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without any further ado. We're going to bring on our special guests today. Richard, how are you doing, Sarah. It's great to meet you. Grade you two. George, well, good podcast man, I appreciate it. Yet we talked for about ten minutes prior to the podcast and really looking forward to this conversation. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Okay, first I wanted to not just open with prayer, if you don't mind you, yeah, I would love that. Lord. We
asked that you come to this conversation Lord with me and George here. You said, we're two or three, we're gathered together in your name. You would be there in the midst and we asked you to come down and just be with us in this conversation and let us not say any anything evil towards you, Lord and Jesus, not Christ's name, we pray this time. Amen. Amen, thank you for that. Yeah, yeah, I got to you and include me for sure. Amen. My name is Richard.
I am from born in Bad Axe, Michigan. They lived up there for twelve years. I guess my first introduction to church was my father was Catholic and he introduced me to the Catholic Church, and I just thought the Catholic church was just, oh my gosh. Everything was repeated and I was in all of this church and the priests coming down with their crosses and stuff. I mean just you know, the benches that you kneel on, you pretty
much just repeat what the preacher says, priests says or whatever. But I just was in all of that and didn't really know what to make of it really until I guess later she's at least my trainer fought here. Anyway. Yeah, so, uh hey, I'm gonna freeze him now, you're good brother. You were just talking about the Catholic Church and you know everything that went to it with un dealing and yeah. Anyway, yeah, uh so my father introduced me to the Catholic Church and and I just, uh,
you know, I was a young kid, five years old. I didn't really know anything. I just knew that you going to church and but you're hit your holy water and you know, and and looking to what the the what like who they call the Father, which you're not supposed to call no man father on earth. So I don't understand that. But anyway, uh I guess, uh, fast forward a couple of years, and you know, I went to Baptist churches and here and there. As a kid,
I wouldn't I got into trouble a lot and mischief ended up. Uh so, yeah, so I guess my first introduction into real church was twenty five and uh, let me go, let me get into why I'm doing this anyway, I just want to give my testimony sure my children, so that they could hear my voice. I gotta get through this nervous part here at the beginning here, But uh, I just believe in a testimony basically of my journey with God and and now I see the world. I want them
to know. They get taught in school, you know, alien centrism and all this stuff, and I just want them to know the truth. So anyway, fast forward, I guess to twenty five years old. I got married this Uh, this girl I got married to wanted to go to church, and she was a member of a message church. I don't know if you, I'm pretty much sure you're probably familiar with William Brandam. Yeah, yep, yep, yeah, and yeah so and that's a whole nother story.
So anyway, yeah, I so she uh introduced me to the message Message church and you know, wanted to go up church. So if he had a friend named Mike, shout out Mike. Uh, he'll listen to this. I'm here, I'm gonna share it with a bunch of people. So anyway, he introduced me to church pretty much, and and and my first wife. And so for three years, I you know, I wish just what they would call the Holy Roller Church. You know, uh uh these people were. But I'm gonna say something about them. They are the
most humble, bully people that I have ever met in my life. And you know, they believe a lot of people think that they're following a man or whatever. And the Bible said, I'll send you Elijah, the prophet before the great and gructural day of the Lord. And you know, are we still waiting on Elijah? You know, they seemed to think that this man was the spirit of Elijah, the prophet that was sent to earn the hearts of the children back to the fathers and the hearts of the fathers back
to the children. So for three years I studied and learned about his ministry. And if you want to put this in this show notes so it would be great, because I want people to to hear his ministry and see for themselves if you know, he perhaps could be a prophet. You know, I already have it noted. Shan't great. So you know, the I got you know, I love being He's my brother, but I can't get with him, he said. She told me, you know, he says
that William Brown's a false prophet. And I called him mountain on it, and he told me that, you know, only Jesus could heal. And I says, well, angelill come down, the Angel of the Lord, because he he I guess it calls William Brandham a false prophet because during Bertha Brown's ministry he would call. He would say, the Angel of the Lord is in the room. Whether it be one of the archangels, I don't
know. I know that there was an Angel of the Lord come down and stirred the pool of Bethesda, and the first person who got into the pool after he did it was healed. So that tells me that, I mean, when we think about God, another thing is how massive is God. He's everything. He's literally everything, and man makes things from God. All of God's creation is available for man to use for his will, you know. So, And I would say that that an Angel of the Lord could
heal because the Angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ. Everything's God. So that's my thought on that. He hasn't answered me back yet. And I hope if maybe he listens to this and he will, that would be great. But now none of us are perfect, none of us, you know, we all fall short and did everyone knows. I don't think they're the
man alive that has a perfect understanding of everything. And you know what if I can interject that I get that question all the time when I get these emails, is well, if you can't prove this, then it must be a globe. And no matter what, whether it's a globe or flat earth. To think that you have all the answers to God's creation, you're you're lying to yourself. Yeah. Yeah, the Bible even says none of us will understand God fully. Just there's so many mysteries. I mean, we
got pages and pages of notes the you know. But I guess the thing that got me believing in God at that age twenty five, here's this reckless kid, just got married, got a kid coming, but I married her. I was on top of the world, had my own business, built the house, and was heavy into God. Just and nature basically was the thing that got me there. How perfect the world is? You know, everything has a purpose. The trees give us life, we give the trees,
life in the circle of God's creation. It's so perfect, it's undeniables, from the birds, blind and the heavens to the creepy crawley things on the ground. It's it's simply perfect. And it's man that is has messed it up, indeed, generating I'm generally glad you broke that up, indeed, and they will try to reverse it and blame to blame God for some of these things, and of course us, the the little peons, whether
it's you know, where the climate change, this and that. But most of the evil things they do, like the geoengineering that goes on every day. I just did a podcast last night on the Fact un Or where we talked about, you know, right before Christmas, my wife and I noticed where the mid Atlantic region and by Dover, Delaware skies were just camtrailed to death. I mean, just like I've never seen it before. And over the last two weeks, many people I know and I've gotten emails from so
many others since the episode last night, people got sick. So they are intentionally trying and again this goes with the flat Earth. They are in intention both physically and psychologically, trying to alter God's creation. Yep. The amen to that, that is for sure. Only God creates. Satan just perverts it. Amen. We we built things off for God's creation. I mean it's for a man to create. That's not possible to me in my eyes.
So but you know, as you speak about that, I've got to the good Bible verse about so I just learned this recently about how man is. You know, man is tampered with the Word of God for so long that it literally there's so many different translations, so you almost have you have to go back to the old stuff, you know. I think I downloaded
this Geneva Bible and the one verts in Ephesians. Here you wrestle not against flesh and blood blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness which are in high places. And that version that you know this, these older versions give you the words that you need to use to go with the current. I read from the King James. I didn't know the word planets was
in the King James Bible. I didn't know Easter was in the King James Bible. But sure enough there it is. But if you go into the old scriptures from the fifteen hundreds, you'll find that planets was constellations, that's right, and Easter was simply the passover. So yeah, and that's what they can show you how that has been even if the Word of God has been tampered with for so long that you know, you really have to go big deep. Yeah, you're not going to understand things. I'm so glad
you brought that up because I get that. Also, people you know, talk about the King James Bible, which was you know, sixteen oh five ish. The Geneva Bible precedes it by fifty years, and that is something I've just started to kind of look into myself. I'm going to see if I can make a trip to eBay and try to get a physical copy of the Geneva Bobbole Yeah, how much it would cost, but it is available
online as well. So I'm so glad you brought that up. It just depends on what you want to get if youone are really good, when you're going to pay a lot. But for sure, yeah, and so I guess I guess. Uh. But anyway, Yeah, I was talking about Willia Brandam and that church and everything. Like I said, those people are great people. They try to live their life word the word in that Bible, and you know it's it's trick. And God's word is trick. Though
we got to understand that too, that you know his word. He's not somebody to play around with. This is this is the most ultimate being and and and I want to ask you a question, George, what what would you do if you were God? I don't like asking that question, but however it put yourself. You know, if you were God, how would you create it? What would you do? Would you want to be following
this crazy ball through flying through space at the crazy speeds? And or would you want to create this little chessboard in front of you and and play with the people because he said we were like grasshoppers, you know. And God literally has created everything from you know, I probably didn't say it, but he's created the evil as well. You know, he had to so whether that we would know what good and evil was, yeh, he gave it.
That's how I believe He gave us free will. And with free will, and you know inherently comes abuse of power, which is why we are in such a world. We're all that we're in today. Uh, And I'm glad you brought up Brandham as well. I think I listened to a lot of shortwave radio and I think they still play his old on WWCR out of Nashville. If you have a short wave radio, just look up WWCR.
And I think they have a program schedule there because they don't fill all their time slots because everybody uses internet now, whether it's WBCQ and Monticello or WMRI I down in Miami. But I think they still play his tapes. I know one of them still play Father Coughlin's tapes. Are you Are you familiar with them Father Coughlin, No, I'm not. He's a post word two guy, similar to brand Him. Now here's the thing, right,
the official narrative is always a pretty good factor. Like if they talked down about somebody that he might have been good, right, David Koresh In nineteen ninety three, after Waco burned down, everybody said crazy, like David Koresh, Well, what did it turn out? It turned out that it was just a normal guy. Just a couple of weeks ago, I played one of the survivor's testimony. He said, we just wanted to be left alone.
That's all we wanted to do. And of course the media, which is controlled by ninety six percent, you know, by one corporation, put him out to be some evil guy to cover up what that really was, which was a without a doubt, it happened on April nineteenth, and it was a sacrifice to Moloch. And if you look at the official narrative, I'm sure right now, if you go to Wikipedia, you look up William Brownham, I'm sure they'll say he's some kind of crazy could leader. It'll
have this. If you read David Koresh's wiki page and William Brownham's wiki page, I will guarantee you they're similar. And once again, I'm not advocating everything they did. I'm not super well read up on Wyam bred him as much as I am, like Father Coughlin. But it goes to show that the official narrative is if there's somebody who may be leading to something good, that they'll say, oh, he's really bad, right, Just that's that's the way history has shown us. Yeah, exactly, Well, all the
prophets were crazy, every one of them. We see that in the Bible. Throughout the Bible, they were all really crazy. So yeah, as far as far as William Brown's ministry goes, it's it's the most amazing ministry I've ever seen in my life. He literally had the pillar of fire uh filmed over his head, all these miracles he here shield these people, and
so I don't know, I believe it be true. I believe he could be the Elijah, the prophet that's supposed to come before that dreadful day to turn us back to really preach the deep down word I mean every word literally, but anyway to get off that subject. You know, I love Brother Dean, I love his preaching. What I stopped listening to Brother Dean because of that? Absolutely not, absolutely not. I loved listening to Dean odles ministry, and the debate that they had was really something. I still get
emails about that. Wow. Wow. I mean, you invite a man to your church and he had an amazing he Brother Dean went, just give them all Bible. It was just all Bible. When you look at the scriptures and they all coincide with flat earth, there's nothing, there's nothing he could even come back with. It was, you know, and I've been brand for uh, mister Locke brother Locke, and I hope he I hope he can see it. I think it was what is one of his sons
came to him with flatters a lot sure about the story. Yeah, he talked not it's too favorably about his son on that. Why would you talk about your son like that on a public platform. I don't know. I when when being got done and everybody was cheering, and I was like, what is he gonna come with us? What? What possibly could he come with? I'd be iven sat here with my wife and and I tell her stuff all the time about I think I give her too much, but he
says her head and so blown up with stuff that I say. But God bless her. I believe she was sending to me. For sure, she would be the only one that could possibly listen to all of this stuff come out of my mouth past six once. So anyway, yeah, I believe, I believe. I believe he was a prophet. I So that's my take on that. And I just want to, you know, say that sort of defending them people. I guess they call them holy rollers and everything
else. They literally are persecuted pretty bad. Well, I'll tell you, I guarantee that a large percentage of our listening audience has never heard of them, and I hope they do take the time to research for themselves. And yeah, I give the absolutely. That's why I brought it up, and that's why I'm talking about him there. I believe his ministry was great and the like I said, I've never heard a preacher preach like he could preach.
It just there was something about that man that because there's something about him anyway, you know. And he needn't never ask for money nothing. I never heard anything of the sort. So and I believe God took the man in early in his life. I believe it was fifty four when he got the car crashed. Yeah, it wasn't very old and died. Yeah. And I you know, honestly, I believe God took him because he didn't talk about planets and all this, you know, creation. And maybe God
took him because it wasn't his thing to do at that time. I don't know. But anyway, back to the debate, you know, when Locke told him to get out of my church at the end, I just it was cringe worthy. I can't listen to the man. I need to say that. But I can't. It was very insulting. So you can see the spirit of Satan working even in the church. I mean, where else is he gonna go? The church is where all the believer is at.
He has all the other people that are in doctrinate, indoctrinated and don't care about life. They just you know, And I was the same way. I feel. So I fell away from the church because in my marriage. So I had to talk about that a little bit. So my marriage, you know, I told you before, I was on top of the world, you know, going to church every Wednesday, every Sunday. I got
where I could turn my head when a good looking woman walk by. I was a womanizer when I was younger, and the ladies were my thinging. So I quit school at an early age and went to work because now here I am making this good money and needs who needs to go to school. I was chasing women, living bad back then. But anyway, back to well, my marriage, I was on top of the world, had my own business, I was everything in church. Life was great. I was
on top of the world, talking about God all the time. The next thing, you know, she decided to run off with the past. Two grandson of the church. We were going to it, right what I slapped in the face. Wow? And now could I be like Joe my life? I felt like I felt like Joe in the Bible, I really did, and I didn't have. My life fell apart. It literally fell apart. She with the pastor's grandson. So it was a tough thing and I lost it all, lost everything and a dars all of it, and I
fell away from the church. You know, I backslid, and for twenty six years or so, I didn't even think about it. You know. I thought about God on a regular basis, and he would come to mind, but I was just going through life, not caring about anything but me, you know. So and then once ago, like I said earlier, that's when it all just hit me. When I was sitting here in the chair, that just here, I am racing remote control cars and having a good old time. One day, asked my hobby. I raced little RC
cars. Here, I am racing these little cars and not worried about life, and all of a sudden, I start thinking about God again. It just hits me and asked them, what you know, what is it all about? Well, George, she ripped the veil off of my eyes, and I see the world for what it is. My flat Earth friend used to talk about her all the time, but now would be what, you know, you're crazy, I said, I believe everything else you say. But and I just can't get behind the flatter So but six months ago,
wasn't it last? Six or five months ago or so? And God just she ripped the veil right off my face, and I see it for what it is now. Literally, go in the Bible and two hundred years are more that clearly describe flat Earth. It describes this creation as being stationary, immovable on tillers and on foundations. You don't build a foundation that's going to be moved. Exactly exactly what was the actual event when, when when the veil was ripped off? Was it was it? I know you went to
the Bible, but what why was it flat Earth? Was it a reminder from one of your friends? Was it a video that popped up? Why? Why was it flatter that you went down to investigate? Well, I just I you know, like I said, I asked the Lord to show me. And then you know, the next thing, you know, I'm looking at videos. My outlet is Facebook, It's the only social media platform I'm on. I was so big MySpace back when it first came out.
Yeah, and then that faded away. Yeah. I didn't have a Facebook page for a long time, and so finally I guess it's forty when I got a Facebook started. So I play on that Facebook all the time. And it's dig deep and speaking of that, when you like you first get into it, you pipe in anything like that, and it does bring it
to all the debunking stuff without a doubt. I've got my phone, so the algorithms are so good on my phone now that it literally brings me flatter stuff now, no kidding, you know, Oh yeah, between the space stuff. It's half and half, gotcha, it still shoots space stuff because I'll comment on something. As soon as you comment or like something, it brings it into the algorithm. You're gonna get that. Oh yeah, it's
listening to us for crying out loud. Me and my wife is sitting here talking about stuff and the next thing you know, it's on your beat. Yeah, on your phone. So I just I started looking into it and researching and looking at videos and got turned on to David Weiss and Triple Crow seven and it's great. Yeah, I'll come across your podcast and I was like, let's give this a listen. And I started listening to your podcasts
every day I work. You know, you put out about two podcasts a week, and I love it. It's great to listen to other people's testimonies about how they came to believe in that the Earth is really not movie not spinning chaotically through space. Yeah, it is such an important part of to understand the web of deception that we live in and to fully understand that. You know, if they can lie about this, then what else are they
lying about? Which really helps destroy some of that cognitive dissonance and and really improves one's critical thinking skills. Yeah, that was the big question at first, is why the lie? And then our senior episode it was I think
your first one was why the lie? Yep started listening. Like I said, your your podcast is really open eyes to a lot, listening to the different people come on there from all walks of life and and just share their their feelings about what world we actually live in, you know, their theories or whatever. Yeah, you look at NASA, that's all over your feed with the film fails, there's so many fails on I don't want I've got a space buddy. He he's a Christian guy and I used to work with
him and the keating and cooling business and he just loves space. Oh my god, post after post after posts, and we got into it several times. I pretty much all the people on my Facebook know that I'm I believe in flatter if and I've been called crazy and you name it. It's definitely amount, but I'm not. I'm not gonna hide, that's for sure.
I'm gonna share it with everybody. I think everybody needs to know my especially my children and stuff at which you know, I want him to learn about the Lord mostly, and that's where I'm instilled in a mouth because for well, like I said, twenty six years I backslid, and now the Lord's
opened my eyes and gave me a whole new meaning of life. And God is really the only thing good in this world, the only finding it, man, is not that we've seen that time and time again, and that we are certainly flought from the pandemic pandemic to uh, you know, knocking down the Georgia guidestone because they didn't want it to see the truth. Yeah, that started catching traction and that that was another rabbit hole in itself. That the day was destroyed was on George H. W. Bush's birthday,
and of course he was a skull and bones guy as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing, is the symbolism always all over the place. Symbolism is And yeah, you're You've really showed me a lot of the symbolism as I listened to your show. It's it's crazy and you know the Masonic Freemasons, Jesuits just see it goes down the line. It's it's deep.
It's deep when you really start researching it. For sure, mud floods and Tartaria and the Nephilon and I think, but the same that it got me, I guess believe in the most was the North Star and how it doesn't ever move. You know, we're flying crazy through space one thousand miles an hour, we're spending no, five hundred hours miles an hour chasing the sun. When the Bible tells us the sun and is right here, it's it's
local. Yeah, yeah, what is it? The sky or the sun tells you the hour, the moon tells you the month, and the stars tell you the season. Right, yep, for sure. I love David Weiss's app. That's great. Bought it and I didn't get the extended gets the script to it or anything. But I've been telling people about that app because that is the perfect way to see it, right in front of your face. It literally keeps time all right, whenever the respect of our eyes
are they tricked? Just secure. But when you go, you know, I find myself going outside when as soon as I walk outside, I look up and I'm an astronomer. I'm astrongler now because I want to see the stars and I want to get a PEE nine hundred camera so I can zoom in on the little watery stars you know that are up there. They show us all these images of these detailed planets and all this stuff, and they're
they're not detailed. I'll I'll send somebody. They say, oh, I've seen I've seen the planets with the telescope, and if you're smart, you'll be able to see it for yourself. And I'm like, you haven't never seen no planet, my friend, You've seen this. And I'll send them a little image of a star with the kimbering light. You know, this is as much of a planet as you've ever seen. All you've seen is
what NASA shows you. And man they just go nuts about. They leave everything that man has taught them about the stars and the moon and sun, you know. Yep, yeah, and they'll fight you tooth and mel they'll fight you tooth and nail over it to one hundred percent. That doctor Nation. I don't remember if I mentioned this on my last interview, but one of the I was trying to find it real quick. The search engine on
Gmail stinks. But they were talking about that, uh you know, the stars or was my note that uh you know when you in the Book of Enoch they talk about was it the seven in prisoned angels? And if you take away Pluto and Earth, you know, there's seven planets. I thought it was very interesting. So, oh, yeah, they're not. They're all named after Greek gods. Yeah, yep, for sure. I mean, and the wandering stars Mercury is and the thing about nass is they change
everything. So when I I started looking up what is it? Yeah, the sixteen six thousand, six hundred, Yes, the six sixty thousand, six hundred miles an hour conveniently got changed to sixty seven thousand miles. They rounded it up to a couple months later. Yeah, literally, a couple months later, I googled it again and it was sixty seven. Because they're they're catching on that worked at you one to the other numbers. You know,
it's amazing. And it's not only that, it's several numbers are different within months. It's like this movement is really taking off. I see so many people joining these flatters on Facebook. It's not even funny that they even say, jeezus, in two years, the numbers have increased by like ten We got like ten thousand members most where we only had a thousand for several
years. You know, this this movement is really taking it off, and I believe God is ripping the veil all of our eyes in these in these end times. Yep. So so I feel Satan got greedy, and I've said this many times that he overplayed his hand during COVID and that woke so many people up, and so that now like, if they can lie about that, then I think people started to, you know, look for truth
elsewhere. And if they could lie about that, then maybe you know, people were able to let their guard down and to look into flat Earth and I can tell you because when I started this podcast, it didn't seem like there's many. You know, it's just like I say that, you know, nobody's a Nickelback fan, but they sell a hundred million records. There's no flat earthers out there, but you know, I see my my download
numbers. There, there's a lot of flat earthers out there. By the way, Caitlin was the one who had mentioned in the Book of Enoch they talk about the seven in prison angels. If you take the way, there's seven planets left. So maybe these seven in prison angels are you know, Mercury, Saturn, et cetera. That that was her thought, that that
makes sense. That's definitely something to look into for sure. I just I think the planets are just well wandering stars basically, they're not even planet's relations. Yeah, and putting planets and constantines too, right, like we all do planets, right, if you take out the tea, it's the plane planes. Yeah, yeah, that's where they get minus when they shoot them rockets and all that. That's right, yeah, minus, that's right.
Speaking of the stars and stuff, Mercury is supposedly closer to Earth than it used to be I guess no, No, it used to be Venus. They used to say Venus was the closest to the Earth. Now it's Mercury. Or they changed, or their wandering, they're moving around. I had there was a guy that was in astronoo me and what did he tell me? He said, he has never seen such movement in Venus in all the
sixty years looking at the stars, I think he said. And I found that really interesting because if they're changing their orbits or changing their patterns, then that's something to be concerned about, because I think the Bible mentions that at the end times, you know, things getting knocked out of their course and you'll start seeing more meteor showers. They talk about meteor showers and things quite a bit more often than when I was a kid. Ye nowadays. Yeah,
the solar flares and they're always pushing this fear porn too. Days ago it was reported that there was this huge solar flare and twenty five percent of America could be out of internet and phones, and you know, I didn't hear anything. And the other thing that people really need to start considering as part of their silver bullets when they're communicating with people. It's just the distances, right, what mercury is? What seventy eight million miles away from the
Earth. Come on, man, sit down and actually think about how far seventy eight million miles is. And then you know again you look at the Moon, you look at the Sun. How is one only two hundred and thirty nine thousand miles away and the other one is you know, ninety three million miles away. It's just absurd. What's the chances of living to you
being the same size? It's what like one in a billion? Yeah, you know when they eclipse each other and and the Moon covers the Sun almost perfectly, How does that happen It were not on a stationary plane and they're not moving above us, then I don't understand how that could possibly happen at all. Right now they got cgi pictures of sunsets from the ISS. They've got uh they changed that. Oh that was another thing was the how they
changed how we've seen the roller system. Like in the seventies, it was it's on in the middle, all the planets are taking perfectly around it, and then now it's this crazy vortex flying through you know, space. What is it? What do they say? A million something to the ever expanding galaxy mean something in the house, and it's just has changed, and why are they changing? Why is it changed over and over and over they did just throughout time and changes. And then people will say, oh it's they
got excuse for everything. Thing. It's man knows it's doing this now, you know, whereas before in the old and days eighty and no. Technology so advanced and we're so much smarter, but really we're dumbat oh one hundred, we so h we are so far away from nature. And another question is when we talk about the planets, how is mercury? And this is another question to ask glovers and let's say big bang folks. So according to science, mercury is four point five billion years old. Yet I'm sorry,
Mars is four point six billion years old. It's just and even the official narrative, you know, the iron oxide, dust and the soil and man that you know, just the work that went into the deception is incredible. Oh yeah, it's incredible, but it's it's basically the men and laptoats and man themselves. We just think we're so smart and we're really we're really not. You know, they got a theory of gravity. Where did that come from? Because apple fell on somebody's head. Oh we got gravity now,
and that's a proving thing. It's not. I never even believed in gravity as a as a youngster almost it was like, what is this magical force? And what does that pale? The guy spins the pale around and this is gravity? In school? Yeah, well, that's why you let people know when you tell these things Psalms one, eighteen eight. It's better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in men, for sure. And when you when you yeah, when you look at the Bible, it's like
it's perfect, but man's messed with that. Dude, translation are unbelievable. That how they change the words throughout you know, history and speaking of history, his story, uh, I mean, I've He's opened my eyes to everything from Tartaria to mud floods. I don't really know how the nephilm. Maybe you can shed some light on this, how the nephil them continued to the giants that the Bible talks about, how how did they continue to live
amongst us? That the spirits in this day because they were supposed to be destroyed. But right with the flood, you know what I mean exactly right. So you know, there there's a talk of the watchers at Enoch and whether it's the Nephilim. I don't think they survived. I think you know, these people who were around today are probably the continuation of Nemrod and uh very you know, obviously Caine was the first a lot of you know that the Book of Genesis. You know, it's amazing that I got Gary Wayne
Genesis sixth Conspiracy right next to me. And you know how that one chapter he was able to produce an eight hundred page book is just incredible. And that is something that I still struggle with at many times, is you know, the folks, as we say, at the top of the food chain, how they communicate with Satan to carry out his you know, wishes and the things that these the evil thing. Here's the other thing. People don't understand how evil the world is. For instance, you look at nine to
eleven and you try to tell somebody the truth about nine to eleven. They said nobody could do that. And then you try to explain to people that these people who are in these and again, you don't get to be president of the United States by working hard and r up your sleeves and kissing babies. You're given that spot, you're appointed to that spot. You have to
do horrible things to get on that position in the world stage. The Illuminati the Freemasons believe you have to basically recruit one soul for Satan every year if
you want to continue your success and to receive earthly goods. And these people, once they get this life where they can have anything that they want, they'll they'll go to no end to ensure that that you know that they provide that to Satan, to Lucifer. And that's why everything is so man the commercials on TV, to the music industry, movie industry, everything is filth ridden. And the heliocentrism is just the cherry on the top to steer people
away from God. And that's what everything is really about, just to divert you. Sports politics, Uh, it's all to divide, conquer, and to divert you from God. For sure, I absolutely agree with all of that. That the or Hey, I'm a Michigan fan. Now we just want ask some championship. Well, I you know, I don't watch as much as I used to. Yeah, I'm I I've always been a big college football fan. Oh yeah, yeah, it's and again everybody should happen.
It's not that diverse people who indulge themselves and that's all they think about, right, Yeah, the God's the last thing on their minds, right, So absolutely, yeah, it's a total deception. I won't think that powers that be even know that they're doing it. Half the time. Some of them do, some of them don't. They don't even know. They're just that good point. We go through life and we just don't ask these questions we're supposed to. You know, I've always kind of felt the little
eggs insignificant in parts of my life. So I don't feel it isn't significant anymore, and I feel like I've got a purpose now there's a reason why I'm here. That's right. Either believe one or the other. You either believe in evolutionary believed in creation. You know, we come from monkeys or God created us in his image. One of the twops one's right and one's wrongs. The speed of the Sun changes through time, the speedy of the earth around the Sun changes, the axis tilt change. It used to be
twenty three point forty four. You know, that's twenty three point five. Yeah, because they realize every I was figuring out the sixes. I'm just looking at different notes and out I wrote down. Yeah, they changed all the numbers because they know that we're on to them. So can I ask
you a few questions? Yeah? Sure. So do you think going back, how do you think that they've known all along that that the ball was a lie and it was intentionally brought about to deceive Or do you think there was a chain of a vests that happened like during World War two and high jump and they went down there and they found the firmament, and then they realized that, you know, the word of God was really true, and
we lived in an enclosed environment. There was no way out, and they figured it out a way to try to deceive everyone at the same time realizing that hey, we can build millions of dollars a day through this thing called NASA and fake the Spake mission or do the like everything else. It's just as planned generations ahead of time. I think they've got a plan a lot of time for things that they're trying to hide from us, for sure.
I mean, these things happened so long ago, what the sixties when Apriclip and high Jump and all that happened out perished and Dominic fish Bowl, and yeah, it started in the late forties. Donminic was fifties and you know the Apollo. Why would Grissom with sixty Why would you bring over your worst inmy hit a paper clip, right, not just one, but many thousands and have them run your organizations, your government organizations over here. Seems strange
to me. They're definitely hiding something. I don't know what Admiral Bird found beyond the ice wall. I watched a little video today of him supposed to traveling through one of the gates in the ice wall, and I don't know. You know me, He said he's seen land on the other side. I don't know if that's true. I've seen the maps. Then we can just speculate these are things that we don't know because the world is way too
vast and due. They won't even let you go down there. Well they will, but you got to spend several thousand dollars and just then you'll they'll take you on a cruise and you'll see the penguins and go to Deception Island and Rothschild Island, Deception and rothschild that you can't even see on a satellite image. Try to zoom in on them islands. It's not very easy to do. So, yeah, I was gonna say, you've been awake to flat earth for five or six months? Now, how is it? No?
Obviously for a lot of people it's completely changed their lives as again how they see the world. How was it for you once you you really understood it, did it take for you to fully comprehend the lie and to kind of accept like this is like the biggest lie that that's ever been told. I still don't comprehend it. So it's literally huge. It's everything. It's old deception, right, it's been a part of our life for like you
and I so endorous. Yeah uh he now, Satan took Jesus up on the mountain and said, I'll give you all of these lands if you'll bow down to me. They were already his from the old time. Didn't till now i'd really get into those buildings of the old architecture and the that's something that's just blows my mind when I say them buildings with the gargoyles and the griffins down the corners of them, why do we even have them things if they didn't exist. Usually man will create things or not. I can't say
create. You'll make things according to what's around them, you know. I believe that them things were real, you know, then were the nephil and then were the offspring of the falling angels. So these were the pre flood monsters basically, right, those buildings that they built for the world's bears and
then tore them down. Yeah, what are your thoughts? This is absolutely Yeah, since you brought that up, and and again, this is still one subject I haven't had And shame on me for not taking the time. It's just been so busy with everything else, with Tartaria and the mud flood and the timeline. Have you done some research into that and what is your initial thoughts on what happened with that. They don't know much about the mud
floods. They talk about how the earth can move like quicksands, some theories about that, But my my, I think it's just the flood. I think the flood wiped everything out, and with all that water on earth,
it had to bring up a bunch of mud from the bottom. I believe God just strayed all those Nephlin and giants, and we watched I watched the movie with Russell Crowe called Noah, and it had the It had a whole different take on it was far effect but and not all according to the Bible, but it had a really good take on giants and how they you know, things were just awful and dark back in and I yeah, I think that the flood came in and wiped it all out, and all the structures
stayed and remained buried in MUDs andrey when it repopulated. I mean, you see all these old pictures with men in top acts and forcing buggy, and there's no way that they made them. There's no way. I believe that the old structures were made by the hands of the nephil them. I believe
the spirits made them. You'd see all these different statues of women, especially, I mean there is statues of men as well, a lots and lots and lots of statues of women, and I think the nephil of them were fascinated with women's and that's what was you know, from the beginning of time, it's the original sin has been sex, you know, from the Garden of Eden on down, it's it's all been about sex. I mean, if it was eating apples in the garden of Eden, we better start passing
out the apples again because women have been naked chip for you know. But yeah, that's my take on it. I think the floods came and destroyed all that ancient architecture. And do you think the Nephelom were responsible for the pyramids? Do you think they are pre flood architecture as well? Yeah, without a doubt, I think it has to be. I don't see any other way that the huge stones could get moved. I mean, I've heard
of different theories with the the vibrations and you know everything. I didn't even know that, you know, Like I said, I've learned so much in the past six months, I can't even get it all out an hour and a half. I know. Yeah, you certainly learned about vibrations. I didn't know that every thing matter and everything's got a vibration. I had no clue. Yeah, one of the things, some kind of vibrations that big
stones. I don't know. Yeah. Well, one of the thoughts that I saw was, I guess once a year, the Nile River floods and they would set up the water, like they would build this waterway to lead to to make the mortar, and they would build them, uh you know in these uh frames kind of uh forms, right, like you would form build forms for steps, concrete steps, and even that was kind of okay.
But but I I'm with you. I think that's top five. I think yeah, I think you know, helio cention, helio centrism is a
great deception. I do think there's some kind of scientific thing to the chambers in uh those pyramids, for sure, and they were built pre flood, and like everything else, they illuminate themselves that people at the top know exactly what they're for, why they're there, and they give us the the BS story if you will, right that it was you know, these strong slaves you know, built these you know, back in ancient Egyptian days, and
it's just nothing could be further from the truth. They had free energy. I learned all about that too, them high rise, the steeples, and how they had the mercury up in there, and just oh, there's so much but ether is real. Yeah, I believe there's energy. That the Earth is energy. It's just a positive. The Sun's the positive. The moons of the nagative. You know, it's all energy. We'll put two magnets against each other without a doubt. There's energy right there. Yeah,
I was looking at the magnet trails today. They were talking about magnet trails that. I listened to David Weiss's podcast too. When I'm all caught up on ears, I'll go back and listen to some of his old stuff and you know, and Crow Triple seven. Just as much as I could get a that. I just want to learn more and more about new theories. It's just for my own benefit because it is so much there. It's like every day you see something new. It's like, well, wow, even
in the Bible. I see something new every day when it comes to the Bible, yep, well one hundred percent. And sometimes when you're reading, you go back and read it again. You know, you're not always focused the same way every single time. Something I've been stuck on a lot recently is you know, you go to Genesis six, verse five, and it talks about how God saw the wickedness and man and you know, everything was
this continuous evil and he decided to wipe the earth down. And then you look at the world today and then you ask yourself, were things really worse than than they are today? My goodness, I couldn't even fathom. And that's one of the reasons I kind of realized that, you know, maybe maybe we aren't too far away from end times because even just in the last thirty just to be fair, at thirty years, they're not hiding their evil anymore they used to, and I can go back and dissect certain things and
see how they were able to cleverly cloak their evil. Part of it was because we didn't have the Internet and all this research available to us, you know, us old timers. We had to get in our nineteen seventy seven country Squire station wagon and go down to the library and utilize the Dewey decimal
system do our research. And now everything is at the tip of our hand, and everything is instantaneous, so we're able to research them up and grab or grab them or grab the Encyclopedia Berdanica and do a book report and look up Antarctica. I want to get a copy of one of those nineteen fifty eight I've step fathering. Yeah, yeah, where it literally shows the dome at thirteen thousand feet and you know where did all this information come from. If it wasn't, and where did it go? You know, you know,
you know what I mean. Now it's like, oh, that's let's do away with that book. Where what do they say? We're worth so much smarter than we were back in the sixties and this sties and so yeah, one hundred percent they think when you are with with all the technology they got going on. But it's technology really that's been here for years and years. Yep. We're just finding out how to make us all paid for it.
Hey. Yeah, that's the thing with the with that old type of energy in the ether, they couldn't put a toll on it, they couldn't charge for it. So you know, they came up with, you know, let's use electricity and we can charge people. And I'm want to co op. So some months are good, some months are bad. I think this months was too. Right around two fifty it's you, uh, you pretty much have your homestead there, don't you. Yeah, we're on septic so I have my own septic tank. I run my own trash to the
dump. I don't have uh, you know, any of that stuff. We have our own well, we've got our greenhouse, we have our chickens, and that the only thing we really have to rely on for the for the county is the electric. Yep, yep, they'll get their electric too. Yeah. Yeah, well it was free at one time it was created. One's gonna absolutely got to make you pay for any everything. The money is readable all evil, that they said. So the love of money is
certainly the root of all evil. And the way money is utilized today is become a it's I hate to use the word, but it's certainly become a slave system. And once again, what's the Bible tell about usury? About euery? Yeah, you know, interest and you know, oh yeah, for sure, for sure for stuared. Oh yes, so much show stuff we can talk about. I mean it, I'm just looking at some of the stuff. Yeah, whichever way you want to go. You want to
talk about your silver bullets, Oh yeah, I can sure. The first one is the north Star. I mean, well, the first one is God's words. Am into that spot on if anything. You know, there's some people try to not use the word for it, but I think that's number one. I mean, it's all through there. It describes it perfectly, could describe creation perfectly. Me. So and the second, I guess is the North Star. For sure, it stays in the same position,
never moves. I actually wanted to. I don't have a telescope right now, and I'm saving up. I want to get a P nine hundred camera, even if it's a used one. Yeah, because it seems like, you know, every time I walk outside now, I look straight up every time and look at the moon and study it and where it's at. I even know that if it's going to be a crescent this day, and I know it's going to be behind the sun this day in the daytime, you'll
be able to see it. I just I've been studying the stars and moon and sun like religiously. Here cletly, it's all ever do There's a P nine hundred on eBay right now in mint condition for three ninety nine. That's a used one. I know. I've seen that. Yeah, the other day we were looking at them. And if even if I have to pick up yeah, that's well. Yeah, I think the nine hundreds they don't make anymore. I think they're on the P one thousands, which I think
right about a thousand bucks. They just continued it. That's strange, isn't it. Yeah, I wonder why nothing to see here? Move a little quarter in your jar for me. No coincidence here. We just stopped making them because man can see too far. Yep, we see way too far. But I want to do the experiments for myself, just so I can see with my own two eyes. I see the videos, you know, the Chicago skyline, across the lake here in Michigan. I see all of
it online. And they can literally make anything as far as picture quality goes these days. You see what they do with NASA and they make those images. What it must say, it looks so fake. It's got to be real. It's got to be real. Yeah, you said that when he launched. It's oh good with now a end of space. Right, that's the most ridiculous picture ever. Yeah, that is certainly ridiculous, which all
of them are pretty ridiculous. And you know, they got two pictures of the Earth since they've been going to the moon, and we've only took two legitimate pictures. Every one of the other ones are supposedly coposit and they're doing it now where they don't even put composite down there. Now. They want you to they want you to believe it's the real image. Yeah, yeah,
there's a little sadduring so stark. Yeah, they used to put something like official rendering or some kind of wordsmithing like that to just kind of say that, you know, this is an image. But yeah, they don't even do that now, especially like when the when the smartphone came out in seven or eight whenever it was, and everybody had the blue marble on their phone. Everybody just assumed that was a picture of Earth. That was another
one of these subtle, some subconscious reinforcements of the globe. Absolutely, the apple flowing with the bite taking out of everything, that kind of yeah. Right. Do you remember how much the original Apple two computer costs when it first came out back in the eighties eighty six, eighty seven, eighty five. You're gonna tell me it was six hundred sixty six dollars. Isn't sixty
six cents? I fun? Yeah, I still remember seeing those old commercials from the newspaper and just like, wow, I have if people you know, here here's an Apple logo with a bite taking care out of it, and the price just incredible. Nothing to see here are Washington Monument to only six hundred and sixty six six six hundred and sixty six inches. Yep. Co founder Steve wasn't. The official story is you know the the co founder
was Steve Wisniak, And he said, I just like repeating digits. It was just a coincidence that it was six hundred and sixty six dollars whatever, dude, very funny. It's right in front of everybody's face. But if they would just look into it a little bit, they would see it. Yeah, space force? What do we need a space force for? That's another thing. The alien threat they're gonna come out with here soon. I
think that's gonna happen. They've been pushing aliens for how long now? And then the Trump comes out and says, we're going to have space force now, And I laugh at David Weiss's stuff. He's got Donald Trump imitation on there, and he's talking about the flat Earth forcep next, Well, why would we need a space force if there wasn't some kind of threat coming down the line? You know, exactly what are we protecting up there? And
it's just interesting to me that this happened. It hasn't happened yet. It's more likely, especially with everything that's happened in the world over the last forty eight hours, that they're just going to utilize another big war instead of going a different way. I think they realized that that they're not going to be able to pull another pandemic for this generation. For sure, maybe down the road with Marburg if you do a little research into Marburg and Supreme Court rulings
and things like that. But I'm surprised they kind of haven't pulled it off yet. They've actually, you know, it's been forty years in the making, at least with Reagan's speech talking about how the world you would unite if there were forces from outside this world, right, kind of like an Independence Day another one of these movies that would reinforce, well, the world comes together to fight these aliens. I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't hasn't happened
yet. I remember that. I remember that, Yep, it's gonna come, and I think they're landing on it. Maybe that's the twenty thirty agenda No so good point. Yeah, that that would still give them plenty of time for another world war. That's for sure. It's coming down the bike. I don't know if God's going to destroy it through man and craziness with his wars and blowing stuff up and fire that way. It's you know, and the nuclear weapons. We don't really know if they really got these big
gigantic missiles or not. Right, h is God going to allow man to destroy with fire? There's a question I've often asked myself. Or is God going to do it with his own fire, right at his own hands right over the interesting The Sun's crazy? That's done. It's not talking about that sun again. You know, if if there was that big and we're chasing that thing through space, wouldn't there be some kind of strail off the sun, you know, like a comet trail burning asket. That blows my mind?
Well, yeah, the same with us if we're suspending off the most I'm sorry to me, there's fireball in space and it don't it don't have nothing coming off of it, you know, right right, I'm sorry. I keep changing the salt. No, you're good. Just put put a marshmallow on a stick, you know how you go you make your s'mores, Light that bad boil on fire and just spin it back and forth a little bit. You'll see a flame trail coming off of that thing, and the
same for us. Man, We're spending one thousand and forty miles an hour or whatever it is, and we're hurtling through space. I don't feel the wind unless it's a windy day. You know, only go down to the lake to go fishing. Nothing going on down there. Everything is still. Yeah, yep, you can literally stack stones on top of mechiliers. But the heat is dull water. It's not moving, that's for sure. I even said that to my mother. My mother gets into it. Fortunately,
he tends to believe a lot of the stuff I say. And she said it too. I was trying to talk about space with my kids and stuff visiting. My mom said, worse to be spinning chaotically through space at a thousand miles an hour, spinning on an axis and sixty six around the sun and chasing it a half a million miles an hour. And my mom blurts out, and we're not moving at all. I had to laugh at that's.
Uh, he's funny. But I'm blessed that, you know, some people around me believe how I believe, and you know, I have seen the truth come out of the things I've been staying to them. So I'm blessed for that, leave my mother, my wife. Oh there's not earlier and now there's a couple of church people that I've heard it with and from my past. But the truth is still catching one. It's as far as I see people online. With every space thing online, you go on and
look at the comments and it's people talking about flatter. It's amazing. Yeah, it is. I'm seeing that too. Anytime there's something on social media, uh, from NASA or something like that, go to the comments. It's very interesting to see that that more and more people are waking up. Indeed, so that the successes you've had has been uh local. Have you had any people just completely blow you off when you try to bring it up. I actually started talking to it about it to the guys at work,
and I was carrying this one guy to work every day. Now I was telling him stuff, but nobody's really I've been able to minister more about Jesus Christ than I And you know the Flat that's a series. That's a good
thing too. That's great. I've been I've been pushing the word to God with the guys at work, you know, talking about God all the time, and they see it so I'm hoping that God's using me for something, and that is saying something, because, uh, it does take courage to to come out and talk about God and your faith and other convictions that people
may find very indifferent, like flat earth. Right. And I've said often, if you really want to make change in your life, you have to do things that you may normally find uncomfortable in your skin, and that is going out and having conversate, real conversations with people and also telling them why,
right, you know I believe that earth is flat? Why? And then then you could substantiate things both with things that we've talked about today, with your whatever particular silver bullet you have, but also, like you said,
the hundreds of verses from the Bible that support it as well. And then you know how all the deceptions are connected, this web of deceptions, they're all connected, and it's once you can get them to put down their guard just long enough and they find that first lie, like everything else, right, you find out your child lies about something, and then you're like,
well, what else have they done? Start digging further and oh, you haven't been doing your homework, and this and that and the other thing, all the things start to unfold. So, but it's great to see that you're you are passionate about the truth and you're mentioning it with your coworkers, et cetera. So that that's awesome. Yeah. I've had a couple of them. You believe in flatters really, and I say, well, you don't know that it's spinning. You've just been told that it is.
You don't know for sure. That's pretty much my response to anted woman. Then I just I just decided to stop talking about it so much at work because that's my job. So yeah, yeah, I understand that completely. I can wait for the boss man to come up to me and say, hey, Richard, you really think they're that's flat. I'm gonna have to tell them that. Make sure you wait till after you and your annual review to tell them that they all think I'm crazy. Yet it is. But
if you're not getting persecuted, then you're doing something right. Amen to that as far as Yeah, so many people are more worried about just fitting in than doing the right thing. Yeah, that's the thing I'm trying to drew in my building too. They man, they's just to get them out out of the phones for two seconds and play, you know, or two hours and play a board game or something. Yes, a blessing because they're they're just in front of them phones all the time. Yep. And that's another
you know, mind controlled device. You know, you know a lot of the reasons that that people are so stigmatized by flat earth is because of the indoctrination camp sitting. And again when I talk about this, always use this disclaimer that I have the most admiration for teachers and people who want to inspire to make change in children. It is the system that is inherently flawed.
With that being said, you know, I've covered a nauseum the failure race within many of the public school systems, the systems that have failed the children. And you have thirteen years of the scientism wise and you know, digested for thirteen years. And that's the battle that we are up against when we talk about you know, God's creation, biblical cosmology, is that thirteen years and then of course if they went on to college even more that is a
tough battle. The other battle, Richard, I believe is getting people to understand the importance of it right Why because that's like with the David Weiss videos you watch, You'll say, what does it matter if it's flatter, if it's round, I still got to get up and go to work tomorrow. This, that, and the other thing to try to get people to understand, going all the way back one hundred and thirty episodes ago to why the
lie is very important as well? Would you agree? Absolutely? I feel a lot better knowing where I live, and before I didn't, and honestly I didn't really care about it until recently, but now I really do. I mean, I'm I'm definitely into one hundred percent, and I believe God's creation definitely need to be shared with everybody, and I've been trying to so or just keep pushing little seeds and finding little seeds. How do you think going forward? And this is a little off the beaten path, but I
like to ask this question is how do we change the education system? Obviously there are different routes with homeschooling and private schooling, but you know, I think ninety I think it's between eighty five and ninety percent of the children in this country go to a public school. I want to say the number of homeschools rapidly, it went from three percent to eight percent. Just since the COVID there's been a huge ramp up, but there's still obviously most of the
population goes to a public school. How can how can we change the way the system is taught where you're either right or wrong according to them, instead of teaching problem solving, et cetera. How can we get to the root of the problem. I don't think we're gonna Jordy, I think the problems and then remain. They're going to keep them. The roth Child Education system
or whatever. The Rockefellers in keep it a Rockefeller or of one of them owns all them books and they sell it, you know, they sell it to them cheap, and you know, uh, I just I don't think it will change. And I hate to sit here and it's it seems like the subject is doom and gloom all the time. But we're in the doom and gloom period. Really. I mean, life is great, don't get me wrong. I love life. I love doing, you know, racing my little car, my RC cars. I you know, I enjoy watching
football, I enjoy doing stuff in life view. But when you look at what's going on on the other side of it, you have to be aware and I just tell my children to question and everything I say, don't listen to. They already took curts, amount of schools and they took and you know tim and core maths now and all this different, these different ideas. It took God out of the school. I mean, that was the number one mistake right here. It's it's going to continue to get bad. Homeschool
and it is great. My two younger children are homeschooling this year. Bus but they, yeah, it's a I'm not able to do it. Unfortunately. There's you know, they live with their mother. Sure mostly when I might, you know, them when I can. I think my thing is just introducing them the God, trying to find a church and the area that I can go and take them where they don't have to just listen to it
from me all the time. I do tell them to question everything, though, I said, don't listen to everything that you're taught, you know, research stuff. But they're busy with phones and playing games, and you know they're twelve, so yeah, they're at that age. But I think the homeschooling is a good idea for them this year because they were getting you know, kids, you know how kids are in school and bullied and whatever else going on. I think it was a good good for them to take off
a year and be homeschool. But I think they've got to go back next year to yeah, have a coincide with other children and be around other children if you have to have that, dude. Sure, yeah, social socializing with the social interaction. Yeah, exactly for sure. We're we're we're down to our last ten minutes or so. I wanted to make sure to give you a chance. Was there any other bullet points that you wanted to make
sure that you covered before we said goodbye? Well, i'll give you the other two things that got me was water is always level, yep, great one. And what horizon always comes to your eye level no matter what you go up in the high air balloon. If the Earth was curved, you should be able to see the horizon drop. And there's no denying that. I already said the North Star it never moves. We can't be flying chaotically through space and that star saying the exact same spot year after year after year.
So I think that's why they took them guidestones down, even though that a lot of the guide stones were probably evil yet there was that hole that they had that you could see that North Star every night for what it was up fourteen years, I think not even one. I put one out here before. I got a little piece of two, and I'm trying to find the North Star, but i can't right now because it's behind the trees.
I live in the city, so it's hard for me to we study stuff, and you it's been cloudy for past ten days now, so I ain't even been able to look at this guy early. You know, you know, speaking of things that are cleaned up so fast, right, we talked about how you know in New York City, all that stuff was cleaned up quickly and shipped off to China to get rid of the evidence. And you had people all the dims from the trades and yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was probably shipped off to China. And then you had the Georgia Gidstones in July sixth of twenty twenty two, and it was like the quickest crime
scene. I remember. I don't think it was David Weiss, but there was somebody else who actually went down there, and they're just the Sheriff's office wouldn't even comment on the situation, and of course it was dedicated on March twenty second, which is three twenty two, And if you google skull and Bones, the number three twenty two appears, and again George Bush was Skull and Bones, and they say it was done on that on his birthday as
a tribute to George W. Bush. The other thing that people we're talking about was not only just the North Star, but the very first rule on the Georgia Guidestone said to keep humanity under five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature. And where are we at now, according to them, seven eight billion people. So obviously that means that and that listen, population control is part of their scheme. That that's you know New York and twenty twenty.
I think it was there were more abortions than births in twenty twenty in New York City. And you know, the Gates family have has always been into that type of thing. And again that's these people play god right. Like you said at the beginning of the podcast, Satan doesn't care any that create anything. He perverts it. Yep, he's perverted it with even when you go back to the apocryphy, that's another we didn't really dive into that much.
You talked about Enix there were times, but even you know, a man taking out the apocryphal book of the Bible, and I believe it all to be the gripting. Honestly, the more I read, the more it, yes, is perfectly together with the Bible. And you talk about Enoch and he was a man of God, walked with God for three hundred years and took him without death. So obviously what was in those books or something, And they're just hiding everything, and they don't want us to see the
truth. They don't want us to see the relapse. Pretty much the bottom line, he's going to pervert God's creations and I couldn't make it, so he's got to pervert it and make it of a crazy ball and some you know, all these crazy theories around, and that you can't have a vacuum in space next to the gas. It's impossible. That's another one thing. It's just there's so many and you can just we could talk for another hour
probably about several other different things that through we're not moving flat Earth. Flat Earth would certainly be if we could get that mainstream, it would just destroy so much of Satan's now listen. You know, you look at the population today and their attention span. Again, I think this goes to your answer to the education system is just not going to happen, because the fact is
people really don't care. Right, and I'm speaking, you're speaking. We were all part of that club at one point, right, We didn't correlate the importance of it and how it changed that I can. I can testify to the fact that I get emails all the time that you know, it has brought people back to God. So it is obviously a very very important topic. They're busy being rich and increased with goods, yeah, and have needed nothing and know not that they're blind, wrecked and miserable. Yeah,
and I think make it into the kingdom of God. Indeed, And that's also part of the reason why we don't ever really get up and do anything about the world today, is because at least here in the United States, they have is just comfortable enough to where, well, I'd really like to go protest about the taxes or about throwing elections or this or that. But you know, you've got your your television, your internet, your your conveniences.
Right, We're not living out And that's part of the reason you see them. At the least, people don't mess around. They will go out if they're they feel they're wronged, and the fight. It's really different over here. We're just we'll see something, we'll be like, I like, we are here, I can't believe that happened, and then we'll you know, put our feet up and watch television. So uh. Again, the
level of convictions from around the world. Again, I was I lived a very very in austere environments for a long time in the desert, and I saw how people were passionate about their beliefs because they didn't have all the distractions that we have. Richard, that's right, thank you pretty sure. By the way, Oh that was high honor, right, there's and that's that's another lot of the military or are down with the down with this theory.
It's it's crazy to me, just like I said, listening to your podcast and hearing the stories, it's tremendous. When you hear the stories from all these different people, it just it opened your eyes up, especially with you know, the military, heavy military. You've had many guests on that were military, and I just I love seeing their point of view about things. I think The most comforting thing about the podcast is we realize that we're not
the only ones thinking this way and we're not crazy. I love it. That's it's nice to be able to talk to somebody, don't think you're crazy, right, right, to be able to have these conversations. Yeah, besides my wife, that's I lock your ears though? Has so she you said she was on board with flat earth? Yeah? Has she had any luck? Has she had any luck converting anywhere of her friends or family members? No, she don't. He's not into it as much as I am.
But she gets looks when she brings it up. But one thing I want to hear about, what when she was a little girl. Huh? She always I used to think that we were racially in her summer, So it diffy about the world, no globe when she was a kid. But that's that's a pretty spot come on, that's pretty spot on. So that's
pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool. Well, I'll tell you what, man, it's been it's been a every time I do these, And like we said at the beginning of the podcast that the ninety minutes fly by, that they absolutely fly by, and it's always it's an absolute pleasure to chat with you, but before we go, I certainly want to give you the last few minutes to address the audience with anything that you'd like to. Yeah. Sure, thank you for everything you do on the podcast, man,
I appreciate it. It's I've learned a lot in the past six months, like I said before, and for sure, the thing I just want to say the most is this will bring you to the Lord for sure if you if you look into it, and just I won't anybody to repent their sins and call them the name of Jesus Christ and let's get out of this world and enjoy it. Well, He's got the offer instead of what Satan's
offer offer. And that's when with all of us stand in unbelief that's going on in the world and what the controllers are doing to it, to our children and everything. I watched that show the other day, The Mound of Freedom, and it just broke my heart that man would actually be able to do that for our children and about I just want more people to come to the Lord. I hope that my testimony. I'm sorry, I would apologize for being sunder ye at the beginning, I was really nervous order for me
to talk. I hadn't really talked to anybody like this really, so yeah, I just I hope that it brings people closer to God and that they can see that creation has been hid from us. They're hidened, hidened God from you basically. And I hope anybody who that's you know, comes to Christ when they hear these podcasts. As you could olp, they started believing that we're being duped and everything. But on the moon landing to nine to eleven, you name it, that we could get on beer truth seekers podcasts
and talk about all that stuff. But it's been a blessing listening to you and other than that, I think that's about in it. Well, it's been people to come to Christ and love the Lord. Amen to that and to everyone listening. If you'd like to reach out to Richard, his email address, like everyone else's, for the most part, will be in the show notes, so you can click on it, copy and paste whatever,
and you can reach out to them. But there he's enjoying the warm winter in Michigan, and I hope you continue to bask in the glow of the local sun here over the next few months. I really want to thank you for your testimony and your honesty and your thoughts, and I'm sure there'll be people reaching out to you if I may. I do want to take a moment before we close to thank a listener. I'm just going to use first
names. Her name is Carol, and she sent a very kind donation to the to the program, so I want to thank her for helping to support you know, the website and everything else that goes on here, So thank you for that. But also and I want to show Richard this so he can see. You see, I have this letter right This was written by her son and it said I'd like to read this, Dear George Hobbes. I thought my mom was crazy when she told me the earth is flat.
She told me to listen to your podcasts and I became a flat earther. Keep up the good work, sincerely, Thomas, just using first name, of course, but I wanted to give Thomas a little shout out. And I have this hanging on my wall in the studio, and I sent Thomas a little token of my appreciation in the mail back to him. So it's cool to get those kind of things. And you know, yeah, when
you see that it is important and it's just man at this point. You know, we're recording this on January third, twenty twenty four, and who knows where the world will be when this comes out Sunday night. But now more than ever, you know, we need number one, like like Richard said so many times, to have our faith in God, but also to be a critical thinker and to be able to understand Satan's deceptions because they will continue to throw them at us as they always do. So Richard, thanks
again for your time. Brother, was really nice to meet you. And shout out to your wife who was listening along. I hope she enjoyed our conversation. I get yours. It's been great. Thank you great and listen. God bless you. And again thanks to all the listeners your kind of words. Keep keep the emails coming. We do our best to reply to everybody. And for Richard, I'm George. And until the next time we meet my friends, you better keep your head on U s wivel and we
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