Episode 107: Flat Earth Conversation with Rebecca

The following present is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files. I hope this podcast finds you well. Hope everybody had a great weekend. As we record it is Friday, October thirteenth, twenty twenty three. Our special guest is standing by. Just a couple quick housekeeping notes before we bring her on. First and foremost, I want to thank everyone who was a

part of the call on show Wednesday night. I think we had sixteen people call in. It was a really good time to have a conversation. However brief they might have been, but I enjoyed everyone who contributed, so thank you very much for that, and of course thank you to David. Please stop by the website the flat earthfiles dot com again, it's the flat Earthfiles dot Com. Leave your questions in the forum. I get a lot of

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com. I'm almost caught up with the emails. I fell behind when i was a little under the weather, but I'm almost there, and thank you all for your patience and your continued support. Now that we have that out of the way, we are going to bring on our very special guest joining us from the West Coast today is Rebecca. And Rebecca, thank you so

much for joining us today. It's great to have you. I am my name is Rebecca, and I am a little south of Portland, Oregon, and I'm joining today to talk to George here kind of see, I'm certain things out in my head and I'm on this journey with everybody else. And my brother joined that did this a couple months ago. I think maybe it was months ago. And his name's David and he's from Alaska. That's right. We had a great conversation. Yeah, I think that might have been

even back in August. I think it was about two months ago, and we had a tremendous conversation with him as well. So a little bit about your awakening journey from the truth now obviously yourself, like a lot of others, as we spoke before the podcast kicked off, comes kind of from your faith, which has been in your heart your entire life. Right. Yeah, I'm always believed that I was a literal believer Bible. That's what I

thought I was believing. I grew up. We only had like one or two radio stations one TV station, so on the top floor of the house I could get Portland Radio and at night I used to listen to Javern and McGhee and I've pretty much listened to him my whole life. And he's always said that if it's not in the Bible, then it didn't happen. And sometime after, maybe even during the whole swine flew thing, my daughter was terribly sick. She was six years old and she had pneumonia twice from the

swine flu. And after that she had a whole bunch of little health issues that she had never had before. She'd been super healthy her whole life up to that point, never got sick, barely ever, even had the common cold, And after that she started having trouble with sensitivities to foods and itchy skin, and just you know, every time she get bitten by a spider, it would bubble up and it would turn into a terrible staph infection. And I kept thinking, you know that, what is this? What is

this? Were we hoaxed? What happened here? How can my healthy kid go from a healthy kid have a flu an influenza? And then suddenly everything changes and it didn't make sense to me, and so I was kind of

starting to wake up. Then as things progressed, as I worked in lower rungs of the medical industry and started seeing correlations between you know, Okay, they get prescribed this medication, then a couple months later, we get prescribed this medication, and then we get this medication because we have this problem, and before you know it, a perfectly healthy seventy year old is now on twelve medications. How does that happen? What happened? And I started looking

in just looking at stuff. And one day my brother David calls me up and asks me this question. Do you believe the Bible as it is written? Do you believe it literally literally what you see? And I had sometime during COVID run out of things to watch and had started watching Answers in Genesis with ken Ham, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I do. Actually we need to talk about this, And so we started talking and he started talking to me about the shape of the earth, what does the

Bible say it is? What do I say it is? What does what does man say it is? And from there our conversations. Three years later. We let our spouses go to bed, and then we sit on the phone a lot longer than we probably should because we both got to work early in the morning. But two thirty in the morning, we're still talking. We have our Bibles out in front of us, and we're flipping through stuff, and we're looking at different things. We both turn YouTube on at the

same time, watch the same video. He'll send me a book in the mail. I send him a book in the mail. And our discussions are just what I would have said ten years ago. They're out there, and now I don't think they're out there at all. I think these are valid things. They need to be discussed. Yeah, and during those conversations, did you well, I guess let me start with my list of questions. When you were talking about the ill the illnesses and the things of that nature.

Did you come across things like aluminums and vaccines being a part of uh, you know these that were causing some of these illnesses. Is that one of the rabbit holes that you went down aluminums from aldehydes. I'll jump into any rabbit hole to be honest at this point. But for me, a lot of it, and I had I had, I had weird suspicions.

If I go back to when she was born, I wouldn't let them put eye drops in her eyes until I had held her because somebody had told me at the time, and I was terrified of having I didn't want anything to happen to my baby because I had been told I wasn't going to have one to begin with. I have polycystic ovarian disease. And so after eight years of marriage and you don't have a baby, and you haven't tried to prevent that, I would believe them. Yeah, And so I I did,

wantingything to happen to her. So I delayed a lot of her vaccines. I did not go by the schedule. I stretched it out. I remember scrambling to get her into kindergarten because I had delayed some of them so far, and she was old enough that man, she didn't want to be half that many shots in one day. And she was vocal enough. Yeah, she's very she's going into medical field. She's pre med at almost twenty years

old. And she's now the one we'll call you know. She was at our house recently dumped on half my plastic, half my tupper where disappeared and like, where did all this go? And she's like, Mom, do you not know the toxins that are in this? You have to get rid of this. I ordered you a bunch of glass stuff off of Amazon. Okay, okay, all right, I'm not going to argue with you.

This is my fault. Yeah, that's correct. I she's doing that because that is something in the sixties, I think is an other thing that we started to shift and change from. I remember a little bit when I was younger in the seventies where the milk and the juices all came and the sodas you know, all came in glass, and then they started to because it was cheaper. But as it turns out, of course, that is another thing that we utilize on a daily basis. That is not good for our

health. Right. There's a price to pay for everything. Yeah, there's a price to pay, and I think we're paying. And a lot of things for me going down, the vaccinations and the healthcare and things like that. Other things have come up. Both of my brothers and I've discussed our father was an Agent Ora. Well he is an Agent Orange exposey. Turns out he was probably in one of the heavily most heavily I won' want to say do sterea. I don't know any other way to put it right.

And I remember talking years ago. It was probably thirteen fourteen years ago when I first started at I was working at a nursing home and I met a gentleman and I was like, we are not that old, what are you doing here? And he told me that he was a pilot and that he flew Agent Orange in and out of Vietnam. And I had asked him at the time. I was like, is that why you're here? And he says, oh yeah, and he lived pulled his sleeve up and his arm

was just cubbed in tumors. And I was like, you guys didn't have like any protection, no bunny suits, and he's like, are you kidding? They told us it was good for us. Yeah, they told us it was so safe we could drink it. Yeah, don't forget that. That's within the time period where they told his cigarettes were safe and go go spray your dandelions with roundup and Agent Orange. And that really made my uncle's

quality of life miserable. Today I was thinking about my dad and I found an email that I sent him my mother and my sister on December fourteenth, twenty twelve, that said, please pass this along to Dad. He made one to pay a visit to the VA because he tried to get he had desert storm syndrome very bad, and he applied for benefits and he was turned down zero percent. And then you know us I did a publish a story on December thirteenth, twenty twelve about how the wind blew deadly gas to the

US troops where he was. And he passed away three four years ago this year, it was four years ago from pulmonary fibrosis. And once again, you know, the government are quick. I mean, look what's going on in the world right now. They're very quick to send us off, but they will do their best to get out of taking care of us. Oh, deny it um till they die. Yeah, isn't that the vasmorrow?

Yeah, one hundred percent. And I will say over the last well for a time there things seem to be getting a little better, and say the twenty tens, but it is slowly digressing. And when I turned down my vaccine the well air quotes vaccine the COVID JAB When I turned that downy they I haven't gotten a phone call in two and a half from them, so and I'm fine with that. That's okay. I call it the fauciauci, the fauciauci. There you go, the daba jaba do so amongst all.

It's interesting. Yeah, go ahead with your question please. Oh no, no, no. If you're still in this line, that's fine, we can continue. I was in I was in the nursing home still at that point, and when the COVID nineteen hit, and it was really interesting because our employer at the time and I went through a very weird period when I was working in the nursing homes. The last fifteen years I did nursing homework.

It was probably even the last seven was the weirdest because that's when I was starting to see stuff, and I was starting to pick up on things, things like hospice had changed during that point, that hospice wasn't what it was when I first started out nursing homes. It no longer was, at least in my eyes and some of my co workers. It wasn't about preserving a quality of life. It was about making your exit as quickly as you

could. And I just became very jaded about healthcare in general, because here comes the COVID and they're talking about us, and they're telling us we need personal protection. And when I finally got personal protection, our team did. It was the National Guard that delivered it to us, and I was like, wait a minute, how does that happen? How does the National Guard? How are they delivering personal protection to private industry? And I never have

been able to reconcile that. But the National Guard pulled up in front of our door one morning and delivered box after box of personal protection gear. And I've never been able to figure out how did that occur. I'm glad they did, even though I never I was exposed multiple times to COVID, never did get it while I was working in the healthcare industry, never got it.

Yeah, my wife didn't either, and you know she's she's an RN and we were ill a couple of weeks ago, which with something like it was the flu or whatever, and you know, you rest and recover, and you know, you put faith in your immune system and not in what man says will fix you. And it's funny anytime my daughter has something on and they go to a commercial. I'm telling you ninety percent of the commercials that are even on, like the free Roque and Pluto TVs, ninety percent

of the commercials are all from the pharmaceutical industry. And it's the same thing.

And I know I've beat this like a dead horse, but it's fifteen seconds of you know, you've lost your hair or your psoriasis is a problem, and then it's it's a minute and a half of side effects, and it's just you know, we were talking before the show about how some people that we know are what we say, go along to get along, and it's still, you know, after everything we've seen over the last three years, that people who can sit there and watch them and not and not get

upset by these these experiments, these these companies who are allowed to manufacture things that they are off the hook for legally. You know, if I created the George Hobbes Vehicle Division, right, if I started making cars and it turned out that you know, when you hit ten thousand miles, the cars would catch on fire, they would sue by me my behind, and I'd be out of business. But these companies are noted to have maimed and killed.

And from what I've heard, I was, you know, during the last three years, I did a lot of deep dives and interviews with people within the medical industry that said, those numbers that you see in verys, which is the vaccine adverse reaction, I figure what the whole thing stands for. But basically, if you know someone sick injured from a vaccine, you're supposed to report it. They say that's only between one to ten percent of the actual numbers that happens, and they're able to get all scott free.

And they looked people in the face and said, you take this or you're facing a winner of death back in twenty twenty one, and then you know now they look at us this year in the face and say, well, we know that one didn't work, but seriously, guys, I'm not kid

ya. This time it's really going to work. And it goes back to what we were saying again once again before we hit the record button, about how I want to put this as gently as possible as I think certain generations trusted the government a little bit more, and I think every generation for the last couple has trusted less. And I do think we are seeing a bit of a great awakening from it. And sorry I rambled on a little too much. No, my question to you would be, when's the last time

you got an influenza vaccine? Uh? When I was in the military, so hey, twenty fifteen. No, I would say it's close to one. I got the last one I got. The last one I got was I refused the one when my daughter had the swine flu. That's when I started refusing flu vaccines. Up to that point, I was very faithful. I got my flu vaccine, I got my hippatitis vaccine, I got my pneumonia vaccines. Any vaccine that they offered me, I took it. And

to that point after that, I didn't trust the vaccines. And as I started to research and I started to pay attention, and that was something too, the paying attention to the language that they were using. Yep, well, we've predicted that this year's influenza is going to be this, the vaccines are going to be out here, then the vaccines would happen, and then not long after that, well, they're not as effective as we anticipated.

We predicted the wrong strain, and half the nursing home would come down with influenza that fall in that winter. And I'm like, it's it's worthless. Why am I getting this vaccine. I noticed when I stopped getting the vaccine, I stopped getting pneumonia every fall. I have had nurses tell me there's no correlation. There's there's no no, no correlations, not causation. This doesn't Matt, No, You're just you, just you. You did better this year washing your hands. No I didn't. I washed my hands the

same amount. I didn't get the flu vaccine. Since I stopped getting it, I don't get pneumonia and bronchitis every fall in winter. I think there's something to that. They can tell me different, but I'm not gonna believe that. And I don't think. I mean, what is a vaccine supposed to be? Well, I had my smallpox vaccine as a child. I've never had smallpox. Isn't that what a vaccine is supposed to do. That was way back in the seventies. That's a great point. I don't think

anybody's ever said that before. It's but your flu vaccine is based on guessing, hoping you've got the right strain, hoping you've predicted. The strain that's gonna come through is the strain that what you've designed, some weird chemical that you shoot into your guinea pigs, is gonna work. And that's what I think they think we are. I think they believe we're guinea pigs. I think and I believe this is And I know it's all about money. I'm

not gonna say I believe it. I know it's all about money. And we're seeing right now, we see we've got a whole new cash cow out there. And it's not the COVID vaccine. It's something else. And every one of these people that they want to work on, it's what is it, multimillion dollars. They look at our kids and they see dollar signs. They could march them off to be sacrificed in war that we have no business in. They can pump them full of chemicals, their whole life and make

them all dependent on the medical industry. That's what they want. Yeah, And I would even go one step further and to say money is a huge part of it. I know when I was following Pfizer during the height of the vaccines they were clearing, they were netting forty billion dollars a quarter, So money was certainly a huge part of it. But I also do think it's power. I think they control much of the people who reside in Washington, DC. That's why they get so much protection. And then I do

think there's a big part of it is they want us sick. They want us to you know, they want to push the Alzheimers, the autism, because that in itself is a whole other business. And you look at the people, whether it be the Rockefellers or any of these the families where I'm not talking about rich, I'm talking top of the food chain. You know. You see when they pass they're like ninety nine, one hundred and two. And I think the average age for an American mail right now is mid

to like seventy four, seventy six, seventy eight. So you're talking about these people live an entire generation longer that than we do. So I think, to me, that's obvious that they're probably not taking vaccines. They're probably drinking milk that hasn't been pasteurized. They probably drink out of glass containers. And you know, they one of the reasons they say they call themselves illuminated is because they maybe have I'm not talking about knowledge as far as God.

I'm talking about worldly knowledge that maybe helped them live a little longer. And of course we fall for things like vaccines, et cetera. Yeah, goodfellas, I hear that. Yeah, well, and you look, you just look at you look at the people who are living. Well. Look at the queen who what she passed a year ago? Yeah, I think she had lived through how much? What did she see? And you didn't see

very many. So I'd say the last nursing homes I worked in, and I worked in that one for fifteen years, they had eighty two beds. I probably could count on one hand the number of people that lived to be one hundred there one hand. Two of them were. One of them was a full bird colonel in the army. Wow. And the other one I can't remember. He was pretty high up in the Navy and they both they both, oh mean, they looked good, they were healthy, and they

both were over one hundred when they passed away. The full Bird Army Colonel he was interesting. He used to tell me some interesting stories. I'll never forget him telling me, you know, stuff like because we think we know, we think we know. We watched the mainstream media. Of course I saw it on television, so what must have happened? And he would tell me how we were in Cuba long before the Cuban missile crisis, long before and everything. He'd tell me all the time. Girl, don't believe it.

Don't believe it. He says anything you hear on the news. Trust me, it's old, it's old. We've been there for a long time. We've been there much longer than they're telling you. Don't believe what you're told because he didn't believe anymore. That's good he was understanding. Was he a World War Two vette? Had to be, had to be. I know he was involved during Cuban Missile crisis. Okay, I know he was a Korean war vet. He had to have been. He had to have

been. He didn't talk about it, but had to have been. Did based on his age and his career. Yeah, well he's right about Excuse me. One thing is I had been on certain missions in Iraq and we would be in the dining facility, the chow hall the next day and the news story would break and we'd be like, that's not how it happened. And you know, we saw firsthand how the news is manipulated to invoke a certain opinion. Right, they talked about all the colonels and generals over there,

we're talking about winning the hearts and minds. I'm like, well, probably bombing the cities and raiding people's houses at nauseum is not a great way to win people's hearts and minds. So they ended up having to do it through cash and creating a system called money as a weapons system and paying people four or five hundred dollars a month to stop shooting at us. So it's just military intelligence, as they say. Right, the things I saw is

just nothing ceases to amaze me anymore. What did I want to talk about? So within you know, these conversations and kind of going through the awakening, we all go through different rabbit holes. What was the first one that really caught your mind and said, wait, a second, what's really going on here? Was there one rabbit hole that really made you stop and think that maybe they're lying to us about everything? Yeah? Yeah, so one

of the the very first conversation. It's funny because I've listened to your podcast off and on now since my brother brought it to my attention, and he brings one of the first things out of the gate. He brings after he gets me to say, yes, I believe that the Bible is as it's written, and I believe it was intended literally Genesis literally and I he says when he brings up about flat Earth. I think he was thinking I was going to say, was he was off his nut? But I was like,

okay, yeah, this is a conversation we can have. Yeah, we can talk about this. I started looking at the videos that he wanted me to look at, and a lot of them were Mark Sergeant. There's another guy he passed away during COVID. I can't think yes, Skiba. And I called my brother back up one day and I was like, they've lied to us. They've lied to us about the whole solar system. And he goes, what I said, the whole solar system, Joshua go back to Joshua. I said, how how could God stop the Sun and the

moon in their courses? If the Sun and the moon are supposed supposedly stationary, I said, or the sun at least, I said, the sun is The Sun is not stationary. The Sun revolves around the Earth. And that's the only way that that works. If God stopped the sun so that Israel complete their battle, I said, he had to be able to stop it from things. So the sun was living, I said, this is

I said, we're we're not helio centric at all. They've lied to us and then I told I said, okay, so they've been lying to us for that long. A holy cow that goes all the way back to Copernicus Galileo. I said, it's all a lie. It's all a lie. And he's like, but why why would they lie? And I was like, well, because the enemy only has one goal, seek and destroy. I said, he's got to destroy as many of us as he can, take as many of us out as with him. I said, that's the

whole thing. To destroy us, all to hide God, hide the truth, hide God, and take as many of us with us with him as he can. That's the whole thing. That's it, that's his whole goal. It's nothing more complicated than that. I don't know if he was with me on that day or not on helio centricity, but I'm kind of stuck there. I can't get past that I have I've stuck there. I'm there's

no going back at that point. If it goes all the way back to Copernicus, if it goes all the way back to is that Pope Innocent? I want to say it's Pope Innocent, I would have to look it up. I get the popes, there's so many of them with the same name, But it goes all the way back there, So that to me, okay, well, the popes are involved, the Vatican's involved, Well, yeah, that makes sense. The Vatican was one of the most powerful entities

on this earth at that time. And if you believe that the pope is literally the mouthpiece of God, that God speaks through the Pope, that the pope is capable of changing scripture, then you're not going to notice when the pope, when the pope changes everything. Because that was the other thing we both struggled with, how how do you get so many people to believe this? Well, over fifty percent of the world was Catholic at the time,

this pre Martin Lizard, pre Reformation. Good point. So yeah, you can definitely deceive that many people if you believe that the pope is a direct mouthpiece of God. Yeah. Nothing against Catholics, because I've got great Catholic relatives, wonderful people that I believe are Christians. But if you don't know your scripture, you're going to be deceived. And if you believe scripture is

changeable, you're going to be deceived. Yeah, and back then you dare not question the pope right what he said went, And it wasn't really until the Reformation when you started to see people challenge the narrative. And I do. First, I think it's funny, not funny, ha ha. But it's called the solar system. But when you if you slow it down, it's on it's the sole lore system because it hides God and maybe it's just luring souls away from God. And then you'd mentioned Joshua with the sun and

the moon standing still. If it was Helio centrism, everybody should have dripped it off into space. And again I think I find it, I find it very interesting that much of this, Like you said, the Copernicus era happened right after the Reformation, and I think they felt like they had to

do something and this was one of the things. And there is some proof, I want to say, it was like fifteen thirty two where Copernicus and Martin Luther were at a dinner and Martin Luther said, you were your heliocentrism is completely it goes completely against the Word of God. And there is some you can find it again, who knows that this conversation that happened, you know, six hundred years ago, but there is some people who believe that

that actually happened. So, yeah, what are your thoughts on that? If that did happen? I mean Martin Lizzer, Martin Lizzer recorded most of his thoughts. I mean, you've got the Book of Concord. That's that's an interesting thing too, because I've been and I told you earlier before you hit the record button. I was raised in the assemblies of bad Church. I was raised pentecostally evangelical. I and I'm still a little bit of a Holy roller. It's what I do. However, I as I get older,

I become more I lean more into what you know? Is it in scripture? Can I find it? Can I find it in scripture? If it's not in scripture, can I find it in apocryphal text? Can I find it in you know? Is it somewhere? Does scripture even point to it? Because that and that goes back to like when you ad asked about how I woke up, I think I was waking up. And that's one of the things when I hit ken Ham's stuff and was able to start really

looking at Genesis and really really dig into Genesis. And I keep going back to it the last three years. I keep going right back to it because is it there? Is it? Can we find it? Can we find it pointed to? All scripture in the Old Testament points to the New Testament. All the New Testament points you back to the Old Testament. They support each other. They I'm not sure that they would work on their own.

It would leave a lot up to guessing. But you can find even in the New Testament, there are references to the sun, there are references to the Earth being fixed. You can find reference to what does fixed mean? Well, it's unmovable. Well, scripture is immutable. Scripture is infallible because it's God breathed, and God is infallible, then I have to believe what Scripture is telling me. And Martin Lizard, that's where he was. I mean, he didn't set out to start a whole new religion. He just

wanted to have a conversation with the pope. The pope didn't want to converse. It's interesting that Comperniscus would have sat down and I could see that. I could see that happening. I'd like to have been a fly on the wall. That would have been great. There's several conversations throughout history that I didn't like to have been a fly on the wall. Yeah, I'd like to see how that went. Yeah, And sadly, so much of our history is at best diluted. How much of it is even made up?

Completely? Right? I'm sure some of it is. Maybe maybe Christopher Columbus didn't even exist. A lot of people think that William Shakespeare didn't exist, that all his writings were by Francis Bacon. So I'm I mean, who knows. It's a shame that we have to work so hard to discern the truth, but it really is what it is. My next question to you is, why do you think people get so set off by the subject of flat earth, you're challenging their ideology. If you challenge somebody's idea, you're

challenging everything they believed. If you've wrapped yourself up in what you believe, if what you believe is what makes you who you are, then you're gonna fight. Somebody challenges that because they're challenging what you believe you are. I didn't get terribly wrought up about it because I was maybe because I was questioning, but maybe also because it's I'm pretty secure with scripture. It is, it's it's not Scripture is not obscure, it's not hidden, it's pretty open.

All you have to do is read it, read it, and believe it. But we've seen the last few years a lot of things. If you challenge it, the fight is on, man, the fight is on. They're gonna light you on fire. They're going to light the dumpster by your house on fire, They're going to burn your village to the ground, and it's all over what do I believe? And if all you believe is what you've been told, and you've got nothing better to back you up than

insults, then yeah, you're gonna have a fight. I think if we relied more on scripture and we were a little bit more I don't want to say sedate, but a little bit more more willing to say, let's put a pause on the conversation. I've got research to do. Apparently, now that you've brought this up, let me have a little time to, you know, to look at it, and I'm gonna call you back and then we'll continue our discussion. If we were also too I think that too many

people aren't equipped with the ability to have a Socratic discussion. It's I don't know what are there eight different eight different arguments? Is that what they're called their old arguments? You're red hair and you're straw man, you're all the different ones. People don't even know what those are. They don't even know you. You'd look at them and you're like, that's a straw man argument. What the heck is a straw man argument? Oh my goodness, you

don't know what a straw man argument is? Okay, we have to start at the beginning. It's it's but the big core of it is it's you're challenging. You're challenging their ideology, and that's wrapped up in who they are and believing what you believe, because I know I believe. I believe what I believe is what makes me. The core of who I am and the or who I am is is about finding truth and scripture and sharing that truth

and reproducing that truth in the lives of others. Well done, And how I know a lot of people when you start going into the truth community and the different rabbit holes, how it kind of changes your interests almost like maybe things that people with sports and movies and entertainment, how they fall by the wayside, and how the passion for the truth becomes a big part of your life. Yeah, I don't have time to the NFL. Somebody said to me the other day, they were like, what are you watching? And

I don't remember what I was watching it? Oh, I think I do remember when I was watching it. I was watching a thing about were the Native Americans the first people on you know, in the Americas? And if they weren't, who were they? My husband has a very simp plants for my husband will look you know it's the omes because his his Mexican American. He's well he's a naturally citizen, but he was born in Pueblo, Mexico, and so he has very very interesting ideas as well. He's the He's

a whole another conversation. We're not allowed to watch the album's house. It causes days and days of discussion. But you They were like, you'll watch that, but you won't watch a football game, and I was like, no, yeah, no, I'm actually this is edifying. I don't find football edifying. I'm sorry, I just don't. I don't find the MMA fights edifying. I just don't think going out and seeing I can beat that,

you know, because I know I could beat some of them. I can grow beard faster than them, and I can beat them into the ground. But I don't think any of this is edifying. And I want to feed my brain. I want to feed what's going on up here. Occasionally I'll watch some mindless something mindless is what I call it. Something that doesn't take a whole lot of thought. But it does change your interests, it changes what you're interested in. It Also, I think it forces you to

dig back into scripture. If that's your if your core is your is scripture, if your core is leaning into our Triune God, then yeah, you're going to be forced back into it because you have to look it up. You've got to look it up. You got to find it, and the scripture's going to speak to you, and the scripture is going to point you in the right direction every single time. So it's going to change your interests. Ultimately, I never read Spurgeon until after my brother and I started discussing

flat Earth and geocentricity versus heliocentricity. It sent me to Spurgeon, of all places, Charles Spurgeon, What was the next question I was gonna I was gonna ask you your church, is that something that how do you think your pastor would react if you brought that up? Is that something the Genesis and you know the creation? Is that talked about much in your church? That's funny. We're doing a deep dive. We started four months ago, at

the beginning, four or five months ago. We started in Genesis, and we're still taking a quick pause to look at the Lord's Prayer line by line, and then we'll be going back to Genesis and we probably won't complete it

until the end of the year. I've never been at a church that did a deep dive that I think that would be something interesting to bring up with pastor Bill, because I've never been anywhere where they went chapter by chapter, verse by verse or verse by verse through Genesis, and there they've been doing it, and I've found that a lot of what they're saying I'm I'm good with. They're definitely young Earths, which is important because the scripture just doesn't

support an old Earth. The discussion about the dinosaurs, that that's an interesting conversation all by itself. A lot of it winds up being, you know what, what do you believe a dinosaur is? I don't think it's what I was told it was right in Jurassic Park, right, right, right? Right? Isn't it interesting? Godzilla looks like a t rex? Yeah?

Right? And Hollywood programming, right, I think I think dinosaurs and the ball they put at the beginning of Universe Pictures and all the other ones, and every movie TV show you watch, there is a globe within that program and it's it's reinforcement propaganda, is what it is. There's a reason they call it programming. That's right. The TV programs you exactly, no,

that is exactly it. It is programming. I mean you can see it actually, and the ideal and the ideology of this current generation of youth. You can see where the programming has led. I hear you ask all the time. You know, you have people you know, why does this matter? Why does it matter at all? And I think why? For me, it's what are we teaching our kids? What are they we're we're teaching them at home? We have scripture. We measure it all against scripture.

Everything needs to align with scripture. You should be looking at it through scripture colored glasses. But then we send them to the government programming camp called public school. And even charter schools aren't all that safe anymore. Charter school still takes a certain amount of their money from the government. From the government,

which is from your taxes. I mean, they rape and pillage your paycheck and take your tax money and in this state, to the tune of like forty two percent of your income by the time they're done with local taxes and everything else. But we send them to that programming camp where they are programmed. When they first walk into kindergarten, there's a round globe looks just

like I mean, it's it's the shape of a bouncy ball. Then on the map again it's round Earth. Why does it look funny, Well, because we had to make it look like that so that it you know, but if you put it all together, it's a round ball again. And then you bring them over here, and you know, they're being taught that we're heliocentric, that we went to the moon and that we did this,

and that we're going back to the moon. Don't you know, we're gonna build whole villages on the moon, and we're gonna do this and that, and we're going to Mars too, by the way, don't forget we're going to Mars. Have we been back to the moon. When's the last time we went to the moon? Because I know India didn't go. That was the worst. That was an insult to anybody's intelligence. Anybody who bought that looked like a nineteen eighty two video game. You know. I just kept

looking at it, going, what the heck? What in the actual heck? What is that? It's trash? You can get better clip art than that. Yeah, I think that's honestly, part of it is deception. But I also think a large part of this is mockery, Like like they're saying, even though most people will well say that's fake. They're not going to do anything about it. What are they going to do to us? So I think a big part of what they do was mockery in addition to

deception. Fear, well, fear, I mean, there has to be there has to be some incentive to take you know that, even if you don't believe it, to take it and to go along, like you know we've said go along to get along, well, you have to have an incentive. Fear is a great motivator. Fear is a really good motivator. I mean, look at the fears of having food. How many food shortages

have we seen in you know, different stuff ash. I remember during the COVID nineteen going to my local Walmart and there was no bread, there was no kale. Because I'm an Oregon, we had to have a kale shortage, no toilet paper, and people were terrified. And I'm sitting here thinking, you know, I've got to start growing a better garden. I don't

need that. We're terrified because we've become dependent. Was it Henry Kissinger that said that if you control, if you control all the food market, something to this effect. I know this is wrong. It's me. I'm knowing saying it wrong. But the gist of it was that if you controlled the food, you controlled the whole world. All you needed to do was control the food. And the Cargo family controls seventy percent of all the food that

you know here in America. And there's another great example, Henry Kissinger. That guy is one hundred years old and it looks like he's never He doesn't even look like he's in great shape. It's just amazing these people. I mean, he was consulting presidents going back into the sixties and here we are in twenty twenty three. He's still going. California senator that just passed away, Diane Feinstein was she ninety nine years old. They were wheeling her into

the Senate so that she could vote. Yeah, her aides were helping her vote. This is like I was sitting there thinking, this is this is pathetic politics. I call him my friend. I haven't seen him in a long time. I probably need to go to one of his coffee sit downs. But I've met Clyde Lewis and had some discussions with him over the Year's Cup two three times. He likes to say, and I know this isn't an original saying, damn, but politics is theater for the ugly. Yeah,

it's a divide and conquer it is really what it is. And we talked about accountability, and you know how they were just getting away with everything they got away with during COVID, I'll just put it that way. And then you know, February twenty twenty two, everybody forgot about COVID and you were either Ukraine or Russia, and then a couple days ago now you're either Israel or Palestine. And what that really shows is that the basic premise of

politics, they have used it to divide and conquer the country. Whether it's sports, whether it's politics, every thing that they put out there is to number one, take your attention off of them. And I'm talking about the people in DC because the power to the people should be at the lowest levels. The most powerful entities that have an effect on your life should be either

in your city, or in your county, or in your state. The entire role of the federal government should simply be to dispute or to handle disputes between the states. And this has become a monster that has no accountability. And like you said, about five or ten minutes ago you work. I think I forget if it's the end of March or early May. There's a day when they say you've officially paid your taxes, and then you start working

the rest of the year for yourself. Like the first three and a half months, all that money goes to the government, and then from April whatever on goes to you. That it's you know, it's a quarter of the year that you work for, is money that goes for the government that you have no control over. You saw going out the door to Ukraine to be

laundered, and all these silly things that go on in our country. And once again they will tell you, the people on the TV will tell you, well, you just need to hope, you need to vote better, vote harder in twenty twenty four. So for the next you know, fifteen months, thirteen months, you just need to sit back and let things go as they may, and just vote little harder next time and things will turn

out your way. Right. Little Larry Nortman in his song of Great American novel once he asked the question, what would happen if none of us would vote? What would happen? That's agreed? They not choose a president. I'm sure they would come up with some kind of draft resolution. It would be an official coin flip yourself. They would come up something ridiculous. It's not going to stop anything. No, not at all. Just like there's no Speaker of the House. Now, has it changed anything? Has it?

No? Now, none of it. It's all theater is what it is. It's divide and conquer because that I said this today or yesterday in an email to someone, I said that the president of the United States hasn't had power at least since the sixties. Okay, they you're you're a figurehead who reports to other entities, whether they be banks or uh government like the CIA. Right, you don't. The proof is in the pudding. Look

at Joe Biden. If you think that gentleman there is writing policy, doing anything other than doing what he's told then I don't know what he's told you that he's told us that though if you if you hear some of the outtakes, some of the and and and and This is by no means a partisan discussion, because I think the one side is just as bad as the other. I don't think they're any different. No, of course they work together.

Yeah, so, but he has been on stage. There was two three weeks ago he was the press Corps was in front of him and somebody said. He's like, oh, I didn't get a list to who I could call on. And I don't remember who asked him. It might have been. Is that Peter Doucey, the one that really gets under his skin? Yeah, Fox, Yeah, the young guy. And he's like, no, no, because he's like, well, just choose somebody, and he's like, no, no, I can't do that. I have to

call on who. They told me. You're supposed to be the leader of the free world and you need permission to ask a question from somebody. It's just ridiculous. And people still think voting is going to make a difference that the system is broke right. It's just like when your car is totaled, you can't fix it. You got to get another one. And that's really where we're at now and we need do you know it wasn't always set up

this way. It's very interesting when you look at Senate and the Senate and that House representatives because if you go back to Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett and when they were in Senate yes, one of them was a senator. Know your history, otherwise you're doomed to repeat it. But they they didn't. It wasn't a career. You didn't go there. That wasn't your career.

That was not how you survived. They would go there for a short time and then they'd go back to their will and Daniel Boone's case, he'd go back to his trap lines. But it wasn't your career. You weren't expected to be there until you were old, so you didn't need to have all the benefits. You didn't need to get a salary. That's right. It was community service. You were doing this as a service to your community. Yeah, really, well said you were. It was an honor to step

out of private sector and to serve the public. And now we're at a place where they think that, you know, we serve them, where they're looking to us as serfs or served them. And it's interesting that you had mentioned Davy Crockett because he was in right around the time. He was the House of Representatives from Tennessee. But he was around the same time. There was a party a lot of people don't know about called the Anti Masonic Party.

The people during that time frame, the Crocketts, the William Morse who invented the Morse Code. They understood that there were secret societies that have infiltrated our country, between the Jesuits and the Masons. And there was actually a party called the Anti Masonic Party, and of course, I think what would end up becoming the Republican Party kind of absorbed the Whig Party, which I

think Davy Crockett was, and they Anti Masonic Party. Because remember, we can't have three, four or five things to choose from, you only get two. You know, you got to properly divide the country everything. You got to be this or that, and God forbid if you don't have a choice, right, Like if you tell if you know, my mom said, who'd you vote for? I didn't vote, So why should you settle for the less evil? Right? Well, that's all you're doing. You're

voting for the lesser of two evils. Yeah, thank you, That's exactly what I was going to say, the lesser of two evils. It's the same thing with your food. So ten corporations control all the food in the world, and those corporations, if you break it down, one or two large groups control those ten corporations. Well, if you're the only gas station for miles around, you get to set the price. Yeap nobody else. Nobody can complain because you have no place else to go. You don't have

anywhere else to go. It's the same thing with our politics. We're going to give you the two people. Well, you have kids, I have one, but I've been a nanny for year. I was a nanny for years. One of the things you learn right off is do not let them choose their clothes. If you hair what they look like, what do you do. You go in and you pick two outfits and you put them up. All right, are we wearing the red outfit or are we wearing the pink outfit? You like both of them? Make sure you like both of

them, because otherwise you don't really get to complain. And it's where we're at now. They're holding up do I want this one or this one? And they're each equally evil. There's no real difference, it doesn't matter. Nothing changes. Yeah, And going back to one of the few responsibilities of the government should have is ensuring that monopolies don't take over like you were just talking about, and we have evens oh my goodness, we're all guilty,

all of us are guilty of championing Amazon. And you know, I don't know how people can't see between Walmart, Amazon, and the federal government that from ten years from now, that's going to be ninety percent of the workforce. US government is already the largest employer in this country. Amazon is slowly getting there. And if you believe Jeff Bezo started this in a garage, then once again I got a bridge to sell you. This is all yeah

to lead. This is nineteen eighty four where everybody go look back at what was going on in Whymar, where everybody did the same things, worked in the same places. And we're kind of living in a y Mar two point zero right now. But that's what they want. They want everybody to you're either going to work for the federal government or you're going to work for Amazon or Walmart. It's going to be a very few entities out there where you're

going to work for. Their whole goal is to eliminate the middle class and by having all these small businesses that and they started that full blast in twenty twenty when they told you you weren't essential, right, don't you think that that was part of the part of the reason now COVID nineteen destroyed. We spend quite a bit of time on an Oregon coast and it was nice because as you as you got closer to the coast, then there's no wal Mart.

You can only go to small businesses, mom and pop shops. When we went once Oregon allowed you to be able to go back to moving freely. First time we went back to the coast, I kid you not. I think there's less than twenty percent of the mom and pop shops are left. They're just gone, boarded up and gone. Now there's I think there's a Walmart either in Lincoln City or Newport. I'm not sure which there's definitely though, I mean they've got a fred Meyer out on the coast. Now

they've got well they've had a fred Meyer until for years. But I mean it's corporations, more fast food. Now they've got their Dutch Brother and the Starbucks and they've got you know, everything everything they're corporate, corporately owned. All the mom and pop shops are gone. This little fudge shop that you could go to and get cranberry fudge and to all the different flavor you know, lavender, fudge if you want to eat soap, but just gone.

And I think that was part of it. They there was an opportunity there with COVID and let's take out the small business. Let's take out the family owned business. They've been weeding out family farms for years. You can see it through the Midwest. We see it here in Oregon. Tillamook is one of the last holdouts. Tillamook are still local farmers delivering their milk to Tillamook and you can get your Tillamook cheese. And they're not owned by one of

those big ten corporations. But dere Gold they're owned by one of the big corporations. Their gold is by no means local. That's interesting. And the other thing, the whole other layer to this is when all these local businesses and small businesses go out of business, then that's more property for the black Rocks and those types of to snatch up for pennies on the dollar because yeah, and you know what they do it that they build a parking lot.

Yeah yeah, and in many cases they get it for pennies on the dollar because in most cases the people gave up the property because they couldn't afford to pay for it. When we moved to this area, it was oat farms, potato farms. This particular city, it's a little city culture with Oregon, and it was the oat farms, potato farms, and onion farms primarily. That's all there was. There was no Target, there was no Walmart. There wasn't even a Walgreens. We had an Albertson's and we had a

Safe Way and maybe one or two Starbucks. At the time, with one little high school and one elementary school and one middle school. There were more churches than bars today. In twenty years, all the oat farms that you could see from the highway as you pass through, they're gone. They are gone. We now have a Target, we have a Walmart, we have a Walgreens. We have a huge medical plaza up on the corner across from Walgreens. If you want to see the farms now, you've got to drive

fifteen minutes out of town to find one of the farms. We have some hobby farms in along the highway that are there. I believe they're there for looks, that's it. But I mean, we didn't even have a hotel. Now we have a hotel, a huge YMCA. We call it the Sherwood Country Club because who can afford to join the y anymore? But I mean it's all gone. It's all gone. They're either parking lots or big

box stores. That's that's said, because you know, growing up, we were told that small business was the backbone of this country, and it had. At one time. Small business was I think eighty percent of it. And anybody who tries to say that now is just pulling your leg, certainly without effect. Going back a little bit, when you, yeah, when you were going down your rabbit holes at everything, Well, let me ask you this first growing up, and before you started going into the rabbit holes,

did you buy into the hole? We went to the moon thing? Is that anything that you really ever even questioned or was it just a part of the show. Sure my mom saw on TV? Right, I mean, for that matter, I watched The Challenger Explode on TV in my classroom when I was in maybe the sixth or seventh grade. I you know, I watched it. They would wheel the t they would wheel the television into your classroom. I don't know how old you are, but I was born

and so I was born under Nixon. So, but I remember the television on the cart with the VCR and they'd wheel it into the classroom and we were tiny school. I graduated from a class of eighteen students. We would watch the watch the rockets go off to the you know, and we're like, Oh, they're going up into the sky. They're gonna they're gonna try to go back to the moon. We're going to go back to them someday. Did we go? And if we did go, did we go when

they said we went? At the very least, That's where I'm at on that is, if we went. But I'm not convinced because I can't find anywhere in scripture where it says the firmament was destroyed. There's I cannot find anywhere that it says the firmament was destroyed or removed. So I'm not convinced that there's not still a firmament and that we're not enclosed. We're certainly not a never expanding universe. Because there's only two places in the Bible where you

can find the words it's finished. You find it's finished in Genesis, when God's done creating with the creation, which means nothing else happens after nothing else is created. After that, again you find it is finished when Jesus is dying on a cross. Those are the only two places the firmament. It must still be there. The Bible doesn't say it was removed, doesn't say it was destroyed. So I'm not a big fan of coming up with things on my own. I don't want. I'm not gonna certainly not going to

add to it. Pretty sure somewhere in the Bible it's some there somewhere it says that I'm not supposed to add. Well, it also says I'm not supposed to run unless somebody's chasing me. But that's I think that's in psalms or proverbs, which is clearly clearly poetic and metaphoric. But the rest of the Bible doesn't say that. It's going to tell you if it's metaphoric.

It's going to tell you I's allegorical. And if it doesn't tell you it's allegorical or metaphorical and it's not there, then you certainly have to do some serious acrobatics to make it fit. And I cannot find a place where it easily fits. But the firmament's gone, so it to me it's at the very least questionable that we went to the moon. But I have a hard

time believing. I have a hard time believing they can make it past the firmament agreed to one hundred percent, and Genesis two, verse one says, thus the heavens and the Earth were finished, and all the host of them. And like you said, that goes completely against an never expanding universe. And I would think if the firmament was destroyed, we'd be a little wet right now, you know, if you took the yeah, because that's what's used to separate the waters. So again, I think it's all part of

their deception. It's part of their evolution theory, their Big Bang theory, that you're just here on Earth and when you're done, you're done, right, You're just a small piece of this ever expanding universe. And you know, Hollywood reinforces you have, yeah, what hope you have? And Hollywood reinforces it with There's Aliens, right, all these different movies with with the

Aliens. And then they also are able to use it as another tool of fear, right because any minute, you know, the Earth could get struck by an asteroid. You can google asteroid. Just put asteroid in Google and you'll find a story within the last thirty to forty five days that says asteroid CE twenty four oh seven narrowly missed Earth by one point two million miles every moth that's always in there. Yeah, well so people may think I'm off my net there, but you know, I mean, you do hear people.

You know, Oh, I was kidnapped. Aliens? Were you? You were kidnaped by a demon. A demon is harassing you. We need to talk about what you need to do in your house. You've got it. You've got a demon problem, not an alien problem. And what do you think uh brings in demons into people's lives? Is it what they're doing? Is it the the articles in their home? You you invite them in? Uh, there's like I said, I need to cut that says it's

in the Bible or something. There's a place in the Bible where it talks about that rebellion is is as or where's my blue letter? Rebellion is as I want to say, as evil as possession something. Yeah, you're probably I'm not as sharp on the uptake right now, but it's it's terror, it's it's rebellion. We're rebelling. If you yeah, yeah, if you rebel against the world commandments, the hand of the Lord is against you. That's Samuel. That's not what I was looking for. But you you opened

the door. You have to have opened a door somewhere. And and it's not because I mean, we're born sinful people. That's that's the whole thing. And it's our whole, our whole existence from the start we're born. And people don't want to hear that. It's an unpopular opinion to say that we're we're born in sin, but we are. The Bible is pretty clear about that. Our whole existence should be moving back toward God. We should be pointing back there, which you know, and the Bible is there to

guide you and help turn you back. But we're rebellious and we want to do what we want to do, and we don't want to be told that we can't. You know that certain things are evil, and let me tell you, they make evil look pretty good, don't they. They make it look it's exciting. Do you want to go to Disneyland or do you want to go to the Ark and Counter? Every little kid in creation wants to go to Disneyland. Mine didn't. She wanted to go to Dollywood, But

I'm not even sure that's a safe place. Right now, it looks good, but when you start to get down to the roots of some of it, it goes back to what we said earlier. There's a reason that what you see on your TV is called programming, and the enemy is out there looking for us. He wants to destroy us. He's gonna make evil look good. He's gonna make it easy for kids. To look at the kids today. They I actually have a friend whose daughter looked her in the face

because she's like, why are you doing these things? Do you not understand that you're going to destroy yourself? She's like, I'm nineteen, I'm supposed to do these things. I'm supposed to be rebellious. No, who told you that? Who told you you were supposed to be rebellious? Well, that's what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to act crazy now. That way, later on I can be boring like you. Once again, that goes back to what they're taught in school. That's what they're told. Yes,

that's what they're told. That's what they're told. Sew your wild oats now, how many times have you heard it? I mean, any any trashy novel you pick up. They talk about young men need to sew their wild oats and young women need to be rebellious when they're young. No, actually you don't. You really don't, and it's probably better if you don't. You certainly have fewer regrets. You certainly will look back on stuff that you said when you were younger and not sit there and go, oh,

my gosh, why didn't somebody shut me up? Did you guys not have a muzzle? Could you not have stopped me? I mean I did it. I've done and I nearly I mean you can A lot of us could probably say this. I've believed things that are not true. I've believed things that were not scriptural, and I can trace a lot of it back. And I know my teachers didn't know any better. My science teacher was a great he was a great teacher. He didn't I don't believe he knew any

better. It goes back to having a surface level of script knowledge of scripture. It goes back to not teaching Genesis history. If we don't teach it as being historically accurate. If we do not teach it as written, then how can they believe anything else you say? Put it to you this way.

A friend of mine's a prosecuting attorney. When you're on the stand and you testify, if they figure out that you're lying or that you're not being truthful, then all of your testimony, everything you've already given, and everything you might give, is now no longer valid. Nothing you said matters. And so you'll hear people and they'll say, well, yeah, I know they lied to us, and they lied to ski gearman. Yep, that was all about lies and experimenting on people, you know, Vietnam with Agent

Dora, and yeah, they lied to our soldiers. Oh, they've lied to us about desert storm, they lied to us about this. Okay, Well, why do you believe anything they have to say? Hasn't that been enough? They've lied to you all these times. They've been lying to us and Copernicus. Why is anything that comes out of any major power valid? At this point? The only place where I can trace it I haven't been

lied to is in scripture. That's an excellent point. And as soon as enough people catch on, they just go to the next deception, and then people forget about the last one. It's it's just uh, it's kind of disappointing. And nine to eleven we were never going to forget, right, yeah, right, Oh my goodness, gracious, we were never going to forget nine to eleven. And then as soon as enough people forgot, as soon as it was down the memory hole, then COVID was that the next

one. Oh my gosh, there were there was many. There was Iraq, there was well, there were many mini ones. There was that just swine flew and there was that virus that caused the baby's heads to be tiny. There was thing Gozzi. There's one after another. But yeah, COVID was the next, big, big obviously. Yeah, that was the next that was on. And that one thing that I don't think we discuss enough is how every single country was in and I hate to use this term,

but was in lockstep. They all did the same thing. Everybody did the six feet, everybody did the masks. How can you not see at that point that the one World government is already falling into place? Oh, when's the last time we had a Jesuit pope? That I don't know a whole lot about it, but there has always been some talk about the reason that Jesuits weren't historically popes was because the Jesuits were the legal arm of the Catholic

Church. They weren't, and there was some there. There's some people who believe that there's some prophecy about the Jesuit pope being the last pope, that the last pope will be a Jesuit and that he'll be somehow part of the one World government, and that I don't know a lot about. I do know though, that there's there're separating a goats and cheat sheep, and I have wonder if we're not seeing the weeding out, the winnowing, weeding out

who who are believers, who's really who's really there? Who are really you know, what is the Harlot Church going to be? I don't think it's going to be one church. It's going to be a lot. It's going to be in very generalized, not just one little church. But we're going to win a I'm out maybe a small gleaning or not gleaning. What is it called culling of the herd spot on, and we're culling. We're being

culled, yep, a thousand percent. And they're they're not hiding it either, And I'm glad you mentioned that because it was a question I overlooked. And I'm not just your thoughts on this question, but where do you think that where where do you think we are biblically in the stages of things. I mean, at the very least, we're at the beginning of the end. I mean we're not going to know the date or time, we're not going to but when we do have signs to look for. There everybody thinks

that they know who the Antichrist is. Everybody's got to eat YouTube channel about the Antichrist. There's I think there's I mean, if you read, if you read very carefully in Revelation, there's going to be many small Antichrists that come up, and you have wonder if that's not to wake us up. That's a good point. Uh, you know, I'm the Pope definitely. I mean, he's he doesn't seem to be, but he could could be an Antichrist. I mean, you look at what he's teaching, how he's

even changed the wording of the Lord's prayer. It doesn't mean the way he's worded it, it doesn't mean the same thing that it means when you read your Bible, and when you read your Bible, are you reading a Bible it's pre nineteen eighty because if you really pay attention, they've changed the words. It's one of the reasons you've got to go into the lexicon when you're

looking stuff up a really good example. I mean, and they are changing the words, they're changing history with the very I mean, at the very least, we're at the beginning of the end. And I say that because, like you said, you brought up nineteen eighty four. I have a list of books everybody ought to read in my head. One of them is nineteen eighty four. Another one that people ought to read is Brave New World.

And the third one would be Screwtape Letters. If you read the Screwtape Letters and you start looking at what's going on in our world, the Screwtape Letters is frightening. It's really scary. There is so much change in your Bible and in classic literature, and you had no idea. Everybody thought last year when they said they were going to change Charlie in the Chocolate Factory and Rolled Ball's books, that that was the beginning. Oh, go back,

go back, pick up Little House on the Prairie. If you can pick up an early edition of Little House in the Prairie and you can pick up when published here in the last ten years, they've made a lot of changes.

They've made a lot of changes. There's a word and it starts with an A, and the word means essentially, I can't pick the word out of my head right now, but it essentially means when you are taking today's ideals and today's ways that we do things and you're super imposing it on a time when those ideals and those ways of doing things were not present, and we do that. You see it all the time. Well, we need to change this TV show as we produce it because there's not enough people of

color. We need to change this TV show and we need to take out all these words that today we consider to be nasty words. Well, I'm really sorry, but Henry the eighth he really did marry only a bunch of white women. There just weren't that many black women in that time period that were at that were in his is the word casete. We're in his class, They just weren't. And it's today. Yeah, we do things very differently. Race is an interesting discussion, especially if you look at it in

the book light of the Book of Genesis. Book of Genesis doesn't bring up race, because we're all one race Medieva. You can trace absolutely through male lineage. You can trace Noah's son, Noah's grandson, one of his grandsons came to the North Americas. That's where we get some of those early people. You've got the land bridge. If you look and you chase anthropologically, you look at people who are from the Pacific Islands against Pacific Northwest coastal Indians

and Native Alaskans, they are pretty much identical. Even some of the ancient from Pacific Northwest Coast that the Native Americans have some legends and they talk about the people up further north and they would go up and they'd raid their villages and steal their women, and then they get in their canoes they go back down the coast to their own villages and they you know, then those people from up north would come down and steal from their village, and they did

this for hundreds of years. So we're all from the same people. The people on the arc, those eight people, all of us come from those eight people. There's no reason we ought to have been be fighting. There's no reason to have that discussion because scripture eliminates the need for that. Well done, and I'm glad you brought that up as well, because one of the many emails I get that flat Earth has brought them to God. And many of these people have never had a Bible before, and they ask that

question. And I always try to slide in there that I say the King James version. But I have mentioned on several occasions that I do think that post nineteen fifty eight, and you can't put You just can't generalize a date on books across the board. But I think nineteen fifty eight is certainly something I noticed within the encyclopedias when they started to alter that, And of course five years later the entire world changed when they said, see what happens when

you don't follow us? They did that eleven twenty two sixty three. So I tell people you have to be cognizant. There is a lot of older texts that you can find on eBay, both encyclopedias and Bibles. But I don't know if you can just say a certain date, and you mentioned eighty, that's probably a good point to go pre nineteen eighty if you're looking for

that. And that's something I should remember to put in when people ask me that question because in addition to King James version, that's just my opinion, but that's not just King James. Look at our fictional worlds. So I don't know how much of a reader you are. I am made terrible, terrible, terrible lever of and I don't want to call them fantasy because I don't believe that they are a fantasy at Tolkien. Let's go Tolkien. Tolkien

wrote basically a fictional history. I mean, right down to creating his own languages. Middleer's is flat, Narnia C. S. Lewis Narnia is flat and Narnia I. Actually you've got proof in is that the Voyage of the Dawn Tredder. Yes, it is Voyage of the Dawn Tredder. Proof because they're concerned that when Raby Cheep gets into his little canoe and he gets close to the edge, he's going to fall off the edge of the world. And he's He's like, yeah, that's okay, because I'm going to Aslin's

country, so let's do it. But they're very careful. Caspian is to bring his ship only so far, because if he gets too close, he doesn't want his ship to go off the edge. With everything else. It's very interesting. We've got two authors there, two very beloved authors, both of them Bible believing Christians. Tolkien was a Catholic, and I want to say C. S. Lewis was Wesleyan. Maybe I may have that wrong, but he wasn't a Catholic. Both of them Inklings along with people like

T. S. Eliot. Yes, they very very intelligent men, and they based both of their fictional worlds off of a flat Earth model. And it makes you think, it really makes you think, I mean, that

could be some one of those things. I'm very much I believe that there are mysteries, things that we're never going to know till we get to heaven, and there's going to be stuff that we thought we knew absolutely was a fact, and we're going to get up there and oh boy was I wrong, and others that we're going to look at it and be like, you know, I'm one of the few that got it right. That's right, that's right. And I'm really glad you brought up Lewis because if you ask

somebody, you know what did cs Lewis Wright. They will tell you that the Chronicles of Narnia, right, that was the big one. But you mentioned the screw Tape Letters, and that's one that everybody should really read. Oh, they should read that, and they should read The Great Divorce. Yep, what are they They're on a bus or a train and they're headed to hell. And they wrote a whole different language. Now, it's funny the way that they spoke less than one hundred years ago and how we speak

today. We're so lazy. We can't even type laugh out loud, we do lol. And the cursive is a law start all these things. But anyway, cursive is important though, because how are you going to read the ancient documents if you can't read. So that's planned, that is planned, agreed. Take that knowledge away from them, then they have no way. And you know that actually brings you to a Tolkien reference early on in The Fellowship of the Ring. Things that were forgot, things that never should have

been forgotten, were forgotten. And that may only be in the movie quote, but if it's only in the movie, that's a great thing to add, because it's an absolute fact. We forget things that we should never forget. We should not forget. George Santayana, I think, is the philosopher who said that those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it. Yeah. If we forget things, and we do, we stuff it

down the memory hole and it's gone, it's gone. That's why I think it's important me to jump in. But I think it's important that families need to keep their own, their own internal history. That's something my wife and I have been doing over the last several years, compiling our own history so that in you know, forty years, want our children read their history books

and they see there, you know, this is what really happened. I mean what you said, Like you said, when we send our our children to school, they're being taught a certain version of history that is at best. I've come to learn a little bit of truth tainted with a lot of lives to fit their agenda. Well, and it's interesting when you start digging into your own history and you start looking. My dad started digging into our history about ten years ago. One of our family members, one of my

aunts, we thought was a great historian. We thought she was doing a really good job checking our genealogy. Come to find out she was just checking our genealogy so that they could baptize all of our dead relatives. That's a whole other discussion. So my dad started looking into our history and things that we had been told and that he had been told by his own grandmother we found out weren't true. And like my on my mom's started the family.

He even started looking on her side, and he dug up Obadiah home. Well, if you know anything about church history and Christianity in the United States, Obadiah Holmes is actually pretty interesting character. He had something to do with the clause of freedom of religion, you know, will not freedom of religion. That basically the clause in the Constitution that says that he can't create a state government or not a state government. Oh boy, might flub in my

words, a state religion, state religion, that's what it is. But he also he was whipped at a whipping post publicly over his choice on paying taxes. And he was one of those early firebrand fire and brimstone. He wasn't a Puritan, he wasn't He was probably an Anabaptist at heart, but definitely not the kind of Christian. He left England because he wasn't the kind of Christian they wanted in England, and then apparently he still wasn't the kind

of Christian they wanted once he got to North America. And you've got to know your history. You need to know who your historical figures are. You need to know where you come from. And that goes back to Genesis. Yet again, everything seems to lead back to Genesis. Why is that? It must be pretty interesting? You know, there must be something to it. That's what I think I told you. I keep going back there over the last three years. I am almost stuck in Genesis because it matters so

much. It matters. It matters because if you obscure God, if you hide God, if you can convince everyone that they live on a ball that's spinning at breakneck speed and being hurled through and ever expanding universe, and then you convince everyone that God is not there, or he's dead, or he doesn't care about you, or that he screwed up and made a mistake, then what hope do you have? What hope is there? He's obviously not a good God because he can screw up. And if he's not a good

God, then should you serve him. Why would you if he's a liar, Why would you serve a liar. I don't want to serve a liar. That's right. That's really spot on everything that you just said. And you know, if just ten percent, then that's probably even high. Five percent of the people had the same conviction of homes. You know, he said, okay, give me a wish the kids out of public school. Yeah, yeah, that was four hundred years ago, a little less than

four hundred. I think it needs to be said from the pulpit. They need to say it from the pulpit. It needs to be said from the pulpit, and it needs to be loud. Get your kids out of public school. Whether or not you believe the earth is flat, sure, that's neither here. There are there. I don't believe it's salvafic. Is it heliocentric or geocentric? That's also not selvific. The five soulas are the criteria for salvation. Christ alone, to his glory alone, Scripture alone, that's

salvific. But if you send your child into their education camp, you cannot be surprised when they come back and look at you and go, well, not only are you stupid. But God is dead. You're a racist, and God makes mistakes, if there is a God. And I'm not going to listen to anything you say to me because my teachers are science and I believe the science. Yep. And that's where we're at to be surprised. Yeah, and that's why they got away with twenty twenty to put a perfect

boat on it. Really is you can You're right because he has the white lab. Coach. Joseph Stalin said it first, and I think, kiss, you're picked it up. But that if I can, if you just give me your children, give me your children for seven to ten years, and I will completely change their minds. Yep. Indeed, it's that's a misquote, but I know it's Stalin that said it. Yeah, I know what I know. Yeah, you are a wealth of knowledge. This has

been a tremendous interview in this ninety minutes has flown by. But I didn't give you the opportunity. Oh, holy catfish, what was there? Was there a nugget or two that you wanted to to share with the folks, And I'd love to bring it back for a part two down the road. That this has been really wonderful yeah, any time you want a nugget. My biggest thing yet, just educate your kids yourself, because if you send them into the public education, you you know that they're not going to be

taught genesis, and it is important to teach genesis. Genesis must be taught as history. We have to go back to teaching theory as theory sciences. You know there is science, but is it reliable? Can you reproduce it? And that used to be the scientific standard was is your are your results reproducible? Well, we it's all theory. Almost everything your child is learning is theory in science in school. So teach them at home. Teach them

about genesis. Teach them that creation is factual, it is historicity, It is the breathed word of God. It is immutable in errant. And buy old books. That's a big one too. Buy old books. Do not buy the new versions. Buy them as old as you can afford to buy. I just bought Little House in the Prairie two years ago, and I bought a nineteen sixties library edition, and it is vastly different than today's version. Same thing with My Chronicles and Arnie and Lord of the Rings. I

buy the older versions buy the older ones. Is there a certain place is going to see a difference? Do you go to like eBay? Or is there a certain bookstore that you buy from bay eBay? Okay, that's what I do to eBay. eBay. There is, though my brother gave me a link and I can't find it. Or I would give it to you, you'd have to get it from David. There is another place that you can buy old books though on online. You can also get on my know

from Powell's. Yes, it's Powell's book. You can buy old Powell's books. You can buy old books through them too, but they're a little more expensive than eBay. Okay, I'd rather I watch eBay. The other thing I do much to my husband's sugarn. We're going to garage sales. I see a box of books, I might look at the top the books and I see a few that I like, and I just buy the whole box. Yeah, just make an offers ten bucks for all of them or whatever.

Right, Yeah, I'll take all your books and then I just give away what I don't want on the buy nothing site on Facebook. Well done, well, this has been a tremendous ninety minutes you're a wealth of information and we're going to put your kind. No, this was really a lot of fun, a great conversation, and Rebecca's email address will be in the show description and I'm sure a lot of people will be reaching out to you. And again i'd like to give you the last word today. It's in

It's in the Bible or something. Look it up, stay, stay, you know, measured against scripture, it's always gonna if if you can find it there, then it's real. Oh my gosh, sorry, my robot's going crazy. Nowhere, all right, that's my last word. I'll find it in scripture. Is your there? Well, again, you've been a tremendous guest and God bless you. Thank you for taking the time to come

on. And again thank Dave from Alaska for I think he's the one who kind of reached out and recommended the podcast and we were able to connect and to get you one. And I'm sure that you'll have a lot of people reach out to you and you'll have a lot of great conversations with our with all of our guests. So again, Rebecca, thank you so much. God bless you. And to all the listeners, hey, thank you guys,

come on and join the program. We're getting through our list. We still have a little bit of a waiting list where we're working on it as best as we can. I'm back one hundred percent healthy, now ready to go, So I'll start doing three or four more a week at least. I'll try to with the schedule. Of course, the other podcast and world events. You know, it's like balancing trying to keep a balloons in the air without letting them touch the ground with everything going on, but we'll continue

to do our best. Just pray and thank you all again for your continued support. And you know how to find me the email address, the website. Stop by and say hello for Rebecca. I'm George again. God bless each and every one of you. And until the next time, my friends, we will see feel it tell down all the way. Yeah, I know you feel them a you smile. Ain't the same I saw when to go from you feel like you've lost your way. Don't give it, No, don't give it. He never is home. Don't let call the primise.

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