The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds everyone well. I hope you're having a good week. We have a very special guest standing by you will be joining us in just a moment. Before we get to Andrea. I just want to remind everybody please do stop by the website. It is the flat earth Files at
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Andrea is tonight, please feel to reach out. Feel free, excuse me to reach out via email and the email address is the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. Again, it is the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. I think that's all the housekeeping we have for today. Let's go ahead and bring on our very special guest. Her name is Andrea and her father, Bud, was on episode eight three. I was actually a guest
on her podcast. I can't even keep track of the time anymore. Maybe it was a month or two ago, the Permaculture Princess podcast, which I will put the link in the show description as well. I believe I was on episode number forty one. Had a great time, and tonight she's joining us on this podcast to tell her story. And welcome to the program, Andrea. Andrea, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much. I am grinning ear to ear. I am usually on the interviewing
side, so forgive me if I'm nervous. Yeah, that's what we were talking about beforehand when I came on yours, and I don't get the opportunity to go on to me and other folks. It is kind of weird being, you know, the one answering the questions instead of given to them. But you have a tremendous podcast and it was honored to be on yours,
and I appreciate you coming on this absolutely. I am excited. I have been listening to your podcast for quite a while now, and I think I want to say I've heard every episode, or at least I'm like making my way through, and I, you know, every so often get another one in and I am to the point where, like when I go back, I can remember, oh, you talk to this person about this, and you know, and I just I wanted to join the conversation, is what
it came down to. You have really spectacular guests on, and they bring up so many good points, and quite honestly, I love the conversation you have started and the way that you bring people on to discuss their findings and
their journeys. Even if I'm just a very point zero zero one percent of the quote unquote great awakening, I'm glad to be a part of it where people should be able to have these type of conversations without being ashamed or being labeled as such, right because I think once people take a good look and use their critical thinking, people can quick to understand that many of the things that we face in our life is full of lies. And so I don't
think there's anything wrong with questioning anything at this point. Absolutely. I So it's interesting since my dad was on, we've had some correspondence from people that have reached out to him, and I played personal assistant because he's not super great in the tech, so I get to kind of be on the the liaison for his emails. And one of the conversations he had was really cool. Somebody called who had been raised Jehovah witness and he wanted to like ask
some clarifying questions about my dad's belief and it's just really neat. We didn't I didn't get anybody that reached out in anger. There are a lot of people that reached out with questions or you know, they wanted to clarify or they said hey, hoorah, like this is what I'm studying as well.
I just I'm really excited about the community that you've built because I don't, at least not yet, I haven't denbe with anyone like attacking somebody for believing differently, And it's more so a curiosity or a like, hey, I see this a little bit differently. Have you considered this? And I have
appreciated that same thing with the podcast you were on for me. For my podcast, I had a friend reach out and she said, hey, my mom listened to that podcast and she got my dad to listen to it, and he got all of his employees to listen to it, and it's just it's neat that I don't know when you find people that are willing to have the conversation. And that's the most important part, because I get and one of the most popular questions I get is I've been trying to wake my spouse
up, my mom, my dad. And the biggest thing is you can have the most conclusive evidence or you know, we talk about curvature, et cetera. The bottom line is if that they're not ready to look into it, it's just you're not going to be able to get through to them. They have to be willing to accept the information. That's the biggest thing that we found. Yeah, I agree completely, and not only except the operation
I have. I think that I've gotten to the where my beliefs differ, not I don't want to say drastically, but Kanda drastically from a lot of mainstream Christianity and a lot of the mainstream world story that I have finally accepted that I don't actually have to convince anyone because that's the spirit of the like the Lord's spirit does that. And if I wait till people are ready to reach out or ready to have the conversation and do less advertising of it.
It's amazing how he brings people at the right time, in the right season for them. So I'm excited about that. Yeah, one thousand percent. Never know, and then I'll get an email and say, why didn't you, you know, tell this guy when he said this, Why didn't you go after him? This, that and the other thing. I just think it's important that you allow people to speak their mind and their belief system, because if you make it a conflict type of podcast, people won't come on
and share, and if they come on, they'll start listen more. And most people already know my ideals and most of the other people's ideals, and I think it's it could be detrimental to have the same type of conversation every
single time we've had. There's one hundred and six episodes or so, and I think out of them, there's probably been eighty of them have been interviews, and I've learned at least at a minimum, you know, two or three things from every single guest, and I'm pretty sure all the listener has as well. So I think it's important that we continue to welcome on people of all different backgrounds and faiths and et cetera, just to bring you know
a different aspect. And again, no matter what their background is, I've learned something from everyone. Yep, I agree completely. I was kind of something that I was going to maybe wait to get into. But I think that that's even kind of the almost Like if I were to pick a thesis for this conversation, I'm such a I'm an organized thinker, like I want there to be a beginning, middle, and end. Like one of the things that I have come upon in my studies is just learning the ability to
be wrong. I So, I grew up my dad was raised Catholic, my mom had been raised Seventh Day Adventists, So technically like on my mom's side, I would have been like, I'm seventh I'm seventh generation Seventh Day Adventist, so like a long lineage of Seventh Day Adventists on my mom's side. And my dad was raised Catholic and he my baka is Croatian, so he they were from Croatia, uh, and so like the Croatian lineage is also very Catholic. So I'm like both sides of my family were strong in
their religiosity. If you will and but my dad and my mom had both I don't want to say backslid, and maybe that's the best word for it. They had both kind of left a little bit of their faith. Like they had their faith. They would probably say yes I'm Catholic or yes I'm stuff an SDA, but neither of them were necessarily living out their faith.
And then when I was born my dad my dad was thirty seven, my mom was thirty six, and they kind of had this I don't want to say battle, but they had a conversation about whether I should be baptized or not. And my mom was like, well, the SDA church does a baby dedication, and my dad said, well, the Catholic Church does baptism, but I kind of like the way, like I kind of like the idea of dedicating her versus baptizing her because that sounds a little bit less intense.
And so he went to the Catholic church at the time and he said, would you do a dedication and they were like, no, we don't do that, and so they decided to go with dedicating me in an SDA church and he asked the pastor, he said, could you make sure that you your verbiage is that you're dedicating her to the Lord, not necessarily to this denomination, because I haven't decided that, but I do want to dedicate
her to the Lord. And I actually get like Goosebum's even saying that, because I think that there's so much in the battle between good and evil when we take a child and we say, like, this child is God and we are wrapping the angels of goodness around this child, and we're saying, yeah, there's going to be challenges, there's going to be mistakes, but we want the power and the influence of God Almighty to take rain in this
life. And so that was kind of my dad's journey toward finding his own relationship with Christ because he hit this point where he realized, you know, I'm going to be raising up a child and I have to figure out what I believe to teach her what she believes. And so I kind of grew up doing both like I did. I remember going to Catholic mass, I remember going to Sabbath School, and I had a little bit of both, which actually, if anybody knows the SDA background, is quite hilarious because they're
like they're vastly different. But My point in this was that we have lost the Protestant movement. I think as Christians, as people of God, there is such a cool history of the people of God seeking truth and like literally digging for truth. I mean, we went through the Dark Ages, right, and the Dark Ages wiped out so much truth, and it made it
impossible for people to understand scripture because they couldn't read the scripture. But then we have these stories of people groups and you know, the Waldenzis and Martin Luther and John Wycliffe and the history of people seeking and finding little truth and then holding onto that truth until they get to the next truth, and holding
onto that truth until they get to the next truth. And I think we've lost a little bit of that, and that I think it would be like the thesis of my whole goal in having this conversation and having every conversation is saying like, don't stop protesting, don't stop the seeking of truth, don't stop and ever think like I've got it all figured out. There's nothing else
for me to learn. I'm here and everything I believe is perfect. Like that's such a dangerous place to be, yeah, and there's nothing that kind of very few things bother me. Very few. But when somebody tells you that your opinion is wrong, that that's something like there's no such thing as in a wrong opinion. You know, we all have different beliefs, different opinions, and that that is a dangerous precedent. You're you're one thousand percent
right. Going back to some that's very near and dear to my heart, it is the Protestant We've really lost it, and they fought so hard, especially with Martin Luther and the Reformation and the hard work it we took to get away from the Catholic Church and the Protestants coming over previous guests was talking about was it Obadiah Holmes who had the conviction? Very few people at it was willing to take religious persecution and public whippings for his belief whether it be
religious or against taxes. We don't have five percent of those convictions anymore. M Yeah, mercy, yeah, I can. I can definitely hear that. And so for me, I spent a long time because I grew up in a little bit of like both one foot in both churches, if you will. I very much had this as I thought that I needed to what's the like, maybe popularity. Is it like I wanted to make God cool. I kind of grew up with this idea that, well, God needs,
God needs like a reputation change. I had this mentality where I went to school at UW. Madison and I love the Lord and I kind of probably okay, So like right before I went to school at UW. Madison, it was I was in high school. My dad was really finding his faith and it was my It was my Catholic dad who brought our whole family back to the seventh d Adventist movement as far as like a biblical movement of
belief. And he was baptized when I was sixteen, and I remember, like I remember some like I don't want to say strange, but strange things where like my dad and I used to watch The Simpsons together all the time. He'll he'll laugh at me telling that, but I mean we used to have all the seasons of the Simpsons, and I remember, I remember he
just like didn't want to watch anymore. And same thing with football, he just didn't care anymore he wanted And then I would wake up in the middle of night and like go to the bathroom and I would see him just literally Bible out papers around him or on his knees praying, and this was typical. This is what I just watched. And I remember kind of thinking, like, you're going overboard, dad, right, it's it's too much.
And and I remember the first time he he missed, uh, he missed a track meat for me because he had been convicted on keeping the Sabbath and I and he never he never forced his convictions on me. I just watched him make his decisions and he never said, hey, this is what i'm learning, so this is what you have to do. Like he would study with me, he would share with me, but I was still like living
my life the way I wanted to. And I remember the first time he missed a track meet and I fall started twice and then I was disqualified or yeah, disqualified, and I blamed him, and I like, it almost makes me so sad to say, but I was like if you had been there and you know all this, and like I just I was a punk about it. And that is how someone in your teen years would react, right, sure, yeah, but I was. I mean, I'm also
like, I'm a daddy's girl. And here's the thing. My dad has been to every basketball game, every track meet, every cross country every voice recital, I mean, like the ridiculous things, every dance recital. He is probably like my number one fan and for me to just to have that moment. But looking back, he was in the process of like of choosing God, of choosing God over his family. And when I look back, I'm just my heart shatters watching it, because like, what a beautiful picture
of somebody seeking the Lord. And it really ultimately it led me to understand what God looks like. And so we have this picture of, you know, the Father. And because of the way that I saw my dad serving and giving and loving and changing his life, I was able to have a little bit, a little a little picture of what it might look like for me to have a father in heaven that loves me unconditionally, you know, but also stands up for principle and stands up for what is right and true
and good. So yeah, that's a little bit of I can't remember the point I was going to make with that, I wandered, but a little bit of my childhood growing up. Oh, that's a great story, and it speaks volumes volumes of your father. And there's a couple of takeaways from
what you talked about. First and foremost is it's funny you mentioned the Simpsons because on my other podcast we talk about them a lot because in many of their episodes throughout the years, these things have come to come to fruition, whether it was the nine to eleven episode or one of the baseball players hitting a ball and going through the firmament. It's like the Trump Yeah, totally going down the staircase, right, yep, Yeah, that's what we laugh
at it. We're like, the Simpsons were our first, our first lead into conspiracies, and many of it there were then. And my dad also came into kind of the like evolution creation debate. I think that was probably the beginning of and that kind of that brings me back to what I was saying, is he got into evolution creation. That was like the first of
our you know, being different, right, being different. I remember him coming to teacher conferences and like asking them if they were teaching evolution in the classes, and they were like, well, yeah, of course we're teaching evolution. This is the public school. And so he would bring his books and his things and and I just remember, I mean I agreed with him
but I was also a little bit quieter about it. I was a little bit more like I, you know, I would say what I believed, but I wasn't, you know, necessarily shouting it from the rooftops at that point. And uh. And the evolution debate also led into his second conspiracy that kind of got us into the world of looking into things was September eleventh, because he is he builds, and he's in real estate and he understands
how buildings are set up. And we were full patriotic like that. I always think of that song if you will put a boot in here, I won't say the Toby Purrican way, yeah, the Toby KEI. Anyway, I was thinking of that song. I'm like that was so us, Like we were all American, all in like, yeah, if you're going to mess with America, then we'll come and fight you. That's right, that's
attitude. And he there was a person speaking at UW. Madison, and he went to hear him speak, and he kind of went with the idea of proving him wrong, right, like, I know how buildings work and there's no way that this was a setup. And da da da da da. He was going to tell him what he thought, and then he saw and he listened to the whole lecture, and he came home and he said, September eleventh was a setup. And that was the first time that I
remember him getting like, yeah. He would make DVDs and everywhere we went he would tell people like, here's a DVD about September eleven, you know, just like it came up every conversation. And that was the beginning of us journeying I think into the government, the setup that goes on around us,
for sure. You know, I have so much respect. I go back and watch some of the older YouTube videos from twenty years ago, and there was a grassroots I mean going back to the old you know, standing on the corners with megaphones and passing out DVDs, and the truth community was big between like the late nineties, specifically after two thousand and one, a lot of people were putting the Loose Change movie on DVDs and just passing them out. And yeah, that's the type of thing I want to get back
to. And I keep saying, you know, business cards, et cetera. Man, there's never enough time in the day, but that is something so bad that I want to get back to grassroots and pounding you know, the pavement and making a difference locally as well. One of the things I wanted to go back and touch on. And it's kind of a twofold question because you were mentioning going back to like a Protestant revolution, and you know, you go back fifty years to the Jesus Revolution, Lonnie Frisbee and everything
that happened on the West coast there. It's interesting how they you know, air quotes with they were able to manipulate the minds of people and to make you know, if people talk about Jesus and the Church outside of the church that there, I think the term they like to use is religious fanatics, right, So I think they do that almost in the same way, not to the same extent, but you know, you know, if you come out and say, you know, I believe in flat earth the automatically,
you know, this guy's got mental issues. And I think they try also, you know, people who speak you know a lot outside the church, they try to connect that, yeah, that guy is religious fanatic. And that's kind of like what you were talking about when you first saw him and you missed him at the track meet. That that these are the type of things that I think man and the people who you know, you know, pull the levers here on earth, that they want people to think, oh
yeah, this guy's crazy religious fanatic. Yep, totally. In fact, my sister in law is in mental health and she was explaining to me that as a like, as a mental health professional, like technically speaking, what they are trained is if I were to say God told me, which is something I say all the time, God told me this or God revealed this to me, if I were to say that to a mental health professional, I would be labeled. I would be given the phrase delusion. I would
that would be my like delusional. I think it's delusion. I could be wrong on that, but essentially, like there is a term for a craziness, a sense of like clinical craziness for people who believe that God can lead them and speak to them and share it with them. And of course I mean there's you can take that to different levels. But I always think of have you read Frank Peretti's books. I'm trying to think of the one I've read. I literally have some of my friends reading it for a book club,
Piercing the Darkness. Have you read that. I that you have to read it. It's literally what's happening in our society, even though he wrote it, I think in the eighties, but he shows this battle between good and evil, and it really is showing that, Yeah, we can think, we can call people crazy, but what we're really dealing with is possession. You know, like you're either possessed by an evil spirit or you're possessed by the Holy Spirit, by the spirit of God. And you get you
don't you really don't get a choice. You don't get to like say, I'm just going to choose my spirit because we are fallen beings, you know. So like if you're not choosing to walk in love and light and truth. And the fruit of the spirit is love, love, joy, faith, ah love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. I need to sing the song. But that's the fruit of the spirit. And if you're not walking in the fruit of the
spirit, you're walking in delusion. You're walking in these other spirits. And the other spirits are anxiety and depression and fear, and these are these are actual spirits and they have actual abilities to mess with people and to cause mental health issues, and I think that, uh, sometimes if we don't step back and realize we don't wrestle against flesh and blood, but against powers and principality, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts
of wickedness and heavenly places, like this is a real battle and we are absolutely wrestling real spirits. And yeah, i'd like I know that that can sound fanatical, that can sound crazy. I think I might have made that word up, but it is. It's the real thing, and so I agree with you. It's something that the world wants to label and we're going to deal with that, I believe, until the end of time, because that is that's what the devil wants people to believe. That it's not real.
There's not a real battle happening. Two things I wanted to say. The book you mentioned, did you say it was Frank Peretti Piercing the Darkness? Yes, Oh, I have it here. You can get it on Christian Book for eight dollars on paperback. I will put the link in the show description. If you guys are it's eight bucks. I mean, you
can't go wrong. I mean, if I were to pull out that book right now, and just read the first couple of pages to you, like every every everybody who has ever battled or knows the battle between good and evil, like you will get goosebumps immediately. You'll be like, this is accurate, this is inspired, and and that like kind of brings me to another point. Is a kind of a long in my journey along on the truth
seeking journey. I think sometimes talking about labeling people as fanatics, or labeling people as cults, or labeling people as whatever whatever we want to label people, I think one of the things that gets thrown around to flippantly is a disdain for profits, right, and obviously, coming from a Seventh Day Adventist background, I am like, I would not consider myself a seven to Adventist
anymore. And there's a couple of reasons for that. But part of it is that I don't trust organized religion necessarily, but I do align with the Seventh Day Adventist movement. And I believe that Ellen White was a prophet for that, for that season, for that for such a time as she wrote, and I think that her words are and were prophetic. But here's the other thing. There's more prophets there's more people that have been inspired C. S. Lewis for example, Like, if you're going to read C.
S. Lewis, I feel like he was inspired. Sure, maybe not a prophet because he didn't necessarily make predictions. But I think that we're far too quick to say, oh, if somebody has a prophet, they must be in a cult. That's exactly what they said, Like Jeremiah and Isaiah, nobody liked prophets in the Bible, but God says, I'm going to tell people what's happening. I'm going to have people that have dreams and people
that see visions. That's that is from God. So I don't know, I just wanted to like make that little soapbox stand where like, just because somebody claims they believe in a prophet, I think that it's something that we should test, right, test the profits, but don't just throw them out because oh that sounds cult ish, you know. Yeah, how did it work out for the people who laughed at Noah? Right? Right? Yeah?
Yeah, Dad will send people and they're going to make warnings and test it against scripture, tested against the Holy Spirit, and like that voice is solid and thorough and the Bible says, ask and you will find Seek, Ask and you shall receive, Seek and you will find Knock and the door will be open unto you. Like he makes that promise. And yeah,
I think I belabored that. No, that's perfect, and it's it's incredible how the Lord works, because just this afternoon I did an interview and she brought up C. S. Lewis and the screw tape the screwtape letters. Yeah, yes, that's exactly what I mean, Like that is whoever that like screwtape letters. I'm actually going to remind you a lot of Frank Pretty's Piercing the Darkness and this Present Darkness. I think his, I think his.
I think Piercing the Darkness is the second one. I think this present Darkness is the first one. I could be off on that, But same thing, like anybody who has insight into that battle between the spirits, that is Holy Spirit given, because I mean, how else do you know, how else do you see it unless unless God's giving you that that vision. And yeah, authors the screwtape letters, for sure, that's an inspired book,
for sure. Absolutely, I wanted to go back on one more thing before we go forward, and that you were talking about demons, and that is something that's been a topic of conversation. And you know, when you think about it, some of the most simple and innocent things that may seem that way to people can open the door for demons to come into your life. M hm yes, Merci, Yeah, that makes I mean, I'll give you, can I give you a very specific example, please. Yeah.
So I remember, and I like, I know, there the people that understand this and then people that you know, balk whatever. I remember one night listening to a podcast and it was like it was like a podcast on fluor eyed and somebody had recommended this person to me. And I won't give the whole name, but I'll tell you that medium was part of the podcast description that like, this person claimed to be a medium. And I
didn't like think of it. I didn't think on it too hard. I just kind of remember thinking, like, oh, but he's talking about a really good topic. It's about fluoride. Da da da da, It's about health. And I listened to it while my kids were in the bathtub, and that night my daughter was just like beside herself, just crying, hysterical, just ridiculous, and I couldn't get her to call. I wouldn't. I even tried to like hug her, and she didn't want me near her.
It was very odd. It was super weird. And I remember her sitting on the stool. She was probably four, she was young, right, and maybe three or four. She was little. And I sat on the couch on the opposite side, and I prayed out loud, and I just did one of these prayers and I was like, God, this is not my daughter, This is not her spirit, this is not your spirit. And this is a spirit that is not welcome in our home because our home is protected by Jesus, and Jesus lives here and this spirit is not
welcome here. And this was this was the prayer I had, And I kid you not. I prayed, and I watched her eyes change wow, and I watched her like start to smile at me. And then she got up and she came over and she sat in my lap. And it was just this small moment where I said, God, like, where did where did it come from? Like she's four? How on earth did she get that? I care about what they watch, I care about everything. I care about where they go, I care about who they hang out with.
Like all of these things. I'm like, I'm a protective parent. I know there's a battle between good and evil. How did this come in? And the first thought that came to mind was that podcast, And I remember going and just deleting like unfollowing because I because a lot of this person's podcasts were really interesting like that. It was a lot of alternative health and I was really into it. But upon reading more of his about page, he claims to be a medium, and he claims to be able to speak to
the inner wards and you know, whatever it is. And I think that the devil loves to counterfeit things, right, because the natural healing is God's, you know, essential oils and herbs and you know, massage and the laying on of hands, all of that that's his, Like energy you work is God's, but the devil has taken it and transformed it into his own
process. And like that. It's why I'm actually very specific about even I mean, some people can say, oh, I went and got a massage, but I need to know who's giving me the massage, because I need to know who their energy comes from, because it doesn't come from Christ. Guess what they're transferring they're transferring wherever their energy does come from, and if
they don't know where it comes from, that's super dangerous as well. So for me, the knowing the foundation of belief that somebody is presenting with is everything. And I've talked about how your energy on the podcast is Christ's energy. It is an energy of piece of allowing people to talk, allowing people to share their stories, and therefore I know where your hurt comes from.
Even if you have people on that disagree or offer some other idea. We can come into contact with other ideas, but we must have the shield of faith, like we have to have that shield with which to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. If you don't have the shield, if you're not prepared and don't have the eyesight for discernment, the things that the
spirits that can come in are plentiful. And yeah, I just I challenge parents, especially, pay attention to the media, pay attention to the songs, pay attention to everything. And I'm not like, I am not a total talent. I can't say the word, I don't cut out like every I've mean, my kids have watched Disney, my kids have you know, whatever, Like my kids have watched you know, cartoons. But here's the thing. I am very much a person that wants to have the conversation like,
hey, what did we think about that? Was that story telling us about Christ? Who was the good guy in that story? Were they sharing principles of truth? Like I think we should have those conversations because if we
don't have the conversations, our kids don't know about the battle. And I think it is cs Lewis sorry to keep bringing him up, but cs Lewis said, like, if our kids don't realize that they're are you know, big events going on around them, If we don't have stories that like excite them and tell them that there's there's something bigger than themselves, then when they do find those stories and they're outside of the realm of the church, they're
going to be attracted to them, and they won't know how to fight. They won't know how to battle and be discerning. So yeah another, yeah, really well done. And something that you said that really resonates with me is again, Satan creates nothing, he perverts it. And that goes to the same as the top class, the controllers, that they don't create anything, they're parasites. I call them the parasite class. Yep, they just yeah, he just takes and transforms and twists and yeah, like and you
know that was I mean, that was what got even the garden. It wasn't a you know, it wasn't a big sin. It was a questioning God. It was a do you think that there's something he's keeping from you? Do you think that there could be more like in it? And that is the battle we all face, like is there is there something else beside what God has to offer? Like? Do I need something bigger or better
or in a different way? And sorry, another story. My son the other day we talk I mean I live, I live and breathe the battle between good and evil. Like it's something that we talk about really openly in our family. And my son the other day he he said to me, Mom, sometimes when the devil is battling for my heart, I think he looks really cool. That's what he said. I mean, he's my son is four now. He said, the devil looks really cool. And I said, you know what, Yep, the devil often looks. And you
know what, He's gonna make it look easier and more fun. And you know all the things. He's going to make it look a certain way. It's going to be attractive and dazzling. And he watches us. He walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he made devour. So he is watching our every move. He studies us. He learns exactly what we're into, exactly what we're attempted by, and he attacks in our weak spots. And I told him, I said, there will be days where God wins.
God is victorious in your life, and you're going to throw up your arms and you're going to be excited because God has the victory. But you can't stop because if you have breath and you're living on this side of heaven, the devil is going to attack again. He's never done. He's never done, And so as long as you have breath, you have to keep fighting. And that at least at the very least, Like you know, my son, he gets like the excitement to fight because he's a boy and he
wants to wrestle and fight and learn all the things. But that's the reminder that I think our children need, is that the battle's never done, not here, not on this side of heaven. So yeah, I get excited about it. Yeah. And a great analogy to that that I often use is if you walk into the kitchen and there's on one side it is a big, large pepperoni pizza hot, you know, piping hot, and then on the other side is a plate of broccoli. Which way are you going
to head? And that's the description. This one is better for you, the broccoli, which one looks and smells and tastes better the pizza. Right. Yeah, And you know here's the thing. God, God's way is always better in the end, And so the repentance model is one of him teaching us how to love what he loves. I believe that. I believe
that as we put one foot in front of the other. Yes, the battle rages on, but it does get easier, and all of a sudden you realize, like, oh, God has helped me in these really small areas. I bet he can do it in this larger area or whatever. It is. Like, it's such an ongoing it is an ongoing battle, and I fully believe that he. It says the thief, it says John ten ten. The thief comes to destroy and to kill. But I have come that they may have life, and they may have it more abundant.
I the permaculture princess is all about a more abundant life. So I don't believe that, Like, yes, the broccoli is always better, but guess what like putting herbs and some oil and butter on the brock he is really God designed that too, and he said, hey, look at you can grow the broccoli, and you can grow some things around the broccoli. And that's really exciting. It's just like there's so much more to what God has
to offer. And I do believe that if we leaned into the way He created us and the way He designed us, we only discover abundance, whether emotionally, like physically, financially maybe not on this side, like like there's there's peace, there's there is there's a peace with the way God designed our lives for sure. So well done, getting back getting back to your journey. When when your dad found out whatever year that was, you know, nine to eleven, when he went, you know, I want to go
A lot of us go into that, like especially into flat Earth. I want to go in here and disprove it, destroy it and get on with my life. Well, when he found out about that, is that something that was he always sharing his the things he would find? Would he share that with you? Or is that? Uh? Is that basically how you came to the truth community? Like when he found these things out, did he uh, you know, pretty much turn around and share them with you?
Yes? Yeah. I I'm a daddy's girl. So my dad and I have always been super close and I am and I'm technically his only child. So my dad married my mom and I have a half brother from a mom's previous marriage, and he is ten years older than me, and we actually have a really cool family where I grew up. I actually grew up not really see, not really understanding that divorce usually led to angst and an
animosity because my dad and my brother's dad got along so well. In fact, I am even really close with my so my mom's ex husband, Like he pours into my life. He's somebody that I trust and talk to.
And it's just it was really neat the way my dad and my mom's ex decided to like share in bringing up my brother and make that an as easy as it can be, right, Like there's always send messes up things all the time, but they they did such a good job doing that, So I've always been I'm but I'm my dad's only is what I'm trying to like, I'm his, I'm his. Like are we think so similarly? It's it's scary, like there are things where we'll be in opposite states, in
opposite places and we will have the same thing come up. Or we were there was a kind of a funny joke that our family laughs at sometimes where we I can't remember exactly how it came up, but we found out that there was a group of people that we knew that we're having a gathering and we hadn't been invited, and without I kind of said I said something along the lines of like maybe they're planning a surprise party for us, and my
dad said, I thought the exact same thing. And we just have this like ridiculously positive outlook on life, and we're we're just we think similarly, and so yeah, when my dad learns something, he will bring it up to me. And the flat Earth was no, it was just a solid no. He I had just gotten married and I was like, you are diving off the deep end. It was a hard note. And I watched the things and my husband and I were like, absolutely not and I even
like apologized to my husband at the time. I was like, I am so sorry. I don't know what you got into. Like, my dad's never been this crazy. This is he's going a new direction. And we ended up watching something and then so like I kind of started to see what he was saying. Okay, I started to understand, and most of it was like I really just didn't I didn't care. Like at the time, it was just it seemed so useless. It seemed useless to talk about it.
It almost seemed detrimental. And that is because I was also we were also at the time going through understanding the Trinity differently, which I mean I kind of, if you don't mind me kind of scooping that into the conversation, I do because the Trinity has been a discussion on here. Trinity was
what we were studying before we came to the flat Earth. And I think that God does things systematically in our lives, like he'll bring us to one thing and then he'll ask us to study another thing, and he does it at the perfect time for us, right, And because we were dealing with the Trinity, it was the first time that we were starting to realize that
there wasn't a perfect church, and I think that's important for everybody. Every truth seeker has to come to this realization that there's like nobody that has it all figured out, because I mean, we all want to find that. We'd all love to find like the place that has everything all figured out.
But that was I mean, that's ultimately what happened with the Protestants is every time somebody learned something new, they would create a new church, and then there would be people that believed the old thing but not the new thing, and then new people would find a new thing. And so there were so
many early Reformers and they became the Protestant movement. But then like we stopped protest and that's why we have I mean tens of thousands of denominations, different denominations because people kept breaking off and creating new churches, and the truth seekers just kind of had to keep going along with whatever new church was being created. And I think that, I mean, that was the point. Because God can't just flip on the light switch right because it would have been too
bright for everybody there would have been like this is overwhelming. But instead he turned up the light really carefully and systematically and I do believe that it's still happening. We're still brushing away man's interpretation of things and things that the devil counterfeited and hid, were slowly uncovering them, and it's going to be a process. We're not done. But every time somebody finds something and they get excited, then they think they're done and they just hold that box and they
don't want to like look anything else up. And that was what the Trinity was for us. The Trinity was this moment of realizing, oh, this is another thing from the Dark Ages, this is another thing from the Catholic Church that the Catholic Church created, and if we are truly protesting the foundations of what the Catholic Church has done to Scripture, this is another thing.
And I think it's important to mention as somebody that doesn't believe in the Trinity, that doesn't mean I don't believe in the Holy Spirit, because a lot of people want to say that, like, oh, you don't believe in the third person, so you must not believe in the Holy Spirit, And that's not the case. We absolutely believe in the Holy Spirit. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God, the spirit of Christ, which is the spirit that they offer us as an advocate, as a comforter
to live in us. Now, I think that it's important to mention that, like as we look at Scripture, we see we see the Father and the Son so clearly. I mean, it's it's everywhere. Like when Paul is addressing people, he always like, you know, peace and grace from our Father, like from our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. It's just everywhere. John seventeen three says, this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have
sent. So like nobody, well, I shouldn't say nobody argues there's not a father's son, because there are a group of people that believe it's like all one. Well, and it is. Oh, it can get so into the weeds, right, But like we're told, there's a few things where we see a plurality. And the plurality is specifically in you know Genesis where he says, let us make man in our image, and when he says our we have two like it's it's a plural. It's a plural place.
But it's so cool because what does he do He makes Adam and Eve. He makes two beings, even though in he said let's make man in our image, and he made two beings. So that's just one. I mean, that's just a simple example of like the two. But here's the other thing that people say. People will say, oh, then you don't believe that Jesus is divine. And here's what I am frustrated with that,
because we can believe that Jesus is both eternal and divine and begotten. People make the argument that if you say he's begotten, you must be saying that he's created, and that's not what the Bible says. And the Bible says he's begotten, and that is the word I have to use. Now. People will say, then, explain to me what begutten means. Well, the Bible doesn't tell me that. That just says that he was begunnen.
It gives us the picture of Adam and Eve. It gives us the picture of Eve coming out of Adam. Not I mean, Adam didn't give birth to Eve, but Eve came out of Adam. So similarly, I think we have this picture of God the Father giving life to go and like I'm even saying that that's not what the Bible says. It just says we have this picture of God the Father, having a begotten son, and then when
we have to quite we have to try to extrapolate what a begotten. We have this picture of Adam and Eve, and I don't believe he was created, but he was out of He's the word of God. He is, he is the Dna of God himself. So he's divine. He's eternal. And do I know when that came about. No, I don't. I don't know. Because he was, he is eternal, he is forever, and so that the Bible doesn't give you that. The Bible tells me that he was begunnen, and it also tells me that he's eternal. So I
can I feel totally comfortable believing both of those things. It's not one or the other. It's not that, oh, because I believe he's begunne, therefore he must be created. I just it's it's not something I see. So those are two big things. I want to point out that like as anti Trinitarians, we do believe in the Holy Spirit, and we do believe
that Jesus is divine. But here's the thing. He also says that God is before like he says that God is higher than me, that the Father is I don't want to say bigger, but I'm trying to use what the Bible he says. And Jesus does say I'm the only one that has seen my Father. But he also says, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father. So there's a oneness, but there's also a a separation, right, there's a separation of power. And I only have the Bible to
describe that. So sometimes we want to describe it with human words, and how do you describe divinity with human words? It's very difficult. But yeah, I think that you had Yeah, you said, is it odal Od? You had a pastor on and I did like the way that he described it, as he was the first one that said, hey, it's it's the Trinity. Is not the way the Catholic Church teaches it, So like, praise God for that. But at the same time, here's what I
like, here's what I think would be a really cool study. If anybody wanted to take me up on this, just go through the Bible. This is what I did. This is exactly what I did when I made this decision. Or when I had this conviction, I went through the Bible and I looked up every single place where it talks about the Spirit of God.
Just go through and like find figure out every single place and then look at where it talks about the Spirit of God and then see see what it tells you just there, Like what if you didn't know the word trinity because Trinity is not in the Bible. And what if you didn't know the word God the Spirit because God the Spirit is not in the Bible. Don't we don't have any of the verbiage that people use today to describe the Godhead in the
Bible. So I just I just think it would be so cool if somebody went through scripture and found all the places where it talks about the Spirit of God and then made your own decision on those places, because there's actually very few places. And I would do it if you, like, if you want me to get into it. I think there's really only like four places to me that make it a little bit funny. You're like, h it
kind of stills like there's three year that's it. Four places, and all of those I believe can be easily easily described away by looking into the original context and looking into the concordance to find the original words for those places. But yeah, I the question you originally asked me, and I went on a trinity tagent, what is that about? Its flat Earth? Yeah, I come so so, Yeah, the Trinity was what initially brought us into
like questioning the narrative. I like kind of saying, okay, we have been and we definitely had this thought like when the Bible says come out of for my people, we had this thought like, oh, everybody has to come out of the church therein but not us because you know we're in the right church of course. And finally we like, once you realize, oh,
it's everybody, every single person needs to come out of something. And that was kind of the beginning of the flat Earth journey for my dad was and for me, I was like, hey, if you keep talking about the flat Earth, people aren't going to take what we're saying about the Trinity seriously. And that was my concern because I thought that was a really important message, so important in fact, that we went through a disfellowship in our
church. My dad was disfellowshiped. I was not, even though we believed exactly the same thing. So tell me if that's not a popular context. It was. It was a witch hunt. It was terrible, and my dad and the vote was like fifty four to fifty two, Oh my goodness,
And yeah it was. It was. It was so sad. I won't do the whole thing, but I will say that I also I also was just asked to stop attending a mom's Bible study group at a non denominational church after three years of being part of this Bible study because of my beliefs on the Trinity and Hell. And even though like I don't bring it up super often, but if it comes up conversation, I will, or if it comes up in the Bible study, I will. And the words said
to me were, uh, this isn't mom's group. Isn't the place to have these theological conversations. And I was like, when where is the place? Right? If not there, where where were? But But yeah, so flatter to me was one of those things that I did not want to
I did not want it to deter from the Gospel. And it took me a long time to realize that it doesn't deter from the Gospel, and it only enhances the gospel and Dan. I want to say, my dad started telling me about it in twenty fifteen, and I hushed him and hushed him, and like, probably until a year ago, I was like, all right, let's let's come out of the closet. You know, for me,
he was already out. But yeah, well a year ago. Is is that when you finally let your guard down to look into it, or is that when you finally like understood that it was probably, you know, not a ball. So I think that's when I let my guard down to say that I believed it. I think that I man probably around I'd probably say around twenty twenty, I was like, yeah, this because I've won. My eyes were open to so many things in twenty twenty, and like
we had already kind of been on the journey of of unraveling. But twenty twenty I realized, yes, this is something that they're trying to keep from us. But I still wasn't ready to necessarily say it. And I will say, I don't know if there's like a if there was like a moment of realization. It was kind of more of a an overtime thing. I know that one of the things early on that really resonated with me. Was the Amanda, not Amanda Andrea. You think i'd remember this name because she
has the same name as me. That Andrea Barnes story. Are you familiar with that? I've you know that rings a bell? Okay, so I'm gonna tell it. I'll tell you the fast version because it's honestly, it's a story of such intrigue and drama and I think it's amazing. But Amanda barr why can I do this? You know why? Because there's an Amanda Barnes that's a CrossFit athlete and I love crossfits. That's which I keeps doing this. Okay. Andrea Barnes is her name, and she was from I
want to say the sixties. I'm gonna you're gonna have to look that up and put that in the show notes. Okay, No, you're good at that. But so I'm Andrea Barnes was a woman who just did not believe that the Earth was a ball. Like she just didn't believe it, and she put like it was her life's mission to prove it wrong. It was so cool. She did so many cool studies. She did lots of cool
tests. One of the tests she did she she took like a ball like I can't think of the word for it, but essentially something that could float up in the air. And she said, I'm gonna float this up in the air and we're we're going to hold it totally still, and if the Earth is spinning, it should move underneath us. And the ball or and this floating device, will you know, be in New York by the time. Why you know, because I'm holding it completely still and if the Earth
is moving anyway. That was one of the experiments she tried to prove. But the other thing she kept doing was trying to get to Antarctica because she kept trying to find the wall. And she said, one of these days, I'm going to get to the wall in Antarctica. And she made like three expeditions, and on the final expedition, she took a snowmobile out by herself. Okay, like, this woman is insane, she's so cool. She took a snowmobile out by herself, and they didn't find it till years
later. She never came back, and they found a snowmobile and here's what here. Get this. They found the snowmobile, and they found a camera, and they found a piece of paper, and on the piece of paper she wrote the debate or I've been there, the debate is settled, Andrea, or something like that. I mean, there's just enough space to write that. And and then she had a camera with it, but the person who found the snowmobile inadvertently opened the film and it was just I know,
I know, that's like, I mean, the intrigue is amazing. And so she apparently, according to her, she hit the wall, like right, that's what she said, I've been there, the debate is settled, like she And so there's just man, I just would love to have seen what was on that camera. I would love to have seen what other studies she had that never got out. I would love to talk to her.
And like she had so many cool stories and expeditions, like she had one expedition where almost everybod they almost didn't make it out because the storm a storm hit and she had to come back. And just a really cool woman that was convinced that she could get to the edge of the firmament. And I believe she did. And we'll just have to have the conversation with her on
the other side, I guess. But her story always stood out to me, just maybe because I love stories and I love I'm like, I'm kind of I'm like an I was an early feminist, like before feminism went wonky. I am all about the girl power, all about women being strong and who they are and who they're meant to be. And so I love stories of women who do amazing things, and she's one of them. And so I think maybe that was like one of the first things where I was like,
oh, that's cool and it stood out to me. But yeah, there wasn't a moment where I was like, oh, this makes perfect sense. I will say that I fly a lot, uh, and I flew. I used to fly a lot more because my mom was a flight attendant when I was growing up, so because I was in the air so often. I yeah, I totally remember looking out and thinking it's so weird that this is a curve. I don't like it doesn't I don't see it. I can see for miles and miles and miles. It's just so I remember
thinking it's so weird that we can see so far. And yeah, I mean when it comes to flat Earth, it very much was something where I think once I heard the word biblical cosmology, maybe that was it. Maybe that's what made me say like, oh, now I can call myself right, like this is a word I can identify. Yeah, yeah, honestly, like even your podcasts, your podcast was really influential in me saying like
it's time. It's time to say something, because if we don't, if we don't say something now, who else is going to go on being duped? And who else is going to miss out on knowing that there is a father that is a really good creator, like a father that is a perfect creator, and he made this little dome that is exactly what we need for life. And I mean, that's amazing. It's a beautiful story of creation that the world has tried to flip on its head. Amen to that.
And I did manage to find I guess. In nineteen ninety they put out about a thirty minute documentary called in Search of the Edge, and it was an independent documentary providing scientific proof that the Earth is flat, including the Bedford level experiment, plus evidence including the story of the fatal polar expedition by Andrea Barnes. And I actually did find that the little thirty minute clip on YouTube, so I'll put that in the show. Description Andrea Barnes in Search of
the Edge. Yeah, yeah, she was awesome. She was a beginner in an explorer in this field for sure, because I mean that's the other thing, especially in the beginning when we were first having a conversation, I was like, well, somebody just go to the end and tell us, like, why can't we do that? And then to find out how many people have tried and been turned around or been lost. We don't even know, like you know, how many people have tried to get over there covertly
and never made it back right, So they do a great job. They
do a really great job of hiding the ends of the year. Yes, and there is a lot of really really rough waters and passages in Antarctica, like really dangerous that the Drake Passage is one of them that's claimed a lot of light lives, excuse me, and you can only get through, you know on certain times regarding the flat Earth, have you had any luck or do you find it's the same old people really have to be willing to listen or have you found any hacks, you know, life hacks and to kind
of get people at least interested or to be willing to look into flat Earth. Uh, It's that's an interesting question. I can say that I feel like it's my mission, necessarily by any means, to bring that up.
But I can't tell you how many people, especially like after my podcast, after I released that podcast with you, I can't tell you how many of my friends like ah breathes it asigh relief relief with me and said, you know what, I have wanted to ask this, I've wanted to bring this up, but like I've been so scared or I've just been so tentative. Uh, and I just I found that it Like I think I can't remember the guy that said, uh, the flat Earth is like Spice Girls,
because right, but nobody listens to him. But they sold one hundred million albums or whatever. Yeah. Well, and it's and he's like, you know, nobody will admit it, Like everybody believes it, but nobody will admit it, just like everybody was a fan of the Spice Girls, but nobody would admit it. But I happened to be one of those people that loved the Spice Girls and would admit it. So but that I think that's the conversation is there's so many people that have thought it or are considering it,
and they're not willing to necessarily step out and say so. But yeah, don't. I don't know that it's something that needs to be forefront I really don't. One of the areas that my dad and I actually disagree on quite a bit is my dad. And you know how God gives people these different gifts. Sure like one of the gifts that God has given my dad is a sense of boldness and bravery, and the vast majority of the time
it works out for him. Like I can't tell. So one time I was at a gas station and like the woman that worked at the gas station came up to me and said, hey, I've seen you. I forgot to mention I was on a Bible studied documentary series called Thunder in the Holy Land. We filmed it in Israel and it was amazing and we I can include that in some of the notes. But my dad, like I said,
was really big about handing out DVDs. So of course when I did a Bible study documentary series, he handed out DVDs of that everywhere he went. And this woman at the gas station goes, Hi, can you know I know you? Because your dad came in here and gave me a DVD and I've watched the Bible studies that you're on. And I had to giggle because I remember telling my dad. I said, Dad, you cannot just
go up to people and hand them DVDs, like it's not appropriate. And you know what he would do. He would say, she would walk up to random people and say do you read the Bible? And depending well, it didn't matter what their answer was. He would say, hey, this is a Bible study and I think you might like it. I mean, he would just say that to complete strangers. And I told him, you can't do that because that's not building a relationship. That's not you know,
you're not cultivating what Christ told us to do. That's what I would argue all the time, Like you have to build a friendship, you have to build trust, you have to all this. But God somehow uses my dad in these super awkward ways with super random people. And that's my dad's gift. It's just to like break the ice, walk up, say the thing, and leave. And that's me on the other hand, Like I want
to get to know a person. I want to find where we have similarities or differences, Like I want to have a conversation before I bring up, you know, some of these bigger topics. So when you say, is there a way? Is there a hack? My hack is to listen to the still small voice, that still small voice that says now or go or
this is the person I want you to bring something up with them. And when you are in the Word of God, when you are spending time in prayer and you are following the scriptures, that still small voice is easier to hear, and he will make it known to you who you should it up to and when you should say something. Uh. And those are my favorite stories because I don't believe in coincidences. Those times where you're like, I don't know why I'm saying this, but have you ever and you know,
like, have you ever considered right this? And man, it's it's just it's so good to know that we get to unite with the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, and he promises to never leave nor forsake us. Now, like, will we make mistakes and be like, workout your voice? Did I miss Did I miss hear that? YEA, yeah, totally, that will absolutely happen. But as far as the hack, I like what she said like leave breadcrumbs, leave little bits of information and let
people. Let people seek the answers, or if they want to know more from you, they'll come to you and they'll ask Like I or I sell Dotera essential oils, and it's the same thing when it comes to sales. I love sharing with people and I very rarely say hey, are you interested in buying? Like I was at the library the other day and a mom had a son and the son was just freaking out about something and she was trying to get him to calm down. And I said, hey, I
have this adaptive roller. It's an essential oil mix and it's really good at calming and grounding, Like would you like to try it? And she was like, yeah, absolutely, thank you so much, and she rolled it on and he was able to kind of like, you know, I wasn't like miraculous, but it works with our system. It helps us calm down. He was able to take a deep breath and calm down, and we
just went our different ways. She's thanked me, she was so grateful, but I wasn't like, oh, by the way, here's my card and here's how you can get in touch with me. Because I would love her at some point to say, hey, you know that really made a difference.
Maybe I'll start studying or learning about alternative therapies. Like it doesn't have to be through us, but if we leave breadcrumbs and we leave little pieces of truth wherever we go, oh, people will seek that, maybe at a different time, and they'll come to the truth at some point, I'm sure indeed. And one thing I'm not sure I even mentioned before, but you mentioned sales, and that's something that I did when I was younger, and then when I retired from the army, I had moven stores, so
I had to pick back up those the salesmanship skills. And one thing I remembered when I opened my business back up was one of the first things I was taught back in eighty nine or ninety whatever it was, was never ask
yes or no questions, right. You always ask open ended questions, you know, so to continue the conversation because you never want the customer to say no. And that's something that I've been thinking about a lot lately, even though I've been out of the sales industry for a few years now, is whether it be discussing faith or discussing just say flat earth well, let's keep questions that don't end up with it though, instead of just saying, hey,
do you want to hear about flat Earth? Just you know, hey, do you ever think about how far the sun and the moon are getting into the conversation like that, That's something I've been thinking about absolutely so so that I, like I said, I when I'm one of those people, one of my favorite questions to ask people is what is God teaching you? Like if you ask any of my friends, I like, any of my Bible study anybody, any truly, anybody who knows me. That is a
question I ask all the time. I ask my kids, I ask my family. So I'll ask the question what is God teaching you? Because I believe that He's always teaching you something, and it might be something new and exciting, but it also could just be he's reminding you of something. He's reminding you of his joy and his peace, Like he might be reminding you of a doctrinal issue. He might be reminding you of an emotional thing. So He's always teaching you something. And if we have that in the back
of our head, like what are you trying to teach me today? I think that's a really safe place to exist, to always have a teachable spirit, to always be in a place of of learning, of seeking. And I think that is where flat Earth becomes so exciting because it changes, it changes the conversation. And furthermore, like even you know, something that we've continued studying is the calendar. Excuse me, I feel like studying the calendar the way Man created it versus the way God created it. And I think
that's like it just gets more and more detailed as you go. And that's for me, that's what God's teaching me, or starting, I don't say like teaching me, but continuing to refine in making. Yeah, and that's great because I remember back to that was one of the impressions your father left with me when he mentioned about the lunar cycles or the lunar Sabbath. I believe it was right. Yeah, so, and it's so it's been really interesting because for me, as a sabbath keeper, I have for a long
time considered Saturday as the seventh day of the week. Therefore it is the seventh day Sabbath. But when you start to look into the calendar, the original calendar, I mean, the first century Roman calendar was based totally different. Like for example, even the months were different. So like even if you look at December, deaths is a ten. December used to be the tenth month of the calendar. November no used to be the ninth month of the calendar. It is no longer, right, So these are things that
change over time. Similarly, Saturday, which was actually satire day because all the days of the Roman calendar were named after gods, pagan gods, so satire is sat y r satire day that used to be the first day of
the week. And you can see this, this is all documented, like you can go through and study the calendar, and the months were different, the days of the weeks were different, and to me, it's just one of those it's another thing that the devil got his hands on where so many people will say, well, like we've never lost the seven day gate count.
And they'll also say, everybody's willing to look at the calendar in the Bible and say, yes, that's based on the moon because especially flat Earth, there's flatter Earthers love the verse in let's say Genesis, let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night. Let be let them be for signs and seasons and for days and years. Right, So we love talking about that verse and saying, hey, here's a firmament, what does that mean? But also the lights in the heavens
were meant to be sat for signs and seasons. They were meant to tell us the calendar. They were meant to give us an idea of God's calendar. And I'll often tell people, yes, it's confusing, it's like it's
just mind bending. But it's the same sort of mind bend that we had to do in the flat earth, because if you were to like, let's say we were both like me and a sabbath, like a Saturday Sabbath, were on a ship and we got, you know, jumbled at sea, and we ended up on an island, and we don't know what day of the week it is. We wake up and we have no idea, we have no concept of a calendar, no concept of time. It's just me
and this Saturday Sabbath keeper on this island. Well after about two nights, give me forty eight hours of watching the stars and the moon and the sun, and I can tell you what day of the week it is. And what day of the month it is wow, based on a biblical calendar. As somebody who has a gate count, they're never ever going to know unless man tells them, right. Kicker, there's the kicker. Man has to be in charge of a gate count, and you have to trust that man
never messed it up and that it never got switched around. And we don't have any proof of that because the calendar went all over the place. Constantine changed the calendar. The calendar in France was different at one time. They've changed the dateline, you know, like that's I mean, that's super recent. They uh, they move the entire dateline. So this I think it's an island in Samoa. I could be wrong, but an island, there's
a there's an island group of people that literally lost a day. And so there's people there that still keep the quote original Saturday Sabbath, but now it's actually Sunday. And then there's people that change to the quote new Saturday because the days got changed and they're all messed up. And so to tell me that man that we have to depend on man to keep the to keep God Sabbath is a very difficult thing for me to understand. And I am somebody
that have help Like I just become obsessed with looking at nature. I believe that nature brings us closer to God. And that's what the flat earth model does too, because as you look around you and you say, hey, does water stick to a ball as it's spinning? No, no way, Like I nowhere do we see that. And in fact, we see differences in help plants grow based on the lunar cycle. We see differences. We see so many things about nature that is beautiful. It's all systematic. It
all leads back to a creator. And I'm like, I'm not a pantheist. I don't believe that God is in nature that we can like, I don't know, commune with the trees. I don't believe that. But I do believe that nature points back to God. And the lights in the sky also point back to God. And if we were and I'll tell you what I have been keeping quote the lunar solar Sabbath based on something called the World's Last Chance calendar. So World's Last Chance does like an app so you can
figure out the moon. So get this. I was telling people, I keep a lunar Solar's calendar, but I use an app to figure it out. And then I like dawned on me, like this is not the way God designed it. So I'm my husband and I are recently trying to like go out and track the moon ourselves, and it's hard because we thought we were on on like doing it right. And then we recently had a speaker
come. His name's Troy Miller. He has creation calendar dot Com and he was like, actually, you're a day off and it was so disheartening. I was like, God, we're trying to do this and you know, like how can we first? How can we know that we're right? But here, here's what God told me in that I know that can make people's hair bristle. But God revealed to me that it's not about being perfect because his son was perfect, and it's not about fulfilling all of these requirements.
It's about looking up. Look up and look at the sky and look at what I created and give it a try. Try to see me in my creation. Try to see the things that I've designed, because it's worth it, and it's gonna be hard, and you're not going to be good at it because you have been so tied to the media, to the digital to all the things that we find that take us away from nature. And I just here's what. I fully believe that God created us to spend more time
in nature. And I do believe that the Sabbath has to do with his lunar solar cycle, and I do believe that He ultimately wants us to find it like a hidden jewel, a hidden gem. I believe that it's a special thing for him. And it's again, I've dealt with the word legalism my whole life. I get it. I get that anytime you're talking about trying to follow the precepts of God, you're going to have to deal with whether you're doing it for legal legalistic reasons. And what it comes down to
is loving your Father. Like if we love the creator God, we just we want to do the things he said. And that is what it means when His spirit works in us. And it doesn't mean that we'll do it perfectly all the time, but it does mean that we seek, we seek learning, we seek doing, we seek being Christ on earth. Like That's that's what it means when he says I will send the advocate and he will
be with you. Christ can live in and through us, and when Christ lives through us, it says, you will be perfect, as my father in heaven is perfect. And every single time we say yes to what God is putting in front of us, we are perfect. And in that moment like, yes, we can fall, but we can also be renewed and redeemed and find repentance. So yeah, that was a soapbox as well, and I just yeah, I want to turn people to the heavens. Look
up, give it a try. That's great. And I'm looking at this website, the World's Last Chance. It's it says today is the seventh Lunation day twenty nine Sabbath day, no work. Mm hmm. That's really interesting. And that's the thing too, it really So here's what's so interesting to me, is like keeping a lunation. Once you start getting to that numbers. I know you're a numbers guy. I won't go too into the weeds here, but and I know also that we're not supposed to find dates.
But once you start keeping like we're on the six thousand and tenth lunation? Is that what I said? Did you say? It just says, I guess this is that the yearly one at seventh lu nation day twenty nine. Okay, so yeah, we're so seventh month, the out day twenty nine. But so like when you look at the World's Last Chance calendar, it'll tell you what like year it is, but from the creation of the world
essentially, and it's i'd have to see the lunation of that. I put my phone somewhere, but uh, it's just neat to start playing with the numbers and start realizing, like I really really believe that the feasts are going to be something that I don't want to say predicts, but I'm gonna say it predicts when God moves and what he does, because there's a reason that
pass over. There's a reason that passover was when it was right, because then Jesus came and fulfilled he was the passover lamb, and then Pentecost obviously fulfilled feast of trumpets. I'm saying that correctly, m h anyway, And then so like we've had these fulfillments, but the last three feasts haven't been fulfilled. So and I don't say that to say like, oh, everybody better be keeping the feast. I say that to like remind people the Bible,
the story of the Bible is not over. And all of the things that we were discovering, whether it's Masons or you know, whatever's happening in the government, and whatever's happening in the deep State and all of these things. Ultimately it's all part of this story that still has not had a cap on it, Like we are about to see the fulfillment of Day of Atonement and the feast of tabernacles like these are things that have yet to happen.
And I really do believe that the calendar is ultimately going to m It's going to help us know when the end is near. It's going to help us see and prepare and to be closer to Christ in his natural world. Yeah, that's what they're saying. It's a andy and they even have a whole
thing on flatter on this as well. That's rue. Oh yeah, I think that's actually that was for sure, the journey flat Earth first, and then the calendar that was our walk really good and it's been we're kind of coming up on the ninety minute mark, but I certainly am not going to let you go without giving you an opportunity to tell the audience about your podcast
and what permaculture is all about thanks. Yeah, yeah, I I made this podcast probably hmmm while I was well, right after I had my baby girl, and I just am. I'm a Communication arts major with the Digital Studies certificate. I did two years at University of Wisconsin, and then I took a hiatus. I did a little like an evangelism school down in Florida called Life the Lay Institute for Evangelism, which I don't believe is around anymore, but that's where I studied. And then I did my Thunder in the
Holy Land, a Bible study documentary series with Questline productions. I should also mention I also was on a reality show called College Life an MTV, and
yeah, that was when I was in college. My freshman year of college, I was on a reality show, which it always cracks me up that God has like God knows us better than we know ourselves, and he let me kind of dip my toes into fame, if you will, in the world of media that I thought I wanted to be in, and then I got to see the side of it that I didn't want to be a part of, and God just like raised me up and out of that, which
was so cool. And so yeah, when I started the Permaculture Princess blog in podcasts, I had the intention of sharing, of writing, of using some of the gifts God has given me to share about permaculture design. At the time, it kind of transformed into something different. But permaculture is essentially this idea that if we grow and do if we grow the way that God intended, if we grow the way that nature intended, we will have greater
abundance. And the way that Nature designed things are without spaces, like there's not big chunks of spaces. When you watch nature grow, it's vibrant and abundant, and there's usually lots of different plants, lots of variety. There's never bare soil. Everything is always mulched in some way or it has grown cover. And all of that I could go, I could go deeper in
all of that. But all of that's to say that I believe that if we grow the way God intended us to grow food, we're going to have abundance in the same way that I believe if we live the way God intended us to live, we will also have abundance. And that is the message that I like, I want to get across with Permaculture Princess. I'm a personal trainer, so I love helping people lift weights and lose weight and you
know, get healthy. But more than that, I want to help people wake up in the morning and feel excited about the day, and feel excited and energized and ready to learn and grow, and to actually get a little taste of the kingdom here, you know, like no we have. It was first Corinthians, and Corinthians like I has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the mind of man what God has prepared for those who love him. And I fully believe that like we can't, we can't
fathom it. I know that, But I do also believe that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand and if we we can just allow people to taste a little bit, just a little bit of it here, it will get them excited to pursue to pursue heaven when it gets hard, because I do believe that it's only getting harder, it's going to get really dark. It's going to get really dark before he comes. And I think that if we can experience and taste heaven, we'll be able to work and live through that
darkness. I couldn't agree more. And I think what we saw in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, I think that is just a small taste of what we have to look forward to. So again, it's very important we stand tall in our convictions and the more people we get on, you know, Team Jesus, that the stronger of community. And I think people when they see things like that, like, for example, and I just wanted to touch on this really quick, but there was something walking into a grocery
store without a mask. There were people who, of course they went on power trips, but you could see in people's eyes like that they appreciated that you're going out there and standing for something that meant something to a lot of people. Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure. I agree. And you know, I know that there are a lot of people that feel really
alone in their search for truth. And I am, like, it really just shatters my heart when people are say that, like they've lost kids or marriages or whatever in this pursuit, Like, I'm so sorry and I'm praying for those people. But here's the other thing. I really do believe that God is creating lighthouses, and where there's a lighthouse, there's not a lot of there's not a lot of other light, but you need these lighthouses to
stand out. And it's going to stand like all the people that are seeking truth and finding and standing for what they're convicted on, they are going to lighthouses and they're going to guide people home. Like that's that's going to be let your lyso shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your father in heaven. So yeah, that's I had no idea that I would talk this much, George, believe it or not. I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna fill a whole podcast. Oh, it
was tremendous. We could probably go on for another three hours, but I think this is probably a great place. We just hit the ninety minute mark and we've touched on so much, and you've presented everything so well, and I'm so appreciative to have you on and again to all the listeners. Andrea's website which is permaculture Princess dot com and her email address which is the Permaculture Princess at gmail dot com. We'll be in the show description. Feel free
to check out her website. Make sure you listen to the podcasts support her that way, and then you know, hit her up with your questions and your comments and your helloes, and you know, maybe if you're in the area. I mean, there's just so much this, this tremendous community we're building. And with that being said, I'll turn it over to you for the last word. Well, thank you so much. Yeah I am.
I'm so excited about being able to share. And then if anything came across, if anything came across, well, praise God because he gives us so much, and so I can think thank him for that. And uh yeah, I think to anybody who especially is feeling alone in this, I'm just going to leave you with Philippians one six, which says, being confident of this very thing, that he who has started a good work in us will
complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. So keep your hand to the plow and keep digging like it's not it's not done, it's not over yet, and there's there's more to this battle. Indeed, the battle has just begun. And I like, stand strong in your convictions and do everything like I tell my little one. Remember God's always watching. And what we said in the military was you know, you could really tell someone's moral compass of
what they're doing when they're not being watched. So you know, we are facing difficult times, you know, at the same time that they want you to think that everything is just misery and terrible. Don't live in fear. I mean living fear of God obviously and in that aspect, but don't live in fear of man. That That's the one lesson I took away from the whole COVID mess was people were so afraid of dying that they forgot how to
live. Amen. Amen, Yeah, yeah, for God is not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. So yeah, keep it up. You're doing a great work. George, thank you so much, and thank you so much. And again, folks, all of Andrew's contact information will be in the show description. And again, thank you all for your continued support. And until next time, my friends, God bless each and every one of you. Keep your head on a swivel. We will see you. I know it's been
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