Episode 134: Flat Earth Conversation with Emma

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further ado, let's bring on a very special guest for this evening. Joining us from Vancouver Island is Emma. Emma, how are you doing tonight? Hey, George, I'm great, so thrilled to finally be here. Yeah, we've been conversing for quite some time, and it's really great to meet you. We've been swapping stories back and forth and even with the voicemails, which was kind of cool. So it's great to have you. Why don't

you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, sure. So my name is Emma, and I am first and foremost a mother to four daughters, which is the most incredible thing that's ever happened in my life and the whole reason for everything I do. I'm also an instructor, I teach French language, and I obviously I am a troop speaker and have been for

a long long time. I was thinking earlier today how to go back to when this all start, and I think I'd have to go right back to my early days being born in the prairies in Saskatchewan and living on the farm. So I was born there in nineteen seventy eight to parents who were pretty down to the earth, salt earth, salt of the earth people. My

father was the farmer there and my mom was raising the kids. So I have a large amount of siblings and back at the earliest days my journey to flat Earth, I'll bring it back around and so I'll living on that farm, I knew that the earth was flat, and we had chickens, we had cows, horses. And I think the story for many people is that once we go into the education system, of course, that truth that we knew in our senses, when we could tune into our senses, that it

gets beaten out of us. And so when I did, you know, just six months ago, come around to flat Earth, it was like and I was crying and sobbing because I just came back into my body, George, and I knew, I knew what I always knew, and I returned to that little toddler that was looking up and seeing the sun moving overhead. I knew the sun was moving overhead. And to have been I feel like robbed of that for over forty years of my life. I'm forty five years

old. Now. It's a real shame, and there's some frustration and anger there, but I do want to say that it's mostly calm now coming around to the truth, and there's a lot of joy and freedom in rediscovering this for people. And so my hope is that people can rediscover this and tune back into their body and their senses, because most all y'all you knew and

it got beaten out of you. So what else can I say? So I grew up on the farm, and then all of my siblings and my parents we packed it up out of Saskatchewan and said goodbye and moved to the West Coast. So I grew up on the West Coast here. I had

a pretty free childhood. I'm of the generation where I didn't even have an email address until I started college, so that was you know, I'm not both one foot and one generation, and the tech side only started once I left high school, right and pretty quickly after high school, I moved to France and lived there for many years actually, and perfected the language because I

didn't nobody speaks French on the West coast of Canada. I know people think Canadians speak French, but we don't, especially on the West coast, we did not. I always loved the language, so I moved to France to be able to speak it, and I since returned and I've been teaching French and raising my kids. And that was really forwarded years too, but probably when I was looking back today, like when this all started for me, Yeah, nine to eleven, that's pretty formative. I was twenty three years

old when that happened. That was probably the first and I didn't know at the time, right, it was obviously something pretty scary. Later on I discovered, okay, inside job, so that's kind of the big first conspiracy, but not becoming a conspiracy theorist. I think it goes back to more for me of being raised by salt of the Earth people and a mom who cooked everything from scratch and my dad who was farming. Just having a more

natural lifestyle, more holistic upbringing. Probably, yeah, that was kind of that would have opened me to this easier to see. I'm surprised it took me forty five years, but did. But I do know, like how I had my kids, and you know, I was fortunate enough to go to my family doctor when I got pregnant with my first kid at twenty four years old, and he said, why don't you go with the midwives?

And I really think that was the pivotal moment for me, is when I was referred out of the care of a doctor into the hands of midwives. I went on to have three more kids. Three of my four were born at home with midwives, and then the last kid was born at home, unassisted, without any goal. Yeah, and that was, you know, aside from coming to flat Earth, that was probably the best moment of my life was giving birth on my own terms to my fourth daughter at home,

surrounded by only the people that knew her and loved her already. Just one of the most formative moments of my life. To do that on my own power, that's amazing. Yeah. So this feels kind of similar coming around to flat Earth now, So what else can I say. I'm a knower. I like to know things. And it was actually the father of my kids who put me onto the idea of nine to eleven being an inside job,

which is kind of funny. So that was maybe, like I would say, a couple of years after it happened, so two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine in there, and then just again going back to how I was raised and raising my own kids, home birth, no vaccine, none of that. So I've kind of been aware mostly to the pharmaceutical agenda in my life early on, and having midwives to have the babies.

It kind of steered me down that path. So I think I was already on the holistic home birth path and then was more aware of what the deeper agendas were in the world because I was on the other side of it, right, Uh, what else can I say? Yeah, those are the formative years of raising the girls, and of course and the pandemic hits.

So I'm already aware of having not vaccinated my children, already fighting with the school boards here in Canada because they want us to submit our vaccine records for all children into the school board in twenty nineteen, to know every little detail through the schools about which shots your kids have and which they don't, which I rejected wholesale. And there was a group of people and locally who were also against that and not wanting the school to have anything to do with our

medical decisions. And so that was twenty nineteen, and we were wondering at the time, although some of us sensed it, like what is this all about? Why are they pushing so hard to have these records in into the schools. And so when the pandemic hit, we were all of us, the group of day thirty of us locally, we were like, Okay,

here it is, here we go. So I had that kind of under my belt, and when that happened, I knew and I never believed for even a second that this was a virus that was to take everybody out, that I never ever thought that I actually had foresight to know that the masking would be on children's faces and across all of our faces. I saw that coming big as a house before it ever got here. And at the time, I was teaching middle school French, and how do you teach pronunciation and

the language with maths all over everybody's faces? And I just got quite fearful at that point, thinking that, hey, I can't teach like this, and be I don't want to teach like this anymore. So when everything shut down in March twenty twenty, I left the system. I did not go back. When they called us back, I didn't keep teaching. I said no, and I went out on my own and have done okay. But I do miss the system. But I've been teaching freelance ever since. I

do love my middle schoolers. I love that age. It's when their eyes are opening up to the world and they can see the world for what it is and they start to see the world, and it's a beautiful age to teach. But it wasn't my path to continue down there, so you can ask me some questions, George, but I think that's about the backstory there. What a great point you made, you know, it is interesting, you know the children they see the world for what it is, and it

takes adults telling them, no, you're seeing or wrong. This is really how it is. And that's really sad when you think about it. Yeah, and we knew, and we always had that knowing, So to have it stomped out and take it away, I just think it's the greatest crime of humanity. If I'm frank, Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And some of the emotions that you went through during your awakening with flat Earth were very similar to mine. For some people they kind of say, yeah,

I kind of knew, and it took a day. Yours was more like me. It took me two weeks, and I went to all this whole range of emotions between anger, sadness, and disbelief, but a lot of anger, because you know, part of it was self anger, as in, I can't believe I allowed them to fool me for the first whatever forty eight years of my life. I allowed them to get something so silly over me. Like Santa Claus, we're just kid about that, but this whole

spinning on the ball and everything else, that's for real. So I was kind of disappointed because I consider myself I've always been, for the latter part of my life, a critical thinker. A lot of the things I did in my professional life you have to be a critical thinker. You have to be a problem solver. And even some of the things with radar and things in the military I was involved with, I think back now and say that wouldn't work on the globe. So it is frustrating and I do feel cheated

out of a good portion of my life. But with that being said, we're still I tend to say we're the two or three percent that really gets it. And it did bring me at least I saw it right. I didn't go through my whole life without not understanding the true realm we live in. And I do appreciate when I go outside and I study the moon like I have it before, and the trees and everything else. So I did get over that, and obviously I felt it was so important that maybe we

should start a podcast. And it's great to know there's so many other people out there, like yourself who agree that this is an important topic that needs to be discussed. Yeah, beautiful, George. And I was put on to you by just some friends on Facebook that said, oh, we started listening to this flat Earth Files podcasts and I was like no, And I

just gobbled it up as soon as I could find you on Spotify. So also being a teacher too, I found that the I like audio books and I'm into audio, and I work a lot with hearing and speaking and here and speaking, So to get this without all the visuals all the time, you know, people love flat ears because they need the visuals, I'm the opposite. I really needed to hear regular people talking about how they came to this and connect with them and it kind of feel like that talk show feeling.

That was amazing for me, So to all the previous people that came before me, like it's so good to feel connected to you. And I've messaged a few of you, and I would love to connect to all of y'all, and I just feel like it's an amazing community and so much brightness and hope for the future. Like I don't feel depressed, George, I just feel great, Like I have the whole second half of my life yet to live in this knowing like it's in deep, deep knowing. I look

up at the moon. I never even saw the dark spots of the moon until I was forty five years old. I'd never studied them or thought about it. Forty five years old and never knew that in Australia they were seeing the opposite version from us. Yeah, it's crazy, it is, it is. It's funny. You mentioned Saskatchewan. Our family came across this little Canadian comedy show, corner Gas, and that was kind of a favorite at ours for a couple of years. You know, Saskatchewan, that's a pretty

rural place. So you had a rural upbringing for the most part, would you say, yeah, well until age five when we packed up and moved gent to Vancouverway Coast. Good five years of running around on the farm. I think there was one stoplight in the town. I grew up in, small town. Oh, got true, And maybe there's a couple now it's a bit bigger there. But yeah, to go from that to a fairly

big city on Vancouver Island here was quite a shift. I did a study recently, and when I say recently, it could have been thirty days or six months ago. I don't really recall, but this whole going to the hospital. And again I'm not telling anybody what to do. Everybody has their own thing. But I'm real blessed that my son and my daughter in law they have done the same thing. They use a midwife, they use I

believe it's a water birth, no vaccines. None of the children are vaccinated, and you can just tell they're grounded and they I'm so thankful for that. And I tell people and again I'm not a woman, I don't give birth, so but at the same time, that is something that we did

for sixty five hundred years. Up until the last couple of hundred years, we didn't go to a hospital certainly, And again I think they like us to think that people back prior to say, the eighteen hundreds were just dumb, right, and they were out of touch, and look at us now, we're so much smarter, and in a way, I think it's completely backwards. What are your thoughts on that, yeah, or that you know, we've always don forever that the Earth is a globe? What are you

talking about? And that's just not true and it's right in by the people. I know, the eighty year olds. My father who just passed away actually on Christmas eve eighty eight years old. When he was a kid, they were learning that the world was flat. So you can't just say that this is something we've known forever and ever. It's it's a fairly recent thing, and most people don't know that, and they talk about the sticks and aritosites and that guy. That's just not the reality of what it was.

And how quickly, in a matter of you know, a couple of decades, it's just gone, and it's we're brainwashed and we're back to square one, one hundred percent. And then you had mentioned the pharmaceutical agenda, and that's that's such a big one. I mentioned today to somebody. If you look American Airlines was one of the big airlines that if you don't get vaccinated,

you're gone, and they lost thousands of them employees. Well they're you know, their top shareholder is Vanguarden Blackrock, And then you look who the top shareholder of Pfizer is and it's Blackguard and van Rock and sorry, Vanguard and Blackrock. And you try to tell people look deeper, look at the agenda. You know, it's the no beverages permitted inside, but when you get inside the ballpark, you're paying thirteen dollars for a soda. It's similar

to the same type of deal. It's a manipulation, and I was a little disappointed in the pushback. There was some pushback. I was said to see the church's close, the school's close, and the poor children who graduated in twenty twenty. That's still to this day. And every six months on my other podcast, I play something called the Voices of COVID, and I play all the ridiculous clips from getting your free burger and fries and churches,

you know, pastors getting arrested. Because I don't want anybody to ever forget. And I get this as the Flatter files, but anytime I have a chance to speak on this, I don't want anyone to ever forget what they did to us. You know, you're not essential yep. And I heard you talk about your wife and being a medical worker. But like it happened everywhere in the schools too. In the agendas, all the agendas push forward at the same time. And now we're looking at of course, gender ideology

very rampant across Canada, even more so than in the States. Believe it or not up here. So you know, in my fourteen year old daughter's class, there are three other girls who are now boys, three in one classroom, George, and I'm like, what the hell is going on here?

It just ruled out so quick, and because of COVID, like you often see that people woke up, and I actually see a bit of the opposite that because of COVID, everything else was able to push forward as well, and we, you know, lost a lot more of our innate knowing and just kind of went with after being scared so bad by COVID dot me just go with whatever they tell us now, and that you know, happens to be at school, Like your ten year old says that they're not a

boy or they're not a girl, and we're just supposed to be like, Okay, that's the way it is and that's what's happening now, and the school board says so, and people just kind of hop in line. So I do have hope for the future, and I do see that it will people up, but I also see a lot of that fear that got people in every area of their life. I don't want to gloss over what you

just mentioned. You said there was three children in your daughter's class that have changed, you know, air quotes here for the listeners changed to genders. Yeah, and all girls, George, there's something going on there. It's all the girls that want to be boys. And are these like like junior high or is it high school? Well, no, it's middle school. I mean it's starting for several of them at about ten eleven, age eleven,

I would say, is the start of it. And no prior history of gender dysphoria too, which is just mind boggling, Like how did you get to that if you've never felt until now at eleven? Like, I get it, kids that feel that they're born in the wrong body, and those kids, yeah, let's help them. But the vast majority, it's not the case. It's almost like a trend that gets jumped on it at

grade six or grade seven. That's that's pretty shocking here in that because I'm assuming the class is probably what twenty five children, twenty six I think in that classroom twenty six. Yeah, wow, that's that's pretty shocking. You. I mean, obviously we don't know the exact answer. Do you think it's the way society presents itself with television and the TikTok and video games and

all these type of things. Where do you think it's the vaccines or do you think it's something in the water, or is it a combination of everything. It's a bunch of everything. But I think there's a real sort of

nefarious background of the pharmaceutical industry. Once you get a kid on all those hormones or whatever's needed from age eleven age twelve, that's you know, I think the stop, I forget the stop, but maybe several million for their lifetime that they're going to be paying out to Farma to continue that opposite gender for their life. Yeah, that's a great point role in it. It's got to be. Yeah, they have a customer for life. That's a great point. Yeah, and you look at it now. I'm kind of

you guys don't have the the Pfizer commercials on your TV? Is that true? Yeah? I don't even watch TV anymore, George, But as far as I know, it is New Zealand and the United you guys, that's what I was tracking. I'm surprised that hasn't changed yet. But it's amazing when you see these commercials. You know, if you're losing hair, you have exema. You know, there's this miracle drug. Although you may have a stroke or all these other side effects which you don't worry about it.

They have a medicine for that too, so no worries. Yeah, and actually that was I think. Another wake up for me is when we did move out West, I got caught up on a bunch of vaccines that I had maybe a couple as a baby on the farm, but once we were going to the bigger school in the big city, got caught up on a bunch of stuff and from age six, I mean I had exzema like you

said on my arms. I also had hives all over my body and like migrains for a whole year after those shots, and I did actually faint in the I remember at the school waking up in the nurses room. I was given those jobs and I think that they're well. The doctor confirms it now he's still friends of mine, our family doctor. But encephalitis, which is brain swelling that happened to me as a six year old. I used to bang my head to sleep every night against my pillow because my freaking brain was

on fire. After those a bunch of shots, I got right, and then of course you know, dealing with yeah, ADHD pretty much my whole life, but no diagnosis till my late thirties. Like my brain was on fire as a six year old. And so coming around to vaccining my own kids, I knew I'd had a bad reaction as a kid, but I wasn't really clear on all of it. But hives, exzema, My family is apparently prone to all that stuff. But you know, when you don't

vaccinate, then those hives and eczema, those things aren't happening. So I know for a fact, I mean I didn't vaccinate any of my kids, and then my siblings' kids do have asthma exima exima and have had skin issues with hives too. But if you take out the vaccines, then maybe you can avoid some of that. Those people that are genetically predisposition perhaps to have those conditions, if you remove the vaccines, they don't manifest. And you

know, it's interesting. In a conversation I had earlier today, you know, we at the beginning of this podcast, we were talking about how they want you to believe that, you know, flat earth is something new. It's just this new siop, you know, people since you know, Aristothanes or even Copernicus, for at least five hundred years, people knew it's been on. You know, we're living on a ball. Well, you know,

that same lie applies to the vaccine agenda. If you go, if you go to Google and put in anti vaccine posters from like the eighteen hundreds, there were actual there's posters all over the place with a snake stay away from it. There were actual entire movements anti vax movements, you know, anti vax meeting at the local pub that this is nothing new. They want

you to believe that. And here's the other thing that they do. They correlated to right, crazy flat earth, crazy anti vaxer, and how they manipulate people's mind and the length they go to do these psychological operations on us is mind boggling. Yeah, but it's funny because Justin Trudeau woke a lot of Canadians up to flatter Earth. I guess it was last March, and I know Georgie did some work on that. I went and watched your video.

Yeah, I have lots of friend saying well, I wasn't a flat earth til Trudeau said that they were the crazies and then they look into it and now here we are. Yeah. Sometimes they overplay their hand, which brings you all the way back around to COVID. I can't tell you how many people I've interviewed I've talked to on the phone email where COVID was really a turning point in their life when they said, wait a second, this,

something's not right here, something's something's wrong. Yeah. And if I hadn't met the people that I met during COVID, when we all rallied together, I would never have come to flat Earth because it was thanks to those freedom fighters. You know. I was out there protesting too with all the best of them, and a couple of them were posting about flat Earth. So of course I was like laughing, chuckling at them, right, But

I trusted these people. I love these people. So something inside me said, well that's gross, Emma, why would you laugh at your friends? And so something pushed me to look into it about six months ago. And I'm forever grateful to those gals who were piping up on their Facebook page about it, because I, I don't know, it triggered something in me to look beyond and just stop the mocking of others. Right, And the cool thing is once you get into this rabbit hole, it opens your mind everything

else. Like, there's very few things I have kind of rolled my eyes at over the last you know, four or five years, even some of the most fringe topics, because again, right, how is it that you can be mocked about flat Earth? But for in most cases it's it's fairly acceptable to have a conversation about aliens like the green men coming from galaxies far far away. Right, That's that's how much effort they put into these syops. Yeah, and also I think I didn't really want having children of my

own. I didn't want to accept the pedicilia and the underground, Like I just didn't want to even accept that there were humans alive that behaved that way. And I think flat Earth is scary for me because it meant that everything, all of that probably is happening. So that was kind of scary, but at the same time then very freeing to know the realm that I lived on and how it actually was. But so some fear and some disgust that

are old humankind really, and then a lot of freedom. Yeah, there is quite an abuse of power, and sadly they have gone above and beyond to create a matrix that makes us. I got an email to let me put it this way. I got an email today from a young lady. I won't say her name, but I mean, she works all day and she feels that the same thing that we talk about, right, she's away from her children all day. They're at a school with other people molding their

mind. And she knows that she gets it. But it's the system, you know, it's the game we're playing. We're in a casino with their rules, and she understands that, you know, it sucks her situation. But at the same time, she's aware, she's awake, she gets it now, so she's able to have those conversations with her children. But again, at the same time, with a system that they've built for us, we miss out a lot on our children's most important Like you said, when

they're at that age, when they're molding their mind. In many cases it's in the hands of other people. Yeah, I'm so grateful to sit home with my children until they went to public school at aage five, and then it's just been a total undoing of like, Okay, so you learned that at school, and now this is how it might be well, let's talk about this, now you learn this, and let's hear this. So there's been a lot of undoing on my part. And I did consider homeschooling.

I know you're a big fan of homeschooling, and I am too. I'll support anyone to homeschool as I can, but being a single mom to these four kids, I had to keep working. Sure, I'm a teacher. I figured I could help them with some of their academics when they needed it, But there is a lot of undoing talk that has to happen. Yeah, and even approaching this topic of flat earth with my teenager right now,

I have four daughters. So the first daughter has moved out, does her own thing, and then my second oldest daughter is going to be seventeen sent and she just rolls her eyes at me. I'm sure, but I think the odd tidbit that I say might be landing with her over there. She loves the moon, she makes her moon water, and I think I've just got her thinking a bit more critically about what that could be as opposed to

just yeah. I really hope that I've instilled in my kids to ask questions and be a critical thinker and not just accept it for what it is at face value and seen that through the way we live, which is very different than the vast majority of people out there. Spot on and listen the home

schoolers, and I'm sure most people listening understand they know the deal. Many of the programs that we use, we have to do the same thing we use Monarch Coop and their science class is very much because at the same time, I do want them to learn like, this is what the other children are being taught. I don't want my daughter to go to high school and be like, what do you mean the man went to the moon? That's not true, you know what I'm saying. I want her to learn that

this is what they're being taught. But at the same time, I go through the same thing you go through. At the end of the day, we have to go back and say that, you know, nothing's perfect, the textbooks aren't perfect, that this is what we believe. And at the same time I want her to mold her own mind and have her own journey as well, so she knows both and she'll choose her own path totally. But the eleven and fourteen year old are much more malleable and much more open

to these conversations than they ask questions. And they're coming to me all the time, a lot of but how can that be? How can that be? And not wanting to believe. But then you know, we talk about the sun or the moon or the sky and what they're seeing or the tides. We have all these discussions and they're coming around to it to see that maybe it's not what they're being taught, and then I hope they'll question that then everything that I'm being taught, and that's just going to keep their mind

open. Well for you to have come to flatter ear if you had to put your guard down and look into it, what was there a video or something that really pushed you over the edge. And you know, whenever you got done listening, reading, or you know, watching, you said, yeah, that the Earth is flat? Yeah. So first it was a beautiful documentary and I hope that most of your listeners probably have watched it.

He did such a wonderful job. He's an Englishman by the name of You Are and On And it's been mentioned lots of time on the show, but the Lost History of Flat Earth it's hours and hours long. You guys. But it's brilliant if you could just when you're washing the dishes or doing your laundry, stick that in your ear and be you know, there's a lot of visuals. He does do so a lot of visual work, and that I'm I'm so happy that I started with that because of the visuals that I

did get from that documentary. And then I went onto podcasts. But those initial visuals that he did of the sun moving overhead, like I thought, I was just sobbing because it always confused me, like we we are not moving? How can that be? I always knew the sun was moving, but it wasn't until I watched this documentary that it hit me like a ton of bricks, like there it is, wow, and there it is. And so if you can get the visual on the audio for the first time

into it, it's a bit of a massive undertaking this documentary. But man, I'm so thankful to my two or three friends that all of them said, yeah, I watched this documentary and I was like, seven hours, how am I gonna do that? But I was hooked and just like this innate knowing that came back and flooded my system and my senses. It was really beautiful. Highly recommend I always tell people to watch that in one hour increments, and they usually get back to me and they say, I tried,

but I ended up watching three or four hours. Usually people will consume it in one or two days. That guy has such a tremendous voice held he should be edited, you know, doing voiceovers for books. Absolutely boy, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, right, yeah right, incredible voice. But yeah, I can't imagine video with such hard work. I can't imagine how many weeks it took him to put that thing together. But you know, I have it on my channel as well, and it's got

over one hundred thousand views. That video has changed so many people's lives, so you know, definitely shout out to how do you say? Is it? He were in you are and on you are ewar A N O N. And he doesn't just talk about flat earth, you know, he talks about like our whole lost history. Yep, tartaria some people are calling it, but like the ether and the free energy sources before and likely that we're

being used. I was just again, I knew and this is going to be a crazy story, but I'll share it as a little kid in my room at night, wearing the little lighties of the eighties that were all polyester, right, the sparks of light that came off like the if you moved in the static electricity, especially when they came right out of the dryer.

Yeah, exactly right of the dryer. Right. So as six seven year old kid, and I'm seeing these sparks, and I was so excited by it, and I just started sobbing a couple of weeks ago because I came back to that memory and there it is like our Earth is electromagnetic, electrostatic, all of that, you know, gravity being bunk theory, Like it's already all there, and it was already all there for our ancestors, and they were using it and then it just got crushed and taken away from us.

Again. A lot of anger and frustration myself, yes, but also you know the people that those who control from above, they've taken all that away from us too. So I don't totally blame myself. I'll take some

accountability for I know you're pretty good about that George thing. You know, I can't believe I let myself down in but I still have, yeah, frustration and anger at the controllers as you call them, and and yeah, I don't know, still coming around in a great sense of freedom and no regrets, Like I still have a whole second half of my life to live knowing these truths. Yeah, we can't live in regret because we're just wasting more time. Yeah, one hundred percent. I had another question, and

to slip my mind, what was I going to ask you? Oh my goodness, yes, yeah, let me just say too about so after I watched that initial documentary of you know, seeing the visuals and hearing that guy's great voice, I then purchased Dave Weiss's Flat Earth app and what I found the most helpful in there was the access to the short YouTube videos that I'm never going to find in my own because the algorithms are all messed up. Now. I didn't come into flatters when we could still see those things on

YouTube. You know, you've got no anyone looking at flat Earth now if you don't get help, if you're not on the right path, and you don't get sent to the flatter society, which is bogus, if you don't have the right people guiding you, or Dave Weiss's Flatter Earth, I'm so grateful to Dave because those little clips three minutes, four minutes, eight minutes on YouTube, not going to find them on my own and if you go into them, you can look them up by topic, right yep. So

that was brilliant. Even just in educating and sharing with my friends on my Facebook page, I was able to pop up YouTube videos and people really like that. So that was the second place that I went. I had questions about those flights in this other hemisphere hemisphere, I had questions about the tides, and it's all perfectly laid out in his app. So just really like not the eight hour dotorm menary, George, but you know, a for

minute clip. People can handle that and bite pize pieces. Right. Yeah, that's really important And Dave, I'll get emails all the time to ask questions about the Southern hemisphere, meteors and things like that, and I'll reply back sometimes with links to the playlist directly from the app, because for some people video is important and that's I was concerned when I started the podcast, you know, talking flat Earth, talking flatterth how well you know it would

succeed. Luckily we found a niche and bringing people on and sharing their stories, But at the same time, video can be very helpful to explain to people as well. What I was going to ask you was your success stories. Have you had success sharing flat Earth with other people? Yeah? So, I as much as I'm passionate about this topic, I don't post it publicly. So I've got a large following of parents from all around the world. I'm also the founder of Human Milk for Human Babies Global Network, which

is a breast milk sharing network that was founded in twenty and ten. So for my livingom in Montreal, all I got together about three hundred and fifty women on Facebook. We all formed groups and pages on Facebook of where a mom who needs breast milk can go to her fellow mom in the same city as her, maybe four kilometers down the road, and get breast milk if she needs it. So those mothers all around the world, I mean,

it's a global network. I'm connected to all those parents around the world, and I'm just moved here to tears in a minute here, George, But that's amazing. It looks like you guys are having a yeah, a conference in Austin, Texas in April. Well, that might be the milk banking. So this is quite separate from the hospital based milk banking. Just it's like peer, peer to peer breast milk sharing. It's out there. You

do not need hospitals or doctors or even midwives. You can find your local mom on a Facebook page, just like you go up some baby clothes that she's done with. You connect to these parents and mothers. Often with all the breast pumps around these days, they express their milk and then they have baggies of it sitting in their freezer that they're never gonna get they're not gonna get used. So they're so happy to find a local mom who needs some

breast milk. You go into your house, you see your healthy baby on her hip. You know she's well. She can give you her prenatal bloodsreading records, and next thing you know, you're feeding your baby breast milk, and then your breastfeeding a bit better because you had that mom's advice and her help. Next thing you know, you're donating milk now to the next mom. And that's something that I'm very proud of in a huge legacy for mothers

all around the world that we started back in twenty ten. That's been going on since twenty ten outside the system, not hospital based milk banking. I got you. I found you surprised Human Milk. The number for Human Babies Global Network on Facebook. It looks like you have like eighty thousand followers. Well, that's the global page. And then like I said, it's all

the provinces, all the territories, all the states. It's probably over sixty countries around the world on Facebook. So we took the platform of Facebook and use something evil, which is Facebook for good. And now babies are getting milk all around the world from their local moms. That's great and that's exactly what we're doing right now that you know, technology can be used against people. But at the same time, we're taking you know, Satan's tools and

we're using it against him. So kudos to you for doing that. I can see a little emotional when you're discussing that, how much it means to you, and you should be very proud of that accomplishment. Yeah, and those moms Georgia, I want to say, those are still my friends on Facebook. So they've trusted me since twenty ten to feed their babies essentially or get the milk, or they helped other moms get milk. So that's a

real trust that people have in me. And I was quite careful for many weeks, I will say, before I even spoke publicly about this, because I was just so jostled by it all. But I think because they have that trust in me, they were like, what is Emma talking about?

Yeah, she's nuts. Okay, we've always known she's nuts, but let's dig into this because it's Emma. And so because I have the trust of those parents, I think that they're looking into this now, and many of them are telling me they are, and have joined me on messenger groups, private chats when they're too scared to ask a question on my page. It is all private, so it's not out there in the public. It's just my friends. But I have five thousand Facebook friends who are seeing these crazy

ass posts from Emma. In the seventies and eighties, you know, the formula became a big deal because you know, mom was working and everything else. How important is you know, Listen, I'm not a subject matter expert on this as well, got five children, But what difference does it make in a child's life from having, you know, formula from I forget the name brand Nfemo, maybe that's one of the brands, or actually getting milk.

Yeah, So we kind of look at the breast milk sharing as like a stopgap, Like if you can't breastfeed your own baby and you'd rather have human milk than powdered infant formula, great, there's that step, But of course nothing compares to cradling your child at your breast and nursing your breast, your own breast, your own child, your own baby. And it's not really just about caloric content or the nutrients and breast milk. It's about so

much more. So when we did disconnect mom from babies and she went to work and we did provide an alternative for feeding the baby, but those babies are missing out on that cuddle, the warmth, the heartbeat of the mom. All of that counts and is probably ninety eight percent of it more important than even the nutrients going into the baby. So we really disconnected mothers from breastfeeding, were disconnected generations from breastfeeding, so that they hadn't seen breastfeeding going

on around them, They didn't know how to breastfeed their own babies. Most of us in my generation didn't know how to breastfeed, hadn't seen it unless they went to a lit light chi leag meeting, which thankfully, my mom was a late chileg leader, so I got exposed to all of that, and she breastfed all of her kids. But a lot of people don't have moms that breastfed their own babies, so it's a total disconnect. It's a real shame. And then you go in to have your baby in the hospital

now and speeding advice that they give you just sabotages you. And so many moms come to the network to try and get breast milk because their own breastfeeding relationship was sabotaged. It's a real mess. Well, like everything else, I wouldn't be shocked. And again I know there's great doctors out there,

just like there's great teachers out there, court and everything else. And when we talk about education and things like that, I talk more about the system than the individuals who go into the professions wanting to make a difference and help

people. But again, I know, like when we had our child in Colorado or last one, like they sent you out the door with like m femil and these type of things the little sample things because again that's business, right, there's no business in nursing, but there's a huge Oh my gosh, I remember how much formula costs back in the day. I can't even imagine what it costs today. Yeah, the cost, the pharmaceutical industry that's producing it, all of that behind it. Again, I lived in France,

so that's pretty close to the home of Neslei. So I mean, people think that women are very liberated in breastfeeding a lot in France, but it's the home of Neslei and powdered different. Formula is like second nature and everybody just does it and goes back to work. It was hard to raise my first daughter in France seeing all that around me, where I was so

committed to breastfeeding. I did find Lalita League in France and I met some wonderful women there, and that was my first kid and that happened in France, which is surprising because it was difficult to breastfeed through that. But again, finding like minded parents, like minded peers, just like with this topic, source them out because out there you don't think they're out there, but

we're definitely out here. Yeah, I don't remember if it was a radio show or a podcast last year as in twenty twenty two, last year, I guess the year before last. Abbot Laboratories out of Chicago is like the biggest maker of baby formula. And there you go. I'm telling you they are Abbot, Mead and Nestley and actually Neslie you just mentioned. They're like number three in the world. And if you look at the other things that they're affiliated with, it should make you kind of, you know, raise

your eyebrows a little bit. Yeah. And the disconnect from home birth or natural birth, and the disconnect from breastfeeding again lifelong customers of the pharmaceutical industry, because you're treating all of these symptoms and ailments and illnesses that come through when we don't tune into our bodies and when we don't earth at home or we don't you know, breastfeed at the breast and have your child there. It's just I can't say it enough. It's not really about calories or milk.

It's so much about the love being touch of a caregiver. Amen to that. And if you go to their website, I'll put that in as part of the show notes ABA dot com. They're third. You know they have the rotating screen at the top. You know, we make the world's best formula. The third one is the virus hunt. See how we're partnering with experts from around the world to slow the next pandemic. Yeah, and

they got them. They got moms all around the world. They don't have confidence to breastfeed their own babies because they're seeing these ads of these incredible violin players that are you know, nourished by formula. And look how smart your baby's going to be. So many people fall for it, and they don't have to submit support networks in place to be able to breastfeed. Yeah,

and all that goes to psychological operations. They know how to create people think commercials are you know, created by a couple of twenty five year old knuckleheads that just got out of college. These people are in the know, and they've been in They study people like Edward Burnet's and Joseph Goebbels, who knew how to manipulate minds and to create an agenda and to push that agenda forward and between commercials and movies and videos and the news which is meant to scatter

people north east, west, south that's what news stands for. That's what it really does. It divides and conquers, and it's all smartly combined to you know, really carry out this evil agenda. And it goes back to what you talked about earlier with I'm still in shock that there's children at that age who have with their I'm assuming, with their parents' permission, you know, just you know, I don't want to be a girl anymore. I'm

a boy, and that is just it's hard for me to swallow. Here's the thing, though, George, Unfortunately those kids, a lot of them haven't told their parents, and so you're left to parents like me that you know, they're friends with my daughter and I call them one name, but I know that at home the parents are not calling them by that name. Gotcha? How does that sit right with anyone? How can I go to the pool with that mom knowing that she's calling her daughter one name and I'm

calling her son something else. It's the big mind warp out there, and that's what we're up against. It's psychological operations, is really what it is. And that's the most important thing. Right. They make the lies so big that people will doubt, you know, how can that come on? Are you kidding me? How could all those people be in it together about covering up the moon when in fact it was a handful of people in the

know. And it's the same with everything else. It's it's compartmentalization. Yeah, are in the freedom movement. You have a lot of people calling flat earth a syop itself, which just makes me chuckle because I'm like, you, guys, it's not a sy op. This this is the big one. They're like, no, no, it it's just a syop to divide us. It just it makes me laugh. I mean, I was there too, George, I get it. I was right sure, laughing at the whole thing. But and you know, the miles and distance that you

travel once you realize it's flat, we don't. We kind of forget that, and we're smacked by all this, and now we're in this new realm and we maybe don't have as much compassion for them. We almost it's like it's blurred out of our memories that where that place we once were to get to this point, it's gone. So I want to recommend to yes, you guys talk about breadcrumbs, given little tidbits. I think that's probably still

the best strategy because it's shell shocking, it is. And I also realized that if the person's not ready to listen to something, and it could be advice, it could be you know, truth smacking, right, it can be nine to eleven, it could be flat earth if those people aren't a position, or they're not ready to hear that, or they just don't want their life like they're good, they're happy in their life and they don't want

their life to be turned upside down. You could come up with the evidence in your hand, right, just like the fingerprints on the gun, and they're still not going to listen to you. Yeah, So those that are scared, and I get that many are, I've just shared with them how freeing it is to get to this truth. And once you get to the other side, Yeah, you're going to be shocked, you're going to be

destabilized, but then after that there's this great freedom. And so I often talk about that on my Facebook page too, so that people can get yet, Okay, there's light at the end of the tunnel, and this isn't all doom and gloom. No, it's a beautiful, wonderful earth. And here we all are on it. Yeah, but they love to conquer and divide us. This is you know here in the United States. It's twenty twenty four, so they've already started with the Biden's going to step down and

who's going to come in? And you know Biden, whoever runs Biden is not texting whoever is running. Biden's Twitter account is always dropping divisive things. And I think once again, we're going to get to the summer and it's going to get silly again. And you know, yeah, it all goes back to understanding where you live and not allowing other people to control your happiness.

And if you buy into the whole left right narrative and all the other things that they have created to divide us, then again you're allowing other people to control your emotions. And you've already lost if you allow that to happen. Yeah, And it took me a long time too to get rid of the politics of my life. My father was a politician in Saskatchewan as well, growing up for the basically the equivalent of the Democrats on the left side, we called the NDP. He was a politician for about a decade in

there. So finally to let that go and just know that it's, you know, the same bird, two wings of the same bird. That took a long time too, but that was about seven years ago for me that I gave up on politics altogether, mostly watching my American friends fight over yeah, Trump and all that. So that kind of quickly, pretty quickly woke me up. But I had this sort of you know upbringing that left wing is good. Dad's a politician and finnally my father, May he rest in

peace. In his days in politics, he was fighting against floride. So that's the kind of stock that I'm from as a politician, a backbenture politician and Saskatchewan, Yeah, fighting against florid in the water and trying to spread the evils of floride and get people to wake up. And I was sure they thought he was crazy too, But I come from that stock. So it's not really surprising when you consider that my dad was so into natural health.

He was really fit. He got to age eighty eight, took all of his vitamins, was physically active, always running our boxer dogs around the track at the park. Just a real inspiration to me too. And I'm sure that's part of my journey, is that he was such a health nut that I could go nowhere but down the health path. So I'm very very grateful to him. God bless your dad. And I know he probably caught a lot of the same flac that we do, you know, trying to

speak about flat earth. I mentioned that to family members, and I get the are you kidding me? If it wasn't for fluoride in our water. You know, look what it's done for these First World countries and their teeth. Of course, it had nothing to do with the advancement of the of dentists, you know, post World War Two and dental care and indoor plumbing and things like that. It was the fluoride and the water. The fact is, and I mentioned this on another podcast just a couple of weeks ago.

You know, they take their wastes from petroleum to make tupperware, to make a place to cups, to make your clothes, and they take the waste from aluminum Alcoa, the country's biggest aluminum manufacture. Fluoride is a waste of aluminum, and instead of bang to get rid of it, they toss in your water and tell you they're looking out for you. Yeah, it's everywhere or even people that believe, you know, in chem trails, they believe in keem trails, But nah, the Earth is not flat, right,

I just don't get that. Right. They're lying about everything except for the fact we're on a ball that's spending one thousand miles an hour hurling through space, the Sun's ninety three million miles away, you know, just everything. And then again, the people who are Christians, God bless them, Man's explanation completely contradicts the Bible. That's the most frustrating part for me.

I think they say the moon comes from a meteor hitting the Earth, and then the moon broke off and the Sun is all older than the moon. I'm sorry, the Sun is older than the Earth when the Bible is very clear about creating Earth before the sun, you know, making the greater light of the day and the lesser light for the night. And that is something again until the last few years, right, we were all part of that

crew. And that's the one thing where I always got to kind of pinch myself and remember, was like I was part of that crew for a long time, so I understand, I get it. And it's again it goes back to that movie They Live and Roddy Piper's fighting this guy for ten minutes. Please put the glasses on. And it's the same type of feeling you're begging people. Please try to just see for just for a second. Put these on and try to see what I see for just a second, and

of course he puts the glasses on and everything changes. Yeah. I have a girlfriend who's really recommended they live and I haven't watched it yet. And I also think too, I escape some of the brainwashing growing up because I wasn't into Star Wars, even though my older siblings were all into it. I was writing that era, but I didn't get into the space movies or a Star Trek. Maybe watched a bit of v in the nineteen eighties,

but other than that, not the space stuff. So I didn't really have this attachment to NASA or space and I just knew, like when they said, oh, it's probably fake, I'm like, well, of course it's fake. So that was an easy one for me, not hard at all. But the people in my generation and older, even older than you, George, are you know, really hooked on NASA and that moon landing, you know, older than you, So that crew there that you know knew

and saw that they walked on the moon. They're going to be the tough nuts to crack. I think, thankfully I didn't have all of that space stuff, so that was, like I said, easy for me. You know, I'm glad you brought up v because that's something that doesn't get talked about enough. I was big Star Wars, and they capitalized on that with our money because everybody saw the movie. But then they bought the They had action figures and X wing fighters, so people were I always say, we

pay for our own manipulation. But v uh, you know, I thought about it a while ago. They were that TV show which I can't remem remember her name as she ended up going on Chears and she was Sam's girlfriend. She died recently. But I think that was a little bit about disclosure, like with the with the Watchers and the nephilum mating with the humans, because I remember that movie. That was part of the deal was that the

aliens were conceiving with the humans. Yeah, and actually learning. So I'm also like a lifelong atheist too, so coming into this six months ago an academic and atheist was quite a jolt, quite a shocker and I've never studied the Bible more than I have in the last six months. You know, I was as a teenager, Richard Dawkins, that was the way to go right, you just rejected as a teenager, and I was flatly in that

camp for the you know, I'm forty five years old. But to hear on the podcast and that's mostly where I've learned most about the Bible and the Scripture. So thanks a lot for that. What a wonderful book it is and the amount of truth in it. And as an atheist to come to this and realize now, like, okay, so big bang evolution, that's a joke that does not fit anymore with what I know about the world.

So where does that leave me? And so there was a film and people on Facebook they were talking about and I'm actually friends now with the professor that was featured in that film by the Physiops Origins Untold. Yeah they're great. Yeah. So and I was the gal that messaged Sarah Physiock and left this long, long voicemail. I was that Canadian girl that called and like it

really does bring you And I know you guys love to hear this. Those who are Christians that like, where else are you going to go but a creator? So just know that there are a lot of people out there who are atheists their whole life, that this is actually bringing them gosh to the possibility of a creator and God. I mean, I don't know what that looks like because I've never been to church, wasn't raised with any religion. But when you have to just reject Big Bang and evolution and what's left.

So I'm there now at forty five years old, knowing that there's a creator and being like, well what does that mean? Now? Yeah, that is seems to be a common excuse me, a common theme when people realize, like, you know, number one eliminates Big Bang and obviously what they tell us, you know, the earth is billions of years old, and then things like ancient aliens I think is another huge deception. How comes razor?

Which I mentioned earlier? Right, Normally the simplest answer is the correct answer, and if you put up a flat earth versus helio centrism, flat earth is the easiest answer by a mile. Helio centrism is an awful lot of magician's sleight of hand, right, But that's part of it. To have tricked you and bamboozled you. Oh, those smart people, they know best. That's part of the whole game. That's all of it right there. In fact, yeah, one hundred percent. And then I asked myself,

why did we stop evolving? If evolution was a thing, why did we just stop evolving? Right? How come I'm not flying? It should be flying by now. Yeah, And one other proof I wanted to talk about too. So once I watched the Award one documentary and I watched all of Dave Weis's little YouTube playlists. They're all great there. I think. What did it for me though, was and I got onto Jay Tolan,

who's the infrared photographer, the long range infrared photographer. He's featured in the film Origins Untold Ancient Cosmology and looking at the infrared shots, and we're talking like from downtown Toronto up in a plane being able to see over to the Hudson's Bay. For those of you that are in Ontario might know what that means, but I believe it's like one thousand miles, if not kilometers, better fact check me on that. But it's a long way away to be

able to see the edge of the Hudson's Bay. From up in a plane in downtown Toronto. It's far. So when he showed that, I was just like, yeah, the curvature math is not there. It's just not even there. Even if your friend is out on a row boat, okay, on a lake, a large lake or the ocean out there in a boat, they cannot even be two miles away from you, And they should be gone over the edge of the curvature, right they should. And with the P. Nine hundred and P. One thousand, So I saw those

videos and bringing everything back into focus. I mean, we could see twenty miles away, up to twenty miles away that boat out there on the ocean. How is that even possible? So, and there is a lot to be said for the fact that perspective, So that horizon on the end and convergence and the way we see. People have confused that with the edge of the curvature, that horizon that we see where it all comes together. They think that's the curvature. And when people get that, I see it's not

at all that. I think a lot of eyes can open there because they're like, oh, that's not the curve of the Earth. That's just the way our eyes work. So that was a big and talking with people on my Facebook page, I think that's been the easiest way to wake people up is when they realize they've confounded the horizon with the curvature. It's brilliant, really well done, well played indeed, and the P nine hundred, the magic of that, you know, bringing boats back over from the edge was

a big deal too. Are you know that some of the technology has just outgrown the lies. But even with that example, you know, you go to any one of those videos, they're still a hand full of people that just go around. I think that's their full time job, is to go around and mock flat you know, flat earth videos. But we're seeing even further than you could according to curvature, exactly, even further, like forget all the camera stuff. It's right there in front of your eyes and they

just can't see it. And that is cognitive dissonance and it's really hard to break through that. And again, just have grace and compassion for these people because you were once them, exactly, and that is very important to remember. By the way, Toronto, Ontario to Hudson Bay, Saskatchewan is closer to fifteen hundred miles, So yeah, the Hudson's Bay is the big body of water northeast of there, so it's not it won't be Hudson Basaskatchewan,

but it's the Hudson's Bay. It's the original fir dropper go back, it's not so. Yeah, I think you said Saskatchewan, but it didn't saskatchany. But it's probably that far and Jay's got it with his infrared. Cawery's got the edges of it. You can see it, he pointed it out. I don't. I'll get the link or maybe we can get Jay's video up. But yeah, when you could know that you're seeing that far and that the edge of the for Canadians will be like what I know, I

was so but it was probably refresh right. So where do you go from here? A lot? I mean, obviously, listen, you can tell when I get emails from people who are new to flat Earth, like within the last couple of weeks, they'll send me like a two thousand word email about how excited, how changed they are. You're still I mean, I've been at this for four or five years and I'm still very excited. But have you thought about where do you go from here? And maybe what other

rabbit holes, should you like start digging into that. Maybe you were thought we're kind of crazy back then. I think I've done them all, George, the last one. I feel like through COVID there was extra time and all the friends that I was hanging out with. I think this was the last one for me. I think this is it. Do you think there's this all a lot? Do you think there's a chance we can get this mainstream or do you think they will just work harder to suppress people who are

going out there and try to spread the truth. I think we can, and I think maybe we don't even realize how many people are switching on to flat Earth, or maybe that's just wishful thinking. But I think the stats are more than what even they're saying or what we think. I really do feel that. So I have great hope for the future that people you said they overplayed their hand and they're coming through and realizing what went down. But I don't know. This is a big one. It is the biggest one

for me. I don't know. Maybe maybe the pedophiles was the other big one too, So it depends when you cross it. But this, like people have said before, it attaches to so many other conspiracy theories and brings everything else down like this is everything. And that's when my close friends say, they're like, how would everyone be in it? Or why the lie? That's the main one that keeps coming up, right, those things. And when you try to say to someone that's your cognitive dissonance talking, they're

not going to receive that very well either. So again, just be gentle with them and say, yep, I was just like you. I was just like you. How could they all at NASA and all those you know, into the physics, How to all those people, the astronomers at the top? How could they all be in on it? And as we've discussed on the show, they're not very few people at the top know what's going on. The rest of people are just doing their job and following orders.

That's where we heard that before. They have their own little specialty, you know that they do. And it was the same in the military. Did you know because you had mentioned that other rabbit hole that was a big one and hard to swallow. Janet I think her name is Osabard. I'm sure if you went down that rabbit hole, you watched the fall of the Cabal documentary. I did several of the first ones that I saw. She apparently has committed suicide. Yeah, that's incredible to me. It's right, it's

incredible. And I had heard that she had been missing for a couple of weeks prior to her I think early last week it was reported that she committed suicide. And this is another person like similar to the Lost History of Flat Earth. I think that first one she did, was it ten or eleven or twelve parts? Yep, big one. I didn't watch all of it,

but yeah, and she's just gone right. Yeah. And for people who don't really understand the links, it's mockery too, because you know, the official documents came out and I think Clinton flew what thirty sometimes and you know, everybody knows nothing's going to happen. But you know, if you or I, if we don't pay a speeding ticket or we don't pay our taxes or something like that, we'll get dragged to the clank without without a

thought. But these people at the top, they literally can do whatever they want and they're untouchable, and that should upset more people. And listen, it's both again, it's people on the left and the right, it's not to one part of the house. But again, people will still get more worked up about their candidate than looking at the big picture. Yeah, and I think that we could actually affect the most change with our family and our

close friends and our kids the way we raise them. We maybe can't control all this craziness at the top, but you could still get up every morning and just marvel it at the flat realm we live on and show your kids that teach critical thinking like flat earth just covers I think, all the bases for your happy life. Really, that's what it comes down to, is flat earth means a happy life. How cool would it be if I was thinking this today. There's a lot of online education system out let's just say

the University of Phoenix like these type of places. The University of New Hampshire's a big one now where a lot of people are rolling in and here in the States, if you're young, you can get that tuition assist sense at the stab of a finger, and even now it seems like yah, you don't have to pay it back. But how cool would it be if we could pull the right strings and get a flat earth class on one of these Even if it started with a small university, right, people, you have

to pick an elective. I want to take flat Earth one oh one. How awesome would that be if we could get our side of the story presented to the youth of our country of the world. You know. Yeah, Well, we're getting smarter with Dave. Weis des evating the algorithms and getting that stuff out there. We're getting smarter about how to do all that. So it may take a couple more years, but I think there's good hope. And you know, it was great to hear different like I think you

had. He's a psychologist. He was on fairly recently. I forget his name, Brad. Yeah, so you get psychologists on your show. You know, you have instructors like myself on your show, and you have all people from all walks of life on your show. I think that really does put the message out there that it's not just Bible thumping people that are into this, Like, look, picked up a Bible in my life and here

I am. Yeah, it's awesome that there is all people from all walks of life, because it's important that there's different voices because the same voice isn't going to resonate with everyone right, So it is important to get different backgrounds, you know, different thought processes, and we've been so lucky to have someone even from pastors. We had Pastor Parker on the other day to the

Fusis who God bless him. I hope they're doing well with that movie and that we have people in the community like David Weis, who by the way, I don't know if you caught this, he just mentioned the other day he will be on the Roseanne bar podcast in March, so he's going to get a huge audience in March. Yeah. She's excellent, most excellent. I've seen a little clipper of her talking about flat Earth, or at least being opened. I forget who it was that it opened her to the idea

of it. Can't remember the guy, but it's pretty cool to see here going, Oh that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Telling you it makes sense once you look at it. Yeah, people that they come to flatter if people come to flat Earth, and then we always say, you know, and they never go back. I think if you look at you know, looking at the math and the curvature, you just

can't go back. And I know that some people do. I have heard of the odd person that's turned around and said no, no, no, And I'm curious what had them about face and turned back on it when all the proofs are there. It's a curious thing, but they do exist. People that went into it, they think they did the deep dive, but

then they turned around and said, no, it's not that. If somebody took five thousand dollars, and because you know on Facebook and things like that, you can advertise by a zip code, yeah, and you rented billboards and you said flat Earth conference locally if you wanted to make a difference locally, if you put a lot of money into Facebook and billboards and you're busting your behind going out, you know, hanging flyers and things like that,

do you think it would work or do you think there's still that stigmatism where I would never be caught dead at a flat earth type of event. I don't know. I think the billboards have been quite successful, even just the ones that they research flat Earth. I think, yeah, anything big like that, or when it does make it on the news, and it has because I've seen compilations of it making it onto the news, I think,

yeah. The feeling of mockery and laughing. The more people see it, yeah, they'll walk and they'll laugh, and I certainly did many times. But I think the more you see it anywhere in any form, then one moment you will go and soften to that position and go, wait a minute, I'm better look into this, or like Trudeau saying that you know flat earthers or I don't remember exactly what he said, but that's what you can go get to look into it. So yeah, all the power too,

put up a billboard, let Trudeau talk about it. The more they fight against it, the bigger the voices are going to grow. So I have hope there too. That really backfired on him. Remember he was at a fire station. I still remember he's had his legs crossed all perfectly like a young lady, and he was talking about silly flat earthers and I had so many comments like that. Was literally the reason why people would got up and look into flat earth was because, well, if you know everybody that the

old joke is, how do you know a politician is lying? Well when he moves his lips, so that so maybe there's something to it because he lied about what's Again, it goes back to COVID and the more they lie, you know, as soon as they say something against it, then people say, well, maybe I should look into it. So, like you said, let them all keep talking about it, yep, And let all the opposition be and just try and stay you know, compassionate, graceful,

and open to your friends and family or people you talk to randomly. Just stay open and calm and they'll come around. Yeah. At the same time, I have seen it. In the past year or two, there's been a lot of people who felt the courage to talk about vaccines and even flat earth, and they've either been forced kind of out of the picture, or you could tell maybe their agent or someone browbeat them and they kind of backed

away. I would sure like to see someone with a huge following who isn't controlled by the powers that be, which how many people are at the top of the you know, who are up there that aren't controlled, But to come out and just stay with me, stay with conviction. You know you're being lied to know there. Yes, And I had great hope for Joe

Rogan. I used to watch his I used to watch it, and but that became very clear that he used to think that way, but he no longer does, and I don't know who made him shut up about it, but so I stopped watching Joe Rogan too, And basically any podcast time now is for this one. I think I've watched probably yeah, almost three quarters of all the people on this part are listen to anyway, three quarters of

all the folks here. If you go back and listen to Joe Rogan's podcast when he was on YouTube and then listen to his newer stuff or even watch you can watch his videos. He wears NASA gear and things of that nature.

He obviously was someone who listen. If you're told we're going to pay eighty two million dollars, but you're gonna you know, you're going to believe we landed on the moon and we're on a ball, ninety nine percent of people are going to say, hey, I can live with that, right because you know, like they say, once you have money, you don't want to go without it, right when you when you have that lifestyle, but you can do whatever you want. People aren't going to Most people just

won't go back and stand in the convictions. You know, this is the big one too, because he had you know, Robert Malone on there. He was talking about the vaccine. He didn't take the vaccine. He was talking about all that, but this one he can't touch now, so you know it's the big one. And when he can't touch it now, that's clear to me, clear's day. It's an awful big one. Is there any other silver bullets you had? You know, you're in an elevator with

someone for thirty seconds and you get the urge to say something. Do you have something that is easily digestible and maybe just give them enough curiosity to go look into it. Well, it depends on the kind of person. But Bud was on the other day too, and he talked about the about four one hundred miles between the country of Togo in well it's West Africa, tog and then over in Guyana and South America there foury and one hundred miles distance

between them. So if people are into triangle geometry or trigonometry or whatever, and you work out the angles of the sun and the time zone and when it's so learn newon right above you. That was brilliant. That was fun, right, yeah, yeah, So people want something like that, they already kind of have to be looking into flatter, So the elevator talk's not going to work. So people on my Facebook page, you are already kind

of looking and just sort of dabbling and maybe questioning. That's different than the guy in the elevator. So again, you've got to know your audience. You've got to know your people and know what might interest them. And it's really just about, yeah, are you a good listen? Can you hear where people are at and provide them what you think they need based on where they're at. And we don't most of us don't have those skills. So to be a real good listener and sense where people are at, those are

the people I think they're going to make a difference. Yeah, that's a great point. And then again, it's like everything else, there's no one answer that works with everybody. I think it's very important that you know your audience and I'll get into conversations. If the guy's a big sports fanel just to start a conversation first and then to have it slowly evolve into man, did you see that? You know, once again they moved this the moon

landing another three years. It was supposed to be November fourth, but once again they kicked it down. You know, that's because that just happened. Literally, the Artemis mission got booted another three years down the road, and you kind of drop people without saying it. You know, isn't it crazy We went to the Moon on the technology of a of a game boy, you know, but now we have all this technology, we have self driving cars, but we can't do something we did do fifty years ago. And

you'll kind of get the huh. Some people, they kind of get it, and maybe they'll be more interested in some people it'll be just you know, yeah, they're happy in the making not news coming out about them putting off Artemis. There. Then there's like there's meme culture to George that even at my age at forty five, like, I'm kind of into the meme

thing. And there's a meme that came out today with doctor Filsing pointing his finger at you saying you're never going to get to the Boon, and I think sort of keeping some lighthearted humor about it, I try to bring humor into it, at least on my Facebook page two and just really saying like, hey, if you have any questions, you know, send me a message. And lots of friends have messaged me, and you know, we've

got a group of vote. I probably I would say thirty people have come around to the idea or at least doing the looking now, at least that I know personally, and others who maybe don't even talk to me, but I know that or I hope that I'm affecting some kind of change with them too. That's huge because I always say, if you get one, then you're probably guaranteed another one, and then that person may if everyone gets one,

that the domino effect in this is huge. And the fact that you got thirty and the guy interviewed earlier today I had eleven or twelve, that speaks to Hyams that there is there is movement in this movement, a positive movement, and just I can tell you just within the last three years that the numbers have exploded. I can tell you that for sure. Yeah.

And your background of relatedness with people, like what's your connection to people and are you aware of that and keeping that in mind at all times you can make a real difference. I think. So I'll continue to just listen to people where they're at, maybe drop the odd bread crumb or more if they're open to it, or you know, the next thing you know they're coming to me and asking more questions. I had someone send me a message today saying, could you hop on a zoom with me and explain this to me.

I really know that this is wrong and I just need your help. Of course, no problem, I'll hop on there and show you and pull up the links that can do all that for you. So as an educator, of course, an instructor, that's my passion, that's what I do best. So I think people like me too are in a real position to use their voice, even just to free people up of the heaviness of the world. Again, like I said, comingto this is real levity and joy

and freedom. Yeah, I've been working very hard on a slide pressure tape presentation, excuse me, and I thought I went looked at it and I discarded a big part of it. But you know, if anybody emails me, I'll send you what I have and I leave my phone number out there. Anybody can call me, so if you're trying to have a conversation, we can talk about it. It's it's very important. It is certainly you know from my realms. Obviously my faith is very important. But I have

come to realize just how big of a part this plays in it. I can't tell you it like yourself. You're an atheist and now you're reading the Bible. How can people not hear that? And I get emails every day every week with the same type of story. How is this small potatoes? How is this something? That? Nah? It all? It goes back to the very first podcast I did, and it was why the lie? And once people understand that, then everything else is cake and ice cream.

And again, George, though, your demeanor and how you are with people, it's all in who you're being that's got you to this listening level of all these people tuning in who you are being. And again it's how we're going to talk to other people about. This is everything. And again I can't convey that enough. While I'm thinking of there George too, I did

want to share a story with my dad's passing. Please go ahead. So off all this knowledge, all this learning, Nikola Tesla, electromagnetic stata, static energy, static electricity, no more gravity, and the troidal field of

our very own human hearts. So we talked about a couple of times on the podcast, mentioned like when COVID hit everyone had to stand six feet apart, and of course I've always sensed this, but to have the actual facts backing it up and talking to cardiologists like I teach French to this amazing eighty year old retired pediatric cardiologist guy, and we've talked about the electrical field around

a heart is can extend to three or four feet outside your body. And so that's why they made us stand six feet apart during COVID for sure, so that we wouldn't feel that heart connection with people. And I so my dad went into palliate of care. In his last he spent five days in pilate of care, and I was so privileged and honored to sit next to my sister, her on one side of the bed and me on the other side of my dad and see him out and we never left his side.

And in his last day, which was Christmas Eve, my sister started getting her anxiety started taking over, and instead of sitting next to him and her and I just chatting back and forth across the bed, she got up and was pacing back and forth at the end of the room, probably eight feet away. That whole last five six hours of his life. She was no longer at his bedside, and was quite amped up about this, and we just felt like this can't keep going on, Like he was no longer eating

or speaking or drinking, none of that. So it was really just a matter of deteriorating until he took his last breath. So we knew that that's what we were in for. And about maybe thirty minutes twenty minutes minutes before he did take his last breath, I called my sister back because I knew about the heart and the troial field, and I said, you've been here this whole time. I said, could step back in? Can you step

back in? Just take a deep breath and come and sit next to me and step back in, and she did, and it was probably within fifteen minutes that he did take his last breath, and I am convinced that he of course he wasn't talking, but I know that that double sided electrical field coming from both sides. His daughters, who had been with him the whole way, were there for him at the end, and he went peacefully.

He took his last breath, and she was right there next to him, and you know what if she had been away, and there she was, And I'm convinced that it's because of that heartfield and her coming in and something else that's happened too, Like I am not a believer in Jesus or the Bible, but since my dad's passing, not right away, about three days later, every time now when I look up in the sky, and I have been observing the sky in the sun of the moon a lot for the

last six months, more than I ever have in my life since the time when I was a kid. But I feel like my Dad's there, and I don't think as an atheist, I don't think many people like this is a lot that's been going on. My Dad's been on well for six months.

He's been in the hospital for six months. So this journey through my dad's passing and deteriorating has been alongside the flat Earth' journey, so it's been quite upheaval and spiritual, but also like really now present with my dad, I can be with anything he needs to say, and he was free to say and do a whole bunch of stuff that I don't think he would have done had I not been there, just unjudging and totally complete with him,

Like I got complete with him three years ago and told him everything I need to tell him. And so I was really at his deathbed in his space for him to say or do whatever he needed. And I just I don't know if many people get that opportunity. And I you know, I attribute some of it to coming alive with flat Earth, but lots of work I'd done before, but I just want to share that, Yeah, the heartfield

is so important and we were just tuned out of it. We don't even realize the difference we can make sitting next to someone saying nothing and just that field of energy that comes out of you've we've forgotten it or turned it off or don't see it, but it's I believe it's very present, and you just need to tune back into it. Really well said. And you and I have talked many times before this, and you know my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family, and I'm so glad you brought that up,

because you're right, the torital field is Israel. But the other thing is it also is another piece of evidence that we are in this electromag you know, this free energy realm with the ether that once again you know, the controllers are using this electricity just as another thing to tax us and to kind of hold as hostage. But it is amazing, like when you think about the electromagnetic culture, with with gardens and in our hearts and everything else,

there is a connection and with flat earth. For me, you know, my dad passed. It'll be five years this mark. You know, I realized, you know, my dad is right up there too. When I look into the sky and I don't feel like I have to go to the grave to talk to him. I realize he's right up there. I can go outside and look up and talk to my dad. I don't have to go to his grave, and it's it's very powerful. And I really appreciate you sharing that with us because that is and that's an important story to

share. And your dad and how close everything is. I've heard your guest talk about how close God is now that they realize, or how close the sun is, how close the moon is. It's all local. It's right there. God's right there, my Dad's right there. Very powerful way and access of looking at it. And of course the coincidence, like what is it that the sun is what four hundred times further away instead of them just being the exact same size and the same distance away, Like what are the

odds of that, the odds of that happening are it's impossible. There's no possible way it couldn't be that when you see them with your own eyes of the same size and the sky. We've just been so duped. It's still somewhat shocking to me. It's still somewhat shocking to me that we are all so deep. Indeed, and most of it was just math. They wanted to deceive us, and they used ma you know, they used backwards math

to come to these type of the things to make their narrative work. Which I've seen the sun locally, and I see how the sun rays come through the clouds to know that there's zero chance that that thing is ninety three million miles away and for it to travel through all that cold air, right, you know how cold is is outer space? Do they say? And it just makes its way through it? Just all of it is just silly. Yeah, and gravity, and what if it was just like positive and negative

charges. Like when I look at that and I was like, okay, grounding, you know, it's the negative charge. People are all into grounding, the same people that are into grounding and taking their shoes off and going into the forest, believe that we live on globe. How does that even make sense when it's really just positive and negative and there's no need for gravity or like people in Australia, what's up and what's down? Well, you don't even need to go that far. Tune back into your senses what is

up and what is down? And then people go to Einstein and the theory of gravity. It's just up and down. Man, What if it were just that simple up and down. When I go back to the Amish folks to pick up my feet next week, I want to ask them, are we on a globe? Where's the where's the Earth flat? I want to see what they say, because they're very soft of the Earth people as well. I wonder they'd probably say it's flat. I think they would probably say

it's flat. Yeah, I should ask them. We're down to about our last ten minutes. Was there any other bullet points or things that you wanted to mention before we close? Yeah? So I wanted to share about my dad. The positive negative charge theory of gravity just a theory. I mentioned that, but I really do want people to look into it again. Bamboozled by the math. What if it were electrost and positive charge and negative charge? What if up was positive and negative was down? Grounding oceans? Gosh,

the flights, there's so many. So I traveled to Europe lots as as a younger person, and always confused about going over the North Pole, like what on the map that I see in the pole roots? The pole roots, but then on the flatter too. I remember coming to that and seeing the flat map and going, oh, that's where I was flying. That's pretty too, and people look at it and can see the Yeah. I've connected with Eddie Allen car So he's a friend of mine on Facebook and

we've been chatting back and forth. And if you can't support him and buy Eddie's book, Sixteen Emergency Landings. You've mentioned it lots on the podcast before. Get it. He's fantastic as flatter Banjo, right, yeah, Flattereth Banjo USA. Yeah, he lives in Japan now, but he's originally from Brazil. Great guy. Buy his book. Not even that expensive. I think you put the link and maybe put it in there again for today's podcast

too. It's thirty bucks or something. Well. He has a stored out same so you can buy t shirts and things yeah, Lulu or something, but I forget the name of the website. But you can also get it for free and need of the mind, you know, if you get the free, but do support some of these people that have put in the effort. Sure, Dave White's app is three dollars for the basic app and then if you pay I don't know, I think it's seventeen bucks Canadian for the

year. You can make your friends on there and have access to a whole other type of social media through. So these people are not making millions of dollars, but do support them where you can, because there really were a big part of my journey in waking up the flatters. So I highly recommend that. Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. Like I just I guess this is a new journey for me in the second half of my life, like now that I I'm stuck with Okay, there there's nature out there

or creed or whatever you want to call it. Where do I go from here? And I think it'll just reveal itself to me as we go. I've got a lot of indoctrination that you know, Christianity is not a great thing, and Bible thumping and all of that, so I've got to you know, remove some of that, but I think I've done most of that, and I'm just open now, which is a great place to just be

open to the future and where it leads. And as a teacher, of course, I'm interested in scripture and everything that is in the Bible, and yeah, you guys call it truth, but I mean it's the oldest book, right, we have the record of that stuff. So I'll be looking into that more and maybe really just a personal relationship with God or Creator that doesn't need a church or a building or like even just seeing my dad up there is a big step for me, like that would never have been possible.

So just really grateful that I discovered this flatter is now at this time in my life with so many things going on with my father's passing and relationships like it affects my relationship with my siblings, with my friends. It's just every facet of your life is affected by this. So again, as scary as it may be, I want to encourage people to open the slug dates because on the other side is a whole lot of light one hundred percent,

and there's many people listening who agree with you. And it is a passion. And like you said, you never see things the same, whether you're watching a movie or you're you're able to kind of see the sign and symbols that they use, and you learn basically how they manipulate us. You're like, oh, look, this is like the seventh scene in the last four minutes where there's a globe in the room, just all this subtle reinforcement that they use. Again, they tell you two lies when you're little, and

only one of them. You know, we were just kid about the whole Santa Claus thing, but really the world's a ball and that is really quite a tool that they have used against us. But again we're using their tools against them and coming out having these type of conversations with so many different people like yourself and even myself. I've been talking with people locally about it and

trying to spread the word. Me and my wife are having that conversation is how much do we want to get involved locally but will continue to do a little bit outside of my comfort zone and can you continue to grow from there? Because I believe every person that we to question the official narrative as a person, we can save. Yeah, and those relationships last a lifetime too.

The friends that I've made through this, and the friends in real life, not on the entry at or Facebook that I have, their flat earthers are just so precious to me. Yes, and I can call them up and we can. You know, we're supposed to get together and watch Day Live, so I look forward to doing that with my girlfriend. Shout out

to Charlotte. She's just the best. And my dear friend Rebecca too, who was onto this well before me and was just so gentle and open with me, and when I did get to it, she's like, man, our friendships reached a new level, Emma. So I love Rebecca and Charlotte, my two close in real life friends who have supported me through this journey and just amazing. Yeah, light bearers for sure. That's awesome. Well,

I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing your story. I know your father would be very very proud of you, and thank you for your listening to the podcast, continued support and telling others about it. And of course before we go, I always like to give our guests the final words, so I shall give you that. Yeah, I think George, you often say that we don't know and we don't have all the answers. And me, I'm a knower. I'm an instructor, so I got to

know all the things. But I've really found a lot of solace in peace in coming to terms with that. I'm not going to know everything. Why is the sky blue? Sure we can theorize about it, or the exact distance of the sun and the moon and all that, but somehow there's a mysterious wonder and not knowing. So I want to, you know, try and encourage everyone out there that thinks they have to have all the answers and

they can't talk to their friends until they've got this really solid. And I was a bit like that too, But what if we just didn't know everything and that enough of what we do know that's plenty enough and to just grab onto that and hang on for the ride. Brilliant way to wrap it up.

And again, thanks for taking the time to join us. I know you're going to get a ton of emails and regards to this podcast and plenty of positive support, and again I look forward to I know there's a lot of the listeners out there who say, man, I want to come on the podcast, but I'm nervous, I don't know. Just send me an email or call me my phone number. I literally put my phone number on the website now and if I'm available, I'll talk to you for five minutes

or whatever. You know, come on the podcast, share your story, and I can't tell you like when people come on and share their story, it gives them. I don't want to say courage, but it, you know, like people have been thought I want to start a podcast. I'm not sure. They come on here and boom, they're out starting their own podcasts. There. It's I don't know how to explain it, but they feel more comfortable talking about it. I guess that's really what it comes down

to. So come on, share your story. I'd love for everyone to because there's so many people out there, like yourself who you know. I believe this, but is there really that many people out there? Yeah? There really is. For every one guest I have, there's one hundred and fifty emails for everyone guests that comes on. So come on your show, share your story, and my thanks to Emma and everyone else who's been again over the last you know, fifteen months, and I look forward to talking

to many many other like minded people in the coming weeks and months. God bless you all. Be careful. There's a lot of bad weather going around or without power for quite some time yesterday, So be safe. God speak, and until the next time we meet my friends, we will see it. I know it's been a struggle. I know you've had spain. I know you feeling tired, hell down about all the way. Yeah, I know you feel you smile at the same I saw were go for a year.

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