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The flat earth Files at gmail dot com. So let's kick off today's episode again. Joining us is Cameron. Cameron, how are you doing today, sir good? How are you, George Good? It's great to meet you. We had a nice conversation prior, and you know, Cameron's one of the younger truthers and again we've had a bunch of folks seemingly thirty two, and I emails from people seventeen eighteen all the time, So it's great to
see, you know, the younger generation. While as much as they get piled up on, there's a lot of folks out there who are like yourself. Yeah. Absolutely, praise God for that. Man. Amen, And why don't you tell folks a little bit about yourself? Well, of course, my name is Cameron, and man, I wish I did a lot of stuff, but I'm kind of boring. I really just work and I work out, and hopefully soon I'm gonna work towards getting a certification for personal
training. So that should be fun. Oh that's awesome. That's good physically fit and spiritually for the right. Yeah. Amen, Yeah, I need to work harder on both actually, but I need a little work as you get older. I used to be in fit just a couple of years ago. I was running five k's and all that stuff. But you know, the older you get, you got to work harder and be more mindful of what you eat, because your body. When you're eighteen, you can eat
a large pizza and not notice it. It's not the case anymore when you get older. Yeah, exactly, that's awesome. So why don't you tell folks a little bit about your your your journey to the truth, kind of your upbringing. Maybe when did you start seeing the world a little differently than maybe let's say that the normies with the air quotes that how they see it. Okay, So really it started where I was working at the place I'm working at now, and with all the free time and downtime that I had,
I would just listen to podcasts. The first podcast that I listened to with a podcast called Theories of the Third Kind, and it goll just kind of branched out from there. And I mean I've been a Christian my entire life. I've just now recently been to a point where I am serving Him one hundred percent. I will not serve two masters that refuse to do that. So I mean they just all branched out from there, Like I would listen to the Machine and that and a whole bunch of other podcasts, and
then I think yours came up one day. And I mean I've always had an open mind because I'm a Christian, and you should have an open mind as a Christian. You're not going to bring an atheist to Jesus Christ. If you don't have an open mind, you just can't be closed minded. I just don't believe in that. It's like, I'm not saying open minded to like other religions and like other gods and stuff like that, but like
things concerning Christianity and the Bible and everything like that. So yeah, I found your podcast and man, I was like hook Line and sinker Man on flat Earth. So yeah, well I appreciate that. And you had mentioned having an open mind and for me being knowledgeable of the enemy and a good thing with me on the fact Hunter is the symbols and the numbers and things
like that. Yep. But again with that being said, you even have to be careful when you mess around with that stuff because the occult is very dark. Yes, absolutely, and you don't want to let Saytan get a foothold over you at all. What was the first kind of a rabbit hole that you kind of fell into. I would probably say nine to eleven like every other person, but yeah, nine to eleven definitely. What were some
of the anomalies that grab your attention? The fact that I mean it sounds easy and everybody says it, but the fact that jet fuel cannot melt steal them. This doesn't make sense scientifically, it doesn't. And you know what people say, well, it's the same old thing. But if it disproves the theory, then then that should be champion, that should be in people's face. The same thing with if people believe that heliocentrism is real, then
you have to believe that the Van Allen belt is real. And if you use the heat of the Van Allen Belt and see what temperature aluminum melts at and what the you know, the rocket they used to go through that they would have never made it through. Yeah, it's it's complete rubbish. It's
just foolishness. Yeah, honestly. And that once again, both of those examples are just one small example of the thousands of fallacies within those you know events, So that would you know as you come through and again you're only twenty one. How old were you when you started seeing these things? Like probably nineteen, I'd say, so okay for the last couple of years, but still being awake at nineteen is extraordinary. What when did you kind of
fall into flatter? I heard you mentioned the podcast and everything, but still listening to a podcast and then taking the time to realize it for yourself and then how did it affect your your life and your outlook on things. Wow, it affected it a lot. Like my mind is blown and it's just looking at it like scripturally, and I I take the word of God literally. Other I know Greg Locke doesn't. He thinks it's a metaphor and everything like that. But I take it literally. So that's all I have to
say. I mean, Isaiah forty twenty two. I mean it says that God sits above the circle of the earth, and I take that literally. I do too. I do too. And when you realize it, then you realize God is not in some other dimension. He's right above us, you know, looking down upon Yep, for sure. But you would mention something I want to jump into very interesting because today I had gotten an email that the person was saying, do you think that the stars are actually windows
into the firmament? And you had something kind of similar. I'd like you to share that with the audience. Yeah, So, based off of the scriptures, I believe that the stars are actually angels. So if we go to Revelation nine one to two in your Bible, I'm gonna read it word for word, and if anybody wants to follow along, said that revelation one two nine one, okay, thank you, yes, yeah, prompt And
this is going to be word for word. And it says in uh one, it says, and the fifth Angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth, and to him was given the key of the bottomless Pit. And then in verse two it says, and he opened the bottomless pit, and there arose the smoke out of the pit as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by
reason of the smoke of the pit. Hmmm. That's interesting because it says, yeah, when referring to the star, he said to him right, yes, yeah, it says him. And he so it's it's like possessive against the angel of the bottomless pit. So are falling stars falling angels? That's a good question. I mean, it just hit me right now just thinking about it. I mean, it's it's a possibility, and my mind
is open to anything, you know like that. But and I have it written down, I said, I put Genesis one fourteen, of course, and God said let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years. And if you go to Matthew twenty four to twenty nine, it says, immediately after the tribulation of those days, shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven. So I believe that the stars are angels, and that it's all just the signs of the end times, like the revelation of Jesus Christ. You know, that's that's very interesting. Obviously in fla Earth or biblical cosmology, however you want to swing it, we focused heavily on the Sun, and we focus heavily on the moon and things of that nature. But maybe it's constellations, but maybe the stars are something
that we should focus on more. Now. I have a listener here right here in Delaware who has a P one thousand and takes videos of the stars, and they are definitely just like the planets, nothing like what NASA tells us and the government tells us. Oh yeah, absolutely everything they spew out of our mouth is bull crap. Of course, It's very interesting though, because when you look at it, it does look like almost that it's in the water, the way it kind of shimers. Have you noticed that?
Yeah, yeah, I didn't notice that. I've seen the videos on TikTok too. Yeah, there you go. And I wanted to be clear. Kyle is his name. He emailed me just yesterday says, as far as the stars, have you ever wondered were heard that maybe they are the windows of heaven that were opened up during the flood. To me, they look like light in the water. So if they are windows in the firmament, that could be the light of heaven or in God's glory shining through the windows
of the firmament. I mean with that, it's definitely a possibility. But I believe when you read Genesis around when the flood happens, I think it says after the flood that the windows were closed. So I think it could be a possibility. Like I said, my mind is open to it, but I believe that those windows were closed after the flood. Yeah, that's
a great point too as well. And again, by the way that song Anne Murray, I'll have to look at the lyrics to see against stars are the windows of heaven back in seventy seven and seventy eight, And of course we know they have always used Hollywood and entertainment to disclose the truth, right, Yeah, absolutely sure, that's very interesting. But that's a very very interesting take that that these angels, that the stars represent the angels. Yeah, can I read one more versus? Yes? Okay, all right,
So this is it's also in Revelation nine. If you go down to verse eleven, it says, and they had a king over them, which is the Angel of the bottomless pit. And in his his name in Hebrew is a Baden and a Poleon in Greek. So I mean it kind of seems like the star that fell to earth that had the key of the bottomless pit. It seems like, based off of the verses in Revelation nine, that it's saying that he is the Angel of the bottomless pit. The star is
the angel of the bottomless pit. Yeah, and that's I guess a Baden or which again a Polyon. That's not such a far reached from Apollo either, right, Yeah, no, it's not. And it's all so interesting. You just said that was chapter nine, verse eleven. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even realize that nine to eleven. There you go, Yeah, there you go. And they had a king over them, which is
the Angel of the Bottomless Pit, the Angel of the Bottomless Pit. M that's very interesting that there was something else I had in your email that I wanted to mention to you, but while we're at it, because it is such still a very hot topic, and I wanted to address it earlier in the podcast before we get too deep on things. You did say that you watched the debate from last Saturday night. What were your thoughts and what you
what did you take away from that? Oh man? And I just feel like and I love Patser Greg Locke, and he brought some good points. I think I tried to go into the debate as biased as I can. He had some good part some good points, like his interpretation of I Believe It's Job thirty eight thirteen with the clay under the seal, Like the way he said it kind of seems like it's talking about how the sunlight exposes like
the cracks and everything in the earth. But he's just very It just seemed like he was very prideful during the whole debate and even before Pastor den Odle's presentation, he said that he wouldn't even look into this foolishness anymore. So,
I mean he already made up his mind exactly. So why even invite another pastor into your church, and yes, knowing that his congregation was going to follow him to this type of event, Why would you even set up something that, if you knew, was going to be divisive and it backfired on him? Really, because Yeah, I've seen so many interviews with people who came out of there that said, I had never even heard of this past or Odal guy before, but I'm really intrigued and I'm going to,
you know, start following his work now. Yeah, I saw all the comments too. It was it was great to see so many like biblical flat earthers in there, and so many people were trying to like see like the biblical standpoint, not so much of the science, which I love to see. I love to see so many people love the Lord and want to see it biblically and scripturally. So it was a good thing. So it was awesome indeed. And on that note, I think you had emailed me and
mentioned that you're on your worship team at your church. And you noticed that one of the songs they were singing is something that you do as well, but there are certain parts that you don't sing. Yes, So the song is they were singing was worthy of it all. And it's a song by David Brimer. And one thing and one of the verses they sing day and night, night and day let incense arise. And I kind of gotten odd
feeling from that one. I heard that. It's because I know, with my my praise and worship team, when we sing this exact song, we say day and night, night and day, let our praise arise because we're not supposed to burn incense anymore, you know what I mean, because we have Jesus Christ, right, And I think I mentioned to you in a reply that incense is kind of a pretty new agy thing, right, Yeah, it is, Yeah, absolutely for sure. So I thought I found
that very interesting. And again, the ending of that thing just seems so surreal to me. And we've gotten emails from people who were physically there and they verified things like number one, Pastor Otel's microphone was so much lower than Pastor Locks and then one Pastor Locke was done speaking when when Pastor Otell went up to do his hour and forty minute speech. They fired up the heater
so the people the back couldn't hear anything. Again with these coincidences or was there something more nefarious behind it, I don't know, but it could have been a great event where people came together and celebrated, you know, Jesus and could have had a good discussion and shake hands. And because listen,
we all you can leave. You can send out a verse to one hundred people and you'll get fifty different ideals about it if you ask them what does this mean to you to just you know, tell people never to come back to your church and things that this nature is just something that you go on
to talk about. Right you say that, and we man, we have the same problem here because you had mentioned that most of the at least the church I think in your area that the congregations are much much older, right, Yeah, absolutely, we need to bring more people my age into the congregation. I want to see it pouring out of the Holy Spirit like never seen before, because it just makes me sad, it does. It's just
all old people. And I mean, I know the Bible says that there's going to be a great falling away by I just didn't think it would happen so soon. How do you think we can approach that to make it change? Is it a leadership problem? Is it a problem within the church? What do you see the problem? Number one and number two? How can we fix it? Is absolutely a problem. I believe that there's too much
preaching and there's not enough teaching of the Word of God. Because looking at two Timothy three sixteen, all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the Man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished onto all good works. So we need to be teaching people in these churches too, not just preaching a message. We need to be teaching. We need to instruct people in
righteousness. That is what we need to do, and that's how we can fix it. We need to get these pastors and these leaders in the churches to actually be teaching people. Preaching it's good, and I mean I get my meat and potatoes from my church, but we need people that teach the word of God to help build faith in people. So there is a falling away like there is right now I still have a lot more to pick on
about the subject to talk to you about. But while it's forefront of my mind, if you even brought up biblical cosmology in your church, what type of reaction do you think you would get from it? Oh? I mean, man, I don't want people from my church to listen to this, but my pastor has already told me about it and they don't believe it. Yeah. But again this goes back to ten minutes ago in our conversation about having an open mind. Yeah. Absolutely, you have to have an open
mind as a Christian. I believe that. Not like I said in our conversation before, not an open mind to other religions because the Father is a jealous God, sure, but an open mind to things script and biblically, like you need to take like I can understand not taking the parables of Jesus Christ like seriously, or even the proverbs or something like that. But like, if it's a psalm, I don't want to sing an exaggeration to the Lord, because a psalm is a song. Why would you sing an exaggeration
to the Lord. It just doesn't make any sense to me, And I don't think David would do that at all great points, and you would also mention that it's a relationship, not a religion. Yes, absolutely, and I will I will say that was my last dying breath. You know, it is a relationship. And I harp on everybody about that it is not a religion. I know I'm gonna sound extremely religious and zealous here when I say this, but I'm not saying that people are Satanists or anything like that.
But I believe the denominations and the religions they're all Satanic because if you look at denomination, it just means division. And when Satan back during the time of the Apostles, he was killing so many Christians and Christianity was just flourishing and spreading like nothing he had ever seen before. So instead of killing the Christians, he infiltrated the church and he created all these denominations, all
these divisions in the body of Christ. When we need to be on one accord about things, we cannot be divided, especially in times like these. We need to be strong. We need to encourage each other, we need to be there for each other, we need to pray and just help each other in these times. Indeed, and the word denomination. It's interesting because it is you know, it talks about the different groups of churches, but it's also it deals with money, which is kind of interesting. Yeah.
Absolutely, this language that is real interesting. So, yeah, what is your ideal of the perfect church or a perfect you know, you know what I mean, perfect service like assembly or gathering. Yeah, I mean, it's exactly that, an assembly you're gathering just like like, like I agree with the last episode what John was saying, like just like a few people in your house. That way you actually get to know each other and pray
for each other and like read together and do Bible studies. Because once you start getting over like a couple hundred people, you start forgetting people's names, and it's not really like, what's the word I'm looking for a church? Really, it's not really a church. That's a good point. When I was in the military, we used to once a month we would have a lower enlisted soldier take the helms and and take the responsibilities of the first ardant.
Again, the responsibility is not the power, and they kind of got to see what it was like to be someone with that much weight behind them on their collar, you know what I mean. And I think in many ways, it was very successful to understand where, you know, a person of responsibility comes from. And I always thought it would be interesting if pastors would kind of rotate, even if it's on a monthly basis, just people in the congregation to lead, because I think it would give them a renewed
vigor instead of sitting back and listening every week. That's just one of many ways you could be you know, you can reinvent things and keep people interested. Yeah. Absolutely. And my church has two pastors, so they switch on and off every week. One pastor will do Sunday Wednesday, and then the next one will do Sunday Wednesday, and so on and so forth. And sometimes while the one pastor is a way, we actually get people from
the congregation and they actually preach up there. So I mean, that's nice, that's great, that's good. That's it. And are you in what type? Are you in a non denominational or are you in a denomination? Non denominational? Good? And even with that, you have to watch out because if you're calling your church a non denomination, it's almost like a denomination, So you got to watch out for that. It's its own separate group, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a great point. That's
a great point getting getting back to flat earth. When you realized it, was it through the podcast or was it other venue where you kind of fell into the flatter It was your podcast, And I mean biblically too, because I look at the Word of God and I see it literally and I take
it literally. So what were the kind of the silver bullets biblically and then the silver bullets if you want to call it scientifically or whatever you want to call it, that made you realize and support your new theory of Biblical cosmology. Okay, so of course I'm going to probably sound like every other person, but I mean it's Isaiah forty twenty two and Isaiah twenty two to eighteen. You want me to read it? Yeah, please do, okay.
Isaiah forty twenty two. It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in. And now when they say circle in that it's couge in the Hebrew, which means a circle or like a compass. That's right, spot on. And then and then in Isaiah twenty two eighteen it says, actually, I just like pretty much got like the first sentence of it. So it says he will surely
violently turn and toss the like a ball into a large country. And the ball in that is uh. I believe it's pronounced dr in Hebrew. And the definition is I mean passer Locke in his presentation, he was right that it is a circle, but it's not in the way that you think it is. The ball is not a circle. It's describing like the path that it turns in a circle. Exactly, well done. And then I have, of course Joshua ten thirteen, and the sun stood still in the moon
stayed until the people had to vent themselves upon their enemies. And we know that scientifically, gravity is the force that keeps us grounded while the Earth is spinning. And I believe that God would have put that he stopped the Earth from moving right and gravity didn't work, yes, exactly, Yeah, we would have all floated off in the space and suffocated the death in what they call is space, I guess, right, right, right, So yeah, so that's the three biblical and then man have two for let me go
to my notes on my phone real quick. On seconds. I have a lot of notes, so I would say, I mean, again, it's cheesy. It's like everybody else. It's the planes don't need to lower their nose every couple of minutes. The sea level, and I mean, this is gonna what were you gonna say, sorry, no they say sea level. It's like right there in your face, sea level, Yeah exactly, yeah, not sea So and then I mean, this one's gonna kind of
tie in biblically. But like I think about this, I put the whole world believes it, and as a Christian, I'm going to go against the grain. So I don't even care what people believe in as a globe because literally the whole world supports it and believes in it. So I'm going to go against the grain as a Christian, and I'm not going to believe at the ball right. And again, for me, it had to be in that order of conspiracies or rabbit holes, because there is no way that flat
Earth I believe that could ever been my first rabbit hole. But you know, at that point in my life, I'd realized that the government was lying. At that point, I thought just about everything, and then when I looked into it, I was like, oh wait. And when I say the government, I mean you know, the controllers, the people who about to Satan, right, the people who do is dirty work. Everything is everything is a lie, or at least is perverted or you know what I
mean. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Satan's at the top of the pyramid, and then everything else is pretty much at the bottom. Yeah, one hundred percent. It works its way down and again. To get to the top of the food chain, you got to be part of the club. Most of everything, from entertainment to music to sports, none of it's organic. It's all predetermined, and it's meant to detractice from the important things in life. Right, how people will spend an entire Sunday getting their face paint
on, driving to the stadium, cooking out. If they could just get that passionate about their country, their freedom, and their and their you know, following Christ and God, we'd have a much better world. But we all know that's not the case. Yeah, absolutely, It's it's like you say, it's all bread and circus. It's all meant to take you away from the way the truth and the life that is Jesus Christ. Yep, that's all it is. Yeah, and again we all need our diversions from
life. Right, it's good to get out and have a rabbit hole. But at the same time, if it becomes if you could become consumed with it, and it just can be very detrimental for your personal being and your soul. And really, you know, when when you get older, you want to say, what did I do to make a difference in the world other than just you know, cheering on a team when at the end of the day when they win, you don't get a ring, you don't get
you know, you can't get all that stuff. But again it's you know, I enjoy sports, not as much as I used to, but it's nice to have diversions. And I don't beat the old, you know, grumpy guy like Clint Eastwood on the porch, these dang kids. But it's important that we focus and put things into perspective and understand that every day that
we allow things to slip, these things add up. And here we are at the end of twenty twenty three, and you look around you and you see how we allowed twenty twenty to happen, and there was never accountability for these things like Oklahoma City JFK, the lie, the obvious one hundred percent lives of the moon landing. But if you don't claim your six hundred dollars Venmo transaction on your taxes, that are going to come after you. Yeah,
absolutely, it makes no sense. It's all just a hypocritical system, that's all it is to trip us up. Absolutely, And what other notes did you have? What are the things that you wanted to discuss tonight? I mean I have a couple verses that about the planets and stuff like that. I believe in my heart that the planets are absolutely idols. I mean you look at their names. I mean in itself, they're name after Roman gods, Saturn and Saturn Alia, right, that's one of them. Yeah,
exactly, in Jupiter, Roman God, Pluto, Roman God. I mean, so on and so forth. You get in Mars and all that kinds of stuff. And I mean you have kids that have it the Solar system and the planets that are plastered on their walls, you have it in posters and classrooms, and it's just like almost giving power to those those entities that have those names and it's idolatry. That's such a good take. Could you read those verses that you had regarding them? Yes, absolutely, let
me go. So we have this just mentioned. This is the only place in the Bible that mentions the word planets. So we have Second Kings twenty three to five, and I'm going to read it, read the whole thing, and it says, and he put down the idolatrous priests whom the Kings of Judah had or ordained to burn incense in the high places, in the cities of Judah and in the places round about Jerusalem. I'm also that burnt incense onto ball, to the Sun and to the Moon, into the planets,
into all the hosts of heavens. And I think back then and when David was king, I think they were known as wandering stars. Correct, correct, Yes, yeah, so they I mean, and if when you go to the Hebrew for planets, I'm probably going to butcher this, but I think it's pronounced mads the law and it means consolation or zodiacal signs. So you have that, and let me see here. And then Acts fourteen
thirteen talks about the priest of Jupiter. So thirteen says, then the priest of Jupiter, which was before the city, brought Oxen and garlands unto the
gates and would have done sacrifices with the people. And then actually in my notes I can read on too, give me one second, yes, fourteen, twelve, there we go, and then thirteen or in twelve it says, or sorry in verse fourteen, sorry it says, which when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of they rent their clothes and ran in among the people, crying out verse fifteen and saying, sirs, why do ye eat these
things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that you should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven and earth and the sea and all the things that are therein So, I mean, the planets are idols, that's all they are. And that's my belief. That is interesting. So you think they're actually like evil entities, like you believe the stars are angels, and do these planets I don't know really how to phrase it, Like, are you saying the planets are
like fallen angels? I guess as false gods those types of things. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, because most of them. Go ahead, go ahead, sorry, go ahead, no, no, you go ahead, Okay. I was gonna say, I believe that the gods of old existed, you know what I mean, but not not capital g like God the Father, right, I mean, they're they're fallen angels, just like the Greek gods with Zeus and Hera and all them, and even the Phoenician god, which a ball. So I mean they all existed, but you should
have just belief and faith in Jesus Christ alone. And it's interesting that you mentioned that because this almost lends credence to the people who think that the Roman Catholic Church is behind much of what we do, because you know, Venus and Mars, uh, these were all, like you said, they were Roman gods. Yes, yeah, absolutely, and like Mars, I think he was like the agriculture or garden and all this stuff, so you know, and of course he was the son of Jupiter, so there's you know
that as well. That's really interesting. So do you think uh hmm, see, this opens like a whole new door of things I got to think about. I'm gonna yeah, it's a whole rabbit hole. Yeah, So, like do these planets hold power like Satan does. Are these I mean, this is when I get into the things like what actually are they? What kind of entities are they? I mean, it's definitely possible. I mean you go back to uh one of the Genesis six with the sons of
God. I mean they could be just those entities as well a part of the like and those type of things and on Mount Herman, like the Nephilim and et cetera. Yeah, basically that's interesting. That's something that I'm gonna have to really really really take a deep dive into because it is interesting.
Like you said, all the planets are of Roman gods, right, named after room and gods, and everybody oohs and ohs about them, right, And like you said, when we're children, they hang they hang up the little planetary systems above our cribs and in our room, and they saw the cool little the lights that you turn on at night and it shows them on the your ceiling at night for you to I had one of those. Yeah. Yeah, well, and again it goes to everything. Everything they normalize,
a lot of it is paganized. Yeah, absolutely, even can we get on the topic of Christmas a little bit too, go right ahead, because I mean it's it is December, just the season. Yeah, so I believe Christmas is a pagan holiday basically you look into it. I mean a lot of people know, a lot of Christians know that December twenty fifth
is not Jesus's birthday. He was not born on that day, and I don't see a point in celebrating it if it's not his birthday, Like that doesn't make any sense to me. And then you look through the Bible and everything that Jesus preached and talked about, and he never said to to celebrate his birth. And I mean, as a Christian, I celebrate Jesus Christ every single day, right, And yeah, I know we've mentioned this hundred times before, but most scholars think he was born on September eleventh and he
died April third. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm starting to think that too. And you know April third is the ninety third day of the year, hence the ninety three million miles away from the sun, right yep, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's very interesting, do you think it was? It goes back to Constantine and the first Council of Nicea, where it was you know, he wanted to please the Christians and the Pagans and kind of brought everything together. Yeah. Absolutely, And I'll follow up with this
question, do you think all holidays are paganized? Man, that's a good question, quoting like the fourth of July, like Easter. Yeah right, well yeah, yeah, like Easter. Yeah absolutely, it's I think it's named after the the god Eoaster I believe, which is the goddess of fertility. And I can't remember what religion or pantheon it's a part of, but yeah, yeah, it's pagan Yeah. And I think Ishtar had something to do with it as well, and I think again absolutely, Yeah, interesting
stuff. And again these are the type of the things that you like to have a conversation about when you talk about cosmology the origins of our holidays. But again, they can be very divisive, and we saw that last Saturday night. Oh yeah, definitely. So you've really I just go ahead,
Oh go ahead. I'm just going to say, you really just got to pick and choose, because again, people will say that it's not a salvation issue, but I had somebody made a great point, it may not be a salvation salvation issue, say that five fast for someone who doesn't know God. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it will lead somebody in the complete other direction. I mean because at this place is billions of years old and I'm just here in a spec of a
timeline. It really goes to show how insignificant I really am. If you believe, you know, the big Bank theory, have a little bit nonsense. Yeah, all of it adopted by Catholics too. I mean, yeah, i'd say no surprise there, but I don't. I don't want to offend any Catholics like I love I love my fellow Catholics. I mean, if they truly have faith and belief in Jesus Christ, that he died and that he rose again on the third day, I mean, they'll make it
to heaven. So I mean, God bless you. But it's it's a very deceiving religion, it is. And some things that I again I'm not If you believe in Jesus Christ out on the cross for your sins and you accept them into your heart, that's awesome. But with it there's a bit, a little bit of idolatry within the Roman Catholic Church and absolutely having to use a human vessel to confess your sins was always something I never understood. Yeah, me either, and my friend at work, so shout out to
Fred if he's listening to this one. Yeah, he was listening to a podcast. And I guess the Catholics believe that if you don't confess to the fathers and like that confessional booth, that you die and you go to Hell. So, I mean, it doesn't make any sense. And we know in the Bible it says that there is one father and that is the Father in Heaven. So it's all just idolatry, and it's meant to take away
from God, the Father Jesus Christ. And you see with Catholicism, it's almost like they're pushing out the Holy Spirit aspect of it, and it's really just God, the Father, Jesus Christ, the Mother Mary because they're praying to marry. Yeah, and and that I guess we'll bring up The next one is, which is you have to be careful when you bring things that are not in the Bible, and that's purgatory. And nowhere in the Bible, not in the Catholic Bible or the Protestant Bible, is the existence of
purgatory ever mentioned. Yep, amen, And I mean in Revelations it says that people will have their day in the lake of fire for taking or adding to the to the book. So I mean it's sad to say that they'll have their day, but I mean they'll have their day in the lake of fire. Unfortunately. Yeah, there's the elevator only goes up and down. There's no sideways. Yes, absolutely, you can't. You can't be in
between. You cannot serve two masters. You're either one hundred percent Jesus Christ or you're told and you you worship Satan like Jesus says, you cannot serve two masters. You cannot serve both God and Mammon. You have to choose one or you will love one and hate the other. If we as Christians know that hell exists and is for real, why do most of us fall so short of being good examples of what we should be and including myself?
Oh man, that's a good question, Like if we understand what eternity really means and what are only two choices really means, you would think that would really keep us. You know, the kids today, you tell them they're not going to have their cell phone for a weekend, They'll do anything to fall in line. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean I could be like that too sometimes, right, But you think we would be the same when we think about eternity, right, yeah, absolutely. I mean it all
comes down. You need to deny yourself. You need to kill the flesh daily, put on the whole armor of God and just I mean, do God's will. You have to let the Holy Spirit work through you. That's what they mean, That's what the scripture means when Paul says faith without works is dead. When you are born again and filled with the Holy Spirit, you need to let the Holy Spirit work through you. You have to or
Jesus will cut you off the vine and throw you into the fire. And I mean that sounds harsh, but we all have free will and we have the decisions to choose right or wrong. And it's not God sending us to hell. It's our own free will, our own choices that send us to hell. Right on, And you mentioned Paul, and a lot of people do. Why does what does Paul get discussed in such negative influence in so many ways when you hear about it across the internet and things like that.
I didn't know. I didn't really know people do that. Well, I mean I can kind of see because he's not Jesus Christ. But I mean he's still had an encounter with Jesus Christ. He still had a testimony. So I really don't know why people do that. Yeah, there's a lot of Biblical revisionists out there that really put Paul in a negative light. Yeah, that's that's not a good thing. No, not at all. That's really interesting. It's something that I see a lot more recently. I just
find it very interesting. Wow, yeah, that's not good. Have you had some successes sharing let me we'll talk, you know, bringing people to God? And then also have you had good Have you had success bringing people to light about biblical cosmology and flatter Really have only had success to bringing people to flatter earth? You know, God's still working through me and I still talk to people. It's just I need to take that extra step and actually
help him to repentant salvation. But I got the guy Fred from work. I got him to look into it, and he's he's pretty much convinced one hundred. Yeah, and then I talked to another guy I worked, and so shout out to Glenn as well. Yeah, and his wife started doing research before he did, and so he's pretty much on board too. He's pretty much convinced. Let me ask you this, how did you approach it with them? I'll tell you it wasn't Brad Crumb's. I just fought out
told him I was a biblical flat earther. That's awesome that the guy mentioned the other day. He's like, I'm not leaving breadcrumbs anymore. I'm just giving them toast. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. That's funny. Yeah, it's pretty good. I mean, that's that's what I did. I'm not afraid of it. But both of those guys are are Christians too, so I mean when I said biblically, it's a little easier to kind of like filter it through the Bible for those guys, you know what I
mean. Yeah, sure, that's great. And how yeah you basically was there a certain way you started the conversation or did you ask them, hey, have you ever heard of flat Earth? Or how did you actually approach the conversation giving them a whole piece of toast basically just NonStop? That's good. Yeah, I mean I think I was talking about conspiracies with with my buddy friend from Fred from work and I told him and he was like, he was like, I refuse to believe flat Earth or something along that line.
I was like, well, I'm a biblical flat earther and he thought I was crazy, and I told him just look into it, man, look into the scriptures and stuff like that, and I mean, lo and behold he did it. And I think it was like the next day or like a week after. I mean he he was like, oh, you might you might be onto something. You might be right. That's awesome. And that that's really all it takes is to get people curious enough for them to look into it for themselves, because once they do, and again,
this that's hoping. And this is important to remember, folks, make sure that you tell them if they are going to research it, don't use Google. Ask them to try Brave or Yandex or something that's not going to divert them. And then if they're going to use YouTube to search for videos, if you put in flat earth and then you search by upload date, you will get a lot of great results. If you just put it in and hit the search button, you're going to get Professor Dave destroys flat Earth,
Dave and all you know, you know, the high priests stuff. You're going to get all the YouTube's c Off Nail, the grass Tyson videos, those type of things. Yeah, so it is important Otherwise they will go to Google put it in and they'll see that the ridiculous stuff, maybe even the flatter of society goodness gracious. Then they'll see we're on a disc that's
flying up in the air, and that'll be that. So it is important that if you are going to give them brig crumbs, make make sure you give them a few nuggets like that so they don't once again, because everything it's an information war and they are very very good at what they do in their deceit. Yeah. Absolutely, yep, they're very good at deceiving because I mean, at the end of the day, that's all Satan does. He is the great deceiver. I mean he beguiled Eve in the Garden of
Eden. So yes, indeed, well we learned a lot today. Stars are angels and then maybe they're falling angels, right, and I put them together in the planets, which you know, obviously we knew that there were Roman gods and that's why when you look at NASA, there's a reason why their their missions were called Artemis and Apollo and Gemini. Yeah, it's all idolatry. Yeah, they're showing you what what gods that they worship pretty much. And I've been trying to figure out what it is with the X with
what's the clown who owns Twitter? Now Elon Musk because he has space X, right and then Twitter is now X So is there something nefarious with that X? I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe it's the Mark or something like that, but who thought, because we know he's they're trying to make him the good guy for the right and but at the end of the day, what's what's his endgame? Transhumanism? Right? Yeah, absolutely with the neuralink Yeah
yeah, not good. Yeah, so beware of good again if they want to give If you want a hero, they will provide you with one. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. The chance of actual a good guy getting to the top of the food chain is slim and none. And slim just left town. Yeah for sure. I mean you see that even with Donald Trump. Yeah, oh, I mean he's one hundred percent of sigh up as well, at least now he is four but he is now he folded me,
Yeah, me too. I voted for him in twenty twenty. I wasn't awake to the fact completely that it's an election, or that it's a selection and not in an election. Yep. And it's sad to see that there's a lot of Christians who believe that there the elected official that they vote for they actually voted for. It's so sad. Yeah. I always encourage everybody to get involved with local things. You can control the people who can be held accountable for. But everything at the federal level is so far gone.
Yeah. Absolutely, it's all corrupted by Satan because I mean, he got blackmail on everybody. These are certainly interesting times that we're living in. If you had to guess what twenty twenty four was going to bring, what do you see happening next year? Man? I see, I see Donald Trump winning the election, and really I see, yes, I see a couple couple of years of peace, like in the Bible, how it says like the Antichrist will say like peace and prosperity or something along the lines of
paraphrasing. And then I think crap is going to hit the flan the fan after that. That's interesting. I think you might be right they're setting him up. I think they made things just like in twenty sixteen, right, like Hillary was the worst person in the world, and we're all we're like, we got to stop her, right, and then he won and we were all besides ourselfs And they're doing the same thing again. They got a guy who doesn't know if it's Sunday or Wednesday, who is supposedly the most
powerful man in the free world. You can't even complete a sentence. So I think this point, we're at the mockery stage, right. They're just mocking us, saying we can do whatever we want. Look what we're doing here. Yeah, it's just a mockery ritual for our country. Yeah, for sure, it'll be interesting to see if they go that route with just you know, because they certainly have laundered a lot of money through Ukraine.
There's been a lot of sigh ups over the last few years, for sure, hundred percent with the flu and co you know, the flu rebranded as I call it, COVID and everything else. People just need to be like you said, like we said at the very beginning of the podcast, being both physically and spiritually fit. We can all do better. Yep, And at the same time helping others get batally physically prepared. Yeah, we need to have faith, love, and charity for people. And I mean charity
is the highest among those we need to have. It means agape in Greek, which is which means much love, Like we need to have much love for these people in our country. People think we have much love for these other countries, but look at the state our country is in. Thousands of homeless people everywhere and just drugs and crime riddled everywhere. It's disgusting, and
they're giving all our tax money away. Yeah, it's sad. And again, all the people of this country are mostly good people who are willing to help others. But I think we're all realizing that the money that's going out to quote quote unquote help people is really just going in other people's pockets and
making the powerful even more powerful and more richer. Yeah, rich, I guess I should say as Again, Yeah, interesting times are living in I do think twenty twenty four is going to be one for the for the history books. It may even overshadow twenty twenty. I'm not sure. I think there's there's going to be a curveball. I don't want to say it on the air because I don't need the FBI come in after me. I think there's going to be a big next summer. I think there's going to be
an event with Donald Trump. I'm just going to leave it with that. But I think I know where you're going with it, and I won't say it either. And it actually has to do with a verse in revelations. Yeah, yep, I can see where it's going. Yeah, absolutely, but again we'll see what There are always five steps ahead of us, and even if things don't go their way like they occasionally do, certainly they have plan B, C, D E and it's in place ready to go,
right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well, that's awesome. You're very knowledgeable and it's such a pleasure to have a conversation with you. Was there anything else that we haven't covered yet that you wanted to chat about? Let me look at my notes. Sure, Actually yes, I did have some questions actually for you that. Let me pull it up here. Okay, so my friend Glenn asked, and this is just your opinion stuff like that.
This question is if the Earth is flat and the Bible gives us plenty of references, then why is it not more openly talked about or taught. It's because the system was designed that way. Because I think it's if flat Earth was taught in the way that we believe it right, the four current corners of the Earth and we have a firmament over us and the sea is level, yep, that would lend credence to the fact that this was created
by someone. Okay, flat earth is not supported by evolution in the Big Bang theory, so they had see with everything, whether it be ninety three million miles or the math that involves eclipses, everything is backwards engineered through numbers like this is the number I need to get to, and they will backwards engineer the math to get to the answer they want. Hence the ninety three million miles. So again, flat earth means that this was created, that
this wasn't an accident. That there's no such thing as space, which means there can be no such thing is NASA, which means there's no black ops money coming through there, there's no trillion dollar contracts. It devastates the whether you want to call it the deep state or you know, the people who work directly for Satan, it devastates that process and it would bring so many people that the churches would just be flooded. And people like, let me
ask you this. You said you were about how old were you when you came into flat Earth? Nine? About maybe twenty one? I mean I started listening to the podcast a little after it came out, so actually, yeah, yeah, I'm so twenty one. Okay, So say about a year, how did that change your habits? Like, did you not watch movies as much? Were you going down rabbit holes? Were you reading?
Were you learning versus say maybe watching movies or doing other things. Absolutely, I was reading the Bible more and going to these verses that people would say on your podcast, and you know, learning the context and learning the Hebrew or the Greek meanings and definitions of these words. And I mean I think it's Psalms one eighteen eight and like God be true in every man a liar, and every step of the way with me and waking up the flyers,
he has proven to be true. Yep. Yeah, that's powerful verse that eight. You know, put your trust in the Lord, not so much in man. And if yeah, absolutely, if we would have paid attention to that the last few years would be in a much better place right now, So I hope there wouldn't be any nurses losing jobs. A yeah, I know, man, it's jeez. Yeah, I'm sorry about your wife losing her job. That's engaged. She got a better job and pays better,
so she was rewarded for her in fiction. That's how I look at it, Amen, Jehovah Yaira. He's our provider and he works out everything to our goods. So I mean, all his promises are yes, namen. And I'm going to keep that attitude to the day I die. Likewise, and but to be fair, we were in a different situation. And again I don't bang on anybody who chose to do what to save their job, because everybody's situation is different. So I don't tisks or look down upon
people who who had to do things differently. I want to make that clear. Yeah, absolutely, yeah all right, And then I actually have a couple more questions. Put questions too, Okay. So I go to the gym pretty frequently and befriended a guy. His name is Rich and he has a couple of questions. So one of them is does the sun and the moon rotate inside the firmament? So you know, it's the Bible says inside
the firmament, whether it's inside the firmament or inside of it. Like you know, if you take a magnifying glass and a flashlight or a small light like that, you'd be shocked. If you put like a snow globe over top of a map and shine a light through it. It kind of looked, you understand, And how the sun is local and doesn't shine on the whole area. So again, according to the Bible, it is in the firmament. Was it inside the firmament or within it? You know what I'm
saying, Like there's a barrier that holds the water back. Is it within the firmament or inside of it? It is certainly not anything that we can touch. It is either in the firmament or inside of it, you know what I mean. I think I'm leaning more like inside the fermament, like kind of like between that space where the throne of God is and where the firmament actually is. The waters above yep, because if you look at the
sun rides and the sun set. I don't know if prisms work both ways, but if you notice the sun set and the sun rise, how the sky kind of turns like a rainbow into the color yep, yep, because the colors you see in the morning are fantastic sometimes and it could be because, yeah, they are, absolutely And I think another thing is like the rays coming through the clouds that the firmament like kind of like a magnifying glass. You know, you can like physically see that ray shining through the clouds.
That's right, that's right. And again, if it was really ninety three million miles away, it would cover everything and the rays wouldn't come through the way they do. Yeah, exactly, yeah, because if it was, if it was a globe, they would what comes straight down, right straight down, but it but also when it came through the clouds, it would be very widespread all across, not not just locally like you see sometimes.
Yeah, exactly, all right. And his other question is do you believe the ice wall is the end of the firmament or the firmament extends beyond the ice wall, And do you think the ice wall is man made? I don't believe the ice wall is man made. I just think it's the furthest part away from the sun, and it's naturally I mean, it's the way God created it. But it is not man made. It is,
but it's also the firmament probably goes hundreds of miles past it. Like to put an number on it, I don't know, because we're not allowed down there. But you know, the ice wall is the beginning of Antarctica. The further you walk in you would eventually bump into it if you can survive it right that trip to the end of the firmament, because at that point you're so far away from the sun and I can't imagine the temperatures there. But again, the reason why it's off limits, the reason why we have
people there year round, is their goal is to get to God. The work of Nimrod in Genesis six, Genesis eleven, I should say with the Tower of Babel has never stopped. It's never stopped. And you know, whether it be the thirties, the forties or the fifties Admiral Bird, or even with the Germans being down there with New Schwabia, A lot of people think the technology that they found for the Foo fighters was something that they found
from down there. A lot of questions remain unknown simply because everything is a lie, right and will never probably never know the truth until you know, we we we move forward, Yeah, until we get past roth Child in deception? I yeah, right. And then, so, since you believe that the ice wall is man made, do you believe that there could be more continence beyond the ice wall? Or no? Did you say did you
say that I believe the the ice wall was man made? Yeah? Well, I'm as to say, since you don't belie, okay, man made, do you believe that there's continence beyond the ice wall? So that was something I tinkered with in my early listenings of David Weiss. I thought that was interesting. But again, if you're you're basing it on the Bible, to me, it sounds like that he only made one sun in one moon. He said, uh, let me get to it. He said,
uh, you know he he made Okay, here we go fourteen. Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons. He made two great lights. So he specifically says two great lights. So in order for there to be other, you know, continents beyond there, how would they be functioning? Now with that being said, I do think there are other lands, because if you look on the flat earth map between in that
Pacific Ocean region, just that huge mass of nothingness. I do believe there are small continents out there that we don't know about, and probably maybe even by what is the sixtieth parallel where we're not allowed to get near. I think it's completely could be. Yeah, I mean anything is the possibility. I mean, like you said, they literally lie about everything. So I mean I wouldn't be surprised if there was more land, masses or continentsans in
the Pacific or Atlantic. I mean there's a lot of regions where it's just wide open ocean thousands for thousands of miles and there's no islands. I mean, it's definitely a possibility. Yeah, we definitely again that there's If I had to wage, you bet, I would say that there is more land within our this right here, within the ice walls somewhere around, but outside I tend not to I have reason. I don't think. I don't think so, but that's just my opinion. Yeah, I mean I'm kind of
leaning to that way too. And then another thing you just mentioned Genesis one fourteen and this kind of I mean this this, this, this verse proved that the sun isn't reflecting the light of the sun at night, because when you go into the Hebrews for the word light, it's it means luminary and luminary it produces its own light on and Cameron, this is what frustrates me.
You can sit down with the pastor and show them this verse where you know, it's actually verse sixteen where it says he made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, which is obviously the sun, and the lesser light to rule the night, which is obviously the moon. And I think that the answer you get most of the time as well, you know, it was you know, four thousand BC. They really didn't know, you know. But I'm like, how this is God's word. How
can you trivialize it like that? Yeah, exactly, And I mean God told Moses how to write these these five books, yeah, the Torah. Yeah, yeah, he literally told him how to do it. And God knows what he's talking about. So for somebody to say that, oh, they don't know what they're talking about, that's just compleat in utter blasphemy against God. Like, how can you say that he got me? Bro he
got me? But again, you've gotta you've got to you've got to wade in the waters carefully because we saw once again, I hate to keep referencing it, but we saw last Saturday night how divisive it can be. It's it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely, And I do not agree with pastor Pastor Locke at all, because I remember he's said, I believe he said that the Bible is like a book of poems and it's not meant to be taken
literally. And when you're when you have that logic, then what's the point of you going up there and preaching that's right, you know what I mean. If you're not going to take it literally, why am I even listening to you? Yeah? That was uh, yeah, that was hard. That's hard to watch. Yeah, and he he is completely in utter garbage. I mean it was it was a one sided debate. Honestly. Pastor Dean Odle came out with all this information. I mean, I posted some
of the screenshots that I had in the chow on your website. It's just it doesn't make any sense. He's so hypocritical. They disagreed over I think it was what job thirty eight, thirteen or fourteen? Yeah, Yeah, they it just doesn't make any sense. They disagreed about the interpretation, which I mean, I kind of lean towards, like I said, lockside of
what it means and that it is talking about like the sunrise. But for him to throw it sissy fit like that and say that he denies Pastordine Odele denies the word of God, it's so hypocritical because he just said that the guy or that the Bible is a book of poems and it's meant to be taken or not meant to be taken literally. So it's so hypocritical. Yeah, his actions were those of a you know, a child that lost an argument. Yeah, lashes because they you know, that's like a teenager.
They just lash out because they have they're they're in a corner, right and they know that they've been defeated. Yeah. Absolutely, he didn't want to give up that thirty grand. He's been, in my opinion, he's been, he's been corrupted. Yeah, it's and of course Benny n Yeah, what was it, Benny Hen, Benny Hen. Yeah, he came buddies with him back in July, and uh, that guy is just he's a false. In years prior, he wrote a book against him yet yep,
for sure. I mean something like that can happen like years later, but it just seems like he's just completely an utterly like compromise yep. And the interesting I mean it's so sad to see that though too. It is, and especially he's got such a large flock that follows him. That's hopefully absolutely And if you're listening to this, passer Lock, I love you, man, and I mean I'll support you because you're a Christian. But you need to take the word of God literally when it is meant to be literal.
Yep, you need to, So please please take it literally. It's not just a book of poems and songs and hyperboles like he says. It's not. It's meant to be taken literally. So please take it literally. If you are listening to this, that you got that right, Yeah, any other question, I mean for me, I was gonna say Pastor dene Odle, I mean, he he completely wipes a four with him, like it didn't even see when Pastor Locke did his presentation, he wasn't even preparing.
He just had a Bible. Yeah, he was pretty taken aback by that. His hour and forty minute demonstration. I think he was absolutely, I think even he saw the light. But again, it challenges people when they realize that, oh my gosh, you know everything I've been taught in my
entire life was a lie. That that's a common response you get, yes, and and some people they just refuse to let their minds be changed, even if they're Christian and they they they think they know the word of God, but it's like something so I can't think of the word, but you know what I mean, Like it's like so divisive, I guess indeed, I mean it was. It was a good It was a pretty good debate
though, even though it was one sided. So, I mean, well, books everybody will remember it, especially when the security came out on stage and then that woman started waving flags like what was that? Wasn't that the strangest thing I've ever You've got guys intactical rand twirling flags back there, like what is happening right now? Yeah? But if that's not like a spirit, I don't know what it is. Yeah, for sure, it was so odd. Any other questions, let me see here, I do not
believe, so all right, how did I do think that's fantastic. I mean, praise God that I was even able to get on the show, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean this is awesome. I mean, like I said, it's confirmation because I prayed about it, and I feel like it's God's will. Amen. That's awesome. And I was actually I think I was spiritually attacked last night too. Yeah, that's that's I mean, you're twenty one, and you've got such a vast knowledge of
the Bible, and you've got a lot of wisdom. You're certainly headed for bigger and better things. And I'm I'm glad to have met you, and I look forward to to chatting with you again in the future. And I want to give you, you know, a few minutes to address the audience and kind of give them the last word. Absolutely well, thank you. I appreciate it, of course. So I just want to say, basically, for all the Christians out there, just leave to the Lord and seek
him out, diligently, read and pray every single day. And I know sometimes sometimes I don't do that, but I always try to, so at least try to spend some time with God every single day. And for people who are maybe questioning flat Earth kind of look at it just through the lenses of the Bible, even if you're not religious or Christian or anything like that,
like try to get different points of view. And like I said, let God be true in every man a liar, and you can, I mean, you can go to that and you can prove that God it is true with the Bible. I believe that was my whole heart yep. One percent. And then again I do believe, you know, going back to your your friend's question, that the reason why they go out of their way for this program. And once again you could tell how much effort they put
into it by the response people give you when you bring it up. How important it is to them to hold this lie up. Otherwise, Yeah, much of their stranglehold that they have on the world will crumble. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean Satan already knows that he's lost, so he's just trying to drag as many people down the hell as he can, and he uses things like evolution, the Big Bang theory, even globe Earth to do so on. So we're going to do more research into the stars and to
the planets. And it's interesting that that you know, it came up on the same day, one person wondering if there were windows in the firmament, and then you would make angels. And there's so much to think about. And I really appreciate all your insights and everything you do. You're a positive light on a society that is again there is a big falling away from God, and it's good to hear people like yourself that are working hard to maintain
and share the message with others. I'm proud of you, and it's great to meet you. Well. Thank you. I really appreciate that, George. And I mean, would you mind if I said, like a little prayer of salvation in case anybody wants to get right with God or come to Jesus Christ. Of course. Okay, So if you Lord Jesus, I thank you for my life and for the blood that you shed on the cross
for my sins. I believe that you died for my sins and that you rose again on the third day, and I ask you to forgive me and wash me clean and the mighty blood of the Lamb. And I ask you this day to come into my heart and be the Lord and savior of my life. Amen. And if you believe that truly in your heart. Anybody that's listening or questioning God, you are born again, you are saved. So I just encourage you to seek other Christians and help encourage and build up
each other's state. Really amen, well done, and thank you for that prayer. Brother. Oh yeah, absolutely. Now I feel like I was just called to do it, so I'm happy to do it anytime. Well, I appreciate it. And again, it was a pleasure having you again. That's Cameron joining us tonight. Another great episode in the books, and
it was a pleasure having you. And again, folks, if you'd like to join the program and share your message like Cameron did tonight, you can reach out to us via email and that is the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. Everybody, have a great week for Cameron. I'm George, God bless you. Keep your head on a swivel and until the next time we meet, we will see. I know it's been struggle. I know you've had spain. I know you feel tired, held down by all the
way. Yeah, I know you feeling you smile ain't the same I saw where to go from. You feel like you've lost your way. Don't give it, No, don't give it. But never home. Don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's got a plaid. Why it's away time? Got up? Baby? Come? Why afraid? God Y called? I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting up the five. Oh you're stronger than a thing. C Yeah, you're gonna be
all right. You're accepting a dead founded beautiful you're shoving ride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving, You can hold your head a pie. Don't give up, No, don't give in. You never lose home. Don't let gone on the primis me ain't done yet, he's gone up. Let WA's the way down the God of Merica. Don't give up, No, don't give in. You never love home. Don't let go one province. It ain't gone like it's worth living. What's a way down the god
of baby? Why spray down the god steam? Oh yeah, what's a pray down the garden? Baby called? Oh yeah, God TV called? Oh, don't give up, no, don't give in. Never, So do they go of the primise? I mean a dog yas got a playing watch a kind of baby colts. Don't give no dogy, but never this whole. Don't let go of the times. Getting done, Lovers for living, What's done, God of any colds all, the God of needs, whits done, the God of you're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
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