Episode 132: Interview with Pastor "Patch" Parker

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are you doing today? Thank you so much for joining us. Good how are you? I'm doing well. It's Friday, which is just really another day of the week when you're homesteading. But we're expecting some I don't know about you, but we're expecting some pretty crazy weather this weekend. Yeah, the fakes question out here as well, so well, we'll have to see. Though. Weather man can be one hundred percent wrong and still keep their

jobs, So we'll see how right. But I always say baseball and weathermen, you know, if you hit the ball through out of ten times, you succeed, and pretty much the same in weather. If you get it right through out of ten times, I guess you're doing well. So please do take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience. Sure, my name is Larry Parker. I go by Patch because I had a rent in a detachment and they didn't fix it right, and so I wear a patch,

so a lot of people just call me patch. I'm a pastor. I'm a pastor of a local small community church, Westborough Community Church, not to be confused with Westboro Baptist Church. We're not ask And but yeah, just I've been doing that. I've been in ministry for about fifteen years or so, and but yeah, that's that's what I do. I do teach a lot of different things that most preachers won't pre one. And but that's that's who I am, and that's where I am. I'm in Ohio and things.

Let me ask you this, you've been in the ministry for a while now, over the last fifteen years that you've actually been directly involved in the ministry. How have you noticed and when I say the church, obviously I don't mean just your church, but churches in general specifically over the last five years, how it has changed. You know, it's in reality, I

think the church has changed probably before this. You know, he used to be that a pastor and a preacher, elder, bishop, all those spots they were filled with men who were called, and now filled with men who have a degree. The calling isn't isn't the priority the the the degree ends up being the priority. And and so because of that, I think there's a lot of blindness because you know, as as you go through school,

you just learn things to regurgitate things. You're never really taught to be critical in your thinking or too, especially in Bible school. I call them cemeteries insteads seminaries. You you really your your faith gets buried underneath facts, and the Holy Spirit really not allowed to manifest itself, uh in a lot of

times. And because of that, we celebrate a risen savior in dead churches, and I think that's that's the problem people in general that I find they want to be challenged, they want to know the truth, and they don't want this watered down version that we give them. One of the most radical groups in our world as far as religions is that the Muslim faith. But why is it so popular. Well, I mean, I know some places

you can get killed if you don't convert. But on the other hand, they set up a series of regulations and a series of truths and they don't relent. It is what it is. And I see in the Christian faith, especially in America, we'll cave to anything just as long as we get members. Well, you know, I'm of the standpoint I would rather have special forces that I would have, you know, two thousand bodies that aren't learning anything about Christ. And I think we're seeing a lot of that.

We just have a lot of people who say they're Christians, but they never really dig into the word, you know, to study the show thyself approved under God. A workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth and not to time, and that takes effort and we're we're such a in America. We want everything now. I mean, you know, you can go down to rent to Rob. I call it rent to owns, rent to Robs. You can go down to rent Rob and get

your TV today. You know, our credit card debt's outrageous. And all this is because we want to be satisfied now. Right, Well, when he's studying the Bible, it takes a while and you got to dig. You ate a great analogy or a metaphor talking about having you know, would you rather have an entire battalion of Okay soldiers or would you rather have fifty special force of soldiers? And that's kind of what you were alluding to when

you're talking about, you know, people by your side and faith. Do you want lukewarm people or do you want true people who live by the book and the Bible. The interesting thing is I listened to a lot of different pastors on YouTube and locally, and here's a question for you. I know a lot of people there's a lot of divisiveness between the Old Testament teachings and New Testament teachings and the New Covenant. Right. But it's interesting because a

lot I do feel Christianity has been watered down a lot. And you know, the hot topic today in my office was about dagon At. What was a Corinthians I think when they talk about in ensuring that when worshiping, a man is not have his head covered, and the women should have their head cover otherwise their dishonors and things of that nature. So and you know, sure enough, you know the people in the Middle And again I'm not Muslim, I don't I don't follow that religion, but I do think some of

the things. Let's let's use this as as an example. Let's not let's leave the Muslims out. Look at the Amish and the Mennonites. They do follow that example of Corinthians. It is, yeah, of having their head covered, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's just one example. I mean, you'll understand what I'm getting at. How things how the church has kind of well, we're going to ease up on this. Oh, we're going to ease up in this. And then it's the old can of words

metaphor. Sure, sure, you know, and I think things like that if you take a look at if you just take a look at dress, I mean just dress in general, you know, back yeah, fifty years ago, forty years ago, you know, we dressed a lot different than we do now. Oh yeah, And and so you know, and where

where where did the breakdown come from? Well, you know, the breakdown came from society, but then it matriculated inside of the church, right, And it's not supposed to be that the church is supposed to be the one assessed the standards that comes out of the church and into society one hundred percent. And somewhere along the line, certainly, post World War Two, the script flipped right right right. It became more, uh, it became more

of a numbers game, you know. I mean I know that, you know, there's pastors even around my area, you know, and when we get together or something like that, they'll they'll say that how many how how many numbers? You know, how many are you running? How many numbers are you running? And they want to know how many people are in their congregation. I hate to say it, and my church might be a little upset at me for saying it, but I've said it from the pulpit.

I don't care, you know, because if if if I'm if I'm overloaded and I have two thousand people coming to my church. It probably means that I'm not preaching the truth. You know, when you preach, the Bible says when you preach, it's a sword, it's a fire, and it's a hammer. And if people aren't getting burned, slashed and smashed, right,

then you're not preaching. You're you're you're just entertaining. And some people don't want to hear all that, you know, not that I do that every week, and not that a pastor should do that every week, but I just I expositorily preach. So I go through the Book of the Bible, one book at a time, So I got to cover everything in that book. And there's just times when you just gotta you know, you just

got to tell the truth. That's not pleasant, you know what? That is so important that the truth is kind of like the old you have to add a spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down type of deal. The truth is not always pleasant in case, and many times it's not in that it goes back to the hard right over the easy wrong. And what you were talking about with the church and numbers. I will tell you that

I'm friends with a Methodist pastor let's just say in the Dover area. I don't want to get him a trouble either, he says, before, you know, after church on Sunday, before he goes home, he sends a report, and it's got to include congregation numbers and the offering, right, so that it's less of a church and more of a business, right, not not how many souls did you save? Or you know, what was

your message? How effective was it? You know, the first two things that they want to know is attendance and the monetary collection, which you know, I understand they have bills to pay, right at the same time, we have to prioritize what we're doing here. And it's I love talking to

I don't. I don't. I don't mean this as a slant towards you, but when I say like small town preachers, because I believe people like you are the backbone of the country and it's going to take people like you to really are going to because I know you just from talking to you over the past twenty minutes, that you're a man of conviction and you're going to preach what you believe and you're not going to worry about the ramifications of it. Am I close. Oh you're you're very on, Yeah, because I

mean, this is again, this is for me. This is a calling. You know, the Holy Spirit called me to this position. I didn't seek it. And let me tell you, if if I was a wise man, I would give it up and and and go sell cars or something, you know, But this isn't That's not what I'm called to do. And when you're just called and you just know you have to fulfill it, it's it's a it's an internal drive. It's it's the Holy Spirit that you're

sealed with till the day of redemption. And and then when you listen, you just can't help but to follow that call. And for me, that's what what this is. This is a calling. This isn't a job. I can't. I'm not getting rich. I wish I could, but I'm not getting rich off this, you know. And I don't really wish I could if if it's going to compromise me, you know that, Yeah, exactly, And listened. My grandfather used to say, it does it really

matter if you're the richest man in the graveyard? Right? You know, at the end of the day, we all have an ending, and you know, our sixty seventy eighty years is just a tenth of a drop in the bucket compared to eternity. Exactly, right, Yeah, I mean it's you know who, he who dies with the most toys is still dead. Yeah, exactly. And listen, we all you know people say the I think they incorrectly said. They say the root of the you know, money

is the root of all evil. It's I think the love of money is what's really evil about it. Yes, it's the love of money. You know, there are I mean, you could take a look at some of the older preachers and the older people of faith in America. Colgate. If you take a look at you have Colgate toothpaste and stuff. But when you take a look at the man that started at mister Colgate. He he was a wealthy man and towards the end of his life he gave one hundred percent

of everything he made off of his company to charity. You know, he didn't love the money. You know, he wanted to help people and said, you know, but he was able to help a lot of people, even Hershey, you know for for all that you know he had a boy's home. You know that he was helping with the money. There needs to be philanthropy and there needs to be a good heart, but it's the love

of it. So when you have other people who just hoard it and they do everything to keep it and they cheat people, you know, well, there God is money. One hundred percent. Yeah, that William Colgate's an interesting story. And the problem is now with everybody else the agreed loopholes. Part of what I do on my other podcast is going through the nonprofits finances which they have to put online for everyone to see, and I did one

and this is one of them. Going back to the beginning of the podcast where you said the truth doesn't always you know, it tastes like pizza and candy canes. You know, the American Heart Association. I mean, could

you imagine seeing anything bad about the American Heart Association. If you said that at the Moose Club on a Saturday night, you would get just scowled, and you would get people's stories about their cousin and their loved ones who battled cancer, this that and the other thing, or heart excuse it's a heart attacks, this that and the other thing. But the truth is they pull in about a billion dollars a year and most of that goes to just these

salaries and planes and parties. And I'm not making anybody. I'll put it in the show notes for people. Take five minutes look at it. Don't listen to what I say. This is just the way of the world as it is today. People publicly stated that philanthropy is now the next big business.

Not to say that there are tremendous people out there, but they're being overshadowed by the greedy and wealth people who take what they make in the business world, they start a philanthropy and they live off of that tax free. Well, all we gotta do is point to one particular of Bella and Bill Gates. Rather the villain Will indicates Society Foundation. Excuse me, that's all

peppered with it. I mean, even down to the innocent things. I know there was a when they're a big controversy a couple of years ago about the Girl Scouts. The Girl Scouts, the Wooded Warriors had to clean their act up, things that you wouldn't dream about saying anything neg of it about, right, mm hmm. But it's all about the money, it certainly

is. And with money brings power, and power corrupts and the bad news is and what like we're talking about is that that same power, lust, money, all that stuff, it has infiltrated into the church and has infiltrated into the system because again, you know, Timothy he learned from all. Timothy didn't go to you know, into the seminary. He learned from another man, who did Paul learn from? You know, I mean we all we always trained up our own leaders and our own on our own people from

within the church. We didn't go outside the church to find somebody who had an education given by you know, a college that that we like that ended up getting thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars, you know. But that that's the that's the that's the thing. And what happens is a lot of these bigger churches and organizations they supply the university that they want you to go to. So I don't know, it's a big it's a big money money

circle. Yeah. The other thing I wanted to mention because earlier you had mentioned about and it's the same thing here. I had looked at being involved with prison ministries. Uh in the state of Delaware. To do it formally through the state, you have to have a master's degree, so it you know, it seems to me they know how the wagons circle each other, and they want you to be run through the Rockefeller Education system, which runs

kindergarten through the highest levels of college. Is that what you kind of see as well? Yeah, I do. I got a funny story for you though. I was doing jail ministry locally and all of a sudden we had a new jailer and he wanted everybody to be ordained. So I wasn't ordained at the time. So I went to my pastor and I said, they want me to be ordained to go in and I was going in every week. They don't want me to be ordained to go in. And he says, well, I said, I really can't do that. I can't really

ordain you. So I don't know what to do. He says, maybe just go online and try to find a place that that can ordain you online. Maybe they'll do that. So I went to this thing called the Universal Life Church and it was twenty bucks and I got I got my ordination. That's that's satisfied the jailer. No more education, just just a piece of paper. But there I spent another like ten dollars and I got a doctorate

degree. It's a doctorate in divinity. Seriously, and it's like, come on, So I had to pay the ten bucks, you know, but I thought the paper was kind of funny, and so you know, I'm I'm doctor Parker Court that piece of paper. But but that's how cheap it is. That's that's how worthless some of these papers are. Did you That's

amazing, it really is. But you know what, at the end of the day, you you you got what you needed to can continue your mission, and you avoided the rocket Rockefeller and doctrination right right right, and I and and I'm ordained now. But for some reason that that that pastor, a particular pastor, you know, it was a lot of because I didn't go to college, you know, I forth didn't have the degree that they were wanting. And and it's listen, man, college is such a big

business. I remember my wife when she was going through for a registered nurse and one of the books she got was a huge It was seven hundred dollars. Yeah, yep. And and probably one of the one of the professors there had a hand in getting in that book public Oh he's getting off of the seven hundred dollars too. Yeah. Yeah, and then if they allow

you to trade it in, you might get ten percent. But the one thing I noticed, because I got a couple associates and I got my bachelor's towards the end of my career, was they would just print out no this. They would make a new volume every year. They so, oh, you can't that. We're doing volume two now, so you can't trade that in. They would just make like two changes in the book, call it volume two, so you couldn't trade in the old book. Yeah, it

is a big business. I wanted to kind of talk to you about your journey in biblical cosmology. I know you wanted to talk about other things. I promise you I'll give you the time, but I did want to kind of if you could give folks your journey to it. And on top of that, have you brought that up to your congregation yet? Sure? So my journey really, I guess. I was raised Catholic. Matter of fact, I was going to be a Franciscan priest is what I wanted to be.

And I went to the Universe of Franciscan University of Steubenville here in Aisle and then I got a chance to travel over to Austria, and I got to spend a lot of time over there in Europe, and and all that I was reading, I was reading, and we had the devotional as Catholics have a thing called, uh, the Order, and you read it every day and it's broke down. You got mourning for and you have like an afternoon prayer, evening prayer, and bedtime prayer. And I was I was

going through that. It's called the Office. I was going through the Office and I read this about when Jesus was baptized, and uh, you know, the Holy Spirit to send it as a dove, and the Father's voice said, this is my son and whom I'm well pleased. Well with that, I uh, I just couldn't get out. I've already dealt with it, but I still couldn't get it out of my head that if I went

down this route, I would have no children. And I went to the spiritual advisor and I said, you know, I'm really struggling with this, and he said, well, that's why they call you father, because you're the spiritual father over the congregation. And I, just like Paul would say, that's this stone in my shoe, you know. And so I left Europe and I came back home. Of course I was angry with God, because you know, anytime you don't get your way, do you just you're

just angry with God. Sure so, But in that time period when I was angry with God, I met I met my wife. We've been married for twenty eight years, and we got married. We had a daughter, and right away she was interested in going back to church, and she ended up going with her mom to a Bible Baptist church. Now it's one of those you know, King James only from you know, sixteen eleven, fundamental

Premillennial, you know, pretty staunchy type church. And I'm still to my Catholicism, you know, and so I'm not going to bore you with the details. But he worked with me and everything, and he talked with me a lot about things, and he's a dispensationalist and I've carried that through. I am still today with my approach to the Bible. But I got saved. And then I'm not trying to say that if you're Catholic, you're not saved that you did. There's no save Catholics. I'm talking about my story.

My story was I had more faith in the system than I had in Christ. Right, Like I knew all about Jesus, but but for me personally, I didn't have that aha Jesus moment, uh until later on. This pastor, his name was Bruce McDowell. He's he's passed away a couple of years ago. He opened up Pandora's box for me when we started talking about Nephalim, and he was talking about giants, and I felt hard. I already had a suspicious mind about you know, authority and and and and

things. But he started hitting this and this was like in late like nineteen ninety nine, two thousands. He started hitting that. Well, I started getting into the Nephelom, and then I started getting into Sumerian gods and who they were. And then then then it brought me to the Illuminati, you know, I mean, because they all on Once you start down one rabbit hole and start tugging on threads, you're just tuking on uh and never ending

deceit, right, And that's what it does. He's he's full of lies and he deceives and and so when you start looking back at you know, the different Sumerian gods, you know, end Lo and and Anna, and then you realize that that's the same thing as astrois, and that's the same thing as you know, Diane and and and all these things. You see that they never went away, you know, these these fallen angels that came to Mount Hermon, there's still alive. I mean, well today, and

uh that started my rabbit hole into the spirituality part of things. And of course, uh, nine to eleven happened, right. The thing with nine to eleven is at first I wasn't suspicious, but then every bell in my head rang when they found the passport. Yeah, planes disintegrated, but the past way, look what we forgot here, guys, right, and that no, now, this this is this is stage, this is this is

like a jfk assassination plot. Here. There's there's more to this than some guy on dialysis in a cave directing three people who don't know how to fly planes that directly hit And so that that was a big rabbit hole. And of course, you know, right right afterwards it was hard to get information, but there's a lot of information out now and there has been for for

a while. But right after that, that was the first time I really saw our news media and I saw suppression of information because right after that and we see videos now people are saying there was no plane, there was explosions, and you hear the first responders saying that, you know, they heard of boom boom boom, boom boom, you know, right, and then the Pentagon I had a I had a I had a problem with that because where's the wings. We're we're you know, we're on the outside of the

building. There should be wings and tail pieces. And so I knew that was a that was a joke. So I started I kept on. I kept on digging and doing doing, you know, doing the little the little things here and there, digging into quote unquote conspiracy theories. Then it was about I don't know, twenty eighteen, maybe twenty seventeen, as somebody brought up, you know, brought up a flat earth. Oh, I wanted

to talk about them. Before the flat Earth. One of the other ones that got into was a lizard people red dots, Yeah, the reptilions with David Ike, right right. You know, I know people some people may just just discount that out and things. But but let me get let me give you a little insight biblically on what I think that is. So we know, we know that the serpent came to Eve and then your seed will

have enmity with you know, his seed. Right, But when you take a look at Revelation and Isaiah and stuff, the Reptilian kingdom is not represented in heaven. You have the four beasts, you have you know, face of a man, and face of a lion, the face of an ox, and the face of an eagle. But where's the Reptilians. Well, I think that was Lucifer. I think that was a blessed chair to cover

the throne. I think he represented that. And so when he came down, because you know, he wasn't going to serve the dirt people because he had you know, he was so important as Pride overcame. When he came down, he came in the form that he was being known as in heaven, which was a reptilian. And so when we take a look at David Ike and we take a look at you know, the reptilian thing. You know, I mean again, if when you when you've been looking at conspiracies,

you really can't count anything out. And I don't really count him out don't count the whole reptilian thing out because who knows. Yeah, yeah, is there I want to say there was. Have you looked through the Bible? Is there versus or information? They're talking about the ability to shape shift for lack of a better words, you know what I mean to camouflage oneself

like that? Well, you know we know this. The Bible does say that you may be walking amongst angels unaware, which means that that then those are God's angels. And so we know that God's angels can cloak themselves so you can't see that they're angels and you just assume that they're people. So I don't see why the same power because obviously if the angels have it, Satan would also have that same power because he was created in the same way.

Why he wouldn't and the fallen angels with him? That that is interesting. And you know, the rabbit hole does indeed go very very deep. Just going back to the that the Pentagon again, this is one of the most protected buildings in the entire world, and there's only like one eighth of a second of a film of the air quote plane hitting it, which is

just a coincidence. Of course, yeah, it's really incredible. So you had quite the journey at a nine to eleven and yeah that when you when you mentioned Reptilians, I always I think to myself, you know, the people at the top of the food chain, how they are able to actually communicate with Lucifer, which I do believe they do, and whether they're it's it's seed based or the things like Crowley and Parsons with their magic with a

k you know, how they carry out those type of things. Well, I think obviously, I mean, uh, I think what they're trying to do is that they're trying to create a shell of a human that can hold

the anti Christ. And I think that's why you're seeing, you know, with with all the pedophilia stuff going on, the people disappearing, you know, all the crazy other things that we could go down politically with with all that, I mean, I do think that the whole purpose is blood magic and to be able to prepare a human host, because it would it would take that in order for the Antichrist, because you remember, you know, Jesus is God manifested in the flesh right, and so the antithesis of that

would be Satan manifested in the flesh and whether that's going to come through alien deception or you know, or or whatever, which I kind of I'm leaning to the alien deception now. It's it's that's what it is. I think. I think that the whole thing is leading up to that. That's where we're at now, I think is where we're getting up to that. Did

you ever see the movie Signs? Yeah, yep, yeah. You know you know how we always, most in in in the conspiracy realm, believed that Hollywood shows us what they're going to do, and you know, and in the in the movie Signs, the Aliens came down and they kidnapped people

because you know, they for food. Right, I could see it very I could see something very easily happening where the rapture happens, the Christians are removed and the Antichrist immediately comes looking like an alien and says, hey, we got rid of those pesky uh no good Christians because all these have always been started by them, So we eliminated them so that we can really show you who we are and that we seated you, you know, thousands of

years ago. That's a good explanation in my but it's all theory. Who knows. Yeah, very interesting theory as well. And you're right, they do use Hollywood and these type of things to expose the truth and also for symbols, and that's also their way of communicating. It's funny you mentioned that we had dinner tonight prior to our conversation, and my wife put on the

Home improvement guy made another show afterwards called Last Man's Standing. It's on one of the free long yeah Pluto or something, and we're looking over eating our spaghetti and this girl is wearing a mask like we Wren twenty. You know, everybody worn twenty twenty the masks, and then the girl was wearing blue and yellow in the Ukraine colors. And this is from like I'm like, wait a second, and I hit the button and it said it's a Last

Man's Stand. It was UH season one, episode thirteen, which inverted as three one one. Well, what was the date that the UH they declared the emergency in twenty twenty was March eleven, three one one, So you know, everything's inverted, and that's how they communicate. It's these things are planned out. That's why I said when we talk about long range planning. You and I we planned for March. That's long range planning. But these

these folks planned generations ahead that Satan has been planning since he left. Sure, I mean time is so finite to up, but to an you know, to an infinite being, and IM sorry, to an eternal being like Satan. You know, he knows, he knows his is is uh, his reign here is almost sober, but time is is long, you know. So he's he's been playing this since since the very beginning, I mean since Eve. And that's why that's why he did what he did with Eve,

was so that he can take ownership of the world. I mean the world right now is his legally well, I mean until Christ died, and then Christ took back the ownership of this world. And he'll end up finally when he comes back to second time, well well where he establish his ownership. But flat Earth came in like the nineteen seventeen I mean twenty seventeen twenty eighteen era, and somebody brought it up to me and like, I guess like flat Earth Day would say, you know, the best way to become

a flat Earther is to try to prove that it doesn't exist. That's not flat and that's what I did. So I went down. I went down the rabbit hole, you know, with Skiba and Eric Dubay and and is a Mark Sergeant. I did all those and I was pretty well, I was pretty well convinced, but I was still still a little hesitant. But then there was a guy and I sent the link to you, Tyler J. Doka d o k A about five years He put out this video about

five years ago, and it was a biblical argument for flat Earth. And that is when I became I was kind of I was kind of upset a little bit, to be honest with you, because you know, the when you're trying to raison this out, when you're trying to think about this, you know, you ought not to be able to be stuck like I had questions, you know, like I shouldn't have questions. I mean, it's round. I shouldn't have questions. I mean to it was round. I've

seen it was round. I've seen pictures, you know, all this other stuff. But so you're kind of hesitant sometimes to leave reality, especially if you're you know, when you're when you're get spiritual things. But he preached and he went through the Bible, and uh man, that was just that was such a light. And that's where I really came to be a flat earther. And and that was about five years ago. I became unapologetically a flat earther. Since then, I've I've opened up a lot of people's eyes,

a lot of congregant size to it. Mainly, the way I like it is that when I find somebody who's kind of able to be woke up from the matrix, if you would, Uh, I start with him, and and I and I and I start with the idea of it and and things. But something that I do that I think is kind of fun. A lot of churches have fifth Sunday sings, right, So on the fifth Sunday they get all their talent and they come in and they sing and and things. Well, I started the fifth Sunday Conspiracy sermon, and so on

the fifth Sunday, I'll bring up a biblical conspiracy. And uh, this is the church I'm at now. I haven't I haven't brought up the flat Earth yet. I'm kind of I'm fairly new. I've been there less than a year. They broke off of the Methodist Church because of their stance on

homosexuality, but they're they're just not ready yet for something like that. But in the fifth Sunday, I mean conspiracy sermon, that's when I talk about FLM, and that's when I talk about powers and principalities and what they are and and things of that nature and Nephalem and and and all that. So

that's kind of how I've been able to to go out. I probably have about twenty people that I think now, I mean they're they're hardcore flat earthers and so, but I do that with the biblical slant, So well, that's pretty impressive. I mean, if you're able to wake up twenty people to that, I think that's a heck of a lot more than what many people can can do it. But it's also extremely important that you bring it

up through the biblical aspect as well. That's extremely important, right, I mean because the very first thing whenever I'm going to break somebody in to the truth about the earth, I ask him, you know, do you believe and the Bible? And of course everybody says yes, right, because I mean, if you're a Christian, that's the that's the response. Well yes, it's okay, Well, you know but I mean, do you really really believe like what the Bible says? Do you believe what it says?

Or do you believe that when these forty men wrote down their story, that they wrote it down in accordance to the way that they believed, or is this God inspired? And so God had them right down the way God believes. And so they said, well, you know, they believe that they've

wrote it down the way God presented it. And so I said, well, you know, we'll talk a little bit about that, and I'll say, you know, well the Book of Revelation, you know, John wrote things that he didn't know, but he wrote it that I said, And now we can see things more accurately, Like back then, how do you have how would you have a mark that would prohibit you from buy, selling and trading? But now we can see through the blockchain and through you know,

computer chipping and stuff like that. Now it's possible. I mean, California as like I don't know, can't remember, it's over a million animals that they can track and they can't track you, you know, and we can see that now. But there's no way John could have known that. And so I said, okay, well, then what would you say if I told you that Biblical cosmology says that the earth is flat, it's on

pillar, is unmovable. There's a firmament over the top of us. Underneath us is Shield, and at one point in time Shield was divided between Abraham, Pusm and Hell, and you know, and above the firmament is waters that turn into a crystal sea where God sitting on a throne looking down. And so then we start the Bible study. That's that's really well done, and that's important. I think that, of course you're going to preach from the Bible, but it's also good to point out man's deception. You know.

I talked to my friend down the road. I was like, you know, it's an uphill battle when the children are in church one or two hours a week, and they're in the public school and doctrination camps for thirty to thirty five hours a week. So it's a truly uphill battle they're exposed to, you know, not so great. I'm not saying every school is is is awful, but I mean we were all kids one time, and we know it goes on, and imagine what goes on today, and a

lot of these teachers. I mean, listen, so many great teachers. All I'm saying is when you're battling, it's an uphill battle when you look at the time spent in school versus the time spent in church. Well even in the parochial school when I was younger down in Cincinnati, we would go learn about Genesis one and then we would go into our science class and learn about evolution right, completely conflicting each other within an hour. And I had

some trouble in school, you know, when I was younger. They said, you are the term underachiever. Sure, I was an underachiever apparently, and they did all sorts of things. They had me go to a psychiatrist and all this stuff about the underachiever. The school psychologists thought that I had a mental disability or learning disability, all sorts of things, and uh about

this the sixth grade or fifth grade, I'm sorry. I had a teacher to buy the name of missus Kaufman and just a shout out to her because she changed the trajectory of my life. Because you know, imagine from first grade to then, you know, like I'm the problem child and I'm not smart, and you know, I got issues and they said I had problems with authority and all this other stuff. But missus Kaufman is she She actually spent some time with me. And she says, oh, no, no,

no, he said this. This kid's bored. He's bored. He says, he's not dumb, he's bored. Instead, she started, uh, teaching me differently, you know, making me do projects and all these other things. But I have a couple of laws that I that I that I have in my mind. And she gave me my first law. I asked her, I said, I don't understand evolution because she was a science I said, I understand evolution and the Bible. I said, because it doesn't sound like it's the same thing. And she told me this, and

this is just she said this. She said, science doesn't contradict the Bible, but scientists do, and it would be good for you to be able to figure that out. I thought that was profound, very profound. And isn't it great that there's always, it seemingly one or two people in her life that happened to be there during key moments to kind of turn us around. Yeah? Yeah, And and that's and when we take a look at the flat Earth cosmology. You know, it was once I once I started

really opening my mind up to the idea and the possibility. You know, science in the Bible never contradict, but scientists do. And same thing with archaeologists and historians. You know, archaeology and history never contradicts the Bible, but archaeo cologists and historians do. And so when we take a look at it from the biblical aspect and from the biblical worldview, we could see a lot of deceptions because it doesn't line up. Indeed, before I forget,

you'd mentioned Tyler Doka when the podcast first started. It's been a year and three months or so now, but early on I caught that video. I know that you're talking about Tyler Doka. It was about two hours, and he gave a very good flat Earth like Bible study from the pulpit. Yeah, it was like two hours. And on my other podcast, I'll put out some classic audio like Bill Cooper, and I thought it made a lot of sense. So I took the audio and I put it on the podcast

for people to listen to. And I woke up the next morning and I had a bunch of emails, and I didn't really realize, and it was very conflicting to me because as good as a message it was, and it's even I think still to this day on the Celebrate Truth YouTube channel, he's a little off the wall. He's a very he calls himself the prophet and he claimed to be Jesus, and I was like, oh wow. It was very conflicted because it was such how could such a good two hour clip

just be so great? And then it turns out, you know, I went to his about section after I saw the emails, a sure enough, I was like, wow, so yeah, that was really interesting. I don't know if you ever caught that and no, because you know, I listened to that, and then, to be honest, it took me a long time because I was wanting to try to pull it up for this podcast because that was the one that threw me over because of all the biblical references

and things that reinforced what you know, everybody else had said. And but but it was more in a biblical biblical setting. So yeah, people crazy sometimes, yeah, but yeah, the presentation itself was really well done. Uh yeah, interesting as well. And then again, congratulator, congratulations for

having the conviction to bring it up to your to your congregation. I know when I interviewed Pastor Odel way back in the summer, again, he said, once he realized it, and you know, he didn't think twice about bringing it up to his congregation. At the same time, he knew that there was a very good chance that he might lose some people. But at the same time, you either preach from the heart or you don't, right m One of the tactics that I use when I when I'm ever going to

bring up something that's controversial, and I'm willing to listen. You know, that's the other part of this story, right, I mean, we had to be able to listen to what people say. But when it comes to flat earth, right and and uh and the one of the church I had before, when I brought it up to them, I said, now, I said, you know, I'm not telling you you have to believe this, and I'm not saying that you don't. That's that maybe you don't believe

the Bible. If you don't believe this, But if you're upset about it, come to me with your biblical proof that shows anything other than flat earth. I mean, one verse, Just show me one verse, you know, like the Earth flies through the universe as you know, uh, like a winged eagle. You know, just one verse that shows me that the earth moves, I said, because it never does. I said, even even the battle that that Joshua fought, he prayed for for for more time,

and and God made the sun to stand still. That's right. We're revolving. It doesn't matter what the sun does. As a matter of fact, if the sun stood still in our current model, we'd be flying forward, you know, at an ungholy amountain the Sun would be left behind. That's right, you know, I said, So you know what did God not know? You know? So it's it's just crazy, it's crazy, and it's so it's it just shows you how we can believe something because somebody

has a pH d behind their name, that's right. And and we know Satan can't create anything, so deception is really his greatest tool. And you know, the longer I do this and the more email I mean I get patch, I get an email every day saying that literally the biblical cosmology has brought them to God. Oh yeah, And I mean I get emails two three thousand words and it's very overwhelming. And to some it's so trivial, and the eye roll and just uh, you know, you're crazy, Uncle

George. What on earth? George? But when you really understand the depths of the lie it get it can be very frustrating. Yeah, it can be. And with with that, I I haven't I haven't had one person that's come to flat Earth that hasn't deep in their relationship with God, because I mean, you know, if you're if you're on a ball and it's an insignificant ball in the corner of the universe, that's that's far away from everything else, and you got this big expanding universe that's just is you know

at infidum, right, where's God at that? Well you could say, well, you know, God's in a different dimension and you know, no, no, God, God's right above. You know, we are gradhoppers in his site, you know, because he's right above. He's you know, we were his footstool, you know what. He's right there. So when we're hurting, he sees us, not not not in some metaphysical way.

I think he. I think he really sees us, you know, when when when we're when we have joy, he sees that, you know, And and and it's profound when you understand that the creator of everything is right up beyond the firmament, and and and even when Jesus comes back, you know, it says, the firment is going to roll back as a scroll, and every eye is going to see Jesus coming back, because that's how close he is. He's not some far distant, non reaching can't communicate

with him kind of God. He is a close, personal, invested in you. God, that's just right above this, and that brings me peace on me too. It's it, you know, when I realized flat Earth, and of course it took me a couple of weeks for everything to kind of sink in and realize everything. But once I did it, like you said, peace, serenity, understanding, Like you said, the dimension word,

right, you your spirit goes to another dimension when you die. But really it's you know, it's all in there, the heavens above right, not in some other world and another like star wars and a galaxy far far away. It's it's all right here. Everything is close to the Sun, the moon. It's all local and God is right above us looking And like you said, it's, uh, what another dimension you know? I mean, I have questions about that. I mean, because our visual range is

so narrow compared to the whole realm. I mean, there's a gamma rays, X rays. I mean there's a huge, wide spectrum that we can't even see at the ether. Yeah, exactly, we can't see it, right, but it's around us, you know, And so how do we know that it's in a different dimension? You know? How do we know

that all this isn't taking place? I mean, I believe that when Jesus was on the cross and Psalm twenty two says, the bulls of Bashan go, you know, encompass me with their eyes, their mouths open like lions, you know. I think that's something that Jesus saw on the cross. I don't think that's metaphorical. I think those were the fallen angels that came onto Mount Herman, and I think they were there because they thought that they had killed the son of God. And I think that was really happening.

We couldn't have seen that, but apparently God and in Jesus with his spiritual eyes, could see that, you know. So I just even wonder about that kind of thing. Yeah, that's a really interesting take. Psalm twenty two, What is it twelve? Many bulls have compassed me, strong bulls of Bashan has beset me, gaped with their mouths, gaped upon me with their mouths as ravening and a roaring lion. Yeah, that is uh that that chapter chapter twenty two is pretty deep. Yeah. Well, he spent

his time in Galilee. Where was Galilee in the land of Bashan when he went to a transfiguration. He was on Mount Herman when he transfer, when he did his transformation, you know, up there, and he saw Elijah and Moses. Of course, Moses was the fulfillment of the law. Elijah was the fulfillment of prophecy. And at them, Uh, that was that. That was the battle cry, that was game on. All of darkness knew the fallen angels knew that this was the time. I think that they

thought this was the Second Coming. I thought that. I think that they thought when he came down off that mountain, and of course when you read Mark he made a bee line to Jerusalem, I think they were thinking that this is the war. He's the second Coming is now and so I think that's why that's why Satan overtook Judas, Because Satan wanted taken in his own

hands to kill Jesus so that you know that he won. And I think those bulls they were celebrating the fact that Jesus was dying, only to find out probably moments later that when he when he descended down into Abraham's bosom uh and and and led the captivity captive and took the keys of death and hell u. I think that's when they realized they lost. Yeah, indeed, And I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I just had an interview, was it yesterday? Hasn't come out yet, but he mentioned

William Branham. Is that someone you've ever heard of? William Branham? Now, oh, okay, just because you had mentioned something else that rang a bell, I didn't know. I think that was with Rick his episode will Drop Sunday Night. I was vaguely, vaguely familiar with him. He was one of the believers of or I think he was a healing guy and said he was one of the prophets of Elijah. You had mentioned Elijah and that

kind of just reminded me of Richard from Michigan what he had mentioned. Yes, I'm twenty two, so powerful, you know, why have you forsaken me very very important chapter before I know you wanted to talk about frequencies, and I want to give you that time. But before we do, you can go biblically or physically. What are kind of your silver bullets for flat

Earth? One of my silver bullets is the is the is the notion that vacuum next to next to our Yeah, next to our I was training heating and cooling, so I understand vacuums, and there is no way that gravity can't do it. There's no force that I know that could hold air like helium to our atmosphere next to that big of a vacuum. And then when you're doing hvac in kind of good tandem, you have to take in your

the air pressure that you're around. So like where we're at, I think it's like twenty three natural air pressure that you got to take in consideration. If you're in Denver, it's it's a it's higher, so you you you set your pressures according to the sea level. Well, the only way you can have pressure and a pressurized system is if it's enclosed. So that was that was a big one. Yeah, that is that is one that gets uh, you know, overlooked a lot, and that should be in everyone's

And you know, I've mentioned this before. People will ask me, you know, hey, I'm trying to, you know, get this person to understand flat earth. But he brings this up, maybe it's the Southern stars or something like that, and I'll send him a playlist with some videos explaining it. But I'll also tell them to remind them two things. Number one, especially if they're Christian or they understand biblical things, like it's specific in

the Bible right that we just we can't understand everything. And I understand is human beings. We're curious in nature. But to expect an answer to all of everything, uh, in creation? Don't you think that's just a little bit brag up delicious of us, because I mean, you know, uh, as a pastor, I always you know, you can imagine, I get hit with questions all the time, you know. And the best thing,

if I don't know the answer, I just don't. I don't know, but I'll research it and then I'll get back with them, you know, about what I found. You don't have to know the answer, you know. And even if I research something and I can't find an answer, like I can't. I can't answer you. It gives you more validity rather than just be somebody who's you know, popping off things that all of a

sudden that they can. When when you pop off a fact and you're not sure about it, sure enough is going to be wrong, and it'll be thrown back in your face, right, and it'll be detrimental to your cause. That person won't, you know, look into the things you say anymore. But but moreover, for instance, if somebody comes up to and says something, uh, my thing is satan, and the folks at the top want you to believe that, oh, we have an answer for everything,

when in many cases there just isn't. That's God made the world this way. That there's just some mysteries we won't know until we, you know, meet them at the Pearly gate. Well, yeah, God's ways are higher than ours ways. And right, you can take that figuratively and literally, you know. So that that was one and I guess the other one I

see was the is the speed. You know, we're spending a thousand miles an hour, you know, we're rotating around the sign at you know, sixty six thousand miles an hour and sign's moving through the you know, all the speeds. You know, we were eventually we're going to half a million miles an hour and we don't feel anything. And that was one. And I've had people when I when I've shared that, they said, well, you know, when you're in a car and you're going down the road,

you don't feel that. And I said, that's because you're an enclosed system. I said, go ahead and drive a convertible with it down. I said, are you are you nice and comfortable? You know, could you make five hundred thousand miles an hour with your with with the top down? You know? I said, the reason why you're not feeling anything is because we're in an enclosed system. So you have to at least give it that it's an enclosed system and then we can work from there. So that was

the other one. Such ridiculous speeds. It is really is, and it's very clever how Satan has crafted everything over the last specifically the last one hundred years. And you know, I don't know if NASA was a long play or it was. And again, most of our history it is really just stories with High Jump and Operation Dominic and you know, did they realize that then that there was you know, did they find the firmament, did they realized that they had to come up with NASA to support outer space or was

it always part of the plan. Yeah, I think I think as always, I think it was part of the part of the plan. Especially after World War Two. I think I think the Nazis dug into some things that they ought not to have, dug in thousand things they ought not to have. Yes, you know, they're they're okay because you know, we were doing Operation high Jump, we were doing Operation fish Bowl and not If, and the Russians were digging and they were seeing how far down they could go.

That's where it's some of the audio. Sometimes you can it pops up once in a while where it has the audio of hell. I don't know if you ever heard of that one. Yes, it's a case. Uh, they were all at the same time. Why, because once you found out that you were in a box or in a room, what do you do? Well? How tall is it, how wide is it? And how deep is it? Right? Yeah, that's creepy video. I mean

that's a creepy audio. Yeah, it is. You just I went off to another place for a second, and was hearing it again that it is super creepy, And yeah, that is so interesting because you look at Germany up until nineteen the very very early nineteen thirties. They were crushed after World War One financially and the y mark, the hyperinflation, the mark, the Deutsche Mark crashed and all of a sudden, they've got submarines down in Antarctica.

They have New Schwabia, And I agree with you they found something down there because all of a sudden they rose to the top of the food chain in a very short period of time. And granted they had a lot of super smart people, you know, with the autel Bahn and the vehicles the VW really jump started their economy, and they had super technology. They had food fighters, they had a version of Skype back in the thirties. There's pictures of mom and the daughter talking to dat at work over a telephone and

videos communication device. So you know, part of World War two was to I do believe, was to carry out the Rothschild's you know, push for the state of Israel. But a huge part of it was for technology. And that's the reason why they Operation Paperclip happened, right, I agree, and you know that's that's actually one of the third if you I've had the top three. The third one is the Antarctic Treaty. I mean we we

we can't agree on anything, but yeah, we'll we'll. We all the world unites saying that we're not going to go down there, really, especially after World War two, when we've depleted all of our natural resources in trying to fight this war, and we're not going to go down there and take oil, gas, coal, et cetera. Right, right, I don't

believe that, but everybody's in agreeance. So that means yeah, like the Ukraine War, right, Russia, Ukraine, United States, we got Israel and so you know, all all that's going on, it's all fiction in my in my mind when you read nineteen eighty four, right, we think that that's a you know, like a fictional book. That's a documentary. I'm yeah, that's exactly right. I think it's menory. I think that's the end of the Tartarian age into this age and we're always at war,

and they've always been at war, and everybody's always been at war. It's it's it's it's exactly what we have now. And then that's why we can't find a good information on Tartaria, because they wanted us to be a slave to the Roth Trials, to the Rocketfellers, to the world system, because they found some stuff that they you know, I just think they found some stuff to help control this and I think it's Nephelim tech. I mean, look at the Pyramids, that's no man created that on their own. They

had they had help who they have help from. They had helped from the Nephelm. Why because they wanted to be the gods. You know, so you got Hercules half half god, half man. You know, now you have Achilles half man. All these demi gods got so bad that the flood happened. But technology that we didn't have because they were genetically spicing everything that's right, and that's the reason for the flood is the reason for the flood, right alter in the DNA, and you see what's going on today.

And I bring this up quite often and your take on it because when you when you look at the flood, you know, it talks about how every heart was God saw the wickedness of man and the thoughts of the heart was continuously evil. And then you look at around you today, and do you

think things were worse than what we see today back then? Oh, yes, yes I do, because I think when you take a look at Noah, he was he was perfect in his generation, meaning that in his it wasn't it wasn't that he was, you know, an unusually sacred kind of guy. His his DNA was messed up. It was. I think it was so bad back then because you had giants, you had all these things.

I think it was so violent. I think that you couldn't live a day without somebody in your family probably being killed, without being robbed, without being raped. I think that there was probably no marriages, uh, to really speak of. It was just whatever you feel. And uh we can see that coming around and and maybe not so much in society, but we can see it in our video games. We can see it in the pornography. We can see the same thing happening or were because battles in the mind.

And so I think here as we're getting as wicked as they did before God destroyed him. And what does the Bible says is as in the days of Noah, And so there's there's nothing off limits to us. Right now, we have the Tower of Babel on the internet, you know. So that's but that's that's part of that deception. You know that that it's always and again it's easy and it's free and you don't have to do anything for

it. You know, you just got to look on your phone and you can you can see the whole thing and you can experience everything you want, just not maybe in this reality, but that doesn't remove it away from your soul and from your mind. That's right, really well said, and listen, I wanted to give you some time. I know you wanted to talk about the frequencies and how it relates the flat Earth of the Bible. So

I'll give you that opportunity to talk about that now. Okay, So I want to go standpoint that basically anybody who's listening is already a flat earther, and I want the community to be able to go a little farther than just trying to than just trying to argue about whether the earth is flat around it

if we if we believe it's flat, let's move on. And not saying that we shouldn't help bring new people in, but I think we we flat earthers, ought to be able to do a little bit more and and uh and science and in thinking about it, so Tesla said this, if if you want to discover the secrets of the universe, you talking energy, frequency and vibration. I think this whole system that we live in, this enclosed system, is set up on on frequency and hurts. The frequency obviously is

a pattern of repeating pattern. But hurts is how many times per second does that pattern repete? And just that's the little background we know that Genesis one three says that God said speaking is vibrational, it's frequency, it's energy. He spoke it and it came into being. I think that's lost some because the power was in the word. And of course you know what was Jesus right, John one. You know in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God right. The word

is powerful, The word has vibration, the word has frequency. And I'm not talking about some kind of a name it and claim it kind of idea. I'm talking about God here speaking and things. But if you notice in the way it in the way the creation story runs. One of the things we find in like Genesis one two, was that he moved on the waters. I think he moved on the waters to get the waters moving to start the residence. Because water is a transmitter, a great transmitter, a frequency.

And what are we made of? What we're made of a lot of water? Right, eighty percent all creation was in harmony with God's original plan. So just for a moment, just think about think about the original Earth that God spoke in. He said, it was good. Everything has a vibration. Rocks have a vibration, Trees have a vibration, grass has a vibration. We have a vibration where we all have this energy and and and and this energy was probably maybe even sound like a psalm in that and then

that's in the Bible a lot of different places, the psalm. It was probably in harmony with God. When Stayton came, he he caused discord. There was a disharmony, There was a disruption, and uh, Satan sounded uh, and his sin it rippled through creation. It's it's like it's like playing a piano and then playing the wrong note. It stands out and it's not in harmony with the rest of the chord. And and we we even see this with Jesus, right, Jesus said, you know, if you

didn't you know what. He came in and his and his entry into Gerusalem, and they were in and the Pharisees told him to tell everybody to be quiet. He says that they didn't say it, the very rocks would cry out. Well, I think that's literal. I think that the rocks would have cried out because of him. If we understand that everything is this big electrical current, I think I think we would be better off. I don't know if we've got time to go into everything, but but let me let

me say this. One of the things that we hear and we read in the Bible is that when God created the earth Genesis one fourteen, he said he put the sun and the moon in the firmer man. Now, I want you to imagine for a second this thought. If I put my finger on the edge of a wineglass and I move it around, there's a residence that comes off of that and it ripples in the glass of the wine or

whatever you have in it. Or if you think of like one of the Tibetan bulls, right, you put some pressure on it, it goes around and it causes a vibration. We know the earth has a vibration. It's a seven point eighty three herts. It's called the human resonance. I think, and just reading and trying to say this out, I think the earth. I think the sun vibrates the dome and its movement, because when we take a look at stars, what do we see It looks like it's in

water. I think. I think the sun when it vibrates the firmament, I think it's water that's above it. I think there's a resonance that happens above it. And I think that dome goes all the way down into the ice wall that encloses us in, and I think that energy right. We know the poles. South pole has been said it has been positive positive charge, and the North pole is a negative charge. I think that it reverberates

down through Maybe is what causes the waves. I'm not sure. But this residence that happens with the sun and the dome and it comes and then it goes through the earth and then it comes back up to like Polaris area and it comes back around again. I mean it makes it at royal feel and we hm hm, you know we are part of that. We're supposed to be part of it. This is this is controversial I know for for some. But the chakra system, you know, it's it's uh, it's Eastern.

But I think it's been hijacked by the deceiver. I think he's hijacked this this knowledge because in the system of chakras and things, what what's the main deal. It's it's for you to be enlightened, It's for you to expand your mind. But in reality it's it's supposed to be so that God can fill you up and and and and everything. There are seven chakras,

there are seven uh white seior endocrine system. And I think when you take a look at why, why this would be important is look at everything that we're doing or or that we're being caused to do by by the to get away from nature. Right, We're no longer in jungles. We're in concrete jungles, right. We we we have shoes that are so thick with rubber we can never ground ourselves to the to the to the ground. We're in concrete on concrete all over the city. And that's not really good grounding.

Concrete is not a good grounder. We're in buildings that are grounded. Right. But but but you're not getting grounded. We're we're we're being removed from what God created so that we can lose the charge that we're supposed to have. And and so much so, I think that that's one of the reasons why a lot of people are sick and fatigue and they got problems with their with with all these with their health is because they're not taking advantage of what

God has created. And He's he's created to be running for forever. It's a perpetual machine. He's created it to garner energy. He's he's he's he's created for that purpose, to to recharge us. Every person has a troial field. Any questions, Yeah, no, you're you're, you're you're crushing. I was just kind of letting you go. It's interesting. I remember the first time we met our when we moved back here and we linked up

with our Amish friends. I'll never forget the kid. He must have been ten or eleven years old, just running across the gravel and the grass on odd summer day, no shoes anything, going across the gravel like nobody's business. Like where you and I would be taking small steps oh oh oh right, and you know these folks are not part of the medical industrial complex.

They are all natural and we once again because we're part of the worldly system, we see a daddy lion, we go get our cancer producing round up and spray it and we kill a natural healing entity, which is again everything is inverted, everything is backwards. You would mention chakras. That's kind of if I remember correctly, that's where the third eye comes from, right, which is your protuitary gland. You get your protuitary glan that and then your

crown shock is a neo gland hedeal gland. Thank you. That's what I was tried to remember. And then something I'm not The frequency thing is something I've read up a little bit on. Some people say, don't you know, like you said, some of it's controversial. Some people say, like with the yogaan things, it's kind of a new agey and you have to be careful. Like you said, it's hijacked. But I've heard a few

people mention that the seven eight three. I think it's known, like you said, as Schumann's residence frequency, that that it does have some uh healing benefits. It helps with stress. I have known the only reason I know that is because I have a couple buddies who suffer from PTSD that have gotten

into that and they've said it's benefitted them greatly. I don't know how much that you're right up on it. Yeah, So I mean there's basically when when you go back and you and you look at look at the history of scales. For example, there are there are nine uh sofveggio scales that that are that are natural that we can find, you know, I mean they're they're like three three ninety six or four seventeen, five twenty eight, and

there's there's nine of them here. But when you when you take a look at the numerology of it, to Pathegren numerology of it, so like three sixty three ninety six for example, and Pythagorn, what you do is you you you keep on, you would add and you get down to a single digit, right you you reduce it down. So three ninety six, I see you add three plus nine plus six that would equal eighteen one plus eight

equals nine. Since there's your nine, right, four seventeen, the next, the next one, and because it was originally six that we that we knew if three were added on. But four seventeen. Four plus one plus seven equals twelve. One plus two equals three five twenty eight five plus two plus eight equals fifteen. One plus five equals six. I just wanted to show you those three because they all do that. It's three six nine,

three nine, three six nine, which is what Tesla has. Such a has such an obsession with three six nine because when you take a look at this, when you take a look at the numbers, three six nine are our basic prime numbers, if you would, and they repeat so like nine plus nine if you do if you just do nines, nine plus nine is eighteen eight plus oney nine nine eighteen plus right. If you edit eighteen plus eighteen, that's thirty six three plus six equals nine. Whatever you do with

nines, it always comes back to nines. When you do the same thing with threes, three plus three equals six. Six plus six equals twelve. One plus two equals three, right, twelve plus twelve equals twenty four two plus four equals six, three and six always go back and forth. The rest of the rest of them, one through nine, the ones that are not three six nine, they just repeat in an infinite pattern. So one of the videos I gave to you, Well, we'll show that. But

there's an interesting there's an interesting frequency. Five twenty eight. Five twenty eight is the only frequency that crosses over from light, which is green, or to sound, and so for a lot of people, five twenty eight is a good healer. It relaxes. But also when you take a look at just a natural noise of the earth that that's seven pointy eighty three, it does the same thing. It can calm you down, it can help you,

it can give you hope. There's a lot of clearing. That's why people like to go camping or walk in the woods or do a lot of things because it's a natural frequency that helps you just get better and feel better. Oh who do we hate the most? We hate the Rockefellers, right because they're just back in the thirties, the Rockefellers decided to do something the Rocket Fell Foundation, and that was the standardized tuning. Have you ever heard

this? So I'm so glad you brought that up. I hope that's where my next question was going, because so I did it on the Fact Center. I did an episode on the Beatles a couple of years ago, and Paul McCartney and did he die right? And Billy Shears, et cetera. And I got an email from somebody that's like, hey, you ever heard about the frequency of records there four hundred and thirty or four thirty two mega

hurts and it can affect your blood pressure and your emotions. And I was like, what, I don't know if that's where you're going with this or not, but that that's kind of something i've heard. It is well, and it's funny that you would bring up the Beatles, right because because okay, four seventeen was this frequency that a lot of classical Baroque music was written in. That's a natural frequency that we find. The Rocketfellers came along and

said, no, we're going to do four forty. Four forty is the furthest extreme from a natural frequency that we can find in nature. And so four forty, like if you were if you were at four forty one, you'd be closer to uh, you know, a natural frequency, or or fourth you know, thirty nine, you know, but no, it's four

forty. It's the exact horrible frequency is just it's nasty, and the frequency it's it's a it's tuned to A. So when you're tuning up your guitar, when you're tuning up a piano, you go to the key of A and you and you get A to be at four forty frequency. That's how you tune. Oddly enough, with telephone, when you pick up a telephone, you hear the dial tone, that's that's a four forty. You can

you can tune a guitar off of that. But you brought up the Beatles, So Rockefeller change it to four forty because it's an unnatural it's not a good frequency at all. It's a brain disruptor. They know that because they were going tests with the Nazis to try to figure out how to disrupt the enemy by noise and by h When you take a look at the Beatles, and what did they come up with? They came up with the yellow submarine. What's that all about? Well, they go to the they go to

the place. The people were full of uh vibration. They're they're they're they're colorful, they're singing songs. Everything's going well, and all of a sudden, who's the bad guy? The blue meani the blue meaning comes up and he prohibits music, changes all the sounds. Uh, he perverts it all and and then the uh, you know, of course, the Blue Meani's Army comes in, right, and and and and and and all of a sudden, these these people become black and white, and they're fragile and they're

frail, and they're not living anymore. And Sergeant Peppers comes in and tries to overthrow. That's they're telling the story of Rockefeller. Before we had music, we it was uplifting, it was it tuned, It was in tune with our bodies, it was in tune with our mind. It helped us think better, clear, it gave us a better outlook. But four forty came around, and now the music doesn't have its original intention, and now it's poison. And so yeah, absolutely the rocket Fellers came in because it's

mind control and they can. One of the studies I saw this said that six percent of the people who will listen to music written in four forty will will act out. They'll they'll get violent. So back in the eighties, and remember seventies eighties, all the pastors telling them to burn your rock and roll records, they may not have been too far off. Well, because it's it I'm sorry to me to cut you off, just to clarify you. No, no, no, no, are you saying it's four thirty

two or four forty the the worst? What he is the worst? For thirty two, it's still, uh, it's still pretty decent. Okay, people do that because four thirty two four plus three plus two equals nine. Okay. I just wanted to clear out if that makes sense. Yeah, but four forty that's the that's the one that we're tuned to now. That was given to us by the Rockefellers. So it's what's sick is think about how sickness is. It's so sick that when you're at church and you're singing

your hymns or singing hymns in four forty. Wow, that is so sick. Yeah, you know that is he has infiltrated everything. I encourage people to listen to things. You can find it on YouTube and things to different symphonies and stuff, and and and the different frequencies. One of the frequencies you can find is four thirty two, but it wasn't one of the original.

Wasn't one of the original on the on the Solfeggio scale, which that's a that's the old time and the soul Fagio scale goes back to the Egyptians and goes it goes way back the scale these scales do. Yeah, there's some stories out there that let's say, uh, what wasn't it The Minister of Propaganda Goebbels in Nazi Germany was back in thirty nine ordered it to be replaced. Uh eight hurts from four thirty two to four forty. Right.

The tuning forks is what he changed. That's it, and and and and the whole purpose is is to separate us, just like the globe eirth, just like everything else, is to separate us from our creator. That's the whole purpose. And it's it's to plug our mind up. I mean, you know, like look at the food that we eat. You know, we we eat a lot of food like products. We don't really eat food anymore. Fluoride in your water that scales over your Peeni planet. Right,

What it's it's for connecting to your spirituality. It's your it's it's the it's the thing that that helps you connect. And so people don't don't connect because it's it's calcified and and things. And I'm not saying everybody should run out and start you know, doing doing Eastern stuff. That's what I'm saying.

You know, like yoga, for example, I think if you're a Christian, just figure out how to stretch a better way, because yoga is a ritual dance to the false cut, you know, that's what yoga is. You're going through process and it's telling a story usually of how Shiva or somebody conquered in the universe or whatever it's And and in those movements and in those dances that you're doing, even if you don't mean to, it gives power too to evil entities. Just figure out how to stretch some other way.

Uh. And your your third eye. Everybody talks about the third eye. I think the third eye really, to be honest with you, is uh propaganda. It's it's it's uh, it is a propaganda machine. Because the third eye and and all this, that's that's where your pituitary gland is and your petutary gland controls a lot of things. But that's that's not the spiritual part of the whole chakra system. And what does that mean anyway? Right? I think I think it's a way that that that is part of the

deception. Toward people off because either you want you want to have it, or you don't want to have it. Well, the people who want to have it, they don't have Christ. So they're sending up their antenna asking, you know, for their spirit guides or whatever to enter into their body. Well, you know, that's that's what a demon needs to be able to possess you. And of course Christians can't be possessed. But it's really kind of a waste of time. I'm more talking about when I think about

it, I'm more talking about these frequencies I think they are. I think they were set up by God to have us connect to everything that He created. And I think we have separated ourselves out of that and have taken ourselves out of the natural to uh to roidal field that God has set up. And I think it's all resonating off of the movement of the sun and of the stars and of the moon and the firmament causing the vibration, the original

vibration of of the glass dome of the firmament. Yeah, that's that's very interesting. Go ahead, I'm sorry, no no, I said, And and that's and that's how it connects us all and that's that's you know, but no, go ahead, no, I was supposed to say. And you're right. All the things are so subtle right there that they're not going to come out and say bow down before Satan. There there's just everything is so subtle. They just slowly separate you from God. And like you said,

the small things like with not grounding yourself. And of course we're not saying, you know, walk around them all with without your shoes on. But you know, even in the summertime, we've made it a point. You know, we go out and ground every day for out doing chores in the garden or I'm out picking apples in the summertime, we take our shoes

off and we try to ground for a little while every day. And when I remember, even back when I was little in the seventies, I hardly ever wore shoes, right, And then you feel better, sure, And again, yeah, I bring this up so oft so often people are probably tired of hearing about it. But it's just the way, you know, how there's very few people left in this country who still kind of live just I think the way you know, they don't have electronics, you know,

the homish people, I think they just they got it right. They understand. They don't live the worldly way. They have never complied. They didn't shut down their churches storing COVID. You know, some people got sick. People get sick every year and h but but they understand. They understand the importance of the Bible and eternal life. And there's people who talk the talk, and there's people who walk the walk, and they walk the walk.

They live by the word, and they're not afraid listen. They're human beings and they make mistakes. They're not perfect, but at the end of the day, they don't let man's law overstep God's law. Right. I'm I'm in the middle of a Mennonite country out here, and there they're the old order man. And I said they got steel wheeled buggies and stuff. Oh yeah, and I own I own twenty stoping acres and so we I can

very easily switch off the switch. You know, I have, I have everything I need to not have electric And because because I've learned for them, I've I've been driving for them for for a while, and so I've learned a lot about about that. I have like a wood burner cook stove and and all that, and we have chickens and pigs and we you know, I got a little little farm and agerie here. We can you know, because I mean even in the city, I think people should get a backyard

garden. I mean we did it during World War two victory gardens. I think we can do that again, just for your own self, because not only therapeutic get you back in touch with nature, and it's also a provision if things go a little sour, you know. Yeah, And it's definitely one of those skills that can be diminished if you don't practice it over time. And that, by the way, canning is something my wife has done

non stop for the last three years. Our whole what used to be a guest room is now just full of I mean, she can's everything you can can't eggs. She's got huge, you know, big glass jars of eggs that she cans. You know, of course, Apple's, you name it. It's she makes her own vanilla, her own vanilla extra. Yeah. Yeah, we do too with it. I think it's like Eddie proof vodka

and some like cinnamon sticks or something. Mhmm, yeah. That and then you can also if you use that high enough vodka that you can get like vanilla bean shells, like that's shells, but the husk, you can you can put them in there and you can actually get to vanilla taste. Oh nice. So that that's kind of in because you know, vanilla bean is expensive, but but you can get to husk and as expensive. That's it, and you can let sit for a take three months, I think,

in order for it to cure out, right. But that's the I mean, that's the that's the whole deal. You know, everything is to separate you out from your creator. And while while this is just a theory and I'm just just spitballing, you know something that I think about because I we know that the human residence is real, and obviously modern science has it wrong. Because if the Earth is spinning out in a vacuum, what's causing the

resistance for a resonance? Right? How can we have a resonance coming from the Earth? I can? How can how can we have a seven point three h hurts coming from a ball that's spinning out in the middle of a vacuum. What is the resistance? What is the thing? It's the same thing that why you know, how can spacecrafts move out there. What are they pushing off of you know, it's it's a vacuum. We shouldn't have

a we shouldn't have a resonance. But flat earth model, it makes sense that the whole Earth would have a resonance with the Sun and the moon and all the stars vibrating the dome. But I just like this kind of thing because I think we can move forward. I think we I think as a community, we can move forward a little bit now. I mean, I think we can take a look at this, you know, I would like to I would like to take a look at you know, and do more

research on how it works now that we know that it's a dome. Right now that we know we have a firmament and it's attached, and how does this all work? How does the electric work? How does you know? Can we take a look at Tesla is? Tesla coil is based off the theory of Earth being around and positive and negative charges working together to amplify energy.

Maybe we're the copper coil. That that's what I was getting ready to say, what you said, let's move on the first thing that came to my mind was, well, let's continue on with the Tesla's work and let's figure out this free energy. Right, there's a reason why they didn't like him. I think he's a holdover from the Age of Tartaria. But that's

just me. I think the Tartarian Age ended so that this new deception will can come forward, you know, I think I think we're in the in the in the age of in the last Ages, and they had to be taken out of so that Satan could fulfill the purpose of which he wants to

so that Christ can come back. There's too much there. The only other theory about Tartaria that I've heard that I'm not buying, or I haven't yet yet grasp it was that the ending of the Tartarian Age was Jesus had already come back and he already set up his kingdom for the thousand years, and that was the age of tartarias right, and then we know the Bible thing will be loose for a little bit, and then the Second Coming is coming

back. Well, you know, Satan's definitely loose, and I guess if you wanted to go that route, you could say, well, you know, we have Israel and they're they're up against Gog and Magog, which is Russia and Iran in so that all lines up. But my problem with the

theory is that we do not have a temple. There's no leftover Jewish temple, and I think there would have been a temple that what that or at least remnants of a temple from the time Jesus was here, because he's going to roll out it out of Jerusalem and we had the Dome of the Rock there, So I that's that's where it falls. Apart from me agree that theory. You know what George H. W. Bush's nickname was, what

was that Meg? Yeah, well, I mean that the two the two giants that were supposed to have got England together and their Gog and Magog. Yep, it got statues of them. And so indeed, yeah, you can ponder this stuff all day, and the fact is that everything is a lie, so you really have to. It makes it difficult to find the truth when you know everything is based on a lie. It's hard to put the puzzle together. Yes, it is, it is. It's it's it's

difficult because it's all deception. You know, there's there's so much deception. But again, I think I go back to the to the rule. You know that the Bible is one hundred percent correct, right, and if we don't, that's our part. That's not on the Bible's part, it's not on God's part. That's right. Basically, it won't come around and basually it all makes sense. Ivatually, we'll see how how this realm that we live in works. But I think a lot of it is happening outside of

our care and outside of our knowledge because we're we're apathetic. For the most part. Most people are just apathetic. They're they're happy with their circus and bread, that's right, and they're more worried about fitting in. You know, there's the old metaphor the meme of uh, you know, there's a fork in the road and there's like nine hundred nine and nine people going to

the left and there's one guy going to the right. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and that's where we're anyway, that that was just that was just a theory. I haven't heard any flat earth about residents and and the human residence and uh. And when it comes to the electromagnetic fields that that happened because we're we'ren't in an enclosed system, and how that may work and and how you know, energy and stuff flows through water, and of course we're

eighty percent water. And this whole idea, I haven't heard anybody talk about it when you when you bring it into the system of the flat earth. And I could be wrong, right, I mean, we're all learning and and I hope, I hope disperse some thoughts onto people. But you know, if if somebody can conclusively say that that's a that's just a crazy idea, I'm for it, you know, because we're all in this together. We're all trying to figure stuff out. There's no sense in a lot of

hatred. I see a lot of hatred sometimes in the conspiracy community and makes me sad because we're all just we're all just trying to figure it out. Yeah, there's some people who aren't willing to say, hey, that makes sense. I want to change my mind. There's there's a lot of people out there who are very stuck in their ways, and you're not going to

learn if you don't listen to other people. Right. One thing I would like to do, you know, Mercader's map from the sixteen hundreds is that shows Rupes Nigro, which is the black rock, which just happens to be the corporation that runs most of America today. I don't know if that's a coincidence. But again, that's the giant magnet at the North Bowl, which, by the way, it's circumference thirty three French miles are sure thirty three always always Yeah. I again, I just think that this is all place

there. See, I like I believe prediluvial the flood. Before the flood, I think they were giant trees, you know. I think I think that this is a giant tree. I think the Devil's Tower is a giant tree. I mean I think that. I think there's so many things that are hidden and and how would you have this? You would have this by by ecosystem, by ecosystem? Is that that allowed for it? And uh so I'm you know, the Big Rock, the Black Rock, you know, I mean, of course, what are the Muslims run around? They

run around the black Rock. Here's the recurring theme as black go. Right, you can see black goo and a lot of things. What's black go? Well, it's part of the Black Rock, you know. I mean, it's it's all connected. It is one big web of deception. It's been an absolute privilege to talk to you. It's been a great, uh

great conversation. But before we go, I do want to give you a chance to you know, if there's anything else you had to have had a chance to cover, or if you just like to address the audience, I'd like to give you that time. Now. Oh really, it's suspendation with you, Georgian. And I appreciate you having this podcast on. We need things like this. We need to be able to speak and and and and listen and and and I do. I got to give a shout out to

my friend Ethan Barnett. He he's the one that turned me onto your podcast. I did. I didn't even know existed, uh three months ago,

and he says, man, you got to listen to this guy. And so I listened to this, and of course I've been listening to The fact Hunter fact Hunters and and things, and so I've really enjoyed your work and things and and I just enjoy that you have people on that they can express because you know, and the and in the real world, you just can't go in and and start talking about these things because because people are so in in the matrix, you know, the documentary matrix not everybody can be unplugged,

and and not everybody hasn't open enough mind to see this deception, and so sometimes we feel really lonely. But with things like this, you know, we can we can have a connection, and we can talk and and and get things off our chest and realize that, you know, if we're crazy, there's a several hundred thousand other crazy people, you know, so it's really good we're not. We're not underneath the bush waiting for Jezebell to kill us. We have a savor. Yeah, we have a savior that's

risen and he's ready to at any time. And as we see the day approaching, the Bible tells us that we ought to gather together all the more. And I think the reas we do that is to encourage one another through the dark times. Amen. Well said, and I appreciate the calend words and shout out to Ethan Barnett. Thanks for sharing the podcast with folks. Greatly appreciate it. And by the way, you know, for people listening, we got a kind of a business line set up so if you guys

want to call. You know, a lot of people don't like to email, and sometimes emails can go. You know, weird things can happen. Go to the website, the flatter at files dot com. You'll see our phone number there. Give us a call. If I'm available, I'll pick it up. If not, leave a voicemail and we'll try to get back to you. You know, it's just I think twenty twenty four is going

to be a crazy year. Over the course of this past year, I've come to find, you know, through all the interviews and talking to people, there's a lot of folks out there who don't have a lot of people to talk to. So even if I take two or three minutes to chat with somebody, if that's if that can make the difference in somebody's day, that I want to try to do that. So yeah, absolutely, there you go. Yeah, because you know, the Chosen are the last watch.

You know, is the darkest time of the night. And you know, I think everybody's here at this time for purpose and a reason, and that that should give you again some hope that that God thought so much of you that he placed you here for this time as disgusting and as ugly and as depressing as it could be. When when we join together in fellowship, we bring the light of Christ to us, and and and it should encourage

us, and we should be thankful that we have brothers and sisters. And if you're just lonely, you need to you need to, you need to reach out. There's there's local churches everywhere, there's a fellowship that's just free.

So I would do that. I encourage it, indeed. And that phone of her, by the way, if you want to reach out to me, it's a three O two nine nine zero four two seven seven and again I'll start putting that in the show notes, and it's it's on the website on the news scroller as well, So feel free to reach reach out and say hello. And again, patch man, it's been a great time. God bless you and your mission, and thank you for doing God's work, sir, I appreciate it. Thank you, and to our listeners,

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