Episode 138: Flat Earth Conversation with Carly

The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It is time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds everyone well and you made it through this snowy and cold weekend. I know it's affected a lot of people here in the United States, so again, I hope you had a great weekend. We have a great guest standing by, Carly who will be joining us in just

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name is Carly. I live in Arizona. I have a husband and three little kiddos. They're seven, six, and thirty, and we homeschool. And yeah, that's about it. Now. You busy with homeschooling, Yeah, for sure. And let's start off with that topic before we start talking about your journey to the truth and everything else. At what point did you decide you were going to homeschool and was there a certain event that kind of

prompted you to think about homeschooling. Absolutely, yes, it was twenty twenty and a lot of my story will center around that, probably as a lot of people I've heard on your podcast. But wasn't actually going to homeschool and I had friend. I had a friend who did, and she had kind of talked to me about it, and I was just the whole time, I was kind of like, I don't know, I don't I don't think

I'm going to do that, you know, Sure, And then. But then twenty twenty rolled around and we had actually just toured a bunch of preschools for my daughter, who was then you know, preschool age at the time. I think she was turning four, and we found one that we really really liked. We actually signed her up, and then she never got to go because everything went crazy twenty twenty. You know, this was around March twenty twenty. I think she was going to start that fall, Wow,

and everything kind of went crazy. Things shut down. I can't remember if her preschool even was open at that time, but or if they were, you know, doing the whole mask thing or whatever, but everything just went crazy, and so I decided, I think by the time that fall rolled around and she was going to be there, they were doing masking and kind of doing things to distance the kids and all that stuff, and I just really didn't want that to be her first experience going to a school, and

so I decided to just homeschool her because I've actually been a preschool teacher for four years years ago, and I was like, I can do preschool. I'll just keep her home for preschool and teach her everything, you know, And then when kindergarten rolled around. They were kind of back to normal ish,

but they were sending kids home every two weeks. I would hear from friends like, this is the plan of somebody in your family comes down with symptoms, you know, we have to send them home for two weeks and they have to do virtual online school, and then when they come back, they have to wear masks. And I just didn't want that to be her first experience in school either, and I thought that would be very disruptive to learning and everything else. And I wanted her to be able to sit by

friends and make friends, you know. So again I was like, well, I can homeschool for kindergarten. That's easy, you know. And then my confidence the more I did it. And then my younger one was going into the preschool age and I started with her, and I had a newborn at home, and I was just the more I did it, the more I liked it and wanted to stay with it. So none of them have actually ever gone to school, which I'm thankful for now. And now it's

to the point where I don't think I could send them anywhere ever. Yeah, and it's interesting, I don't know if you had the same fears I had for me, that was a big leap to homeschool because you hear the oh, the kid's a homeschool kid, and like everything else, you only hear the negative sides of it, and it was for me, I felt like it was a very big decision, and I was very nervous about doing it, and I wanted to make sure that I wasn't cheating her of an

education. But when you come through it on the other side, you realize that it's one of the greatest decisions that you ever make, and that you're able to mold the mind of your own child, and you're able to to a certain extent. Listen, you know, there's they have ways to get to your children, right the television, that the cell phone and everything else.

But at the same time you're much more in control. But again I also realized, I just said this on the last podcast, this isn't for everybody, and some people do under you know, they think their children out there like my granddaughter who were socializing is so important, such an important part of their character. And again it's not a magical elixir like it's for everybody. But for me in that time frame, the same thing with twenty twenty

and seeing the confidence being taken away from children. When I was living in Dover, we literally literally live next to an elementary school, and I remember being either the end of May or the first week of June, it was eighty eight degrees and these children of twenty twenty and these children were outside it was eighty five degrees wearing masks. Oh yeah outside even Yeah, we live where it gets really really hot, and we would see that too, and

I would just like, I cannot be healthy. It's harmful. It's so hot out here sometimes, so I can't imagine even when the school year starts, it's still really really hot, and I just can't imagine them being outside like that on the playground or whatever. And yeah, you're right. We just at first it was very knock confident about it. I remember finding some homeschool groups on Facebook and going on there and just kind of panicking and being

like should I really I don't know what I should do. I don't know if I should do this, Like what if she can't get into college? Like I was already going there in my head, you know, And I remember the mom's on there just really helping me and being like, Okay, take a breath, she's preschool page, you know, And I don't know, my confidence just built with it. Every single I would say, not even every year, every month or so. I just felt more and more

confident in what I was doing. And now there's just a real and reasons now why I'm doing it more than what started it. It the reasons keep building. Yeah agree now, oh sorry, go ahead. And now I've just been the one encouraging new moms who are coming on these groups and doing the same thing I did, you know. So it's been really interesting, and I actually started a whole group for our neighborhood, a homeschool group.

Really. We live kind of remote, so we only we do have a school here, but it's it's the only option, and so a lot of people out here do a homeschool where I'm at. Surprisingly, so I've started a little group and we do all the get togethers and field trips and all that stuff. That's amazing. Yeah, and that's that's I've said that before, you know, finding like minded people in your community, that's really way to start. Some of us get so wrapped up in federal politics, where

it's it's mostly theater and you cannot really make a difference. You know, where you can make a difference is in your community and doing things like that. That's really amazing to hear and challenging your child and saying, you know, we don't have to do the same thing every single day. You can be very creative. And with that being said, is there a certain curriculum that you use and as a base and you work around it or do you create all there? Okay, which one do you use? I use the

Good and the Beautiful. It is extremely vibrant and beautiful, and it's it's kind of art based. There's a lot of art in it, and it's very it is it is I guess religious in a way like that. It's very light on the religion, but there is talk of God and our Creator and things like that in there, and so I like that about it. But it's just almost game based. So the kids love it. It's just really pretty to look at. It's full of shrills. It's you know,

like it's not for everyone. It's it's really pretty and fun and there's a lot of art to it and things like that, and so I use that for math and language arts and then for the rest of it. My daughter actually we have a place out here that's kind of an all up art school and it's also Christian. You can kind of pick and choose the classes they offer everything, and it's like a whole school campus. And she picked an art class and a science class to go to there, and the science one

it's more chemistry, like baking chemistry, food type science. So she goes there twice a week for an hour at a time, and we stay. They let you sit in if you want, They let you bring your other kids to watch, or where they have playgrounds to bring my other kids too. It's really ideal. Actually, that's great, So you're kind of getting the best of both worlds. And I found the Good and the Beautiful website.

They have free courses for math and language, arts, they have preschool, so I will put the link in the show notes and it's got an introductory video for those who are interested. You can check that out. Another great reason I love when people kind of share, you know, what they use to lives to educate their children, because once again, there's not one magical elixir that works for everyone. And this looks, you know, very interactive. Yeah, it really is. And what's nice about it if you're

a new homeschool mom who's very nervous about teaching everything. It's very open and go and simple for parents. It doesn't have a big teacher's guide. It's everything is open and go. It's on the page where you teach. A child just says read this to them, and then they do this, read this, they do this. So it's it's very easy to get started with it, and I think it's better for younger kids. They do go up to higher ages, but I think the younger kids just really like it the

best. We're My oldest is only in second grade right now, so we've used for all of them so far, and that's great. And the other thing is, again we take home school a year at a time. We're always like, let's see where the world is, you know, in May, and we'll decide for the next year. And it's not still not really in a great place, but this certainly looks like something for younger students to

try, so again, that link will be in the website. You had mentioned that again that twenty twenty was a big part of I'm assuming You're awakening like so many people, could you kind of talk about what it was like from your perspective when all this kicked off, and how did it affect your life? Obviously the homeschool aspect it brought about that, but what other things did it kind of affect? Sure, well, I was pregnant and having a newborn in March twenty twenty, so that's where I was. I had

two toddlers and I was having a newborn. He's actually on March second, twenty twenty, and at that point we had heard about the whole COVID things starting up and going around, and nobody really knew what was going on yet, and they hadn't brought out like masks and everything yet. So I got kind of lucky because when I had him, like my husband had come with

me to all the appointments. I was actually with a group of midwives, though I've had all of them, like natural with midwives, but he was allowed to come to everything, and he was allowed to be there, and

I had visitors after I had him and all that stuff. And then I think it was eleven days later when everything went on lockdown, or maybe it was even just a week later we brought him home, and it was just, you know, within a week or two when everything just went on lockdown and everything went crazy and we were just like, what is going on? And I was nervous for about I would say, a couple of weeks, you know, like I didn't know what was happening. I wasn't well versed

in all this stuff yet, I wasn't suspicious of anything. I didn't care about politics. I was just kind of whatever about all of that stuff,

you know. So I was nervous for about two weeks maybe, and then it got to be I think April ish, like around Easter that year, and my husband's parents live here where in town where we live, and they have a bunch of grandkids here, and for Easter we usually have a big thing at their house, and nobody would let them come over, and I remember we were just kind of like, really, why, Like we just kind of you know, and they were all taking it extremely serious to me,

and I felt really bad for my in laws because they went around driving all over town to everybody's house drop off Easter baskets to the kids and stuff. And then when they got to our house, you know, they hadn't seen the baby yet, and because no one was going anywhere, everyone was on lockdown, just trying to get toilet paper or whatever, and so they came over and I remember them just being outside at the screen door and saying,

did we will bear? Like they really wanted to see him, you know, And at that point something in me just was like, no, come in here and hold him. We're not scared of you. It's fine. You can come hold the baby, you know. And I just felt so bad for them that that nobody else would. And then the first thing that happened to kind of make me wonder and change my mind about everything also is my husband actually found a he was watching something and I could hear it

and I said, is that about what's going on right now? And he said yeah, and he sent it to me and it was this doctor talking about how, you know, this is ridiculous. We shouldn't be masking, we shouldn't be suppressing our immune systems and staying locked inside. And what's going to happen is in about November, everyone's going to show up super sick to the hospitals, you know, because we suppressed our armune sist I don't know. He was saying all this stuff, and then I remember I I was

like, that makes a lot of sense. And he was a doctor and everyone was saying, trust the doctors, trust the experts, you know. And I sent that link off to like my sister in law or somebody, and I remember she was just like, oh, that guy's been debunked. He's been debunked. And I'm like, well, what does that mean. He's a doctor, he's telling his opinions. How do you debunk that,

you know? And it was just crazy how I'm like, well, listen to what doctors like, only doctor Fauci or like, because there's other doctors coming out saying we shouldn't be acting this way. You know. It was just very interesting, the whole dynamic, and it just became very apparent, very quickly that you kind of had to pick a side. Yep, everything stand up for what you thought. It seems like everything, whether it be politics or COVID or flat or globe, it's always divide and conquer. And

that was one of the most divisive. Obviously they had the Summer of course that became very divisive, the Summer of Love in twenty twenty, and then the election you were either Trump or Biden. So I think that entire year was all about divide and conquer and to fracture families. Which it did a lot of people like you were saying, you know, people getting guilted. If you don't get a vaccine, you're going to kill grandma and all this

type of nonsense. That's that's kind of what was happening with our in laws here, Like our side of the family is really unfortunate. It kind of caused a lot of issues between everybody for a while. And what it also did was my kids entire world change, Like we're very out and about people. They were going to a little gymnastics, open gym place, they were going to storytime at the library every week. We were out and about just doing all this stuff, and all of that just came to a halt.

Just all of it came to an end. They were also seeing all their cousins all the time, and they were crying wondering why they couldn't see grandma and cousins. And it was just like, really, it made me angry how much it changed my kids worlds. And then I got involved in finding out more. Now explain number one, I completely I see it, and how still did this day. I always say, when they do these type of events, it's one step forward, two steps back, Like you know,

there's still did this day. A lot of people who keep that in the back of their mind, Like tomorrow here we're getting a little bit of snow, so they're like, all right, we're just going to do zoom tomorrow. Everybody stay home, We're just going to do zoom. Prior to twenty twenty that you have never would have even heard that, So they have

normalized this type of life going forward. Definitely. My husband at the time, he was always working in an office somewhere and they sent him to work from home when I had the baby for like well, actually they gave him a few weeks off for that and he never went back. They just put everyone to home and he's still at home. It's just crazy. Yeah, we have family members the same way. Used to travel every week around the country and now it just have a home office and every once in a great

while and fly off to do whatever to handle business. But it has just changed our world completely and it really has taken away of that personal aspect to people's lives. Yeah, definitely, Now you said it really changed you. Did you really get deep into the research of COVID and vaccines and these type of things. Yes, And well with that, scenes It started a little

earlier. My daughter, my first daughter. We took her to vaccinate her until she was about eighteen months, and she had a reaction, actually, and so with that then I stopped with my younger one. They're only sixteen months apart. So my middle daughter had had a few, just a few as a baby by the time we stopped with the older one, but she

passed out and had a seizure. So then I started looking. My oldest one did and she was around eighteen months, and so I just I was looking into it more then and just kind of paying attention more and being careful

about it. And so I quit with the younger one, and actually with my middle one, I was already getting suspicious and seeing things that somebody I knew was posting, and so I had delayed hers all spread out, so she barely has any And then by the time my son came along, he has nothing, Like I wouldn't then it was twenty twenty, and I just wouldn't do it at all. So luckily he has nothing. And I'll tell you what, he's by far my healthiest child. And if we get anything,

he either doesn't or his is the quickest to get over. It's amazing, it's interesting. Yeah, I try to send people and listen, folks. I'll put this link in the show notes as well, and this is from the CDC. Well, what do you look at the vaccine schedule just from birth to fifteen months and then you actually take to take the time to research the adjunks that are in these vaccines? You know, hepatitis v RSV, which I've gotten a lot of emails that have harmed children, wrote a

virus totherea. Of course, the newmencocle conjugate just polio. You know, it's just between birth and eighteen months. It's a whole slew of them. It's yes, and it's one of my biggest regrets now that I did that, because you have to listen to intuition. I want people to like understand

this. When my first daughter was born and she was going to get those first well, first of all, when they do it when they're like an hour old, you know, they want to give them hepatitis shots, which is you can't get that's sexually transmitted, you know, and she was two months old or I know, she was like an hour old when they want to do that one, and then they want to give them the vitamin kisha and all this stuff. And when they first did that, you know,

I was new to everything. I hadn't looked into anything, and I just handed her off, you know, and I remember just sobbing as they did it, just thinking I don't like this, you know, And I was. I was. I just given birth, I was full of four months, but I was just a mess while they were doing it. And then when it came time for her two month ones, which is when you start going back in for them, I had an anxiety attack the night before.

I didn't want to do it and I didn't want to take her and I actually had to have somebody come with me because my husband was working, and I was just terrified that she was just going like I knew. I knew deep down. I don't know if I had heard something or read something, but something in me didn't want to do it. But you know, and I remember asking family and friends and the doctor and the pediatrician, and I remember asking them, is it really safe? Should I really do it?

I kind of don't want to do it, and everyone encouraged me to do it, which is so unfortunate. You know, everyone was just brainwashed and like, no, you have to, you have to, you know, And so I did. And it's just it'll probably be my biggest regret, you know, for sure because of that. But you know, that's what we're taught, right, It's like everything else, that's what we're taught.

It's healthy, it's going to save your life. You know the famous picture of Elvis Presley getting the polio shot in like nineteen fifty eight, you know that was that the vaccination rates went from like and I'm spitballing here, I don't remember the exact but it's something crazy like I think five percent of the American population had a polio shot and then Elvis came on live TV and got his and I think within thirty days, like eighty percent of the country had

their polio shot. So there's something to the infamous statement is once people see it on TV, then they'll believe it. And two things we should mention is that COVID nineteen is now already on the permanent vaccine schedule and is part of the birth to eighteen month vaccine. Wow. And something else I think you mentioned vitamin K right, Yes, there, I've people send me stories and stuff all the time. There are possible links. And again, don't

listen to me. I'm not a doctor, folks, but there you go. Yeah, the childhood look and that one. Surprisingly, I even was asking the midwage, can I just you know, you can do oral drops because the vitamin K they give is synthetic and it's like a way higher dosage

than you're supposed to have. It's way high. And so I had asked her about them drops that are like natural ones, and even she, even the midwife was who are usually a little more holistic, she was just like, nope, that's the one I won't allow to get if you want to be with me as a midwife. And so I don't know. That's interesting, Yes, but I didn't with my son. I I didn't do anything with him. But and you said he's the healthiest one. Huh. Yes,

it's it's like a glaring difference, honestly. And it's funny because it goes from one to the other. Like my middle one, who's had only a few she's the next healthiest one, and then my oldest is always the first one in the family sick the longest. That it's hard to get rid of the most problems, you know, health wise, so Carly, if that's feel bad about it, Like, if that isn't exhibit A, B

and C for people to at least and again I'm not a doctor. I never tell anybody to do anything, but if that at least doesn't tell you to at least look into this deeper. And there are tons of resources out there. If you can't find them yourselves, email me. I'll send you all the links to the books. And again that's just one side of the opinion. Everybody is responsible, you know, for their children to make their

own decisions. But I mean, I've just talked to hundreds and hundreds of people who have gone through and you know what's really interesting, Carly, it's not just people. I've had people email me who had other pets get certain vaccines and have seizures and pass away from you know, from dogs who have had these vaccines and their stories. Yeah, there's stories all over the internet about it. So and again, people will tell you that they'll compare and

we'll start getting into this as well. They compare flat earthers to anti vaxxers. So there's a whole psychological aspect to these things, right, I've heard that it's real interesting, But Yeah, so that's really interesting. Why don't we kind of work our way over to how did you come across? Were you like looking through YouTube through covid and you came about a flat Earth video? Or how did you find your way to flatter Earth? Well? Yes,

but the seed was kind of planted. In twenty sixteen. I had a cousin that I reconnected with after I hadn't seen her since we were kids kind of, and I found her on Facebook and we were kind of reconnecting on there, and I noted she's very very into all this stuff, all of it, flatterth everything, but she's very vocal about it. And so she was just posting NonStop stuff about just everything, the moon landing, the nine to eleven, like flat Earth, vaccines, all of it. And

this was back in twenty sixteen when I had just had my daughter. I had my daughter already and I had already vaccinated her. So I was very like, you know, defensive, and I was actually screenshotting stuff of her and sending it to like my sister, leaving like look girl, she's crazy, you know, and I'm like, look now he thinks thereth is flat

look this. So we were like, so we were just watching her posts of that for a while, and then then she she posted something about flat earth and I wish I couldn't remember what it was, but it was some kind of meme with like something like if you believe that, then how about this? Or there's some kind of people think this but you know, one of those memes that kind of makes you think, right, like you,

how do you not see the connection between these two things? Yes? And I kind of went, oh, well, yeah, that's a good question, you know. And I remember I just probably just got on Google back then. I didn't have any of the other search things, and I don't know what I came upon. I don't remember, but I remember what I saw surprise me, like, and I read I Then I spent like a

half an hour reading stuff and looking into it further. And it was actually kind of irritating me that I couldn't refute what I was seeing, Like everything was making sense to me that I was seeing and I was getting. I was actually annoyed. I remember just kind of stutting the laptop and being like, hey, I don't have time for this, Like I have a baby,

I'm not dealing with this rabbit hole right now. You know, and I remember I just let it go, like I just shut the laptop and I was like, the dumb I'm not looking into this anymore, Like it's not flat, you know. Did you think that or was that your way of saying, oh my gosh, I don't want to be associated with the person I was screenshotting and send it to my sister. No. Yeah,

it was kind of like, well I can't. You know, we just spent all this time making fun of her, right right right, And I have to say I really like her and we were having fun chatting things, but when it came to what she was posting, I was just very like ah ah, you know, I just wasn't there yet. And so when then when I s I started looking into it and realized that what she was saying and what I was looking up from it made sense. It was kind

of making me mad, you know. My initial reaction was just kind of like whatever, yep, And so I just set the laptop and I was done with it for until twenty twenty. And then in twenty twenty, when I was just stuck at home with the newborn with everything closed, looking into all this stuff, looking into all the COVID stuff and everything. Then I

did happen to follow some page on Instagram. I think it's eyes on the Right, and she's got but the problem is she keeps getting shut down, so she posts like eyes on the Right two point zero eyes on the Right. So if you want to look her up, it might be hard because she comes up with different like numbers at the end to kind of keep going gotcha, shame makes me getting canceled, and she keeps great in a no

account. Yeah, but I think it was her account where I just started following all these accounts who were more you know, right leaning, I guess, or just doubting COVID and posting conspiracies type stuff about it, you know, or we thought conspiracy. And so she posted something about the firmament and the she was showing all these different images in Hollywood and movies and TV about like the dome and how, oh this logo makes the dome and look how

this makes the dome. And it was about the dome and the firmament. She's posted this whole Instagram reel with this long video, and I remember just instantly remembering from before what I had looked at, and you know, I had more time I was just like nursing all night, looking at my phone and kind of being stuck at home, and I just started really looking into

it more then, and it just all makes sense. I just I feel like you can't research it deeply for more than five minutes and it's without understanding it. To me, It's like it just all made sense to me. It all started clicking and making sense. And I hadn't known before from the other stuff. I saw that the whole Bible connection. And I was raised

pretty religious. I have a good understanding of the Bible in some ways, and so I hadn't made that connection before about how you know, planets are never even mentioned in the Bible and all this stuff and the firmament, how it's all described. It all just clicked to me. And then I just had a lot of fun researching it for a long time. That's such a good story. And one thing I'll mention, excuse me, is that I did find she's on four now, I was on the right four point.

Oh okay, she's got one hundred and thirty thousand followers. Yeah, I think she's got a podcast too, and she she does delve into some stuff that I'm like, I don't know, but it's she's pretty interesting to follow. Yeah, she covers a lot of things I do on my other podcast, Skull and Bones. And you know, I'm just looking here on the cover the Leave the World Behind. How that has ball in the poster? Interesting? Oh yeah, he does a lot about symbolism and numbers and yeah,

it's all out there for sure. I'll put that link in the show notes. And then talking about uh, you know that the globe theory between flat Earth, it's very simple. In philosophy, one of the things they teach you is Acam's razor. I've mentioned this before, and that is simply a problem solving deal. That just says searching for explanations that are constructed with

the smallest possible set of elements. And if you look at heliocentrism and the axes and the spinning and the chasing the sun and everything else involved in it, and then you look at biblical cosmology or flat Earth, then how simple that is? So even for all the philosophers like Professor Dave and things like that, who mac us just come back and say, Okay, well you know Okham's raver. Okham's razor. I don't know I can never say that

it is the simplest rule. So but this all goes back to the brainwashing, the scientism, the indoctrination, and the lack of critical thinking skills. Just because you went to school for in some cases seventeen to twenty years with secondary education, it just means that you were fed more brainwashing in the for the most part. Now, of course, there are good schools, and I'm sure there's you know, good education systems out there, but I find

that those people are the hardest nuts to crack. Yeah, definitely, you know, and with that thing, I'm sorry, go ahead. I think it can be a very hard feel to swallow, to realize you've been duped. You know. Great point. I think that's what was going on with me at the beginning when I first, you know, was trying to look into it. But it's just how it is. I mean, you can either you can either open your eyes or not. I don't think. I

don't try and post much about it at all. Actually, I don't try and like change anyone's mind because I feel like you just have to come to it. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I'll float a couple things out there. When that one group I can't even think of the name now, the famous hackers. They dropped a flat Earth YouTube video like two or three months ago. I think I even posted it on the podcast. I floated it out on my very private, very small Facebook channel. You know, if

I post a picture of my chickens, it'll get thirty likes. But I put that video out there of like flat which was really well done, and not one single person took the time to look at it. So again, you're right, they do have to be kind of willing to look at these things. Otherwise you just you might as well be talking to the wall. Yeah, that's true. All though, to be fair, I mean, my cousin who was posting and posting, she got me, you know,

she got the seed planted. But sure, sure that's important. So I guess it's good that some people are more vocal about it. And that's interesting. It was like four years did you say it was twenty twenty when you came back to flatter Yes, so that seed was planted back in twenty sixteen, and it laid dormant for four years, and then because of them over playing their hand, you said, well, I'm thinking internally, you probably thought, well, if they can lie about this, what else could they

be lying about? And that's probably one of the reasons you were willing to look into it exactly. I just felt like everything is weird, something's going on, nothing is right, memore, Like, I kind of just got wind of a lot of stuff. And I also came upon a documentaratoring that time that was like about how movies hide symbolism and or they basically like show you what they're doing, you know, but they make it as fiction, but it's not really right. So that's the way of disclosing the truth.

Yeah, so I saw that documentary and I actually grew up in Hollywood. I don't know if you want to know this part of my story, Yeah, please, I'd love to hear that. It's interesting for me, this whole thing, the whole Hollywood celebrity thing. That was the hardest for me to let go of. It was, you know, as I came around to everything I was. I grew up there in Hollywood in the midst of like literally I saw the Hollywood Sign on my way to school every day.

I went to a very fancy private school with celebrities kids and children's celebrities and just kids. You know, I remember getting made fun of once because I didn't have an agent and everyone else had an agent. So that's how it was for me and I. You know, there's a lot of people that everyone would know their name. I'm not gonna say names that I either went to school with or their parents picked them up, you know, and I

saw them and they were ramous or things like that. And there's a lot of people I know personally, like neighbors who were in things and things like that from my upbringing. But what's interesting is I was raised pretty religious. Also, my parents kind of kept me from it as much as they could, but I because they kept me from it, I wanted it. So I grew up Hollywood obsessed, like through my through I've been kids basically, like having kids kind of made me not care about anything else but my kids.

And then of course, you know, as twenty twenty year olled around, but before that, I was pretty obsessed with Hollywood and celebrities. I know some of them. There's some people I could that you everyone would know that I was still in contact with, Like there's one in particular that I was still in contact with and friends with, and so it's just an interesting dynamic because it was it was hard for me to come around to that part of it and let go of that part of it, which is interesting.

Yeah for sure. And I'd like to interject with this really quick. Did you think that now I don't know the celebrities. I think that the the the A listers, let's just say, like the Dicaprios and the top Hanks, I think they are in on the things and maybe even part of the CIA web, like actually part of the top tier of things. Oh yeah, becose, Yeah for sure. And movies and TV have more. They're meant to distract the old like the Roman Empire. Give them bread and circus

and they'll never revolt. But it is also to plant seeds in your head as well, Like you had that seed planted in your head twenty sixteen. Four years later you were able to look at it twenty twelve. They planted that movie Contagion in our head and moles throughout history, and then when it happened, we accepted it and very well down the road. You know, we've had Star Trek, Star Wars, and Disney's always running these new spinoff

series Guardians at the Galaxy. There's going to be this project blue Beam type of thing. I don't know how they're going to use it, but it's just going to be another sign up that most people are going to accept because they saw it on TV. Yeah, definitely, and especially when you mentioned contagion. I remember seeing that, and that's how everyone acted. As soon

as COVID started. That's how everyone acted, as if the minute you get it, you're going to die and people are dropping in the streets, and when you really stop and just look, that's not what was happening. If it was a real pandemic, we would have seen you know, homeless people dead everywhere and people find people in their homes everywhere, and it just wasn't what they were saying. But that's how everyone panicked because everyone had seen that

movie. I'm sure. Yeah. It's just crazy how they can get into people's heads. Yeah, for sure, The Walking Dead or Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman, yes, or even regular TV episodes that would have an episode about that particular thing. It's just this subconscious, you know, mind control that they do through the television. And the one scene I'll never forget in that movie is where the person who was like you know, Agent zero or whatever, the original carrier takes a drink of this cup, you know, out

of his glass, maybe it's a whiskey or bourbon or something. He hands it to the waitress. She takes it to the dishwasher, and like the next day, everybody who touched that glass was dead. And that was like next level propaganda that every time I go back to that, I'm like,

wow, they really laid it on thick. Yes, I totally remember thinking of that theme too when all of this story is like, that's how scared everyone was, But that was there, that was all planned out for sure, Like, yeah, nobody knew at the time, But that's what that documentary is about that I found. And once I found that, I just went into more and more and more and more of them. So do you know if that documentary you saw was that the one with the stuntman that the

guy was a stuntman in Hollywood? Yes, I think so. It's called Out of Shadows. Yes, that is so good, and it really the thing that impressed me the most. That's when he showed all the local news, like you know, all the little local news broadcasts from around the country. We're literally reading off the same script. Whether it was Philly, Oregon, Los Angeles, Miami. They were verbatim saying the same thing, and

yes, yeah, crazy. And the thing is like I would send things like that to people who were very just scared and just you know, hung up on all this stuff, and then you would just blow it off every time, and it's like, how can you keep doing that? Like, I just don't understand once you open your eyes, I don't understand how people can't. But I guess you just have to be in that place for yourself.

And that's why I quit trying. I just quit trying. But you know, when we were in the throes of it and my kids were crying, why is no cousins at my birthday party? You know, I was trying to make people come around, and it's just not possible unless they want to be Yeah, exactly. And I did find the link to that on Rumble, so I'll put that in if you guys want to watch it. And I think this is kind of tied in with the fall of the Cabal, and I was really sad to hear that the woman behind that was that

one of the did you ever watch that documentary followed the Cabal? Yes, I did. I don't know if I finished it. It's very hard now with oh kids. The next thing. Bet, I do remember starting to watch it and trying to watch it. I don't remember how deep I got into it. Yeah, she was Clinton. Last month she committed suicide. They found her body on I think Christmas Eve. The woman who voiced that interesting stuff, where are you? Where's the rest of your family? Uh?

With you? Like? Obviously it sounds like most of the families on board with the vaccines, But how about flat earth? And have you had any luck sharing that with other people and getting them to actually look into it? No? Well, not the family that I've been talking about after you know, after the whole COVID situation. I don't try anymore with the I'm not going to mention anything to them, and they would completely pair me apart

for that. Some of them are teachers. One of them, one family member particular, dressed his kid up for Halloween as a flat earther to make fun, like with a tinfoil hat, a shirt that said flat Earth, and like a bathrobe and slippers. I don't know, and that was a flat earth costume. I guess apparently that's what we all look like and so I just wouldn't even without even knowing about me or anything, he did.

They're just very like to make fun of things like that, and they're very like science you know, minded, and if you know what I mean.

So with them, I'm not even gonna try. However, I mentioned it to my own mom, who's very more open to that, and she was just kind of like, oh, I guess I never realized because he's very into the Bible, you know, and she had never really like studied the wording in Genesis that much, and how you know that you know everything about the earth and the firm and all that stuff, and how there's no mention of planets, and she she said she would look into it, and she's

actually sent me back a few things to look into, but she's not she's you know, up there in age, and I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not out to like really change anyone's mind right now with it. I've mentioned it to my husband. He's kind of on board with like looking at things I sent him, and he is kind of like, huh, interesting, you know, so he's getting there. But he's very very open and patient with me about like looking into things like that, and he would

never call me crazy or anything like that. So we'll see where that leads. And then you know, I've mentioned it to a really good friend who's very open about having conversations about these things. But I have never really found anyone that has like changed their mind because of me talking about it or anything.

I have a neighbor who I'm very suspicious about, and he moved in and came him over and had a big conversation with us, and we got into so many topics about just you know, all this deep stuff, and he mentioned so much stuff I would have never thought that, you know,

stuff like from your podcast for example, that people talk about. And it was on the tip of my tongue to ask him about that one like flatterth and I just couldn't do it. Like I'm just a little nervous still to like bring it up, because I feel like that's the biggest one that gets

people, like it gets people thinking people are crazy or whatever. Yeah, again, most people have no problem having a conversation at the water cooler about flatter or not flatter the moon landing and JFKA, like that's completely acceptable. And the fact that people can't, like you said, can't connect the dots between a fake moon landing and flat earth is and again, like we all

remember, we were that guy at some point. But it's just funny because the answer most people get was, even if they did fag it, it was because of the Cold War, we had to beat Russia and it was all for the good of the United States. But in fact it was really, excuse me, just a diversion from Vietnam. And they obviously, with high jumping everything else, they found the firmament and they knew the truth that they had to deceive, and that was their way of doing it. And

again, NASA is such a deep pocket. One of our listeners sent me and apologized for not having your name. I read it today that by twenty thirty they're going to crash the ISS into the ocean and build a new one. And there's a contract out for the new builder. I think it was three hundred and fifty. I don't want to say if it was million or billion dollars. But it's just another way to enrich the folks at the top of the food chain. Right. One of my relatives that I was mentioning

works for them. So I just can't even I'm not going there with them. You know. Yeah, I get people all the time, you know, my uncle, my cousin worked at NASA. But they understood, they had conversations with them, and it's just very much compartmentalized. They weren't they weren't anywhere near a space shuttle or anything like that. They just had their own little thing, just like I was in the Army. I had my little tiny thing that I did for the army, but I was nowhere near

the top of the food chain. And that's the way it is the military. That's the way it is at NASA. Right, Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I don't think all of the people who work for them do know everything. Oh no, there's very few people. And by the way, it was one hundred and fifty billion with a B billion dollars to build them space station, and then of course there's maintenance and everything else. And of course I think that was also part of the Challenger. Right,

how dare you question that? You know how much one of these O rings? Remember it was the O Ring that was involved in the Challenger. That was an issue in the O Ring, So how dare you question this? Seven hundred and twenty six dollars bolt, because don't you remember what happened to the over You could kill the astronauts, So of course none of the comptrollers are going to say anything m hmm to all the astroats that are still alive

with the same names right from the Challenger. That's the first thing I remember seeing on TV as like a big news story as a kid, The Challenger. But that was a big deal. Yeah. Some one of our regular listeners that I chat back and forth with thought, I think it might have been David from Alaska. He had mentioned, what what if it was actually an accident, Like, obviously maybe there wasn't the astronauts on there, but what if it was really an accident? And I thought about, asaka,

that's interesting. But then I thought, if it was just another launch, I don't think they would have put TVs in every single schoolroom across the country. And the fact that they chose a teacher who had barely been a teacher for a year out of the eleven thousand applicant at least they say there was eleven thousand applicants, someone who just became a teacher. The whole thing was just, once again a story, a narrative to psychologically brainwash us into believing

a certain way, right, how dare you question NASA? You know, you're disgracing those patriots that died back in nineteen eighty six on the Challenger. And that's whether it's nine to eleven or certain events that took place in Connecticut in twenty twelve, it's all how dare you question that? And that's why going all the way back full circle to your friends who dressed up as a crazy flat earther, that is exactly the end result that the people at the

top of the food chain want to happen. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's it's hard for me to even know what to teach my kids now. I've kind of been avoiding that whole subject, like of space and Earth and everything when it comes to teaching because there's no I've thought about, like writing my own curriculum, but I don't know enough yet. And also everything gets banned, even on Etsy, you can't even I've heard of people trying

to put out things like that and it just gets it gets removed. Really, I wish I could learn more and just write my own curriculum, but it's hard for me to even know what to teach them at this point, like it's it's just hard because I don't want them to be the kids that go out and say something and they get bullied for it or right, you know, I don't know. It's just interesting. And even in that curriculum I told you about the beginning, the faith based one that we're using.

Just yesterday she was doing something where, you know, she's in second grade, so it was having her write down words with oh oh, and it was giving her little clues like you know, you know, I'm white and hard and in your mouth and it was tooth, you know. And then there was another one and it was like I am around, I'm in the sky at night, you can see me, you can't see me good in the day. And then the last clue was a man has walked on me.

Oh no. She was so confused because I haven't delved into any of that. She's, well, I think it should be mooned, but you can't walk in the moon. Nobody's ever walked in the moon. You know, I've already got like the weird homes COVI that like they're gonna question everything. But she she was like, that doesn't make any sense. Nobody's walked on the Moon, because like, haven't even gone into any of that. And I was like, well, some people think that astronaut has that astronauts

have gone up there. I don't believe that's true. Do what do you think do you think that can happen? She's like no, Like, yeah, I don't think so either. So it's just kind of hard to even know how to teach them at this point with it's in everything, it's it's in everything. I went to a used bookstore for them the other day to look through you are we going to do a unit on like insects and bugs?

And I opened this book about bugs. It was this really cool looking book and the first page started with evolution and it had all this stuff about fossils and bugs and I'm just like, oh, like, I just don't

even know how to approach this. Sometimes as they get older, yeah, and that therein lies that the big question is, you know, and again we're broaching that as my daughter, you know, gets to high school age, do we send her to high school just to spend the end of every week going through what she learned and saying, well, this is a lie. This is a lie. And not only that, but all the other kind of things that are being pushed into the school system, you know,

and different schools in different areas of the countries have it worse. Where we're at in a rural area, we don't really have to deal with the I can go through the drive through and say yes ma'am or no sir and not worry about yet being illed at for being misgendered. But you know, things of that nature that's being infiltrated into the school systems. And again that all goes back to you know, what's best for you and your child and where

you are at the world. And but for us, what we've been doing is kind of saying, this is what they teach, right, man landed on the moon July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, blah blah blah, And then we say, here's what we believe. We'll talk to her about it and then maybe throwing a flat Earth day video or something and let her watch that. And our daughter's kind of in the same shoes as your daughters. It is like, yeah, it doesn't really make a lot of sense,

and how could they do it fifty years ago? But we can't do it now, you know, Back in nineteen sixty nine. There's a very famous video what will Life be Like in the year two thousand and It was flying cars and everything else, and then at the end of it they show a video like do not eat this wrapper, caution coffee is hot, just like how dumb our society it has gotten. It's actually pretty funny. That is

funny. Yeah, I guess that's all I'll have to do. It is just tell here what is out there and then say what do we think about this? And because I can't, I can't in good faith just teach her what you know, like basically, why about everything? Now that I know, it's just hard to figure that part out. I've just been avoiding it. Yeah, it is is It is hard to say, like, you know, they actually believe this, you know, Jim Carrey when he's at

the diner when we laid it on the moon. Awesome yet yep. But again, unfortunately, most of our history books are at best a little bit of truth sprinkled with lies. And really it only takes about ten percent of the story to be infiltrated for it to really send people in the wrong direction. It doesn't even have to be a complete lie, right, that's true. This has been awesome. Was there any bullet points or anything that you wanted to talk about that we haven't mentioned yet. I'm trying to think.

I'm sure there is, but I'm I'm having trouble coming up with them on the spot. What was there other rabbit holes that you have gone down that you find interesting? Obviously flat earth is a big one for you, and you've done a lot of research on vaccine. Whether there any other things that

you've really found interesting and been spending a lot of time looking into. Yeah, like the nephelin, the giants, that kind of thing, and how you know, all this beautiful architecture we've had couldn't possibly be you know, in the year that it was built, look as ornate as it was,

Like stuff like that. Do you know about those things yet? So there's people ride around on horse and buggies, Yet there's buildings that are built so perfectly well that we probably couldn't even replicate today with the technology we have exactly. Things like that are interesting to me. Yeah, it's it's very interesting. There's a lot of people out there who do a good job. John Levi on YouTube My Lunch Break does a good job. Is there any other

resources that you use to research that. No, you know, basically, I follow a lot of just social media pages that post things about it, like that Instagram when I told you about in similar ones like that. And then I have I do have one friend who is on board with all of this stuff in another state. She sends me a lot of links, but I couldn't like tell you exact ones right now, but we have fun kind of sending each other the deep stuff like that, like the rabbit hole stuff.

For sure, it's good to have somebody to bounce that stuff off of because there's a lot of people out there who don't really have anybody to have this kind of conversation with. Yeah, that's true. And then of course, you know all the nine to eleven stuff and the moon landing and all that normal stuff that we you know, that's on every podcast you have. Basically, I'm you know, I've looked into all of those. Two. Yeah, there's just I'm trying to think of what else. I don't know

as far as the moon landing goes. Was there one thing that you're like an aha moment when you were looking through the evidence or watching a podcast or the Van Allen belt, Oh, Okay, there you go. That's something. Yeah. Just and again, this is what they're saying. When you look at the boiling points of I think aluminum and what the the vessel was made out of, it should have melted. It shouldn't even made it a quarter of way through there. And that's according to their science. Yes.

And I actually feel like if you just look at it, like if you look at there, the thing they built, my second grader could have built that, Like I mean, you just all you have to do is look at it. It's silly. It looks like lawn chairs and Christmas ornaments with duct tape. Yeah, that's not gonna Yes. And I love how before cell phones, like you know, we were calling the moon from a landline.

That's that is find hilarious to me because I've said this before. When my dad was my dad was in the National Guards and he went to Germany in like nineteen I'm guessing here eighty four, and I remember talking it to him on the phone just from here to Germany and there was like a two second delay like hey Dad and be delay Hey yeah, you do you know,

and you could kind of hear the echo back and forth. It's just absurd to think that nineteen sixty nine that happened, right, And even now the images that they're sending from air quotes Mars is that's a joke in itself as well. And if you look at how far Mars is away? How far is Mars from Earth? I can never remember, but it's it's insane, like it's one hundred and forty million miles according to them. Yeah, all right, these distances are ridiculous. I cannot handle the distances they give

us. If somebody would actually sit down and try to understand how far that is. And like if I, like, I'll forget to turn off my Wi Fi on my phone when I'm driving out in my truck and I'm listening to something and because of the transfer from Wi Fi to Blue Wi Fi to you know, five G or whatever, it'll pause and I'm like, you know, fifty feet from my house, and but they have technology that can just reach one hundred and forty million miles. Just sit down and think about

that. Come on, really, I know, when you really think about it like that, it just it just feels silly, like fortuny silly. It just doesn't seem real. Now somebody's going to email me, how could you compare your Wi Fi to that's this technology you get right, white folks, come on. One hundred and forty million miles is ridiculous. And then if your people explain away the phone thing like it was radio they're using radio weights or whatever. But okay, yep, it's absurd even from them two

hundred and thirty nine thousand miles when I'm in the mountains. You know, I'm not going to stop making uh keep yeah, typically that's dumb. It's because of this or that. Anyway, it's just absurd to me, It truly is. What was the other question I had for you? Darn it? I just had a question on the tip of my tongue, and it's uh, it's slipped my mind egg on it anyway, the moon landing. But there was one other thing I had up. No, I guess not.

I'm sorry about that. That's okay. The other one I've been looking into is the whole Pem trails. Oh, that's a big one. I just did a call episodes on that recently. Yes, I don't know if

it's the same everywhere. We are getting hit hard with them here. I don't know why or what if it's the same everywhere, but you know it'll be we have really nice weather right here where we are now, this is like our nice weather, and you know, you try and get the kids outside every day, you know, get them outside more when the weather's nice and not so hot and everything, and we'll walk outside and it'll just be like tic tac toe crossing the skies everywhere, and it's just like I almost

want to bring them back in. It's just so frustrating that they really started spraying us hard prior to Christmas and everybody started getting this cough. It was like a ten day cough. My wife couldn't shit. We thought it, Yeah, it's crazy. And that's the disheartening thing. You know, look at me. I'm out here at homestead and grown my own food. But if they're dropping barium and aluminum on my soil, yeah, what good is

it? Now? Granted, we have a greenhouse, which even we're still we're blessed, we're still pulling lettuce and radishes and stuff out of it. But outside of that, you know, and our chickens and our eggs and everything else, it's just disheartening to know that people are and that's not even a fringe conspiracy theory anymore. I believe that whole heartedly, that they're spraying

us. What about yourself, Oh yeah, I think so too, And I've actually heard it more too, like it's not a fringe thing anymore, like you said. But it is really frustrating, and it's like, I don't even know if we should be outside when I see it like that. I've taken a couple of pictures. It's just crazy how much it is sometimes here. And I remember growing up in the seventies and the eighties and the blue skies and the clouds, and it's just that the sky itself is not

even the close to what it used to be. And of course Al Gore and his friends will tell you and the World Economic Forum that it's because of cow's farting and your gasoline engine and everything else. But the fact is is they are using geo engineering to alter and I think the weather, Yeah, the weather. I think they have a way. I think they figured out how to use earthquakes as a weapon. I'm still kind of researching that.

But they've been cloud seating and everything else since they were doing it in England in the fifties, and we were doing it in Vietnam in the sixties with Operation Popeye, we were cloud seating and they were pouring on these dirt roads in Vietnam to try to keep the Northern Vietnamese from coming down and attacking us, and it would flood the roads out. And this is something and if you think about that, that technology, it's been sixty years, so imagine

what they're able to do now. It's interesting because when I was a kid, I remember looking up and seeing the little slains go by with the white you know, behind them, and I remember when you would watch it, they would disappear as quickly as you saw it, and that I believe is condensation, like people will tell you it's And now they don't disappear, so

it's something different for sure. And I do remember looking at the clouds as a kid and just fluffy white clouds that look like shapes, and you try and find the shapes, and there's none of that anymore, Like I never see that anymore. And just the color of the blue sky, that deep blue is just not there anymore. Yeah. Interesting. I know. The question I wanted to ask you before we go was kind of your silver bullets for flat Earth. So if you did have the opportunity to give people some

examples that you think they could easily go and look for themselves. What are kind of your your silver bullets of flatter earth? Oh well, my biggest thing is like water doesn't bend? Is that the kind of thing you mean kind of convinced somebody. I just the whole water thing, like not, it's a container and it doesn't. It doesn't like bend to a ball. It's gonna That's a big one for me. And then you don't think a water can stick to a ball? No, not really. Also not if

you're spinning it out of control a million miles an hour. No, it's not gonna stick there, right, it would fly off. Yes. And then also if you look at the moon, it's the same all the time. If we're completely rotating it all the time, Like, wouldn't we see other angles of it? You would think. So that's one of the things I think about. The stars always look the same. I mean, I don't know. I'm not like that good at this yet where I feel like

I could convince somebody sure easily. And I have trouble remembering all the facts I've seen and watched and listened to and stuff like that when I need to when I need to say them, because I'm just full of like other stuff in my head that I have to be doing all the time. So I don't know if I'm not good at coming up with that stuff, but those are the things I think about. But even so, in this day and age, it's easy just you can copy and paste to link to something and

send it to someone and that's just as effective. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. Even I know a lot of people don't like TikTok, but I feel like there's a lot of truth on there and I actually wonder if that's why they were trying to ban it before, because I feel like stuff doesn't get deleted or you know, censored on there as much as it does on other platforms. And I've actually found a lot on there

about this that has been eye opening and interesting. Yeah, you're not the first person to say that because the US government can't control it, that's why they want to get rid of it. And there is a lot of truth on there. And you know, the fittest Flat Earth or Tyler who is his via has exploded it the one he did on Biden the other day, it's got like one point two million. It's wow. So I think you're

right. I think it is a tool that maybe we should use. And I keep saying I need to use, but I'm an old goober and those things are difficult. Video is like a whole different animal for me. But I need to probably discipline myself and start doing that because it is a very popular tool, and TikTok reaches a lot of youth. So I mean, if you can get younger people to look into this kind of stuff, maybe

you can make a difference. Yeah, that's true. Actually, I was surprised on it the other day because I was on a homeschool mom's page on there and she was talking with a globe in the background of her She was in her homeschool room with glow, and then some other mom commenting them there, and she said, first of all, get rid of your glow because

Earth is not a spinning ball. Nice guy, so funny, and I was like, wow, she just said that, you know, it was just it's funny to it's fun to find another, you know, another one of us for sure that there's not enough. And once you do find somebody, it's good to be able to commiserate with each other and like you said, set each other links all the time, and hey, check this out.

So that's really awesome. That's I can't tell you how much I appreciate you you coming on the podcast and share everything and continued success with the homeschool and the children. And I'd like to hear more stories down the road about what was it like living in Hollywood and what was Macaulay calking like? And oh my goodness, I have a lot I could tell you. I can't imagine. I can imagine. I will say it is amazing because I can't

imagine what a different world been through La. When we moved from Hawaii to New York. We got stuck there for three days waiting for my car to come on a boat and didn't do a lot, but it La Hollywood. I can't imagine what a whole different beast that is from like air quotes like the normal world. Yeah it is. I actually would never I wouldn't want to go back. It's it's kind of scary to me now. Actually, even though I grew up there, it's got some nostalgia for me, but

it's sure I wouldn't want to live there again. Yeah, I don't think I would either, And but yeah, that that in itself is a rabbit hole. And again, I'll put that video out of Shadows in the show description. If you've never seen it, it's definitely worth another look. He talks about how Hollywood works, but he also talks about how the media and

the news is infiltrated and they all are really Mockingbird Operation Mockingbird. They're all controlled and they don't really there's no really, there's not a such thing as a reporter anymore. Because that sad to me. I used to have the utmost respect for journalists because I thought like they were some of the most powerful people in the world, Like that was the unofficial, you know, fourth branch of the government. They would kind of make sure look out for corruption

and report on it and hold these people accountable. And then you get a little older and you realize they're all controlled and they're told what to write for the most part. Yeah, exactly, So what are you going to do? Well again, I can't thank you enough for coming on the podcast, but I would certainly love to give you the last few minutes of this podcast to say whatever your heart desires. Well, you know, you've asked at

the end before, why the lie? Yes, I know if you still do that, But I just think beyond hiding a creator, which I do think is a big reason to hide more land, maybe to hide resources, there's a lot of reasons. I think, you know, we got to wonder what other resources that are out there that they don't want us to know, What other land is out there. I just think there's a ton of land we don't know about and everything. Yeah, there's definitely could be something

to that. And resource is a big one too. I think, excuse me, there's a reason why we're not allowed to go past the sixtieth parallel exactly tide. What's in you know, what's past the ice wall in Antarctica or whatever. I think there's something to that too. Unfortunately we may never know until you know later on in life. But I think, to be honest with you, I'm not sure if there's land past the ice wall. I think there there may be land within this realm that we don't even know

about. The if you look at the the even on a flat earth or even a globe, if you look at the vast at the Pacific Ocean, and I think one of the keys. I don't know if you've ever gone down the MH three seventy rabbit hole. The plane that disappeared I think in what was a twenty fourteen that that is a very very deep rabbit hole. Those that plane was carrying a bunch of scientists with cloaking technology, and that's

a very very deep rabbit hole. And there's a lot of people who think that there is a very small continent within our own, within these ice walls that we don't even know a Wow, So I haven't, but that's a good one. I'll look into that. Yeah, for sure, that was the one. I think the Indonesia plane that kind of just disappeared off the face of the twenty fourteen very deep rabbit hole. Interesting. But yeah, again, please do take the time and share your final thoughts. Yeah,

I mean, I think I think that was it. I just think, you know, it's good for people to keep their minds open, basically, is the only thing. I mean, you're not gonna you're not gonna be you know, if you're made fun of, it's like they're just not there yet, I think. But I don't know, it's hard to read to come up with anything really poignant to say no, no, that's that's fine. I completely get it. I think it is important that we stand tall

in our convictions. And I also think, like you were kind of alluding to, as there is a time and a place to broach these type of things. You know, maybe not walk into way Buffalo and wild wings and get on the microphone and announce the earth this flight, But if you're having a conversation, like maybe when you had your pardon your neighbor over that one time, maybe that would have been a good time to kind of drop a

flatter's just to see what kind of reaction you get. But I'm sure that's still in your mind, and maybe you will broach it with them down down the road. Oh yeah, I think so for sure. Maybe just not the first time we have met. Yeah, that's that it's their first time. Sure you want to feel that out. But again, thank you so much for sharing your story. And Carly's email address will be in the show notes, so if you want to reach out with any questions, homeschool questions,

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