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very nice to meet you. We've been corresponding for some time and it's great to have you on the program. Yes, and some heads up for listeners if you're sending the email, My sure that you are choosing the right email address, because I tried to reach George a few times using a wrong email address and I was curious why he's not answering. So, yeah, good thing to know. Good to know, indeed, and please do take a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, so, Madara.
Emphasis is on the first syllable from Latvia, which is not so small in the country, but the biggest as well in Europe, next to the twenty Estonia and Russia. As we talked before, Georgie, and not the best time maybe to be here at the moment, since all the Ukraine Russia stuff going on and you never know what is real, what is propaganda, and so and so on. But all together with, I personally don't feel it that much, except that we can see Ukraine legs everywhere and we don't see
let Win flags. And yeah, about me, I come from a very very very small city village, I might say, in the middle of the forest, near one city called Alas. And yes, beforehand we talked with George and he asked what made me a flat er? And I started to think about the question, and I thought that I think I'm conspiracy in minded since forever, and it might be because I'm from that small village. The nearest city was around thirty kilometers away, so we were in the middle of
the forest. We had the boarding school there. My parents were principles and owners of the school. So yeah, it was away from society, and I was not interested in TV, so I spent a lot of time outside in the nature and thinking about the world and about I don't know, about good and evil and stuff like that. That'ting. So you came from a background of education. Your mother and father were educators. Yeah, my mom is a teacher. She is a teacher in a Russian school. Actually we
still have those. They're planning to shut them down now in Latvia, but we still have Russian schools and she's a teacher there. She has been a teacher, I think all her life. And I grew up in school. Yeah, but it was a boarding school, so it's not your everyday education system. It's still like it was a music school in people like children came from all around the country. They could learn music and get also the basic
education. But yeah, most of the time it was they were dropped off on Monday and parents picked them up on Friday, so it's like, yeah, they lived there as well, so it was like a boarding school almost. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was exactly boarding school and that was sorry, go ahead. There was no public transports to get there, so yeah, I think maybe ninety nine of the pupils who were there for a
week. Now, growing up, you were in our rural area, right in a village with a lot of trees, not a ton of people like, not like Moscow or you know, these bigger cities like Riga or Kiev or Talent. Yeah, I'm assuming you were doing a lot of things, maybe milking cows. You guys maybe weren't going to the grocery store for all of your foods. You were working, right, The bread was handmade and things like that, not like here in America people get their food from the
grocery store. Most people don't homestead or do things like that. Yeah, it was a bit from both of the world because we had cows and stuff in the beginning. But afterwards we actually got our money from this so respond which is funny now, Really I grew up, I grew up knowing the name Sours, Yes, and we got a lot of charity from USI actually yes, because my father used to be a politician as well, so he was good with sponsors and he was good with projects and that kind of stuff.
But also he had problems with alcohol. So it's yeah, a bit from both of the world. But yeah, since I remember, we didn't have any cause we didn't have any shops as well. It was I don't know how it's called in English, but we had a shop on wheels, like a tiny bus came once in a week and you could buy you could buy groceries there. That's really interesting. And now I'm not sure if you remember Latvia pre nineteen ninety one because it was originally part of the USSR.
Correct, Yeah, that's correct, But I was born in ninety two. Oh okay, so my doctor. But I've heard a lot from my parents and grandparents, and in the summers I did live in a farm as well, but yeah, it was in a different city. But yes, to answer the question about the basics, I think that what that was one of the things that influenced made the most because I remember that my brother really loved to watch cartoons and there was this this show on TV called The Charmed.
I don't know if you know the show about three whiches was quite popular, and it was quite popular in Latvia as well. And I remember that we didn't have so good connection. We were able only to read the subtitles in Russia, and everything else was you know, when the antennas are not working properly, you get this fuzzy picture on the TV. And yeah, we couldn't see the picture, but we could just read the subtitles. And we did watch that with my my sister, and yeah, that was the only
show I was interested in. And I ended up buying some candles and doing some witchcraft and stuff like that. So that was something I had to come over when I when I started to believe in Christ, and only recently I understood that like, okay, I did those things unknowingly, but still you don't hear in church that there are the things that you did in childhood that
might influence you when you're growing up. And you usually hear about I don't know, the adultery and robberies and stuff like that, that that's bad, but you don't hear that often churches that as well. Witchcraft is something that can influence you. Yeah, it's a big deal. It's something that we have to deal with here in the United States on a daily basis. Even the commercials have this kind of evil in it that the propaganda that they use
with the television is just scary. We we basically have gotten rid of it just because everything about it is just, you know, something as simple as like you said, Charmed, the TV show, which was huge over here. It had big stars Alissa Milano, Shennon Doherty and all these folks, and again people will see it as harmless, you know, just a harmless TV show. But when you dig deep, and there's a prime example,
you were you were actually lighting candles and practicing. It's it's really something that we talk about a lot on this program about how how dangerous you know, the propaganda is here in this country and it's and it reaches across the Baltic Sea to you, yeah, exactly, and especially for the kids. I didn't think about it. It was just an interesting show and I thought,
oh, maybe I can write my own spells and stuff like that. Also, I carved the symbol from the show in the candles and oh my, and now now I have two kids, the twins there are a bit more than a year old, and I have Exemma and all kinds of stuff, and I started to read books about occultism and how it's passed from generation to generation, and yeah, I just ended up going to my church's pastor and having some kind of I forgot the word now, but yeah, when you
confess your sin, confession, Yeah, I went to a confession and only then I started to put those points together that yeah, I did that when I was when I was small. And it says that it might be three generations that are influenced by that, and yeah, it was kind of crazy to understand that it's a TV show, but it influences you so so much,
especially when you were a kid. Because also when I went to school, everyone was crazy about the show and we did we used some needles and put our fingers together like we are blood sisters, and like, yeah, just crazy stuff. Yeah, it really is. And outside of that,
you said you didn't really watch much television. When did Were you one of these people that all of your life you always questioned the official narrative And maybe it was different because maybe the propaganda is a little more obvious in different parts of the world. When do you think you really started questioning the official narrative of things that maybe you heard on the news or those type of things. Yeah, it's interesting to think about because when I was little, I didn't
watch the news. One thing I remember very vividly was the nine to eleven because also in Latvia, we were shown the same video you can see now when you're looking on Google searching and on Google. I remember that because we had a friend who lived in Pennsylvania and all that kind of stuff. I never even imagined that it could be fake, Like why why would anyone fake that? I didn't think about it. But I was not. I don't know, I was not the same I was. Yeah, I don't know
how to explain. I was never I never fit in with other kids. I didn't think about what is propaganda, is what is fake and all that. But I always thought a little differently because I loved reading books. I loved to spend time with teachers, not other kids. Yeah, there were slight differences, but I think it comes together with the fact that I grew
up in the forest and I just had a very very big imagination. Yeah, I could find what to do anywhere, and I I think I still have never said that I'm bored because you can always find things to do, but what comes to the system and not fitting in the system. And I think that started when I was around thirteen fourteen, because I recently when we moved, I found some essays I wrote for school. And actually interesting fact is that we are required to read Animal Firm or ninety eighty four in school.
It's part of a really yeah, yeah, that's fun because I think you don't have to read that in school in USA, but we do have. It's part of the list of the books we have to read. You can choose between Animal Farm and nineteen ninety four. I've read both of them and that was one of the books that influenced me the most. And then since I read that, I was like, oh, the system is broken. The system is broken and all that. Like. For example, one
of the things that's popular here in Latin are very bad roads. Road quality. It's very very bad. Yeah, people are joking that the country should pay us that we drive our cars because they break down, so and of course we pay the tax for the roads, but everyone's laughing that it should be the other way around. Also, we have the speed traps everywhere. And also the official said, oh, we have to remove some of the speed traps because they are not getting so much money as we plan. So
they're even admitting that it's not for safety, it's for money. They're trying to earn money. When somebody goes, I don't know, five kilometer or over and the speed of it, okay, usually it's ten. But still that the official government said, oh, we have to remove some of those because it's not enough, it's not turning enough. That's right, Trust me,
we get it. You know, we pay a lot of taxes here in the States, and we see we don't get any of the benefits of it, right, and it must be frustrating for you to pay taxes and uh, you know to see your roads never get fixed. And we have projects on the roads here. They take years, you know, we'll have I live close to Route three oh one and they've had construction on it ever since I've moved back three years ago. So yeah, it's it's a joke.
Yeah, it's very very bad here. And yeah, what I was about to say, yeah, the system and everything's broken and all that. But I think a lot of things also changed for me when I started to believe in believe in God, because it just made sense how the world operated because also I mentioned my father. He has been alcoholic in my life and he is also kind of it's not an official diagnos diagnosis, but he's like she's a Frannic in the spiritual way that he thinks that he was sent from
God. And he said that a lot of times when we were little, that he's sent from God, he has special powers. But at the same time, he drank. And there was a lot of violence in my family family, and I always thought, Okay, if God was real, then then why is this happening? Then why God is not punishing him? And also my mom had cancer, and I thought, okay, my father is the bad one, so why is my mom? I think this sickness? And yeah, a lot of things happened and I couldn't understand. I couldn't
understand. I was like, Okay, God cannot be real if all this is happening in my life and in other people's lives. But then, yeah, I don't know. Something changed in me. I understood that that's not God that makes these things happen, and had a lot of forgiveness and understanding that that's the world that's wicked, not God. Because God is perfect, and it changed a lot a lot that in my life. Also it changed me as a person a lot because I was not bitter, I was not
hateful. I just understood that God is perfect and it's us that make the world wicked with people. And then a lot of things made sense because of that, also that the system is broken and everything just started to make sense. That. Yeah, it changed how I looked at life and understood that the government is not necessarily good, because before that I didn't think that.
I was naively thinking that everyone is just doing their best job. Also in the government, not only teachers and doctors, but everyone is just they are doing their best. And yeah, somehow I just neglected that there is evil in the world before that. But now and after I became a believer, it was like, I don't know, fifteen years ago, a lot of things changed and fell into perspective. Am into that. You really laid that out perfectly. And you know, Latvia has a history. You know,
you hear certain parts of World War two in the history books. Right, we all know about the Battle of the Bulge and the Holocaust and those type of things. But what is not taught here in our public schools are the
concentration camps we had in the United States where we held Japanese Americans. But also post World War Two, there was a lot of evil and if people don't know, back in March of nineteen forty nine, I think that was close to fifty thousand Latvians who were all swept up and deported to Siberia and something called Operation pre Boy, and it was somewhere between fifty thousand and ended up being close to two hundred thousand that were deported to the Soviet concentrated camps
which were called what the gulags from the mid to late forties all the way through the early fifties. So a lot of people think that World War two ended and rainbows and unicorns were all about, But that's the farthest thing from the troop. A lot of Latvians suffered for close to ten years after the end of World War Two. I believe that you know about my history a lot more than I do, because I started to become interested in history, only I don't know two years ago. Before that, I was not that
interested. I knew only some facts that that were told by my ancestors. Also, for example, god father of my mom he was also in Siberia, and we found his diaries. He always used to write only with a pencil in case he needed to raise it. All the Russians came and these kind of things. I knew only what I've read in his diary and in some books. But I was never actually interested in history. I was interested in languages and yeah, but not history. And now I think, oh,
if only I would have learned when I was in school. But yeah, you know, we also don't know what's real and what's not. I know that the things that my ancestors told me that they are real since they lived lived through that. But yeah, also they stored some food still, I don't know ten years ago in fears of Russians returning and the fear, the fear is real. Not only he could COVID times, but the war times. And yeah, yep. And you know what, we did the
same thing. My wife and I We put together a journal that we're going to pass down to our daughters and hopefully they'll pass it down to their children about the truth about COVID. So if they ever try to pull this again, they'll have an actual document from family members who say they're going to try to push vaccine on you. They're going to try to lock you in your house, they're going to try to close your churches, and it's all propaganda
and it's all evil. It's so evil that everything about COVID was evil. Yeah, that's actually a good idea. But about the vaccines and closing down the churches, that's interesting. My husband's cousins they say that I remember from childhood that their my mother burned them about this beforehand. I don't know the full story, but I remember meeting the cousins and they were like, yeah, our mom always said that this will happen, and it happened. It's
like, yeah, I don't know, she said. She said. It was not like I don't know, dream from God or anything, but that just it made sense that this is going to happen. Yep. And now that they've done it at work, they'll do it again. Yeah, exactly. Also here. But yeah, it's so connected, so connected, the
globalism and all that. Because I was thinking also beforehand, and I listened to Jordan Peterson's podcast a lot, and he had a politician on on the show, and they thought they were talking about Toronto and how the cities are ruined for the cars, that they're removing parking lots, that they are making a lot of bikelines in the places that make no sense. And all this is happening in Latvia. I was listening to the podcast nest I thought that
they're talking about Riga because exactly the same thing is happening here. They're putting on some plastic poles everywhere so that you can't park your car there. The problem is that also the ambulance cannot go there. They don't care. And this is all done by the organization called the City for the People. And I think ninety nine percent of the people never drew a car. Of course, they make not so smart decisions about the city. They remove the the
parking spots. They removed also a lot of space from the road, so you get a lot more traffic. And Jordan Peters said, Peterson said one sentence that made me think, it's not a bug, it's a feature. That's that's a plan. So you don't want to go to the city, you have to walk there, you have to use public transport. And that's yeah, as he said, it's not a bug, it's a feature. But what's interesting is that what is happening there in Canada is the same thing
happening here in small Latvia. Yeah, that the what's it cities for people? That was pushed by someone named Jan Gehl and g e h L, and it's also pushed by the United Nations. And if people don't believe that we already have a global governance, I'm willing to bet that you guys went through everything we did. Downs, you had to wear masks, you had to stay six feet apart. You guys go through all that as well.
Yeah, yeah, of course. And I also had to leave my job because I was not I wasn't able to work remotely, and we were supposed to get to vaccines. So yeah, I didn't. I was Yeah, I asked to leave. Later, they made it even legal to fire people. But the start it was more or less you have to leave. But they actually legalized it where they can fire you if you don't take a vaccination. Yeah, oh wow. The start, it was only in the public
sector. But afterwards also I think the law said something like that if the employer thinks that you are a threat to the rest of the people, then they can fire you or something like that. I don't know for sure. But that was the idea. So a few sneeze, they can fire you. Right, you're yeah, but you have the flexi glass, so you're saying, oh my gosh, I was six and a half feet away. It's okay, that's just insane. Yeah, it's two meters here. Did
did they close churches where you were to? Yeah? Everything was closed the same regulations. You can't go outside after eight o'clock only if you have a dog. The dog, yes, yeah, and also near your house, so if the police stops you with the dog, you have to show which is your door. And also the phones were connected to some kind I don't
know how they attract the phone. So also you are not available. You were not able to gether indoors or for New Years, forbidden to celebrate New Years, and some people, of course tried to do that, and they had some guesthouses. And then yeah, the police came with the rights and gave fines to people. I think it was two thousand or two thousand euros per person. They made it very very public, so that next time when there is this law, that nobody tries. Yeah. And also people ended
up reporting on each other. So a lot of our friends just bought some blinds that they never wouldn't see that they are having somebody over. And yeah, we escaped Soviet times just to do exactly the same thing again all over again, history repeating itself. Did most people in your area where you live, did they think it was all about safety? Like? Did they?
Were they fine with it? Or were there a lot of people like yourself who said this is ridiculous and they're taking our rights away all in the name of COVID. I think most of the people thought that it's okay because this is the capital. I live in the capital city. When you drive farther away, there were also one little town where the police officer he just didn't
give fines to people. He was like one of the people. He allowed everyone to work and so on. And we asked some French how is it going there, and the answered that it's fine because the policeman is for the people. But yeah, but that's further as you get out into the capital. Yeah, the closer you got to the capital, the more harder fist it was run. Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Also a lot of my colleagues and everyone used I don't know, two masks, and also
the weird glass what you can put on with a cat. Yeah. It was also mandatory to use masks indoors, and at my workplace, I said, okay, I'm not going to do that, and I started to work my invented second shift. So I came to work when everyone else left because I worked in a bank at that time, so it was like a back office job, and I was I was able to plan my own time. But yeah, I booked a meeting room and I came to work when everyone
else went home. And after a while there was there were some people who are not fine with it. They said, oh, she's booking the meeting room for the next half year. It's not allowed, not allowed. Why is she doing that? And yeah, then I left that job as well. Wow, But most of the people thought that it is. It's fine at least around me. Okay, maybe some of our closest friends taught a little bit similar to us, but everyone was like, okay, but I
don't want to lose my job or or you'll never know. And now also now they most of the people are not even interested in what's happening in the world. I'm very happy that I have my husband, because he thinks a lot like me and we're on the same page. But a lot of people around they're like, oh, okay, what does it matter now, I took the vaccine. I don't feel anything. I'm not dead, so what does it matter? They just don't care now, And yeah, I did
a little research. Is it true they have like upwards of ten vaccines that are mandatory that you have to take or is that just like quotes mandatory? But you can still get away without getting vaccinated like childhood Yes, childhood vaccines, I mean no COVID. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That is absolutely true. Also, if you take vaccine, it's combined vaccine, so if you take one, it's like six or seven combined in one, so you can't even choose, like I want this for my kid
and I don't want the other one because it's all in one. But yeah, that is very much true and very very painful topic for me because I did that first ones for our kids, for the twins, but yeah, I regret it because they had a very bad reaction. Also, we actually decided not to get hold of them. We decided to take one this combined and there were two separates, so it's like, yeah, the combined one with two separate in one at one appointment, and we decided to take only
the combined one and not the other two. But they had some kind of doctor meeting. It was seven doctors sitting there and asking questions and taking the kids like from hand to hand. And they asked, so, are you going to accent the kids? And usually they don't ask this question, they just mostly do. But we already said in the previous appointment that we are still thinking about it. So they asked and I said, yes, only
the combined one. And in all these chaos, they just put all vaccines and I was like, okay, so we did that for one kid, I can't experiment on the other one. Yeah, so we ended up giving the vaccines also to the second kid. But we actually do regret that, and also the exam I thing. I don't know. Maybe it's also because of that, and I didn't I was not interested in vaccine truth as it's
called before I started to think about it only when I got kids. Sure, yeah, absolutely, And again I think COVID is another thing that did wake people up to the vaccinations, because people started asking, well, what's in the vaccine. I don't worry about it, and then people actually started taking the time. Here in the United States, we have the CDC and you can look up every vaccine. Some of the vaccines obviously have fetal cells,
some vaccines actually have cells from dogs. And then of course they have formaldehyde, different egg junks, and it's just yeah, and the fact that the big pharmaceutical basically has no liability it is something that should be a huge red flag for people. Yeah, actually the ingredients are different for you in USA, it's worse. In Europe it is not that bad. But yeah,
still nobody is liable. And I also, when we asked to our family doctor, she answered, oh, you know, how to think about it, we have talked instead of you, like, yeah, that was our problem and she didn't understand that we couldn't answer any of our questions. And yeah, basically she was mad that we were even asking. And that in itself is another red flag because like I tell people, if I gave you a cup with a drink in it and I said, here, drink this, and you asked me, well, what's in it? And I
said, oh, don't worry about it, just drink it. Are you going to drink it? Of course not it's important for people know what they're putting in their body right exactly, and also especially for the kids. Yes, especially for the kids. But yeah, we did we did that, But that's true. We have so many of them. And also it's you get them when the kid is three months old, then four months old and
six month old or something like that. We have a vaccine calendar, even official calendar, and every time you don't want to take even one of them, you have to sign a paper that you're liable as a parent. Wow, what a world we live in. Let's let's talk a little bit about flat Earth. Let's transition over to that. How did you first come upon the subject. It's a kind of funny story. My husband came from work one day and he said, yeah, kind of what happened to that at
work? And I think the earth is flat? And I thought that he has gone completely mad, really, but his boss started to take lessons as a pilot and he's also conspiracy minded and they often end up talking about the weird things in the world, and also about the vaccines. About now the hot topic is the mushrooms and how they can help you avoid medicine and so on. But yes, the flatters. He just he just blurbed it out to me and said, okay, listen now, and he started to tell
everything that has that they talked about about the airplane routes. He even showed me the mad Uh where you can see live live routes for airplanes. And also that he the posts that he got to know about the treaty and that you cannot go to Antarctic and that's kind of sketchy, and yeah, all these things, you know, like the beginner steps. And I was very skeptic at the first because I'm yeah, I'm a book worm. I like to read. My favorite books when I was a kid was encyclopedias. I
read them a lot. So yeah, I just thought that it is very very crazy. I couldn't Yeah, the first I couldn't believe it, and I thought that they're mad. And then he started to tell these things and they started to make a lot more sense. Also, the Bible makes a lot more sense and the genesis and all that. But yeah, I think the biggest question for me were the flight patch because I used to travel by
playing a lot. I used to live in Norway as well. Yeah, I you know, when you're flying on an airplane, they show you this little map that you're flying. Yeah, I always thought that it was kind of weird, the flight paths. So yeah, that's I think that was number one for me, that it just makes no sense. And I also
I used to I used to work at airplane company. Well I worked there for like a month, but yes, we had to take all the flight attendant courses and exams and and all that, and every time I went on a plane, I just thought that, yeah, this is very weird. Oh they're they're flying. Also, I was supposed to fly with the pilots. Well, it's part of the lessons before you can become a flight attendant.
You sit together with pilots so you know what they're doing when they're departing or arriving, so you understand why you can't can't come in when they're yeah, when they're lending the plane for example, that they're busy with all the all the things the violence do. Yeah, and I remember that. I also never saw the curve. I took a video and I took pictures,
but I deleted them. I don't know why I didn't save them, but I remember the fact that everything was flat for like forever, also above the clouds, And yeah, I didn't think about it then, but now when I think about it, said that I deleted the videos because they actually allowed us to take to take videos from Coca. Yeah, that's two things that
you'd mentioned. I think about a lot. Is because when I was in the military, every time we went to the Middle East, we'd go from bangor Maine to either Ireland or Germany, and the plane would look like it was going up and around. It made no sense, Like you said, the flight path, why aren't we going straight across? But when you look at it on a flat Earth map, it makes complete sense. And I too, somewhere when I was coming home back ten twenty years ago, I
had pictures too, and it just it's just completely flat. And then when I climb the Manitude incline in Colorado Springs, you can see forever. It's just we've been brainwashed to believe these things, and once you're awake, you just kind of like, I kicked myself. How did I let myself get fooled? All the evidence was right in front of me all this time. Now, I'm assuming when you were in school that they taught you about the
moon landing and everything else right. Actually don't remember about the moon landing, but it was in all the encyclopedia as I read when I was a kid, so yeah. We had also one encyclopedia that said that people used to think that the earth is flat, and that this Columbus now yeah Christopher Columbus. Yeah yeah, yeah, let you and it's a bit different. We also translate people's names into really weird here. Yeah, so that he was
afraid to fall off the edge. It was in the encyclopedia that sentence. So yes, of course I was indoctrinated when they're very young age. But yeah, I think one thing that characterizes me is that I really trust the Holy Spirit now since I came back to Christ, and I kind of feel like that every time I find out some truths. It just makes sense because also when I was pregnant with my Twinston, I was put on a bad rest. I could not do anything, so I was just watching a lot
of conspiracy documentaries, like I don't know, twenty four seven. It was like everything I was doing, and I learned also about history more than I learned, more than I learned in school, know twelve years. So yes, I also watched about UFOs and stuff like that. But I was very interested in that, and then watched also a documentary on Netflix, but I couldn't go to sleep because it was like after watching a horror movie. I didn't feel very I don't know, very good. I was a bit scared
and it just yeah, it just scared me. And then I talked to one of our Christian friends that are I think the only ones that are also flat earthers, and they said yes. But I've heard also stories that when when somebody see the UFO, they started to they start to pray to Jesus that it disappeared basically, and I thought, okay, that makes sense, and then yeah, all my UFO money, I just yeah, was stopped
with that because I thought that makes sense. And of course afterward, when I started thinking about the flat ears, it makes sense that there isn't any UFOs because yeah, there is nowhere to come from. That's right, that there very may very well be experimental flying obstacles that man has created that they're
hiding from us. Even back during World War Two, they had the food fighters which resembled you know, UFOs, and I do believe they brought a lot of those back to the United States the area fifty one, and that's probably what people saw, Yeah, but also could be some kind of deep hypnosis. And I mentioned that I read the book about occultism, and also the man he mentioned that a lot of magic and a lot of hypnosis and
all these kind of things he has observed. It also works on massive masses, not only on one person like one on one, but also for the masses. And we can see that hypnosis shows as well. So yeah, you never know. Of course, it could be like Project Bluebeam type of thing or anything. But I think that part of it might be also like black magic or something like that. Yeah, and they used the TV to
deliver a lot of the hypnosis and this mind programming. Just two days ago they had mentioned this big top secret thing in Washington, d C. Where Russia has developed this laser and outer space or something that can knock out our satellites. It's just just more more trickery. Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, why I thought to come on the podcast is just the thing that it's all connected. It is that it doesn't matter that I'm in latter and
you're in USI so like the same things are happening. Also recently. Recent thing that happened. I think that you changed the passports there and it removed a lot of national symbols. There is that true? I read I saw it on Instagram that some states changed the passport and it removed the eagle or something that you used to have. I'm not from have to check. I don't know. I saw it on Instagram, so I don't know if that's true, but it could be true because the same thing happens in Latvio.
Know, we changed the design and we had a lot of national symbolism there. Oh okay, it originates in paganism, but anyway, it's like the national identity and it is being removed. And also that's another thing that points to globalism, that we have one world government where everyone is the world citizen, and we have almost the same passports with no national symbolism. Well,
I think this is one of the big reasons behind the mass immigration. They're trying to get all the borders to collapse and have a one world government. And this is happening. It's been happening in the UK for years. It's been happening in Canada, United States, and many European countries. I've heard people say that Paris is not close to the country it was twenty years ago.
Yeah, it could be, and it's happening. Also here in Latvig we have a lot of student programs for people from India and from Pakistan, I think as well, actual programs. The students are basically invited here. And also a lot of jobs are being opened, like food deliveries and all all kinds of stuff. They prefer immigrants, and yeah, you can just see it here as well. Maybe for not so many years, but for the last five at least, it's Yeah, it's everywhere, especially in capital
city as well. Also, the Ukrainians now are coming in so and what's funny is that they're closing country schools. They are making a lot of new laws that are basically making countryside die. So when we come to the capital city and yeah, it just makes no sense because the birth rate also is catastrophically low here. So we get new immigrants, we get new people, but actual the Latvians are dying out themselves, immigrating to Scandinavia to UK.
Yeah, it's it's the same here. Our birth rates have declined. It not even like a steady decline, it has fallen off a clip, especially over the last five to ten years, and obviously with COVID and everything else, keeping people apart that that's all part of their plan, right. I don't know if you remember the Georgia Guidestones, which in Georgia, and the very first thing was keeping the world population at five hundred million, and according
to the official stats, we're at eight billions. So they're obviously doing their part to try to get it down. And yeah, here in the United States the birth rates are alarmingly low. Yeah, it is the same here. We have to put the Middle East somewhere else. I guess that's the plan. I don't know that's how it sounds. I think I answered this before we hit the record button. But have you had any luck sharing your
knowledge with flat earth with other people? Or do you get the usual cold shoulder and the crazy look from people when you mention it, or have you not really had an opportunity to bring it up with others? Well, I've tried with one with one couple, a couple friends we have. They're still thinking we are crazy, but that's fine. And they had a lot of questions, like about the quator and I can't really answer them so that it
makes sense. So I was trying to find David Wise video, but you cannot find anything, Like I went through I don't know whuty pages on Google. It's just not there. I tried Flatters and David Wise and like also specific sentences. It's just blocked here at least way. I know that it's centered also for you, but that you cannot find it at all. That was new for me really. Also on doctor Goal and the index is blocked because it's a Russian site, so everything that's Russian is blocked here. That's
right. One other one you might want to try is called Brave. It's a little better than Duck Duck Go. Yeah, I might. I might check that out. But yeah, I mean that is crazy. Also, as you said, the red flag, if it's so so blocked, so it must be true. That's right. How did you find my podcast? I wrote Flatters on Spotify. I think it showed a suggested podcast, so
that was not blocked. So Spotify is not that bad in that interesting how YouTube is so controlled by the algorithm, But still for now the podcasts aren't. M Yeah, that is interesting, but maybe it's because not now Okay, the podcasts are very popular at the moment, So no, I don't know. Yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah, I wanted to talk a
little bit more about your silver bullets. But did they talk did they teach you much about the Russian space program growing up or was it just basically they touched on the moon landing, We went to the moon and the Earth is round and they left it at that or how deep did they go into these subjects when you were going through school. Well, I changed five schools,
so they all had different approaches. Oh wow, Yeah, but I remember that they did teach in depth about the Earth itself, like the the atmosphere that it has I don't know how many levels, and the stratosphere and all that, and also what's in the earth. That's something that I remember kind of vividly because it had a lot of pictures. You know that you can see the core and that's where the lava comes from and all that. Uh,
that was thought a lot. So yes, of course you think about it as a globe because they make it make sense like they yeah, they say that the volcanos explained that, and the lights explain this, and okay, yeah it makes sense also in the flat earth. But the picture. The picture in your mind is a globe when you when you're taught, isn't that interesting? As you get older and you think of things like they know
exactly what the core of the Earth is. At the same time you find out the deepest hole in the world is only seven and a half miles So how do they know? Yeah, and the temperature on Mars and everywhere else, and yeah, it's ridiculous. It really makes no sense. And I
think that's one of the points. It just makes no sense. It was the same also with the belief in God for me, because I remember that I went to university and the teacher was explaining and saying that, Okay, we have the Darwin theory and it's like this and that, and yeah, it's been pretty much proven wrong. And then we have this theory and it goes like this and that, but it's pretty much wrong and or has some missing links. And then she said like, okay, there is the Bible
theory and nobody can prove it wrong. And I was like, hmm, that's interesting. The same was also with the origins of language and all that. Oh. Yeah, for me to believe it, I think it just has to make sense. And yeah, flatter makes sense, yep. And I think we also talked about how when you came on flat earth and when you understood flat earth, did it bring you closer to God and your faith with Jesus Christ and it maybe helped you understand the Bible a little better.
Well, somehow it's the other way around, because I think I can believe in flatters because I believe in God. For me, it was the other way around. But yeah, Genesis makes more sense. And also that I started to take Bible more literally because before that it's like the parts you cannot explain. Oh, it must be a metaphor precisely. Yeah, no, no, it just makes more sense. And I can also imagine that there are these paul and angels and that they might be the big like big what
do you think of a bigfoot? And all these things that you could take that literally. And before I thought of it more like a folklore. But yeah, no, now I think it's more literal. Yeah. And the thing that bothers me the most is, you know, here's a young you know, I always talk about the children. They're in church for one or two hours a week here in the United States, and then thirty to thirty
five hours in the public school system. And if you go to Google, like what the young children do today, and you know, maybe in church they hear about Noah's flood and then they go to Google when they get home and they put Genesis flood into the Google. The very first paragraph says the Genesis flood narrative, which is chapter six through nine of the Book of Genesis,
is a Hebrew flood myth. So you know, here is is Wikipedia, right, all knowing Wikipedia telling children who go on to Google to research it. Oh, that is just a myth. But evolution and the Big Bang and all those things are real. So that's something that I talk about a lot, because it's so important to let children know what we've learned as adults now that you have to take the Bible literally and not to believe what man says because he's trying to steer you away from God. Yeah, exactly.
And I remember also that I talked a bit with the pastor of my church and we touched the flatter since he was like, well, I studied geography, so of course I don't believe flatter. He doesn't even try to think about it, like because he studied geography, you know. Yeah, that's the education system. And here in the States it's run by the Rockefellers,
and they are part of the problem that we deal with. They're the supporters of people like the United Nations and this globalist agenda that has been again since you know Nimrod in the Tower for Bible that they've bringing back the one World government. And now with all the technology they have, they're able to move it at an accelerated speed, and I cringe to see what the future brings. Now, I'll ask you this question too, because this is something
I wrestle with. We all know that in the end we'll have an eternity in heaven, right, But at the same time, we want to make things better for because you have children now and they're going to have children someday, so you want to try to leave a world for them where they can still be free and happy. So what are your thoughts on the future. Well, I think it's also a written Bible that it will get only worse.
Not very motivational speaker, but I think it's a given. I think we can do our best and educators and I think that yeah, we can take with us the like the more people, the best, the better. But but as for the world, I think it's doomed. Uh. Of course I don't know the God's time, and I don't know if this is just a sad like not a said, but but yeah, the dark ages again and then it will get better or this is already the beginning of the end. I don't know that part, but uh, I just I just
try to think in the family terms. I try to pray for my kids that they know God, and I feel like if they will know God, then they will be fine. They will know that they are boys, that they are not in the wrong body. No, all these things that are
happening right now. And yes, I think that's the main main focus for me because also with the conspiracies and everything, I am very passionate and I am willing to talk about it, but I always try to remind myself that the focus needs to be Jesus and God, and like the latter Earth shouldn't be my focus, but God should. That if I am very willing and very passionate to talk about conspiracies with friends, then I should have the same
passion talking about God. And that's something I'm struggling with because of course it's more interesting to talk about more lending fails and then they fails and failed compilation and show all these with you us. Of course it's more interesting and fun. But yeah, I'm just trying to remind myself that actually the point is
knowing Jesus and that's the only way. Also, my kids could be saved because my husband he has also older kids, The oldest one is eleven years old, and he is also saying to them that, Okay, when you go to school, just question this, ask that. And I'm pretty sure that they will grow up critical thinkers. But will they grow up believers? So I think, yeah, that's the that's the main point. Of course,
we do free will and everything. We can't make them believe and they know what is our belief, but by our our yeah, they can just watch what we are doing and do the same. And I think it's more chance that I will believe if we lead by example. Yeah, example,
that's the word I was looking for. Lead by example, absolutely, yeah, And what discussing this, I've learned that like God and Jesus should be the top of the umbrella, right, and then all the conspiracies kind of fall under that, and then at the bottom all of the rabbit holes connect to Satan. Literally, at the bottom of all these rabbit holes, whether it's vaccines or chemtrails, you know, are diluted history. It's it's Satan because he can't create, so what does he do? He he deceives and
he perverts. So that's really but you're right that we need to anytime we have these type of conversations with our friends, we should say, Like the first podcast I ever did was why the lie? It's to hide God? It's it's about to see Yeah, and actually that is the thought that I again from this podcast. It's also was new to flat Earth, and I thought, why, Okay, money is one thing that was the point.
My husband made these millions a day or don't remember the amount, but a lot of money every day for NASA and of course all that, but it just can't be it. And then yeah, when you name that on your podcast, I was like, Okay, again, the thing that makes sense for me that they're trying to hide God, and they have hidden God from
so many nominal Christians as well that could become real Christians. And there also, of course are plenty of real Christians that have Jesus in their hearts, but they they can't listen to you when you're talking about flat earth, of course, but yeah, I think it could be a bit individual because Holy
Spirit gives you the knowledge you're ready for. I think so. But at the same time, the amount of people that are putting fingers in their ears and saying la la, la, la la every time you mentioned something like that, Yeah, that's that's just sad. Yeah, really well done. Yeah, and going back to the fact that you mentioned in the Bible of States, I think it's two Timothy that says everyone who wants to live a
godly life in Jesus Christ will be persecuted. So we are told if we follow him that you're you're going to come under persecution, and I think it's only going to get worse as time, you know, goes forward. Yeah, I totally agree, but I think it's fine because it's said that it will be. So that's right, came into that and we're down to the last few minutes. So I did want to give you an opportunity. If there was anything that you wanted to chat about that you hadn't mentioned yet,
this would be the perfect time for you. I think I've said everything I have to say. I think it's very interesting to see how the world is connected on the co conspiracy world is connected, and how it doesn't matter where you live. When Jordan Peterson talks about Canada, I feel like he's talking about RIGA. And when you have some guests on you talk about stuff and they say that, oh, but people don't care, they're not interested in politics and so on. I feel like it's the same here. So yeah,
kind of big world but not so big. Yeah that especially now with the Internet exactly. Technology has made the world smaller. Yeah, exactly. And also if any like minded people are coming to let you can reach out to me. I really love to meet people from all around the world. I do also couch surfing, so yeah, you can reach out to me. I will give your email address to put in the show notes, so can't do that later awesome. Yeah, and we will have our email in
the show notes, so you can reach out. And what a pleasure it's been to chat with you. I've had a great conversation. I've learned a lot. I think the biggest takeaway is basically had the same conversation with you that I would have with someone here in the United States. It really goes
to show how small the world has become with technology. It's just amazing how everything was I hate to use the term, but everything was in lockstep during COVID, and you know it seems like everybody at the top is all connected. Yeah, it is, it really is. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on the twins, and God bless you and and your wonderful family. And thanks for taking the time out to join us today. Thank you and thank you for the work you're doing. This was
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