The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It is time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds you well as we record on this Friday, February the twenty third, twenty twenty four. We have a great guest standing by before we bring Arvan on. Just a couple of quick reminders, do please stop by the website, the flat earthfiles dot com. Much to do.
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now. So without any further ado, let us bring our guest on from across the pond, as they say from the United Kingdom, it's Arvin. Arvin. How are you doing today, sir? Doing very well? George, how are you doing good? Thank you so much for your time and thanks for joining us today. Please do take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience. Okay, right, I am Alvin. I am a not a conspiracy theorist. I don't really like that term too much. I'd like
to say truth seeker. And luckily for me, I've had a lot of fortune in my life. A lot of people have opened my eyes to a lot of different things, and I'd say I'm one of the lucky ones to be honest, and yeah, yeah, that's pretty much about it. That's interesting you mentioned that, of course, conspiracy theorists is the term the FBI here in the United States came up with to label people who questioned the killing of John F. Kennedy. And of course that is stuck with anyone who
questions the official narrative to this day. But something I have seen, they are starting to change the narrative. They actually are starting to use the term conspiracy theorists less, and they are actually attacking truthers using that word truther because they know that we have adapted and gotten away from that. My very first podcast was called Conspiracy Theories Investigated. I understood the stigma with it. People pointed it out to me, and we changed it to the Fact Hunter.
But they as we evolve, the enemy air quotes as we say, evolves as well. So even they are saying truthers, which is funny when enormy hears that they're going after truthers. Why would you belittle somebody who is trying to seek the truth? Oh for sure exactly. And they don't really stop with it. It's just, you know, like you said, we adapt and they adapt as well. I suppose we've got to come up with a new name. But you know, I guess I'll just get into sort of
some of the earlier things in my life. Sure, when I was roughly around the age of six, my teacher obviously taught us about the moon landing, like many people were taught, but she also mentioned on a field trip to a small group of us, she turned to us and said, you know, some people actually don't think we went to the moon, which for me was really interesting because I was thinking, you know why, and she just listed off a bunch of proofs like that way that made like way more
sense than a Timfoil shuttle going off into space. So for me, that was kind of like the start of the awakening. Obviously, I didn't know how deep the rabbit hole went because I was about six or seven at the time, but I remember coming home from school speaking with my dad and him saying, yeah, we didn't go to the moon, And then since then
I've never I never thought we went to the moon. I don't know how people can believe it, but I suppose people are like fans of space, and when you like something, you're gonna want to believe in it, you know, yeah for sure. And they because they understand how psychology works and mind control works, that they send positive thing to us to help us become fanboys. Right, So you basically went Science fiction really picked up in the
fifties post World War Two. Science fiction comics and cartoons were very very popular in the fifties and then and you know, JFK and I think it was April of sixty one made the infamous We're going to go to the Moon. By the end of the decade speech, and people became just infatuated with it. And then in the seventies, Star Wars and all the big space movies
became a thing. So again, when you take away their ball, not only are you taking away something that's been ingrained in their minds since they were a toddler, you're also which to me is kind of weird because at the end of the day, it is just a movie. Yeah, yeah, right, But but I think more than just being a fan of it, I think it is just this subtle, you know, really subtle reinforcement that
there is a such thing of as outer space. Yeah, definitely, definitely, But that that didn't take me away from space, you know, not believing in them boon landing. You know, I did come up with sort of, as you would say, rational explanations. Okay, they wanted to win the space for the space race at the time, so to me it made sense why they would fake it, And it didn't seem like as malicious
as it really is. You know. Indeed, indeed, and listen to be from my perspective, I think the whole moon landing had so many facet to its it. It was obviously a big one from you know, a Satanic or Freemason point of view, it was to deceive, because that is what they do. But they're also it is a huge black money operation for them. Just what a windfall of funds that NASA gets. Oh, it's
unbelievable. I mean, I'm not taxed by the by the American government, but I'm Annoyed's just just at the fact that how the billions they get a year to essentially make CGI movies And I'm not too sure. Did you see it on the news today they the first independent company to land on the Moon. That was hard to watch. It was almost as it really was. Do you remember the one in India where their premiere was waving the flag and
everybody that was really I'm getting angry just thinking about it. But yesterday they were told their little Mission Control we can confirm they landed on the Moon. There was like no video and they just went no video. Yeah, they just went crazy high five in each other. It was so cringe. Yeah, it doesn't take a lot for my dad to get angry. We watched that both today on the news, and yeah, he was. He was pulling out the little hair he has on his head, so it was it
was, yeah, it was. It was horrific. But I should probably get into how I got closer to flat earth. So when I was when I left school, I kind of knew something was up because they they didn't teach me the law. And I never understood why they didn't teach the law at school. You think, you know, that'd be like the first thing you teach for to children, but they didn't. They didn't teach the law. So I was very very confused by that. And then I saw the
quote by John D. Rockefeller he wants workers, not thinkers. So that kind of made me like, okay, so it's just a sort of make this capitalist society keep going. And you know, you do need bin men and people like that, I suppose, and you know, garbage men or whatever you want to call them. But when I left I had a very atheistic mindset. I had, like all my friends who were really into religion, I would just love to debate them because I'm always somebody who wants answers.
I want to know the truth. I want to get as close to the truth as possible. And luckily his school gave me a lot of ammunition to fight against God. And one of them was, you know, why are we just on a spinning ball in the middle of nowhere? It doesn't make sense right. And all these other things as well, like life and other planets, dinosaurs, evolution, They were all like ammunition that I used against God to sort of like push the idea that you know, there is
no God. And it wasn't until I left and I went to university. I was living with my good housemate. I'll give him a shout out because he's an absolute legend. He was telling me about chemtrails and I would sort of just laugh at him, like this guy's been smoking too much. Don't know what he's doing, you know. And then it got to the point where I was I had so much anxiety built up. I was looking for just any escape, and he said, you should try this meditation. So
I was like, okay, I'll try. I tried to do this meditation. I tried it, and have you heard of a guy called Wim Hoff William Huff wim Hoff. Wim Hoff doesn't ring a bell. Definitely worth checking out. So he's like a Dutch motivational speaker. Yeah yeah, yeah, but he's got a bunch of like human endurance Inness World records. He can like raise his body temperature, submerged and ice. There's some pretty cool,
pretty cool stuff. But I looked into him and he teaches a free breathing method, which is like all there is is thirty deep breaths followed by a breath hold, and it sounded really it sounded really appealing to me at the time because obviously it's free. Anybody can do it. You can breathe anywhere anytime. They can't charge you for a Luckily, so I did that for the first time and it was the only thing that gave me peace and clarity. And not only that, but when I did it, I did it
in like a dark room with my eyes closed. I started seeing all these cimatic patterns and it just confirmed to me that there is a god and it just completely changed my lens of seeing the world and the world around me. So yeah, definitely worth checking out whim Off. That's interesting. I was just reading his quick bio. Every now and then I'll follow a YouTube channel called Yes Theory, and apparently they made a short film about this guy.
Again, I'm not it looks like he's, like, like you said, into physical endurance type of things, going ice water and things of that nature. Yeah. Yeah, the field means, you know whatever action Chuck Norris,
Yeah, yeah, no, he's He's pretty incredible. And it was the s Theory video documentary I watched that inspired me to actually do it, because he was talking about not having anxiety, and I'd go online and search up like cures for anxiety, and all I could see is just bullshit pharmaceutical products that are just going to make me a numb zombie with no emotions. And I started to realize, you know, why aren't they teaching this in
school as well? You know? So I started going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole and started to look into the Masons and the fact that we're only really taught about the Masons in school. Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, even Dmitri Mendelev who was like he made the periodic table. He turns out he was a Mason as well, And I was like, why are we only being taught about this one cult who have to swear that they, you
know, can't reveal their secrets. It didn't make sense to me. I'm like, why are we not being taught about like the greats like Michaelson and Morley Nicola, Tesla, you know, all these guys. Why are they
leaving them out? And then after a while I slowly started to It's like a bunch of puzzle pieces all scattered, and I was like putting them together slowly, But I still wasn't like ready to let go of the ball, because of course that one's that one's tough, that's that one's really I feel like I've got a lot of friends who are just they're almost there, but they're not there yet. They're just they can't let go of that ball.
It's like their little Santa Claus, you know. But I came across a flatter video and I was I was completely against the whole theory up until this point, and I didn't actually know it was a flatter video. It was just labeled as misinformation. So I clicked. I was like, oh, this must be some truth because they center everything else. I clicked on it and it was flat earth, So really really started to get interested in that
went down the whole rabbit hole. Started listening to debates and like like David Weiss, and one thing I did notice is that one he was making way more sense than who he was arguing against. And two the people he would argue against were really really rude to him, like they would just make fun of him, and they weren't really making any good points that can be like testable, repeatable points. All their points were just insulting him, and that
really annoyed me. And then eventually I just started listening to podcasts that was solely based on flat Earth. And I came across a podcast you might you might have heard of it. It's called the Flat Files. I came across your podcast, and yeah, it was. It was, it was. It was eye opening, and I'll never forget it when I fully woke up and accepted we don't live on a ball. I was, I was on the coach, I was going back to university, and I was listening to
your podcast about the history of the flat Earth. Huh, and everything you said just just made so much up until and I was at a point where you know, I knew about the masons, I knew that the world was controlled. I knew that, you know, I knew about Behemium Grove at that point, all these and the music industry as well. How satanic that
is, yeah, and how they're trying to destroy the world. And it clicked was I was literally surrounded by forty random people on a coach and I just made like the most in the same discovery of my life that we don't live on a ball and it was pretty crazy. I almost had to like restrain myself from showing like the world is flat. Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to get put on a straight jacket on the coach. Yeah,
but yeah, you're right, it is overwhelming. But I do want to thank you, George, because without you, I don't know if I would have actually fully woken up. I appreciate that brother very much. And and you know, it's a domino effect. I was the same way when I first woke up. I was watching David Weis's videos one after another, and something that really made me mad, something that you were just talking about.
You know, these people would invite David Weiss onto their podcast or onto their YouTube channel as a guest, right, and they would treat him like crap. I'm like this, You invited this guy on your podcast. It's one thing to disagree with him, but there was some people that treated him so nasty and it just infuriates you. And the way he handles it, by the way, he's a true champ. Oh for sure. I think he's
one of the best in the business. I just like absolutely not letting it get to him and just sticking to his gun, sticking to his points, because it really I feel like what the other side of doing when they're trying to make fun of him. It's almost putting people off supporting them. It put me off supporting them anyway. Before I forget, before we get too much further along, you had mentioned that you were watching that with your father
yesterday. Is your father on board with flat Earth or does he believe that space is fake? Or where is he at with that? You'll never You'll never believe this. But he's been telling me the Earth is flat since about
twenty eighteen. I've just been really I've just been thinking he's crazy. Honest to god, he's been mentioning it so many times, and he thought we make a joke about it now and we're trying to get my brother, my little brother on board with it, and we're slowly just like chipping away at him as the days go by. But yeah, he's been saying the earth
is flat. He's been following Eric Debay for years and obviously back in the day it was a lot easier before they centered everything to find this information. Sure so, and he had a friend who told him, you know, they asked flat look into it. And funnily enough, my dad was actually approached by the Masons in the early two thousands. He's got a buddy who's part of their part of a lodge, and he declined. But that's how
that's how he knows about a lot of it as well. Interesting. Interesting, is your government heavy handed on the education side as our government is? Do they pretty much, you know, decide what curriculum is taught in the schools over in the UK? Oh, yeah, definitely. And not only that, but I stupidly took sociology for my A levels, which is like further education just before you go to university. And during that time it was
it was really weird because they would really push feminism down everyone's throats. Yeah, and I was making I was trying to make points about like how mena more oppressed in today's society, and they would just not have it, they would not take it. They would give me an f and fail me every time. And I tried to stick to my guns, but I ended up not doing too well on that subject. So yeah, it's interesting when you
look at the Bible and you look at how society is run today. There are so many conflicts, and the Bible is very upfront about I think it's Joshua ten thirteen maybe that says that, you know, if you follow Jesus Chrace, you're going to be persecuted. And we see it time and time again. There was a report that came out yesterday here in the United States, I think in the state of Indiana, which we've reported on yesterday, that this couple had their child taken away this you know, thirteen fourteen,
fifteen year old child because they did not address him by his pronouns. So it was they had a son and he wanted to be addressed as like Karen and you know, by her pronoun his pronouns, and the school called the state. The state actually took the child out of the house because the parents refuse. It's just we're really at that nineteen eighty four meets Big Brother meets you name it. When you say things like this, you just start to
shudder and think, my goodness, what's really going on? And that's why I'm so passionate ever since I've started podcasting, That's how passionated him. This all stems from education. These children get brainwashed in school all one. And it definitely wasn't as bad when I was growing up. But I've got a younger brother who's still in school, and some of the things he comes home and tells me about it is just sickening. Really, it's just complete brainwashing.
I mean, we were all brainwashed to some degree, but I feel like now they're really overstepping their boundaries and seeing what they can get away with because a lot of our parents are brainwashed as well, so they just accept it, you know. Yeah, And you know it's funny. Winston Churchill, he's the guy who said history will be kind to me for I intend to write it. So he openly, you know, as they say, the spoils go to the victor, and those who win in these wards they
write history, and that is proved his story. Yeah, his story, It's proof right there that what you're reading is nonsense and people and here's the thing, there's evidence to show the other side of the story. It's all out there. And that's one of the things that have taken away as critical thinking. They don't have debates. It's just this is the story, that's it. We're going to test you on it, and if you don't get
it right, we're going to fail you. So it's basically and then you're gonna not get a good grade and not get a good job, and you'll be homeless. So they really mind fuck you, you know, they do, so in doing that what allows critical thinking? That is just we're going to tell you something. You're going to believe it, and if you don't, you're going to fail. It is just not a way to teach people.
And the sad thing is, like you said, we spend thirteen years in school and they don't teach us the important things that we should know.
Yeah. Yeah. The law that one really bothers me because we have a bit of a crisis over here in the UK, and I'm not too sure how bad it is in the States, but the police, the law enforces don't know the law, which is really really scary because you've got people being arrested, body can footage being deleted, and there's so many injustices going around, and of course they wear the nice little checkerboard hats and you know,
they've got the checkerboards all over them, and the imagery is just it's all out there, but people don't know what to look for, so it just goes over everyone's heads, you know. Yeah, And that's a great point you make that we don't talk about enough. I don't know if you've ever heard of the YouTube channel High Impact Flicks. I think the guy's name is
Brian. Many of the videos he highlights is of these people. They'll get pulled over and by people who know the law up and down, and they'll question the police, and then the coup will just be dumbfounded that these people actually know their rights. It's very important to know your rights. I mean, that is such a great point. Yeah, they almost seem annoyed when when you start actually like knowing the law, and it just it makes me
fine. I think a lot of these police officers as well, the reason why they go into that sort of line of work, not all of them. There's a lot of good cops. Absolutely. Yeah, we have a lot of great listeners that a lot of them were bullied at school, and you know, they just want to take it out on us. I don't know why. Yeah, And look, there's there's bad apples in every walk of life. Nurses, doctors, military, you know, there's always going
to be bad apples. But unfortunately, in that line of work it can cost you your your freedom. So if we're going to vet that, they needed to be vetted at the highest level. But even worse, most of the judges and politicians are even more corrupted. So it's really hard to overcome things like that. It's just very frustrating, which ties back to the Freemasons, right, yeah, yeah, exactly. It was. It was amazing
over Christmas. I saw it on my family, and you know, my view is not too popular at the at the dinner table, I'm usually told to be quiet by my mom and that sort of thing. So it was it was Actually it was refreshing to go there this time around and actually have a lot of good points to make because I feel like when you start talking
about this stuff, you do have to know a fair bit. You can't just make claims and have no evidence, and which is not what I was doing before, but now just got way more to back it up, and I know how to tackle people, and you know, I get people to the point where they say they don't care if it's flat around Basically, you know, you ever get those people who you know, you give them all the evidence and they just they hit you with, oh, I don't care.
That is basically their way of submitting without giving you Yeah, yeah, exactly, right, Oh whatever, it doesn't matter. That's the way of tapping out without saying I tap out. What's interesting to me is I've found this out over the years when I have these discussions with people. We know more about the globe theory than they do, and these people people, and that's something I'll point out to him. You can't tell me how far away the sun is. You can't tell me how far away the moon is,
yet you're defending it blindly. What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, exactly. That That really bothers me because I'll say to people how far is the sun? Oh? Just google it? And it's like, well, you're putting all your faith into Google. What if the guy who runs Google doesn't have good intentions? You know, then you're then you're fucked and I always say to people as well, you know, ninety three million miles away, why if it's ninety three million miles away, why at twelve pm is
it so bright you can't even look at it? But at seven pm the same sun can see the whole thing. But it's still ninety three million miles away. But now you can look at it. Now it's got this nice orange glow around it, and it's you know, it's getting DeMar you take take a camera and zoom in on it. You can see it's getting smaller, and it's like, how did I miss that? Even I didn't didn't
see that for many years. But it's the indoctrination, like you say, and you get answers like, oh, it's the atmosphere, it's the tilt, yeah, yeah, yeah. They can't explain how it works, but they'll use words like yeah, it's the atmosphere. I had that literally about two weeks ago. I was at a birthday dinner and of course I have to mention the flat earth, and of course everybody on the table starts to groan and moan, and I just love it. I love making people uncomfortable
with this topic. And I feel like the only way people are going to wake up is if we speak about it. Otherwise you know, no one's going to know. And I will tell you. I think since twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, there has been a huge shift in the view of flat earthers. I don't think even just within the last year or two that stigma is still there, which is we always say we shift, they shift. You know, Think what has happened just over the last twenty four hours,
Arvin. We've had another moon landing, We've had solar flares, so their fight against us is constant. And then you know, you will get a thousand emails what about the solar flares? You know that just landed on the Moon. So it is constant struggle against and many of these peoples we struggle to get the information to are quote unquote truthers, right, they understand nine to eleven and everything else, but they so many people will still stop short
at the flat earth line. Yeah, I find the most frustrating thing about it. I've got it with my younger brother now. He's very awake to a lot of it, pretty much all of it apart from flat off. And I said to him the other day, I said, so you think they're lying about everything apart from this, And he said yes, and I just started laughing, because what else can you do at that point? Brother?
You know, that's just like having a spouse that cheats on you and cheats on you and cheats on you, and that she doesn't come home last night and she's like, but seriously, I didn't cheat on you, and then you right, exactly exactly. It's like, you know, be critical have you know? I think one major part of why people can't let go of it is because if this is a lie, then it's all a lie. You know, the pharmaceutical companies, you know, Covid, everything that
the food we you know, everything is a lie. We here in the States, I am seeing another shift. I'm glad you brought that up. Even some of the normous normans are starting to understand how deep the clause of the you know, the medical industrial complex have into this world. We have a guy over here who's like, he has a sports account and a TV show and he's the most jovial, laughable guy. Even he's like, what is going on with the medical and these commercials where you know, it can
fix my skin, but I can have a stroke. And you know, people are starting to finally understand what's going on in this world. So it is once again it's kind of refreshing to see that even the normies are starting to catch on. But you know, they're slowly, slowly getting there. And I mean, like I said, if it wasn't for like very fortunate events, my dad being a truth you know, my teacher when I was very young saying that we didn't go to the moon, all of these things
have shaped me into the person I am. I've been very fortunate to have these truths, and a lot of people just go about their lives and their parents aren't truths, and they're not looking into this, and they're also brainwashed, so you do have to give them a bit of sympathy. I never I never get angry. One time I did get angry, though, is when I was actually arguing against flat earth with my dad. That's the only time I would get angry. But when I'm angry when I'm arguing for the
truth, you can't get angry when you know it's the truth. You know, your dad must have been thrilled when you finally said, hey Dad, I'm a flat earther. You would definitely be listening to this. You'll definitely be listening to this when it comes out. That's awesome. But you know
what, you've validated a couple of things in your message just then. You know, when your teacher message or said, you know, gave reasons why we didn't go to the moon, and your father maybe that those particular moments didn't change you at that point to being a flat earther, but they were
seeds that were planted inside you. And that's why I tell people it's important to bring it up, even if you don't, whether it's your spouse or your friend, Even though they may not believe it that day, when they come across it again, they're going to remember that conversation and it may be just enough to push them into doing a little research for sure. For sure, I kind of went the opposite route when I first found out that is flat. So obviously I was on the coach. I was listening to your
podcast. I realized it's flat. I couldn't believe it, you know. I started looking outside the way, no, looking at the sun, looking at all of it and thinking, yeah, this is how they've done it, you know, And this is how they've done it through the years because I couldn't work it out before. But then I listened to the history of the flat Earth, and it made so much sense, and with everything I already knew, it was like the final piece of the jigsaw puzzle. But
I went back to university on the coach. First thing I did called up my best mate. I said, we're going down to the bar. We're having a beer and I want to I want to talk to you. And I just laid it on so thick every single day, and eventually he caved in. Right now, he said, he said he's on the fence, but if he was to put his life on the line, he'd say it was flat. So I'd take that as a win. For me. That's a win. That's a huge win. And once you get there, there's
no going back. Nothing can convince me, can convince me. We live on a ball now. It's just it's it's frustrating, but it's also it's it's amazing to know the truth and to be one of the very few people who does know. And I feel like, you know, I could be selfish and keep it to myself, but and like you said, I think you said on a previous podcast. If you want to lose all respect from everyone around you, just say that you're a flat Arthur. Yeah, I
love it when people say I'm doing it. Yeah, it's trust me. I don't get many texts anymore from many of my friends. And it goes back to the same thing they play, the why is it important? Card? The who cares? But at the same time, these are the same people that and again I'm not everybody needs to have their their release, et cetera. But these are the same people that will inundate themselves with sports and music and other nonsensical things, that will at the same time say how meaningless
this is. So it's almost I don't know, is it. I don't want to be disrespectful. But are they too lazy to look into it? Are they afraid of being labeled flat earther? Or you know? Is it? Obviously a lifetime of programming is what we're up against. Oh, for sure. The indoctrination's so deep, like you said, And another thing as well, ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is bliss. You know. I think there was a point where I knew it was flat, but I didn't fully
accept it. I didn't like subconsciously, I just couldn't accept it because you know, like I said, if this is a lie, then it's all a lie. And obviously I feel a lot better knowing that now, because I, like you said, today with the shuttle landing on the Moon, and you know, we can just see straight through it, but there's people who don't see through it, and they just believe it without any proof.
It's amazing. Yeah. I was just having a conversation with someone via email the last day or two and I had mentioned I just don't undertand I don't understand, excuse me how people can not see this stuff, and he replied they choose not to see it, which I was like, yeah, you're probably right for sure. For sure, they don't want they don't want it to not be true, because like I said, you know, any movie
you watched, you mentioned this so many times. Any movie you watched today, there'll be a globe yep, and a lot of the big ones, like the Marvel movies. They're all about space. People like the idea of other planets and other galaxies and oh maybe there's life, And they're pushing this alien stuff pretty hard. Now. I'm seeing a lot of like UFO videos and I've actually captured pictures of it, like them testing their bluebeam whatever you want to call it. Yeah, over by the by the South coast.
Yeah, it's definitely going to be interesting to see what they have in store for us this year. Yeah. Yeah, I'm slightly nervous, but you know, I've told a lot of people, you know, if the aliens come, just know it's it's not real. Just remember it's not real. And remember my voice when you see the aliens come down. You know that's right? Did did? I was looking at your your silver bullets and one of them was the Masonic history of Flat Earth? Is that something you want
to talk about a little bit? Yeah, definitely, definitely for me. The I went through all the people who have proposed that we live on a globe, starting with like Pythagoras or NASA on the website claims that Pythagoras was the first person to actually propose we went on a globe. And if you type in Pythagoras Freemason into Google, punched that in and you'll see a nice
little Masonic website giving him praise and talking about his Masonic origins. And then of course it was Copernicus next, who was, you know, the guy who actually came up with the heliocentric model that we teach today. I'm not sure how far away he said the sun was, because I know they had changed that over the year. I think it was a million, then ninety three million. I mean, they just keep changing it to you know,
the maths for the maths to work. So you know, I looked into him, and there's a there's a there's a lodge named after him, Copernicus. I believe it's in New York Laurel Park, Lodge number forty five. So you know, he's tied to the Masons. And all you got to do, I say to people, read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. You know, it's like the Free Mason Bible goes to page three two one, and you know, if they believe in God and they fear God,
they will see that these guys do not fear God. They worship Lucifer. So I always try and make that clear to people. You know, you're not taking you're not taking a scientist's side, you're taking the devil's side, essentially. I always try and make that really clear. And of course after that you've got Isaac Newton theory of gravity. I know you're on the other side of the globe there, George, So just try to be careful, try not to fall off. Okay, okay, good thing, you've got
that gravity keeping you there. Thank you good. I know, right. But Isaac Newton again, you know, he was a leader of the Royal Society, which is still around today. They still make videos with people like Brian Cox doing speaks on Benjamin Franklin, another Freemason. So they love just talking about their gang. And I call them a gang because I feel like that's what they are. They're a gang. They're a gang of Satan worshipers.
That's the best way I can put it, really well said. By the way, if you go to Universal Freemasonry dot org, it has stated that the records of the Fraternity informansts that Pythagoras was regularly initiated into masonry, and being properly instructed into the mysteries of the art, he was much improved and propagated the principles of the order and other countries into which he afterwards traveled.
So again here you go, the guy who was, you know, purportedly the founder of the globe, theory of freemason a deceiver, So argue all you want. I mean, the proof is in the pudding. And by the way, Copernicus, there's there's several lodges named after him. There's one in Toronto, Yeah, one in Toronto, the one in New York City that you had mentioned, and I think there was there was one somewhere
else. I can't remember it off the top of my head. Yeah, I know, Isaac Newton has the Cambridge Lodge, And obviously Cambridge is a very like, oh yeah school, highly established school and highly respected in the mainstream. And you know they've just named that lodge after him. And then I'm not too sure about Einstein. I looked into him, but he did say, funnily enough, they asked him, what's it like to be the smartest man alive? And he said, you'll have to ask Nicola Tesla.
So you know, for me, that just that says it all. And when you research Tesla's some of his quotes, I can't find any videos of him speaking, but a lot of his quotes say that we live in a realm, and he was really opposed to like the theory of gravity and all these other theories. They love to call them theories as well, that's the funny part about it. Theory of evolution, big bang theory. And you know, if I ever see the word theory, I just I lose my
mind, you know. Yes, but yeah, they're they're pretty they're pretty good at making these things like these theories believable. At school, they were still calling it a theory. I think nowadays they kind of try and pass it off as as truth. But when I was at school, they did call it the theory of evolution, and I completely agreed with it because everything we had a whole exam on it. So I had to memorize all these
lies to then write about these lies. And then, like you said, if I didn't write about these lies and remember them, then I would fail. You know who wants to fail? Of course. Yeah, so they're going to beat into submission and answer correctly, and that's that. That is something that again I didn't even bother thinking about until I got into the truth community. And then it didn't take me very long to get down the education rabbit or to understand how the system is set up to get us to buy
into this matrix that we live in today. Yeah, yeah, it really is a matrix. And I just I find it really really just amazing that there are people like you, because a year ago I was telling my friend to listen to you, to your podcast, and I was saying, they're going to take him down soon. But they seem to just keep you guys up, people like David Wisse, Eric Debay. I know they heavily suppress you guys, but you're still there, which is really really promising. Yeah,
on the podcast side, the YouTube I haven't posted on YouTube. I know that can be hit and miss on the video side, but they haven't touched really, they haven't touched podcasters quite yet, and hopefully it remains that way. By the way, going back to your gravity theory, even here the National Senate, I'm sorry, the National Center for Science Education, on their website, it says that the theory of gravity is it's a theory. Yeah, they go. They can't test it, they can't measure it.
I know Brian Cox made a video, and funnily enough, I did a bit of research from Brian Cox because my friend was sending me videos of him doing all these gravity experiments and I was really interested to see what kind of dot I could find in him, and I typed his name in, followed by Freemason, and a tweet came up from twenty sixteen where someone else asked
him. David Cox said, how comp I didn't see any curvature on your show, and he responded saying, because the Earth is flat and I'm paid one million dollars by NASA to say it's spherical, which only got about forty six retweets at the time. I mean, he's got like hundreds of thousands followers. Now, what a time to do it. I know, they have to tell the truth. So you picked a great time to actually say that, you know, Yeah, that was the right time to disclose.
For sure. It's interesting. Even the Encyclopedia Britannica right now has the Newtonian theory of gravity is all based on assumptions, which it is, and that is something once again you're teaching. It was the same way for me back in the day. That was gravity was it. That's what we were taught. That's why we didn't float off into outer space. That's what we were always taught. If the world stopped spinning, we would float off into outer
space. That's what we were taught. Monday through Friday and then Sunday we would go to church and we were taught that God stop the sun than the moon, and it's just yeah, that's the world we live in, and these are the thing. Once again, I didn't pick that up as a child. You just don't. It's because we are so focused on everything else. We have so many distractions, especially now with the cell phones, the video games. It's it's at it. My little brother's glued to his to
his console every single day. It's it's so hard to get into to actually have a sensible conversation with him. I feel like they're slowly, somehow dumbing down each generation to just be like workers, just like Rockefeller intended. And you know, they're very good at it. We've given credit what credit is
to you. They are very good at being evil. Yeah. We we as a society as this, you know, as a generation, have to do a better job into, you know, stressing the importance of things outside of the entertainment realm, which we so easily throw our free, free time into. By the way, I mean, you're obviously still a yet, are you in your early twenties. I'm twenty four, just turned twenty four. Yeah, and you For somebody who's twenty four, you've got a lot
of wisdom and you've been obviously doing a lot of research. Congrats on that. You're too kind. You're too kind, George, Go ahead, go ahead. I just wanted to touch on what was my second point that I sent over to No aviation accounts for the curve. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, So my good friend, who, like I said, I managed
to get him on the fence about flowers. He flies planes, so a lot of the stuff I was saying to him, he had a really good reference because he doesn't fly commercially, but he has flown planes before, and I was saying, you know, did you see any curve? Do you have to account for any curve? And he knows there is no curve, you know, And I think that really woke him up, because I don't think he ever really thought about it, like, oh, there should be
a curve or I should be accountant for a curve. I know he has an ultimate, but that doesn't that just keeps you at like a certain attitude. You'll know if the nose is dipping down or going up. So for him, he woke up pretty quickly, just based on the fact that he was not accounting for any curvature whilst flying. And then the big one which people talk about that you mentioned is your third one about the pictures of the
globe. Yes, yes, yes, So when it comes to the pictures, and you know, tell someone anyone listening right now who wants to try and wake somebody up, I'd say, you know, tell them to pick their favorite picture of the globe and prove it's real. And it's it's very difficult to prove which one is real because they all look different. They all have different shades of color, they all have different continents, different sizes. You know, Africa looks bigger in this one. And I think the famous
one that it's it's the marble, right marble. I think it's called that's right, the one on the Apple phone. Yes, yes, I mean didn't the guy who actually the artist who made that. He basically said, NASA gave him the flat map and then he just kind of wrapped it around the ball and added some clouds. And it's so it's actually hilarious when you when you listen to them talking about it, it's so funny. And the only one they've got that's legitimate that they claim to be real is the one
from the moon landing. So it all goes back to I know you had bart sa Brell on here. My dad's a big fan of him, and we've got his book, moon Man, So I highly recommend that book to anyone who wants to look into the moon landing a bit more for sure. Yeah he I mean, you said bart sebrel Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean just the videos of him twenty years ago. Maybe it wasn't that long ago, but the one that was insane was where he was with one
of the astronauts and he left. He remember he was rushed out of there, but the microphone was still on him. He's like, Dad, you want me to call the CIA and take him out. It's like what they're just so blatant with it as well, they're just it's it's it makes me laugh how it goes over people's heads. And you've even got I think it was Neil Armstrong. Recently a little girl asked him about the moon landing and why we haven't gone back, and he said, oh, well, it's
because it never happened. And I think he's just sick of lying about it at this point. I mean, I would be. Yeah, that was buzz Aldron, Yeah, buzz Aldrin, Yes, yeah, that's it. But yeah, what do you think about the fact that these astronauts are coming out and speaking about it and no one seems to really be giving it much attention. I think for the same reason we're seeing everything else in the world right now, because nobody really cares, and it's it's mockery now they know
no matter what, nobody's going to do anything about it. That's where we are at this point in the world. So now it's just full full blown mockery. By the way, I do want to thank one of our listeners I think it's pronounced Adele, who had reached out and mentioned one of our episodes. They'd mentioned Josh Powers as the author of the Blue Marble. It was what is his name? Robert Simon is actually the designer who made the infamous blue marble. He created that image for, of course, what would
become the home photo for the iPhone. Yeah, and of course, you know Apple, all these big tech companies are all part of it. And sure, I think people don't like to hear that because you know, everybody's got an iPhone, everybody's got you know, a smartphone or even I'm using like my my MacBook right now from Apple. You know, we're using the tools of the oppressor, but at the same time, we're using them for good. You know, this podcast, for example, is one of the
best things we can do is talk about subjects. And I know for a fact that one of the best ways any listener can try and wake people up is to do exactly what I'm doing now, which is coming on to this podcast talking with you, George. And the only reason why I say that is because anytime I would say to people, you should listen to this podcast, oh, what's it called the Flatter Files, immediately just they're never going to listen. But if they know that their friend or their family member or
a loved one is going on, they're going to listen. I know all my friends are going to listen. So it's it's a really good way of like getting them into the circle. And that's that's exactly why I'm on today. You know, I'm going to be sending this to everybody, and I know for sure it will you know, interest them. They will have to look further into it because you know, or they just hate me and they just don't want to hear my voice. I don't know, but if they're
true friends there was there will certainly listen. And yeah, I'm sure they will. Now I want to throw something at you because I got an email a couple of days ago, and I'll tell you how I answered after I bring this to you. We have said that many of these astronauts are kind of semi disclosing, like like you said that the infamous question from that little girl and she's like, because we didn't go. And I think he was even on a TV show five years ago where he kind of joked about not
going. Obviously, all three of those from Apollo eleven eleven is a big number of course for them and Apollo. All these missions are you know, named after their gods. But Charlie Duke, he was one of the I think the last group of Apollo astronauts to quote unquote walk on the moon. And apparently this guy, Charlie Duke, I've seen some of his interviews. He's a big Christian and professes that, you know, he swears that he
walked on the moon. And I'm again, I don't buy it for a second, but I wonder, I'm not sure sure if you have ever gone down the mk ultra rabbit hole. I wonder if I don't believe for a second that any of the first three astronauts that that was fake the whole way and they're lying about it. You could see it on their conscious But I wonder if the other ones, like Charlie Duke, I wonder if they were somehow brainwashed and they believe they went to the moon because mk ultra is real.
There's video of Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety five coming out and apologizing for it. Do you think there's a chance they manipulated these people's minds into the believe that they actually went to the moon or they just just pathological, evil liars. It could be one of could be both, But I definitely think the timeline syncop nimicely around the time where they would have been doing mk ultra
and these events. So it's definitely within the realms of possibility. We can't speculate and say it was or wasn't, but it's very likely it was. I mean, was was like insane. It was it was you know, you can actually tap into someone's brain and rewire it almost like a surgeon. So it's scary stuff. But yeah, I think definitely, definitely possible. I'm probably leaning eighty percent towards it being true and that they actually did perform
these on a lot of these astronauts. Who was the one you mentioned just now, Charlie Duke. Charlie Duke. Yeah, I'll definitely look into some of his interviews. And I don't claim to be a psychologist, but I feel like I can read people sometimes and I'll give them my best go for sure. And what's funny is every one of the astronauts pictures if you go on Wikipedia or whatever, they have their hands on a globe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, their little their little the little fairy Tale. Yeah,
they gotta, they gotta stick their hand on it. It is. It is a amazing and for me, the best, the best thing that we can do, like I said, is talk about it, but but also you've got to come with evidence, and it's it's almost our responsibility two learn as much about Like you said, we know more about the helos heliocentric model than people who believe in it, so that that does make me laugh as well, because like I said, I'll ask somebody how far the sun is
or whatever, and they'll say, well, I don't need to know because I have Google, and I feel like if you can kind of wake them up to see that, you know, Google is controlled. All these people, they don't have your best intentions to heart. Maybe show them some bohemium grow footage or just whatever. Just do whatever you can to wake them up, because we we we got to win this. We got to wait, it's a war and we've got to win the war. You know, this
is indeed a spiritual war one hundred percent. And people better understand that there may come a time where the Internet may be gone for a period of time. That's why here we print out our recipes. We try to buy books, you know, physical copies, just because like for me, I tend to believe that there's going to be like what here in the United States, the AT and T customers sold yesterday, They were out of service for eight hours. Some people blamed a solar flare, some people blamed the Chinese,
but again that may be one of the cards they play. And in order to get it back for our safety, we'll have to be some type of biometric right safety and maybe it'll be incorporated with a digital dollar. And again, if you don't want to be affiliated with that type of stuff that or maybe they'll you know how the Social credit score is currently being used in China, So yeah, yeah, exactly. So if you don't comply, if you don't go back to Facebook and delete that post that you made fun of
Joe Biden about, you're not going to have access to the internet. So you know, sometimes things may seem, oh, George, it's too dystopian, but I mean, look where we're at. Look around you up in your eyes exactly. Look in China. It's so crazy in China, some of the things they've got going over there where if you jaywalk, they'll take a picture of your face and put it on like I don't know if you've seen, but they put your face everywhere on all of these billboards. They
yeah, literally publicly shame you. I mean, that could definitely happen. And like you were saying, our internet went out last night. I didn't even know it was due to any anything like that, but my dad said this morning, he was like, did you see the internet when out last night? I was, oh, I was, I was asleep. But like you said, there could be a blackout and we're prepared. We've been my dad, he's got like a he's always prepared for like some sort of
apocalypse or anything. So you know, we've got our gas cookers, loads of gas, loads of fire, I would, loads of can food. And yeah, we're ready if it does happen. And I feel like people should get ready because it's very very likely it's going to happen. Yep, that's how we're operating here as well. You know, yeah, what do they say? You know, I hope for the best, expect the worst. Number four you you mentioned flight pass make no sense on the globe map.
We've really touched on that quite a bit here Eddie's book on sixteen Emergency Landings. Have you ever looked at that or has your dad seen that? The sixteen emergency landings that prove flat Earth? No, he hasn't seen that. And another of I but it gets to a point where I already I already accepted that we don't live on a ball at that point, and I looked into the flight paths just by going on to I pulled up a flat off map, and I pulled up the globe, one of many globes that
they've got. I know, they've got hundreds of different models. It never it's never consistent. But I pulled up one of their clothes and I think I punched in UK Heathrow Airport to Peru, which is where my family was going. And I looked at where they were stopping off and it was it was not a straight line, but on the flat off map it was pretty much a straight line. So that confirmed it all to me that, you
know, it just doesn't make sense on a ball. Why would you go all the way off into this direction when you could just go straight unless you are just going straight. Indeed, and like many of our previous guests said, when you're looking, especially when you're going on the transoceanic flights and you're watching the map, but you're you're you're looking like, why are we making
this big arch not going straight? It doesn't make any sense then, but once you were you wake up to flat Earth, it all makes perfect sense for sure. Number five was an inch one. You said, the NASA PDFs show we live on a stationary, non rotating flat Earth. Yeah, this is the one that my friends hate me for because I always bring it up and they can't explain it. And it's not that they just put we
test our aircrafts over a flat earth. This is on you know, government, These are government documents where if you know about their karmic retribution and how they're not allowed to lie and they've got to tell the truth so we can't sue them. Of course, they can lie about anything else outside of legal documents. But on the legal documents they specifically put stationary, non rotating flat earth, and not a single paragraph says that they test it over a globe.
So for me, that's like a real killer, real killer blow for somebody trying to argue for the ball. And if you take your time to go on CIA doc GOV, FBI doc GOV, Training annuals TMS for the military, UH including the UH sixties, there's many documents out there that say treat the earth as flat and non rotational. Why would you if it wasn't right? It makes no sense if it were moving. Why would you treat it as if it were not moving? Exactly exactly. It's a it's it's
it's laughable how they they cover it up. But it's it's like you said, the indoctrination is so deep. It's it's so hard to get people to to wake up. And you know, do you think, do you think fluoride has a has a a part to play in all this one hundred percent, one hundred percent. And if you actually take the time to do the research of look what is when they what is a derivative oil? Petroleum and they use that for many of the things we use plastic it's carcinogenic, right,
that that is a waste that they used to make our stuff. What about so aluminum fluoride comes from aluminum waste and they take the waste instead of having to spend the money to get rid of it, they put it in our you know, containers, they put it in our water. And I did an episode several years ago which basically entwined Edward Burneese who was the master of the psyop in psychology and fluoride, and of course they were. He
was behind the torches of freedom on Easter Sunday back in the twenties. All these women jumped into the parade and lit up their cigarettes. That was part of the big women's liberation movement. But he was also responsible for getting people to believe that, you know, putting this toxic and it is toxic matter into water, that it's going to make your teeth better and it. I do believe that maybe califying your penni or gland has something to do with it.
There are resorts that Goebbels used it back, you know, eighty years ago in Germany. It is quite a rabbit hole, and I do think that it does make it doesn't completely zamplify people, but maybe it makes them open to this this magic trick that they're doing to us. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know, when we're born and we go to school, going the information we're getting in terms of education is coming from people who want to screw us over. So you know, we're kind of left
in the dark to kind of figure this out ourselves. And every single day I'm doing my best when I get time to find out as much information. What's going to hurt me, what's going to benefit me? And I know, for sure, you can't go wrong with raw food, you know, fruits, vegetables, you know, you can't go wrong with that. But a lot of people, especially in the UK, depend on the water that they get from the tap and they a lot of people here drink it.
It's very very common and you're almost kind of looked down upon if you don't drink tap water. Here. It's it's really weird. I remember saying to someone like, is that tap water? And they were like yeah, and I was like, yeah, I'm not going to drink that. They kind of gave me this look like like I think I'm better than them, But of course it's not that. I just don't want to poison myself. That's it. You know. Yeah, you'll get that response, and you also
get up. Did you learn that from a YouTube video? Exactly? And by the way, I should say that petroleum isn't a waste product. It's a byproduct, but from aluminium. Did you say or aluminum or no? That was from the oil, the crude oil, but the other one was the fluoride that is a byproduct or waste product of the the aluminum alcohol. Cook We cook a lot of stuff in aluminium in the foil. Yeah,
pretty much everybody uses that to cook with. Yeah. Yeah, and how CoA back in one hundred years ago they were paying an arm and a leg to get rid of the waist, and uh, why spend money when we
can put it in the water. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, And it almost makes me think, like I tried to buy bottled water, but it's so difficult to get bold water that's like not in a plastic container or plastic bottle, and the ones that do come in glass bowls, they make them super super expensive, so only the the elites and the people who are on that side can afford it. So it's just it's it's it's unbelievable, and we've got a cost of living crisis over here in the UK.
I think they did say today they're going to manage to reduce it by two hundred pounds a year, which which really isn't going to make much difference. So it's it's incredible how they just continuously make it more and more difficult every year, and they give you these things called phones where you can get instant dopamine. Yep. You know all the entertainments run by them. They controlled
all the entertainment and they use that to push their proper ganda. So for people like me and you, George, it's very very difficult of course to actually get people even a little bit interested in this, let alone wake them up completely. So you know you're doing a good job. Man. I respect you a lot. I appreciate that, brother, and you've made so many astudent observations during this conversation, you know, from a twenty four year
old young man like yourself. That's that's quite amazing. By the way, we always when we talk about flat earth and how they compare it to anti vaxers, et cetera. If you actually go to Wikipedia where it talks about water flooridation, the second paragraph in it talks about that people who question a water flooridation are the equivalent to vaccinations and things of that nature. So again, oh yeah, yeah, if you're a flat earther, you're probably anti
vax and you question, how dare you question fluoride? You know, there's people around the world who would just die to have fluoride in their water to help with their teeth. Yeah, it's funny. They always come up with a label. They always have, like you're a flat arth or an anti vaxa or conspiracy theorist. They they love these labels. And the one that's
getting pushed right now, I believe it's like anti Semitic. We had one of the people in one of the political parties, not that I trust any of the political parties, but they were removed recently for saying that they are against genocide, and you know, apparently that you can be labeled as anti Semitic by just saying you don't support genocide. In today's world, it's crazy. Yeah, we do certainly live in a bizarre world. It's man yeah,
sane for sure. And it's almost like being The way I'm trying to explain it to people is that it's almost like being born on a ship and not knowing where you came from and not knowing where you're heading, and everybody on the ship kind of just telling you lies, which is essentially what we have. We're in a world where it doesn't seem like they're all lying, but they actually are when you look into it. But I do feel like it's becoming more and more easy to sort of, you know, show them
how fake some some things are. And you know, like you said, you start with the moon landing, maybe work your way up to nine eleven, and then things like COVID COVID, like I mean, there's so much bullshit and COVID. I actually got fooled by that completely. I'm double jabbed, sadly, But luckily my dad has friends and things like that who didn't get the jab So you know, I'm just fingers crossed. They didn't put anything too harmful. I know it's probably harmful, but hopefully I'll still be
here in a few years time, for sure, for sure. Always, yeah, you know, it was evil, it was. It was so many layers to that as well, all of these sigh ups they put on us. They have so many desired outcomes, so many and that of course was one of them. They took away our speech, they took away our churches, right, they shut down the churches, and they imposed medical tyranny on us. And of course, if you don't have, you know, physical autonomy, we have nothing, you know. And and many of the
things they actually did went completely against the Normbo code. If you read the very first rule in the Normbo Code. I've tried that again, Nurremberg code. It's very specific about coercion, and boy were we coerced by the way. Not to beat a dead horse. But going back to the fluoride rabbit hole is very deep. Yeah, for sure. If you study the the cun trees that are that use fluoridated water, most of them have the highest cancer rates in the world. There you go. And another thing I'll add
as well. More people die in hospitals and outside of hospitals. Yeah, which is pretty pretty mind blowing. It's I always say to people because since I started doing that whole wim Hoff breathing, I kind of came to the conclusion that I can sort of tap into the placebo effects, you know, the whole idea that if my body thinks this is going to I'll be fine, and I will be fine. So I just constantly keep thinking that, and it seems to be working. I don't get ill. I'm always feeling
great. I'm always you know, very active. And for me, it's it almost goes back to my childhood when I pretend to be ill, you know, when you pretend to be ill so you get out of school, and I'd actually end up becoming ill. So it's almost like I made that happen myself. And I feel like people don't pay enough attention to the fact that, you know, positive thoughts can create positive outcomes. And that's interesting. You mentioned that. That remind me. Have you ever seen the Rice
experiment with emotions where they have rice in two different jars? George, I never believe this, but I've actually got this down in my notes. My brother wanted me to ask you about that. There you go, that's crazy. So for those who go the nice experiment, we're planning on doing that soon. I haven't had time recently, but we're gonna start that this weekend and I'll email you my results. Yeah, please do. I'll be sure
to report them to the audience. For those who may not be aware, there was an experiment many other people have conducted it online where you have rice and two different jars. One the guy would pick up the jar and be rate it and yell at it every day, and the other one he would talk kind to it and give it love. And basically the jar of rice he would yell at would die exponentially quicker than the other jar. Right, yeah, exactly, and it works. It seems to work with water as
well. I know people have done it with water, and they've said like nice things to the water, like words like peace and like religion and God, and it would form really beautiful crystals, almost like they look like perfect snowflakes, like perfect geometry. I mean, if you need any more proof that there is a creator, just just do the rice experiment. I think it will really because a lot of people are very bitter, very horrible.
They don't speak very nicely to each other. And you know, words are powerful, man, They can literally manipulate reality, you know, one hundred percent. I look forward to your results. That's something. It's one of the many things that I really want to do. I need to get it on my list. And because it's something easy enough anybody can do. For sure, we are starting to wash on on time. Is there any other things that you wanted to cover before we say goodbye? Yeah, just too
experiments that people can do at home. Sure. The first one being when the moon is out and they're not covering it with the clouds or anything like that. Take two glasses of water, leave one in the moonlight, leave one in the shade, and you will see when you measure the temperature of them. If you leave them out there for like twenty minutes, you'll see that the one in the light is colder than the one in the shade. And anybody who can do that at home, and it's very very easy.
But I'm sure you know all about the fact that you know the moon's light is not coming from the sun one hundred percent, and that's important, which is another thing is interesting. If the moon is so bright when we get these pictures back from these rovers on the moon. Why does it look like just this dark dust bowl? Yeah, yeah, exactly, No, it is funny sense. And my last and final point, I've already made this point, but I just won't really want to reiterate it for any of the
listeners. Please, if you haven't come on, and you're you don't, you don't really want to come on, and you don't want to talk, please do it, because I think it is the best way to wake people up. I know all of my friends and my family members who don't believe in the flat Earth would never listen to this unless I'm on it. They all said they're going to tune in, so hopefully now they're interested in Hopefully this conversation has helped in their awakening. I'm sure it has, and I
hope. You know what's really cool is over the last you know, one hundred and some episodes, we've really had folks from different countries, different continents, different states, men, women, you know, older folks, younger folks, and it's really great to see everybody come together with this bond because I think the one thing we all have in common is we don't have a
whole lot of people. We can sit down with and have these type of conversations locally, so you know, to me, I feel spoiled because I get to have this conversation a couple times a week with people. But I hope you know this. This provides some type of outreach and Arvin has provided his email which will be in the show notes. So if you want to reach out to him, maybe you're over in the UK and you want to say hi, buy him a pint, you can go into the show notes
and send Arvin an email and say hello. It's It's been an absolute pleasure having you, and I will leave you the last word, sir, thank you so much for having me, George, and thank you everyone for listening. Shout out to my dad and shout out to my friend Clova, the only two flat earthers I know. There you go, shout out and again thanks again for joining us, and to everyone, thank you for your continued support. I hope you have a great week. Don't forget the email the
flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. Check out the website the Flatterthfiles dot com for Arvin. I am George, God bless everyone. Have a great week, and until the next time we meet. My friends, we will see you. I know it's been a struggle. I don't know if you've had. I'm gonna feel tired, hell down by all the way. Yeah, I don't you feel the more you smile ain't the same. I saw you wall go from you. I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give it, No, don't give it, and never is home. Don't
let call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's got up, glad. Why it's a way down? Got up? Let me come why away? God, m call, I can see the straight beside you. Child's are putting up the five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing. You are. Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found beautiful. You're shoving ride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, move you can hold your head a pie. Don't give up. No, don't give
in. You never lose home. Don't let go on the primise. It ain't done Yet's God, I plant WA's some way down the god of me, because don't give up. No, don't give in. You never live home. Don't let go on the primies. It ain't unlife. It's worth lit man. What's a way town? Got up? Why spray down God steaming, Oh yeah, what's the pray down the God baby call? Oh yeah, gotta don't give up, No, don't give in? Never sol do they go off? The primis in and dumb yeas got up playing?
Why do kind of evy colts don't give no dog giving what? Never the hold? Don't they got the crimes? It ain't done? Is both living? What's God? God of air comes all, the God of needs? Why, God of you're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.