The following present is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds you well. Everybody's doing okay. We have a great guest standing by her name's Colleen. We'll bring her on in just a moment before we kick things off. Just a couple of quick housekeeping items, Please do stop by the website. It is the flat Earthfiles dot com.
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Again, that is the flattereth Files at gmail dot com. Without any further ado, let's bring on our special guests for today. Good afternoon, Colleen, how are you doing today? Good? How are you doing great? Thanks for coming on the podcast. Why don't you take a few moments and introduce yourself to the audience. Okay, my name is Colleen. I just turned fifty in September, and I discovered your podcast when I was listening to Joe Rogan, so a little bit of background on podcasts and listening to
things. I am a cyclist, so I have ridden every day for since February sixth of twenty twenty. I have not missed a day of riding my bicycle outdoors that snow, ice cold. I ride. On good days, I ride about twenty five miles. Sometimes I do fifty. So I have a ton of time to listen to music podcasts. I'm a huge Beatles fan, so I dug deep into the catalog. My mom was a teenage fan, so I've always been a fan. So I would get sometimes a little
bored and venture over into podcasts. And I love classic music, so I would dig into music podcast like the Osbournes, anything about music. And then one day I thought, well, I'm gonna listen to Joe Rogan because he has been in the news a lot, and so I decided to do that. And then when I did that, I seen another podcast pop up, and it was the Flat Earth Files, and it was kind of like, WHOA, I don't know what to think about this. So I actually listened
to the first podcast and it just blew my mind completely. I was I had seen it before, I've seen like memes of it, I've seen things on TikTok, but it really kind of threw me off. I just I wasn't ready for it, I guess, so I didn't know what to think of it. And when I actually heard your first episode, that's what changed everything. And I was literally riding my bike one evening and nowadays, you know, now it's darker earlier, so if I get off work, I
have to go when I can go, and usually that's nighttime. And I was on a two lane road in the middle of nowhere, and I just I had this crazy feeling come over me, like oh my gosh. Everything just clicked. So I didn't really have to it didn't have to sit on my mind very long. It was just there and what you said and the way you presented it just I just I can't even describe the feeling. I
was like, whoa, he's right up there. So it just it was an awakening, extreme but instant, and I didn't have I didn't have to think about it. I didn't have to lose sleep over it. I just knew it was right right away. Now, have you been down the quote unquote rabbit hole before or was this kind of your first, you know, dive into the truth community. I have been down many rabbit holes. I'm kind of a researcher. I dig into things. I had many suspicions about
things before, but I wouldn't say that I was fully awake. So, for instance, when nine to eleven happened, I think I was like twenty six or so twenty seven, and I remember where I was. I remember flipping on the TV in the conference room. I remember the days following that and thinking, we've got to fix this, let's go to war. I
was ready because I was watching TV. And it was then I started hearing some alternative theories and I was like, looking at the way the buildings collapse, and I was like, wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. And that's when I started to dig deeper into the rabbit holes. So
the things that I saw didn't make sense. And then I found like the engineers, there was a website back then with the engineers that said this couldn't happen, So it was always in the back of my mind, but I'd never really dug deep, deep, deep until I many years later, and that was through my discoveries of the pharaceutical industry. What a rabbit hole that
is is as well. The architects and engineers for nine to eleven is something that really kind of confirmed my suspicions when you had at that time, I think over twenty five hundred people who were actually certified architects and engineers that this is what these people do for a living. And the guy made it very clear. Now listen, if above the eighty fourth floor, if that kind of crumbled and fell over and the rest was standing, I think people would
have bought it. But for the way it imploded, from the squibs, which were obviously some type of internal detonation. The pictures of the I mean, we could go on and on and on, but again for me, that was a punch in the stomach because I was like you when it happened. You know, in our minds, you know, these people from the Middle East just killed three thousand of our fellow citizens, and we were ready, you know, us in the army. I was ready to go.
Let's let's go get our revenge, and then in retrospect when you find out the truth, it's maddening. I actually put off having children because I was afraid of what I was bringing into the world, Like I didn't want to bring a child into this world because it was so messed up. And I waited until I was thirty, oh about thirty two to start thinking about having children. So it was quite a few years later, and I told my husband, I'm like, if this doesn't happen soon, we're I'm not doing
this. So yeah, it definitely threw my whole It shook me to the core. And I remember like right after it happened, I was making patriotic ribbons, I had little flags, I was handing mopped all my coworkers. It was just really it shook me to my core. So definitely changed my life in a good way. In a bad way. Yeah, So it
was definitely an experience. That's really interesting because I've actually had conversations with two people in just the last week, both of them listeners that has said that they're not sure if they want to bring children into this world today because just the way everything's going they're afraid to bring a child in to face. You know, we live in a pretty evil world right now. They're not even hiding it anymore. At least twenty years ago, to a certain respect,
they were hiding it. But they're not even hiding it anymore. Is that your take? Oh? Yes, definitely. And it's crazy because like when I discovered your podcast, I absorbed all, like, up to one hundred and sixteen episodes in less than two months. Oh wow, So that's how much time I spend on my bike. Therefore, I have plenty of time
to absorb all that information. And I couldn't stop. And the first day when I came home, my husband said, you got to be nuts, Like he thought I was crazy, Like he's been down the rabbit hole with the pharm of stuff and there's so many things, and I'll get into the but he's stuck with me. But he was a marine, so he thinks practically he's mister on time. He's very regimented about the things he does. And me, I'm just like the dreamer, the imagination person. It's like
Yin and Yang. I mean, we were total opposites, but it works. And so he's endured some of my craziness so to speak, and thought, Okay, it's just my crazy wife. It's cool. But this one he was really like, you are off your rocker. I mean, it actually made him angry, which surprised me. I hear that it hurt my feelings. I'm like, how can you not believe me? This is the real thing. It's so much like Once it hit me and then I could see it, I'm like, outside every single day, I'm breathing outside air
for over an hour every day. I see the skies, I see the stars. It makes so much sense. It just hit me immediately, and I couldn't understand why he couldn't see it. But he is coming around. Yeah, that's interesting because we were all that person too before, where you know, at least me and I think most people, you know, you hear flat earth and you just kind of roll your eyes, you know, sure, Jan, But then once you realize it, once you come to
no flat earth and biblical cosmology, you realize that, you know. At first, I was like, I can't believe I actually fell for that. Because of all the things we talk about, whether it be Pharma nine to eleven, JFK, the moon landing and that's thing. I never bought the moon landing. I thought it was beloney, and there's probably I think I saw a stat that the United Kingdom, over fifty percent of the people believe it was a hoax, which when you think about it, the moonlanding is
directly correlated to the shape of our earth. But if it's okay to have that conversation with a friend about the moon landing, they'll talk about it all night. But the second you try to translate it or slide the conversation to flat earth, you get the look like the deer in the headlight, like what talking about dude? Are you drunk? Right? And I told my mom and uh, She's like, oh no, that's not right, Like
immediately she rejected me. And then because she's a Jehovah's witness, and I was raised to Jehovah's witness and so thinking about that aspect of my life, like I never really took to going to church three times a week like we did Thursdays, Sundays and Tuesdays, and to me it was kind of torture. I mean I listened, I absorbed, I read the Bible on teen times over and over and over again. But it never really absorbed for me.
I mean, I remember things, I understand things, but yet it didn't resonate with me because I always felt like, well, when I'm not here, I go and do things I'm not supposed to. I say bad words as a kid, and I do it on purpose, just despite things. I was kind of a rebel and I just kind of got a place. It made me mad because they do exclude you, Like my mom had to write in notes. I couldn't participate in school parties, so no Valentine's Day, no Christmas, like all the kids are having fun, I had
to go to the library. So it really bothered me. And then when you go out door a door, you might see some of your friends at a door, and I was just terrified of that experience. So I didn't really I didn't really care for any of that. But I got a really thick skin. And my parents divorced when I was in fifth grade, so again I got a thick skin. Moving around to different schools, you have to kind of be a chameleon and get along with other people that you know,
totally country kid going into the city, totally different. Yeah, I got in a lot of trouble and I was a rebel. Yeah, And that's we had a joke in our church growing up, because all the pastors children were all trouble cases. We had, Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. We used to go to Maryland a place called Camp Pacoma for Thanksgiving weekend. It was of to get away, a big barn house and you know, and we do the singing and all that stuff, play football.
But it seemed like every time we went down there, one of the pastors children would get in trouble and they'd have to come down and pick them up. Because, like you said, it's they experience different things and is I think part of being a child is to rebel, and if your parents are in the ministry, then you're going to rebel against that in particular, not
in all cases, but in many cases. I've seen a firsthand. One thing I found particularly interesting, and this is something I did listen, like I didn't want to listen, but in my mind would wander a lot. I have this huge imagination, and even as I'm fifty, I still have this huge imagination and I use it a lot. But they would talk about the UN all the time. The UN was the bad guy. The UN
was Gog of Magog, I mean, on and on and on. They really hit hard on the UN. I remember that, and I could probably go back into my grandma's house and she has like hundreds of books because every year they published tons of books, and I could dig in and find out about exactly what they were saying about the UN. But the Un was definitely a bad guy. And there's a lot of family members on my husband's side
who think that they don't believe in Jesus, but they actually do. There's a lot of misnomers with witnesses, and honestly, they when it comes to like holidays, which I really was against the fact that they were against holidays because every other church does holidays, and I was intent on when I got married, I was going to have Christmas, and we do have Christmas and actually have Christmas houses behind the play here. But they are pagan and they
were right, and they really do are strict about following that. And I understand that now as I'm older, sure, but didn't understand it then. So I can't beat them up too bad because they really did the Bible, and they typically followed the King James version. But now I think they have their own translation, which is the New World translation, and it does say spear, and my mom she was like, no, no, it says spear. It says spear. I'm like, Mom, it doesn't really say
spear. And I think I kind of bothered her a little bit because she I think she's coming around, but she doesn't want to break that programming she's had her whole life. However, she did mention to me that my great grandmother, who lived to be one hundred, she died in two thousand and three, so she didn't never believe the moon landing and thought it was crap to begin with. So I was really excited to hear that because I always
loved that woman. She's always been a tough woman and she was sharp as attack till the day she died, so I was very it was very heartwarming to learn that about her. I'm just thinking that she was born a year
before the Saint World's Fair in nineteen oh four is just really amazing. And I wish now that I knew more back then where I could ask her more questions, because I definitely believed she learned in school that Earth was flat, so therefore the moon was the moon landing was crap to her right, it
was impossible right with the flat earth view. Can I ask you where you are as far as religion and spirituality today, yes, so I would say I actually can't stand organized religion, and I've been like that for a long time. So we went to a very popular church in the Saint Louis area for a while. It's what I would call a megachurch. What I was impressed with them. It was a Saint Louis family church. They don't they had TV advertisements but it never said the name of their church. It's just
said Jesus loves you. They would be very like generic and welcoming. And we did go there for a while, and at that point there was like Saint Louis Rams players that would go there. There was lots of Saint Louis personalities that we go there, and it became so big, Like I noticed that they would favor those celebrities and not really care about the little guy, and that really disillusioned me as well. And I don't know, it just
seemed that although it was welcoming, it wasn't welcoming to every person. It was welcoming if you had a pocket full of money and That's where I've always had a problem with organized religion was the money involved. Like I've I've always talked to my husband, We've we've married for love and not money, and will probably never have money, but we'll always have love. So that's right. We were lucky there, but not so lucky in the money and category,
but definitely still spiritual. And when when I heard your first episode, that's when it hit me like, whoa, he is right there. And ever since then it's actually brought me closer to God. And I've dug out my Bible. I've started reading from front to back, but I haven't gotten very far. I work like sixty hours a week, so I don't have a ton of time, and when you put that time that I'm on the
bicycle, it gives me even less time. But right now I've been absorbing all the podcasts and all the information I can, and putting that all together in my head is just it's very overwhelming. Wow, you are busy. You work at six hours a week and a couple hours of doawn the bike. You don't have a whole lot of spare time. No, Wow, God bless you. I don't sleep a lot though, and I bet your
husband doesn't either. Being former military, we don't sleep much. And when you said about him being on time, that is something that's ingrained in your mind in the military. If you're not ten minutes earlier late, that's the old what he says. He says that all the time, and like it would be my sister say hey, let's meet for lunch at twelve o'clock, and it's like twelve o' one. I'm like, where is she at? We have a whole different mentality than the normal person has well, and I
feel sorry for him because I'm late to everything. I was born three weeks late. I was late to our wedding. I mean I was. I've been late to everything, and it drives him absolutely bonkers. They say opposites a tract, right, Yes, it's a good thing because I told him, like when we got married, that we were not getting divorced, like one of us is going to have to die. There you go. My
parents got divorced and I didn't want to repeat that. So for sure, one hundred percent, did you want to talk a little bit, because this is very near and dear to my heart. I have covered it at nauseum on my other podcast. Do you want to talk a little bit about the vaccines and how it changed kind of your life and was a big part of
your awakening? Definitely. So I was born in seventy three. The vaccine schedule, I looked it up. I wasn't really I didn't know exactly, and they don't have it like did they do now where it says exactly what you have to have by what month, what age. But back then, like in seventy two, they stopped recommending the smallpox vaccine, which I find very interesting because nowadays the CDC or FDA would never stop any vaccine at all,
they would completely reject that. So to think that they were somewhat on the up and up back then, maybe I don't know, but I think when I was about three or four months old, I got my baby vaccines
and I turned blue and had to be rushed to the hospital. And from that day on, I've had constant allergies and asthma, those things, And I feel like I was kind of an experiment as a kid because they would give me all these pills, these inhalers, tell me not to participate in gym class, which I think all of that was actually should have been the opposite, because now I know that exercise and your health and keep moving, keep moving is my thing, so I feel like those are extremely important to
your cardiovascular health, and they were doing the opposite. Although I did participate in sports back then somewhat. I did participate in gym class, I never really wanted to run. I never really wanted to do any like real cardio activity, which I should have been doing. It probably would have helped build my lungs. Also, they never tested for food allergies back then, so who knows what I was alertic to all that time, but I was basically.
I didn't get any shots after that that I remember. I hated needles. But I was sick as a kid all the time. I had hepatitis A from a school cafeteria worker. I just would always get like chicken pox. I get everything, and I think it's because my body was rejecting everything that came forward. So it was like my immune system was an overdrive constantly. And I didn't really understand any of that until I got to be old enough to be frustrated with the fact that I couldn't lose weight and that I
was miserable, and I couldn't breathe. I mean, I always rode my bike and always did those things, but I would have asthma attacks almost every single time. So it's very frustrating. When I went to community college and this is crazy, and if I could ever find this guy, I would, I feel so bad. I want to apologize to him. But there
was this guy in my psychology class. He was going to chiropractic school after he finished junior college, and he gave me a tape and it talked about if you constantly slammed your finger in a death drawer and you keep putting a band aid on it, but you keep slamming your finger in the death drawer, You're never going to get better. It's just going to keep hurting. You're going to take something to stop the pain, but you keep doing the same thing over and over. And I listened to the tape and I was
like, Oh, he's so full of crap. And I thought chiropractors were quax, and one day I was I was. I woke up in my fingers on both hands, like the last three fingers on each hand were numb, and I was scared because I was like, oh, if I have to go to the doctor. They're gonna say you have to get some kind of surgery, you go to a neurologist, and I didn't want any of
that. So my husband's cousin was a chiropractor in Mississippi and he recommended that I go to a local one and I did, and he was more of a fix you up after you've been hurt kind of god. But that was my first when I realized that he fixed it by just adjusting my vertebrae, I was like, whoa. So it kind of blew my mind that we've been trained to just go to the doctor and get a pill, and now I go to the chiropractor and get adjusted and the pain stops instantly. So
then it led me down. This was my first big rabbit hole, discovering that the medical side of things is more sick care and they want to keep you there as opposed to the chiropractors want to help heal you, although they want to keep you there too, so I can't say that they don't. It's just that the solution is a non drug solution, which is what I really needed the whole time. Right, Yeah, there's no healthy people don't make good customers for big pharma, correct, so that they want to keep
you you sick. Yeah, that's so much to take on from just that. I remember, again I've said this before, but being being younger, when when somebody got the chicken pox, right, my mom would get a phone call, Hey, Brian's got the chicken pox, Bring the kids down and we'd go play with them. Everybody get the chicken pox, and two
days later we've had that immunity. Now, you know, fast forward to to twenty twenty, you know, have the head of whatever Fauci was the head of you know, saying that, oh no, I mean it doesn't work, you need this vaccine, which is really their way of saying God created you with flaws, you need us to save your life. Really is what they were subliminally saying to us exactly. Yeah, that was super frustrating for me. That first chiropractor I went to. He did mention because I
had mentioned that we were interested in having kids. He goes, I'll tell you a dirty little secret. All the pediatricians I know don't get their kids vaccinated. And I was like, whoa really? He goes, Yeah, I have family members who are doctors and they don't do that. And then I started digging down that rabbit hole, and once I started digging there, I realized that all of my issues were probably from that initial vaccine assault.
And so then I was listening. I always listened to radio, so that's kind of how it was conservative radio, and they would mention doctor Eric Neputi, I'm like hm. So I started going to him, and he did analysis of my blood found out I had all these food allergies. And what was concluded is that all these antibiotics, because I got to the point where I was allergic to every antibiotic that was made. Now I can tolerate a zpac if I really need one, but that's about all I can handle.
Basically, what those do, the constant antibiotics and steroids will put micro tears in your intestines and it just ravages your entire intestinal area, your digestion, It messes with everything, and then you can't absorb nutrients. I had a yeast infection in my blood stream, which I had never even knew you could have. I've never heard of it. So doctor Naputi helped me get through all of that to where I could now ride my bike in ten degree weather
and not have an asthma attack. So it was finding that I alertic to things until all of those those micro tears in my intestines healed. But it took a long time, and I was actually at one point kind of addicted to pregnazone. So they would I would get a sinus infection which would go down in my chest, and then they would give me antibiotics and then steroids, and then like three months later, we would go through the same process
over and over and over again. And I went to a pulmonologist who's renowned in the Saint Louis area. He's been around a long time, but it was the same thing over and over and it never made sense to me. So I got frustrated, and that's how I got to doctor Eric, who helped me figure this out. And I was like, Wow, all this time, nobody gets to the root cause of the problem. They're just putting
a band aid on it. And it made me think of that poor guy that I called a complete quack and idiot in junior college, and I feel bad. Someday, if I ever find him, I'm gonna apologize. But I had no idea, and that's when I decided that my child would not be getting any vaccine because if I had a reaction to it, the chances of her having that same reaction and her having a lifelong misery, I couldn't
do that. So I was very scared about that though, because then, like w she was small, I was worried about her going down the street and playing with kids. It just got their vaccines for kids. If you go to a hospital like in ICU, it says, if you've been recently vaccinated, don't come in here. So they knew that vaccine shed. So that was another clue, like, oh, what if the kids down the street just got vaccinated and now they're going to shed to my kid and they're
not protected. But she's compared to all the kids her age, she's a lot less ill and she's smarter. And I hate to say that, but it's the truth. And we also homeschool her. It is. And what's really kind of alarming to me, and I know I'm not the only one who notices this. It seems like the children, let's just say ten, maybe thirteen and under, they don't seem to have that same emotion and kind of outgoing personality that unvaccinated children don't. And I think that's just my observation.
I don't know if that's something that you've noticed over the years. Absolutely, I notice what I call well one of your guests mentioned it, and I'm like, that's what it is. The floride stare. They just they look off into space and they are just completely like they won't interact or they'll hide behind their parents. I noticed that, And here's my kid like running to hug these kids and they're like running the other things you're running away.
So it's it's kind of crazy, Like I've definitely noticed a difference. And plus, when we decided to homeschool, the reason. Part of the reason was is our work schedules and my mother in law, my mom actually homeschool her. That's awesome and it's I would never trade that for a million years, especially with what happened during COVID. I'm glad I made the decision. Those decisions of not vaccinating homeschooling were scary, and I felt like I get
a lot of scorn from other parents. There's people at work that would say, oh, well, what about her social interaction? And I'm like, you have not obviously met my kid who cannot shut up sometimes like when she comes home. I just got a headache because she's just like up. But I appreciate that. I mean, she's like my little mini me. So I definitely am glad I made those decisions. And I just I don't I have a thickset skin about it, so I don't. Really it doesn't bother
me. I sometimes it does because it's like they always think the same thing about homeschool kids, but there are a lot of them are really smart and a lot more mature than kids their age. Yeah, that was the joke because I'm about your age, and it was the same thing growing up. Oh that's a homeschool kid. You know, he's going to have issues growing up. And that was again in retrospect to the furthest thing from the truth. And when you were talking about everybody when they go to the doctors,
they're just getting pills, they're getting vaccines. Again, all these things just treat the symptoms. They do not treat the disease or the disorder and the body. And anybody who's ever listened to a sixty second pharmaceutical commercial, it's fifteen seconds of what it can do for you. In the next forty five seconds are all the side effects and it ranged everything from stroke to death to loss of hair. It's just why people would trade one for the other is
beyond me. I wanted to ask you your mom's homeschooling, and again big congratulations for that. Is there certain platforms she uses or a curriculum she uses. Okay, so yes, we use Rebecca, which is another family member used it for their kids, and so we just thought, well, it's a good curriculum. We're going to use it. It's called the Becca Christian Curriculm. I'm trying to it's out a Pentcacle of Florida, but they have they actually send out report cards. So my daughter just got a report card.
She got straight a's. Wow. So when she doesn't go to bed till two o'clock in the morning, I can't really argue with her because she gets perfect grades. But it to me there is a lot of memorization there. And they she told me yesterday and it just it threw me for a loop because she said they were learning about Christopher Columbus and the teacher made a reference to well, it's a good thing he didn't fall off the edge of the earth, and I'm like, oh, no way. They didn't say
that, but they did. So they even make fun of flat Earthers in the curriculum, and they're Christian based curriculums. So it kind of surprised me, but then really didn't surprise me because I realized that a lot of organized religions are just that they're organized religions and they don't necessarily dig deep enough to find out the truth. And that's another reason why I tend to be turned off by churches. And I'll put the link in the in the show notes.
It's a Becca a b e Ka. I just sent off to them asking for some information to check it out. And they offer curriculum preschool through grade twelve, homeschool, Christian schools, and preschools. And that is a common theme, no matter if it's monarch aop, alphan omega, all of the We love the math, we love the daily you know, Bible lessons, the English is great. But when it gets to science and gravity and the moon and all of that stuff, it's like they just go right along.
Yeah, it sure does. And that's the frustrating part. Now there are people that are working on kind of a Biblical cosmology type of curriculum, people who were longtime teachers, so I'm looking forward to those things that are coming forward. It's funny because when I came home and told my daughter that night that the Earth was flat, and I kind of lined it out for
she didn't even blink an eye. I don't know if it's because I've always told her about my alternative theories of other things that it And what was crazy is she came down the next day with a pile of NASA shirts and said, Mom, I can't wear these. I'm like, what, It's just a shirt. She goes, but it has NASA logo and it's lies. I had to respect that. So I have a pile of NASA shirts that I need to donate somewhere. But nice, she did not want to wear
it anymore. And she I guess because she's only fifteen, it didn't really even though she's been brainwashed that entire fifteen years with space and whatnot, it didn't really face her one bit. And she's like, oh yeah, and when like, I've told my mom about flatter, but I definitely haven't told my mother in law and I probably won't. She very strict and very religious, and I just don't know. I don't need that rift in my life.
Yeah, sure, So I probably won't ever tell her, but Sadie says, she rolls her eyes when that stuff gets brought up in school. So I bet, because look, the indoctrination is real. There are so many instances that that really go to show what a web and a matrix that they have built to make things where like we should live in a world where everything should be Leah, let let's research this this theory and see where we
find out. You know, if you were to go to somebody to say, hey, let's research the flatter theory, they're gonna you're going to get exactly that. People are gonna roll their eyes and like, are you nuts? But that really just goes to show again how much effort that they put in to television through the movies, the globes being in every classroom, every TV show, there's a globe. Right, it's subliminally put in your mind
that right, It's just that is it. Don't ask any questions. And I get a lot of emails from people that say exactly that when they question whether it be the pastors of science teachers, that's the answer they get, Well, that's it. That's just the way it is right, and that frustrates a lot of people. If you can't give an explanation, don't say that's just that, because you're teaching a child that just not to accept critical
thinking skills and to accept what they're being told. And that's what the people who run the Rockefellers and their indoctrination system, that is the type of children and young adults that they want to grow. They want you to accept what the guy on TV and that white lab coat says, and that's it, right. Oh yeah, And my grandparents and my parents and probably your parents and grandparents, because we're the same gen X people, they will believe the
guy in the white coat no matter what. And it's really hard to break that. It took me a lot on time to break my mom of it, but she's still she's still not one hundred percent there. She's the only one I can really talk to. My dad was a Vietnam vet. I don't really I don't really mess with him too much about any of that stuff. I probably I left the flatter book on the table and he saw it, looked at it, and he didn't think twice about it, So I
don't know. I probably won't bring it up to him either, but my mom, I definitely I like to challenge her a little bit because she's very religious. And the one thing about Witnesses is they were never into vaccines. And this is why I think a lot of the organized religions have been corrupted and secretly taken over in some way because and that sounds a little off my rocker, but the Witnesses were never They would always speak out about homosexuality,
they would speak out about vaccines, they would speak out. Now that all of those things are very quiet, they don't speak against homosexuality, they don't speak against the vaccine, and in fact, they encouraged it. And that's when I was totally out. I'm like, Mom, they She goes, well, they don't make you, and I said, that's not the point. They may not make you, but they're encouraging it. And this is
something they've never did. And when my grandma was going to go get these vaccines, I actually called her, balling my eyes out, please don't do this, Please don't do this, because she was My grandma is the one who mentioned I don't know if you've ever heard of the Silent Spring. It was a book I can't remember her name, but she wrote it about the DDT poisoning of the eagle eggs and it degrades the egg shells of the eagles,
and the eagles were dying because they weren't surviving to even hatch. So my grandma was always kind of like she was a PBS woman, so she would listen to all this stuff about climate chain and on and on and on, but again more of a classic liberal person who would speak out against the man, and she always had some alternative beliefs. But yet now all of a sudden, COVID is the thing and she's going to get this vaccine. I'm like, Grandma, God created us to be able to handle these things.
Are we shouldn't mess with our DNA, on and on, and she did it anyway, and now she has like five of them. And honestly, I think the older you are, you'll probably you're either gonna go right away or you're gonna survive longer than expected. I seem to notice one or the other. There's really no in between. But Grandma has dementia, and that's because she believed the guys in the white coats and that has been taking
statins for years which are your anti cholesterol drugs. I've watched that myself, because she started out with taking some like fish oils and that type of thing to lower her cholesterol. But again, these doctors have like this chart, whether it's blood pressure or cholesterol and B and I, and they go buy a chart, and every single human has to fit into these categories. And if they're not getting enough prescriptions, then they change the categories so then more
people fit into the bucket of oh, you need this pill. And again their generations will believe what the guy in the white co tells them, and they'll take these things, and the next thing you know, they're losing it. Their minds aren't the same, their bodies are falling apart. It's just it's very frustrating to watch. And I've always been outspoken about that. Vaccines and pharma and it some people, like I've told people about flu shots at work. They do it every year, sign up for your flu shot.
And I told them a couple people and they did in one year and didn't get sick. And then the next year they got all scared because the media told them, and they got them and they got sick. So it was very frustrating to tell them and they won't listen. Pardon me, no problem, you take a break there for a second. I wanted to mention a couple of things. Number one, I pulled up the Jehovah's witness website real quick, and it's one of their main FAQ questions. Are Jehovah's Witnesses opposed
to vaccination? And no, Jehovah's Witnesses are not opposed to vaccination. We view vaccination as a personal decision for each Christian to make. Many Jehovah's witnesses get choose to get vaccinated. It's funny though they quote Galatians six' five health care decisions are a personal matter. And it's kind of a stretch because four verse four reads let every man prove his own work, and then shall have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. And then the actual
verse there quoting is for every man shall bear his own burden. So how relating healthcare to however men should bear his own burden? I guess so be it. But yeah, you're right, they do not. They don't stand
against that anymore. And I think again, we've seen many churches over the last I think it really started in the eighties and surely into the nineties sort of merge into this modern day thinking of getting along and coexisting in this type of thing, which has caused a lot of organized churches to kind of fall away from the word yeah, and they fall into what I believe, because like Jehovah's Witness is kind of a joke to people. They even comedians constantly
beat up on them. And it's funny because they were so strong against all these worldly things which they always talked about when I was a kid, and then now they're just caving to the worldly things. And that's where I think, not just them, it's many religions are caving to and that's why you see the splits and the Methodists and the Lutherans and the different religions. They're all just kind of falling apart. And that's what And I did watch the
debate. I listened to it first, and then I've seen a couple clips at the end. But as soon as I heard Great Block talk, he was like the quintessential Southern Baptists scream at the congregation kind of guy, and I was immediately turned off. So I've never been into that. I felt like he was a Saturday Night Light Live skit version of a preacher, and it was disturbing. Yeah. I went in with an open mind, but I as soon as I heard him, I couldn't. I couldn't take him
seriously. Yeah, he did not. There was zero chance he was going to change his mind. You could tell that from the get go. He was not open mind, had been willing to have a conversation. And by the way, the rules that apply to journalists that if the story ever becomes about you, then you've not done your job. It goes the same to pastors. If the church becomes about you, the spotlights on you and not
God, and you know Jesus Christ, then you have failed. And He makes people like him and Ostein and all these people they want to be the star, right that they want to put on a show, and they want people to, you know, adore him. And that's really where you need to check yourself. And again, if I'm being overly critical, sorry I call it as I see it again, I'll pray for him, hope he
comes around and understands his shortcomings. But at the same time that that was very, very uncomfortable to watch, especially the last you know, thirty minutes or so well. And there's some preatures that I've seen on Facebook. And if you're worrying Prada and Gucci, I have a problem with that. I just I do. I have a problem with the money and the huge houses, and I really have a problem with tithing too. I don't think that's what it was meant to be. And that's why I don't believe that you
have to be in a building to worship God. I feel like every time I go on a bike ride and I'm seeing the glory of his creation and having that time to myself to reflect and think or absorb a podcast. I feel that when I'm when I'm out in nature, and to me, the spirituality is in myself. I don't have to be in a building dressed up to do that. It I'm not a very well obviously, I'm moving constantly. If I sit too long, I fall asleep, which is why I
don't like to watch a lot of movies. I fall asleep. So to me, sitting in a seat for two hours is absolute torture. I'm always fidgeting around, and that's I've been like that since I was a kid. And my daughter's like, you're ADHD, you're autistic. It's funny because these kids now, they watch so much TikTok. Everything is a disorder. So she loves to prescribe me as having all these disorders. I'm like, I'm just me and if that's my little tics, then so be it. I
don't need to have an ism or whatever. I'm just me. So I tell her, I said, you may get that for me, But it's I don't see how they can expect kids to sit in school all day and not go to recess or It just that sitting and memorizing is torture. And it's the same as church because they expect you to sit there and listen and
memorize, and to me, that's not what it should be about. Yeah, and by the way, great point on that there's eight billion people and not one of us are alike, and they want to put a label on certain things, and that going back to what you said earlier, I think personally, the goal of a doctor when you walk in is for him to either label you or diagnose you with something so we can get you started, you know, on the pharmaceutical training, because I've just seen it so many
times. There is literally, you could be sitting on the little bed there where they check you out in your heart and everything. Oh, you're tapping your foot a lot. You must write we have something for that. I'm like. And the other thing you said, which really is on point, I remember just being miserable in school because I was always in sports. I'd get up at five in the morning deliver the papers. To sit in a chair for hours on end was literally it seemed like almost a form of punishment
to me. I couldn't stand in school. And you know, I hate the word reimagine because they all use it now we're going to reimagine this. But I think, you know, homeschooling and there are so many good teachers out there. I talk to them all the time, but they're kind of handcuffed with the curriculum and what they're allowed to do. It's not like back
in the fifties where teachers could be creative and really be mentors. And because they're just so handcuffed with the curriculum today and how they have to teach it. So that's why I really encourage homeschooling. And two things I should add is number one. I know there's a lot of people out there who have found a good church and enjoy it. And that's I applaud that. I'm so glad to hear people when they're able to do that. And I'm not
bashing that. It's just I can tell you that I've gotten thousands of emails from people who've because listen, man, church is run by man, and man is inherently flawed, so you're going to have these type of things. But the other thing before I forget that book Silent Spring was written by Rachel Carson. Yes, that's it, And you know it's funny. Back in the fifties and sixties, there were a lot of people smoking. You watch any show in the fifties and sixties or by I was smoking a long dart,
right. But it wasn't so much the tobacco that was killing people. It was the DDT and the pesticides and the chemicals that were being sprayed on the tobacco and all the products, and cancer was not really prevalent until post World War Two when they started using all these pesticides and chemicals on the things
we eat and in some cases the things people smoke. Absolutely, that's also one of the things, like I would tell people well, I'm fair skin, freckled red hair, but I don't use sunscreen as much as I'm outside and ride my bike in the sunlight. I may get a little burned at the beginning of the season when it's when I'm in a tank top, but i'd never wear sunscreen. And people like, oh, you're crazy, You're
gonna get skin cancer. I like, no, you're gonna get skin cancer because you're putting that stuff on your largest organ is absorbing into your body and eventually it's going to be a problem. And I don't do like I only do natural deodorance. I'm a little bit. I do a lot of vitamins. One thing that I've done to help keep my gut under control is using black seed oil with original oil, and it tastes so bad. I put it in white grape juice and I take a shot of that like every day.
But that helps with your immune system. So I've definitely dug in deep with the holistic medicine because before all this pharma stuff they had, they had cures. They had things that would help people that came from the earth. The ground they grew all kinds of herbs and the things that would help people natural medicine, and because you can't patent those things, they want to ban all those things and say that they're they're hurting people, but they're not.
And I'm just I'm hoping that it never comes to the point where we can't have vitamin C or vitamin D over the counter, that we have to go through a doctor to get those things. But you never know. I mean the way things are going and the way they poo pooed ivermectin. And I had never really taken ivermectin until COVID, and then I actually found a way to obtain it without going to a doctor locally, and I was able to
overcome. I had COVID one time. The husband brought it home and he actually was forced to get the vaccine and he only did the We did the Johnson and Johnson one and immediately we went to doctor Naputi got a vitamin C infusion, so it's a direct vitamin C injection into your vein. It's like
a giant thing full of vitamins magnesium B twelve. And then he also got his blood dump that day, so taking eight files of blood outer or so it helped keep your blood clean and clear and it doesn't clot as much, and considering Johnson and Johnson was the clot shot, I was very concerned about that and we didn't want him to get that, but he had no choice. It just came down to the point where, like you're our age, it's really hard to change your whole career at this point. So that caused
a lot of COVID was pretty dark for me. I've never had any experience like that. I hope it never happens again. I was very against all of it and stood on my ground one hundred percent the whole time. I'm never wore a mask. I have asthmas. I don't like things on my face. I don't even like we're turtlenecks. So there was no way they were making me put a mask on. And when work said we had to mask up, I wore a lace mask one day and I got called into
HR. So after that I negotiated what I call the face bucket, the face shields and it's tilted outwards so I had more air because even with that thing on, it felt like I was breathing in a fishbowl. It was a whole year of torture. I thought we're never going to get out of
this. We had a city executive in Saint Louis that was very much Not only did he work for the largest healthcare system in the Saint Louis area, Mercy, he maintained that job and was the county executive at the same time, which you're not supposed to do, because somehow he got away with it. And he was very i would say to the level of fascist about the
masks and closing businesses, and very adamant about the vaccine. And they did kind of punish people at work who didn't want to get the vaccine by saying that we're going to charge you more for insurance. And I did go and get an exemption, and the only thing that saved me was the fact that I had the anaphylactic shock when I was a baby, so I was thankful
for that. I'm surprised he actually gave me the exemption. But it was very stressful time and there's times when I was I've never thought of taking my own life ever. I can just say that one hundred percent until COVID, when it just felt like there is zero hope, like it just was on and on and on, and they kept pushing and pushing, and there's times I thought, you know, if I just ride my bike out in front of this semi, I won't feel a thing, It'll all be over.
And I never did, of course, But I've never been that kind of whole person. I've always been a very optimistic person. So that was a really rough time. And I just I remember, like my daughter saying, Mom, just wear the mask. It's embarrassing. People were looking at us, and I said, no, I refuse to because if I give in, then not only am I showing you that I'm weak and I don't believe in my own beliefs that I can't stand for myself, but I just can't
do that. I can't give in. So I did refuse. And I know some of them, like you had mentioned in a previous episode, as a private business, you need to respect their deals. But I don't know it just I couldn't. Yeah, sure, and it just wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. And it was. It was a rough time, but I stood by my ground as far as I could. Yep. And when I went into the Walmarts and the bigger stores like that without a mask on,
for every one person who gave you the evil eye. There was other people in there that kind of kind of looked at you in not their head in respect. Because again, if anything like this ever happens again, whether it be from a medical tyranny or anything else, I sure do hope we have it we do a better job getting together and ensuring that nothing like that ever happens again, because that was just the most evil year that I could
ever remember. I would never have never would have thought that we would have endured something so evil like that, right, especially in the US of a right way, we're so free, right, it was absolutely insane, And just the fact that we were even there and had to put up with it, and then had to put up with it from them pushing pharmaceuticals on people. That's a medical treatment. You're injecting something into your body that should not
be something forced on anyone. How do they know how somebody's going to react like that? Just seems completely wrong. And a lot of I do have people that work in the metal industry, and a lot of them didn't want to and were forced to. And just like your wife and she ended up leaving, there's a lot of people. A girl I know that worked for a company for thirty years as a registered nurse and she quit and she's much
happier now. But it's just unbelievable how they push a medical treatment on people, and it doesn't make any sense to me other than now it does because I know what the endgame is. But at that point I was super frustrated, and that only made me dig deeper into the reasonings behind it. And that's when I discovered, like your podcast that well that was only just this September, but just that was really enlightening because then I really seen the deception
for what it was and how encompassing. I mean, that encompasses everything. If they lied about that, then it makes total sense why they lie about everything else. Everything else. Yep, that's the vaccinations and you know flat earth. All of that really opens your eyes. And again, as terrible as twenty twenty was, that woke up a lot of people, a whole lot of people, definitely, So again, as terrible as it was, it's waken a lot of people up. By the way. One thing I
forgot to mention. You had talked about the sunscreens, and that's also one of those topics when you mention it to somebody, you get the eye roll. Oh sure, whatever. It's on the NIH's website and I'll come out with that, yeah, twenty years ago. I'll put it in the show notes use of topical sunscreens and the risk of malignant melanoma. So it's on their website. Yeah, And it's on and on and again. Like the stuff you drink, the stuff you eat, it's all been sprayed in some
way. And like I said, I go outside every single day. I observe the sky as a kid. I was riding my bike all the time too, so I never really quit. But I remember looking up the sky and you didn't see streak everywhere. That is definitely something that increased. And I can always tell what it's going to rain because they heavily spray the sky,
like two days in a row before it's going to rain. And it's ridiculous and I point that out, Oh that's not I get so many eye rolls about that too, And then they come out and have actual published articles that they're doing it, and people still don't believe. It's like they don't believe their own senses. It drives me up a wall. But I mean, I can't force a horse to drink the water. I can't force them to believe me that's right. And we've talked about Operation Popeye during Vietnam where
they did cloud seating and forced it to rain and flooded out trails. And then a listener had sent me an email England and the Royal I guess the Royal Air Force did some cloud seating in nineteen fifty two which caused some type of horrendous flood. I think it was in England. I'll have to go back to that email. But this is something that's been going on seven years.
And if you think about if it's been going on that long, how far has the technology come and how much are they actually able to manipulate? Right? And from what I've researched about chemtrails, And there was a whistleblower in the military, and I want to say she was in Texas and started I think she dealt with supplies and started noticing these barrels of things and she
put two and two together and then she realized what was happening. She blew the whistle and then they threatened her and her family and she noted that they were not able to spray anywhere over the bush ranch, which I find interesting. They don't have to get it, but everybody else has to get it crept. I noticed that in the early, like late winter, early spring, they're really like, the clouds are really bad, the spray is really bad up here in Missouri, and that's when I have the most long issues
because I'm breathing that in that whole time. It definitely makes the difference, and it's frustrating. There's nothing I can do about it, and I'm certainly not gonna wear a mask, so I just have to deal with it and hope that I can keep my body as healthy as possible. But we don't drink tap water. I don't believe in I got fluoride poisoning once. I worked in a company that makes those type of products. That kind of opened my eyes as well, because I was doing a taste test and I swallowed
a bunch of sodium fluoride and I was extremely ill. So definitely, that's another rabbit hole I went down into. And I don't We don't do fluoride at all. Back in the I want to say it was the late eighties early nineties, there was a radio show called Stephen d. C in Saint Louis and I don't know if they were syndicated, and I'm not sure, but they're the comedy morning show guys. Ha ha ha. You know.
They would call this lady in Florida and they called her the crazy floor eyed lady, and they would get her on the phone and get her all riled up, and she was saying, the flooride is bad. I'm telling you, the flooride is bad. And they would make fun of her incessantly, and looking back, I was like, oh, that lady, she was
right. It just I never thought that. You know, you think it's funny at the time, but then when you wake up, you're like, wow, these people were right, and they were making fun of these people. So yeah, it's definitely they're coming at you from every direction, and you just got to do your best because right now, with grocery prices being exorbitantly high, you can't really afford to get everything organic. You can't.
I looked in the cereal aisle for non GMOs and you can't find a box that is unless it's over six dollars, and there's maybe like a selection of four items, as opposed to a whole isle of cereal packed with all kinds of chemicals. Yeah, the General Mills and that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's the same way. Here. We have a grocery store called Redner's
and there's a very small you know, the isle is really long. It's got two sides of General Mills and Kelloggs and all that, and then it's got just a very probably six feet wide by a couple of rows up. And I think the cheapest organic cereal we saw was nine dollars. Yeah, they're ridiculously expensive, and I just kind of I gave up eating it anymore.
And definitely don't drink any kind of milk because pasteurized milk is not good for you, and it's definitely not good for someone who has autoimmune disorders because inflammation is the enemy. So I try to cut out anything related to anything that would inflame my body. So about twice a year I go get a blood test. I haven't had an allergy blood test in about a year, but it would tell me like, okay, you're allergic to corn, wheat
and pecans, walnuts. There's all kinds of things that I was alerted to. Peanuts that I didn't even know I was alerted to when I was eating these things, and I would be inflamed from the inside out, and you can't definitely lose weight or be healthy when you're constantly inflamed and you can't breathe and you're miserable. So as hard as it is, I'm constantly watching what I'm putting in my body. Definitely don't drink anything out of the tap.
I'm just very conscious of it. And although i know it annoys my daughter, like she just wants McDonald sometimes and we do sometimes get jump food, but I can't avoid that, and I'm not going to tell her to avoid that, but I tell her the reason why, and then I let her make up her mind, and most of the time she chooses right, but sometimes she goes along with her friends. And that's fine. We can't be one hundred percent on all of it all the time. One it's too expensive,
and two it's just really hard. I think everything's okay in moderation. I've always said that, yeah, we do the best we can. I mean it's hard, though, yeah, absolutely. Like I said, you can get a dollar burger deal at Wendy's, but if you want to sell it's like seven bucks. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, right, And something I want to bring up because I just thought of this not too long ago. So back in the eighties and nineties, there was this huge
explosion of SIDS sudden and the death syndrome. And now I think about it, I wonder how many people are in jail accused of killing their kid, like rolling over on their kid in bed, or accused of child endangerment and it was a vaccine, Like, how many of these people were punished for something they didn't even do. That kind of disturbs me. And that's probably because I'm a liver and I believe in truth and justice. So for me, everything has a good and and I want to be on the side of
justice. And it bothers me that these people are probably in jail and maybe not anymore, but they were jailed for things they didn't even do back then. Sorry because of that. Yeah, absolutely, And going back to the sixties and seventies, there was evidence with the Pertess's vaccines where you know these they would get the vaccine and the children would die within twelve hours and they would blame that on SIDS. Yeah, so for all those years, oh
it was SID Suddenly. It just happens, right, just like they're trying to normalize post vaccines, post twenty twenty, all these young people a collapsing of heart attacks. They're trying to normalize that. There's a commercial. I forget who just put it out, like you know, a twelve year old ride his bike and he stops and grabs his chest and it's just like again, they're trying to make this the new normal, right. It just it's always happened. It's just now that you know, we just want to put
it, make it public and do what we cand to fix it. It's just it's maddening. But you're right, there are a lot of stories out there about parents in jail blamed for SIDS where and in many cases it was due to vaccines. That's terrible. Yeah, it's disturbing. And just the fact that they blame parents. I mean, yeah, maybe mom or dad had a cocktail before they went to bed, but that doesn't mean they rolled over their kids and killed them. Because unfortunately, I ended up. Our
daughter slept in with us for six years. It was like torture. But I had to go to work, so I had to make sure that she slept and I slept, and so I wanted her. I didn't want to have to get up all the time. So definitely I kind of punished myself a little bit. But there's no way, even when she was a tiny baby, that I would have ever rolled over on her. It's like, as a parent, you just have this inner sense of you know, you wouldn't harden your child, so you would know, like you don't even have
to know, like in your mind, it just is there. It's an innate instinct. So I don't buy that people were drunk and ruled on their kids and killed them. I just I'm not buying it. Agreed. I wanted to if we could touch on one more thing before we get into your silver bullets with flat Earth and a few other things. But I really wanted to talk just for a few minutes about doctor Napouti and here's a guy who
is legitimately helping people. And then, as I told you before we linked up here on zoom that I found that the Federal Trade Commission, a gentleman by the name of Richard Charisma or Kerosime excuse me, is once again this is the federal government going after doctors who didn't play ball with big pharmaceutical And I'm sitting here right now I'll include this link in the show notes as well.
This is a warning letter from the federal government to doctor Eric Naputti in Saint Louis, Missouri, for quote, unsubstantiated claims for coronavirus treatment or prevention. And I don't know how well you know doctor Neputi, because once again, well he championed, like you said, intravenous vitamin therapy, vitamin D supplements, and chiropractic care. And here's the government. And again, let me ask you this. Number one, how did he react to the government
coming after him? But number two, why in the world does the federal government have any business telling doctors how to treat their patients? Exactly? He was bury outspoken from the get go. He did a lot of Facebook lives. He would say, the best thing you can do is vitamin D, fresh air, get your sunlight, get your vitamins, get anything to boost your immune system. And they attacked him, and he was on a list of like one hundred ballistic practitioners that they were going after, and he did
get sued. I'm not sure where that ended up. I haven't really asked him. I have an appointment with him in a few months. I like to see him personally. Sometimes don't always get to because he helps so many people. But yeah, I have a good relationship with him, and I noticed that he wasn't around as much in the office when I would go to get adjusted, and I think it was a lot of his things were speaking engagements because he was out trying to get the word out to as many people
as possible. So he would be asked to go to different states, different places to have conferences and talk about these things, and he was very outspoken about it. But I definitely think it put it laid a heavy toll on him with stress because I noticed that he wasn't around a lot, and he's kind of the crux of the whole office. So to me, having him there and helping people himself is a lot different than having the other people in
the office that were just there to help him out. I mean, they're still good, but he's the one with all the knowledge and I definitely like to work with him directly. But he had a lot of stress, Definitely, I can understand, and I'll tell you I'm looking at the federal profile of Richard Karasima. Of course, if you play ball, you get rewarded and he is now the highest rank as you can get in the civil service.
He's at GS fifteen and he's making close to two hundred k a year down in Washington, d C. I'm going to reach out to him. I probably won't get any email back. I never do want to reach out to people, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on what he thinks in retrospect, and of course he'll probably weasel his way out with you know, I was just doing what I could with the information because what happened earlier this year with the hydrochloro queen. They apologized about that. They still haven't given
in about the ivermectin though. No, that horse paced right, that's what they call it. Believe that people, that was a Nobel Peace Prize winning Yes, yes, indeed, and of course because it wasn't something that you bought from mirk Or or Pfizer, it wasn't recommended. And it's just pure evil. And again, twenty twenty was just the most evil year. And I hope and pray we never have to endure anything like that again. That was awful. I kind of want to we have about where we had twenty
minutes left. I wanted to get a little more into flat Earth. What would you qualify your six silver bullets? You know, if you're in an elevator with somebody for thirty seconds and you wanted to plant some seeds in their mind for them to investigate. Okay, So one is that you can see too far, and two is just your senses. So like being outside every day I'm on that bike, I can't feel any difference. I mean, you would have to feel the Earth spending around at a thousand miles an hour.
Just that doesn't make any sense when you actually look at the numbers. That's something I also, as a kid, never wrap my mind around. I could never wrap my mind around the solar system, and I felt like I was stupid or something because I couldn't. It just didn't make sense,
and looking back, it never made sense. And then as I observed, like since I'm out every day and you see the sun rise, the moon rise, the moonset, the sunset, and the positions of where they would change based on the months, and I would try to look up online and figure out like I don't understand how this works, Like it doesn't make any sense. And when when I heard your podcast, I was like, oh
my gosh, that now it makes more sense. And then I got that flat Earth app Flat Earth Dave, and when I seen it on the app and how it goes in a circle, I was just like that it makes total sense, Like there's no way that now I get it. It was clicked instantly. So to me, your senses are extremely important and how we're trained to ignore them. It just it was a mind blowing thing. Genesis was another one. It's just literally right there in the pages. It's there.
Another one that clicked for me was the rainbow. The shape of the rainbow. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's the shape of the firmament. And then the stars never changed. That's something I've always observed. And then water finds its level. Those are some of my big ones. I did try to tell someone at work and he thinks I'm crazy. Now we'll
get to that in a second. I want to ask you, but you brought up water always finds this level, and I don't think I had a chance to comment on this, but again going back to pastor Lock when he brought out that level and said water always finds its level, and I'm like, bro, that's a water bubble. That's actually an air bubble in the water. Right. I was blown away. I was like, that proved
he did zero. I think he went on to the Flat Earth Society's web page for like thirty minutes, because he did mention like that we were on a disc going up eight miles an hour, which is their definition of gravity. But I was blown away when he pulled out that level. Yes, I was. I was shocked at that too. I was like, wow, I don't think he really did any research. No, I was like, dude, that's a water bubble. But I'm sorry, go ahead.
Yeah that was unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. The one of your six is really underrated, and that is your senses, because so often we'll disregard our senses or what we see with our own eyes, you know, over what we're told. Right, if we see something and know something, we're more apt to believe someone, you know, because they have a job title,
whether they're a teacher or like a doctor fauci. And that really goes to show how much they have mastered psychologet like mass psychological operations over them masses definitely, And I notice it now more in TV and things. And I've always been interested in like supernatural things, because those were always taboo, like you don't mess with any of that. That's what I was always told as a
kid, and so definitely then I was drawn to it. So I've always been researching Egyptian folk, like the mythology, Greek mythology, and I knew stories of the Bible, of course, and one of your guests, Dustin Nemos, I believe it was he when he put all that together with the giants, and the the way he put it all together with nemrods dna, I was like, whoa. So again, tying all those things that I found interesting, the Egyptian things, the Greek things, they all tie into
the Bible. They're all part of it, and I never really thought of it that way. So again, that just blows my mind, and I liked it. I watched a show called Supernatural. I don't know if you've ever seen it. My wife is seen all like fifteen seasons of it. Yes, okay, So again, a lot of that stuff is tied into the Bible, things that happen in the Bible, things that it makes it.
It puts a spin on it. But definitely they know what they're doing and they're telling things on purpose, and they put it right there for you to see indeed, and once you start seeing it, and then it's like you can't not see it. So it definitely blows me away. And there's a few like I noticed about Stranger Things that directly relates to sir. You
have to see that if you haven't seen it. There is a show on Fox called Sleepy Hollow about ten years ago, and it had talking about the Heschians and Freemasons and on and on and on and tying it to supernatural events and very interesting and now I'm gonna have to go back and rewatch it now that I know more things. The Twilight Zone is another one. I mean, there's so many episodes that are just like wow, I mean they it's
almost like they knew ahead of time what was coming. And another one that I don't think gets enough at. Simpsons always gets picked on as the prediction, but South Park, as crude as it is, I've watched a ton of South Park in my time, and it's like they knew all the ridiculousness culturally that was going to happen. This happened in episodes years before it even happened. It just blows me away. That's a great point. Water watches
it too, so it's funny. Yeah, I watched the early stuff in the early two thousands, and they were poking at the the wokeness and the self identic, right, don't miss gender me and all that stuff. They're not and I'm sure again it's probably more disclosure than anything. I'm sure they're part of the club. I think it's Trey Parker and I forget the other
guy's name, Matt Stone. Matt Stone. Thanks. But again, that's why you never tell people not to listen to someone, because part of the gist of the people like Alex Jones and these people is disclosure, so you should pay attention. That's that's a great point. Yeah, it's funny because my daughter, of all things, she was playing a TikTok of Alex Jones with the gay frogs. Oh yeah, I'm like, but it's true. I said, he may not be one hundred percent all the time, right,
but he's right. I mean, you put all this stuff in the food and water and you get anomalies. And I think that's part of what why there's gender confusion, because you're taking in hormones that are in the water and in the food. It would make anybody's body confused. So definitely there's a lot to say about what you put in your body and your health. And I remember, like doctor Nipudi like you can pay every time you go, or you can pay like for a year for a whole family, or
two years or however many visits, and it's expensive. But the way he put it is, when you're in bad health, what would you pay to be in good health? And it totally makes sense, no price. Yeah, right, that's a great point. Yeah. There was the guy who used to be part of Microsoft, the guy who died earlier in his life. He made a comment when he was on his deathbed, He's like, look at me, I've got billions of dollars and it does me no good.
Died at the age of whatever it was. Yeah, that's that's a great point, and especially if it works and there's not going to be any side effects like you see with big Pharma. You mentioned briefly, you know about history and ancient history that you've been studying, just briefly, what are your thoughts on the Pyramids. I think that it had to be giants agreed. That's my that's my guests, but I don't. Of course we'll never
know, but I definitely that's always been something that's fascinating me. When I was I believe I was ten, I went to the eighty four World's Fair in Knoxville, Tennessee, and that's where I fell in love with Egyptian mythology and they had a whole egypt exhibit and I was just obsessed. I still have the coloring book from that. It was like an adult coloring book, but all the designs and now that I see like Anubis and they have the head of a dog and the body of a human, and I'm like,
whoa, that's that was in the Bible. That's the altering of DNA. And to know that that was actually real really floored me. That's incredible. You want to get do you want to have your mind blown, Colleen? Go for it. In three weeks, nineteen eighty four will have been forty years ago. Oh wow, Wow, that's hard to fathom because for me, I mean I was a freshman into my sophomore year. I graduated in eighty s Evan, that seemed like just yesterday. But to think that eighty
four was because I remember the eighty four Olympics. That was a big deal too. Yes, that was a big year here in the States. And that was here in a couple of weeks, it'll be forty years ago. That is just incredible to think time flies so fast. It's just mind blowing. My dad told me, he said, the older you get, the faster time will go. And he wasn't lying. Boy. One of my friends said, life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes. That's a great analogy.
That's awesome. Make a T shirt. Could you share some of your maybe successes and maybe not so much successes with trying to spread the word of flat Earth. So there is a gentleman at work that he was a staunch atheist and had become a Christian, and he had told me stories, and I kind of think that in a way, I'm what they call an mpath. So people will tell me their life stories and just walk out to me in a grocery store and for the next half hour, I'm standing there listening to
their most intimate details. I'm a good listener and I hardly ever get to talk. So that's why I'm really enjoying our conversation. Is I finally get to tell a little bit of my story. But this gentleman would tell me about his atheist experiences and he hated God and he's had a rough time, and then he found God and Christianity, and I thought, this is the perfect person because he's been both places. And when I told him, I said, just listen to this one podcast, give it a shot. He
just looked at me like I had two heads. So I really haven't told anybody at work per se except for him. There's a couple people I want to but I don't even know how to begin. I don't know. And
my mom I've told, but that's becoming a success. And it's funny like now, at Thanksgiving, somebody when we went to take a walk, my husband and I. When I came back, my daughter said, you won't believe they were making fun of flat earth people at the table, and I'm like, oh, dang it. I wasn't here, but I wasn't going to bring it up, So I don't know. I'm a little nervous about sharing it. But now, like I was really nervous about coming on here
and kind of exposing myself so to speak. But I felt like it had to be done. And that's another thing that I've always had an issue with is I don't know really what my purpose is want I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. I've done the same type of work for the past thirty years. I fell into it. I do tech work, but I'd never really had a career per se. And I really don't
know what I want to do, and I don't know my purpose. And that's something I've always questioned with my prayers, like what am I supposed to do here? And I'm hoping that we're getting there, I just don't know how to get there, what my next step is. So maybe this is my next step to be a little more brave and say things to people, But I don't know how to begin, and maybe a little business card would
be a way to start it. I don't know, yep. And transitioning is a hard time, you know, for like for soldiers, you've done the same thing when you retire for anywhere between twenty and thirty years. It's very structured. And then to try to find meaning post military, because I think it's important as you get older, you want to do something that has meaning as well as more than just a paycheck as well, and it's very
difficult. I see it from athletes all the time, because you know, from the time there's six or seven, they're recognized as elite and they, you know, all the way through college and the NFL and then they're just done. And positioning in life, whether you're an athlete or a soldier, or maybe you were a businessman with the same company for thirty years, to transition later in life is very difficult, and a lot of people are looking for what can I do that you know is meaningful and I can make a
difference. And I think if we do want to make a difference in the world and make change, we all have to be including myself, because I'm not the same person. I want to put it correctly, I'm the same person, but I may not be as brave in person with other people, just like yourself and everybody else. To walk up to somebody and say, hey, looks pretty flat out there, right, and I think we all should have a little more conviction and maybe put ourselves out there a little bit.
And obviously, again the person has to be willing to listen, right, because I think all of us know who we can maybe have success with and the people out there who probably were not going to ever have success with. So that's kind of just my thoughts in general. What about yourself. Yeah, there's a few people that are extremely what I would call extremely religious, and they wear the T shirt and they're constantly talking about it and it
kind of gets on my nurse. But one of these days I thought about walking up and say what in the firmament are you talking about? And see what they also, but I haven't been I haven't had the situation yet, but it's definitely going to be said. Well, one of the ladies is a pastor's wife, so I feel like I could maybe mention to her and see, but it's I don't know, it's risky because I don't want to lose friends over it. But I really technically my best friend is my husband,
so I really don't hang out with people per se. I'm very busy. I'm absorbed in what I'm doing. So and I've always been an only child till I was fourteen. My mom got remarried and had my brother, but it was more like I was a second mom than a sister. So I've always been able to handle being alone and and absorbed within my own imagination and creativity, so it's not hard for me to just just hang out by myself. That that's great points, and we should start using the word firmament
in our regular vocabulary. We should get a training on social media, because that's the kind of thing, the first thing when people see something they don't understand, especially in today's world where you have a smartphone, you pull out your phone and you type in the word it tells you, and you know, maybe maybe, just maybe that'll be enough to get people curious enough to
look into it. Absolutely. Yeah, we have just a few minutes left, so I'd like to you know, anything else that you'd like to cover or mention to the audience. I want to give you that opportunity. Mainly that I just hope that people have a little more bravery than I do about bringing it up to other people. Definitely brought me closer to God. I mean, that one really blew me away because and because my husband even said,
why does it matter whether it's flat around? I'm like, because that means he's right there, he is totally right there, and it's not so far away. Galaxy it's not. He's just right there and that means so much to me personally, because I've never really had it just seems so far away to me. All the whole concept of God seemed like a far away thing that I would never understand and that it never really made sense. And now he never really helped me kind of thing, and I don't know,
it's just it puts it all in a different perspective. And I definitely felt different in my heart. And like I said, that feeling that came over me when it clicked. When I was riding my bike that night, it was just like, I'm surprised I didn't crash. It was just overwhelming. And definitely I've always prayed and I've always believed. It's just that it never
felt more personal. And I just hope that others have that feeling too, And that's what That's why I think there's a difference between religion and spirituality, because I just I see people that are religious that act horribly towards other people on a daily basis, and I don't understand that it doesn't I can't wrap my mind around how you could be so religious but yet be so rude to people so It just floors me that the one thing that was that turned my
life around was learning that it was flat. And he's right there. I mean, I may not know exactly everything, and we won't know until the time comes and we die, but and we may not know then, but it is important and it does change your perspective on things. How big of a what you realized it was flat? And like you said, you had that moment on your bike. What was it a couple of days? Was
it a week? How long was it for you to kind of action understand everything and to almost, you know, reprogram your mind to your new beliefs. As crazy as it sounds, it was like instant. It just clicked. Instantly, everything fell into place. The only thing, like, I had a ton of questions in my mind about meteors and shooting stars, and I got the app and I was like looking at the skyclock and explaining it to my daughter. So as I'm learning things, I'm explaining things to my
husband and my daughter. And I know, like every night when I come home from my bike ride, I'm like, Okay, here's what I learned on my bike ride and my podcast, And sometimes I get an I roll from the husband, and sometimes I don't. So I'm getting somewhere. It's just a matter of time. And he knows I'm passionate about things and some of the stuff like that I've researched. He's like, oh, that's crazy, Like Elvis is alive or whatever. And Paul is not dead. Just
for the record, Oh, Paul is not dead. No, he is not dead. Okay, I reject that one. So he didn't die in nineteen sixty six and Billy Shears didn't take over, right, Okay, Now that's a whole other podcast. So if you ever come, if you ever want an expert on that, I'm privy to that one. Cool. Nice, well done. This has been a wonderful ninety minutes, all your insight, and it's great to hear your story. And i'd like to give you
the floor for the last minute or two and just address the audience. I just thank you guys for listening, because I listened just like you do. And I never thought it would be on here to share my story, but here I am, and I'm glad I did, and I feel a thousand times better for it because I never got to really, I don't have people to share it with and stick with it and feel free to email me. I love to email all the time, my computer all the time. So
contact me and I'll be happy to talk with anyone. Well done, Thank you so much for your time, and again, her email address, Quinnie one hundred at gmail dot com will be in the show night's show notes. Excuse me as always, so feel free to reach out and say hello. So once again, thank you so much for your time. I hope everybody has a great week. Thank you for your continued support, Thanks for your
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