Episode 130: Flat Earth Conversation with Eric

The following present is Del Marvi Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast you well. My guest Eric and I have been working through the technical monsters have attacked me today, so shout out to the NSA. Thanks for trying to ruin this interview, but we have averted disaster and we're

ready to go. One quick housekeeping note before we do get started, of course, is if you'd like to join the show like Eric is today, please shoot us an email. It's the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com and we'll get you on the schedule to be scheduled. So again, we have a great guest standing by. We've corresponded for quite some time, joining us from the great state of Utah. It's Eric. Eric. How are

you doing today? Doing great, George, Thanks for having me. Yeah, and thank you for your patience, Sarah, as the NSA tries to roll me up. What a day, but it's great to have you, and please do take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience. Oh, like you said, I'm from you, Tom. We do have that a big, brand new NSA center out here, so I probably gotten me forty two, born and raised in Salt Lake. Beautiful family, have two daughters

eleven and five, and a step son who's twenty seven. Beautiful wife. My step son works with me. I've been fortunate enough to travel all over quite a few places. I used to brag when I was younger that when I was eighteen, had been to more places than Columbus. Right, I don't know that's true or not, but we don't know I know if that history is true or not. Yeah, Christopher Columbus, there's your CC thirty

three I joke about all the time. I'm sure that's far right. That's another one of the stories we'll talk about that they use to reinforce the globe system. Right, he woulded to prove that you just wouldn't fall over the edge. And well, of course, even with our theory, there's no falling off the edge. But big shout out to you for working with your son. As I was saying before we got kind of disconnected, was some

of my fondest memories growing up was working for my grandfather. He was self employed, had a used car a lot, and it's great because at the same time you learn life lessons, life lessons and mold your mind. And you know, we often talk about how we send our children off to the indoctrination factories for thirty five hours a week. It's great to have the children and mold their minds instead of complete strangers molding their minds. Right, Yeah,

for sure, my kids do go to public school. My daughter likes to my oldest daughter, my eleven girl, likes to listen to what I say. Kind of, I think my steps on he's we've been together for twelve years now. I met him when he was fifteen and he was pretty already indoctrinated and he's kind of one of those new age kids in that way. But gotcha, it is what it is, what it is. Yeah,

everybody has their own journey. But it's great that you have his ear, what you know, forty hours a week or whatever it may be, that's for sure. Tell us a little bit about your journey to the truth. At what point in your life did you start to notice things, as we say, differently than the average Joe did. So, I was exposed pretty young. My parents were divorced, so I would spend a week with my mom and week with my dad. They had custody, and my home

base was my great grandmother's house where I would kind of get exchanged. She was a Lutheran. She was the first born generation over here from Sweden, so I went to a little bit of church with her, growing up from probably by like four or five years old till I was like six seven or eight, not very often, just every once in a while. My father, he was just too young to get drafted into Vietnam. So one of his favorite stories was him and his buddy burning their draft cards. And he

actually kind of got me into the JFK, you know, conspiracy. And so one of our cousins his his his father, my grandfather hurt his cousin direct cousin. She's married to an ex Secret Service agent, really, and he was there that day, and you know, my dad would always try and feed him some beers and get him to steal the beat and stuff, and he and he wasn't in on the plan, so he doesn't know sure, and he wouldn't tell us if he did anyway, And all he would

ever tell us was that the morning of the whole plan changed. They had everything set out as you already know, the route changed. His detail because I think they're like in little groups, like little teams. His team was supposed to be on Kennedy's car they got stationed at the airport to wait for the caravan, and so all he knows is that, you know, nothing went according to plan and it all went to hell, But you know it's all just a coincidence, right right, Yeah, drop in the bucket,

for sure, Yeah, for sure. And again that is something. And I'll tell you, I've been listening to a lot of people and I'm starting to hear the frustration. I think everything that's going on for the last three or four years has bothered people a lot. But I've noticed over the last month that these general frustrations are slowly starting to turn into anger. And a

lot of that goes back to that very day eleven twenty two. There's for thirty three, nineteen sixty three, in which you know, you can argue some conspiracies, right that maybe there's some great areas with them, but the fact that the entire story of JFK, from the way he was shot, the number of shots where they came from, everybody running to the grass, you knowal that the police getting killed that day. Jack rubin Stein by the

way, it's his name's not Jack Ruby, it's Jack rubin Stein. You know, just was able to walk up and kill the guy who did it

in Lee Harvey Oswald saying, look, man, I'm a patsy. I mean, he came out, he knew he was thrown under the bus by the government, and to me to this day, to allow everybody who was involved, from Poppy Bush to the CIA, maybe to some of the mobsters down there in New Orleans, and of course the three what were those three guys called the the hoboes on the street or well they had a name for the three guys who were originally arrested, and then of course they were gone

just like nine to eleven, right, they arrested that van full of Israelis full of dynamite and just nothing to see here, and they sent them all back to Israel. There's just so many things that go on with these huge conspiracies, whether it's nine eleven or Oklahoma City, and we just they always get away with it. And that's I think people are starting to really get

frustrated with. You know, the big thing now is they're taking a certain someone off the ticket in all these states and those two world, words coming back up that haven't been heard since eighteen sixty five or starting to rear their ugly head. I'm seeing it even at the local country store down the street where we got our bread and stuff from. Everybody's just tired of the citizens being last in this country. Yeah, And it's like with JFK. It

happened so long ago. People are like, Oh, what does it matter now, and it's like, well, that's what's set up everything to go on now, that's what put them in positions to do, like a nine

to eleven. So yeah, when I was probably I don't remember when the Thepruder film came out, I was probably around eight or nine or ten, and one of my neighbors got a copy or it saw some of it on heraldo or whatever, and I remember him, you know, he was a year younger than me, a little boy, and he was talking about it and he was like, oh, it was the Driver. It was the

Driver. And I remember us watching it and stuff. And then got older, and one of the things that really woke me up was Ross Perot when he gave that whole speech when he was running for president, and I was just a child, and I was like, wow, this whole system is rigged. It's all bs like it's not real. They're just playing us both sides, like you always say, two wings of the same bird. That's right, then, Y two K never really did anything. I was kind

of I was young for that. I just graduated high school in ninety nine, and so I didn't really have any money or anything to lose by that. I took a year off after high school, went to college, dropped out, almost joined the Marines. I had a bunch of recruiters after me, and then I kind of got into it with one of the recruiters, which I'm glad I didn't. He probably would have wasted me. And he

just wouldn't leave me alone. He came to my work one day and wow, this was all over me to get me to join, and we got into it, and his partner there separated us and gave me that look like you don't want any of that, and I'm like, yeah, I probably don't. And this is still pre nine to eleven at this point, right, Yeah, this was in in two thousand. Yeah, OK, And then nine to eleven happened, and that you know, I knew something was wrong about I knew I was like they let this hap. I just something

wasn't right. I'd been to the Pearl Harbor Museum as a child in Hawaii there and just it didn't sit well with me. And then I was really worried the next year because Salt Lake City got the Winter Olympics. So I was afraid that something was going to happen here in the Olympics to like further it, you know, because when the Patriot Act and all that stuff came out and saying, oh, they're going to keep pushing this, to really get it locked down and get it, you know, this new world order

that they want. And nothing happened. The Olympics went pretty smooth, and then we had the you know, being Salt Lake here and not being a Mormon, it's you're always the outcast. My father's always owned bars and restaurants, and so I was always one of the kids that you couldn't play with or could play with at a distance. Nobody wanted me to date their their

daughters. And it's just and and looking into that, I know that that's it's just an arm of the Freemason organizations, just disguised as a religion for control. And most of the Mormon people are great people like every other you know, and they have no idea what goes on at the top because it's that's how it is. You're either in the club or you're not. That's right, And they just use everybody as their bank role and their servants.

And so then when COVID happened, I was working at a grocery store, was working at a Kroger store at Smith's, and so we were essential, so it never really affected me, you know, they I had to wear masks for a while. We our store was kind of lenient, kind of not and my department, I was doing the online shopping, so I would feel people's pick up grocery orders right right, And so I was there early in the morning before the store opened, so we could kind of get away

with not following the rules and stuff. And but COVID really did a number on my family. It really split everybody apart. It really, you know, those that got it and those that didn't, and those that wanted to play the game and those that didn't. And it really my side of the family, like my intermediate mom and dad not so much, but like my mom's brother and some of the other people in the family really put a damper

on things and separated and hurt some Christmases and stuff like that. And I've just never been like I had been into like medications and big farming vaccines, but not that much. And then COVID woke me up and then it was like what did I do to my children when they were born? And some of their first year school shots? And it just that's one of my biggest regrets and heartbreaks, Like like I said, they're never getting anything ever again,

one of those things. It's just like, oh my gosh. And like the other thing about nine to eleven was when it was that Architects documentarying stuff and theext and Engineers for nine to eleven truth yeap, that BYU professor that came out and said a bunch of stuff about the thermite and the metal

and the temperatures and stuff that was like a huge eye opener. And after that time, from from two thousand and two till like I don't know, fourteen fifteen sixteen, I had a friend that an acquaintance of a friend that he made a lot of those DVDs they'd passed around, you know, the Obama deception. That's all the different Truther videos. So I was getting a lot of those and watching them and Zeitgeist and all that, and so I was pretty awake, but I was pretty still kind of asleep on the medical

stuff. And then you know, COVID kind of woke that up, and I was still pretty asleep on flat Earth until a few years ago when I really did a deep dive on it, because like everybody else, I was into space. I was hoping to you know, I was into Star Wars. I was into all that. And like I said, if they're honors from children and the globes everywhere, and the indoctrination is just deep. That's why Hollywood is so important to them. With the fascination of the fantasy movies,

whether it be Star Trek or Star Wars. This is another layer between taking the red pill and continuing on living life obliviously right, because we don't want to lose those things that are so near and dear to our hearts.

I mean, I was a Star Wars kid in the theater back in what seventy seven, seventy eight, whenever it was the first Star Wars I saw it, and I remember leaving there and dreaming of being in an X wing fighter and flying and I mean that is just again, this goes back to World War Two and one of the biggest things that National Socialist Germany did have was psychological operations, and they had some you know, all of the people

that they brought over from not warp Speed operation paper Clip. These people understood psychology big time. Going back to Edward Burneze, they understand the most powerful tool isn't weapons of mass destruction, it's the mind. And if you can manipulate someone's mind, you can basically control them just like a TV controller,

you can actually control their path in life. And they figured that out, I believe at the turn of the century, a hunt and some you know years ago, and with the advent of the television, it was a game on at that point. And now we see today, like you said, with Star Wars and everything else, it has built continuous layers between the truth and you know, people's daily lives. Is they just I'm not even I think for a lot of people out there, I think they know something is

up. And like you said, COVID was one of those things that I get so many emails saying exactly that, right, COVID woke me up. You know, out of the twenty twenty five emails we get a day, half of them mentioned COVID being a part of their awakening process. But again, I think there's still a lot of people out there that don't want to be bothered with being awake because it does change your life completely, and I'm

sure it did for you as well. Yeah, And like I said, I was awake to a few things before then, and that one really kind of stirred the pot to really do the big, big deep dives into other stuff. And there are masters of manipulation. I saw it with my whole my generation. You know, I believe you're about ten years older than I am or so. And in our generations, it's just the people that you know, went away from God, so many atheists, so many scientists and

people and not wanting to have families. Why would I want to bring a child into this world? It's too crazy. I felt that way forever until my wife was pregnant, and then I had a whole shift and I've the same thing. I've told so many of my friends and people that about to have children. You know, after I had minds like you unlock a whole new level of love, like a whole new level of understanding and being.

It's just I don't know, a whole different veil was lifted from my eyes when I had my first child, and and like I said, I still have some regrets of not being awake to some other things when that happened. But that's life. We all know. None of us are perfect, and none of us have all of our stuff together, and we just keep pressing

on fighting that good fight. And I think it was his name was John a few episodes back that marine, that was becoming a pastor and then changed, like it was just so cool to hear someone on a completely different path of life that I had and then about to be a pastor and be involved in the church. But think about it the way I've thought about it my

whole life. I've always thought it shouldn't be this like dictatorship, this one head telling everyone what it says, how it interprets, how it translates, what they're supposed to read about it, what they're supposed to think. I've always felt it should be a discussion. It should be everyone what their take

is on it. You know, it should be a group discussion. Everyone's there, everyone's going to read something different, whether it's you know, thirty five year old car salesman dude, fifty year old banker dude, eight year old little Johnny, you know, and when I've the stories from the Bible, and that's just kind of seemed what to like it was when Jesus and the disciples and people were spreading the word and that that it was more of

a discussion and an explanation like that Jesus was kind of telling him stuff because he was sent to do that, He was the messenger, and so many people have just gone off that message and have made an idol out of him instead of you know, praising, thinking and worshiping him in the way he should be and following the message and worshiping God the correct way. And it's

just super frustrating that way. You made a lot of great points, and I think I mentioned this on a recent on my other podcast, was when the Puritans came over here, you know, in the sixteen hundreds with a mayflower and everything. They their primary reason for coming over here was for freedom of religion, and their their daily lives were based around religion, right,

and then you know that was number one. Then education and everything else came afterwards, but everything evolved around the Bible in God's word, and then everything has been flipped exactly. And then one hundred and some years later, the Freemasons come in and I'm talking about George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and all these guys who who who are depicted in our history books as these good guys, team good guys. But what they really did, and I want everybody before

you just somebody just sat up in their cubicle at work. What right you talk about George Washington? Listen, these people took Remember the Puritans came over here that they didn't claim a constitution for freedom of speech. God gave them their freedom of speech and they knew that. So these Freemasons come over and you know, they you know, this revolution against King George the Third. But what happened was they started instilling in these people's minds that no, it's

not God that gives you your freedoms. It's us. It's man, and we have this constitution, this deal between the government and the people, and we guarantee you your freedoms. Yep. Now, two hundred and fifty years later and it listened. This country was free from about you know if you want to count the revolution seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty seven, choose your date whenever you consider us being free until about eighteen twelve, when the very

first time the banks their ugly head. And if you want to know who's running things in this country right now, look no further than your black Rocks, your vanguards, and you're JP Morgan's this is It's interesting how the American media portrays the Russian oligarchs to be bad when the same thing is going on in this country. It's no different anywhere else around the world. What are your thoughts on that? Oh, yeah, they always blame everyone else for

the same thing that they're doing. That dang old usury and debt system. And like you've brought up before, what's on Washington's gravestone, it's about him being a freemason, not the president. It's just you've brought it up before on both podcasts. The history, Like how can we believe the history? Like all the good guys won every war, and it's like, I don't think the Civil War, I think the bad guys probably won. I think who knows, you wont But the history about it isn't what actually happened.

It's the history that gave us. Same with the Revolutionary War, because supposedly we're getting away from England and being free, and it's like we've been in lockstep and taxed way more and more of their you know, puppet than when we were before the war. So it's just heart you know, And I just want to thank you for your service and all the veterans out there, you guys are amazing. Like I said, I I didn't do it.

I just I don't know what it was. If it was just God's path for me or just being a woos, I don't know, but wasn't my path, and wasn't my father's. His father served at the end of World War Two. He was over and occupied Germany and tried to get stories and stuff out of him. He wouldn't talk about it much because I think he saw it wasn't the story he was told when he was there. On my

father's mother's side, her uncle was a general in Civil War. I actually have some cool correspondences from him and President Grant, and I want to actually get some pictures of those and actually try and read them and stuff and see if there's anything weird. In there, and that would be awesome. Some

of the pictures of him and stuff. I haven't really looked again, but you know, there might be some of the hidden hand and the jacket stuff and different poses and things, and and of course she gave his sword away to the Smithsonian, the keepers of the history, the hiders, and yeah, I just it's hard with the history, and that includes the religious history.

Like you talked about a few episodes back, why the Bible was cut to sixty books, I think there was who knows how many it could have should have been, but I think they took out a lot of stuff that would actually have us worshiping the correct way and having the proper connection to God we should have. And it's to keep us divided and to keep us lost and weak and controllable, for sure. And it's interesting. I did a little research on the Ethiopian Bible recently, and a lot of people believe that

the arc of the Lust, arc of the Covenant is in Ethiopia. Whether it is or not, I don't know. There's that. You can find documentaries on these people that watch it twenty four to seven, three sixty five. Their Bible has eighty eight you know, our sixty six. There they have an additional twenty two I think, including jubilees Enok and Maccabee's which is interesting. I think those are included in the Ethiopian Bible. I actually read

when I was big into the space stuff. I read Graham Hancock's book on the arm Being in Ethiopia. It's actually a really good book. It's a and I like his other writings, some of his fictions, Good War God's pretty cool. And I've read his Fingerprints and Magicians of the Gods and stuff, and I believe there's some stuff in that I don't know about the dating and stuff, but I definitely don't believe it was a comment from space.

No, And like we've like you've talked about, I think most of those craters are extinct volcanoes and geysers and maybe bubbled up you know, underground. Who knows it could be under natural gas explosion. Sure, yeah, And you really don't think they're they're crater holes and you know, no, not

for meteors or anything like that, as they say. And something that I think people fail to think about is listen, if you believe the story of the flood, that much water would would certainly change the face of the earth to some extent, would you agree, Oh, for sure. I mean that's why Egypt and the Middle East is covered in sand, right they talk about hud flood. I mean it's just been drying out over there, so now it's sand. Look at the picture of when they found the Giant Pyramid

of Mexico. It was just a hill. No one until they dug it out. It just you know, And I have an issue with that. In the mud flood, I mean, I believe there could easily be multiple, but why can't the mud flood be the same flood? You know, we know that they changed the calendar and mess with our timeline. We don't know exactly how many how long ago that was. Oh that's an interesting thought. You know, a lot of everyone thinks they have to be two separate

events. Why can't it be the same flood? Just left overs from the same catastrophe. Have you heard the theory about the the Milky Way being a scar in the firmament waters came. Indeed, that's I think that's pretty fascinating. I do too, and I buy it when you if you actually don't look at the picture from NASA, but if you actually take a telescope and look at it. It does right. And then in the Bible says, you know the waters above and below. I can't remember the there's been a

couple explorers, deep sea explorers have gone down. There's that one video of the guys a, yeah, we found an underwater bless you ocean that they couldn't penetrate. You know, they saw that it was water, but they couldn't go down in it, so it could be like a revert you know.

So yeah, they God took his finger, made the scar, opened up the firmament, let it come in from the top, released it from the bottom, you know, And that's how you get up so much of that water, and some of it's been evaporated and left over into our our environmental cloud and rain system and some of you know, that's why stuff's still

underwater and stuff. And maybe some of the stuff that's underwater or was meant to be left there and we weren't kind of supposed to find it because I don't know, maybe some of the really dark stuff could be discovered there that could lead us back down that I mean, they're leading us back down that path. It is almost like the time the days of Noah. But I know one hundred percent when when you read you know that the chapter about the you know, the flood, and you start to see how every heart was

full, you know, with the wickedness. And then you just look around, whether it's on social media or just how people act, and how far we have gotten away from God and just from being decent human beings. You know, I've seen just you know, from the seventies to today, how

society is just. And you try to point out what, you know, what in just you know, forty or fifty years, what allowed this huge turn, and you could say against God, you could just say from being a decent human being, because I remember growing up you held the door open for a woman and just the most basic things. When a woman stood up from the table, all the men stood up. We always said grace.

We never ever ever ate a meal with our hat on. And then just you can't really point to one thing, But what do you think are some of the things that have led us to where we are today as a society. I think it's the scientism and doctrination in the schools, and then the way they explain it. So like Columbus, why flatter is so hard for people. I can't remember if it was your podcast or if it might have been on Firmamental, but a lady was explaining, they made you feel so

dumb. They'd make they make all the ancient people seem so dumb. And these barbarians, these dumb savages, they didn't know anything. It was like, well, they knew how to do everything. We don't know. Most people today they can't live without electricity, electronics, a grocery store. They can't build their own homes, their own clothes, survive off the land, hunt their own food. They're a lot smarter and uh, all this technology

and they can't even figure out what the pyramids are. And so I just think, you know, oh, these dumb people thought the earth was flat and it'd sell over there and fall off. And it's like, I don't think they thought that at all. I think they had a better understanding of it. But it's how they teach you. You don't want to be done like these people of the past. You're this new, smarter, better generation that has all this better stuff. You know, not better intelligence or better

skills, you just have better stuff. And who knows if we even have better stuff you see some of those old pictures you don't know if they're real or not, but on some of those electric scooters and stuff, you know, and electric walkways like all the world's bears and things like. You know, they didn't build that giant city for two weeks to tear it down, Like come on, And I think it's a scientism and doctrination they make,

you know, make you feel of this. You're just this insignificant space monkey lost with no you know, no purpose. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And I agree with you as far as technology, and I listen to this. This is from an eighth grade final exam from a junior high school in Salina, Kansas, which, if you all don't know, that's like right on the border of Colorado in eighteen ninety five, so we're talking one hundred and just about thirty years. Okay. Question number one, give the

nine rules for the use of capital letters. The nine rules for uses of capital letters like a name, a prefix like a state, or an address like a yep. Let's see what And then listen to this one multiple couldn't land. Yeah, that's the thing most people. And then define verse, stanza and paragraph. Right, you're talking maybe two percent of the class.

And I just talked about two weeks ago on the fact Hunner, how in Baltimore there was twenty one schools districts that tested none of them passed math. That the literacy rate, the tenth graders were reading at a second grade level. And you're talking about Eric, We're talking about people who have been in school, if you count kindergarten at that point, for eleven years. What are they doing for eleven years? And I'm not talking about the children so

much as the adults. What is going How have we failed the children to where they have been? Could you imagine if you paid And here's the thing we do pay out of our pocket, it's called taxes. How are people not outraged when you read these numbers? And it's not just Baltimore, it's Saint Louis, it's Los Angeles, it's Chicago, it's Boston, it's many

of your hometowns. So how are you not outraged that you're paying for this system where children spend eleven years of their life by the tenth grade and they can't even read? Yeah, well, how about was it an Oregon that just made it so they don't have to be able to pass English and math to that's right. How does that make any sense? I don't understand that makes any sense. How Like I almost didn't graduate from my citizenship grade.

So I had a B average, but since I missed so many classes, ye you know, because I you know, I wasn't a great I was too smart. I was. I would get a D in the class and aced the test and get a B. And I missed classes and mess around. You know, we were always partying back in those days, and you know, we were trying to have fun and hook up with girls. School wasn't you know. And and my problem is that, you know, the counselors don't see what you're into and direct you into that path. It's just,

oh, what do you want to be when you grow up? Oh you want to be a lawyer, you want to be doctor? And I'm forty two. I still don't know. I've never known. And and instead of finding something that's where I'm interested in and going down that path, it's always been oh, I don't know, and just job after job. You know, I worked my like I said, my father owned bars and restaurants. I was a bartender for fifteen years. I grew up in a biker bar and sex, drugs and roll, and like I said, soon as

my great grandmother died, church was over. And and he's he's pretty atheist, and he's pretty bought into the system. And and I don't know how many boosters he's had. But even if even after he's into that, like he he was bought in from whatever after it was it was pushing VOCs back in the day, So after he liked told him it was good. And even after I show him the numbers of how many people died and how many people are sick from it, Well, if I could get it today,

I'd still take it. He doesn't care, like it's like and people are just like that. They don't they don't see even when you present the evidence in their eyes. Some people just don't care and you can't sway them. Now, you talked a little bit about church and how it was a John who said what his ideal church was. Do you think could we could we make the education system for children similar to that, challenging them giving them go

ahead? I'm sorry, oh yeah, exactly like history when you're growing up sometimes is boring, and the way they present it, Why does any you know, white people don't want to read the history because it makes them look like, you know, a whole slavers that were these super evil people.

And then the you know, the non white kids don't want to read it because it makes them look like these weak slave people that couldn't defend themselves and were always dumb and hadn't you know, we're just the victims of everything. So if you can't get the kids to read that, get them something they're interested, even if they're reading comic books or whatever. My five year old, she's in kindergarten. She reads on probably like a third grade level.

And I hate to say it, but from reading the captions on YouTube videos and stuff, it's it's amazing, just you know, it's it's crazy. And I see her writing words and stuff. And she got a note from a third grader the other day and his handwriting was as poor as hers was, and I'm like, and he's in third grade, he's you know, had three extra years before her. Proa they can't read as well as she

can and can't and can barely write. Then you know, it's just exactly that the school, because it's just like you said, regurgitate, repeat, remember this, spit it back out. I always got in trouble for asking questions for I was a class clown, but I would always when they would present something, my mind goes off and I'd say, well, what about this? Well what about that? That doesn't make it? And then it

was like, oh, that's not what it is. Don't worry about that, you know, just shut up and put on the paper the answers we want. Yeah, And the other I think disaster is the fact that they've gotten away from actual writing. They're giving these kids tablets at the first and second grade levels, and that's something in the advanced classes as you get into junior high in high school, I think that's probably okay, but you need to still learn the fundamentals like it. Going back to the military, you

have basic training, you have to learn the basic skills. And with auto correct and everything else, everybody's given a crutch in life today. And that's the other part of the reasons why so many people are so soft today is between sports everybody wins, everybody gets a trophy, and auto correct and everything else, people don't really understand what it's like to be on the losing end of things. To be told, you're wrong. And you know, as an adult, when you first find out how hard life is as a as

an eighteen nineteen twenty year old person, you failed that person. Yeah. I've had to explain the participation Trophy to my daughter because she's gotten a couple. I was like, that wasn't like that when I was a kid. If your team didn't win, you'd got nothing. You messed around in practice, you ran laps, you did push ups. You know they were on you. Yeah. We had a thing when I in high school, when

I played football. It's called a Herschel Herschel walker. If you got in trouble, you're doing four hundred push ups, four hundred sit ups, and you know, running laps like the coach has screamed at you, yell. You know today that coach would get a charge on him. Yeah, it's just not the same. They don't. It's just like I said, it's just this band aided soft bubble wrap world, and they're doing it on purpose to make us not be able to you know, to make us dependent.

Yeah, want them to save us and to be dependent on their systems. They don't want thinkers, they want compliant workers. Yeah. The Rockefeller saying, yeah, I don't want thinkers, I want workers. That's right. And I think I know I said this so many times, but you know that whole bell system within the school, It gets you train for when you grow up to you know, clock in and clock out, you know your lunch break, clock in, clock out. Just that they don't want thinkers

here in Delaware. Our governor is signed on to the just the incredible minimum wage. I think we're fifteen dollars beginning January first. Here is just a couple of days as we record, it's actually December twenty ninth, and one of the longest running seafood companies in Delaware just had to close it. They're like, we can't pay we can't pay people fifteen bucks an hour and keep our doors open. And they're older now, so it's not like they can

do all the work. So you're going to continue to see all of the mama pop business right. It started with COVID. They wiped out in some towns like Colorado Springs thirty percent of small businesses and around the country, some more, some less. But I saw it. After I retired from the Army, I started my own business in retail, which you can survive if you're in a services business. Like if you're on the fence about college or

trade school, go to trade school, learn trade trade school. Yeah, learned to be a plumber, a carpenter, a mason, a brick layer. I don't want anybody to clip that George is a mason. But yeah, it's just it's so important to learn a trade. Again, going back to the small businesses, you're going to see less and less small businesses and maybe ten years from now you're either going to work for the federal government, Amazon or Walmart. Like it's going to be the days of the small businesses

which used to be the backbone. I think upboards of ninety percent of this country continues to dissolve. You're in and you're out. Yeah, Like I said, my father was a small business owner. My wife, she's a stay at home mom. She's started her own business. It's a crafting business, making all sorts of different everything from tumblrs to mouse pads, like sublimation and everything from apparel, car vinyl stickers, Christmas bulbs, just all custom

design stuff. That's awesome. And like I said, my father always had bars and restaurants and that was like his his thing. You know, he's a lifelong Democrat. And even then though he understands that the minimum wagting doesn't work. He you know, we would pay our bartenders and waitresses usually double what they got around town because back and then in the in the early two

thousands, it was about two fifty an hour plus tips. Yeah, hips, and then so we were paying like five bucks an hour for you know, and so everyone wanted to work there and we were busy, and it was a big jumping joint. But he understand and you know, all the people coming into all the conversations of all the lot of small business owners would come in there, and yeah, they couldn't. When they were talking about raising it to ten, they're like, there's no way I can afford to

pay people that, you know. And and it's crazy out here in Sula because you know, it's not even though it's the church and state separated, it's not the guest runs at all. And they're a big time Zionist organization, I mean Zion's Bank. They support everything. I haven't heard a rumor that if you wanted to be a contractor here to get certain loans and stuff, you had to sign things that you would be pro Israel and not against the Zionist movement and things like that, like you had to it's weird.

And then I think it was the one guy you had on the Mormon Rishi talking about the University of Utah. That was quite a eye opener because I've had a lot of friends that went there, and I'm friends with a lot of alumni there, and it's like, wow, yeah, they do kind of have that Marxist view and it's very very socialistic. It's you know, it's it's just it's a weird spot here. It's it's it's so beautiful and

sol gorgeous. But I just feel like that, you know, if it's just under their control and if you don't play the way they will, they'll shut you down. That's interesting. And Mitt Romney, this guy has been a player for so long. He pretends to be a conservative on the right guy, but he's really nothing could be further. He's really shown who he is over the past few years. Is but is he just so embraced in that state It seems fifty to fifty he's definitely embraced by the top power structure,

you know. Oh yeah, they were trying to get him to be president. But I mean I think he was born in Mexico. You know, his poligamous family. They have a compound in Mexico. You know, they were when the church divided and all that that stuff, you know, you know, and he he was what he was the governor of Massachusetts or was it was somewhere back east. It wasn't Utah. And now I think

he's like one of our representatives or something. But yeah, it's they were they were pumped, you know, pumping him up for the presidential run. But like you said, yeah, he he poses as a conservative, but he votes everything democratic and socialists. Yeah. He was the seventieth governor of Massachusetts from three to seven. Yeah, and now he's just I'm going to

go to Utah. Yeah. And that's all just because he has an end because he's you know, does he does their bidding and they have the blackmail on him that they need, and he'll he'll follow, he'll follow what they want him to do. And then you know, also thinking back about like the history and the indoctrination, it's the same thing with how the the church has been portrayed. Why people don't care. It's like, oh, Jesus died for your sins, so it doesn't matter if you're sinful. You can

be sinful. He's already paid your atonement. And it's like, well, no, you still have to walk the path of righteousness. You still have to You can't just say I'm sorry. You have to fully repent and have to be has to be from your soul. And you know you can't just be, oh, you is Dad for my sins. I'm good. I can I can do drugs, I can do abortions, I can live this sinful life because it's already been atoned for. It's like that, that's not

how it works. No, And there's a lot of people who show up to church for an hour on Sunday and think that that that that it tones their sins and nothing can be further from the truth. Is you have to uh, you know I can every night before I go to bed, I ask for forgiveness for my sins because I know tomorrow I'm gonna sin again every single night. And you know, I'm none of us are perfect. Well,

we're all flawed, but we try. You know, you can't call yourself a follower of Christ and then just show up for church on Sunday and then go back to living a life of sins. That's just not what what you know. That's not how it works, and that's not what it should be about. It should be about. And again this goes back to how

they have hijacked everything and minim minimalize. Try that again, minimalized. I don't like these religion Christianity just you know the infrastructure of churches and how the government has taken over churches and controlling them with the five oh one c threes. And I've had again pastors tell me that if they didn't close during COVID, they were going to lose their tax free status. And oh God forbid if we lose that right, and you're staying here with their church and building

their temples and all their stuff. Is that tax free status you know it made them in I don't know that made them legit. Yeah, think that you know that tax free status because we're a real true religion. That's not what that means at all. No, not at all. But yeah, I could go on and on on on that forever and ever and ever, and listen, we're all flawed and we all should try to be better people. But to think that you can show up to church for an hour and

then go back to living in a sinful life. That's just not the you know, once you accept Christ into your heart, you should be winning souls, you know, And that's what I think is lost amongst everything is See, I don't like to just blast. I'm not here to blast churches because there are a lot of great church need one hundred percent, But I've seen it so many times. I've tried many different churches in my area, and everything is focused inward instead of outward. They do some great things, but

that's why, you know, everybody like yourself. You know, we're going to start here every week on Saturdays at eleven am. We're going to have to get together into a Bible study on the website. I forget the date January, the second Saturday of January. When the thirteenth maybe awesome, i'm'll have to join Yeah, one hundred percent, and I'll put that out here next week as a standalone episode. But it's just we we have to do

better. We have to start thinking outside the box. And that goes for education, that goes for how we profess our love of Christ and being better parents and being better friends. Being better children is we have to to break the norm how society said, this is how you have to be right. We'll all you're hateful, or you're you're this, you're you know, they're so quick to label you, whether it's as a person or you know, your child won't sit still in class. So really, my six year old

won't sit still in a desk for eight hours a day. You don't say maybe we should load them up on prescription drugs. I mean, the whole thing is just we have to put a stop to it and you know, start walking the walk instead of talking the talk. Yeah, maybe maybe it's your Your school structure is why they can't pay attention and can't sit in class. Maybe you need to be more hands on education and where they're doing things

instead of sitting there just listening to a lecture. Yeah, not everyone learned. Not everyone learns the same, you know. I mean some people listen to learn by a lecture, some people listen to by reading. Some people listen to by experience. They have to they have to do it. Yep. Yeah, And nowadays there's actually some places that I'll ask you that do you learned by pictures? Do you learn by video? Do you learn by audio? Do you learn by reading? And we're all different. And that's

the thing. You have one education system for millions of people. Just like their magical elixirs. They try to push on people that the new vaccine, you know, it's good for everybody. No, it's not, because nobody's the same at all the commercials, because there's so many commercials on everything, and just the side of effect. They're not side effects. Those are the effects. It's a comical like for a simple thing that isn't life threatening,

isn't really it's you know, like, yeah, so rosa sucks. It's a skin thing, but it's kind of ugly and stuff, but it's not. It's not worth rolling. It's far worse to you than having a dry, patchy part of your skin or something like that. Right. Crazy, When you hear about cirrhosis or hair loss and then the side effects are stroke, liver failure, you're like, wow, you know, hair loss isn't really that bad. I'll take my monkey butt there you go, Yeah,

it doesn't. It's just hair like whatever, And I'm so glad you said that. I've never heard anybody say that they're not side effects. They are the effects, and it is to further make a deeper customer base, because now you have another problem. Who are you going to turn to the doctor, And what's the doctor going to do. He's going to prescribe you something else and next thing you know, you're on ten pills for all your effects

that they've been that they've been given to you to counteract it. And then it's just just the endless cycle. And that's what they want. Like everyone's so worried about, Oh, they're trying to kill us all. No they're not, and they want to kill us all. They just kill us all. They want us sick and weak and dependent and to get as much money and our time and energy and as they can, like you know, it's truly they. Yeah, they do do big events where they sacrifice a bunch

of us to their demonic gods yep. Nine to eleven and things like that. I mean, you look at it like you've talked about it before. The Pentagon gets say, you've got a burning pentagram. Then they have the recreation of Solomon's temple. You have the two towers, the two pillars, and what was building seven, the Solomon building Solomon's to their own new Age Solomon's Temple and they sacrificed it all to just like however the history goes,

you know, it's just it's just sad and it makes people fearful. And that's something I'd like to print out, Like how the Bible has three hundred and sixty five versus the say do not fear, like pretty much one for every day. You know. It's like it'd be nice. I think I want to somehow get a print out of that to read one every day, just to have a little morning affirmation, you know. And I think people could use that that, you know, Yeah, that is a great idea.

I was just going to ask you, do you think with nine to eleven with those things that you said with the Solomon's Temple and the two towers representing was Jokim and bias? I think it is the two pillars and the burning pentagram. Hey, I'm having a allergy attack today. Did you think it was just symbology or do you think it was a man? It's the term because we know that eleven years earlier, that eleven number again George H. W. Bush on September eleventh, nineteen ninety set a new world order.

But do you think it was a turning point as in that they were like, again, we talk about how they used to boil the frog for generations before, and they slowly reeled in these things, whether it be the hippie movement and everything else that slowly creeped into our society. But here we are, just twenty years later and we see that again they're not even hiding their evil anymore. Do you think that was like their go card that day.

Yeah. I think it was a ritual, and I think it was to to show, you know, the people that don't see it aren't going to see it and they're not going to believe it. But those of us that, you know, we're actually looking into things as conspiracy theorists, the

term they vented for us on the JFK assassination. I think it was like say, hey, look, we can do what we want and take you out and and we're gonna and we're gonna we do these things and we install bills and laws and take away your rights when we do this, and there's nothing you can do about it. That's how they want us to think and feel, and they're they just perpetuate this division. They want they want a

civil war. You know, and that's how we have to win, is by killing them with kindness and and you know, walking away and making a parallel system and not being dependent and showing them that we don't need them, that they aren't elite, that they're they're the parasites that you know, they need us. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And that this the federal government has become such a monster you can't really beat it. So I agree

with you is walk away and build your own society. But I think that's the other thing, you know, I talked to in the beginning of the program that many people were starting to show their frustrations. I think it's just people don't know what to do. They don't know where to turn. They realize, they recognize there's there's something really terrible going on, but they don't know what to do. And it's basically you need to start a parallel system.

But you also need to I believe there has to be some level of civil disobedience. And I've said this before. If you believe that this country has been hijacked by a nefarious system with the evil actors who do not have your best interest in mine, right, you're the ones who generate the income

for this country and for most people who are listening. You and your parents and your grandparents in my case going back to the Civil War, have been the backbone of this country and then just to be turned around and crapped on and be put last in a system where it is being manipulated. And I

believe there's an intentional running into the ground of this country. Again, I think I'm not trying to be a fear monger, but I think twenty twenty four is going to make twenty twenty look like child's play because I think there is going to be a credit event involved. And while you can have you know, flu bugs and things of that nature go around for you know,

my grandmother told me the story she was born in nineteen seventeen. She told me the stories of the Great Depression, and to add that to anything else that's going on, whether it be like you said, a civil war, which is something they're trying to push, do they throw some kind of false

flag in there to kick it off? Where are they intentionally going to push these things with a certain guy being left off ballots and are they going to piss somebody off enough to where they somebody actually does something, it remains to be seen. But again, you have to be physically fit, you have to be spiritually fit. And again, you know I'm prepared. I don't. I don't like to be a prepper, right, I'm not here building

you know something, an underground tunnel or anything. But I am fully aware that the have nots are going to come after the haves and just because you're out in the country or you know, they're going to recognize that and that's where they're going to come. So as a Christian, I feel I should be able to protect my family. But you know, I'm not going to go and beat the war drum and go after people. That's just ridiculous.

That's that's what they are going to hype up through the news cycle, and they're going to try to spin people up and get them active so they can put their plan and they can further their plan. And I think that's going to be one of the biggest tests is, well, you know ten commandments, you know, one of the parents is now shall not kill. How you know it's going to be if that, if it kicks off the way

they want it, it's going to be hard to defend your family. And if you have from the have nots without doing that and right because they'll find us guilty. Just like you've seen for the last four years, you've seen people break into the store and the guy protects himself, who gets arrested. The guy who is protecting pushing in that corner. That's right. So yeah, it's going to be it's going to be interesting. Times are ahead of us, for sure. I wanted to kind of pave the way into flat

Earth. When did you you know, you talked about all the other things that you've came across from from JFK to nine to eleven, et cetera. When did you kind of come across flat Earth? And what was it that lets you put your guard down long enough to actually investigate it. I've always been very open minded and not just any believe just one thing. Like I've

always entertained everything. And it's probably about four years or so ago when I first started looking into me a five and saw some videos, saw some clips. I might have read an article or two, and I had read all the Sitchen the Twelve Planet series books, and so I was really into all that because I was into ancient aliens. I was I you know, I was super into that, and then uh, when I heard people talk about

that, it was more of follen Angel's thing. And then once you see that everything they do is like a cabalistic Satanic ritual and and trying to lead everyone away from God is being you know, Luciferian and and all the you know, the child sacrifice for Molock and stuff. It's like it just makes

more sense. It just clicked with me that way. And like your episode with Derek Nemos, I would say it was like the final like nail, like where I completely was like on board because how he had I was already you know, probably like eighty ninety five percent there, and then when he how he'd laid it down, it was just like, yep, that's it. Just it just resonated, you know when something clicks and you can just feel it throughout your whole soul and your body and your mental and it was

just like, yeah, that makes that makes much more sense. And those stitching books are good because you learn whether his translations are correct or not, but you learn a lot of history, a lot of geography and stuff from

that Sumerian age. And but it's totally not Aliens. It's fall it's the Fallen and it totally coincides, coincides with the Bible, and you know, yeah, they like the Ethiopian Bible is the oldest one around, and they you know, I know that you're kind of a younger, younger Earth guy where you're thinking more like six eight thousand years and it possibly could be older.

That gap theory, it kind of makes sense, and not necessarily if it's a gap, But like I said, there's no time for God times a thing He created for us, like a man made thing, you know, like the skyclock. You know, moon tells the month, the stars tell the season, the sun tells the time of day, and it just makes so much more sense. And and I think that that's one of the

first divisions was separating that that biblical astrology. I think they probably you know, they obviously renamed all the constellations and everything, all the all the wandering stars into their pagan gods and goddesses and stuff, and and that might be some of the stuff they left out of the Bible, was the true names of the constellations and what they were for and why people kind of do tend to act like the season they were born in, you know, because yeah,

the astrology is like a basic blanket covering of people that were born on certain times. But people tend to do act in those ways and tend to kind of what's the word like, coordinate with that. Whether they choose to or not, it just kind of happens, you know. I can I can see it with my children and people I've known, and my grandmother. She was waiting that she would she would do readings for people and and hypnotize people. And you know, it's like the the millionaires watch the stock markets

and the billionaires watch the stars. She was into all that spiritual energy and and and when do the stuff for people, that was like our past time on Christmas when she was alive, was to watch her pull someone over in the corner and give them a reading and hit all their notes and make them cry and make them have a new understanding. And and you know, she

was very not religious, but she was very Christian in a way. She didn't go to church, but she believed in that and was very I think she had that struggle of she believed both things and didn't know how to unite them together. She didn't understand why they were separate complains. I think they were separated. Yeah, because the Pagans put their twist on it, ye to create that division. Really well said, and I'm glad you mentioned the

Samerians. I have a guess coming on next week who is going to deep dive into that a little bit. And I'm assuming you've read the Book of Enochs and really, you know, you know it's funny. Tucker Carlson is one of these, another one of these characters that they put out there all lah, if you need a hero, we'll give you one. And he has been talking about all the UFOs and the declassifications and everything else. But in the latest interview he actually did hint to these aren't actually you know,

people in you know, little green people from galaxies far far away. And again one of the books of the Bible that's not included first Enox six to eleven, talks about how these giants are the illegitimate offspring of falling angels. They consume the labor of all the sons of men, they kill them, they devour them, and they drink their blood. And these are the things

that are are kind of hidden from us. And where you from do you subscribe to the fact that everybody should read them, should it be looked at as a supporting text. What are your thoughts on the Apocryphy books. They're definitely next on my list. I've read. I've read a little bit of some of the Enoch stuff and some of the Jubilees and stuff. I think they were taken out for a reason. I think people should read them. I mean, the more knowledge. I mean, you should read the bog

of Gita. You should read all that stuff and take whatever is positive and can be used for good out of it and leave the rest. You know, you shouldn't be idol worshiping obviously and into all the crazy stuff because obviously you can see it's fall and angel stuff with the hybrid gods and everything. But I think there is information that's useful and can help people in all those books and to help you understand the bigger picture and to where it all plays

together in the Bible. Like my acronym for Bible. I didn't make this up, and I didn't make up the you're giving me credit for the the effects and not the side effects. I heard someone else say that on a on a different podcast. But H Bible b I B L E. Basic instructions before leaving the Earth, and I think that they simplified it down enough to that we're not going to get the full understanding and the full connection that

we should have. And so I think people should read those books and should take the good information out of there and apply it and and build a better foundation in a better perspective. I could agree more. What what would you say as far as flatter Earth? What was one of the first Was it a video? Was it a book? Was it was it a YouTube video? What kind of led you down the path to flatter Earth? Yeah, I saw like a couple of videos pop up, and I said, what

is this? You know, because like I said, I was into the ancient alien stuff. And then I and one of the ones that really churned me was it was done here in Utah Utah Lake and it was one of the laser tests, you know, over curvature, and so like that,

like I said, that's one of my silver bullets is curvature. Their own formula does not work, you know, and curvature goes with being able to see too far the you know, the Chicago skyline, you know, And I don't know, I'd like to go do one out of the salt flats. But like I've seen so many of the videos, it proved the curvature. You know, their their math equation doesn't work. And then you know

water always finds its level. And just the words of that, you know, it's airplane, it's in the air, over the plane, it's horizon, it's horizontal. You know everything has to be built level that we use water level bubbles to build stuff. It just when I started just going down watching videos and it was just like, holy crap. And and I and TikTok was a good one when it came out because there's so much stuff on there. And I knew when they started bad mouthing TikTok that was why.

Because they can't control it. It's not part of their system. It's not their baby. You know, it's not under one of their controllers. They're fake. They're fake heroes such as Zuckerberg and Elon And like I said,

you want a hero, they'll give you one. And it's like you like, right now, everyone that was starting to kind of doubt Trump, then you see the picture from the UFC fight and you got Trump and Tucker and Kid Rock and a couple of people like, oh, this is the best ever, and it's like, no, they're just trying to get at all those people in those different crowds, those different tribes lined up, and it's like there's just so much stuff from all the people he put into positions and

didn't get rid of and things that he did. Like I was watching a clip today, Operation Warp Speed, Take the Pee Out, Operation War on the Seed. It's like they're just it's like you want to believe, and you want to believe some of these people might have been in it from the start and actually have turned over a leaf. That's something I pray at night, as you know, says, pray for the enemies, and I pray that we won't be deceived by the wicked ones that want to do us harm.

And I pray that the wicked people can have a change of heart and to do good and that you know, the ones that can't, that we can defeat them. And it's just, you know, so when I just started just seeing all the building blocks, I got Dave's app. That's really

fun. A lot of good stuff on there. And it's like being exposed to astrology and stuff from my grandma growing up and learning about how the astrology and the Biblical cosmology was such a big thing back in the times of when Jesus was getting in trouble for going against some of the stuff that the Synagogues and the Hebrews were teaching, and the druids and stuff. It all relates,

and it's all been corrupted and divided. So yeah, it just so like the curvature was a big one for me, because if you're saying we're living on a ball, nothing hands out to your math, it can't be. It's it's just you know, I live here in Salt Lake, been up on the move, been ski and since I could walk, snowboarding, and you're coming down that cannon and you can see out forever when you're up there. You know, it's just and I couldn't even calculate the miles,

you know, it's just. Were you able to connect the dots pretty quickly when you understood that the globe is a deception? Did you connect the dots pretty quickly? Why they work so hard to minimalize flat Earth and to push the ball agenda. Yeah, So as soon as that started falling into place, it's like, oh, I get it now, this is just part of the them keeping us away from God, Like the whole science is to

lead people away from God. It just totally, like I said, how it brings people back to God. I was a scientism, wasn't an atheist. I always believed in God, and I would always when I would argue with Christian people growing up, I would always throw the teachings of Jesus in their face. I'd say, well, that's not what Jesus did, That's not what Jesus taught, That's not what Jesus. You know, they would all wear them what would Jesus do bracelets. I'm like, that's not what

Jesus would do. And it would really piss them off, and stuff like, well, you're the one here saying that you're a fallower for Christ, but you don't play the game. You're not, you know, you just go, like you said, go to church for an hour on Sunday, or you know, go to a meeting on Wednesday night, or it's just not you know, yep. Yeah. And that was the biggest thing for me, My goodness, gracious, and there's a range of emotions, and

I'm sure it was very much the same for you. How do you once you realized the deception, how were you able to translate to your wife. How did she take that? She? I think she can see it. She's not. She proclaims to be a wickan, but she doesn't practice magic. She doesn't, you know what I mean. I think she more goes along that line because it was something cool growing up. It was a trendy and I think it's kind of a rebellious thing because of how it was portrayed

in history. These these crazy people were burning people as witches when they probably weren't. They were probably actually following just because they knew how to use herbs, the natural God given medicine to heal you. And to this day they're doing the same. They'll they'll take your license away. And so she is on board. She just doesn't get in it. She she hates it. I'm so deep in the conspiracies and I bring it home and so it's it's good to have other people to talk to. I do have a small circle

I can talk to. My mom's been My mom's been pretty good at accepting it, because, like you said, how do you approach people, how do you drop the bread crumbs it? It depends on the person. If it's a if it's a religious person, you got to give them Bible stuff. Yeah, it's a if it's a non religious person, if it's an atheist or scientism person, you've got to give them science. And so that's the approach. Like I don't know where my mom, but I've sent her

a ton of your podcast. I've I've sent her a bunch of stuff, and I used the religious angle on her a lot. And I think I think she's just in that confused stage, like she doesn't understand like why the line, but she does, she does, but she doesn't, like she's it's hard for her to accept. You know, she's just turned sixty seven. She's you know, just been full blown in the indoctrination TV and everything

her whole life. And you know, get the white dude in the white lab coat telling you what's right and what's wrong and every system there is, like that's why most doctors choose camel cigarettes. Yep. Oh yeah, it's amazing. How getting back to the political thing, I wanted to touch on it before I forgot. We talk about things like we can't believe we bought into like helio centrism and many of the other things. But the other thing that I'm very upset at myself for allowing to be a part of for so

long. Is the Team Left versus Team Right? And moreover, more importantly than that, is putting my faith into other people, saying if this person isn't elected, then I'm not going to be free like that. The mind manipulation of people is so deep. And there's some days while I'll go outside,

I'll put out my camp and chair. It can be thirty degrees and I'll just sit out there for hours and think this whole process everything is, Everything is intertwined, from elections to Team Left to Team Right, to the earth, to school to your corporate churches, and just it's all tied in to make you just so confused and to make you forget that you were in control of your life, that you control what happens tomorrow. Yeah, it's all to make you lost in space, lost in space, and it's just,

you know, that's not what Jesus's message was. It's we all have that touch of us. We all can walk that path, we all have the power to do, you know, to basically, you know, not be Him, but live that same walk that same road and be that strong and not let the wicked ones control us. But they've done such a just a good job of doing that and and just you know, divide and conquer.

It's just you know, like I said, they run the same playbooks over and over and and people just feel like what can I do to stop its? Like, well, you got it. First of all, you gotta get right with God, and you gotta fuck or you gotta believe in yourself. You can't just you can't be scared of them because they are the few percent. They are the you know, and whatever they can do to

you, you got to have faith that. Like when they this guy was breaking down the armor of God the other day, it's all for the front of you, helmet, breastplate, belt, shield, sword boots, nothing for your back because God's got your back. I was kid, I work up with He's on page with this. We have deep discussions. Yeah. I told him that their days. Well, that gave me the chills. And I'm like, because it's the truth, Like, that's that's why you're

not supposed to run away and let them chase you off. You're not supposed to stand here and kill them all. But you're supposed to stand your ground and face it and have the faith like just be hit it head on and

people respect that. Going back to again with COVID. While I'd walk into Walmart without our mask, for every one person who would give me the scowl, there would be another person would kind of nod and appreciate the fact that people had the testicular fortitude to stand up against you know, the government. Again, stop believing that another human being gives you your rights. Okay, that nothing could be further from the truth. And again, it's going to

take a lot of work. Excuse me, it's going to take a lot of courage and for people to get out of their comfort zone and to start having these discussions in public with family members and with friends to get them to see the truth. Now again, like you said with your mom, and you know, I'm an older guy too, My goodness, I'll be fifty five in July. I was just in high school like two days ago. I don't know what happened. But obviously the older the person, it can

be a little more. It's not always the case, but it can be more difficult to kind of unwind that in doctrination. But at some point we have to put our foot down and put a stop to the way society is going before literally before it's too late, because where we are today, we're in a scary place. Not to spread the fear porn and not to make people worry, but we are in I'm very worried about this coming year twenty twenty four because we know in the United States when there's an election here,

they try to get things out of control to have certain outcomes. This I would say, if you're thinking about trying to wake people up and get them to understand how the world really works, I would suggest you try to do so sooner than later. And with that being said, have you had any success kind of waking people up? Probably my mom a little bit. My half brother he's been he's been awake for a while. He's one of the

people I can talk to about it. He doesn't really have I don't think, anyone to talk to about and I keep trying to tell him, like, our group here is bigger than you think. There's more of us that are can see this stuff and think the same way than you think. And some of my friends not really there. Like I've had a pretty tight group of friends, but like I said, they're pretty indoctrinated. They're in that we just want to you know, we just want to have a beer and

smoke one and chill. And they don't believe and they just can't see it. Like my one friend he told me about is probably almost twenty years ago, wow, because his uncle was on it. And but he is trying to tell me when COVID happened to go get Go get the jab like you say, you know, and he's already had I know, at least one or two booster and it's like, dude, how like you know, they can see one part of it, they can't see the other, can't connect

the dots. Yeah, And so my friend group's pretty softwered quite a bit. Like I said, I grew up sex, drugs, and rock and roll. I just celebrated my two years sober anniversary. Oh God, blessing December eleventh. Uh. You know, I grew up in a bar. Like I grew up, alcohol was cool. And alcohol is definitely the gayway drug. It's called spirits for a reason. Ye you know. They labeled it as marijuana, but it's definitely alcohol. I agree from my experience.

I sold it for fifteen years, and I was in it for you know, longer than that. I probably started drinking when I was seventeen and I'm forty two now, so I quit when I was forty. It's just you get what I call it the F word, the efforts when you get past your point of drinking where it doesn't matter. Oh yeah, eft, let's go do this, or yeah we'll do that. It's just and you can physically, I physically just watch people change when they're intoxicated for being behind that

bar. As a poor Man's psychologist said, listen to their problems, and everyone's drinking to to feel happy and to alleviate their anxieties. And really what it does is it'll either it might change you for a moment. You might get happy. You might have a couple of drinks and a song comes on and you feel good. But eventually it's just gonna accelerate that state of mind

you're trying to alleviate. It doesn't it doesn't kill any problems. It just it just kind of puts them to the back burner, just a distraction for a minute. And like I said, when part of me waking up was we used to do a camp out every year with our small group and we would have a big dose of a psilocybin, psychedelic mushroom tea and and sit around the fire and get deep, laugh and cry and go through all of it. And I remember, I haven't done it now for the last two

years, and the one four years ago we did a lot. We went big, they called a heroic dose. And I saw the firmament that night. I was standing out there and what it what it looked like to me was like the domes in the churches in the Capitol buildings, and then with like the sacred geometry, the diamonds and the honeycombs, and it was just this giant and I, you know, I was like I was seeing it. And that was when I first was kind of getting into it, and

I was just like, oh my god. And I was trying to talk to a couple buddies about like do you see this or you see like can you you know? And of course they're so in doctor, Oh no, that's stupid. You know, We're on a globe spinning, and and it's like, you know, and just couldn't see weren't seeing what I was seeing. And and then it talks about those references, you know, we used to hear the stars saying, well, out where we would go, you

can really see the ple eightes that of stars. It looks like it's always moving and manipulating and like dancing. And so me and my one friend we always would stare at that and just like what is that is it? Is it like a Morse code? Is it sending us a message? Is it saying something? And then when I heard the people bring that up about how we used to like, yeah, we just probably can't hear what it's saying anymore. We in the old days when people were connected properly and and understood

it better. Probably you know, it was giving a confirmation of God and spirituality. You know, yeah, one hundred percent. That goes all the way back to again, those old ancient people were dumb, and we've really, with technology and everything else, we've just become out of touch with nature and God's creation. I couldn't agree anymore with you. You had mentioned that curvature was one of your silver bullets. What were your others that you had?

The movements in space, you know, like we're spinning one thousand, then going sixty thousand, and then we're chasing the sun through space at five hundred thousand miles an hour, Like people can't even fathom these speeds. So in like the space station, like all the NASA stuff, like the moon landing. I mean you just look at it now. Even as a kid, I remember looking at it going, oh, it's cool, but it

never resonated like what we actually did. And then when you hear, oh, well the moon reflects the sun might well why was it so dark on the moon, And like you've brought up, why isn't any of the moon dust popping up in the air. Why isn't there dust clouds all over? And then the space station, it's going seventeen thousand miles an hour. Well, whether it's going the same direction we spin or the opposite, we should be seeing it zoom across the sky like sixteen times a day, fifteen times

a day. There should be the streak because people don't know how fast is. Yeah, plane looks slow, but it's only going a couple hundred miles an hour. People can't understand seventeen thousand miles an hour like that thing should be shooting across the sky like a shooting star fifteen to sixteen times a day

like a streak. Yeah, and it's literally going like yeah, it's like thirty four times faster than like a seven sixty seven, right, And it's like, oh, we have an app that you can watch it, and it's like, yeah, but the app it's just showing it going so slow, and it's not it's showing oh, here you can see it at night come by. Yeah, that should be like the fifteenth time it's come by or the tenth time, you know, Like I said, it should be

coming across multiple times a day. And people doing space walks on a vehicle that's going that fast. It's just right and it's never been hit by any space to breathe it right there, all yeah, unbelievable. And then just the fact that you know they won't emit the firmament, but there's the van Allen radiation belt and you know, the temperatures of melting of aluminum and what

the crafts were made out of. They can't go through it. And speaking like you've always been asking people lately about stars and stuff, I think stars are our angels and I think their souls. I think that we probably become a star if you pass on to the next realm and you get to that next level of the inside or beyond the firmament and like shooting stars like that,

you know, they always come down whenever sees them go up. Well, that the concept of the Bible always talks about the firmament being blue sapphire, and our sky is blue. And how that one guy's done that scientific experiment with the electromagnification of the oxygen that makes it like this blue, hard and crystal. Well, how many things do they shoot up into that thing and try and blow it up. That's what falling stars and some of that can be is chunks of that coming down, burning up, and then it

just burns up in the atmosphere and then I'm sure it heals itself. It's God to be able to heal itself or otherwise there be a bunch of water forming through it. And you know, yeah, and obviously yeah, and I've said before, obviously I believe God made it to where only He can destroy the earth. That's why I think that the nuke thing, Oh, we can destroy the earth seventy times over. No, you can't, because God created and only God. And that's what I tell people in church.

I got not an argument, but somebody had mentioned in church one of the times that we were there about you know, Putin and the nuclear missiles, this and that, and I said, only God. I was like, if we could destroy the earth at will, then that would completely eliminate revelations right right, that the prophecy would not If that happened tomorrow, then what's the prophecy for? And all of it, everything, the deception is so

deep. And you know, it's funny once you're on this side of the fence because listen, all of us at some point, for whether it was we were a little awake or a lot awake, and there's always people who you know, well, we were all there. Yeah, we were all there at some point. It's so frustrating when we're on this side. It's like, man, please see it. And that's my favorite movie is They Live And when when Roddy Piper and the other guy are fighting and he's just

trying to put the glasses on that guy. That is my life. That's what I feel like. And that's like you said, I haven't had much luck waking anyone up, because that's how it feels like. I was like,

come on, just look at it, and they just won't. They don't, like they don't want their comfort destroyed and I'm like, like, if you think that this is gonna, you know, hurt your comfort, wait till if they succeed in their plan and you got to really find it out the hard way's have no preparation and no one understanding and you have a mental breakdown during the middle of it. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

You know, I thought we actually made some progress. I think three months ago, when you know the hacker group Anonymous they made that eight minute video on flat Earth. I'm like, Wow, this is actually getting mainstream. And then two days later it's just it didn't like everything else. That's that's cool story, bro. I sent it to one of my friends that's way into it and he's laughing about it. Oh, it improves your critical

thinking skills, and oh, I can't wait to share this. And I'm like and I'm like, I'm glad that you're heading on the video, and I hope you do share it because it's going to back. You're trying to share it because you think it's stupid. Yep, some of the people that you share to are going to wake up. It's going to click. So I was like, even though he's completely against it, that's awesome. Please share it as much as you can, because it you know. And I

tried to share with him your episode with Raoul. Shout out to Raoul and Alex and Claudia from a mental It's one of my favorite shows. That was great Grand Years, probably the two biggest I listened to. And I shared that his first time on here on your on Flatter Files with a lot of people and say, look, this guy kind of went through a life like I did. And so you know, if we haven't talked for a while, if you're kind of wondering where my head's at, where I'm at,

listen to this episode. It's pretty much not the same, but like similar, Like you'll listen to his journey and what's gone on and where he's at. And that's the best I can explain it if you're if you're wondering at this time in our lives. Yeah, And that's interesting you say that, because I if I post a picture of my dog on Facebook, it'll get you know, I have a very small private group. You know, it'll get twenty or thirty lakes. But I actually put the anonymous video and I

put please take eight minutes and watch this. It didn't get not one nobody paid attention to it. And then that's so frustrating for me that you know, you know, we're near the Philly metropolitan area. So but hey, the Eagles one, you'll you'll get twenty lights or here's my chicken playing with my dog twenty likes. But you know, like you said, here is where I am at the age of fifty four, This is where I am at in my journey in life. And it's I don't have my cricket thing

preloaded here, otherwise i'd hit you know, crickets. But it's just so interesting that really goes to show once again where we are as a society, that they'll pay attention to football scores, they'll pay attention to cute things, right. And no, I'm not knocking TikTok because, like you said, it's something that can't be controlled by the folks in this country. That's why they hate it so much. But I think our tension span has almost become

TikTok. Right, two three minutes is all we can really focus on. Then we're on to the next thing. Most of the people, yeah, there are few people that listen to podcasts and can you know, digest an hour and you know. I I started out when I was driving truck. I listened to Rogan a lot, and I can't listen to it anymore. I can't either same show over and over, his same narrative, his same perspective. You know, he used to be he used to challenge and go

go in on some things and be open minded. And then after he did the episodes with Malone and the other doctor, they shut him down and told him who's who and what's what, and he completely changed his tune. And like I said, the last time, one of the last episodes I listened to was the last time Neil de clown Tyson was on there. And all he was on there to do was promote his book and used Joe's platform. Yep, he didn't not one iowa what Joe had to say, didn't care

anything. Was he almost was very disrespectful and was just like, here's my book, here's my racist perspectives, and here's my Space stuff, and I don't care what you have to say, and I don't care who others podcast or person you suggest me to talk to. It was just like wow, it's very it was very ugly. And so I haven't listened to his show now for over a year probably, and just been listening to a bunch of other podcast Yours Tenfold Hat with Sam Tripleal, like his watch a lot of

John Levi videos. Yeah, every Sunday he comes out. My wife loves John Levi. I'm like, it's Sunday morning. I'm barely awake. John's put me to sleep. Put it on one point five speed. I gotta listen to it. I listen to it BA and I'll slow down when there's something to look at. And then he's great that I work with. He he really loves John Lee, but that's his guy. He's good. He's of the ones. And then I like Doctor Narcolongo and I love all the

Hitler stuff, and I hate how they diss on on John. But it's like John's just trying to come from a spot he doesn't so he's not going to act or pretend like he does, you know, and and to come full spectrum as they know for sure. It's like, well, you you do have a good insight on it, but you don't know for sure,

so don't you know? So that just kind of it's just more that division with our own community, like you know, you're hating on the guy because he presents it as he does it well, he doesn't like and he's not trying to pretend like he's a know it all. He's just trying to that's his angle. I don't know, Well, this is look at it? Do you know what it is like? Please keep questioning, keep speculating,

And that's what I try to do here. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about almost everything, but I'm not really a subject matter expert on too many things. And I think one of the cool things about how this podcast has evolved is every time we bring on somebody new, like yourself, we all learn something new every single guest, and so we're all

all of us are trying to connect the dots. By the way, I should say, all the podcasts you named are great, including of course our Friend's Role and everybody else there at the Firnmamental podcast, Alex, My lunch break is something I became hooked on that David Weiss kind of put me onto it, and he's kind of I think, similar to John Levi, would you agree, kind of going through old school history and architecture and the mud

floods type of Yeah. I love my lunch break I actually just my last day of work before Christmas break, I dropped that nugget on one of our younger workers there. He's like twenty two good and I said, I've ever seeing my lunch break and he's like, oh, no, what is that. It's cute, cool little YouTube channel there. There's shorter videos so you

don't have to watch like an hour long thing. It's like ten minutes and just goes over questions everything because he listens to the conspiracy guys and some other stuff like that, and so I was like, oh, check it out, you know, and just trying to get him in the fold. And it's it's hard because so many people when they get raised in a strict religion such as like LDS or Catholicism or something, they get such a bad flavor

for anything God related and they go so extreme. That's a great point opposite way. So it happens to a lot of people here in Utah. They get related raised in the LDS religion and they don't study the Bible like I said, they study the Book of Mormon, they kind of skim over some of the stuff that helps them promote their narrative in the New Testament. They don't really like to go over the Old Testament at all, and unless they

pick and choose a few verses here and there to promote their angle. And so when they so when they get exposed they go on their mission or they go to college and see a whole different world and different perspectives, they're like, oh, this is stupid, this is a cult. And they go so hard the opposite way. Yeah, and it's like, well, that's what you've got to look at as is they are they're teaching their certain made up version of it for that control, for that gain of power. And

that doesn't discredit all of it doesn't discredit God and Jesus and anything. It just to credit discredits what they're doing. But I find that there's a tough one with a lot of people, like even you know, like even Hebrew and Jewish people do that too, Like they'll learn like, oh, well, they're studying the they're studying the Talmud. It's all about the Torah.

It's all bs. And it's like, well, no, they just that's why they created the Talmud was to loophole and bypass the Torah, to not have to follow any of the rules of the actual teaching and the actual you know what you should be doing. You you want your eyes open read that right. Holy cow, we're starting to wind down here. Was there any other bullet points that you wanted to make sure that you brought up during the

podcast? Just how all the history is just you know, it's so given to us and not not probably what it really was from all the different wars of the world, all this the national histories of different countries and places, and I mean, and like people are in the flat earth always, Oh,

there's so much more land out there, and there definitely is. I don't know if there's anything outside of the ice wall which could possibly be I've seen some videos showing how the sun could go to those other places and stuff. But like they just found how many new Japanese islands, like seventy thousand or something like that, some crazy number seven. I don't know what it

was. It was huge, but it's like, yeah, how what other That's just that there could be places and just the the treaties of you know, well, we're supposedly in the middle of this war, but they're all going down to Antarctica and just you know, and the North Pole and all that, like I've been up above the Arctic Circle and uh in there in Finland where some of my family comes from, up into Lapland, and and how they all have reindeer up there for pets. Wow, and they're like

domesticated. They got collars on them and they're laying on their porch like a dog. And it's just knowledge of coexisting with the animals that we were supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be out here teaching each other, populating, naming and and and producing, not not out here divide and conquer, fearing each other and fighting and right and just to touch on your your your Jordan thing, uh, No one talks about when Jordan's dad died that it

could have possibly just been a murder. So there was a thing that was out about Jordan's gambling. Yep, how Jordan would never lose yep, double nothing, double nothing. We're doing to you know, tell he would win? Well, that only goes so far with like personal bets, like once you owe the house. And so that was just always a conspiracy of mind, like theory of what if they killed his dad because he wouldn't pay and they said, no, you're not doubling up this time you need to pay

and send them a message. Okay, we killed your father and that's why he stepped away and and then came back and like just just just a little touch on that. Oh I buy that's a episode. Yeah, his dad died right before he retired the first time. So yeah, yeah, the fact that he wanted to play baseball, like no athlete has ever walked away, you know, Sansbury Sanders, right, But he didn't quit being an

athlete, He just went to baseball. I one hundred percent agree that it was a deal with the NBA because he's the great ate at star and that the sport in the sports history, and you could question one of the top three American athletes of all time, certainly the most recognizable. I remember when the movie with him and Bugs, Bunny and all those guys came out in like in the early nineties, it was one of the biggest crossing movies of the of the year. He I mean, he had everything, but again,

his gambling was off the chart. And it would not surprise me if his father was murdered by you know, some folks from Vegas or maybe some mob bosses. You know, maybe he would those because he he would golf

for million dollars a hole, and you don't know who's behind these. You know, you get to the eighteenth, you're three million in the hole and there's some mobsters standing there, right, or you've been secretly Pete Rose betting on your team or championships and yeah, and we all know that referee from the NBA came out and how yeple call change a game and all that, and it always hit the money line and stuff. And another one was,

uh, people always talk about the Shazam movies. So in Shazam Too, they always talk about when the the lady, the which lady puts the dome over everything, and like how it's kind of exposing the firmament like in the Simpsons with the dome and all that. Yeah, the biggest thing for me

is the tree. Now, I've been to Devil's Tower, and I've been all over southern Utah and we have a lot of you know, structures that look like cut down trees, and the Devil's Tower one, I've been there and I've seen a lot of videos on it and it definitely looks like a tree to me. Now. In Shazam Too, that's the whole point is they're getting back this magic seed from their uh god realm because they're theirs was killed and they need this magic seed to replant their tree of life to repopulate

their world. So the one gets pissed off instead of replanting it in their their dimension or world or wherever realm where they're from, she goes and plants it. I think it's in Philly Stadium, and this tree pops out, and then the roots just started going all through the city and what pops out of the roots are cyclopses, minotaurs, all these demonic haf breeds like from the flood and stuff. And it just when I saw that scene in that show, it just clicked and made me think of all the cut down trees

and stuff. And I was and I was just thinking, like, maybe that's why in the old times some of those trees got cut down, because they were seating some of the corrupted flesh and the corrupted beings that weren't supposed to be here. Maybe we cut some of them down or some of the good, you know, because I you know, some of the it's weird when you research the history, like some of the demigods, the lower lower

g gods. You know how Athena supposedly stood up for us and stayed to fight off the bad ones, and same with like some of the other Norse ones and different ones. There was always evil and good ones, you know, like some that were part of the Elohem and some that were the you know, followers of Lucifer and Saton that were the third it came to corrupt us and ruin everything. Right, So it's like maybe some of them did cut down those evil trees, and then maybe some of the bad ones cut

down some of our good trees. And that's what some of those you know, that theory of those big giant rock structures being cut down trees comes from. Said you said that was Shazam two. Yeah, and Shazam two. I definitely haven't seen that. When I have to. That scene is just

crazy. It's just when she plants that tree and it grows and then all those all those things that got wiped out by the floods start popping out, It's like, holy cow, like I could that could definitely be one of the way, Like you know, it was just it just resonated, It just made a click, and no one ever talks about that part. They just talk about the Dome. Have you seen the new Obamas movie. No, I've seen some. I saw a trailer and I saw some clips,

and I don't know. I've ben't scared to watch it because like my wife, hat's watching stuff with me because I can't shut up. I'm like, oh, look at that. I can't just sit there like so some stuff I could sit there and enjoy. Bird Like I just always say, trying to code everything. Yeah, it's called leave the world behind if you get an opportunity, Like we don't pay for Netflix, but somebody kind of hooked me up. And it's so much like the girl's wearing a NASA shirt,

the other guy he's wearing an Obey shirt, the checkered floor. I mean, just I've never seen a movie since I think it's up in the air. Maybe that had so much symbology, whether it's predictive programming, which if it is, we're in big trouble, or if it's just more symbols and

to see who's paying attention but they're short is a lot. Another question I wanted to ask you was, by the way, when you were talking about history, one of the things that really woke me up is when I found out the true history of Lincoln. That was really an eye opener because of course he's champion as one of the greatest presidents of all time, and then you find out he was certainly, without a doubt, one of the most

tyrannical. But you've mentioned the Pyramids during our conversation a few times. What do you think of the peer amids are who built them? Et cetera. I think they were probably built by some of the nepheline or Rafaim, some of the ancient demigods. That's why we can't do it today. Uh, And just the sheer size of them had you know, it almost had to have been some giants involved in that. I really liked the YouTube channel Land of Cam with his name is Jeff I can't remember his last name. He

has a book, Land of Cam, He's got a YouTube channel. He's really uh broken down how they're chemical processing plants and how they're connected because they they've never found, you know, they have actual tombs, they've never found sarcophagus and bodies in the pyramids and so and he talks about how that technology was taken around the world and like that's really what it was when they went over to Ireland to kill the snakes. Was you know, there wasn't snakes

in Ireland. There was certain knowledge of the transmutation of metals and and chemical making and stuff. And so he's done. I don't know how he gets access to it, because like Graham Hancock supposedly banned from the Pyramids for his theories on it. And then this guy's over there inside filming them and doing

chemical testing and like all this stuff, and his channel's pretty big. But how he breaks it down, how they're like chemistry sets of how they would put this chemical in flood it in with the water to create the pressure up in this chamber, and to go into the next chamber and create one one type like a pneumonia here, and then they would send it down to the next one and they would turn into a couple other different chemicals or gases and

send it to the next one. It's it's pretty interesting. He's got some really cool videos on there. I'll have to send you a couple that I usually recommend to people. And then out here west of Salt Lake, we have what looked like many modern day pyramidal structures, you know, built out of you know, modern materials and stuff, and they're small and they're all connected with pipes go on from one to another. That looks like the process

he's explaining, just on a smaller scale. Interesting. So yeah, it's I think that's what they were, was ancient technology they've hidden and disguised as tombs and stuff. And I mean they're everywhere. There are pyramids on every

continent everything. And I'm really into doctor Narco a Longo's that Florida could be the Garden of Eden, for like the twenty seven trees that grow there out of the twenty eight of the Bible, and the river systems, and it's an actual fertile crescent, and why not keep them fighting over a deserted wasteland desert over there and keeping them away from the true you know, fertile area.

I mean, is a possibility. I like entertaining that. Plus, the Egyptians say they came to Egypt by boat because their land was destroyed and flooded out. And you have all the Egypt stuff and the Grand Canyon that's hidden and stuff, right, Yeah, that's something I haven't dove into enough. Yeah, and you can't, you know, there's so many sections of it. You can't even go into Buddy're like we should just get some four wheelers one day and going like, yeah, we'll get shot, just like

trying to invade their area fifty one. They're letting you in there. And just you know, the whole slavery history, you got so much of dark skinned people all throughout Mexico and stuff, and tribes of Indians here that were black and brown. You know, I don't think that they were all brought here by boat. I think they're taking them back and forth from Africa to Hear, from here over to Europe, from all over everyone's been slaved.

And and that's that's one thing that bugs me about like the leadership of Islam. They attract so many non white people when the leaders of it technically to their eyes are white. They're all Arab non you know, And and they still do slavery today. But yet the Christians are the evil white slaveries of the past. Like that's just a just one of that, know that more

that distorted history to create the division and to hide the truth. Yeah, and it's really interesting, and I've said this before that you know there's people

who will still scream about what happened two years ago. Let's just say it did happen that way, that there's still fifteen to twenty million slaves today, and like people will go out and they'll spend two hundred dollars on a pair of nikes that were literally made by slave labor, right, and your phones, your iPhone's made in a labor camp, and is just it's just another that divide and conquered to keep us fighting each other instead of fighting the real

enemy, exactly the spot on. That's that's what it's all about. Keep us fighting amongst each other. And lastly, I'm glad you brought up chemptrails my episode Tuesday night on the Fact Hunters called Death from Above. Before Christmas, I had mentioned that we were getting sprayed here like I've never seen before. And over the last week, everybody I know has been sick, and that is something that really needs to be addressed and brought up more as well.

And I'm glad to see some of the fringe podcasts and social media folks are starting to talk about it because it's a big issue. Oh yeah, and and people don't believe, like I said, my friend turned me onto him like twenty years ago and I've been watching it my whole life. They spray here like crazy. It is. It is insane. And you watch the pass that go. It's right over the most populated areas. And like you said, they all everyone's getting sick. And now you know there's a

five G tower every hundred yards yep, I mean everywhere. It's just I don't know if they correlate or not. But like I said, radiation poisoning sickness is the same symptoms as the flu. I think it goes hand in hand. You know, it is the air, the water, the food. You know, there's a cool app. It was a link from when you were buying the water filter on on from Ready Hour, like on my Patriots Supply they have that big water like Alexa pure Pro or whatever water filter.

There was a link it could go to and you could type your city in and it would show you kind of the levels of the stuff in your water. And it was really cool. So I checked out like my water area, like and you know here in Utah and the little suburb city I'm outside of Salt Lake, and it gave you different levels for different places. It was really neat to see, you know, and that could be true, and that could be false. You know, it's like you know,

you know, like and they trace. That's another thing here is the genealogy Hibler had mentioned. No, most people's past only goes to like the Civil War. Well, a lot of people can trace their stuff back farther than that. Yeah. And then here in Utah, I have a huge genealogy library and it's free. And it's like, but is it true? Because they're trying to prove they're they're one of the lost tribes of Israel. That's you know, that's why they are so into it. They want to baptize

everyone into their religion and prove that they true. And and and I think that those tablets were just stolen out of a mound. I think that you know, they found they dug up some mount in Ohio one of the giant mounds are burial pyramids, and and found a found them tablets and and then created you know what they have today. After that, I mean they've been They've had a member in every sector of the government for ever, for you

know, over twenty years. If you know, huge FBI thing out here, you got huge military bases, like you said, they just built that gigantic NSA Center out here. Yep, Like you know, they're they they had a guy running for president, They've paid their dues, they're in. You know. It's I tell my brother that, I'm all, that's why they have this. It's so called vault in the mountain. I'm all, that's not a vault. That's an underground city in the mountain that they're going

to go. The top dogs are going to hide in that, right, and then all the temples are giant bunker fortresses for the next level, and then the other churches are all just for the next lower level, peasants and people they want to save to keep as their workers and slaves. And and he was like, well, I never thought about it like that. And it's just, you know, it's just weird. It's just weird. It's

always been a beautiful, super beauty place. We got you can snow ski and water ski in the same day, and it's just but just the who it's controlled and run by, it's super weird, indeed. And it's the same with Colorado. You know, you look at the all the symbolism at the airport, and then of course that the mountains down there in Colorado Springs. I can't remember the name of the place. Norad is in you know, in the in the mountains there. So the Getty the Getty family is

one of the richest families in the world. It's been known for years. The second guest I ever had on the fact dunner Man. I can't think. Stephen D. Kelly. That's his name, Stephen D. Kelly. He does the show every week and it's just on the underground compound below the Getty Museum in California and every all the evil that goes on there. But I wanted to run past you. Have you heard of this before? The reason I brought up the the camtrails in the spring is that the two compounds

that were tested. There was a big TV thirteen years ago, twenty ten, a local news story. There was a guy in the small town that was screaming chemtrails. So the day after a day that it appeared to be spreading, they took this piece of whatever they had left out and they tested it. And the two chemicals that they found was barium and aluminum. Well, barium, what is the symbol b A? What is aluminum al So you have your ball on top of that the atomic number for barium is fifty

six. Fifty six is the number of the Jesuits. How many signatories were there on the Constitution? Fifty six, and then aluminum is thirteen. You look at all the numerology between aluminum and barium. The melting point is six hundred and sixty six point three degrees celsius for aluminum. That there's a lot of numerology between these two things. And I wonder if that if there's anything to that. Have you ever heard that, I've heard you talk about it.

I've heard that I work with aluminum. We cut aluminum motorcycle sprockets and uh we get a high end, real high grade space age aluminum quality, you know. And NASA yeah, and uh, but yeah, I think it does. You know, they love their numbers. And I think it has to do with the rituals. I think there is you know, the vibrations and all that, and I think that when they spray it, it coordinates, and that the different things they put in in these all these medications,

all these injections. You know, that's why they're pushing the bug agenda. That's why the the shellfish thing and the bugs is in the in the Bible. Because shellfish are just water bugs or just sea bugs. And I heard the other day how when you eat that and then if you're injected out it reacts together it like it helps, it helps it do what it's supposed

to do. If you're inject if you're eating the shellfish or the bugs, that whatever is injected with you that has that the compound has a reaction and it makes it, you know, congeal or you know, form up what it's intended to do faster, at a higher rate. Agreed, And there's something going on because you know, this year, I've just seen so many sick people that are never sick, and I just seen the uptick of spraying, and who knows what's going on with the five G towers. And you

know, there's some people who believe they're putting things in our water. I'm on a well, so it does make sense if they're spraying, because obviously those chemicals can get into our well through the ground to whereas people think they're putting it into the water systems. I don't know about that, but whatever the evil is, it needs to be stuck. By the way, I think I said the Constitution, it was the Declaration of Independence, that had

fifty six signatures on it. So yeah, you don't think they have to put it in the water system because they spray and it naturally exactly exactly. And that's why you know Senor Gates is buying up all that land. It ain't for the farms, it's for the water. He wants to control the aquifer. He wants to we have that huge water aquifer in the middle of

the country that he wants to own that and dictate. And yeah, they've been playing a long game for a long time when you look at how his grandpa was involved with the Spanish flu, and it's all they just keep doing it every so many years once we forget or don't learn about it, and it's just it's sad. It's I never get sick. I got really sick November of twenty nineteen and then didn't get sick again until probably twenty one,

twenty two. But yeah, I would never I'd maybe get a flu for a few days once a year, but you know, I think your natural cycle of your body purging. Sure, Yeah, I've been getting little little respiratory things here and there, and I never got any jab. I never even did one test. I never even did any of that. I just didn't. We just ejected from that game and just did not play it.

And I was lucky that my job I didn't have to. And then I switched jobs in the middle of it to where I didn't have to, and so yeah, it's just but yeah, I've definitely noticed, and I definitely noticed all the people I know that did get the injections that they are having

major stuff going on, and it's it's heartbreaking. It's just so I've lived such a life of being frustrated about so many things for so long that I'm trying to turn it all from frustration and judgment to to forgiveness and and just trying to just spread love and and not you know, be so upset about it and forgive them for they know not what they do. It's all just we've all just been misled down the wrong way, you know, from everything from science to history to to u creation, right, you know, the

attrition and health and oh man, all of it. Yeah. I did a whole week on the fact underback in twenty maybe it was last year, last summer, but just on all these holistic doctors who were chased out of the country and had their lives ruined, and people who legitimately like cured people from their cancer and things like that through natural resources, which of course threatened big pharmaceutical just like Stanley Meyer, the guy who created the hydra engine.

They killed him because why it threatened the oil industry. If you get in the way of the you know, monopoly, Yeah, the monopoly whoever you want to call them, right the control And that's one last question I wanted to ask you. But anyway to close that out, if you get in their way, you're going to get run over. But I want to close with this question. The people at the top of the food chain, who I believe there are people much higher than the roth Childs and the rock of

Fellers. I think they're order takers. But do you think these people have the ability to directly connect and speak with Satan? Because obviously the evil that is controlling this earth is right, it's biblical. So so have you ever sat back and thought about how those people who are at the top of the food chain that you know, are they able to connect with Satan and kind

of take their orders or how do you think all of this works. I learned about a new family the other day the Wahlburbs in Sweden, they do and talk and uh, I think that, you know, you know, they all believe like the King of England believes he comes from Vladim Paler, who comes from Hercules, who was a creative demon right or Hercules created by

Zeus yep. Uh So I think that they do believe that. And whether they're talking to the Big Dog or just some of his minions, you know what I mean, I think because that's usually how it is, is, oh, do this for us, and it's all about promises. If you do this for us, then we'll connect you to the big Guy. You've got to prove yourself first. It's always just like any of the secret societies and stuff. It's you got to prove your worth and then you then you

get up a level. Then you get closer and closer. Whether they're ever going to get directly to the Big Guy or not, I don't know, but I think they they do believe that. I think. I mean, you look at that ritual they did in front of cerin the other day. Yeah, it's crazy, doesn't matter what you believe, that's what they believe. And it's it's like, you know, and if they believe it. There's a reason, you know, they're the ones suit who seems to be

pulling the strings. And and I'm on with I hate being like blackpil other negative, but that's why I love Hibbler's attitudes, Like if they were going to do all this, they would, there's obviously people fighting them and shutting them down, and I just try to walk that positive path and think that

we can do it. I think there's so many more and more people coming around all the time, and I think that they are scared and they're on their last they're really trying to get it going because they they know that once it's that I can't remember the term, is that once enough of us come around that you know, once you know, when after so many people saw the guy run the six minute mile, then everyone was you know, it's like that thing. Once enough people come around to the idea and to the

power that then you know. And I think that's what like the incubator babies were they That was probably another reset where they got rid of a bunch of people and and redid it all. And and that's why they burned down all the world spares. Was they erase all that to build these they can't. They can't kill the world, Like you said, only God can do that, right, But they can. They can nuke an area like New York

or Sure or San Francisco. And then and when you're when you've been raised in a place like that, like La or New York, with that many people around you, it's easy to think that it's overpopulated. It's easy to think that, you know what I mean, it's doom and gloom. When you've been lucky like me to be raising as much smaller area and been on so many planes and been all over the world and you see nothing but emptiness, you know, I mean, just open land for miles. It's like,

you know, there's so much plenty for everybody. You know, there's but they that's just their game to make get everyone trapped in these cities and and make them think that it's you know, do them and gloom. Yeah. And when people when you're trying to wake people up and they say, oh, the government would never do that, they tried to just say they're

just incompetent. I always tell people to google operations Sea Spray, where they legitimately sprayed biological agents in the city of San Francisco and the story that's there, and that was seventy years ago. Imagine what they're doing today, all those operations. You can look them up that you know, we're just cogs and ponds and in what they think is their game. Yep, they don't care. They they You look how they black melons scow over their own family

and relatives and friends. They like some stranger they don't know, they don't care. You're nothing to them. Yeah, that's part of that division and that that unholy, unrighteous, that ungodly view that you know, nobody matters when we all matter. It's not everything matters. We all matter, We're all here for a reason. That's right, Well done, man, really really really really great podcast. And uh, I do want to give you

the final word, uh, to address the listeners. I just love everyone to keep questioning everything and keep an open mind and just don't you know, take in as much information as you can and use it for positive and do the best you can. And and you've got to put some faith and trust in some people. But you've got to have your faith and trust in God like man will deceive you. And you know God is real. This was

created. You know everyone has their purpose. Just do good. And you know we could close it out with a little prayer if you wanted to, please do I'd appreciate that. All right, we pray to the Most High God, thank you for this podcast, and thank you for everyone in the whole world. And we hope that you can give everyone the strength of finding themselves to keep fighting the good fight and not let the wicked ones of this

world trick us and to do us harm. And we hope that you could give the wicked ones of this world to strength to change their heart and to change their path. And we just want to bless all those that need food, to give them food and shelter, to give them shelter, and just bless the world to not go down the way that some of these evil ones wanted to go down. And we say this in your name, Yeshua Jesus, Amen Amen. Thank you so much, brother. I appreciate that.

And if you'd like to reach out to Eric, his email address will be in the show notes. It's mohammash underscore one at yahoo dot com. Again, it'll be in the show notes. Don't feel like you have to write it down and I'll have it. Looks like about twenty two links in the show notes everything from my lunch break to the land of Kem and even I did find out that zacharias stitching one of his book The Twelfth Planet, that

I found on the internet archive while we were chatting. So take the time out and do some research, and again, share the podcast with your friends and your family, and let's spread the truth. And God bless everyone. As this podcast is released, it's officially twenty twenty four. It should make for an interesting year. Again, Eric, thank you so much for your time. For Eric, I'm George. God bless everyone. Keep your head on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends, we will

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