Episode 140: Flat Earth Conversation with Stephanie

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Yeah, it's good to meet you. Like I said before the podcast, we've been chatting, I think going back since the mid September, and it's great to have you on and present your journey to the Truth with the audience. So without any further ADO, please do introduce yourself to the audience. All right, Well, I'll do my best. I'm actually a little bit nervous here. I want to start by seeing two things. I've been questioning the globe birth since I was about five or six, and I can tell

a story about my experience with that. And the other thing I want to say is that my journeys to the flat Earth really followed two kind of trajectories. One where I feel that God just kept calling me close to him into the truth that's in his word. And also my own perception and knowledge about conspiracies and the state of the world and realizing like just the whole gamut of

falsehoods that were surrounded with every day. I feel like I was at a tensure maneuver where both of those things kind of came in around me and kind of brought me to this focal point where I'm so happy to be here. Why I think I have a better understanding of the truth and a pathway to keep learning that. Yeah, and for me, I think I had to understand all the lies of mankind and how flawed or history books were for me to even accept looking into flat earth when I realized, well, you know,

all of this is a lie. So maybe just maybe you know, spinning on a ball, maybe that's a lie too. So I had to kind of go down different rabbit holes in order for me to put down my guard to look into it. And everybody else, well a lot of people, I shouldn't say everybody else, but I went in. You know, let's either prove or to disprove it once and for all. And in the forefront of my mind it was to disprove it because of the psychological operations that

they use on us. Right, it's how silly. But when you you know, I've said this before, when you look at Akham's Razor and how helio centrism works versus a flat earth slash Biblical cosmology. One is just so much simpler of an explanation than the other, and one is certainly meant to confuse, right, oh, right on, right on, Yeah, the simplest answer. And again, like I was already questioning what I was experiencing the world and what people were telling me when I was very young, and

I'm so happy that I have that memory kind of is a benchmark. And I think I also have a story I can till you hear in just a moment about early on realizing that me were navigating in a world with two truths or you know, a different reality from truth. Actually, I can tell you now that I kind of have this outline of sort of my journey from like my young years through kind of where I finally kind of came to flat

Earth just in the last couple of years. But when I was a youngster, my family, I grew up in a Christian family, and so and

my parents did a great job. We had a devotional every morning. We actually chapter by chapter, read through the entire Bible a couple of times in my growing up years, so exposed to the Bible and those conversations, and we went to a little church and my mom was my Sunday school teacher, and she taught it all like in really great literal terms, like like all of it, like like the blood, the guts, like the promises,

the glory, the hope, all of it. So when I went to school and teachers started to tell me about dinosaurs and how they were from millions of years ago and they evolved and now they're extinct, and that already just didn't sit right with me. And I went home and talked with my parents about that, and the answer was, well, yeah, you know, they like to teach that that's what they think. That's what they think. So just like you know, plug in learn what they want you to learn.

You can tell them that you learned and understand what they think, but you know the truth, which is a really like, on one hand, that's a really nice, sort of level headed, dispassionate, good mom answer, But on the other hand, what a missed opportunity to you know, encourage me to think about what could I see at school to suggest to my teacher then maybe there's a different way or you know, just something to anchor

that and be like a stronger representative for truth instead of sort of just laying down and accepting like at the first interval, you know, the first time you encounter this disparity between what you know is truth and what you're being told in the world, it's like, just let it roll off your back, right, Like what if we all just didn't let it roll off our back, Like not like be a jerk about everything we disagree about, but just

stand up for truth. Let me ask you a question. Do you think how would you have said you were at the time when that happened, when he went home and told him about the dinosaurs and your parents said that's just what they believe. How old would you say you were? Oh, like

sick, sick? Quiet? So do you think And because I get a few people every now and then who say that like they've been able to kind of see the world how it is since they've been little, would you have been able to handle that if they sat you down and said, you know, And maybe they don't, I don't know if it's they didn't know where, but if they would have sat down and told you that, you know the world is full of deceit or history books, especially in the science side

of things, is a lot of lies in order to to you know, hide God from people. Is that something you think you could have processed at that age. Oh, I think it would have changed my debrain and it would have been amazing. Yeah, because I felt the whole time that when I was growing up, I had this weird feeling that I was on like the treiling margin of the like the good times of like this, like this like this goodness that wasn't gonna last. Like you know, I had siblings.

I was the oldest in my house, and so I would even hear and see what they were experiencing in school, and it was just a little bit different. And I had kind of this awareness already. And again we were at church all the time, as you're already hearing those messages about you know, to not be of the world too, you know, that were distinct, that were separate, that were called to to stinctification and in God, and and that we're gonna be different. I think I think, I

think I would have been a completely different person. I think than I would have gone like far further just in my ability to think and act like like now, I am so aware sometimes of that I'm not as good at thinking and problem solving and like working through things because I think It started when I was six, where it's like just let it roll out your back, like just kind of smooth the high points off of those different friction, those different

times when you account of friction between truth and reality all great points. And I know this is kind of out of left field, but I really noticed something over the past few days. I guess the longer you're quote unquote awake and see truth, that the more you pick up the minute details in which they put into place to divide us, because I always talk about the divide

and conquer scheme amongst us, but also again to keep focus away. And something happened the other day that really so you know, it's playoff football in the NFL now, and a guy missed a field goal, and the next day all anybody was talking about was how much they were mad about somebody who kicks a ball for a living, and they were sending death threats to a

guy who kicks a ball for a living. But and I said to people, you know, these people were a hundred times more angry about a football game than all the liberties that that were taken away from them during COVID. And it really just goes to show how misguided people are grown men, you know, who pay two hundred dollars to seat crying because they're football team lost. And again I'm not trying to ridicule anyone, and if you're passionate about

it, so be it. But my point is I really wish I would see the same emotions out of things that truly matter in life and things that are going to make a difference in your children and your grandchildren's lives as you do over a football game. Yeah, yes, oh absolutely. And that goes back to like what if we just all like had an ethic of standing up for truth, you know, like just like not telling the little white lie or not or asking the questions. Sometimes the truth is just a question.

It's not to reject something or go a different direction, but just to like uncover the whole story. You know, you feeled at something's being obscured from you. I was I was on a slight once and you know, like a whole bunch of strangers and you know, people mostly mind their own business, but two men were there. One of them was reading the sports

section and a man nearby kind of tapped him on the elbow. And if they had a really engaged, energetic conversation about what was happening in the sports

ball world, like they they just they really connected on it. They knew the people, they knew like the factors that were going on with you know, which players were strong or were not, and like so much energy, and my heart just aches to to be in a world and be around people where we can talk with that kind of energy and passion and an intuition about the Kingdom of Heaven, about the truth, about the truth full stop.

That would just be beautiful because all that sports, it's wonderful, it's entertaining, it's engaging, there's a personal connection, but it's kind of like nothing that's so sad. I agree. And I used to be the part of the wei, right the Eagles were my team, and that would be upset for days after Sunday, you know, they lost. I'd be upset till Wednesday, just allowing something, you know. And when they won the Super

Bowl seven years ago, whatever, I didn't get a ring. So the whole I realized maybe the whole me thing wasn't really you know, And again I think it's you know, sports so important to play children, you know, playing it and exercise and everything else is great. But I think, like you said, there is that particular thing just seeing grown people just enraged, but at the same time having your you know, closed churches and told

you're not essential. There wasn't this one tenth of the energy because of that, And that was just very I couldn't believe what I was seeing on social media for two days, and I mentioned that on my other podcast during an interview yesterday, just how we are so unfocused on what truly matters in this world. And I will tell you much of the reason is because we've never a lot of us, including some church folk who run churches, are more

worried about fitting in than standing by the word. And I see that a lot, and not just the church. I'm talking regular people like you and I who may be in a situation where an opportunity is afforded us to say something, but maybe because of the room we're in, or maybe we're at work or some we back off and we don't drop that nugget that we could have. So I agree with you. I think we should all and I'm

I'm talking to myself in the mirror here. We should be stronger in our convictions and maybe when those opportunities do arise, don't be so you know, worried about what other people think about our convictions and our beliefs. Yeah, yes, oh, I one hundred percent agree. I also I also think that, you know, I just wonder how much of the depression and like

just the mental pain that people are experiencing increasingly. I mean, you know, they talk about how so many people are on antidepressants and you know, things like that. I mean that goes back generations. There's people in our family who had, you know, just really grievous grief or depression or other

kind of mental illnesses that that beset them. And as I have learned now more about our history and how are even the United States and my lifetime and my parents or my in laws lifetime, I think a lot of our grief is us like battling it out internally, like below our consciousness of like we're seeing with our own eyes and ears exactly what's going on, and somehow we're convincing ourselves that it's okay, like just keep going, like just keep going

and punching the time club buck, like just you know, get the degree, buy the car, get the house, raise your kids, like check your boxes and those are the values and the big milestones, and those are all super good, good things, but they're sort of external, and they're the complete you know, neglect for so many people of really nurturing your spirit and being honest with yourself and making real decisions for yourself instead of just falling

through that cascade of checkboxes in the American lifestyle. I agree, and you know, once again, I love the people of this country. But as my journey to has grown and I've really understood the history of this country, we know the evil that runs at the very top levels of the government.

And again they use patriotism against us to send us our sons and daughters off to die in these wars that really, most of them, we have no just justification being a part of And again I don't want to turn this into a podcast that's not but at the same time that there's either there's right and wrong, and if you know, if we're on the wrong side of history, we should point it out and it should be taught because if our children

don't learn true history, they're going to keep going down the same road. Nothing changes if we hold these things inside, which basically you summed up perfectly is you know, we keep the fight inside, and that's not fixing anything. It actually makes things worse because, like you said, it stresses us out. People go to the doctor that prescribed drugs and they're numbed and they're right back into the comato state where they're not thinking yeah, yes. And

it's hard our brains, you know, we are creatures of habit. Our brain likes to think in patterns, we like to act in like have our days in patterns. It's hard. It's hard to break those patterns. And if you're in a really fulfilled, rich life and you you know, really do have a good sense of honesty an initiative in your life, it's very

hard to change habits and patterns. So, you know, if you've been anesthetized where you know, you work, you scroll your phone, you know, you pay your credit card bill, do it all again, it's hard to get out of that pattern. It's hard to even see that there might be something different, which which I think you often on your podcast will ask people like, how like have you brought anybody into an understanding of the flat

earth or biblical cosmology? And I think that would just be a wonderful accomplishment for people who have done that and are able to do that. But I think when I reflect on my life, I got there because like just these different moments where somehow like I had the wherewithal to observe and notice something true.

Right, And it only took a few of those. But I'm fifty, so it took a long time for those to collectively like help me like more fully open my eyes and see things like even bigger than any of those individual pans on their own. So I think just being an encouragement, maybe maybe I'll never condense somebody of biblical cosmology, but I can encourage them just validate when they ask me like, hey, are you seeing this? Well, heck, yeah, I'm seeing it. That's exactly what's going on,

right. That can be enough in that moment to set that person up to adopt and see the truth in other situations down the line when I may not be a part of the picture at all. Agreed, I couldn't agree with you more. And there are people who again I have family members who are starting to understand the world is not you know, maybe just asn't as it's

portrayed on the TV. And again, I think it goes back to twenty twenty and the election and the Summer of Love and people standing in front of a burning building saying it's mostly peaceful protests because you're seeing what's going on, but the powers that be are telling you something completely different. And and again I say, even the normalist of normies are starting to see maybe there's something you know deeper to what's going on. And that's what I try any time

I replied to an email or I talk to someone locally. Right, it's not that I wear a tinfoil a hat. And I believe in UFO because when people, you know, when they hear about truthers, of course you're a conspiracy theorist, they picture someone who has tenfoil a hat, and you know, just again what they portray on TV, the crazy conspiracy conspiracy theorist

guy. But if you when you're talking to folks, if you can help set them up with a bigger picture and the why not just I believe this, you know, I believe that you know, this is what really happened to Kennedy. But if you lay out the bigger picture, you know, like this podcast, the first episode was why the Lie? And I think that's important to include anything when you try to, you know, set something up for someone, you have to explain the reasoning behind it, not just

what you believe. Oh, I agree. And you know, at one point my my husband and I were having a conversation about some social or political matter and he shared a Tom Soell quote. This says, you get more of what you pay for or more of what you sumpsidize, which is really

smart. And then I think, you know, like other people, maybe I don't know that I could attribute the quote, but you know, when you see a particular situation, like follow the money and look to see who benefits, that's such an easy way with like everybody knows there's somebody who's calling the shots when it comes to the finances or the balance sheet, whether it's corporate or political or whatever. That's a really non threatening way to just be

like who do you think is benety here? Or do you really think? Do you really think here's the here's one who really would like get up out of their house and go burn things down if they weren't incentivized to go do that, Like do we all need to go like to work and get money to put gas in our car and make the mortgage payment? And you know, pick our kids up from school or be in a family birthday party somewhere, like, how do we like spontaneously get all these people and who are

going to go in and do these things? It's probably not spontaneous, no, no, one hundred percent. They're incentivized. And there's many people who did podcast and YouTube videos on people who were involved in Portland and Saint Louis where they were getting these prepaid debit cards and of course they were promised that they would be let out of jail within an hour. Most people I would keep an eye on the uh. I forget the name of the county in

Portland or the sheriff's office there. People would be in and out no time. You would see their picture and then they they'd be out on bail. So all of this, none of it was organic. And I've said this a million times. There's not much in our society that is organic. Everything

is planned. And listen, if folks are looking for a fresh rabbit, hold to go down the Carlisle group, who was very much responsible for the Iraq War and who made millions off of that, or very much behind the Taylor Swift and her boyfriend, the football guy and all you know Taylor Swift in itself is you know, a strong independent woman, no children and has

a lot of sway amongst the youth of our country. And then they have her connect with this guy who was all about Pfizer paid this guy twenty million dollars to do a commercial, right, So everything there's a nefarious agenda with all of these things, and most of it is Listen, if you can get the mind of the youth, you're winning the battle. If you're allowing outside entities to mold the mind of your children, weren't big try and that

is happening with these type of things. Oh it is, you know, my children are grown, and so I'm a little bit out of those circles. I was at church and heard one of the mother's remarking that, like the big reward treat in her family right now as some particular sports drink. And it was only because they saw like a commercial of a particular figure somebody

like drinking or advocating for that product, like just just like that. And this boy, who was happy with you know, whatever was being served previously, really thought that it was just the best thing ever to have this particular drink now like just instantaneous. I am, I was, I had uh was following somebody on social media during the con and she had a small though so a little bit of an influencer, not not super huge, which I

think is actually significant here. But she shared with her followers that she'd been approached by the Department of Public Health at her state where she lived, asking her to, you know, just work in some content and post to encourage

people to mask up, to continue to distance. I don't know if that was after the shots were available or not, but really like looking to see if they couldn't influence her to help be a spokesperson without disclosure to her followers to urge them to conform to those mandates, which I just am so appreciative of her passing that along and being transparent about it, because that really helps

you to again be resolved in the truth that you see. You know, like it can be really wearing that was years of that circus and you can get worn down and feel like maybe I should just yield, maybe I need to do these things or see it a different way, and those little pieces of information just it helped my husband and I to stay confident in resisting a

lot of that. So, yeah, that was bold of her to not only say no, but to actually let her audience know that that happened because a lot of people, like a guy who I interviewed, I feel bad. I can't master Sergeant Jeremy Brown. You know, the FBI showed up to his house a month before January sixth, and he recorded them on the zoom audio or the not zoom the ring and when he went forward, they

came after him. So kudos to her to exposing it, and hopefully she didn't really have to deal with any lashback from the people who trying to get her to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so appreciative of it. I also think he made a comment about like how so many things around us aren't even real, like like you were sharing like the riots or

other things. But I mean that's really been on my mind a lot to focus on, like what are the the genuine, real human moments that I can be cultivating and cherishing in my life because you know, I work remote online, so you know I'm in a computer all the time and not out

Like I love hearing about your homestead. We just moved in. We'll have a garden in a chicken or two, but not a homestead in the sense of in that sense of the word, but you know, cultivating like thinking an independent thought, like not just consuming a podcast or a video, but reading or even like just being intentionally kind of still, you know, going without having to talk or read or even be planning anything, just to see

you know, like like what am I capable of thinking? You know, I think we're in a cycle where we're just moving to the next thing. Or you have an idea like we're going to build a little chicken coop, and you can think about a chicken coop and in like half a second have your phone out looking up like where to buy one or how to make one, or what are the best characteristics of one? Like why not just sit down and like wonder about it a little bit, you know, like I

just think there's something beautiful about that. Or you know, we had neighbors and we actually moved into a great neighborhood. Go talk across the fence. I feel about their chicken crew, you know, but just to be genuine and real and to filter, you know, as much of that artificial stuff out of our lives as we shun. Yeah, that's such a great point because I used to anytime I try to walk whenever I can, and I

would always have earbuds in maybe music, maybe a podcast. But I've made it a point to nothing, just walk and enjoy nature and to think and process things, because it's a great point. If you don't give yourself time to process things that you've digested during the day, whether it be videos or podcasts or radio or something like that, you need to take the time to

think and digest and make your own opinions and your own decisions. And that is such an important point that you do need that solace away from the constant. You know, whenever you're listening to something, your mind is taking it and processing it. It's important to have your own quiet time to think about things and you know the things you have heard. Does this make sense? Does this not make sense? Instead of NonStop input, right, you have

to process the input at some point, right. Absolutely. I also think that in my family, for myself and with my husband, when I look back over the last ten years ago, I really see God and the Holy Spirit moving in our lives where we were just increasingly convicted to look at particular things in our lives or even change churches or you know, whatever it might have been. But you have to you have to have that quietness or that

moment to allow that conviction to really move you. Otherwise it's just a fleeting thought, you know, like to know what was I going to say? I forgot what I was going to say, and it's gone right missed that. You missed that opportunity, And so there's benefits to that that come you know from outside of you are an opportunity to tap into something I think much greater than you. If you're if you're able to do that, really well

done. I did want to ask you some questions regarding your flatters, because I believe you'd already mentioned that it is something that you considered at a very young age. You questioned the fact that we're on a spinning ball and as a youth you were, You're outside experimenting, jumping into the air as high as you could and leaving lines to see where you landed and things. And I did the same thing. I would be on a boat and uh, I would jump up land it the same thing, right and all those things.

But you put you and same with me. You know, my teacher did the bucket spun it around, said that's gravity. And I even called him out and said, well that's gravity. Let's spind the bucket around and see if it holds the water. But then, like everything else, it just goes awry. And it took Geeze probably another forty years for me to really think about it again. How was your journey from you know, from

a young age and to when you really readdressed it again? Well, I think that there were those moments where you know, you learn from your parents or Sunday school or you know wherever that that source of truth and richness is

when you're very young. And I'm happy to have remembered those times. I can still remember the rinky thing like sham Art flip flops were like the little like toe thing is like the little weird cheap connector like total redeating and like jumping up and really expecting to land on the other side of that little like

dividing light it's in your concrete sidewalk or drivewaars thing. But just remembering like then it didn't seem right again, like that moment where like you can stop and think it for a minute where your brain can really retain it instead of just letting it roll off, roll off your back. I do think I really betted it. Also from growing up in a Christian home, so that

you know, there were other experiences just observing the world around me. I remember coming home one night and you lived just far without in the country.

I grew up in Wyoming, so the skies are pretty dark, and one night getting out of my car and looking up and like almost being like thrown back, like physically astonished by just how velvety dark the sky was and how beautiful the stars, like just the dimensional the differences in brightness and the number of them, and just thinking, like I actually wrote a thing like for school about us, you know, at a point later where it really seemed

like I could reach up like it was close, like that I could reach out and feel that velbony sky, or did have a plane flying overhead with somehow like interfere with the stars, like hanging right where they were, Like it just seems so close. So I had kind of experiences like that and then and then didn't really think too much war from like a physical like earth

perspective until I started to travel for work and I would fly. I mean, now I live in the Central time Zone and I would fly to the Eastern time zone, and it was sort of like the same thing where I was a kid in those kmart flip flops, because I would get on this

plane and I'd fly and it was awesome. Like the flights and the timing were so good for traveling for work, right because you leave at one time and you get in it's still kind of perfect to get in and go to work and then coming home again, like perfect timing, like you're kind of leading to the end of your work day, but you gain that hour coming back to the Central time zone. But it's like complicated. You're looking at your ticket and it's not really evident, like your flight duration is it the

same? Is it not the same? And then there's like the jet stream, like shouldn't I be going like way way faster in one direction or the other, or like like shouldn't if the Earth is rotating it be like a little bit shorter, Like but I'd be preoccupied with work and like whatever. But I would have this like little thought that I wouldn't like work out entirely every time I got in the plane and flew out, So that kind of

brought it. That kind of brought it back into my mind where I think it set me up to be receptive for a couple of other things that I saw on TV or encountered after that. But yeah, kind of funny. I never even realized it was kind of the same as like being a kid jumping over a green. Yeah. That's a great point too that I don't even know if we've ever mentioned it. That you know, the Earth, according to the science moves counterclockwise at one thousand and forty miles per hour.

So when we're flying from Philly to Chicago, I should get there really quick because I'm going west to east and the world's been in east. But here come the emails, Will chors. You don't understand because the plane is still in the grasp of great You know, it's just nonsense. And it goes back to what you said at the beginning of the podcast. We see things, but our brain is so easily manipulated by those who want to manipulate us that you know, I'm holding this pen in my hand, and you know

I can see that the pen is white. But you know, Neil de grass Tyson has telling me no, George, because of the refraction and the way you're holding it. It's actually a light blue. Okay, Neil, You're right, it's light blue. I mean that's really where we're at with helio centrism. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I also think that there's like a certain amount of like, like our culture right now really seems

to like not value like considered thoughts or reflection or thinking. It's like we're a real kind of we seem really wired for fun, for fun, and like I don't have the etymology for the word fun right in front of me, but I feel like that word originally was a little bit derogatory. I can tell you that word nice, which again, like we're all urged to be nice, right, Like, that wasn't nice. It's not nice to speak up and tell somebody that you don't think that you should have to wear

a mask. It's not nice to, you know whatever, stand up for truth. The word nice is actually the etymology of that is like vacuous and empty headed. So like, I feel like the whole value system of our society right now is kind of like nice and fun, which like is fundamentally kind of empty. That's great, excuse me, So I looked them up. While you're talking the etymology of fun Originally, its origin was from the sixteen hundreds and it was to make a full love or to be a fool.

And then as it kind of evolved in the seventeen hundreds, it was to cheat or hoax and that was late seventeenth centuries. And then here we are, let's have fun, right And then you said nice, this goes back. It doesn't say how far it goes back. Maybe it does not missing it, but it means to not know or to be ignorant. Yeah. Yeah, so me, maybe I don't want to be nice or fun. Yeah, there you go. Folks that'll that'll learn, that'll that'll that'll

shrink your circle of friends pretty fast. Yeah, And what does it mean to be nice? Like we can be kind to others? What does it mean to be nice? Though? That does being nice mean that maybe we shouldn't say things, Maybe we shouldn't speak truth because it'll break somebody's little uh

biosphere of belief? Yeah yeah, well I mean I felt this. You know when you raise up your kids, like you know, you have those those chores Saturdays, like whether it's like the big weekend to go get the leaves out of the yard or or maybe to do you know, deep cleaning, spring cleaning or something, and and man, our children would just act

sometimes like we were physically killing them. And I and I realized that my husband and I needed to do work to show the value of just getting out there and like taking care of our home and our things, and you know, framing it is a love act, you know, for each other. You know, this is what makes our home comfortable and safe and in all

of those things. Because like the children really felt like, well, we're not having fun here, so something something's terribly wrong, right, And and that's that's just an opportunity to help like teach about better values right to speakings a little bit differently. And I think that I think that that's happening in an order of magnitude all around us. Like if we aren't nice, like if we don't bite our tongue and not make a suggestion or an assertion,

then we're interfering with somebody's fun. And so the whole system has broken down, which is just so sad. Like maybe like maybe think about why the comment made you so upset, and think about if you should let it make you so upset. You don't even have to agree, right, like like just like sit with that and let it, let it make you a little bit uncomfortable for a minute, and see what might happen to you. You

might actually find out something really interesting about yourself. Great point. And by being nice and the origin of the word of being nice, it's probably why we're in the situation we are as a society today. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So what were some other things that I noticed? I'm just looking through my through my notes here. The flights were a big thing, but then there were these other I think you had mentioned kem trails too,

right, yeah, yeah, well that came. That came, but that was something that I could observe kind of in the physical like world around me. So after I had I want to tell you kind of I came to considering our cosmology really through a Bible study. I had somebody in our we have a small group home Bible study that we go to and one week the

devotional was about, well, why did Jesus come to this earth? And I like to think I'm kind of smart, So I had a lot of my is about like why Andy cooms he can save the lives, you know, to to like sacrifice his life for us for forgiveness of our sins, and he did. But those things, those are true things. But there's a verse in Luke chapter four that it says, I have to preach the Kingdom. I have to preach the gospel of the Kingdom. That's the reason

I was sent. And I thought the Kingdom, like, I don't know where you have gone to church. I went to church like every time the doors were opened my whole young adult life and quite a bit as an adult with my own family and with my husband. I never really heard lessons or preaching about the Kingdom of Heaven. Just the parables, but like the big,

big picture about the Kingdom of Heaven. But you know, on that great day when Jesus returns, he's going to resurface the face of the earth, and then the Kingdom is going to come to earth and it's going to be here physically, physically present. And I hit the Google and was like looking for like more studies and more information and more context about the Kingdom.

And I found a YouTube channel, interestingly titled Kingdom in Context. This is a person who just really wants to teach the scriptures contextually so that you know, we can use the Bible to interpret itself and help us to find the truths. So really amazing lessons about the Kingdom that Tamils been active for a while. In the very earliest presentations he did low technology, still learning and

getting comfortable in front of a camera on YouTube. Just amazing teaching, really fantastic, And they have a couple of partnerships, so you can't really talk about you know, that Great Day and the Kingdom on Earth without talking about cosmology, so it kind of would come up in the studies anyway. That channel has a partnership with another one, West Blaze Music, and they have

a series called Uncommon Ground. They found like two full series of all scripturally based videos about Biblical cosmology and debunking NASA and sharing the results of studies and experiments and things that if people have done. And Wes Blaze is amazing, like the level of production and the graphics and the way he finds on that

media and so the sizes it is amazing. So kind of one thing led to another from this idea that was mentioned in a Bible study and studying that further and realizing that Biblical cosmology was one of the outcomes of that realization. That's great and by the way, Luke four verse forty three says, but he said I must proclaim the good news of the Kingdom of God to the other towns also because that is why I was sent. That's Luke for forty

three. And then I did find the Kingdom of I'm sorry, Kingdom in contexts. They have almost a thousand videos, which is mind blowing. And there's a Facebook link in there as well if you're a facebooker, and I'll put that in the show notes. He actually our friends Josh from the Founded Earth Brothers. He did something with him recently and one of his more popular videos was the reaction from the flat Earth debate, which I still get tons

of emails on and I think you messaged about it as well. Yeah, you know, I just I don't even know what to think about that. I don't know, I don't know where that came from. You know that almost that almost brings me back to what we talked about a second ago, about like who was incentivized or who benefited from that. Because I'll tell you this, I came across another really fantastic preacher whose starmons are posted on the internet. I mean, straight talking about the state of the world about you

know, godly manhood, godly womanhood, fantastic preaching. But he will regularly in certain comments about like these are the most important things, these topics that he's preaching on, and we don't need to get tied it up into flat earth or a couple of other things, but he'll mention flat earth all the time. And he actually referenced that debate. Oh the names of those two preachers, that's going to escape me right now, but he'll reference that debate.

Is like, why even fool with this when it's obviously so divisive looking at this debate, which is just heartbreaking, and I just I feel so sad that that's the banner for like preachers being open and willing to talk about it and it being just such a terrible, like reflection on humanity in general. I couldn't agree more. And that was a d noodle who we had

on episode eighty five maybe. And then Astor greg Locke, who a lot of people grew to admire during COVID because he was that guy who wouldn't close his doors. But you know, he's had some interesting things happen. And again, you're right, I was shocked. I'd spent four hours that night watching it and the way it all dissolved and hearing a pastor say, you know, if you believe this, don't come back to my church. It was super divisive, and I get emails all the time, Hey, I'm

a glober and I want to come on and debate you. And I will say and I'll tell all the people, now, this is not a debate for him. That's not what this podcast about. This is more about a community of people who are like minded. Obviously, I bring people on from all backgrounds and beliefs. Not everybody have come on has been a Christian, and that's not a prerequisite for coming on the program. However, I'm not going to sit here and argue because of the fact I use that as a

prime example. Look what happens. It becomes destructive and divis about that. I refuse to have that in this community. Yeah, oh I I and I just think that your approach is just is just really really wonderful. I think that a part of getting to this point. I think for most of the people who I listened to on your podcast, like we kind of get pulled through a lot of mud, right, a lot of realization about other conspiracies about a lot of other things that are broken in the world, and

so kind of getting to this point like in one. On one hand, it's really liberating, and then for a while I was like I have to keep digging, like what else? What else is behind this one? Like what what else is there that uncover? And so I listened to your other podcasts quite a bit, or you know, other presenters with similar content, and I've gotten to a point where I've had my fill. I think we know that this is a falling world. We know that the people in charge

have a very calculated, long running agenda. But I think the most important thing is to live our lives right. Like the more time that we spend like put letting them into our heads that comes at the trade off of like building the chicken coup or having the conversation or the quiet moment. But the way that you conduct this podcast and just the warmth of fellowship, even though it's just yourself in one person at a time, you're building a community and

it's so encouraging to come in here and listen to that. So that's really really high remarks and well done to you as you say well done you that

you conduct that so well. Well, I appreciate that, and again, really kudos to all the people who have come on like yourself and has opened themselves up to you know, a worldwide audience and you know said, this is kind of what I believe, and I think it's really important because, you know, one of the common narratives amongst all my interviews is the fact that there's no there's not a whole lot of like minded people nearby right in your community. But when you hear the stories, you're like, ha,

that that's that's what I think. And then you understand there's there's a lot of like minded people out there, even though the powers that be would like you to think that you're now you're just you're the oddball because you didn't trust

the science or whatever the reason is. There's tons of people out there and growing by the day, and just the you know, I'm not saying that the home school growth directly reflects, you know, kind of the truth movement, et cetera, but I mean it went from less than three percent to

over eight percent that the homeschooling education in just three years. So I do think there's people who are starting to say, hmmm, you know, you know, maybe mom and Dad peaked in on that Zoom class back in twenty twenty and saw was being taught and they realized that the Rockefeller education system may

not be for their children. Yeah. Yeah, well, and that's kind of We've had that experience in other situations we went through again, you know, and our families we all go through, like some hard times and of course the really good times too, And we went through a couple of really trying Perians and I just suffer through some illness with our children, and it can be kind of tempting to guard that because it's vulnerable and upsetting and scary,

and there were some elements of it that just didn't seem like nice or pleasant to share openly. But every time I would be candid or transparent with somebody about what we were experiencing, without fail, the answer would be, oh goodness, my niece is having that same issue, or you know, our family experienced that, We came through it and are enjoying being restored to

wellness, you know at this point. So I think being vulnerable and being real always will will lend itself to to rewards and connection at that human level. It's always worth it one hundred percent. You mentioned one of your emails as well, somatics, and we've had a few people talk kind of about cimetics and what it means. Well, what you mentioned, are you talking about maybe how the vibrations and sound waves are used against us or were you

looking at it from a different angle. Oh, well, I definitely believe that that energy and that technology can be used is a controlling mechanism, you know, by buying the military or the powers that be. But you know, I heard somebody, uh, I wish I could attribute this. Some of the made a remark once that when Jesus spent the five thousand, if

you think about the sheer amount of physical energy. I'm not very smart about energy, but like watts or chilla jewels or whatever it is, like the sheer amount of energy to do that was like astonishing, and it kind of shook me in a way, like I think that when you grow up hearing the Bible, they almost become like the Bible stories instead of the reality of our world, like it it's truth. And that led me to start to think about, you know, there's other amazing miracles like the water being turned

into wine. That's time and place, I mean, and again like just

the energy like kind of astonishing. And I had these thoughts in my mind and came across the video that shows simatics and how sound you know, like people put sand on a speaker or something and they can make different shapes and and they can use different media where you can even see three dimensional shapes and you start to notice how they look so similar to shapes that we see in nature, and it just knocked my socks off, like, without without kind

of prompting from the particular video that I was watching, I just knew, like you know, in the beginning, God created right like it was his voice. Like that makes total sense to me, you know, like seeing it just even on that small scale like somebody that's messy, like you know,

craft room or garage and they're just doing this simatic experience experiment. But even at that skill, it's like, wow, there's really something here, like like we are far more special and elegant and so definitely created, like like it just like just lent itself to so much clarity there. I also I also I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, you're good. I was just going to say what a great point that was,

and for people who don't think that they have this technology. I'm going to put in the show notes something we had in the military we used in Iraq, not me. I didn't use it, but we are. Unit was signed for it. And it's something called an l RAD long rage audio device or something like that. And they could turn it on and just through the sounds the frequencies, it would chase people away like it's it's legit, it's not a joke. And that's just the technology that we have. Imagine the

stuff that we don't know about. And I also think a lot of things that they put on the market and they put in our hands also numb our senses that maybe that was not inhibited, maybe even just a few hundred years ago. Oh absolutely. And actually I picked up this book called The Invisible Rainbow. It's a book about the history of electricity and the impacts on humans

on our health. And for hundreds of years, hundreds of years, as soon as they could produce and control electricity, they were studying what happened if they just put a little volta of something something on a person in different points on their body, their tongue, their ear, their eye is different things. It's incredibly well understood the impact of electricity on human physiology. I would encourage anybody who even has a passing interest. It's a super readable book.

And even if all you get into is like the first hundred pages, like just it's fascinating and illuminating and a little bit sobering what we have surrounded ourselves, within our houses and our towns, everywhere all around us this force and it can be so good, like I loved having a light switch in my house, but definitely get a trade off, a huge treade off. And

I think that they maybe have gotten it so comfortable that we are. That's one of the weapons that they used against us, because if you've really take the time and sit down and look how our country have been pillaged over the last certainly one and twenty years, and as many times as our freedoms have been infringed on, a lot of this stuff wouldn't have flown back in that time. But our lives are so comfortable now. I think people just aren't

willing to again. Like you said, going back to Portland in Saint Louis, people had to be obviously, if you're going to do it, you're going to do it for money. It's not a very natural, organic type of thing. Many of the people we saw this weekend in brown khakis and masks were obviously probably Feds. It's too you know, to set a narrative. So again, like you said, it is it is a trade off. Like you know, we have our temperature set at sixty eight degrees,

so the house is always that temperature plus or minus one degree. We don't have to build fires. But I think a lot of people if a major event does happen between now or say twenty thirty, there's a lot of people who maybe have never had to endure any real type of difficulties, just simple things like having to start a fire, cook your own food, things like that that are really going to struggle. And I don't mean to be a

fearmonger. I want people to live their lives, but at the same time, you know, having to take away the base, sick human elements of what we do here, right, like what people did to survive for thousands of years has been lost. Yeah, yes, and I think about that too, Like I think you had a guest on not too long ago who made the remark that freedom isn't easy, And I think we have to be

willing to be uncomfortable. I think we have to be willing to be mentally uncomfortable and physically uncomfortable to to to really even be, you know, candidates for living in in the true sense of freedom. Right like if if again, if we're going to defer into flex the truth, because if I see something, I might get fired, see something about this mask, I might get fired, and then my house is no longer going to be sixty eight degrees. Yeah, that's that's hard, that's hard to weigh. But but

freedom just isn't easy. Now, it's not that means actually being responsible for education for all the people who do wrong in your community. It's the burden on you to take care of them, not just to send them off to an institution and they're forgotten about. It's a long line of things that speaking of, Like I'm taking the ear plugs out of your ear and thinking, just sit back and think what it really means for me, would be giving

up my pension right and no social security. I mean true freedom, having to provide your own food, your heat. But in the same sense, what you get back is community. I guarantee you within a week you'll know everybody's name on the street. I guarantee it. You got sugar, Yeah, yes you have. You have flower Let's bart brother, right, that's

what happened. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, for there was a short period of time where we had to use on launder behal we are are always being worked on. And I made so many acquaintances just by being the person there who was not plugged into a phone, Like if you just look like you're alert and available for conversation, had the best interactions, you know, people just volunteering things about themselves, questions they had on their

mind, stuff that was frustrating them, Like like just phenomenal. But we have to get out of our little bubbles and be out there. And I would not characterize having to use a laundromat as being uncomfortable or terribly inconvenienced, but it is when you compare it to just running down to the basement and

starting a little wa wash. But you know, it's good, it is, and it brings back that human connection because so many of us, even post COVID, you know, have like here in Delaware, normally they would send them the children to school two hours later or whatever. They just said, Ah, we're going to I forget what they call it, a remote day, So the children they had two days of remote learning from school.

And then's this Sunday, which was three days after the snowstorm. And again, folks, I know sometimes I come off like sounding like I beat up the church and stuff. Please I don't, but all of the churches around us they all used the same quote. It was out of an abundance of caution. And it was three days after the snowstorm, and I had copheaded. I'm sure it made them angry, but I put that Satan does he you know, he never takes a day off for inclement weather, So to

make sure you pray every day. And that's that's just a fact. And honestly, I was going to go to a Trinity Methodist church, which is about, I don't know, ten minutes away from me, but I didn't have the opportunity because it closed and he ended up just doing like a ten minute video online. And it's just like, you know, man, this is more of a time than ever that we need leaders in those posies. I mean leaders. I mean obviously you want them doctrinally sound, but man,

be leader, lead from the front. Yeah, you know, let me tell you about out a church that did a phenomenal job standing up to the tyranny. This is Grace Community Church in California, where John MacArthur is the the primary preacher. This was in California and they went toe to toe with the governor there and prevailed. And he has a really great blog post

that explains their position. That's just phenomenal. And they've made a documentary about it, which I have not watched, but really just just phenomenal on how they did that. I realized I didn't tell you about Kem Trails. So let me tell you when I realized about Kem Trails, because I don't think

I've heard anybody on your podcast mention this. I was really rolling around the cosmology in my mind and I'm like, not sure it matters, and I'm still kind of like if I really think this is real, itit's kind of weird, like like I was kind of looking for something compelling, like like let me observe this in my own way. And I live in the Midwest.

I have actually been around Lake Michigan and able to live across and see in the Chicago skyline, and so I guess maybe I was kind of like looking for something a little bit more, and you know, of course they spray. This guy's like nobody's business. And every once in a while you catch a plane that's coming right at you or is going directly away from you

your point of view, towards the horizon. And when they're doing that, they look like they're going straight up into the sky or straight down, just like the sun right and we know, like in the biblical cosmology, the sun is not going up, it's going around. And I know that plane is not flying infinitely up it up, up, up into the sky indefinitely, that that's an illusion. That's the way I'm perceiving it because of how

it's coming straight over me from my perspective. And that was like I looked at chemtrails a lot, like we were doing a bunch of road trips at the time in the car, a bunch, and there was a point where it's like, that's what's happening, that's it. It's really flat, that's that's how it is. And then and then I was I was okay to go, so I'd share that because again I haven't heard anybody notice that about the chemtrails, and they don't all appear that way. It's just like when

you have that particular perspective that is interesting. And have you noticed specifically most are I'm sorry, I would say it started maybe the week before Christmas. Have you noticed, say, the last six weeks in your area and uptick of these chemtrails. Oh, it's outrageous. We we we've just kind of done a couple of the moves. We relocated and rented for a little while

and moved again. And so that first move we kind of always saw them spring like that location, it seemed like it was they were laying it down pretty consistently. And then we moved and I was enjoying just like beautiful like pretty clear skies and good natural clouds, and then like you said in December, like just laying it down so thick, Like you go out and count like more than twenty trails in the sky at a time, and more train and more planes, you know, crossing through the sky at the same time.

Yeah, we dealt with the same thing. And shortly after Christmas is when a lot of people started getting this cough and cold likes. It wasn't a flu, certainly, but a lot of cough and cold and it's just pure evil. And by the way, before I forget, because I will forget, what was the name of that church in California that you had mentioned that stood up to go Yeah, great. I think it's called Grace Community Church. That the website is It's Grace to You g t y dot org.

And there's really there's great resources there to listen to sermons or read sermons or or other things too. Oh, I found it g t y dot com. John MacArthur the guy's name, Yes, found it. Thank you, And you know, I want to mention the church in Mia. It's an hour north from here, by fair Wind's Baptist Church. Their pastor is a young pastor at mid thirties, does a tremendous job, never closes,

stood up to They have a private school. It's church in private school as well, and they stood up to COVID against our governor and even in his latest I watch them online. It's about an hour drive north. It's not horrible, but when my wife works, I can't make it. But he spoke about Pharmakia and I've never heard a local minister talk about Pharma Kia, and I was just there are people you just got in some cases you got to work really hard, but there are good folks out there. What was

the other question I wanted to ask you MutS. You had mentioned mutt slides in Mount Saint Helens. Yeah, so kind of at the same time frame that I was coming across these videos, like I saw that video about cimatics, and I felt like that just gave me like this new perspective on energy and sound and form and and it's like this scroll your phone and you come

across the strangest things. But saw a video of like a high ravine collapsing after heavy after heavy rain, and just seeing the power of the earth and moving like that and that erosion, and again just realizing like the magnitude of this place where we live, like what it is, but also appreciating that, you know, things don't erode uniformly, like you if you drive around out west, like you're by the Grand Canyon or something, and like you

know that like a mudslide looks like this certain way, like you see it, you know, personally or in a video, and then there's miles and miles and miles of this canyon and it also winds up perfectly from one side to the next. There's no, there's no like the windward side, you know, got a hard storm and torn up and looks, you know, significantly different, or it's still got all that unif kind of uniform appearance, and it just doesn't seem to stand up to like the millions of years timeline.

And I thought awestruck was just the amount of power in that that collapsing riverbank, you know, that pretty large mudslide, and and then I it's funny how you come across things in the right sequence. There's a presenter on the Answers in Genesis website called Kurt Wise. He's pretty cool, like he's enjoyable. He just really loves what he does, and he's really enjoyable to

listen to. And he shared how after Mount Seeing Helen's erupted and you know, the entire mountain side was remodeled from from that in the fat of the ash and everything, and a couple of years later, a snow melt broke kind of through an ice dam or through some of that geology they had been laid down, and in less than a day they had a massive canyon that

looked smaller scale obviously, but looked just like the Grand Canyon. I needed a job of presenting that and talking about that timeline and what happened in Mount Saint Helens and how that you know, we can look at that is a way and then scale it up to these other great features like the Grand Canyon or you know, or other geology that could very reasonably have been laid down in the flood or in you know, events following the flood. Is the

water and the earth all kind of rebalanced and recalibrated. That is interesting, And again there's so many questions we have, and it goes back to, you know, so much of our history is lies, going all the way back to I believe the Pyramids. So much our history has been distorted ahead it's so hard to to seek the truth. Luckily, like you know, we mentioned, we have the Bible that is the one doctrine we can always

go back to and it never fools us. But there's so much you know that was it called the Devil's Hill or something that looks like a few of our listeners had mentioned a giant tree that was cut down so many Devil's Tower, thank you, thank you, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's other places too. There's a couple of people who do really neat work looking

at lighter and old structures and things. There's a guy in the UK, Pulk, who does really phenomenal work, not so much looking at you know, things that may have been look as though they could have been trees, you know, in another time, but just exposing insights into some of the structures and the geography that we see around. He's a pretty fascinating guy.

I wish that he was not such a long form presenter, or that he would break up some of those long form presentations into some of the really good nuggets. Good nugs as he calls them. It is in is a UK accent, because he just like, here's an example in Malta. There must have been a PBS documentary. I knew about this, the cart ruts in Malta. There on the island, there's these channels and treks and they sort of look like what the electric rail car trails in San Francisco late look like.

Like they're parallel, and they crisscross and they go here and there and everywhere. And people always said they were cart ruts. And I don't know you've ever had to pull a wagon or push a cart, but if I had to push a cart and terrain it had all those ruds, I wouldn't be able to go anywhere. No, right, Like it's so deeply redded and they cross so much like it would be worse terrain to try to use that than to just go find like some level ground. Uh. Paul does

some analysis. He has a background in I don't know if it's plumbing or electric, but he thinks that it might have actually been like very old utility channels. Really, our utility lines were whether the transportation of water or energy to to the society that was there a long time ago. That's interesting. Well you're it broke up a little bit when you said his last name Paul.

What was his last name? Uh Cook? Like see oh okay, yes, yes, yeah, uh wrong, keyboard Okay, there he is he was, Yeah, and they actually asked him to leave Malta really because the work that he was doing there and kind of exploring and investigating and doing

different things so interesting. But it's encouraging. There's people out there who, you know, I have a particular skill or just an eye to see things in a particular way, and you know, like he doesn't by any measure, have like some complete alternate story, you know, that could be like the definitive alternative truth, but he sees compelling evidence that things are definitely different

from how the mainstream history historical narrative conveys it. Yeah, just just perusing really briefly, it looks like he actually has a lot of videos that he says that are actually some pre flood civilizations. And yeah, there are long videos two and a half three hours long. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.

I wanted to share one other, one other thing with you, sure, like I think that, you know, a part of again, my own journey or process was, you know, having those opportunities to see these a little bit differently in the environment around, but also learning some of them some kind of i don't know, book knowledge or books that I came across.

Again at church in our adult class has some really respectable teachers, you know, trying to convey to the congregation like these are the characteristics of living in a post truth, post God kind of world, right, and shared really great stuff from news magazines and articles and books and things like that. But I was always so frustrated in those classes because I'm not the kind of person who can stand by and run down a bullet point list of how like

this is how we can tell things are broken. If something's broken, then there's a call to action, right to either like not let it break further, or to try and fix it. And a couple of times two different teachers in this class forum mentioned a book called Slouching Towards Gomorra. It's a book that was written by Robert Bork, who was the first Supreme Court nominee to have his nomination rejected. He did not become a Supreme Court justice.

And this book, Slouching Towards Gomora, was published in nineteen ninety five,

so it's the year that my husband and I got married. And he does this great job of kind of in the introduction of the first couple chapters of the book, he explains kind of what's going on in society, that we're headed to this post reason, post truth, post god kind of world, and then each subsequent chapter kind of peels that back in regards to a particular arena of life, whether it's in racial sentiments or relations, feminism, education,

kind of the whole gamut of things. And I thought, well, I'm just going to have to read this book if I'm not getting a good call to action from my teachers. But this seems like a pretty smart book. So I'm going to read it, and I did. I read every word and I realized that people who love reason, love justice, love America, and love God could see in really with great clarity, where our society was headed right at the same time that I was leading, you know,

young adulthood into married life. And I thought, well, if that was seen so clearly, why why haven't we been talking about it NonStop? Like why did we like put this all on hold in wait thirty years and now we're and now we're like looking behind ourselves, you know, remarking on like

what a mess everything is. But what it did is it it gave credibility to conspiracy theories because on the flip side, I had also come across a website that lists this kind of genealogy sort of relationship chronology, you know, the roths, childs and the chases and kind of that, the whole nine yards of that, and with kind of nauseating to read that and realize that there's definite relationships, there's definite connections, like like, it's not just a

conspiracy and that having read that book, slouching towards the more at you know, from somebody who doesn't mention the roth childs, the chases, global bankers anything once but still tells us exactly what's happening, makes you realize it's really happening. And I think that made it easier for me to again, like just look at things a little bit more honestly without feeling like I had to apologize for being a conspiracy. Theorist was like, hey, the respectable judge

Bork can like lay it down thirty years before it even happens. There's really something to it. Yeah, And he nailed it across the board between opening the can of worms. Slowly with the sexualization of the media, of the TV and of the movies, you could see again, go back and watch TV up until about the mid sixties. You can start to see the change a little bit at a time. Even in the fifties, when he saw mom and Dad's bedroom, they had separate beds. That's how you know,

normal that they kept it. But he saw it. He called that out.

He called out affirmative action, abortion, euthanasia, the decline of religion, and how yeah, all of it with like said, which you know something I've never even thought about without even calling out the names that we do on the conspiracy side, it's those darn Rockefellers and Rothchilds and the Orsines and the on and on and on, when when really, at the end of the day, it's it's just evil and it's a satanic really, instead of naming people's names and listen, there's uh, we we can get to a

chat another time about our presidents, but uh, every single president there's been a decline in morals and our debt has doubled, like almost every single president.

So but how he points out so poignantly the the decline of our culture and moreover, like we've been talking about for much of this podcast, how I don't like to use the word religion so much, but for words lack thereof religion, how we've become like if you know, they have diet coke, almost like a diet Christian, right, I call them Sunday Christians, right, people who go to church for Sunday for an hour and then they go back to the worldly ways. And listen, we're all centers. I'm

not standing up here. I'm holier than now. I'm guilty too. I'm talking across the board it's a good book. Everybody should read it. It came out in it came out during Clinton's tenure maybe mid nineties, Does that sound right, Yeah, ninety five. So, and I think he's still alive. It'd be cool to have him on a podcast sometimes. But I know he's older. I think he's still alone. I might be, I don't know, but he is. It's interesting that you pinged on his comments

about media and the sexualization of television and movies. You can they can't really bring this up into their conversation, but I wondered this to my husband. I feel like Hime was It was a lot of things, but I feel like there was probably a conscious initiative there to talk about homosexuality and just to bring it up as a subject. I think, you know, people are or are not homosexual, Like it's not even it wasn't even it's not even

about the goodness or not of it. But CNN's on twenty four hours, you got all the news media's and all of a sudden, like the country is losing its innocence. Yeah, I know, my grandmother had probably not spent one brain cell on that, you know, until it had come up

on the news. That's right and right, and then across all people in all ages, and then again with Monica Lewinsky talking about the presidents and the media, right, it's like there's certainly some political positioning there and some other objectives that were probably being positioned, but also just talking about these shouldn't be on news, like again like my grandmother, me, like my children.

Never it's been a brain stell thinking about that, and all of a sudden, you can't turn around and not see it and hear it, and you can't and even like, well, if we put up something as simple as leave it to Beaver on roqu they'll get that wholesome, you know, TV experience. And then when you get the commercial from roqu it's it's it's I mean, I could go, but I'm sure a lot of people know what

I'm talking about already. Yeah, just there's no escape. So we've gotten to the point where we're just buying DVDs now because you can't even watch something without having that dropped in. On the commercials, it's just they, oh, it's crazy. I could talk to you for an hour about the commercials. It's like it's like it's and it's like, why does that commercial even have to be that way, like there are so many other things about that product that you could show us or tell us, like like why why is

it between being presented in this light? So yeah, I'm with you there and again, mister Borck would he probably just sits back in his office and laughs when he watches the news or sees these commercials. He called it like you said, I guess at this point, geez, it's closer to forty years. Next year be forty years. Oh no, ninety thirty my math, Sorry, guys, thirty years. We're closing up on time. We're coming up on an hour thirty. But I still want to give you time.

If there's any bullet points or something that we haven't had a chance to mention, please do take the time to bring that up. Well, let me tell you my silver bullets, because oh yeah, please do, please do. I wanted to be ready for that. I think, first of all, just scripture, and like I said, for me, it was definitely scriptures about our cosmology, but also just scriptures about the way that God

moves in our cosmology and the promise of his kingdom that's coming. We talked about the chemtrails, the time zones and like how we should be gaining like mad efficiencies on at least one direction of our flights if the Earth is spinning the spinning ball like like you know, like we've talked about it a lot of times with other guests, that a spinning ball, Like how does water cling to it? Or even gas? Like like how can we not get

any travel gains flying through the atmosphere if the Earth is spinning? And then and then how does the gas like staying in our atmosphere like how does it? How does it not just vapor rise into outer space? But like if we have global warming, if it's real, like if we're really worried about methane and CO two, like couldn't we just burp the atmosphe fear like like why are we doing all these I don't know, it just doesn't make sense.

It's ridiculous, especially when we're next to a vacuum like they claim we are exactly And then something that I haven't like spend like good mental time on. But there's like in photography or studio lighting, there's this rule, the inverse square law that like each time you move a light source further from its subject, the fall off of light is double right, So I'm doing a bad job of explaining it. But the Google is there, look it up. But so for the time to be so far away and just still be

so bright and directional doesn't doesn't make sense. That's that's all I can say. I can't even verbalize like like better questions about it, but it just doesn't mean sense. No, that's a big one too. And I you know, Chris Bosong was on the other night and his Facebook page. I actually dropped a picture where you can see the sun rays. You said direction, and that's actually a very good use of describing it. That the way

the rays are coming through. If it was ninety three million miles away, how were those sun rays coming in in such a small area in a particular direction like that? It makes no sense. Yeah, yeah, and a local sun makes perfect sense in that situation. Yes, yeah, it does. And I mean there's more like you like you mentioned them so well, like when you like, why is your experience like to some exposures, some of the different when you change elevation or yeah, they just don't add up.

And one of them alone could be like one of those questions where you're like, huh, you know, and then you just like like, don't worry about it. You can scroll your follow it. When you land them all up, it's like maybe I should stop scrolling my phone for a minute and go investigate. Investigated for myself. And one of the simple ones is testing the moonlight how it's actually colder in the moonlight than in the shadows.

That's something anybody can do in five minutes. And that should be one of those questions that you know, things that make you say hm hmm, yeah, for sure. I'm so glad you mentioned that because we live in a place where we could we could really do that. I need to go buy one of those thermometers and and and so we shun we can do that experiment ourselves. I did. I did have a couple of closing pods. I can I go ahead and share that with absolutely absolutely, I really do.

I believe deeply in our creation and then we were created and we're valued and loved by God. We're told God so loved the whole world that he sent us on Jesus Christ like we like, you know, you create something you wanted to stay nice, You could a plant in the ground, you want to nurture it, and cultivate it. And God loves us like that,

only so much better and so much richer. And he's patient. I think sometimes when we sit here and we consider all the conspiracies in the injustice and the uncertainty in the world, it seems like, well, come on, God, like, like what are like? What's going on here? Like? Can we can we get to the next thing? Sue. But in second Peter three nine, it's written that the Lord is not slow about his promise. That's actually a passage about the great day and in God returning.

The Lord is not slow about his promise is some consider slowness, but it's patient towards you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to reap penance. And I just think those are just beautiful words. And I think that I know that the invitation is open to anybody who is interested in hearing God call to them and to continue to call them. Maybe you already have a relationship, but He's so patient, and he wants us

all, He wants us all to come to him. I also wanted to just share that, like we talked about a second ago, freedom isn't easy and it's not free and we gained our ultimate freedom through Jesus Christ. I one hundred percent believe it. In Galatious, Chapter five, Paul rice, it was for freedom that Christ that is free. Therefore stand for and do

not be subject again and to yoke of slavery. Paul's actually plainly referring to people who knew exactly who Jesus was, and we're making a conscious decision to deny him and to live in opposition to him. So you know, we have access to freedom even in a world, even if we all end up on digital currency. That underlying freedom is there for us, if we'll, if we'll accepted. Later in that same chapter, I just thought this was

so fascinating, Paul writes about those people who are denying Christ. They zealously seek you, not commendably, but they wish to shut you out, so you will zealously seek them. And we're all being zealously sought, being zealously sought by all the producers, all the marketers, all the media, all the lies, by our school, buy the medical system, buying NASSA. We're being zealously sought. And realize it's not it's they're not seeking us because

of who we are they're seeking us so that they can empower themselves. So we just I just want to encourage you, if you're a believer, to cling to your freedom in Christ, and if you're not to to investigate that and to seek it out. I have I have two more little verses. I want to read it. That's okay, George absolutely ahead. In Ecclesiastes one eighteen, it's written in wisdom, there is much vexation, and whoever increases knowledge increases pain. And I think I got to that point myself.

You know, when you read the conspiracies and you understand all the wreckage, all the human wreckage in our history, it's can need you feeling pretty and creed, and that's and that's acknowledged. I think that it's also it's not written in those words, but I think it's an encouragement to be comfortable, not always seeking more knowledge. I think there's I think there's an unwritten encouragement

to just be and to just rest. That that is powerful. Ecclesiastes uh one eighteen, for in much wisdom is much grief, and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow. And boy, that is so on point, because really, well you know, I think I've said this before. When you start to go down the rabbit holes, you think it's cool when you connect dots,

but then there comes the other level. For instance, when I had the son of a firefighter from nine to eleven on that these rabbit hole there's people who suffered during these things, and it's and more than that, obviously, but wisdom does. It's heavy and it's powerful, and maybe that's the reason why some people would rather just as they say, take the bluepill. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then the last word I wanted to

share. It's also from the Book of Ecclesiastes. The end of the matter all that has been heard, fear God and keep his commandments, because this is the end of the matter for all mankind. And again I think that there's an encouragement there to kind of ride the way through life. We have to navigate. This is the world we're in. But the end of the matter for all on mankind is to fear God and keep his commandments. It's really well said, and I couldn't think of a better way to wrap this

up. And I'll have these verses through Bible dot Com. I'll link them in there for you to check out. The last one you just read. You have the chapter and the verse, I sure do. It's Ecclesiastes twelve thirteen. Thanks, got it? Yeah, really well done. I can't

thank you so much for your time and sharing your story. And there's so much to think about, and I could sit here and single out so many things that you said tonight, but the one thing on top I mean, obviously you know, the spiritual and Jesus and everything else, which is forefront the most important thing. In addition to that, just taking time to think and spend some time to yourself without the constant input of you know, the

earbuds, because I think a lot of us do that. We're constantly we're so in search of truth, we're constantly you know, listening and digesting and reading. I think what you said is very important that you have to take time, go set up a chair out in the garage, or take a walk, sit down by the creek and just think and process all the information that you've taken in and to make sense of it. So it's just you've been a joy to have on here tonight, and I can't thank you enough

for your thoughts and your time. Thank you so much, George, this has been really a delight to share. Thank you, You're quite welcome, and ladies and gentlemen, stay tuned for a brief message. One of our listeners, or i should say one of our previous guests, has written a book which will be out in the very near future, so check that out. And then, of course I want to thank everybody, all the previous

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