex Jones, if you type his name into a gift, it's him with the tinfoil hat making the song about the gay frogs. That that's so I think it's it's a dual headed his
purpose. Yeah, I mean, it's just, yeah, just to to marginalize you if you even get any information from him, or that's what I think it is, mostly just to have enough people people will just kind of wave it off. Oh yeah, that's that Alicus Jones, you know for sure. But at the same time, and I made I did one episode on him last year. I made it very clear that I would never tell anybody not to listen to him, because, like I said, they use
him as disclosure. So when people say Alex was right, well, that's because that's their disclosure, right exactly. Yeah, And you know, and you look into like, you know, the Cabalis is so hard and all that as well, and you know, you see Tucker with a little pink string on his arm, You're going, it's right, what's that about?
Yeah? Okay, but but yeah, I mean that's you know, once nine to eleven, once that came off the rails, I kind of as you know, you go back and you start looking at the Kennedy assassination, you get the Gulf of Tonkin, you go back and you look at it all. I mean even too World War two. I mean, it's it's just you look at that every every almost war we got into, our have gotten into, has been a false flag of some sort or or elite at
very least a stand down, you know for sure. And for people questioning what you're saying or don't understand what you're saying, is we knew about Pearl Harper November twenty fifth, twenty six and full ten days before it happened. Oh yeah, absolutely so anyway, but that's that's that's kind of where where
I start. And I was that guy. I was that guy George running around you know during the nine to eleven and when loose change came out, passing out DVDs, got to see this, you know, and I was I was the crazy guy, you know, because because I knew it was I knew it was done on purpose. And it's but to this day, you know, so that you still can't talk to people about it. If you see, if you look, they just kind of start glazing over.
You know, when when you started bringing things up like that, it's and that's that you know easily goes into flat earth too, And it's just like you you just mentioned that word, and people's programming kick in, the dissidence kicks in, and they're like, what are you talking about? You know? And I was that way. You know, I hope the stat for a long time, but you know, I've you know, I came to
Christ when I was forty one years old in Mexico. I was baptized in the ocean, and I it took me a long time to get there. And you know, I I was the you know, it was to the prodigal son. I was the guy went to the foreign land. And I didn't spend all my dad's money, but I mean I was, you know not and I was a lot of girl chasing a lot of you know, I so great things in my life that I live back on. I was like, okay, but you know that's just sort of that that that's kind
of what the lifestyle down there promoted me. Just you know, you're you're working, you go out, you get drinks. You know, things happen, and you know that's sort of uh, the way it worked, and and and that's pretty prevalent throughout anybody living down there. You know. It's funny. When I first moved down there, the bartender asked me, Sean, there's two reasons why people are here. You're either wanted or unlunted, Which what are you? That's interesting? But you know, and and so
I I've had this. I've again this is the sort of thirst for truths and what is the truth? And and again finally came to the terms that really the only truth is Christ and it It's took me to so long get there because the ways of the world just they just they divert you, they send you in different actions. And the flesh is is hard sometimes, you know it is. And that's kind of become our mantra on the other podcast is at the bottom of every rabbit hole of Satan, and it is.
It really started Blake with nine to eleven and everything else. And then when I got to flat Earth, you truly, at least for me, you realize that it's it's it's bigger than all these rabbit holes, and you understand that it is truly a spiritual war. And then that's when you know, you complete the circle and it completely leads you back to God. And I've immersed myself back into the Bible. And you know, when I talk about the truth, it used to be, well, which history book do we
try to trust? But then you realize that there's only one book you can trust, and that's the Bible. That's it, and that's and then it's it's at that point, it's almost every other conspiracy becomes trivial because the biggest conspiracy that's been held all over us is the Earth. You know, this is I did we live on a glow? And that that? And it's
yeah, I think everybody handles it differently. I I I was to the point because there was a friend of mine who actually kept sending me all these memes of the flat earth, Flat Earth, flat Earth, and you know, I was kind of a loot with them. So and I finally just woke up to this, you know, probably i'd say about six months ago. And because he was a guy I hung out with in Costa Rica, we were good buddies, and you know, he uh, he went through
some some trials and tribulations shout out to Travis. But he uh he he moved back to the States as well and also came to Christ and so we're both brothers in Christ now. And it's it's a great you know, he's my my one outlet that I can you know, shoot stuff to and say, hey man, you see this, Oh God, can you believe this? You know so but but yeah, he's uh, you know, I I dug into it and I said, this is ridiculous. I'm glad. I think this is where most people start their journey, like, I'm this
is so I'm gonna look at this and figure this out. And then I started getting to to the measurements, the age uh square, you know, per mile, the circumference of the Earth. Started looking at all the NASA videos and the NASA thing is just what I think. Really, I finally when you when you look back at it, you're going, you're looking at this the model that looks like it was put together with paper mache, lasting
off, going we really leave this people. Oh because it was on TV rock right, you know you you see you talk to get My other's a perfect example when I talked to her about it to say, hey, you know, Mom, you know, have you ever thought about this? And she's a very spiritual one, but it's like she cannot It's like almost she's almost in the age where she just can't take in information and accept it.
I don't know, just I don't want it to be a point of contention, but just okay, you know, yeah, it's it can be a point of contention. And you know, with all the conversations I've had with people over the last few years, specifically about flat Earth, it's okay to
pull back. It can even be detrimental to overdo it. But just just planning that seed, just having that conversation, even if you get shut down when it's broached, the next time, they're going to go back and remember the conversation they had to you, and they're going to be like, oh, that's two people who mention it. And maybe just having planted that seed
will give them enough motivation to look for themselves. And we know, like you, like myself and everybody else, they'll go in to debuncket and within a couple of days guess what, Yeah, you're going what what? Yep, your mind's a boy. Me. I don't know how you handle it, but I mean I was for a gig set of rule weeks just like almost like a constantly searching just I mean, eighty hours a day looking at it, going I can't believe this. We've lied to you this whole time.
This is just this is the biggest lie ever you know, and you know that's the gazip. But but I think the best thing that it has done for me has brought me closer to die. It's brought me closer to God. Realize that I have a creator above me that cares about me, that you know, loves me. And and it's just it's been it's it's strengthen that relationship. But you know, I mean I still have some some
some issues with some of the Old Testament. I mean, you know I read it, but you know I read some of the things like you know, Isaiah, Isaiah, Deuterotomy, Isaiah at thirteen, you know, get into I mean, you know it's talking about you know, getting getting a green light on on on rape and robbery and smashing children. I just I'm
still trying to understand that, you know. I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of people out there, there's a lot of you know, influences on YouTube, and you you go and you look at some of these things, and some of these guys that have gone more of the you know, they can get into the I don't know if you're familiar with the Nakamati all the Gnostic type Christianity. Have you even read into any of that stuff. I've familiar with that. I have not gone deep into it whatsoever.
I mean, it's it's well, it's it's it's a lot of like a lost books, similar to the Dead People. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean we've founded like some container in Egypt, and you know they have the different books of you know, of Thomas, and you know, again you're not sure how they're wrong. You just you mean, you read it. It's interesting. But you know, I'm still gonna as my main sore stick with the kJ A v Y. You know, I do compare all the different Bibles. I mean I look
at the ex V, I look at the Net Bible. Well, I look at it, you know, apologetics, bulls, you know CSB. So I mean it's I think you have, you know, to kind of get a get a well rounded understanding. Sure, absolutely, I'm and again going back the Bible had eighty before you know, King James decided to scratch fourteen of them, right, which was the Bible of the Reformation. So and again it's you know, I've read them. I think they're good tools
to read. And I know it's a big point of contention amongst a lot of people. There's YouTube channels, like you said, that are completely dedicated to uh, you know, the Apocrypha and many of the Gnostic teachings. Oh yeah, like like I mean, you know, I don't know, like I heard, like Billy Carson and some of those guys. I mean they get into almost the woo woo uh kind of stuff. You know. Yeah, yeah, they just they they don't believe in Christianity, you know,
so they they some of us, I believe in Jesus. But this, you know, where this there's too many conflicts and and that's you know, some of the things I was talking about in some of the older tests. But you know, I think the guy who really brought me back to the Old Testament and sort of kind of put a lot of because it's it's really a mosaic, you know, put a lot of pieces together, as a Chael Heiser, Doctor Michael heis. I don't know if you've ever read
any of his books, The Unseen Realm. I I've heard of his name, I haven't read his books. I'm pulling him up now. They're definitely gonna check it out because he really kind of got it from where where we started and all the rebellions that happened in the Bible and kind of what God's his. His worldview is in Deuteronomy thirty two and is basically he believes that God had most pantheon or eloheen. He was a he is a Hebrew scholar. He worked for a company called Logos, so he was their in house
Bible scholar. But his whole doctorate was based on that, you know, and it was it was based on Psalms eighty two yep, which I don't know if you have that. That where where God is talking to the Son of God and and basically upset with him how they how he they have let people kind of become very sent very wicked, And that's kind of where you
know. So the first obviously in the garden second rebellion was Genesis six with when when the angels uh uh that with what with whomen and created the Dethelene, and then and then the so we need the flood, and then the the third one was the apple in the languages, and and put everybody all over the world. And so he really kind of sums that up the Unstein Realm. It's again, it's a great I've got to check it out. He wrote several other ones as well, but it's it's duly louted with the
principalities and that God once he scattered everybody. You know that he kind of put different people in the gods of the Greek gods and over different people around the world. And and he just he said, I'm just going to take the Israelites. I'm just going to take them. Those going to be my people. And the rest he gave to other angels or or elohem heavenly hosts, and they basically had them start worshiping, worshiping them instead of instead of
God. So and that's when you know he sent He sent Jesus and and basically after Jesus' resurrection and Paul was spraying the Gospel, his job was to really reunite all of God's people once again and let them know that these uh, these were not there not. This was a God that there's only one God, and so yeah, it's it's it's interesting. But Jack put put a lot of the Old Testament together for me. And yeah, two points I wanted to make if I could. Number one, you had mentioned what
was his name? I just headed up in front of me, Michael Isser, Michael Heiser. Yeah, which who just asked? A year ago the other day. He just died not too long ago, h last year, pancreatic cancer. Yeah. So I Psalm eighty two basically God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, and he judgeth among the gods. What's interesting if you go to the Wikipedia about Psalm eighty two. Petronella Moens, who was the blind I think Dutch painter from the seventeen hundreds. Uh her picture that
sure does look like our dollar bill. It's got the uh pyramid, Wow, the pyramid with the all seeing eye. Yeah, there you go. That is so interesting. Yeah. So but but yeah, I mean I've I've had my own sort of spiritual experiences as well, and you know, I did, I've done done some things that and again I don't not want to glorify it, but I did a couple of ayahuasca ceremonies as well. Really, and when I was in Costa Rica, Yeah, and I'd already
been safe. So I again don't don't want to glorify this because I don't think I would do this again. But it was it was a very interesting experience. But it's certainly witchcraft, and it's certainly we're not supposed to do that. And like I said, if I didn't have the protection of Christ over me, you know, I think it could have gone a different way, you know. But yeah, I did it with a shamana. She was from Peru and heard her husband had an organic nursery and they would have
these ceremonies, you know, up on the weekends. So but I took it very seriously, you know, I kind of you know, I wanted to have intention, and I did, you know, wanted to do the right way, you know, So I did. They have a special diet, you don't eat any type of sugar, spicy, just a very bland diet for a week containing mostly fish, rice, you know, almost like a cleansing, and then uh, you know, don't you know, the
day before you just maybe eat some eggs and some fruit. So I went up, you know, went up there and they the first thing they sit you down and say, look, if you're on any type of s s ryes or any type of psychological antipsychotics, you cannot do this, right. So they give you a little speech there and then you just have yep you. She comes in and she starts doing these what they call like heroes, you smoke what they call this, uh, but it's called pachauma, my
pacha, my patcha. I'm sorry, my pacha is like a tobacco and kind of go again, going around doing the ikiros, which are she's bringing in the supposed ayahuasca gods, which is the egg again not not thinking this through Georgia. No, it's like and it's just this is not of God for sure, but you know, and I wanted to have this experience, and so I you know, I did, but probably a hero does. I did five cups wow of it. And it was a trinty wild experience.
I had just at this point just moved recently to Costa Rica about six months I had coming off of a divorce. I was kind of in this just not really great place and and this is kind of what I thought, I need it, you know. And so once you kind of go into this cause you're not really seeing, you're not moving around. I mean,
you're just on the mat and just everything just starts coming at you. And first of all, that the first thing that I see is this big sort of you know, library, and I don't know if he's what are they called with the Duobe decimal sys. Yeah, the little one they call things that little is that card catalogs? Yeah, the card catalogs. Anyway, it's this is all your problems. Here's every thing that has it ever happened to you in your life. You can look at it if you want to,
but you don't need to. This is this is the voice I'm hearing in my in my head. And then the second thing I heard is this is our language. This is the language of the universe. This is how we speak. It was almost this sort of pulsating sounding, almost like a lower tone of crickets, like you know, crickets or are sure at keita? That's sort of that was that kind of sound. And so we say, this is our language. And basically I was sitting under this huge dome
and I felt these other type of entities there. Again, they didn't seem harmful in any way. Didn't seem like they wanted to do anything bad, but they they kind of looked at me like I was almost like a dog, Like you know how you look at a dog and oh he's cute. Look at that shit. Not not really as a human being, you know, just just kind of a funny little just sitting there and you know, kind of making jokes at me. And and then this, I was sitting
under this huge dome. This is bringing it to the flat ear. So I'm just thinking, wow, now that I'm thinking back at this was that dome, that the that under you know, and all these feathers were floating on this dome. And and at the end of it, I have a very interesting sense of peace and and I felt like I had, you know,
a different skin. So but again I I I think it could have gone different way if I hadn't been if you know, and I said, that was kind of a maybe It's I was still a baby Christian, just getting into, you know, starting to read the Bible, so I hadn't got to that part yet about you know, you shouldn't do uh pharma chia and yeah, and but now I said, I don't recommend and in no way do I want to glorify it because I think it's a portal such you
can up and you probably shouldn't shouldn't do that. You can get there different just by praying. So absolutely, anyway, is that something that you ever two things? Did you feel like you're in control the whole time or is it something that you were I did. I did feel in control the whole time. I never felt out of control. I mean, you do have to puke or you know, at some point you have to get rid of
it. And it was it was that was not the fun part. But and you know, but like I said, a lot of people, I think I would have even had that experience, had did the diet and everything. Sure, a lot of people just showed up and nearly cared, had just eaten you know, turkey seat. They didn't have such a good experience, you know, and they just threw up and left and okay, you know, but yeah, I mean there's there's definitely a different type of realm
there that we don't see. There's a curtain that we don't see, you know. But yeah, it was uh and it said I did it a second time, and it was forth again, filling the connection and everything's connected. You know, I was outside, I actually walked outside this time, and you were seeing it was kind of like Avatar when the plants would go
to the to the arm and wrap around it. Yeah, it's kind of like everything kind of just looked like it was looking at you, and you just again felt this sort of pulse, the sort of connection between everything. But anyway, but yeah, it's it was still an experience. Yeah, you hear people talk and it only lasts a few seconds, right or maybe a minute? No, No, this is no, it was it's ours.
It's four hours. Oh my goodness. Well y'rs. Well you're thinking about I think d m T when you smoke it, it is d MT, but because it's ingested, it's a longer experience. The one that you're talking about is one where they smoke it got you. But yeah, anyway, so but yeah, those days are past. Don't do that anymore. I got I got an eight year old to take care. Sure, absolutely, was there kind of going back to the flatter or was there videos or
what? I know? I think you said you had a friend that mentioned it to you. Yeah, what was there? Videos? Books? What was the thing that kind of got you to understand it and uh led you into flutter. So I think the what, Yeah, it started with with
with videos. I mean I went and you know, because I looked at flat Earth and around two thousand and fifty, and I remember a video had come out and it was one of those it was just kind of like, well, you know where the videos like those description videos and then they draw stuff out with some slides and it just talked about Admiral Bird and yep, and so it was like, that's that's interesting. I kind of got into
it. And then I think I saw the Netflix thing that said, well is where they debunked it behind the curve or something like that on the curve with the lasers and they weren't lining up, and then you know, and then then I sort of dismissed it again, you know, and I kind of said, oh, okay, that's it's stupid, all right. And then my friend Travis, like I said, started sending me stuff and I
started looking into it, looking into it. Looked at all the NASA stuff, you know, started started digging into NASA, looking at all their videos and all their the the their fails you know, with the wire harnesses, the challenger. I got into how all the people were still alive. The what's his name, Bart sa Bar yeah yeah, looked at all his stuff with it to got onto uh hibbler, looked at all the level videos and and just again started slowly just putting it together, and just again the mas
overall just didn't ever didn't match up. You know, the idea that things could stick to a ball. Just I'm like, that doesn't make any sense where in nature? Anywhere in nature does that represent it nowhere? So you know it's I'm sorry to me to cut you off, just gonna say, but here's here's something I want to ask, because everybody brings it up, like almost every person I've ever interviewed, at some point of our life.
We all all of us, whether you're flat Earth or not. Like when that comes up, the ball sticking to the water, sticking to the ball, Like I never bought that either, but we just continued on with our life. And now that we're on the side of the fence, it's just like, what why don't we take that extra step to question things? That's the big question, Like the gravity when they swing in a bucket and they say that's gravity, then face it outward, Andy or the water, the
ball. Why don't we take that extra step in questioning these things. Well, that's the thing is that I think it's it's just because it's just it's the cognitive dissonance. I mean, I think it's it's just it's it's so programmed, so hard. I mean, you walk into your kindergarten class and there's a globe. You know, I've heard you mentioned this. There's a
globe in every movie, there's a globe. I mean, everywhere we go there's a globe, you know, So it just becomes a part of I think, are just every day you know, you don't, I mean you look. I mean I can sit here and look at my icons, I see globes. You open up your Apple phone and you see a globe. So the idea, I think it's just it's drilled in us so hard that we don't question it. And I'm mad at myself being, you know, looking into conspiracy. You know, since ninety six, Why did I never
think of this? You know, I don't know. It's it's a good question, and that also, I believe leads to really show how much effort they put into the cloak that the globe conspiracy, because you know, all of us if we're able to look in to you know, nine to eleven and all these things which are very big on the scale of uh, you know, conspiracies, but even all of us who were into the deepest whatever rabbit holes. Even for me, for the longest time, I'd get an
email that says, hey, have you looked at delete right? Right? And but now what happened you just because you're like, I don't have the I don't have the bandwidth for that. I just what that's silly, you know. And because we're caught up in our day to day because we're busy, we're working, we're trying to make money, we're trying to survive, and it just needs to becomes something that I can't do that, you know.
I think that's where it is. I think that's for me. The older you get, the harder it was for me to that's a lot to unwind. You know, I was forty eight or forty nine maybe when I came across it. That's a lot to unprogrammed. Yeah, no, it is, I said, it's it's it's been very difficult for me. It's been very difficult for me. But but it's funny now now that I am to it, Yeah, everything just stands out. Like I said when I
saw the oh first time back on the moon in fifty years. No, no, you know, and I'm just like laughing to myself, like, okay, because we are in, we are in. I know, it's a sealed environments. There's there's we're not moving outside of it, you know, And and there's so many there are so many universal mysteries that we still haven't tauted it into. Chesla was starting to get there, you know,
I know that you know, the the numera. You know, he was obsessed with three six nine yep, you know, and how that you know that was the answer to the universe, you know, because everything was divisible by that. You know, there's still people that believe, you know, there's a lot of people out there that think we're in a full simulation. I mean, I don't know if you've ever listened to Jason uh Brochard's at
all. He's uh he was a Southern Baptist, you know, all the way and he is now convinced based on he and he's he's he's an interesting guy. You can check out his YouTube channel as well, but you know, he was in prison for like twenty seven years, and all he did
was read books. And he's very, very knowledgeable, but you know, he's he's convinced of this, that all these events that have happened to the flood, the you know, all the major things in the Bible that you know, and there's a connection with the pyramid and because it's again lost knowledge. But have you ever heard of the uh, the phoenix phenomenon? Have you heard it all? It's it sounds familiar, but fill me in.
Okay. So it's it's basically an event that had said that you and again everything is divisible into this one hundred and thirty eight You know, if you look at all these times, these moments in history, but it's every one hundred and thirty eight years, it's like certain type of resett that happens. Just again, google the phoenix phenomenon. The last one was in nineteen oh two. I was gonna say, why the nih the mud Huh It's actually
on the National Library of Medicine's website. Okay, okay, and uh anyway, so that's nineteen oh two was a it was a time with again another kind of surrounded by mystery, with the mud floods and you know, babies and incubators and things like that. Was it was kind of around that time, late eighteen hundreds. So that was the last one. That the next one that they say we're gonna have is in twenty forty, in May sixteenth. So you know, is that revelation is that you know what what is
is what will unfold at that time? You know. But yeah, he has a web he has a YouTube called Archaics, and and again he's he's he's got some pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, I know that I'm sub to that. Gotcha. Yeah, exactly you were talking about Go back to the the the ministerry we're talking about you say, Jason Richards. Uh, then the Yeah, he's he's not, it's not he's not it's not a ministry.
He's he's he's he's not a Christian anymore. Supposedly, he's he believes there's an oversoul that that we're in a sort of a simulation type theory. Oh, gotcha. But but no, but and then back to your other question kind of again what I started going through, like I went through Denotle stuff. Sure, Uh, there's actually a guy he does a pretty good presentation called Ray mcberry uh through Pinnacle Baptists, and he does a biblical cosmology,
does an eight part series. It's definitely worth checking out. You know, know he got goes through stuff again. The vacuum. That's another thing, the vacuum of space. How can our you know, our stratosphere not be sucked into the vacuum of space? You know, dark energy, all these different things that you have to come up with to make their plan work. You know, it's it's just yeah, it's it's you just touch seeing lie after lie and how it's all layered, and you just that that's when
you finally go, Okay, I get it. Is to keep us away from God. Absolutely, you want to keep us away from God and our Creator. And and I think we are. I think we're we're you know, Satan is in here with us. And is all these aliens that that people see. I mean, oh, they're trying to bring into all this New Age type stuff now that you know we're gonna we're you know, they're doing all this slow disclosure of release. Man, the these these creatures have
been here since the beginning of time. You know, they they've they've they've they're they're stuck here with us, you know, and so they're there ideas to twist everything, to distort everything, to make it a nation of creation. And you know, I don't know if you ever like listened to like, you know, Stephen Grier, you know, with the Orbs. Have you ever have you ever seen me of that? Yeah? He was on different right, Yeah, I think he's been on Rogan a few times.
I can't hardly been anymore. I mean I used to like him a lot, but he just I don't know, he's I think he talked about controlled up position. I mean it's like, yeah, can you imagine not having like with sid get on Rogan? He would blow his mind. Yeah, Rogan completely flipped the script when he went to Spotify. And I don't know how how it goes from saying how ridiculous is the moon landing? To oh,
yeah we went to the moon. Well, and he's the big friend Eddie Brob was, you know, Yeah, yeah, And I mean it's like, so that's why I don't I don't really put a lot of faith in Rogue anymore right now. I think he's on the pay pay plan for sure. But yeah, I mean, like you again, I'm there's this there's this other guy, Chris Bloodsoe, the Bloodsoe family. Again, I don't know if you've ever looked into it, but he's also an ORB guy. And he says he can call orbs and and and I'm just thinking,
what is that? You know? He you got to read his story his he wrote up a book, the UFO. But he has these all these ties, yeah, Ufo of God. And he has all these ties into NASA from I mean, all the guys from Colonel what's his name, the guy that did the staring at Yeah, well, I gotta I gotta read it up here. I'm gonna hold up that he's involved. All these are people from AASA. Once he had this experience, uh with these with these
beings. You know, he had uh an n encounter with a woman and and all and there was a bull there which is also it's she had they had these creatures that have the reverse the upside down triangle which goes into the rosa uh Frisian stuff, you know. And yeah, it's it's crazy, you know, it's you're just wondering again, what kind of deception is this? You know? And he says, this guy, Chris bloods Yeah, there's a there's a interview he did I think with Danny Thomas that he goes
through everything. He's definitely worth checking out Danny Thomas. I don't know if you're watching any of his stuff on YouTube podcasts a little bit, I've seen it. Yeah, anyway, there's just look at that interview, and he goes through the whole thing of when he first encountered the orbs, where he found him, how he's healed people. I think they even pictured it looks
like a demon of you know, but they're not. And they how they have these little guys with the upside down triangles that he met, and his whole family's involved in it. He and he's and he's a super nice guy and all these people and Washington actually called him. He said, he healed this guy and he and he these these these beings helped him do it, you know, and they have helped him heal other people. And I'm just
like, what is that? You know, what what? And he's very genuine and it's like, you know, I don't think he's full of it, you know, I mean, I know there's a lot of people out there that do that, but you know, like I said that that's and then we're starting to see all these these you know, these uh u a ps and and different videos that they're releasing, you know, with all this anti gravity you know, technology that there's no way to do. You know,
is that us? Is that angel technology? What is that? You know? Or isn't simply deception to get you to buy into origin all? Is it all deception? Exactly? So again trying to filter all that out sometimes and and and understand you know, what what is reality and what is not? You know. Yeah, and when when you get into a lot of these people who are affiliated, did you say Chris Bledsoe was was affiliated with NASA? Yes, that's what that's That's what I'm saying, getting back
to that. And I think, like, you know, he's the John Ronson guy. Was he affiliated with NASA too? It was a colonel right, Yeah, he was, he was. It was him. Let's see. So you had Hal poven Meyer who was also a big Blue Project Blue Book person. Also worth A and NASA are synonymous. They are one organization.
I don't I don't you know, And I think, like I said, they have somehow tapped into this this technology, this hidden technology that were the in portals and things like that that bring in demons, bring in other entities that we don't know about, you know. I mean if you get into j. Parsons and and part and rocketry and all that. Yep, I mean you know that was part of it with Aleister Crowley and doing those
blood sex rituals. Yes, exactly, Like That's what I was trying to get to was all this stuff goes back to this magic with a K exactly exactly. So, and that's what I think NASA is all about. At the end of the day. I think that they used the space as this sort of you know, distraction, but it's all about that. So yeah, hol Povenmeyer, you got you should look this guy. This is the
guy that came and visited. He brought this weird piece of material that folded like metal, but it folded and Chris Bloodsoe was the only one who had a reaction to it, but they were all tied in. And then he ended up with this guy, Timmoth Taylor, who was they called the Dragon, who was pretty much at charge of all the launches, all the NASA launches since the late sixties seventies. He was the main There was this one
place that they went this one area. I need to send you this, Reddilyn, that only like seven people including all the astronauts, like twenty something people have ever been in there that he got to go into. So all these high end government CIA people he was dealing with and he's still dealing with and no. But but the funny thing he's like saying, these are all great guys. They're all just really nice guys. And I'm just wondering, was he is he being deceived? You know that that's a great point.
Very well could be. And you know, speaking of poven Meyer, that guy he was a long time he was on the Apollo missions and the Space Shuttle missions. Yeah, absolutely, and they were became really good friends. And that's he They're friends with the family, and he over several years questioned all members of the family different about these experiences that they had all had, you know, a different and to try to find that was he was a debunker. He would go in and try to find holes in the story.
So yeah, there's that. That's my my opinion is that they they have time following angel technology that they're dealing with, and that's what all this is. From Roswell to NASA to to you know, when they first opened up these portals with Hitler, you know, and and all the the krill uh stuff that they were doing, you know, all the occult stuff that they were doing with Crowley and everything. So so do you sorry, sorry? Go ahead? No, you finish up? No? I mean, which
again also takes you to Antarctica. You know it leachs back there. You know what's going on with Antarctica and what's what's happening down there? Why can't we go past the sixtieth parallel? Do you have a I mean, what was your opinion? I'm curious, George. Do you think that we are in just one big dome? Or is there other domes? Is there bigger outer domes? Or we within many domes? I mean, what what?
What is? You know, there's a lot of people that believe that, you know, with bird and you know you the diaries that he came back and said there's lands beyond bigger than the United States. Well, do you do you think that there is? Or or do we end at Antarctica? Or is the ice wall d I think my belief is the ice wall? Is it? That's just my belief? You know, somebody one of my
listeners mentioned he's watching and I think it's Joe. He had mentioned that if you watch the show Lost, Yes, three twenty five is mentioned, and if you look at the what's the map that we always talk about, I'm having a brain cramp here, but and if you look at a compass, that's like just south of Australia. So he people that the people who believe that there's more land on the other side of the ice believe that they say
had lost. There's one other TV show that they mentioned like three oh five and three twenty five as the maybe it's the what's the one with the dragons? The TV show of the HBO show, right, yeah. For some reason, the three five and the three twenty five come up a lot. And if you put it against Gleason's map, there you go, Gleason's map, right yeah, versus a compass. It looks three twenty five is due south of like central Australia. Three oh five is due south from between New
Zealand and Eastern Australia. Gotcha, Yeah, Yeah, that's that? Like, is that is that a Is that a pathway? You know? Is that a is that you know? There's yeah, there's there it's it's it's it's it's interesting. I just put up the email. It's actually escape from New York. They mentioned three twenty five. Okay, where you going a
little white wall or is it the ice wall? Yeah? And but yeah, I mean I do as far as you know, like I said, we were talking about, once you figure the word is flat, everything else becomes trivial. Trivial? Do you I mean, how do you feel about our current state of affairs? You know, in the United States? Do you do you think that we're going to overcome this? Do you think this is something that is part of what we have to go through. It's something
we have to go through. We've embedded ourselves too deep into the matrix to really do anything. I mean, I mentioned on my other podcast a couple of weeks ago. When you have twenty million people who work for the government, and then you have you know, another fifty or sixty million who were on Social Security, Medicaid, military retirement. Like myself, people aren't going to rise up against the hand that feeds them. My thing is, if we're going to make a change, it's got to be based on you.
You have to have a good foundation, and you know, we country, and every country around the world for that matter, has to look at yourself and see are you really as we say under dollar bill? One nation? Under God? Well? What God? Right? Then? Ever, you never hear a politician talk about Jesus Christ. You only hear a mention God.
Well, which God are we talking about? Because how you act and how you behave and how you unmercifully bomb other countries without any justification, and how you tax tax you know, taxes to death and you give it away for your money laundering schemes, and we could go on and on and on. Really is if we're going to make a difference, we have to have
a moral compass. We have to have a strong foundation because if you're building a house, like you're supposed to build a country, you have to have This is what we're about, right, you know when we when you start a new business, you write your mission statement. What what is your business about? It's got to be more about just making some money. You want to make a change in your community. You want to give people different options.
When I went into business in Texas down there in Temple, there was only one store in the area that that sold that particular thing, and there were gallegian people and that was my wife was was a nurse. So you know, part of my mission state was giving you know, people in the medical community a choice right. And competition is important in the United States. It's what helps regulate costs and not let people get into monopolies. And what
what is our mission statement in the United States right now? What are we about? Right? Well? That I think that's that's the problem, was that nobody knows what we're about. We're about bombing other countries, uh, moving money out from taxpayers to Ukraine laundry money. I mean, yeah, is that is that our government? And how do we and how do we combat that? Obviously we're not going to be able to do it, I mean through you know, means of of of taking over the country or of
physical means. I mean, is is it? Is it about setting up parallel economies that we eventually just don't you know acknowledge you know the these uh these governmental forces. I mean, what what happens you know? I mean, I don't know if you happen to see that that that speech that was it was it Brucelli did and the seed pack Uh the recent seapac did you say that he's the president of El Salvador. Do you know his story?
No, I don't. Okay again, go check it out. It's he gave this this pack speech, but he basically turned El Salvador around in about two years and he pretty much just laid it out. He goes, you know what we did, We got rid of the n g O s that were infesting our company, are infesting our country, he says. We we pulled ourselves out of the boiling pot we were. We weren't even you know, going in we were boiling. You know, since the sixties and seventies,
it's just riddled with corruption. L Salvador and in a matter of twos he got rid of all the MS thirteen kicked him all out of the country. That was again a CIA operation, certain where they were where they were trained in the United States and they were sent down there and recruited people and created all the gangs there in l Se. So within a matter of two years, it became one of the most dangerous countries in the world to one
of the safest countries in the world. And now they're national monetary systems Bitcoin. Really can you believe that? Yeah, you got to look up the story. It's the guy's amazing. I mean, he's a young guy and he just says he can be done, you know, and he and he
just called Sorows out. He said, this is this is the guy who's who did it to us, you know, and all the people behind them, all the ng goes and the same problem we have with all the NGOs down there and gap right now, you know all that they're just they're they're facilitating all these people to invade our country, you know. And it's all Sorls funded money, you know. And again everybody gets into I know which camp did it? Is a Zionists camp? Did that? You know?
Uh? Who who is who is behind everything? I think it's a culmination of all groups. I think it's a culmination of all groups that that just this elite, this this this Synagoguaeus sayan once the rule, you know, and yeah, it's it's it's uh. I think that's the only way. But it was very refreshing because it's saying because I think what happens, George is people become you know, we they just don't know what to do.
We know, we we're they're the humiliation ritual that's put on us on a daily you know, by looking at Bier and just looking at everybody how as they are. It's it's it makes you almost it almost paralyzes people, I believe, you know, they're like, what am I going to do? You know? But it can be done, we can. They did it peacefully too, you know, without without people having to die. So there's hope. I believe, yeah, that and that is something I'll definitely check
out. His name is I have it right here, naive b u k e ly And I'll be like, well, right put, I'll put the Lincoln the in the show notes as well, and the packs each check it out. And by the way, you should mention with everything you just said, Jacob Rothchild passed today. Oh well, well hope, I'll order where a place he's in. Mister Burns from The Simpsons, Mister Burns. Yeah, it was based on Yeah, yeah, gosh, yeah, it's you know, I again, you you you don't want to say, is I
mean did that person ever know? God? You know? That's the thing is like, who did worship in a Yeah? They live in a whole different world than we do, that's for sure. They don't. It's just wait, what do you think about those things. It's really hard to swallow that people would rather, you know, choose worldly things that the span of he lived to be eighty seven eighty seven years is dropping the bucket compared to
eternity, right absolutely, That's what I don't understand. It's like you're just gonna take your rewards on this short time, this this vapor of time that you're in to spend an eternity in hell. I mean, I don't get it, and don't get it, you know, And I mean I hopefully and I you know, I've been in some pretty bad situations, you know, near death situations, and I know that the only reason I made it
was because of God. And I know that there was a reason for for me to continue living, you know, and it was to raise my son, it was to to help I'll hopefully mixed and bring other people to Jesus. And that's that's my that's my future. That's my goal, you know, is trying to bring as many people as I can to the Kingdom so I can at the end, you know, be told well done, good servant, you know, and and use use my my experiences and testimony to
help people come there. So I don't think I've asked you this yet, but have you had any success in finding a local church or do you have a Bible study with friends or what is your out live? Yeah, I've done both. I have a a local church I go to that it's pretty good. I went to a Baptist church when I first started, when I moved back to Texas, and it was just I love and that's kind of my roots. I mean, I grew up in the al their calls and
coming down and you know, that's what I remember with my grandparents. My grandparents were wonderful, godly people, and so it kind of reminds me of them. But it got a little too little, too money oriented, and I was kind of to me off, you know, And I think that's what turns a lot of people off with churches. And so I've actually joined
a couple of different Bible studies and I did. And the thing about the Bible studies, I enjoy them and it's good, but they're always very to me, very surface, you know, and that they don't dive into the spiritual aspects of the Bible. You know, we just sort of because of our you know, world that we're in, we just kind of brush them off, you know. And that's to me more interesting, you know, the principalities and what we're actually our true battle here is, you know.
And and again he's getting start talking about those things, people start looking at you funny, you know. And but but yeah, I found a good church that actually has lots of money, doesn't need money, never has for it. They're just the non denominational church on Christ Chapel shout out. Pretty pretty large church here, but but they do good they do good work. Well. I'll be in Waco in April twentieth, so if you're free that day, you should come down and I'll be at a Mexican restaurant doing a
live fact Hunder podcast. Man, I'd love that. Just please sit the day. I'd come down and meet you personally. I'd be great. I will hopefully later this week I'll make an announcement on this podcast too, if anybody wants to come down and say hello. I'll be in Oklahoma City on April nineteenth and location to be determined. And then I think it's only four hour drive from okay See to Waco straight down. I thirty five. Now saw that bad at all? Yeah, I'd love to find some some some
more local flat earthers, you know, for some people close by. I know I got the app. You know, you know you can you can pay, I just haven't done it yet, and you can find local people. But uh yeah, I mean it's like it's nice to have a group that you could go to, kind of like an alcohol it's anonymous. Maybe help allttle. My named Sean, I'm a flat arth that's right. Uh well, we even got the I ordered some magnets. I'll be bringing them uh around and next week. I'll if anybody wants them, they can.
You know, I'm going to send a few out for free. I'm not going to put them up for sale or anything. But I've even me and my wife's car, we've got the research flat earth magnets. It's just something worth the point where again, if you're going to change, you got to do things that you might not have been comfortable with doing prior. You just got to be you know the infamous mame where everybody's there's a fork in the road and everybody's going to the left and there's that one guy going to the
right. If you want to make a difference in you're you have conviction and your beliefs, then then you should stand tall in them. Yeah, absolutely, I agree, I agree. I wanted to ask you obviously you mentioned curvature was a big one. What are your other five? Your silver bullets, if you will. So curvature was one the just the the one thing, the vacuum part, because you can't really have really do anything in a vacuum. You can't fly, you can't, you can't. So that that
kind of said, well, how are they traveling through spin? How was this? So that that was one. I mean, I don't know if you ever seen videos of flies or other trying to fly in a vacuum. They can't do it right, right, That was a big one for me. The uh, the the double rainbows. Have you ever seen any of that where you see the reflected and together out of uh there're uh you dropped there? Are you still there? Structure? You know? Yeah, I'm
here. Okay, just sorry off for session and no explain that double rainbows again for the listeners. So, yeah, so that when you look at some of these double rainbows, if you look at each the rainbow, the opposing rain one on top, the colors are opposite, and so you can tell it's a reflection of that rainbow. Absolutely, I saw one just maybe
a month ago, maybe six weeks ago. Yeah, it's amazing. So that, I mean, that tells you there's some type of structure there that's that's that's keeping in our our atmosphere or you know, or what we're living in. Let's see what else. The just again digging into NASA that that was probably the biggest one, all the NASA fails, all the lies that have come out of that place. I mean, I just I have such a disdain for NASA. I mean, I I do get triggered when I
see NASA stuff now because I do. They're just liars. It's like driving them by stay like a nineteen seventies used car a lot, Yeah exactly, you know, and it's just you know, know you you least see a shirt or whatever. You you know, Like I said, when they're when they're talking and they're cringe interviews. I mean, did you see that control uh mission control that they had. It was just so awful, you know, last one, it's current half. It's so cringe to even to watch,
to listen to the interviews. Uh you know, you know again, the guys that when you look at the the the initial you know, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Alderman. You know, when they were coming down in their first interview, it looks like they're sitting at a funeral, you know, versus you know, being hey, I just walked, you know at it's like, you know, just the so that that's really what it well, I was thinking was the main things that started making me go, Okay,
this is come. We're just we've been lied to. We've been lied to. I always compare the moon landing guys to you know, you see people who win championships, whether it be Michael Jordan or the guy from the Kansas City Chiefs, they've they've just won football games in there and every commercial champagne hoppers going on. They should they should have had their own line of sneakers
looked. Yeah, the Air Armstrongs come on, you know, and and I mean, and then you know all the guys and the guy they used to go around and confront on me, the guy with the Bible, Yeah yeah that was real. Yeah yeah, so but yeah, I just you know, like I said, that's that's and and then just again the the
math, everything that they say is is a you know gravity. It's all a cover, it's all a cover to to for the globe Earth, you know, and it just none of it makes sense, all the the in the the six sixty six uh numbers that were with you know, with how fast we rotate, you know, how one around the sun. You know. Yeah. So, but i mean I'm still I'm very you know, looking into it, researching it constantly. I mean I'm every day I want to disprove it, but I can't. You can't. No, There's just
it makes so much sense. And then for me, and I'm sure like many other people we've had on and people who would listen to me, it made the Bible much clearer as well. Absolutely absolutely when you when you read the Bible and you read the four Pillars and you read the circle, and you you know, like I said that that really opens it up. I Mean there's there's one i think infographic in there. It has every single Bible
thing that refers to flat earth. It's like two hundred and something different terms or scriptures in there that refer to flat earth. Yeah. The big one for me, you know obviously when you really think about the Tower of Babel and then was it Joshua ten thirteen, which talks about the sun of the moon standing still right, Yes, that's it, That's exactly it. And and that's what what do you think the moon is? Do you think it's Do you think it's just the projection a lot? Uh? And you think
it's an actual surface? It could be a projection on the firmament. I know it's I don't feel like it's two hundred and thirty nine thousand miles away. The sun Surreundy isn't ey three million miles away. But the fact that they continue to try to lie to us about man landing on the moon to me, like I used to laugh at it when I first became a flat earther, now it really makes me angry because I understand that people are a
lot. It's just because it's constant line. Yeah exactly, so yeah it does and and and it's and and what's what's again amazing to me is that how quickly people can dismiss it. Now well, either when you present so many so much evidence, see them still just don't want to mean the normals you bias or just they can't get past it and they just know what what
I mean. You can literally watch somebody who just the the programming start going in their head like they're just starting well when you say that, or just like I said, kind of glaze over. And that takes me completely back full circle to like, you know, if we want to make change, how the changes like we got into a little bit earlier in the podcast, but to me, it's it's how do I like completely we'll save you Eve. I don't want to say destroy, but you need to completely break down
and remodel our education system. Like the young men and ween should be outside from March April and May. They should be rabbits, chickens, you know, all kinds of sitting in a chair for It boggles my mind that we sat in that classroom for thirteen years and we came out with such a little no yeah, such little knowledge. Well because they don't want that, I mean again, go go uh you know, go reach Charlotte Iszerby's uh little
dumbing Down of America like seven hundred pages. There's several other authors that have come out with do with folk as well, but it just talks about how that that's what they wanted. The rocket system, you know, the the guy that did the Dewey decimal system, that he was a communist. I mean they went over to h Russia and then and got their playbook, and they wanted that. All they wanted was workers, them helpless, you know, workers that were you know, enough to tell me, like George Carlos
Sis smart enough to move turn the machines, but not ask questions. And that's really what the end of the day, what they want. But now that they have too much, too many of us, So that's how they you know, through our diet and through our food and environment and kim trails, they're poisoning us slowly so we die earlier so they don't have to pay a social security and they want to raise our retirement age even further now,
but they're quick to our money away. You'll never get there a whim right, unbelievab By the way, I will do my best to find a PDF link to Charlotte's book. I have it. I got it a while ago in eBay. It's like, oh, it's over one hundred bucks now though, Oh is it? Oh? Yeah, if you go and I used to have yeah, I used to have a EF that I need to find. I'm sure it's out there. Yeah, I'll find it and I'll put it in the link to the show description and her family was all tied into
skull and bones. Father. Yep, it this comes at little circle, you know, it does one hundred. It's been a great conversation where where we're nearing our our ninety minute marks. I wanted to give you a chance. If there's nothing that you had a chance to mention yet, please do so at this time. Well, I think I covered most everything I wanted to, you know, I think that you know closing, I mean, I think we are not at the end of the day. I'm not sure
we're here but change the world. We're here to go through the world and help as many people as we can. That's that's what I feel. As like I said, our ultimate goal, you know, and you know I it's it's it's very easy these days, I think to be cynical, you know. I mean, I I hope that and kind of what you were talking about. As far as you know, again, educating our children. I I can't send my kid to a private school at this point, although I do to my own education. You know, I think we have to
be able to supplement. If you can't send your kids, can't homeschool and can't come to a private you know, even private schools that I know about these days. But make sure that you're supplementing their education, you know. And and I started opening up that conversation U with with Jake about you know, the shape of the earth and you know, what do you think about this, and sort of asking him questions, you know, helping. I
think we just need to have more critical thinkers, you know. I think with this tik talk the world that we live in and this, this, this, you know, our attention span has gone like lower than a goldfish. Now, these kids, I just I my heart goes out to them. I'm just I'm seeing them going down these bad paths, you know. I mean, I have a thirteen year old niece next door, and you know, and I see her, you know, miaming songs on talk, dancing with her. I'm like, what is that? What is that?
What are you doing there? I mean, you know, I just that's kids eager to get out of the house anymore. When I was fifteen, George again gen x man, I couldn't wait to get a car. I couldn't wait to get outside and go cruising around. And they grew up in the sack and drink some and you know, go skateboard. I mean that was what I just don't understand this, this the screen time that these these portals that we put these children, and then we wonder why they're entitled.
We wonder why that they don't want to ever go outside and do anything, you know, take them away from that. I just started doing metal acting with my son, that's all I mean. I think that's that's a cool, uh cool thing we could do outside. We found some cool stuff. So I mean, I'm big into history. You know, I've done I'm
big genealogists as you know, scrugs. I've you know, got I traced our name all the way back to uh in Norway, King Trigg, all the way way over to England. We came over in the sixteen hundreds, all the way through to the South to Mississippi into Texas in eighteen forty five. So it's I mean, you know your history. I think that's the thing that people don't are getting far away from is they don't even know where
they came from. Yeah, that's funny you said that. We we've had a metal detector for a few years and when we first moved to this property. We found a cool but obviously Delaware is a very old you know. Oh yeah, goes way back to the seventeen hundreds. So we found a cool few, a cool few things. And it's something me and my daughter do every now and then we go down there's a beach, Bowers Beach, which is thirty minutes east of us. We'll go down there and find some
stuff and she'll get some seashells. It's so important, and you're right, we have enough distractions and that's what it's all about with the controllers, to hide God and to keep us so busy. If they raise the cost of living, that means we have to work more hours, which gives us less time with our children and less time with God's that's what they want. Yep, that's they want. A thousand percent. It's been a great, great interview, and I'll give you the final word to the audience. So I
appreciate it. Yeah, just go in peace, prosper and be fruitful. Yes, make babies there you go. Don't believe the carbon We're not overpopulating. No, yeah, yeah, what's oh that was my one question. I said, I'm sorry, Do we have time? Yeah? I just wanted to ask you one more thing. Uh huh is Elon Muskin on the you know? Oh Elon Muskin, Oh, one hundred percent. Don't forget just seven years ago, conservatives love that guy. What you want to put
it chip in my brain? Are you kidding me? And then he said I'm taking over Twitter, I'm bringing free speech, and all of a sudden he was championed by the Yeah, and he guaranteed everybody their their accounts back. I never got mine back. I emailed the company several times and I had like over ten thousand followers or whatever, you you know what. And it's just again, if you if you speak the truth, you're going to get plucked out of the sky, right right. Yeah, I just you
know, like I said, everybody thinks he's the hero. Now I know, I'm just like, but look what he's behind space Didn't one questions that space brain ships? Ai. I mean, it's like everything Satan, I mean inorporated unbelieve you unbelievable. Well again, thank thank you for your timing you yeah, absolutely sharing your thoughts and to the listeners, thank you so
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