The following is the Marvi Studios production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds you well. I hope everybody's having a great December. We have a great guest standing by. Rob will be joining us in just a moment. Before we bring them on, just a couple of quick reminders,
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Again, that's the flat Earthfiles at gmail dot com. Without any further ado, let's bring on our guests for today, and his name is Rob. Rob. How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing great, beast day of my life. Souls far George, thanks for having me on. It's an honor to have you, and we've had a great conversation for the last several weeks fellow veterans, So please do take some time and introduce yourself to the audience. Absolutely so. My name is Rob. I live
in western Massachusetts. Bother it to to beautiful kids ten and twelve. I got a lovely wife of twenty years, and you know that's a feat in itself. I feel blessed to be you know, married and in a great
relationship this far along in my life. You know, I have to say that this is one of the few like forums or situations where you know, I think it means a lot to talk about where you come from, your background and kind of your frame of mind, right because you know, this is a this is a topic that when someone speaking and you're kind of listening to their awakening story or listening to you know, where they're coming from. It's kind of important to know like where you know, where they start,
they where their background's from. Because I'm opening that this might relate to you know, some of the listeners out there that I mean, geez I was probably one of the most heavily indoctrinated people in this country, you know, right along with so many others that are just blinded by all the lies. And you know, hopefully this will resonate with somebody so that they do their
own research. And if anybody's you know, still on the fence about you know, whether we live on a ball or a flat plane, maybe you'll do your own research. And that's that's my kind of goal, George, is to just maybe help inspire somebody. Amen to that. And you talk about that you were one of the most indoctrinated people growing up. I think
most of us were really right. Like I was an eighties kid. It was all about Star Wars and the music videos and you know, yeah, I could tell you Mike Schmidt's batting average any day of the week, but I couldn't tell you what the Fifth Amendment was in these type of things, or you know, I showed up to Sunday school in church every week, but it was kind of a check the box for me as a young person and a young adult, right, it was just you went to church and
you checked the box and then you went on and maybe didn't live the way you really should, but go ahead and then you know, go to a little more details about your your growing up and really at what point did you start to see the world in a little bit of a different view. Yeah. Absolutely so. Growing up I'm actually from Phoenix, Arizona, which is on the whole opposite side of the country. I grew up in South Phoenix.
You know, I was into you know, dinosaurs and you know, like most kids, legos, and you know, I ended up going to a space camp, a space camp in Huntsville, Alabama, which you know, I really I gotta you know, give huge credit to my my step grandmother who passed. She paid for me to do that back when I was like ten, maybe nine, ten years old, and I was probably three thousand dollars back in you know, eighty eight. That was that was a
huge chunk of changed. Wow. It was great. And you know, as a kid, I wanted to be an astro not and kind of put me down the path of you know, being interested in that type of stuff. And quite interestingly, my mom and my dad divorced when I was five or six, so I had, you know, two families growing up. And my dad was a little i would say, a little bit religious, so I got baptized and I well, we never went to church, and then my mom, you know, which is something I want to talk about
later on. We'll come back to it. But she was extremely anti religious and brilliant woman. I q tests as a as a child off the charts
that has read more books than I could take care to even imagine. She's an artist by trade as work all over the world actually, and she read so many different religions as a child, being curious that Her big push was that, you know, certain religions believed that others aren't going to go to heaven because they're not part of that religion, and various things like that. So she pushed us a way away from religion as a kid. But I always had my eyes open and it was always open to you know, anything,
as you know, not putting that out of my mind. So I ended up after graduating high school, I started a basic job as a telemarketer. You'll probably remember this back when we had ten cents a minute for long distance, right before cell phones. That's right, like MCI, right, yes, So I was working for MCI was the name of the company as a matter of fact, and I was calling people all over the country to give them five cents a minute for their long distance. So the funny story
about that is. While I was doing that, I was actually home. One day, nineteen year old kid got a call all from a Marine Corps recruiter. So I got telemarketed. The telemarketer got telemarketed, and they got me down to the station and the rest was history. So I spent five years in the in the Marine Corps, and I got a chance to see
the world started in twenty nine Paulm's California. I did basic electronics courts there and I went to a radar electronics course in out of Forts Hill, Oklahoma, which was a pretty crazy place, and met my wife while I was in Thank God. A crazy story about that, but you know, it kind of opened my eyes to you know what I feel like the military kind of praise on younger, uneducated type people, you know, listening to a lot of what's going on today, ah, and you know us away fighting
these fighting these wars or what you know. So once I got out of the Marine Corps, I wanted to find a well, let me talk about why I was in. So I was actually September eleventh, that's a good story. So I was actually in Okaawa, Japan, just getting off Barrett's duty when the twin towers fell, So everyone remembers where they were at that
time in their life. Sure, I was, you know, in the Marine Corps during the time at peace, and at that moment, everybody knew, Okay, it's about to get serious and things are going to happen. So a year later I rotated back to Less than a year later, I rotated back to North Carolina Campus un and and that's where I spent the last
three years of my time in the Marines. But in two thousand and one, I was part of that initial wave ask forced harrow what they called it, going to wage war on Iraq or weapons of mass destruction that they never found. So luckily I didn't you know, I didn't lose anybody that I was close to in my unit. You know, we were, like I told you before, I was in the rear with the gear sort of speak,
fixing things, you know, as a repair technician. Got al the Marines, went into automotive industry, went to school for that for two years, and then fixed cars for ten years. So technically, you know, electronics, diagnostics, technical stuff is a big part of my background, sure, which has helped me kind of get to the truth kind where I'm going with this, And I guess the first kind of a weakening that I had was I was actually on vacation back in twenty seventeen, back when YouTube wasn't
so filtered with the algorithms I guess, right. I came across some of the some of the flatter videos that were on at the time, and I watched him for like hours, and I couldn't believe it, and I was convinced. And then I brought it to my wife and my mother in law at the time, and they shot me down. It made me feel stupid, and I kinda kind of put it, you know, you don't want to accept that truth. I mean, it's such a huge lot sure, and so so I kind of put that in the back of my mind.
It kept on truck and until the pandemic, and you know, that's when I really started seeing that there's another narrative, that that the government isn't what we all think it is, and that they're actually trying to injure people, you know, And that was kind of the first rabbit hole I let down to, which was vaccines, which led me to child vaccines and how when you and I were kids, you know, they might have had three or
four and today there's about fifty vaccines they put in these kids. It's insane, really sad, really sad. So side note, I told my wife and my kids, no one gets any more vaccines. All talking to dad, you know. But so yeah, that so that was kind of like my first my first rabbit hole. And I and I always kind of questioned, you know, like for instance, when I drew, when I flew to Japan, I think we stopped in Maui. If you look at the if you look at the Google Earth, that's way out of the way.
But if you look at the Flat Earth map, which I ordered one, you know, it makes more sense one hundred percent. And that's one of the things in retrospect that I kicked myself for. We flew all the time. Anytime we deployed, it seemed we would always go from our home base, whether it was Hood or Fort Carson in Colorado, we'd always stop in bangor Maine, and then we would go to Germany or No. There was one Shannon, Ireland, I think is the little airport for the military there.
And on the map where you know, they always show the map where you're flying, and it looked like that. You're going up around New Finland and I'm like, why are we doing this? Why aren't we going straight across? And then again years later you look at a flat Earth map and you're like, that's exactly we were going straight across. It's just the deceit is really and again when you take the time to look how much time and
effort that they put into the deceit, it's really mesmerizing. And it goes back to again in twenty seventeen, which, by the way, did it just did the flattereth videos just randomly show up in your search engines or were you actively searching for it? I believe what happened was I was going down the path as something with NASA or space and it must have got you onto those videos. Yeah, that was certainly not happened today. No, it was riveting, Yeah, riveting. Yeah. They're doing a very good job
of trying to block all that information from us. Yeah, and it's very deceitful. You go to Google, you put in flatter Earth, You're going to get everything that you know disproves it. You go to YouTube, you put it in flatter Earth, you get the professor. Yeah, Dave videos. So it's yeah, go heads into this one talking about that. I actually wanted to have the exact words for Warner von Braun's who I's telling with
the Palms nineteen one. Huh, you can do this right now if you go to Google and you go to Google Search and you type in psalms. I'm not sure if I'm pronounce that correctly nineteen one. It brings up a quote a Bible verse that says, the heavens declare the glory of God, the disgui guys proclaimed the word of his hands. I'm like, what does sound right? I'm like, that can't be right. And I'm looking at
that. There's even images that they needs for like streen savers on your desktop, you know, yeah, and I'm looking at it, yeah, right now. And the first result they give you was from mitt of all places. Is that's what the first search they give in is exactly what you said, the sum of David. The evans declared the glory of God, the skies proclaimed the work of his hands. And then to the right there's two
images that say exactly that sky not firmament. So again intentional to see right right, you know, right right there and That's another thing I've really learned from listening to your podcasts, which I'll get to how I stumbled upon them, but is that if you want to see the truth in plain sight, just whatever the narrative is they're trying to feed you on TV, it's the
opposite whatever you search online. If it's not coming up, or it's bad, or it's you know, it's it's the opposite, or it's you know, you got to look into it deeper. That's interesting. You had an opportunity to go to Huntsville because that's a place I'd kind of like to go to because a lot of people don't know that there's concert halls, car shows, Wonter von Bronze, The Huntsville Civic Center is called the wontervon Brown Civic
Center. And again here's a guy who in nineteen forty five was considered the mortal enemy, and then all of a sudden he shows up and he's the head of NASA. So there is so much sketchy history that goes into our country, you know. And one one, did Germany really lose World War Two? Or was it kind of a backdoor agreement where they sent Hitler? Hitler to Argentina, and everybody just said, all right, we're going to just merge all these parts together. You're going to Rushia, you come to
America. Because it's just the official story doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. No, I'm sure that's exactly what happened. So another thing is, you know, my wife and I we travel to Florida a lot with the kids. We go to Disney. That's all another rabbit hole. But we've been to the Kennedy Space Center two or three times and we're actually going back again still, and it's going to be great to have a different point of
view. But I've always looked at these gigantic you know, the Saturn five, all the different rockets, and what kind of bothered me about it was it just looks so simple and basic and lame, like just a bunch of you know, large hubs that are painted. And I'm like, this really went to the moon. You know, this is what's going through my mind a long time ago, before I've started to realize the truth and plain sight that we don't go to the moon. You can't go to the moon.
But you know, but now going back, knowing what I know, now it's going to be great. They have a different perspective. But I got to witness, so back to Kennedy Space Center. I got to witness a rocket launch a few years back, a live rocket launch, so of course we were pretty far away from it. Actually two of them, I'm sorry, in a recent one last year. Both of them were pretty far away. The first one, I was probably a couple of miles away, so
very close compared to the last one. But you immediately see that the rocket curves once it leaves the launch pad, and then it drastically curves, you know, And I always didn't sit right with me, you know, going back back back in the day. Now I understand what they're doing. They're they're flying these rockets into the red triangle? Is that the sure that that's that's what's happening. And then I don't know if you caught on the news
recently, they had what was it, uh SpaceX. I think they watched a rocket and they show it hitting the furnam it and you can see it with like making blue waves. Yep. Have you see those images? Yeah? I sure, yep. Isn't that incredible? It is? It's it's right in front of our eyes, right and then the whole spy balloon thing.
We had one guest who that changed his whole perspective and thought, I was very shocked that so many saw that balloon and just immediately took the you know what the media was feeding them that it was a China spire balloon at a little yeah, because listen to all the governments at the top of the food chain, and they're all they're all part of the club. So in order to save face, which it was probably just one of our sadalloons or somebody satlloon, it just crashed. So they came up with a story,
you know, China bead and they mocked us. The whole thing was just a big mockery. It did a good job. I mean it waited it fool most Oh yeah, one hundred percent. But you know, just talking about life experiences and being all over the world, you know, I got a chance to go to Maui like three times. Once was my honeymoon my wife, and then we went back a couple of times with the kids, and what a beautiful place. Maui was one of my favorite places to vacation.
The people are just so kind. You don't feel like you're gonna get robbed if you get out of camp. Just a beautiful place, and that that event, what happened to Maui with the fires was one of the other events that truly opened my eyes to the corruption and just what they'll do. I put a comment I think on Twitter or it was Instagram, one of the two. Someone was asking why would they do this? And it's pretty much boils down to when you're when you're sitting on a piece of land that
the government wants, they're going to get it. Yep, the same with East Palestine. I followed that from the day it started. I called and I was able to talk to a lady who owned a store, and she talked to me for a few minutes, and then I went back and looked because I think that happened in February. And then I went back to property
and did some property search, and everybody was selling their house. So basically they had that incident, and then all the big banks were buying the houses for pennies on the dollar because the people couldn't sell, nobody wanted to buy, so it's a huge property grab. It's all part of their you know, pushing people out of the rural areas into these fifteen minute cities, which is something they want to have done by twenty thirty. And the same with
Maui. It was a property grab. Yeah. So sad, such a unbelievable travesty what they're doing, and the fact that they keep getting away with it. Yeah. So just to move into kind of like my awakening story, because I mean I really didn't come upon this and just understand how big it is until very recently, I would say within the last nine months, I started using Instagram and Twitter, so I got to I gotta just give a shout out, I guess to the those platforms for allowing people everyday,
people to post, you know, short clips of a truth. You know. Of course there's a lot of it that's not and there's a lot of it that's twisted, sure, but that's I feel like one of the few avenues where you can get glimpses of amazing things like Tartaria, you know, a million different things, and nine to eleven was one. I jumped into that nine to eleven situation and put our I mean it stopped for me for like several days. I mean all day I was I couldn't believe it.
The more I read, and the more you know, you get into. You know, it's like I did one of your episodes. You talked about typing in bird plane strike, and I urge anybody listening to this podcast if you haven't done that yet, you got to type in bird plane strike and just see what a bird does to a seven seventy seven or you know, any of these big planes just tears them open my catunic camp and you know, incredible that I was able to. You know, that was a huge
opener for me. Was okay, so our own government toppled those buildings, and then of course, you know, to bring in the Patriot Act, like you know, they already had it waiting in the wings. But so you know, after those platforms kind of take your interests. Like for me,
it's a lot of technology. Of course, before I was interested in space and technical things, and it started feeding me some of the flat Earth stuff, and of course, like anybody, I didn't want to believe it and I wasn't really buying it. But then I got into the Tartaria and there was some stuff that just made sense. You know what it was.
It was the experiments, the guys that went out there and put lasers on a flat plane yep, and went out four or five seven miles and you know, you could see that there was no curve like it was those experiments that all of a sudden I went from Okay, this is focus to this might be something real. And then of course was it the P nine nine thousand or whatever that camera is? Yeah, the P nine hundred yet nine. Yeah, everyone posted those pictures and those tests like this is this is
real deal? And then I got sick and tired of Instagram and Twitter and I was like, I need to find a resource that's going to have more information than these short little clips. You know, some people get burned out from those apps. And that's where I stumbled upon the podcast, and of course, like everybody, I typed in the Flat Earth and was able to
find your podcast. And what's so incredible about what you have is that you have given a platform for everyday people like myself all the way up to people that are you know, like like the guy you just had, was it Chris right? Yeah? Yep? You know, guys that have dedicated their life to this cause. Given everybody a place to jump on and talk about what they found, their experiences, their their you know, views on everything.
And what's really cool is when you bring in the experts or people that you know, I've done a lot of these tests, or the people that are very verse in the Bible and you know, be coding some of the scriptures. What an incredible thing you know that you've done. And it's now changed me in two ways that I want to talk about. One, I'm bringing this full circle back to God and that I always I didn't. I wouldn't say I didn't believe, but I wasn't a true believer in the sense
that now I want to read the Bible. Now, I for the first time in my life I prayed, you know, which is you actually get on your knees and say a prayer to God. It's the first time it's ever I've ever got it in my life within this past week. So I feel like that is huge for me in my life and in this flat earth. And once you realize that, you know, we're not we're not spinning at one thousand miles per hour, sixty six thousand miles per hour travel around
the Sun and then screaming through the Milky Way galaxy. I had five hundred and fifteen thousand miles per hour. We're actually on a flat plane that was created for us, and that we're special and that we have a purpose, and then we're here for a reason. I mean that is life changing. Nope, And so I have I have tried to speak to everybody I know, they're they're close to me. I would say people that i've you know, my wife, friends, my mom, and so far I haven't.
I haven't gotten one person to come back to me and say, Wow, I can't believe this is really going on. I'm waiting. I still have a few I haven't heard from. I've given them breadcrumbs, like you say, you know, I like our other listener who messaged me. He said he's tired of leaving breadcrumbs. He's just going to start slamming toast one people. That's that's good. That's good. So you haven't had any luck so far with the conversion converting flatter of folks to flattering. No, they haven't.
And the one that really bothers me is my mom, right because Mom and I don't have that gread of a relationship. You know, she dedicated a lot of her work, her life to her art. When when I was a young child, so I think it part of her feels some kind of way about it, although I've forgiven her and I want her to be closer to me. But you know, she lives in Arizona. I live in Massachusetts, and she doesn't get a chance to see me and the kids very often. But it means the world to me that I pull her out
of the matrix. Understand, you understand sure, And I I've given her boy. I probably probably a one hundred text messages or more everything from you know, websites that I found, like the flat Earth science Inbible dot WordPress dot com. I originally felt that this was going to be a beautiful thing because my mother. One thing I didn't I didn't mention to you in the in the audience or the viewers, is my mom, all of a sudden, maybe twenty years ago, as a as a forty year old person,
found God. She's a Greek Orthodox Christian, I guess. And she works in a library now. And her story is she had a page light up in a Bible, you know, and it drew her in so much that she read the page and it changed her whole life. And you know, she is she's painted the entire church I'm talking years worth of work, wild free. She's painted every ench of this, of this church, ceilings and all. She dedicate it's so much of real life to the church. And
I figured, this is this is beautiful, this is great. She's gonna, you know, because there is so much in the scripture is about the flat plane and you know, the flat earth created by by God. And
so right off the bat, she what did she do? She went to the Flatters Society on her computer, saw the pancake and put it down and said, this is ridiculous, my son, you know, this is you know, and was distraught at me and almost like belittering me, almost as to the point of like, how could I be so dumb and gullible? And and at this point in my life, yeah, I'm not that. That's not what I'm not. That's not where I am, you know. So I I had to explain to her that, you know, you've had
sixty seven years of indoctrination. This is going to be hard, but you have to review this information I'm showing you, you know. So that's where I'm mad. I've sent her the documentaries like Level and I've sent her, you know, my latest thing now is every day. I'm taking one of the one hundred groups. The Earth is not a globe. Nice, that's a good idea, And I'm texting her, so I'm on day three on that. That's awesome. Just one nugget a day, one nugget a day,
that's that's awesome. That's a great idea. And yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry, Well, I was just gonna say that, you know, the older generation people, let's just say maybe sixties seventies, a couple of things. One, they've had so much doctrination since they were little. But secondly, a lot of them aren't as good with computers as you and I might be, or some of the younger you know,
millennials and people there in their thirties now and twenties. I mean these a lot of these people can you know, fly through websites and and are able to search his sift and you know, so you know, when she goes to he or Google machine types in the flat Earth and gets to the you know, the top, how many results are you know, misinformation or a scio to get you to somewhere else. And that's what's happening, I think to some of the older folks that try to do some digging is it's extremely
hard for them. Yeah, and I think you make a really good point about technology as well. We were actually at a restaurant a couple of weeks ago. They didn't have any physical menus. You had to scan a QR code and pull up their their menu, and there was a couple a couple of tables down and they were pissed off. You know, the guys, what am I to get to like his jitterbug and he didn't know what was
going on. So it was very frustrated by the entire thing. And also this is the second time that that we've brought this up with with Google. When you when you go to Google and put in just flat Earth, you get there's even I think that this is the fourth selection. There's actually an article from the National Institutes of Health that appear feels to people and how detrimental conspiracy theories can beater their health and can't make this stuff up. Oh,
they're digging, They're digging deep. So part of that says to me, uh, do they are They starting to see a little bit of a awakening and they're trying harder and fighting harder to push against us. I think so, I think so. I'd like I mentioned to you the first two times I tried to reach out to you or on Yahoo email, which I've used since I was kid, and I don't and you didn't get those messages. I tried reaching out to one of your viewers who was a prior service marine.
I sent him a direct email, uh from you know, you left it in that description of the show, and I don't think he's getting my emails. So but but you know, you you bring me to my next point, which is I feel strongly that everyone listening to this podcast who is on the same page as we are, has to spread the word. And you know, we I've heard you talk about many times about what's the next
step. You know, we all get together and do what you know, go to maybe some land that they're hiding from us, or you know, we stop paying our taxes, we stop you know, whatever the next step is, we can't do until everybody, not everybody, but the majority has been pulled from the matrix and has been able to research some of these things. So I implore, you know, anybody on this was hearing this message
to please we spread the word and don't be discouraged. No, if you've got to take a slap them with a piece of toast, it's as you got it to. Yeah again, and you have to. You could even bring like overwhelming evidence. But at the end of the day, really, when we've said this before, it's up to the person whether or not they're willing to receive that information or not, because my goodness, you know again they're people who are completely on board. It was very obvious the moon landing
was fake. But again the older folks will say, oh it was even if they believe it was fake, that you know it was the Russians. We had to beat them. It was about the Cold War and it really wasn't. Again, all this was about hiding God and the people who tried to expose NASA, whether it was Gus Grissom or the other guy who I forgot his name. I just played audio last night. The guy who did the report on the Apollo one was it and they ended up killing him his
entire family and then left his car on the train tracks. So they understand how big it is that the most regular folks out there. Again, if you blink, you can talk about JFK all day. You can talk about the moon landing. But if you go parallel from the moonlanding to flat Earth, you're immediately dismissed and that person may never talk to you again for quite
some time. Yeah, yeah, I am. I have a lot of these conversations with my wife, you know who, like, you see what they did with the pandemic, right, yes, exactly, so you understand that that could have happened. Of course she hasn't taken the time to dig into nine to eleven. I told her you saw what happened with Mauley, right, so is it too far of a stretch that they fake the moon landing? And then she keeps asking me, which is the big question that
comes up is why the lie? Which you know, brilliant by the way, for that to be your first podcast, because that's what everybody says, you know, why the lie? Sure, and and it's why the lie. It's it's such a huge that's such a huge question that you can frame up in so many different ways. But I believe you know, the two big reasons are to keep people away from from God and to allow for all these world you know, global type agendas and policies. Right, So without
the globe, you don't have global warming without the globe. There is no global agenda. Without the globe, you can't have you know, global like ID cards and worry about carbon footprint and this, you know, New World order. All that stuff goes in the trash, you know, And that's that's what they're big focuses. That's what they want, yeap. And and the other reason for the lie, ill I told my wife too, is
you know, you do the math on this. I keep getting different numbers, from seventy million a data down to fifty eight million a day, doesn't matter, but that's what NASA gets every day to do. Some run that from nineteen sixty nine the current day, and I believe it's one point three trillion proximate dollars. That, as you've stated, is a money laundering scheme. They can do whatever they want with fund wars, black ops, all
these different things. Why in everybody's pockets, And it's really sad. That's why the lie. You know, yep, one hundred percent and you hit a couple of nails on the head. And what some people don't even realize is there's actually a direct connection between NASA and Cornell University. So are you aware who the Kelly brothers are. They're both astronauts. One guy was married to Gabby Giffords, the girl, the lady who got shot in the head. She was a Democrat. She got shot in the head at a grocery
store. And do you remember all that you No, I haven't gone down that one yet. Okay, So there's two astronauts. One's Mark Kelly and then he has a brother, like all astronauts have twins, right, going back to the Challenger, six of the seven astronauts except for the teacher who had only been a teacher for a year, and she's the one who got selected. Yes, so that these are twins. And NASA gives a lot of money to universities and their science labs that work on mRNA and these type
of experiments. Just last year they gave Cornell University Mason Labs. Everybody can go check Mason Labs. I think it's dot netter dot com. And they do all that kind of work with COVID and this gene therapy and manipulation. And so the one guy, he wrote an article in a book called how
to Survive the Next five hundred Years. And this is one of the top guys at Cornell, which is an Ivy League school, and he's talking about how he is like doing experiments on the Kelly brothers, like the one who was on the ISS for all this time and the other who wasn't in house. Space affects people's DNA, So they kind of put that story out there so NASA can feed them money. But what they're really doing is this Agenda
twenty thirty stuff, this gene therapy. And I believe like if you have if you're at the top of the food chain, you're a Rockefeller, you're a roth child, and you have all the money and all the power, what is it that you really want? You really want like eternal life, right, And I really that's what these people at these top universities are really working on. And just last year NASA gave that laboratory fifteen million dollars. Of course they said it was under the guise of, you know, doing
experiments on the twin astronauts to see how their DNA was effective. But it's the same lab that's doing all this other work. Wow. Wow, that's incredible. So again it is a funnel for really more ulterior motives. Right, it's a great what a great thing right with the ball outer space getting that money every day, and then you donate it to colleges and universities.
Again, who's going to question a four hundred dollars bolt, right, because somebody will pick up the phone and tell that little account and geek and again sorry if you're an account. I'm just saying, like, you want to be responsible for the death of our astronauts. We need that. What's he going to say, He's not gonna question that. Yeah, it's unreal walking through some of these aerospace companies and seeing you know, all this stuff that's
going on. It's hosting the taxpayer so much money. All can be done only with compartmentalization. That's what keeps everybody in the dark. Sure, it's such a great scheme. I did controllers that you want to call them that. Yeah, but by the way, well we were both in the military, so we understand how that works. The compartmentalization. Everybody has, as we say, their lane, right, there's your respective lane. That's what
you're responsible for. Only very, very very few people actually know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm looking from the staff working paper from March nineteen eighty six, and it's the budget effects of the Challenger accident. Remember, NASA got a check for two point four billion dollars after that accident to replace the Space Shuttle. So that tells you why they did that. Yep, yep, blew up a rocket and then got two point four billion dollars a
few weeks later. Yeah, just anybody has in Google the Challenger incident and looked at all the crew that's still alive today. You got to see it, yeah, and if yeah, just talking about the whole moon landing and looking at those photos, it's uh, the little sparklers that they had when
when the lander took off from the moon. Supplisively, what's brutal? What a lamee fricking video when you actually look at it today with your you know, objective eyes, you know, looking at all the dust supposedly it's supposed to be on the ground, it doesn't come up nothing. Wow, you know we were goble. Yeah, we wear nazarea in Iraq and that was literally walking on a towel compowder. We called it moon dust because you literally after an hour you were covered head to toe. It was it was awful,
was like walking in towel compowder. And that's supposedly what the moon surface is supposed to be like, and that thing takes off just nothing. Uh, and it's supposed to have all that for us, there's nothing. What a joke. Yeah. And then in that you know the guy who stayed behind to capture that footage. What happened to that guy? Benjamin Owen.
Benjamin did a funny bit on that guy, the fourth Asternaut he calls it, and need he had an episode where it was like remembering whatever the guy's name was, the fourth ast or not who had to stay behind on the Moon. It was pretty funny. Actually, I have to check that out. So the next thing I want to bring up is just some some of the strange coincidences that I feel like are are worth mentioning that everybody kind of
looks past. And it was funny. I had one of your podcasts on the other day talking about how you know the moon and the Sun are the same size, but yet one is ninety three million miles away and the other one is supposedly two hundred and eight thousand or something approximately miles away, And was explaining that to one of my kids, and I just I used to table top as an example and put one object at the far end, and you know, showed here's Earth, here's the Moon, here's the Sun.
Does that make sense to you? You know? But that one, it's kind of obvious. And then how the Moon orbits Earth at the same speed as its rotation so we only see the exact same image with the same craters at the time. Right, Explain that one? How was that possible? But one that really did it for me big time because I went out to view It was actually a special It was a college program about taking viewers. It was actually veterans and putting them out into the night sky. It's kind
of an exercise for a college class that somebody was doinging. And there was an individual who was very versed in the constellations and you know, showed me the moons of Saturn and or the rings of Saturn. I think it was the moons of Jupiter, is what it was. But what I wanted to say is that the stars you look up at the North Star, how they all o tate? Is it clockwise or counterclockwise? I believe it's cl likewise blockwise. But if we were on a ball, you know, spinning these
intense speeds going through the vast expansions of space. How can we have the same exact star pattern night after night, year after year, decade after decade, century after century. You know when you bring us up to people and they just shrug their shoulders. But how could that be? No, no new stars ever, You're ever expanding universe, expanding at the speed of light, they say, is why we can't see it? Right? Right? And by the way, I do think it's for the northern hemisphere. I
believe it's counterclockwise. Southern hemisphere. It's clockwise if I remember correctly. At least that's the story. Right. Another crazy thing that you know nobody talks about is how you can't go to Antarctica. You know how convenient is that? Right? Except for Rothschild Island or Deception Island. And if that's kind a slap in the face, I don't know what. It's nothing to see here. Nothing. It's funny too when you mentioned, you know, looking
at the every time I watch a movie or a show. Now, have you seen the leave of the world behind the new Netflix? So I just literally, uh saw it two nights ago, and I did a short podcast last night. I think it's episode like one twenty five and one of the callers mentioned it and I kind of talked a little bit about it as a movie, like it's a bad movie, but there is so much signs and symbology in that movie, everything from the black and white checkered floors to the
NASA shirt to the Obey shirt, on and on and on. It's a lot in that. I think the opening scene there's a any clips like a ready clips yep, yep, unreal. Yeah, it's good to watch. Like Contagion, there's so much signs and symbolism in that as well. But yeah, that that's an Obama Productions movie, which, by the way, that is that yeah, and their production studio. Go check out that logo that that that's weird as well. It's it's almost like an Illuminati sign.
No way, Yeah, it's like a stairway up. You have to check it out. I forget the name of their company. Yeah, I'll definitely have to look into that. But uh. One of the last thing I'd like to bring up and kind of what really did it for me is the aviation industry and also being being involved in it and just saying, how you know, dollars and cents is what runs the world, our economy, the
price of jet fuel. You know, the these these jets are going to go straight line from point A to point B and are not going to be deba hunters or not thousands of miles for any reason. And you know, there's some great work that's been done by so many on these flight paths. But you know that's something that if you haven't looked into what is it one hundred emergency landings, yes, well, sixteen emergency landings that prove flat Earth.
Yeah, yes, okay it with sixteen emergency landings. There are some great videos of guys that put together just showing how when you look at the Galatians map, how they're perfectly the stops are perfectly in line. Yep, you and there's there's just there's just no way. And and the fact that of all the aviation manuals that black and white state that the Earth is a non rotating stationary plane also, it's pretty shocking. And one thing that kind
of I guess Sean Hibbler had mentioned on your your podcasts. He was saying that because they have that in black and white, then NASA has that in their training manuals are black and white, that that somehow negates them from leally if they ever somebody ever calls them to the matt. What's your thoughts on that, George, Well, listen, most of these people, whether in DC or in the top of the food chains, they're all lawyers, so
they know how to create loopholes. On my other podcasts, I always talk about the nonprofit organizations worth billions literally, some of them tens of billions of dollars, and they don't pay taxes on them, and they have people making five, six seven million dollars a year off their nonprofit organizations. So again, I think all of these organizations have loopholes. You look at the City of London, which is this one square mile area where they have their own
mayor. And this isn't London like London Bridge and all that. This is the City of London in London that has its own rule on regulations. And I believe DC as that, and some of the entities like NASA, they have all of these little things. So just in case, you know, the masses did wake up and get together and actually put down our bread and circus for a few minutes, that they would say, well, we'll see here right here, it says right that they're a little get out of jail
free card, which you know you ever got to that. I don't think that would save them, but who knows? Right question for you? How how can you explain or what are your thoughts on meteor? Would they say last night on the news they said there was going to be meteor shower? What are your thoughts on that? I'm pulling it up real quick to see what it says. And that's interesting. I've mentioned it before. Any given day, you can put in like you can put in meteor, you could
put in asteroid, and there's always a constant story. Yeah, you're right, geminids meteor show shower will peak this week. Here's how to see it. And again that's interesting to see. Let me see what are the pig times? One hundred and twenty shooting stars per hour? And it's interesting where do they get these numbers from? So this is something that I really want to follow up with because these are one of those questions that you can find
on Dave's app and any any kind of ponders what they are. But this is also one of those things well I say again, oh was at Dave Weiss's app. Yeah, on Dave Weiss's app he questions or you know, you hit the question mark and there's a bunch of different subjects and they have meteors and they have stars. But to me, you know, I just had a guest on the other day he thinks stars are angels. And I just got a bunch of follow up emails that people that said, yeah,
listen to Kem's episode, and I agree with him. I think it's one of those things that I'm not sure we're ever going to know what these things are. Some people believe the firmament is a solid you know, sheath like Rocky I think they call it. And some people say I had his person send me a long email tomorrow, very yesterday tomorrow finally had that ability. No, he sent me a long email yesterday saying that God has the ability.
There's no sheet, it's all water. And that's interesting because when you think about it, I've had hundreds of people send me pictures and videos of the stars and the planets and they look like they're in water. They're shimmering, like they're yeah, like they're in water. So what exactly are they? I mean, man, you can ponder on these things all day long. But what certainly what man says they are, they definitely are not. And this is one of those things according to this But what does it say
the Geminid meteor shower has been lighting up the night skies. But and here's the thing. They say this is due to an at This is the official from NPR, which is you know, Marxist radio. It says this is due to an asteroid called Faithyon, which circles the Sun very tightly, comes as close as thirteen million miles to the Sun and it gets to thirteen hundred degrees on its surface. So again, where do they get these numbers from? How do they come up with this stuff? Yeah, your guests as
good as mine. So any answer that they're going to give has to support the globe theory for sure. Is it something from God? I mean obviously he controls everything, so it is. But you know, from a scientific point of view, is it is it pieces? Is it something from the firmament? You know that those are things that we think about really hard,
but well we really ever know the answer. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean I've never seen I mean I think maybe you've caught a shooting star, but I don't know, no, my my thoughts are there. They are just their lights and they're and they're definitely in water for sure, which you know you can see plainly looking through a telescope. And but I think you're right. I think that we're not meant to know everything, yep,
And I think you know, as mankind, we're curious. But but to think that we can have an answer for every single thing is just that that that's not true. What a game changer if everybody knew that they were in, you know, in a firmament and that you can't and that we're not going anywhere, you know what A mean? For some it's it's a relief, right, I mean, you don't have to we don't have to worry about alien invasions or a rogue, a rogue asteroid coming in to destroy
the planet. Right. And that's also could be life saving because when they try to pull Project Blue Beam and this fake alien invasion, we're going to be the ones sitting back drinking lemonade. Say yeah, go ahead and enjoy your little alien invasion. Guys, go freaking like world, the world's you know, that's going to happen. That's going to be the next thing Oh yeah, it's coming sad but true. So for somebody like me, who is, like I said, kind of just finding God for the first time
in my life, would you recommend King James version of the Bible? Because I do want to read. I do, and I back in the day, I was more of an NIV guy. But then I had a long talk with a friend and I remembered, you know, every time something gets translated, something gets lost in theory. And you made a great point towards the beginning of the podcast with the NIV version that says the Skies proclaimed the
work of his hands. It doesn't say anything about the firmament. So again, if you want to get as close now, obviously, if you wanted the exact translation, you'd have to go back to the I think it's the sixteen eleven version. But I think you'll be fine with just a regular King James version, because again, look how deceitful, whether intentional or not, that Psalm's nineteen one is, and how people can gloss over it and miss the true meaning. Right, And that's what you worry about, is people
translating it with an agenda. And it's just so sad that we are to find maps or you know, versions of the Bible that are sure they're true. Yeah, And obviously having a King James version is obvious because people can't read Hebrew. But I think some of these other versions, and again I'm not trying to take a shot at anybody, but I just think, you know, if you look at the education, the level of education from people from say the nineteenth century to today, you look at how people write,
how people talk. I forget which college it was, but they gave a test from eighteen eighty five and like ninety percent of the students failed it. So I just think it's important. Like some people don't like the thowls and dies and things like that, but I mean that's the little translation. So I think it's just then that's just me. I'm not If people choose other versions, that's their prerogative, right, But for me, I used the
King James version. Yeah, very very cool stuff. You know. One thing that bothers me a little bit is how unwilling a why of the churches are it seems to you know, read scripture, read the Bible for what it is, and how they can read right over Yeah, all the verses they talk about, you know, the God's God's handy work and the flat plane and form in all these things, and they just don't ever put any
thought into it, I guess. So it is kind of upsetting that I feel like if I went down to my local church that they wouldn't they wouldn't be hip to that. And then you know, it would be nice to be able to find a church that was on board with our views, you know. Yeah, I guess that's the band need to research on my own. Yeah, it's like, you know, Pastor Otels down in Alabama, and there's a few others, but most of them, you know, I
just follow on YouTube. You know, it's interesting that you mentioned that because I was telling my friend that we spend one or two hours in church, you know, talking about the children and are in doctrination. Growing up, we spent if you count Sunday school in church, you spent maybe two hours a week in church, but then you spent thirty five hours in school. So the again, the program of the school outweighed the programming of the church
eighteen to one. Wow. Yeah, and that's one of the reasons. And you know, it's really cool. I've gotten so many people over the last year say that they decided to homeschool their their child because that's something you can control. You know, my child gets well, she'll be fourteen next week, but she gets Bible every single day. That's part of her curriculum, so not just Sundays. Yeah, that's amazing. And I think as more and more people wake up, they're going to start to realize that home
schooling is going to be smarter option. And that's something that I'm torn with every day now, is that I know my kids are going to school to learn about you know, Christopher Columbus and while these fosse narratives and planets and what a waste, you know. So I commend you for for taking that burden and home schooling and pushing the word on that. I mean, that's that's a tough thing, you know, because where you get your curriculum now,
and I know some states make it harder than others. Yeah. Yeah, and a lot of people can't afford it too. That's the other thing, you know, one hundred percent the economy is most most family households, both the mother and the father have to work and the kids. You know, what a blessing if you have this situation where you can one of you guys can teach the kids, or have somebody that can come in and do that. You know, that's huge. Yeah, and two things. Number
one, it was interesting before you came on. At ten o'clock, I had a listener from Virginia ask if he could chat with me real quick. I sent him a link and he was losing in his mind because there's a guy running for a school board and I think it's Fairfax County, Virginia, and this guy is pushing for he calls it under the guise of censorship, but he is pushing for basically child pornography to be allowed to be in the
children's libraries. One book's called Gender Queer, one books called Flamer. And then you go to his website and of course they're he and his partner, and he has his pronouns in there, and you know, these guys. It's just to think that people like that are around children. That's just one of those things that kind of reaffirms my decision. And again it was I
was scared to death when I did that. That was a huge I didn't know anything about homeschooling, but in reflection, it was I'm really really thankful that I did do that. Yeah, I can imagine. Luckily, you know, you see some of these clips, like if you go on like Instagram or Twitter, and you know you see some of these crazy I feel like they show the you know, the most wild situations. But but luckily I can say, like where my kids go to school, that they don't
have books like that that I've that I've heard of. Yeah, for sure, And every one of these situations you hear, there's one hundred good schools, but again, these are the ones that they came in reading that to my kids. Oh yeah, down there at a heartbeat, you know. Yep. And by the way, I'll put that in the show notes because that should be These are the type of people that do need to be put
under the microscope. So if you live near Fairfax County and the guy's name is Carl Frisch, and I put the link in the show notes for you guys, so you guys can see what this guy's all about. Is not a good person. That's not the kind of person you want around your child. The other thing, I just remembered what I was going to say.
As far as homeschooling, I think we would have had more success back in the seventies, we've really had community where everybody knew each other on the street and like after school, we would all go to one person's house until mom came home, and like nobody wasn't worried. We didn't have cell phones. Mom wasn't stressing that you disappeared. But the times have really changed, and
I think they intentionally destroyed the community for that reason. What you know, most people don't even know their neighbor's name or the guy down the streets name. We've all become, you know, you know in our own little worlds, especially with the Internet that has really increased, you know, chatting on your phone, texting. It's taking away you know, the interpersonal relationships.
Yeah, it's so sad. And then they paint these narratives of racism and blackburst white and uh yeah, you know what's crazy is like just thinking about my growing up in Phoenix, Arizona, back in you know, the early eighties, we had we had kids of all races in colors in my school and on my street and we played together and there was the only races that we had were the ones that we ran or it didn't win. You know,
there was no racism. And it's funny is that only came about once people had their little mini computers in their pockets, when somebody could tell them, hey, we have this problem. Of course, you know, there's always going to be your one or two percent of situations that really happened. But for the most part, people are good people. People are want to
do the right thing. We want to be kind and that's one way I've always lived my life, you know, is just do the right thing and be kind to people, and it'll for most cases come back to you. But but you're right, we've we've a lot of places that have lost that sense of community and people know their neighbors and all they know is the fake media that's broadcasted to them all day. Yep. And they allowed themselves to
be put into a left right paradigm. Right three hundred and forty individual people, three hundred and forty million individual people, and you're either left or right. Right. They try to just pit us against each other, and that's sad. Yeah, one thing I did want to bring up that I'm glad
I remember now, going back to the whole vaccine thing. You know, luckily I saw through it mostly, but I fell for the I fell for the hype in the media and I was actually getting ready to lie to Orlando for my job and we have our annual tool show there and at the time, this was back in like twenty twenty when it was like a hot spot and they believe the lies. And I got partially vaccinated. It was the one where he had to get two shots, like two weeks apart, like
the Johnson and Johnson one. I believe that's the one. Yeah, So I got my first shot and then I never came back for the second one, which was supposed to be two weeks later. So I got partially vaccinated. But I regret that decision every day, you know, to this day, and thank god I didn't, you know, I'm back and get boosters and kept going. I mean, there's some people that have four or five
shots, and I'm really concerned about those in about the future. Have you do you know of any and then maybe some we could talk about offline, but you know, natural remedies for flushing that stuff out of your body. Yeah, no, I did hear that some of them were like sey Leen, you know, and some batches were lethal. So there's no knowing what I got exactly. You could have got a placebo, which was, like you said, just sey Leen, I know, doctor tenpenny. I just
said, somebody a bunch of links. I'll send them to you after we're done, and then I'll put them in the show notes. And again, folks, I'm not a doctor, but there's a few links that would just knowledge and information. And I know there are cleansing kind of things out there if you're interested. But again, folks, do your own research. But again they're they're natural resources that are supposed to help flush out a lot of that mess. But hopefully, again, you just got, like saline,
a placebo. But this stuff is still happening. There was the What Journal. He was a journalist for some kind of left wing radio or newspaper, and back in twenty twenty he was calling and twenty twenty one he was calling for the arrest of people who wouldn't get the vaccine, you know, really crazy talk. He died two days ago at the age of of course, thirty three, and then yeah, yeah, you just died. He was the one that was openly criticizing people who wouldn't get vaccines, put them in
education camps and force vaccinations. National guards and then that Hispanic singer that was hard to watch two nights ago singing on stage and just froze collapsed and died right on stage two nights ago. Yeah, it was just two nights ago. And then you see all the time these young people they're trying to normalize. Yeah, young people dying. There's a commercial from Canada the CBC put out like kids riding their bike and they'd stop and put their hand on their
heart. They're normalizing this stuff, and that's just evil. That's sick, isn't it. Yeah. They always had SIDS, right, Sudden infant death syndrome. Yep. And then I believe now they're trying to bring in SADS. Yes, sudden adult that's the normal. Yeah. How sick of is that? People? That's not right, that's not normal. You know, twenty thirty forty year old healthy people don't collapse from mild caarditis or heart attacks or whatever it is. Yep. The guest I just had on a few
episodes ago, was it Colleen? But she had mentioned I wonder how many people are sitting in jail whose infants died from vaccine? Well, on, it's the sickest thing in the fact, that they haven't been held accountable. I mean, we can go down that whole rabbit hole forever. I was in the The VA's horrible. I don't know if you have a local VA, but I went in there recently. I was doing some work with disability. And this was by twenty twenty two, so this is like a year
ago. You're in. Also a year ago, so way past the you know, panic stage of the pandemic, kind of like really winding down where nobody's wearing masks anymore. The VA was pushing vaccines hard from the time you got in there to all, you know, any veteran and made you wear a mask. And I'm thinking to myself, it was so wrong. Why are you doing this to all the veterans? You know they the sorry go ahead. Oh he's say two. All the veterans they got let go.
Didn't they get discharged? It wouldn't get vaccinated ten thousand, ten thousand. And then just two weeks ago, I played on my other podcast, fifty thousand dollars bonus incentive and they're waiving the COVID jet. So a year ago, a year ago, they kick out ten thousand people for not taking the job. A year later, the numbers are so low that they give fifty thousand dollars signing bonuses and you don't have to have the job. What kind
of craziness that really sums up our world? Unlop our government for you. Yeah, I don't know what will and that's why I tell everybody read the second paragraph of the Constitution. It is the instructions on how to fix this. And when people say what do we do, probably read the second paragraph of the Declaration of I don't know if I said the Constitution, but it's the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. It's very clear. Yeah,
they knew what they were doing when they wrote that document. Yep. They knew that people were going to get power and just slowly continuously, you know, take more and more power. The federal government was supposed to play such a small role in our daily lives, out consumes us and you know, it takes a quarter of our money off the top like a bunch of gangsters.
It's crazy. On that subject. On the topic of military, you know you had mentioned earlier in the podcast how it does prey on younger people, people who can't afford college. So hey, we give you free college. But the other thing is, and this is something that has weighed heavy on my heart because the word patriot and patriotism, like some people think, well, you just have to support the government blindly to be a patriot, right, And then then well, if you were a Republican, you're a
patriot. If you're a Democrat, you're a patriot, right. That that patriotism mantra is also like after nine to eleven they got which they were behind them and some other folks. They were able to round up a lot of people that way as well. And I'm afraid that's what's coming prior to this coming election, and we're going to see another type of false flag. It's going to be very dramatic. The cameras will be there and you'll see a
lot of things that is going to tugget your heart strings. And you know that that's always been whether it's Pearl Harbor, it was Pearl Harbor and nine to eleven, the same stories. Like December eighth, nineteen forty one, the lines at the recruiting station were around the block. September twelfth, two thousand and one, the lines is the recruiting the same thing. What are your thoughts on that. Yeah, I mean, now I see it.
You know, you don't see it when you're in it. But you know, we came when I came back from Iraq in two thousand and three. You know, the event was only it was six month deployment, but it was fifteen days on a ship across the ocean, fifteen days in Kuwait, staged laying in the dust, fifteen days sitting waiting, and then finally we
got to go. It was fifteen days in about fifteen days in theater you want to call it that until Baghdash style and we were victorious quote unquote, big air quotes, and then fifteen days back on the ocean going home for me. But when we came home and we were in our humvies coming back back on base, I mean, the whole talent Jacksonville was out there and we were heroes, and the patriotism was so high. I mean, yes,
as they just exactly what they did. They they created this false scenario and created these bad guys that really weren't and brought a nation together over and over lives. Looking back on it now, and this brings me to where I think you were going, which it does question your patriotism and you know you're like your moral code, your ethics, I feel like and it comes down to like, I know you and I would defend our country from a
foreign invasion to the debt. And many of the people listening, but would we go to another country right now? We go back to Iraq and fite the iraqis for some you know, or whatever scenario they wanted to dream up. No, I don't think you would want. I don't think you would. I wouldn't sign up for that. I wouldn't put my kids in that. And I think people need to start thinking about that and bring you'll reel
it in. I couldn't agree more. And again, I've seen so many articles and some folks that I saw have a few friends left in the military, and they said that their numbers are in pretty dire straits that they see the monthly reports and the equipment side is they have issues with. The personnel side, they have issues with so again, in order for them to fix that once again, I'm afraid they're going to do some type of false flag
once again to try to stir up emotion. I think they were disappointed in how people have walked away from Ukraine because they see their fellow man hurting. I know, the homeless problem here in Dover is tenfold what it was when we first moved here just a few years ago, and we continue to send money away. We have to take care of oone before we take care of others. And then, you know, with the Israel thing, I think people are starting to wake up, like, you know, let's fix our
problems first and then we'll worry about everyone else. So I think that they have something planned for twenty twenty four. I don't know what it is. There are always a few steps in front of us, but we'll see what happens. Yeah. Yeah, I want to bring up because I think it's super important and I want to get your thoughts. Is that you know we are being invaded by these you know, millions of migrants fighting aged males. If everybody does some Google searching and you look, I mean it's on the
TV a lot of times too. But where are their families, Where the wives? Where are the kids? In most cases it's fighting age males. Where are they doing? What are they you know, what are they doing in our country? What's the So I think you're hundred percent right. I feel like there's going to be some sort of organized chaos from within our own country. It's to be staged whatever their plan is, but something big is
going to happen. So I think that people need to be prepared. I think people, you know, whatever, you know, get the beans, the bullets and the band aid's gone, and just have a backup plan in I mean, what are your thoughts. My thoughts are twofold, and it's going to go back to Desert Storm, and it's going to touch on something you mentioned. I remember coming home in nineteen ninety one and every tree from
the airport almost to my house there was yellow ribbons. That was the big thing, ty rebel yellow ribbon around the tree, you know, in honor of the serviceman. But I remember I was twenty one during Desert Storm, very young, and I remember thinking, you know, there's twenty five I remember thinking, there's twenty five million Iraqis and there's one Saddam Hussein because you
know, obviously we believe the story. Back then, you know, I didn't know that we funded him for eight years during the Iran Iraq War and all the other things that I would come to find out. But I always thought, why are we coming over here. If there's twenty five million people,
and if they're so oppressed, why don't they just fight back? And uh, and then now you see again, like you said, you have all these millions of people who are running away from their problems, as they say, instead of standing up where they're coming from and trying to make it better. And and you know, now we the country that was always going out to help other people who couldn't fix their own problems, as they told us, Now our particular situation is in dire straits. Yeah, and we
need to address our own country. Yeah. It's a mess, and uh, I don't know how we fix it at this point, to be honest with you, right, right, which which leads to some cataclysm big time. Yeah, but you hate to live in fear, and uh, you know, just got to take each day as it comes and stay close to family and do the right thing, I guess. Yeah, And that's that's
what we're trying to do. We're trying to be self reliant as possible, spending as much time as you know, we're not trying to take anything for granted as well, because you genuinely you don't know what tomorrow is going to bring that. You know, tomorrow you could wake up, there could be an economic collapse and our money could be as worthless as venezuelas. And just enjoy. I'm not saying each drink could be merry, for there's no tomorrow.
What I'm saying is just try to make the most of every minute, whether that's educating yourself on something that could be beneficial in case of a collapse, learning a trade that could be beneficial in case of a collapse, or you know, like you know yourself and myself and other people who have come closer to God because of flat earth, make sure you're fit physically and spiritually,
which we all could improve on both, I'm sure. Just things like that, And I always tell people be cognizant of what's going on, but don't spend your entire day like just stressing over the world. And because just control what you can control. Right, we can't control what's going on in DC. That's going to be its own monster. We just have to live our best life and do it honorably, respect our family and God. Very well said, very well said the truth will lead to Yeshua, which is
Hebrew for Jesus. Yep, Yes, he is the way, He is the truth, He is the life right. And that's what's powerful about this podcast and about this truth community is it's you know, we talk about so much. There's so many different avenues that you can go, but it all leads back to the truth and to God, which is which is a beautiful thing indeed us And we're actually down to our last few minutes. I didn't have a chance to ask you do you have any like silver bullets as far
as the flat earth goes? If you had thirty seconds in an elevator with someone and you wanted to drop a few nuggets, what are your go to uh, flat earth nuggets? Yeah, you know. One I would I would say is the how you know water always finds fits level. That's that's one big one for me. You know water does it stick to a spinning ball? Just how you can go up in a balloon to one hundred and ten thousand feet and the horizon is as flat as it can be. Horizon
its horizontal. I mean, I guess that's a that's a big silver bullet. Another one is the sun and the clouds. You know, you see our local sun often having light rays that are scattered in all angles, and if our sun was ninety three million miles away, it would be very harding, you know. At that's a pretty sober, big silver bullet. I
think that maybe honestly, that might be the most underrated silver bullet. That's yeah, that's all the other one too, of you know, think about this, if you do the math of night, a mile is like five thousand are needy feet yeah, fifty two eighty yeah, fifty eighty fifty two eighty times ninety three million, that's how many feet away the sun is. But yet you can go two thousand feet higher and get a burn when those two numbers side by side are like the point zero zero zero zero one percent
of a change in elevation. But yet you're gonna get burned. How does that make any sense? Right? So that that's another one that I think is kind of glaringly obvious for anybody that's been up in the mountains or been in to an elevation where you get burned. That's a big one. I guess leaving somebody with a message of hey, just google assa fatals or assa
bubbles or you know, watch the level documentary. That's a silver bullet, you know, what go watch, And I've done that several times of people that I care about there in my circle, Like I'll text them the the a link to the show for level and then, believe it or not, big silver bullet would be why the Lie? Episode one George Hobbes podcast.
Nice. That'd be a good one, good starting point because you know why the lie and you know that that doesn't just lend me, you know, apply to flat Earth, That that applies to nine to eleven, that the Federal Reserve and everything else. Really that that is the big question, is why the Lion. It's because of Saye's most powerful tool is deceit, because he can't create anything. He just takes the things that we have and perverts
them. And and again, flatter or excuse me, the ball Helio centrism is I believe, you know, certainly one of the top two greatest tools, one of the greatest things he's ever created to hide God. And again people argue that it's well, it's not a salvation issue. But I'm telling you out of the I've gotten thousands of emails over the last year, and I've gotten so many that had said that flat Earth had brought them back to God, So how is it not a salvation issue? How beautiful is that?
Yeah? Absolutely, that's the great thing about it. And they've done such incredible I mean, you got to give these people credit, these Masons, these these corrupt how they put together such a strong deception and they have done such a good job. Millions of people totally plugged into a matrix. I mean, it's truth in Hollywood, lies in the media, yeah,
hundred percent. But yeah, I mean, I just I just want to say in closing, you know, I'm super hard and uh and blessed to be able to come on your podcast and hopefully, you know, one person out there hearing my story where I come from in my forty two years on this planet, uh this flat planet plane, will will be inspired enough just to look into this a little further and maybe, uh start talking to their neighbor. Right. My family thinks I'm crazy right now, but I don't
care. I'm sticking to my convictions. We have to spread the word about this heliocentric lie and really help people out there that are stuck in the matrix. You know, just think about think about the legacy that you're going to leave behind. And you know, everybody that you can bring out of this it's web of lies, and you can bring to the flat Earth will eventually come to over to Jesus, to God, and uh, that's a that's
a beautiful thing, one hundred percent. Manly P. Hall said, when the human race learns to read the language of symbolism, a great veil will fall from the eyes of men. And I do believe that if we could get if we could wake enough people up, you would see, you know, just a great event happen, not just here but across the world, and you know, the lives of Satan would be exposed, and we could
you know, maybe turn things around. But again it's got it's an uphill battle because they have put so much time and effort, and as long as people sit in front of that box that programs your mind, it's going to be more of an uphill battle. Absolutely so. Man, it's been a it's been an honor and of privileged to speak with you. Like I told you, it's always good to catch up with a fellow veteran, and man, I wish you all the best. And again we'll have Rob's email address
in the show notes. It's Robbie zero eight two nine at yahoo dot com. Make sure you if you email Robbie after a day or two, you know' hear back. Maybe check your spam because I'm telling you this conversation, Like with me, a lot of times, big tech likes to mess around with people who were kind of messing with the truth. So though, the big tech will play games with you, so definitely check that out, Robbie.
Rob was there anything else you wanted to add before we closer? Just last thing, George is keep up, keep up the great work, your changing lives. You're you're doing an amazing thing. So I greatly appreciate everything, and thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk to the viewers. Absolutely, and again it was great to have you, and thank you all for your continued support. I'm not sure when this is today as we record,
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