Episode 113: Flat Earth Conversation with Kathy

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It is the flat Earthfiles at gmail dot com. Again, it's the flat Earthfiles at gmail dot com. Let's go ahead and kick off today's episodisode. We are happy to welcome Kathy, Kathy so much, Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you doing? Hi there, I'm doing great. How are you doing? Chanch you having me? Yeah? Thank you so much for joining us. And say, I already got a little bit of rust. I haven't done this in ten days. I need

to knock off the russ. But it's great to have you. Thanks for joining us, and let's kick things off and please go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Okay, So my name is Kathy Bailey, and I was born in Memphis, Tennessee. Soon after my parents relocated to South Haven, Mississippi, which is an adjacent It's adjacent and just across the state line. So south Haven is where I grew up and went to school. I was born. And Aquarius got a shout out the aquariuses out there on Groundhog's

Day. And I'm not sure if that means anything to you, but the Aquarius is we're the weird ones, have a lot of unique characteristics, and we're fiercely independent, intellectual, curious, innovative, open minded, visionary, humanitarian, eccentric. So we have a lot of, you know, positive characteristics. But on the other side, we can be aloof or unpredictable, kind of detached, sometimes stubborn. So I'm a mix of all of those

things for sure. And I'm not really a follower of astrology, but I do think that there's something to the characteristics, you know, like maybe it's kind of like, you know, we're when we're conceived, we have like different DNA characteristics, and so maybe the people you know born between January twentieth

and February eighteenth get certain personality characteristics, you know. I mean I've kind of looked at it like that before, and then you know, just all the signs, you know, if you look at them, they all have specific characteristics. But anyway, I grew up loving the outdoors. I explored by riding my bicycle and motorcycle. I love to build forts outside, and as I got a little bit older, I took an interest in cooking. And I'm sort of like now I'm sort of like Gordon Ramsey. I'm like

a female version of Gordon Ramsey. And that's no joke. I mean, when I go to restaurants, I really want to barge back into the kitchen and inspect everything, you know. But so so anyway, I also loved to play softball. When I was younger, I was a pitcher and I had a coach who and keep in mind, this is probably when I was about twelve years old, and I had this coach who I felt like was so hard on me, and he made me get up early on Saturday mornings

and come to his house to pitch a softball into a tire. And I couldn't understand why he wanted me to do that, but in reality, he was just training me to perfect those skills. And it really showed during game time when I was on the field, you know, I struck out a lot of my friends, you know, that I was playing with, and

so that was a very good feeling. So anyway, that happened. And then after a few years of floundering around, you know, in high school, I really lacked direction, you know, I mean growing up in the seventies and eighties, you know, back then, there was not truly a huge push on a career, and so I really just didn't know what I

wanted to do. And so I, you know, I'm like most other people, I just you know, got married because it just felt like the thing to do, and that would give me some security or some direction and a daily routine. So I did that and I worked for a while in a small office. But when I had my first child, I became a stay at home mom. We had two more children, and my husband had two sons from a previous marriage, so that was five kids in total,

and one of them had special needs. Okay, so it was kind of challenging, but you know, looking back at that now, those were some of the best memories of my life. You know, when when you're raising kids, when they're little like that, you think, oh my god, I'm so exhausted all the time. But really and truth and you think that that's hard, you know, but really that's the easiest. When when they start growing up, you look back on that very fondly and you think,

wow, that wasn't hard at all. That's right, you know, absolutely. And also to put things into perspective, some of the biggest struggles we have early in life, when you get older, you reflect on them and you realize that's something that helped mould you to the person you are today. That's true, That's very true. So so we I love those I love those kids dearly, you know, I mean, and my husband and I

we parented the best that we could. I mean, we had our own unresolved childhood traumas you know, didn't know how to really deal with it. But we were young, and so we joined a church. We joined a local church, and we pursued trying to be the best people that we could be. You know, in our minds, that was the thing to do. When you have a small family, you take them to church and try to you know, raise them the right way. Our life revolved around that

church. We attended service every week. I was involved in weekly women's ministry, joined small group meetings, and you know, we read endless books on how to be better parents, you know, how to have a good marriage, all of those things. And you know, as I got a little bit older, I started reading the Bible through every single year. You know, I had that Bible and a year plan, and I was you know,

I started doing that, you know, when I could. And so, you know, I kind of took on the belief that all of this religious activity that we were involved with would sort of cover our mistakes and our shortcomings and it would somehow miraculously protect our children children. You know, but that's wrong, That is not true, just because you have them in the right environment, doesn't mean that they're gonna, you know, embrace the truths

that you believe or think is right, you know. And you know, honestly, my husband and I we were sort of eroding from the inside. It's like we mistook religion for love, and love would have actually been the better choice over religion. And so eventually the marriage collapsed. My husband he reconnected with a high school girlfriend, and he ended up leaving and moved to

another state. And at that time, it was a very drastic and shocking change because I had been a stay at home mom for all of those years, and so there I was with the clock ticking, you know, to find a job that could support me, and you know that the girls were in school, and it was just, you know, it was just such a hard, hard time, and it was probably one of the hardest times

of my life. And so, you know, after a lot of reflection during that time, I feel like I had allowed the religion to put me in a cage. It's sort of it sort of made me have like a

learned helplessness, so to speak. I had not really been true to myself or I didn't really nurture the talents or passions within me, and so I ended up starting to deconstruct much of the religion that I had been you know, that was instilled in me from church of all of those years, and you know, we had been surrounded by the same people, and our children were growing up together, and you know, I had served in countless ways,

helping children, keeping children, making meals for people, sure, painting a home that got flooded, praying for people, praying for the community, visiting people in the hospital. You know, I was trying to be a good example and just you know, denying myself and serving others. But you know, when I look back, it was often to the neglect of my own family, you know. And I wasn't doing those things necessarily for the

purpose of getting anything in return. But I always had deeply believed that proverb that says he who waters will himself be watered. So it's like, for years I believed, Okay, you know, I'm doing these things, you know, as unto God, and if I ever have a need, then you know, it'll come back to me in some sort of way. You know. It's like I believed I was planting those seeds. Well, so when we were still attending church just before our separation, and in my spirit,

I just began to feel so restless over the rituals of religion. I was forty two years old, and I began questioning, you know, what are we doing? What are we really doing here? Why do we do what we do? And it was a time when the churches were changing from the traditional ways to like the modern day music fest you know. I mean, it was in that transitory period, and so I began feeling like,

I just I can't do this anymore. And there was another couple that we spent a lot of time with, and I was really good friends with the wife, and they started feeling the same way. And it's like we were just starting to question everything. And I feel like my husband he just got to the point where he couldn't take it anymore, and so he basically escaped the whole situation just by bolting, you know. I mean, it was sort of like a midlife crisis. And as I said at the time,

it was very hard. But now I don't blame him for it at all, because you know, I mean, you know, even though it was hard, I think he was just trying to survive, you know, he was just trying to, you know, do something fulfilling. And you know, I mean I would never recommend for two people who weren't really compatible or

loved each other to stay together. I mean it's all almost like you end up creating a toxic situation when there's you know, when you can't when you're just not together, you know what I mean, absolutely understand what you're saying. I'm going through that personally, so I know exactly what you're talking about. It's hard because you feel the guilt of sure, you feel like the children down. Of course that's right, and it's the right thing to do.

You know, divorce is not right according to the you know, the Bible. So but anyway, I mean, even though it was hard at the time, now I don't blame him for doing that. And you know, the other thing that happened was the fact I felt totally abandoned by the church and by the people that you know, we had been close to all of those years. I literally just felt like I became invisible, and that

was so painful. I did have a small handful of people who I felt care for me despite you know, going through the divorce, and they checked on me and they encouraged me, but my life completely changed. I had to go back to school, you know, I couldn't. I couldn't get a job. I applied for so many but I hadn't been in the job market, you know, in close to twenty years, and so, I mean, I really felt the pressure and it was scary. But so I

started. I worked part time while I went to school, and I really completely dropped out of that church and I've never returned. And eventually I lost touch with a handful of those friends. But I really felt the need to distance myself so that I could fully follow who I was without the influence of anyone. And it was liberating and it was one of the best things that I did. Whew. So so fast forward a little bit. I am

a firm believer in emotional intelligence and well being. I believe that, you know, early on, we should address any of our own unresolved childhood traumas

before connecting with the life partner. And I think it's important to take personal responsibility to learn financial concepts, you know, spend focused time on learning things about principles and cash flow and passive income, you know, like spend your early adulthood years with people who are like minded in the ways of financial freedom because more than likely, you know, parents didn't know to teach these things and kids don't learn them in school. But there's so many people who've been

successful and you could learn from those people, you know. And another thing is just getting started, Just get started doing something, because you learn by trying and by making mistakes, and then you make that mistake and then you start over and you learn what you did wrong, and you know, it's just you just it's the learning process and you can't do it without just jumping

in to something that's right. So if I could just touch on something real quick as you made some two really good points, is you know, as we get older, we realize how we should have done things, whether it be dealing with emotional trauma or learning the things like fiscal responsibility and all these things that they do not teach you in school. And that's if you listen to my other podcast, people know my passion is taking education back from the

government because it is the biggest let down. We send children to school for thirteen years and that they don't really come out in some cases, they come out worse many states right now or not even requiring. I'm talking to Oregon folks right now. Your children don't have to pass reading, writing, and arithmetic to graduate right now, So they set the standards low and they don't really teach some of these things like that they should be teaching in school.

But again, you're right, as we get older, we realize and we wish we did things in a different manner, and then we try to share them with their children, and then they do the same thing we did when we were their years old. Whatever. Dad, I know, right, because when you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, you know it's exactly that's exactly right. And it's painful to watch, but I guess you have to just you know, let them be who they are and learn too,

you know, the hard wady learn from their own mistakes. But it's definitely hard to watch them go through that, absolutely, especially like myself. I went through it myself, and you're like, I did it. I'm trying to save you the pain and suffering exactly, But it's exactly right, that's what you do at that age. Yeah, and you know another thing about the school, you know, you said thirteen years but it's like it's almost

like that's just enough time to brainwash people. And it's it's like they want to they want to brainwash us as youngsters so that we will become loyal taxpayers. It's like they're just you know, they're they're popping us out to be loyal taxpayers. You know, the middle class. Just go get a job, get an education, get a job so that you can be a loyal taxpayer. And you know, if you're if you get stuck into that,

it's hard to get out. It's just so hard to get out and spend your whole life, you know, trying to retire, you know, put money in a four oh one K that could possibly be deducted by half if something happens in the in the market. You know. I mean, it's just crazy. It's like early on, we just need to learn how to think out of the box. And there's plenty of people that we can learn from. But yeah, that's those are really good points. So also just

another thing I loved. I really loved being creative. I love making things updating old furniture pieces. I love being a cook, you know, And I and I did mention that, you know, I love Gordon Ramsey and I'm like him and I actually they they came to Memphis one time with Master Chef. They were taking applications, you know, and I actually submitted to be on mayor and I made it through the third round and so that was exciting. But but anyway, I don't think the timing just wasn't right for

me. But that was that was okay. But one day I'm gonna I'm gonna meet Gordon Ramsey. I'd love to. But so anyway, I'm currently a pro sales rep for Sherwin Williams Okay, And so you know, the whole thing is just fun, you know, like renovating and you know, updating a home and all of those things. It's just so fun, you know, the whole process of it all. But I actually rep for the products inside of Low's. So I have eight Lows stores that that I that

I work with. I work with the stores trying to help them sell paint to their contractors. So, you know, just shout out, because I don't think very many people are aware that Low's has got Sherwin paint reps. So we're here and no matter where you are in the country, you know, Lowe's has got a Sherwin paint rip. Cain't rep go check it out. But so, okay, here's here's I guess the heart of the discussion.

So the notion of the flat Earth completely caught me by surprise. One day, as I was scrolling through TikTok, Haleb appeared on my feed and whatever it was that he said got my attention and I was completely drawn in. I think it was something about the flight patterns. And after that I was caught for hours watching one video after another, but immediately it resonated with

me as truth. I found the whole concept fascinating. I watched the videos about how the Sun and Moon revolve around the Earth, and it made perfect

sense. There was another video that has since been removed, but the guy was explaining he showed a map of the flat Earth, and he was explaining the seasons and how the sun and moon are going in a circular motion and they progress inward closer to the North Pole for about six months, and then the rotation spreads outward for about six months, and so you know, that's

kind of how we get the different season. It's January through December. So I had so this this explanation resolved a mystery I had always categorized in my life of Okay, this is something I need to file under. This is not explainable. You know. It's like it was, you know, the Bible verse where you know, Joshua told the sun and the moon to stand still. That's right, And you know, I remember so many pastors trying to explain that, and it's just like, wait a minute, that didn't

that doesn't make sense because we revolved around the sun. How can the sun stand still? But you know I never could, I never could resolve that, and so, like I said, I just filed away. Okay, one of these days truth will reveal all and it awaits sense. And so so anyway, when I heard that about the sun and the moon revolving around, I was like, oh my god, that's it. You know,

that's that's how it. That's that's it. That's the answer. So also there are verses about the foundations of the Earth and it, and it always puzzled me when I would come across those verses. It made no sense because around ball does not have a foundation. And then you know, okay, there's the fact that water always finds its level and it and it would just be impossible to contain water on a ball. You know, wonder needed for

that, It needs a container and the Antarctica provides that. Yeah, and it's just you know, it's just shocking how how you know again, it's it's the brainwashing you know that begins at kindergarten even before that, and about the Solar system and the planets and the whole thing. So then there's verses about the firmament where water was separated from water, and you know, I always again read those verses with speculation like, wait, how can that does

make sense? Based on what science teaches us? That makes sense? And so you know, so the flat earth makes perfect sense when you're talking about that. And then even just the shape of the rainbows, you know, and how the water. I guess the light is refracted through the water and

it makes that bow shape. And then came across videos about you know, I guess I always had it in my mind that the satellites that were orbiting around the Earth, you know, were showing you know, that they were connecting all the internet, you know, the Wi Fi, the communication, you know, all of the things. But then you know, I'll find out, no, it's actually cables at the bottom of the ocean. Of the Internet is connected by cable. I was, I was, I was

just so stunned, and I was like, that makes perfect sentence. So then I came across videos about, you know, the the Challenger astronauts, you know, perhaps they're still alive, and that was that was just mind boggling to me. I mean, I remember watching that, you know, the Challenger take off. I mean, what was it, nineteen eighty six something like that. I think it was January of eighty six, and you know, I mean I remember just feeling horrified when that thing exploded in the

sky and it was just you know. But then, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I guess it's a conspiracy theory that they may still be alive, but I mean I think it's possible. Well at least you'd have to say, what are the odds of six of the seven astronuts having twins? Just that number in itself, is you really have to question

it? Just a coincidence? Yeah, it's so bizarre. So all of these things led me to questions about our little visit to the moon in nineteen sixty nine, and what has it been fifty four years since we've tried that again? After watching all of the content about NASA. You might could say that I was apolloed. Well, you know what I mean, I was appalled. I was appalled at all of this. I mean, the logo itself, NASA contains the tongue of a serpent. Really, and then the

Hebrew meaning of the word NASA means to deceive. Okay, it's bizarre. Yeah, it's just so bizarre, but it makes perfect sense. And then you know, I just I really became an obsessed about the content about the moon trip too, and just examining those videos, I mean, okay, yeah, really, how can we believe that that flimsy little thing made it through the atmosphere? Right? Most of it was aluminum. And it's funny because I'm sure you probably maybe you did, maybe didn't. But as you're

telling, you're telling the story. Every time one of our guests come on and tell the story over again. I remember personally the wide range of emotions I had. At first, I was like, yourself, huh, that's interesting, And then you know, two days and no sleep later, you've been you see the world differently. But at the same time, like you said, you're appalled, You're you're like, first of all, I couldn't believe I fell for it, because even most of my life I questioned things

like how does water stick to a ball? And satellites and many of the things that you have spoke about already. And then you go to a point where you are mad and disgusted, and for myself a little bit like, man, I can't believe I fell for that. Yeah, exactly, I mean exactly right. And then, and you probably know about this. I know I'm not really giving any new flat earth shattering revelations, but it was just kind of my process of how I, you know, how I came

to really believe in this. But the thing about the you know, Bermuda Triangle, it's insane. I remember being so afraid of that, and you know, thinking, oh my god, I would never want to fly over that. It's weird. It's some kind of vortex, some magnetic vortex that will suck you in and you'll disappear. Well, okay, maybe it was NASA who propagated the phony narrative to make people afraid because it's the graveyard of

where all their rockets go because they can't penetrate the firmament. I mean, it makes perfect sense and then what about the southern ice wall that surrounds and contains the the earth again and directionally north, south, east, and west all still exist. And you know, I remember like just seeing this first,

like an image of it. It reminded me of you know, the Game of Thrones, and you know the writers evidently some of them believe in the flat earth, because you know they had that piece in there about the ice wall yep. And so then I had this fate and memory when I was like in elementary school, probably couldn't have been more than ten or eleven years old, and my mother had purchased a set of Funk and Wagnaal encyclopedias,

and I just remember looking at that and studying the globe. But I remember the word Gleason, Gleason's world map, and so it was it was a circle map of the Earth. I mean, I vainly remember that. I wish we still had them. I mean, my mother is eighty years old. And I called her and I said, Hey, what happened to those encyclopedias? Do we still have those? And and she was like,

oh, I don't know, I can't remember. You know, maybe they're at the house i' sold, you know, I don't know, but anyway, I maybe they'll turn up one day, but I would love to look at that again. But I just remember looking at the continents and just really studying, you know, my young mind was really studying that map and the water and you know how it was just so massive and I was just trying

to grasp it all. And I think later, you know, we were I was with my class in the school library, and you know, I was looking at other books about the globe and the continents, and it seemed like, I don't know if you can picture I'm talking about, but it seemed like somebody like cut the globe and just kind of laid it out flat

on those pages. But it was different, you know, it looked a little bit different than the flat earth Gleason's map, right, And so you know, I didn't know how to verbalize or process that or question the differences. But again, it was just something that kind of tucked away in my heart, you know, to ponder over the years. And then of course the testimony of Richard Bird and that he actually can mark confirmed that there was land beyond the ice wall. I mean, what are the you know,

implications of that. That's just it makes my mind explode, you know, yeah, I truly go ahead, No, I'm sorry. I was just gonna say I always thought curious of Admiral Bird, just because they allowed that presentation. And then you hear the story, which if I remember, I'll have to go back and double check. But I think is maybe a sun shared his journal and he talked about how his vessel was like guided in by some other entity, and they spoke and things like that. I always wondered

if that was a diversion from the truth, because I'm not sure. I know, there's a lot of talk about is there is there things beyond the ice wall? I'm not sure because I think it would take another sun. And you know, obviously the further way you get from the Sun, the colder things get. And I believe there's a firmament. So now whether or not the firmament go, we don't know how far obviously that goes out. What we do know is that they lie about everything. So are there continents

that we don't know about? Probably is there land beyond the ice wall? I mean we I don't know. I guess it would be hard to say, because once again, the further away you get, the colder. It gets that that would be interesting, that that would be tough. Yeah, but who's to say that there's not more suns and moons? You know, maybe connected. I don't know. I mean it just you know, the possibilities are endless, and how could we I think one day we might know.

But it's just so interesting to think about. Yeah, and unfortunately that will allow us down there to look for ourselves. Yeah, that's that's true. So I truly went down the rabbit hole on flat Earth, and I'm glad I did because it has opened my mind. And one of the one of my favorite James Dresden quotes has been this. This has been one of my favorite quotes for years because you know, remember, I'm an Aquarius and

I'm off the wall. I'm very different than most people, and you know, I've really believed in a lot of things that is just not the norm, you know. I mean, I'm willing to examine something. But the quote is a true initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but the world

wasn't flat. When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous in its speaker, a raving lunatic. So I have been a raving lunatic in the past. But think about that when you maybe I don't even know what year, fourteen hundreds, maybe up to that time, the masses believed that the world was flat, and then all of a sudden somebody comes in to say, no, it's actually round. And so you know, the people back then who

said it was round, they were just they were crazy. Sure, they were looked at as crazy. So it got me to thinking, honestly that the belief in a spherical earth has only existed for a little over five hundred years, which is approximately seven or eight generations. And so, like I said, prior to that, the masses believed it was flat. So actually we should make a new quote representing our generation. Don't you think that would

be a good idea? Oh? I I completely agree. So I think now we could say the initial shock caused by a truth is directly linked to the depth of belief in the corresponding life. It is both the idea of a flat earth that unsettles people and the revolution I mean the revelation that it's

not round, a belief that has perpetuated for over five hundred years. When intricate lies have been ingrained in the collective narrative for at least seven generations, the truth may appear incredibly absurd, and those who assert it might be dismissed as certifiably insane. So that's I think that's what we are, George, We're certififiably insane. Yeah, and you're you're correct that statement by Dresden James.

When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually, which you know, we like, they like to use the term boiling the frog, and that's what they do. Their plans are generational to the masses over generations. Excuse me, the truth will seem utterly preposterous, and it's speaker Arabian lunatic. And the version you did just there just really speaks to the subject of flat earth. And like you said, you know, if the Earth is say six thousand years old, for the first fifty five hundred years,

mankind believed that we lived on a flat plane. You can all the civilizations believed at a flat earth that was enclosed. Yeah, And of course, like the fifteen hundreds roll around, and Copernicus and a lot of people they

start to implement the changes. And I think, honestly, and this is just my belief that Martin Luther, while obviously he was passionate about the ninety five thesis, I think he was also very strongly opinionated against Copernicus and the things he was trying to do. Because if you really break it down, in my opinion, helio centrism goes against the Bible. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. So here here's another couple

of quotes I'd like to share. Yeah, one Aristotle said, nothing is more challenging than the ability to study and debate and think through a concept without immediately accepting or rejecting it. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. So there's another one like it if Scott Fitzgerald said, the truest sign of intelligence is the ability to entertain two contradictory ideas simultaneously. So we would be wise to consider that every

issue has at least two sides, and sometimes three or more. If you've only researched one side of an issue and have completely rejected the other sides without any consideration. To me, that is the highest form of willful ignorance. I couldn't have said it any better myself. And they have created a society

that they encourage you to immediately take an opinion without thought. So, for example, you go on Twitter and you see a quote that says X, Y and Z, and you immediately you've been taught to in the social media realms to either like or dislike that opinion without taking the time to research it. And the two quotes by Aristotle and Scott Fitzgerald are completely on point.

It is if you really and we're all guilty of this to a certain extent, especially I've been in the truth community for a while now, and there's certain subjects that flat Earth being one of them, that are taboo, and when you bring them up, some people's belief system in certain things automatically put up a shield and they will back away and they refuse to look at certain

subjects. And you really need to be willing to entertain everything because over the last four years on my other podcast, I have proved that almost every major event in our history has at a minimum been partlight in part truth. So no matter how it affects your belief system. If you really want to learn and become well rounded inside and the cranium, you really need to take the

time and research things for yourself and come to your own conclusion. Yeah, and it's I mean, we've come to a time where, you know, it's hard to know what the truth is. I mean, there's so much on social media now, and there's so much you know, just people trying to scam you, and human trafficking. I mean, the list goes on and on, and it's hard to know the truth because it's coming at us. These thoughts and ideas are coming at us like rapid fire shots, you

know. And so even even like you said, you know, even with the onset of a worldwide plandemic and the you know, pushing the vaccines, you know, it's like, you know, any you know, we we didn't have time to think that through. We were just pressed and forced or made it was, we were made to feel like we got to do this. We've got to do this, you know, We've got to stop this pandemic. We've got we must be vaccinated, you know, And I oh, I swear I think that was going to be the hell that I died

on because I was not going to do it. I was not going to comply to that. And you know, I mean it's frightening to take a stand like that, to to you know, to take a bold stand like that. But you know, anytime I feel pushed or pressed to make a decision, the answer is no. I mean, I'm sorry, it's just no, I've gotta I gotta process that, you know what I mean. Amen? So, okay, So here's here's another thing we we we truly do need to know what we believe and why we believe it for sure.

And so here's here's another little topic that I've stumbled upon, and it's these ancient trees. I sent you some pictures of it, and I don't know, have you seen anything about that? Yeah, it's come up before, and I think one of them. Was it in Wyoming, the big one, the Devil's Tree or something. M Yes, yeah, I certainly have. And you're right, it does look like just a huge tree stump. Yeah. So that's just another another element, you know, of of it.

And I stumbled upon this this guy. You know, actually, while I was in the Flat Earth rabbit hole, I met myself there in the Ancient Tree rabbit Hole, and I found this guy called Hangman eleven twenty eight dash too, that's his username on YouTube, and his content is incredible. He is showing that much of what we believe to be mountain ranges or mountains

are actually fossilized tree stumps. And if you look at the lines in the formations of the Grand Canyon, it really appears to be remnants of a giant tree forest. I mean, there's so many that you can look up, and you know, the Navajo Tribal Park, the bad Lands National Park, the Garden of the Gods, so many of those places it just looks like

fossilized trees. And then there was another video where this guy pulls up the Google Earth and he scrolls in zooms in on Madagascar to show areas that looks like remnants of giant tree stumps that are eight miles in diameter, and then you can also see what appears to be like giant fossilized branches and leaves. One even commented that he believes the Earth is like a giant root system,

which makes sense, you know, I mean, it makes sense. We you know, we have no idea actually what the ancient Earth was prior to the flood, you know. But there's references in Ezekiel about a massive tree that overstretches the forest and it towers into the sky with thick hop foliage. And I'm sure there's more references. But we know that there were giants on Earth before, up to nine foot tall, weighing approximately six hundred paces.

I mean, we don't know everything for certain, but there's just still so much mystery, but there's definitely clues, you know, left behind, and

it's all just so interesting to me. So is it your line of thinking that pre flood, everything including the people and the foliage, everything was just much bigger, and then when God reset the Earth after the flood, things were made at a smaller scale, possibly, I mean, because everything changed, you know, there was I've read before that like the oxygen levels in the Earth was much greater, you know, prior to the flood, and you know, I mean dinosaurs, you know. I mean I think definitely

the Earth went through some kind of cataclysmic change. And I mean we don't have you know, the rich oxygen you know now like we did like it was back then, right, I mean, have you heard that before? I have. Yeah, yeah, so I mean I do, I do. It's just it's just all of these things are just very interesting to think about. So it's you know, it leads me back, like to the Bible and how I arrived at my current beliefs. So yes, there's sixty

six authors over hundreds of years of time. From what we know, the Gospels were not written until twenty or sixty years after the death of Jesus. So if you think about that, I mean, could you really remember all of the details from something that you experienced from twenty or sixty years ago. I mean, that would be that would be hard. I mean, And my point in saying that is we just don't have all of the details, and maybe God intended it that way. I think there's so much more to

the story that we will find out one day. The written Bible has caused so much division since its existence. I mean, you know, I think there's probably over forty five thousand denominations in the world, and you know, I mean a lot of those denominations, all of those you could say division rather than denomination, because it's basically where people don't agree on the interpretation, and so we've you know, formed all these different denominations, but honestly,

the bottom line is love, love God, love your neighbor. Period. You know, I'm going by memory here, but you know, as the Disciples in the Book of Acts were full of the Holy Spirit, it says they went out and they turned the world upside down in a two year period. Well they did that without a Bible. They didn't carry around any printed paperwork, you know, and they didn't tell people, hey, you need

to study your Bible, you need to have your quiet time. No, they just simply let the fullness of love lead them and it was pretty simple. And you know, another thing, I know I'm probably pushing on some controversial things, but it's okay in your beliefs. Yeah, it's another thing was the controversy about tithing. Should we tithe should we not? And in my opinion, the answer to that is a big, fat no. Tithing was initiated back in the Old Testament when there was a tabernacle in the wilderness

and later a temple. The twelve tribes were all given their portion of the land, except for the Levites. They were to manage the temple. People brought their tithes into the temple as the atonement of sin on behalf of their families. But it wasn't necessarily money. It was the tithe was brought based on what they had. For example, if they owned cattle, if they had ten cattle, then one out of every cattle was brought to the temple. If they had turtle doves, they brought one of those. If they

had a garden, they brought a tenth of their crops. If they had herbs and spices, they brought a tenth of that, and so on, and all of these miscellaneous things that were brought were sacrifices to God. They fed the levites, and it was also to care for the poor orphans and widows. The Jews observed those six hundred and thirteen laws for generations until Jesus arrived on the scene. He ended the days of following those laws and said

that those laws would now be written on our hearts. Those laws were no longer to be strictly followed. He broke it down into a simple statement, again, love God, love your neighbor. And this subject became a heated debate in the Book of Acts. Do they continue to follow the old law or do they not? Do men still need to be circumcised or do they not? They were, I mean they were early, they were in they

didn't know, they didn't know. They were trying to figure everything out, and finally they reached a consensus that note, this is a new work that God has done, and we no longer have to follow the old law. And it's so freeing to understand this. It was a turning point for me in my opinion. The bodern day churches are more like businesses, and in a weird way, they are trying to say that they are the temple,

but that's not really true. Our body is the temple. So you know, the pressure on the congregation to tithe, bring your tithe to the storehouse so a curse won't fall on you. It's kind of like a fear tactic in those buildings are nothing but a liability. They cost so much to maintain, and in most cases they're empty five days out of the week. I mean, would we pay a high mortgage to only live in a house for two days a week. No. I definitely believe that we should be givers.

All of that money given to churches should be stopped. I think instead, each family who normally tithes to the church. Why not give to the people nearby where they live, the people in need, the poor, orphans and widows in their own neighbor goods and give consistently, just like you would a tithe every week. They are the most vulnerable group in society. And I have been in that boat, and I'm still in that boat to a great degree. I mean, I know a lot of single women in this

same position. You know, they've been through a divorce whatever reason, and they're now alone. And it's a very scary place to be, especially when I think about over the course of seventeen years, we were in a church and we were regular tithers, and over time we probably gave seventy five thousand dollars seventy five thousand dollars, and it could have been money for our own

family or our own children. It could have been used, you know, for investing, or you know, to help secure my future as I age. And so I would definitely encourage people to research all of that, you know, don't just take what I'm saying, but look into it and see, you know, see how you feel led on those things. And it's it's heavy topics, but I don't know, it's like how can you really you know, serving the world. I mean, how can you truly do

that from a good place if you're not taking care of yourself first? Do you know what I mean? I mean it kind of goes back to what we were. It touches on what we were saying earlier about our kids. I mean, we really need to come from a place of strength in ourself and emotional wellness, financial stability, you know, before we can really help anyone else, do you know what I mean? Just like you're on a plane, get right, the oxygen falls and you got to put yours on

before you help others. That's kind of what you're You have to take care of yourself and make sure your house is in order before you go outside. Exactly, Yeah, exactly. And so if I could interject just for a second, yeah, before I forget that this is an email I get secondly to to how do we fix how do we wake people up? But people say often to me, and I think, just off the top of my head, most of the people who send this type of email are either Gen

X or baby boomers that say that they don't connect with churches today. And because like you said, many of the churches have, it's a nutrient, it's live music, and it's casual. And again I'm not judging people like how you worship that your thing, but what I'm saying is a lot of people have a hard time just feeling comfortable at a church. Then I also have a large group of people who love their church and feel that fellowship in

person with people is important to them. And actually, you know, when you look around at the world today and you kind of realize where we are, it is kind of good to know people in person in your community who you can trust and who can have your back of things do go sideways at the same time, like I'm going back and forth all over this, but you have people like Joel Olstein and the guy in Georgia kreufflow Dollar. You see their homes and their planes, and their net worth is in the hundreds

of millions of dollars. And then that's when you say to yourself, what are we doing here? If you're truly serving God, you should be humble, I mean extremely humble, and that money should be going outward, not inward. And that is actually a conversation I had with a local pastor because they do a lot of internal things, And I said to him, why aren't we doing these things externally? Why aren't we like they did a monthly barbecue, Why aren't we cooking up food and taking it to where the needy

are and saying, hey, free burgers. And then when the people come up to grab free food, you have a conversation with that person and you know, share some wisdom knowledge, and you know, ask him where they are spiritually. That that should be the goal. But what I've seen, at least here, and again this is not an overall general criticism of churches. Everybody has their own way of doing things. But what I have seen

is churches should be focused externally helping people. And when you see, I had a listener send me a picture three or four months ago of a new Catholic church that had just been built. He's a contractor, and I think he said the total bill was nine million dollars. Oh, nine million dollars. And then that's when he say, what are we really doing here? I also get emails from people who hold church services in their front yards and tents, and that's really where we need to get back to. If you,

if you really want to get to a reformation two point zero. Don't start by trying to find a loan for a quarter of a million dollars to buy an old building, because the church is the people, not the building. Exactly right, exactly right, And you know you mentioning Joel Osteing and pastors like him, you know, it's it's basically it's the leadership of you know, our government too. I mean it's you know, there's corruption everywhere, and as as the leaders go, so go the people. And you

know, this is a side note, but there's a representative. Your name is Katie Porter, and boy, she's making a difference. And she is wearing these these politicians and CEOs, she is wearing them out, you know about their you know, multi million dollar salary, and y'all to check her out sometime. She posts some videos on TikTok. But anyway, exactly right, and you know, I think, you know, it's like I said before, love God, love, love your neighbor. It's pretty simple.

And you know, the poor orphans and widows are all around us, and you know it's like why not just be willing, you know, not just what she said is great, I mean, you know, providing a meal or something and trying to talk to somebody and really you just want to share it. You just want to love them, because love is what gets people,

you know, love is what gets a person's attention. But you know, why not you know, pay pay a light bill, pay a house note, pay a you know, do something very practical for those struggling single moms, you know, or you know, aging women, because like I said, you know, we're the vulnerable ones in society honestly. And then another thing, you know, it's like, you know, the church is

the light of the world. But what's so shocking to realize is you know here, you know, we're of course in the Bible Belt, but here there is literally a church on every corner. Sure and if there, if it's the light of the world, they're failing because society is not getting better, it's getting darker. And you know, I think people who attend the buildings regularly kind of developed this mindset that, well, you know, I've done my service, I've checked the box, I've served God this week.

But all the while they're neglecting the world around them, you know, and it's just we're just asleep. I mean, you know, it's like you said, we're just asleep. But you know that that leads me to another another point. So you know you're talking about you're going to visit Memphis here pretty soon? Yep, And yeah, Elvis, who graceland? But Memphis is actually the opposite of a graceland. And you know, sadly, right now, Memphis, Tennessee is number one in crime in the entire United States

of America. It's actually pretty pretty frightening. So I'm writing a book. I'm writing a book about about it, you know, about the crime in Memphis. And I wanted to give you a little bit of backstory. So a couple of years ago, I was living with a friend of mine temporarily, and my oldest daughter had bought a house in Memphis against my better judgment, you know, I mean, and my other daughter was living downtown in

some apartments and a lord against my judgment. I was so afraid for them, but you know, they're grown, so I don't I can't really dictate what they do, and the only thing I can do is worry, you know, and I'm good at worrying about that. But so my oldest daughter mentioned, she said, hey, Mom, why don't you just buy a house near me? And so I had taken a promotion with my job and I really needed my own space so I could set up an office. So

that's what I did. I bought a house near her, even though even though I kind of had some checks in my spirit about it. The houses are like seventy years old, so I did some updates on it before I moved in, and the house was truly adorable. I mean, it really was. But the very first night I moved in, I heard gunshots, heard gunshots, and immediately I was just nauseated by regret of moving there.

I mean, I set up a ring camera notifications on my phone, and to my utter shock and dismay, there was a hot bed of crime all around me. I followed the Memphis Police Facebook page and the Stop Memphis Crime Facebook page, and I literally became paralyzed by fear. It is no joke. You can literally get shot and killed driving down the street. There are multiple shootings daily and for the most part, these thugs are in control of

Memphis and they know it. They absolutely take whatever they want. They always carry guns. They canvas in the neighborhoods every single night in packs of four. You know, there's all kinds of videos, you know, from the ring cameras on that they break in cars and they'll take they'll take everything. They'll steal the car, and they'll race up and down the interstate doing ninety miles an hour, weaving in and out of the traffic. It's scary.

Crime occurs morning, noon, and night, it doesn't matter. Last year, after Thanksgiving dinner, my oldest daughter and her boyfriend were awakened by a notification on their phone. A thug was under their car port trying to get into her car. When the light came on, it did not stop him. He arrogantly looked at the camera and smiled, wow, Yeah, looked at it, smile. They were terrified. You know, they were in the house kind of watching it unfold, and you know, they called the

police and the guy ended up leaving. But still, I mean, you know, you get awakened to that at one o'clock in the morning, it's terrifying because you don't know what they're going to do. So the next thing that happened my other daughter, who lived in a downtown apartment, her car was stolen by five thugs who jumped the fence. It happened about twenty minutes or so after she got home from work and this made my blood bowl. She had literally just paid her car off and you know all of that to

say that. You know, Memphisy, it's the number one, number one in crime for the United States. So you know, I just it's you you can't even imagine. I mean literally the stuff that goes on. What did you start to notice that the city started to really take a turn for the worst. Was it twenty twenty or was it really far before that? Well, I mean Memphis has always been known for the crime, but you're you know, probably after COVID for sure, you know when that hit.

I mean I think it's probably not. It's not just happening in Memphis. It's all over the country. Memphis is number one, and so yeah, I mean it's it's it's very unnerving to see. I mean I was I was out on a call and passed a vehicle that had you know, those AKA rifles hanging out of the window, you know, I mean they passed me and I was just like, oh my god. I mean, it's so it's so unnerving. I mean, you you have to keep your head on a swivel, and you know, if anybody tells you, oh,

it's not that bad. You just have to be careful. Don't listen to that person because they don't They clearly don't know the facts. It is one hundred percent dangerous. I mean, it's there's so many things I could tell you about the crime. I mean, it's posted on the Memphis Police website and the Stop Memphis Crime. It's posted just the horror. And there's been police officers shot. I think last year there were five police officers shot toward

the end of the year. And I mean just daily, there's break ins. There's mob break ins, you know at the retail stores. Yep, they just take whatever they want. Yeah, And so I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh yeah, go ahead. I was let to say. And I get because in twenty twenty they would magnify if a police officer did something. And I'm here to tell you I was in Bagdad during the surge. And when you get shot at every single day, people get on edge.

And maybe when things happened, maybe your escalation of force doesn't carry through because you do, especially when you see your buddies get shot, like the policemen have seen their buddies get shot. So things escalate. And if and here's the thing. You know, people love to pen blame on a certain entity.

And while the government and education everything has failed society. At the end of the day, they've destroyed community and they don't allow parents to parent, and the education system tells them to focus on individualism and that everybody's a winner. At just the fallacies of the last thirty years, all of these things permeating together have really caused the decline of our society. Yeah, I agree with that one. And you know also, I mean just there's corruption.

I mean, they're you know, we've touched on that. But have you heard of Chris Ann Hall? Have you ever heard of her? Not off the top of my head. No, oh, oh, you'll you'll love her. So, you know, she she's put out some education but a couple of movies called non Compliant. That was the first one and the second one was non compliant to the sheriff. And so she is going around the country at trying to educate people on just the foundation of the constitution. And

okay, let me ask you this. I'm just going to see, if you know, so, who is who's got the most authority? Is it the federal government or the state governments? Well, according to the Constitution, the federal government is in charge of everything listed in the first nine amendments, and then the tenth Amendment clearly states if it's not covered in the Constitution, it clearly goes to the state, which it should. The states should have most of the power. And again, if it's not in the first nine,

the state covers everything else. Yeah. Well, so she's going around teaching about you know, basically, the federal government was formed out of the first thirteen colonies or states. They it was birth and so they were not supposed to ever have an overreaching arm over the state constitutions and so so anyway, she said, but over time, you know, of course, the federal government has taken you know, they've taken more ground and taken more ground,

and it's the boiling frog effect. Nobody really has noticed it, and so a lot of people they don't understand. They think, if the federal government says something, then we have to obey it without you know, without hesitation. But she says, no, that's not the case. And she you know, she explained the history so back. I can't remember the name.

It was a king. It was a king in England. Can't remember the name but anyway, so he had you know, they were called shires, not counties, they were called shire and the king had reeves who did his bidding and whatever the king wanted, then the reeve would you know, carry that out. Well later on, I guess it was during the Magna Carta, and I think she mentioned it was article sixty one where it changed. It changed, and so you know, some of our founding documents came

from that. But it was like the reeve became an advocate for the people, and he did the bidding, the bidding of the people, you know, like against the crown or whatever if need be. And so he represented the people, and so some of our founding documents kind of you know, came from that. And so basically, you know, she's saying that the sheriff came from those two words. It was emerging of those two words.

The sheriff actually has more authority than the federal government one hundredth penden I have said that in a nauseum, that that your sheriff is the most power. Griff has the ability to tell the FBI to pound cend That's how powerful. That is, exactly right. So you know, you know when all of

these things were happening during COVID. She she tells some stories about that, and I think one of them is on that second series that she did the non Compliant to but I think, you know, I can't remember all the details. But anyway, the sheriff stood up to the federal government and said, you're not going to shut our church down. You're not going to shut this down. Get out of my county. And so basically they had to leave. And you know, we need sheriffs like that who've got the backbone

enough. And they're not, you know, they're not what do you want to say that they haven't given in to the corruption. You know, they're not willing to take a check on expense of the people and you know, the constituents. I mean, so there's a lot to that. But anyway, she's put out so much good information. But so the book I'm writing, really it's just it's just I think it's just been a way for me to vent my frustrations, you know, over and my anger over what's happening

in Memphis. It's just, you know, it's crazy. So of course the setting is in Memphis, and it could be considered a fiction, a fantasy, a mystery thriller or even a drama, and the storyline features a group of friends who are tired of living in fear because of this crime, and they come up with the plan to do something about it, and they

also figure out along the way why there's so much crime. I don't want to give too much away, but it's it's really I mean, I've gotten I started it over a year ago, and I mean I've only been able to work on it, you know, in bits and pieces, but I'm kind of getting toward the end of it now. I'm trying to wrap it up. But it definitely has elements of the flow at Earth in it, and you know, it's just it's just a way to, you know,

like I said, combat the crime. And I don't know, give give people something else to think about, because it's maddening, you know, and even I want to even I hinted there about Chris Chris Anne Hall, because

we need an uprising. There needs to be an uprising in the land, and you know, things need to change, and you know, I just don't see how you know, it's going to continue on like this, I mean, but we definitely need to make those contacts and we need to have like minded people, you know, who we can who we can collaborate with, and you know, when if things do get bad or go south or

whatever whatever happens. I mean, I don't know, I think anything is possible, but you know, I would love to, you know, come back when I finished the book. It's it's gonna be called Nemesis, and you know, I would love to come back maybe and talk about that when I get it published, and maybe you could give me a shout out for

that. Sure, I've got a I've got a very very dear friend who's been reading it and she's like, you know, she she's telling me she loves it, and she said, I think I think you're on something here. So that's exciting. I mean, I appreciate that encouragement, you know, and you know, as I said before, you know, kind of being in this vulnerable position, you know, getting older and being alone.

It's you know, I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to do something and I don't, you know, just to kind of help my future, you know what I mean? Right, absolutely, And that's awesome that you're because you're a creative person, so I'm sure writing gives you some peace of mind and enjoyment. At the same time, you're also raising awareness to subject that while Memphis may be number one, I think most people either near or

even into the suburbs now with the way urban sprawl is happening. Uh, there's a lot of people that are dealing with crime right now, and I think that's important that you're getting artistic enjoyment from it. But at the same

time you're raising awareness. Yeah, it's the story is pretty wild. I'm just going to tell you, it's pretty wild, and it takes a lot of unexpected twists and turns, and you know, I'm trying to really like research the Like anytime anytime I've watched that Facebook page of the police department, I'll start looking them up. I'll because it will name the you know,

the suspects or whatever. So I'll look them up on social media, and you know, I'm trying to get into their world and I'm trying to understand and you know, their mentality, and it's almost like and it's a lot of it could be no fault of their own, honestly, you know. I mean, if they were born into an environment where they only have one parent, or maybe they were putting foster or whatever. You know, you know, a lot of this initially wasn't their fault, but they have evolved

and developed in a way that's a danger to society. And it's almost like a subculture. And they have their own vernacular, and you know, if you were to read some of the communication that they have between each other, you you know, you would consider it very you know, just I don't even know the word just disgusting, you know, and trashy and but but I can see to them it's just normal. It's just normal. It's just how they communicate. And but you know, I mean, I guess people

don't communicate like that. It's kind of it's frightening, you know, it can be frightening when you hear a lot of these words and you know, the things that they're saying. But I have just found it so interesting to kind of to kind of just make it the subject of study, you know, as I'm trying to layer in different aspects of the story. Well done, Will I certainly look forward to it, And as we kind of come

into our last fifteen minutes, I do have two questions. I want to ask you if there's anything else on your list you wanted to cover, we could do that as well. I kind of want to go back to the first thirty minutes of the podcast when you had talked about how you were involved with the church and then how you've stepped away with it to where you are

today. Do you think that it's the organized religion that is a problem or do you think it's just like you said, there's forty five thousand denominations, and each denomination said their way is the right way, and there's it just

brings about so much dispute. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean I think it is the organized religion because I think you know, the modern day churches, as I touched on, I think they have you know, tried to make those church buildings like a house of worship or a you know sort of like a temple, and you know, they're expensive, the buildings. They're expensive to buy, they're expensive to maintain, you know, and then you've got you know, salaries that you have to pay for.

But but you know, I guess what I would say is, you

know, find a group of people for sure. I mean, you know, today with zoom calls and the Internet and stuff like that, meetups you could literally connect online virtually and find a group of like minded people, believers, you know what ever, you know, and it just kind of be all locally, you know, like just for example, right now, I'm renting, but you know, if I could find you know, two or three people just right here nearby and we felt the same way and we were

like minded, just think about the good we could do just right here where we are. You know, you don't really have to think far across the ocean, you know, to go do a missionary trip necessarily, but there's so much need right here among us, every everybody, where we all live. Does that make sense? Absolutely? It makes sense. And in retrospect,

like you know, I've had Pastor Odelon. If I lived even within a three hour drive of him, I would take the time every Sunday to drive to his church and worship with him, just because his message resonates so much with him. And you can tell he doesn't have a multimillion dollar building and some than that he put together and his message is clear. And the other thing is he's a true leader. And I think that's something that I've

spoken about before. If you're going to assume being a pastor that that is a huge responsibility, Yes, idiot, is when people's marriage is on the rocks and you know they come to you, the pastor, for advice, so you're literally can be the difference between what happens in their future. Just there's so much involved with it. Even for myself, I understand the responsibility.

But at the same time, you have to be willing to touch on things that may be perceived as controversial, and you should let your congregation know how you feel about it. And I think there's a lot of pastors out and again I'm not generalizing, I'm just speaking from the heart. I've been to churches where pastors are afraid to do that. You know, especially go back to twenty twenty, they should have talked about what was going on and

not avoided the churches being shut down. Nobody should have shut their churches down. And again, like I think pastor lock out of I think he's in Tennessee too, Mount Julie, Tennessee. That they kept going. And those are the preachers and pastors I have the utmost respect for who. They don't answer to man, they answer to God. And that goes full circle back to what we were talking about. Earlier with government saying which one has more

power. The truth is we get our rights from God. They're God given. The state doesn't give them to us. The federal government doesn't give them to us. We should have rules, common sense rules that everybody should follow. But like you said, this is the federal government and even does some you know, the state governments have become just monsters that you know, parasitically

suck away twenty five thirty percent of your income. You have to buy license to fish, You're not allowed to harvest your own water from the rain. It's just really really ridiculous. And you know, the Declaration of Independence, if you all take the time to read that second paragraph, it tells you if if the government becomes you know, if like it is today, you

have a responsibility. And unfortunately, I've been at this for years and people love listening to this, but most people are not willing to take any type of action to rectify the situation. Exactly exactly. And yeah, and just to add to that, you know, yeah, I mean if there's like, you know, congregation somewhere, I mean, yes, people you know want to do that. And I'm not saying it's one hundred percent wrong.

I'm not saying that, but but you know, like even Jesus, the example was he had twelve men, and I think it's it's it would be hard for one man to like be intimately connected with more than twelve men or twelve families. So it's kind of it kind of goes back to Moses, you know, where he he said, Okay, you're gonna be a ruler over ten, You're going to be a ruler over this many, you know. I mean I think it needs because you're you're right, one person cannot

give more energy than he has, you know. I mean it needs to be just like within reason, like how much how many people can you literally be in connection with, you know, and help or teach or lead or does that make sense? I mean it's but definitely I think, you know, the focus needs to be love, and you know, love, I mean that's the bottom line. Yeah, absolutely, And even if we just put that first and foremost love and personally me, I'm not I'll share my

love of Jesus Christ to others and God and the flat earth. I've taken all those walls downs because excuse me, taking all the walls down, because I realize when looking at the Bible, when looking at the world today, and just by looking at the world today, you know that we are in perilous times. So I'm at the point now where I'm not going to hide behind a wall or a mantra or a pseudonym, and I'm really going to say what I mean. Because what you're talking about before is kind of like

a domino effect. You can only personally reach so many people. But if you touch someone and you motivate them to do what you're doing, and then they touch someone and motivate them to do something, then you're really you really have a chance. But everyone has to be willing if they resonate with a message, they need to be willing to stand up on their soapbox and speak

like yourself. Right, You're putting yourself out there and saying this is what I believe, and if it resonates with somebody, someone else is going to do the same thing. So it's important to do that. Yeah, I

agree, I definitely agree. And my last question for you was, obviously you touched on it, but really, as of today, how has the flat Earth changed the way you've lived since coming upon Well, yeah, that's a good question, you know, I mean, it hasn't necessarily changed the way I live, but it's just sort of confirmed because I mean, what can we do about it anyway, If the Earth was round or if the earth, you know, the Earth is flat, there's not one thing we

can do to change it. But I think it just has uncovered or illuminated light on something that I believe we've been deceived about. And it's just another one of those things that we've been deceived about. And so, you know, it just I guess it just makes me more like I have more peace. I think it gives me more peace than Wow, Okay, that that is right. We live on a flat earth, and it makes sense. And I think the biggest thing is it just shines light on the deception.

So I don't know, for some reason, it just gives me a sense of freedom, and it just it's unlocked my mind to just think even more broader. I mean, it's like, you know, I mean just thinking about you know, God and the infinite, the infinity of Him and the possibilities and the creativeness of God. There's just so much that we don't know, and yet so much more to explore and understand, and so I don't know, it's just opened my mind and it makes me feel peaceful. That's

awesome. And by saying peaceful, that's perfect because all of the things that they, the controllers use against us, are multifaceted, but much of it is a fear factor because they want you to depend on them. I had an emailer talk to me today. Back in eighty nine, you know, we were celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall eight eight or eighty nine, whatever it was, and right the Cold War was over. We're always in some type of war, whether it's the war against COVID or the war on

terror. There's always an enemy. And like the day after the fall of the Berlin waller even the night of the broadcast, the introduction of climate change came about, so there was a new, a new fear, and of course that has been something they've been milking for for quite some time. So there's always and of course heliocentrism. At any minute, we can all be wiped out by a meteor, right an email Yeah, oh yeah, so

exactly. A heliocentrism hides God, and of course they can use it for the black the black money scheme of NASA, Like you said, the deception of hiding God, it is so many layers to it is. And you know, the average person, you know, I mean, because a lot of people still trust the government. They lean on the government, they depend on the government, and you know, a lot of people think there's no way, there's no way they would do that to us. But oh,

I think there certainly is a way. I mean, I mean, you know, COVID is a prime example of that, prime example of that, and just the push for the vaccines. And you know, I don't know if they've done any good or not. Have they prevented COVID, I don't know. Have they prevented any depths? I don't know, But I don't know. It was just the whole concept of that being forced upon us.

Yep. Absolutely. And again, if you don't have physical autonomy, if you don't have control of your own body, then your freedom's out the door. And they made that very clear. And the next time they come around with it, you know, this time they held the pressure on for a year or two and then they took their feet off of our throats. But I think the next time they run through this, they're going to have an endgame in mind. That's scary to think it really is. Yeah, I

think the next time a chip's going to be involved. But that's just my thought. Well I've thought the same thing. And you know, where can we run? Where can we hide? I mean, that's I guess that's really why we need to connect with people in our local areas who are like minded and maybe start having a plan in place of you know, place to go. I don't know, or do we just kind of sit and wait. I don't know what the answer is on that. Well famous guy his

name's Kim dot Com. He's in New Zealand and he wrote something last week that said the only if you really want to survive what's coming, you need to either move to Chile or New Zealand. And I replied, you know, there's a million replies, so we obviously didn't read mine. But this is a global what's happening is global, and there is no place to hide. And the reason we're in the position we are today is because we've run and hie, we didn't. We've never stood up, at least for the

last two hundred and fifty years. We haven't stood up and fought back against a tyrannical enemy. And if we really want to win, we should stop running and stand up for our God given rights and tell someone who just just because you call yourself the president or whatever, you don't have more rights than I do. And that's why I've kind of backed off of claiming the first Amendment. This amendment is because number one on the Constitution is an agreement between

the people and the government. And if only one side of the group is adhering to it, the people and the government completely ignores it, why do we keep citing it. We should just say, hey, this is our God given rights. Get out of our lives. But again, the trick is getting people on board. Everybody says, well, I'd love to come

and join you at the Capitol, Mr, but I gotta work. I get a big giant jams up from soccer practice, and then you know, it's just, yeah, something I've been fighting with for a long time. Yeah, and me too. I mean, you're exactly right, though, And I think that's why I've been so start up by Chris Ann Hall. And you know, I guarantee if you watch those those documentaries, it'll it's so opening. And I think I think, surely there's a remnant. Surely

there's a remnant of people who would be willing to stand up. I mean, I'd like to say that I would be, you know, I mean because I feel fire in my bones about losing our freedom. But I don't know what I can do just as one person. But I see it. I see it, and you know, I'm angry about it, and you know, I just you know, I hope. I just hope to connect, you know. I just would love to connect with the remnant or the like minded people, you know, when things go down, and maybe we

can affect some change. I don't know. Well, we certainly won't know unless we try. And you know, for the last ten days, besides being busy here, I've also been reaching out to I want to start doing things locally with churches and schools to see, hey, are you willing to listen to an hour of critical thinking, something that might go against what you teach, but at the same time, maybe you'll learn something. And especially to the churches, maybe I can help Lee, I can help you truly

understand the Book of Genesis and other things. But that that that's one of the things. When I came upon the flood Earth and everything else, Genesis made sense to me, completely made sense to me, whether it was nim Ride, the flood, the actual creation story, a lot of things. Just I was like, okay, it makes sense now, yeah, exactly

exactly right. Well, it's been a tremendous ninety minutes and you've had so much information and thoughts, and are you still in the I meant to ask you, are you still in the same place in Memphis or have you moved? Are you in a different location now, like to a safer area. Yeah, I've moved, but I'm just I'm kind of on the outskirts.

But I'm only renting. You know. I got like, I just I felt like I had to just flee, right and you know, sadly I lost money a little bit on that house, and so now I'm just trying to regroup and you know, figure out what my next move will be. And thankfully, you know, my girls got out to sound good. Yeah, safe place, the astroport. You know. Yeah, it's again, you know, we need to just rise up. You know, I don't want to be a fleer, but but but I you know, I had

to. I had to get out of that situation, you know. But anyway, but yeah, George, thank you so much for having me. I mean, I really enjoy just you know, I know I did a lot of the talking, but it's it's good to just have a conversation with somebody who is like minded and you know, can can just bounce back and forth ideas. I love that. So thank you for giving me the opportunity. Absolutely, I've enjoyed having you. Best to success with the book.

Keep us definitely, keep keep in touch and we'll bring you back down the road and love to talk about the book. And we could even talk about that on the other podcast as well, because I think that would definitely something that would work on the Fact Hunter as well. So absolutely stay in touch and best of luck to you and with your book, and again i'll give you the last word. Well again, just thanks for having me. And I just again want to remind everybody about that Aristotle quote. You know,

just just be willing to examine something. Just be willing to examine both sides and don't just make quick decisions, you know, examine it and process it and really let it wash over you and see how you feel about it. So you could. You know, that's just on every topic. Absolutely, but thank you, Thank you so much and you know. Looking forward to talking to you again sometime soon. Absolutely, and it was my pleasure having you. It was a great conversation. And again thank you to all the

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