Episode 102: Flat Earth Conversation with Benton

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Bernard. I'd come from my style called Little Boston, Illinois on the Mississippi River, kind of Kevin where then knows of the Illinois, I'd say, people will call it. And I grew up in a town where I graduated with like twice seven people in my class at ninety nine and wow, just yep, and knew the people I've known all my life. I just gotta was it was kind of you if you went to New Boston, you had

to be going there to valuated kinda curves around the town. So I fell a lot of time on the river, last a lot of time looking at the stars and camping out and stuff like that, and uh, and just kind of felt isolated, always felt isolated. My father he was a and a military kid, and he went all over the world, so he would share experiences and stuff like that. And he was always interested in space as well, and like our family of this NASA, like you're always growing up.

My dad had the newspaper articles he saved him of all the rocket launches and stuff like that, and that, you know, and then a whole challenger saying blah blah blah and uh so like I always like loved the idea

of space and exploration of space. And and then I went to college and started real life and that uh there's other places in New Boston and uh and other people and other and uh so I was going to school for C and C machining because I wanted to build motorcycles, even though I would never get on a motorcycle, as like the design and everything, and so I was learning strength of materials and how certain you got to potensil, strength of steal,

and so you had to know how fast to cut something without it breaking. And then September e Lives happened and I'm taking a class and then the picture walks out, goes hope, but we're attacked and goes on with the glass go outside, and then all of a sudden, like both buildings are burning, and if they've always been going on for an hour and every stand there and they just fall down. And then I'm taking a you know,

pretty applied physics. You know. It's like, how like a for example, there would like a semi going sixty miles per hour, How fast would a gold wagon bug if it stayed intagged would stop a semi? There was like ten thousand meters per second squared, you know. So and just just the way steel is and how the heat and how they kind of explained it. And I was like, well that doesn't make sense. And like the way the deside of the building, it's all the steel and concrete and aluminum.

Hitting a steel building would not cause us that damage. One and two their pancake theory of this everything falling down, and it's like, well, the steel structures used to be there, right, or the there should be a pile of debris, but it was this an empty, gaping hole, right. And then yeah, the stuff that's what started me and and I before that Waco, I you know, that was a lot of display for everybody. It's like there's the people in this house and it's like you burn

it down, like come on, It's like it's insane. And uh So when I years later and I think about twenty thirteen. I just was looking at the stars and I was like looking at Jupiter and Saturday, and I was like, you know what, Uh, it's the they say this flection or this the sun's raith hit the moon and that's what lights it up. Like what about Jupiter and Saturn? What about all these other It's like, did that have the sun that bright? Did it lights those plants up to

and they're made of gas? And I was like, there's something's not right. And then I saw that Air debate two hundred proofs just looking through you know, I was just looking. I was really big into Atlantis and I was like, you know, they're like, oh, there's island of Atlantis. It's like why would they call the Atlantic Ocean if there was no like

Atlanti civilization. And then started looking at it and it's like about the the starting of evolution, like made by the Catholic Church and like all these Catholic backers and Copernicus and stuff like that. And then that showed up and that was once I saw like the track because I grew near trains and the river, so it's all everything's flat, and I was just like, if theyre

a crivilege of the earth. The train tracks would like be cutting in these big, huge valleys because if you look down the train track, it's completely streng So once all I saw that, I was like, oh and then if it just kind of shattered my life. I was just like everything that we've ever was thought it was a big a lot. Everything's a lot. And what year was that, Yeah, about twelve or thirteen. Okay,

I just gone through a divorce and I was just for two years. I just you know, okay, I just was isolated myself from the world, and my job changed. I started confront I started, you know, just telling the truth. They're telling what I felt, and this like this anything that I had thought of of I wouldn't be like instead of sitting there, it's doing it. I would, you know, try to get somebody seed man, and this very my whole perspective on things and trying to talk to

somebody. It's like I was, that was like a lot of anger and people that have like, you know, I think I would telligent person. I used to pick people's cars and electronics. I learned electronics on my own and then this I learned all this stuff and people, would you know, help what ask my help for things to fix anything or this. You know, hey, do you know this? You know this? I would know it because they had a pretty good memory. And it's when I brought this

up to somebody, it's like, oh, you're crazy. You don't know what you're talking about. It's like, well, why would I sit here? And if all of a sudden, if oh there's this lad and it's and everybody's got angry because it's just like, oh, you're stupid, You're just I don't want to hear this stuff. I don't want to this,

Like it was complete avoidance and no one would even tear me out. And it's kind of like, but it was heartbreaking because as like, how it could somebody just all of a sudden this regard regard you and they look at you different. You know, isn't that amazing? Even the people that we've known our whole lives, when we go to press these particular subjects that no matter what kind of person like, you could have known them for fifty years

and never had an incident. And when you'd bring something up, I think what it is you had mentioned When you realize when you talked about the train tracks, and you realize that the earth was flat. It does change your life. And do you think part of it is people don't want their world turned upside down? Oh yeah, they don't because you shouldn't, because I don't know if you shouldn't. But it's like, I know, life experience, it's been nothing but heartbreak and pain. But it brought me that.

It's like the others, it brought me to God, which is the most important thing in the world, right is like, you know, this is you know, I didn't believe that Lucifer, like God create creates Lucifer. Lucifer creates the world, and this is you know, and God knows. So this is the prison they made for the fall on angels and everything. And like the pipe you know, they call it the Lucifer, the Prince of the power of the air. It's like and then there's I can't remember

the verses, but like with all the pipes and everything like that. So it's like and then the story of the pipe piper, I get to see that, like the so here it comes Lucifers plays his flute, and the angels come here, and then we have to make our way back, you know, to God. And anything of this world is this. Uh,

it's it's controlled by Lucifer. It's it's it's over his domain. And you know, you when Jesus came back, it was like, I'm not I'm the king of I'm not the king of this world and the king of another world. So it's it's it's just the whole you know, brings yourself to It humbles yourself to not be emotional about other people's ideas or anything like that, just your your own path to God and and all of your kind. That the dulling emotion dulls all your emotions too. It's like you're just here

existing forgot. You know. It's like I have a hard time getting excited about things anymore, or but I don't have any anger anymore either. Yeah, been really great, but it was it's it's hard. It's like to say to somebody that you know, hey, believe this, and then you know, it's like the thing the struggles I've gone through that you don't You wouldn't want that to be on anybody else for sure. And there's two things

but you want but you want them to know the truth. You want them to know the truth too, right, and you know the truth can be I'd rather have the hard truth, uh than a lie, you know with shedder and ice cream on top. And that's that's just the way the world is. And the other thing I wanted to mention, when you're talking about worldly things, the matrix that they've created. They've made it difficult for us to completely walk away from worldly things. Not not saying that it can't be

down, but the matrix. You know that this monetary society, how they built not just this country, but the world on this fake fiat currency where there they have to work you to death and you don't even have time to do the things that you should be doing. You should be raising your your

children and at you what you should be educating your children. And it should be a community based world that we lived and not not not front we talked about before the program, how the power should be at the bottom of the pyramid, not at the top of the pyramid. And that's how upside down

we are in this world right now exactly. And you know, and the people that say, oh, we have to save of the earth or save of this and day these big huge things, it's like, save yourself first, then save your family, then save your neighbors, and then you know, it rules from there and everybody was a selfless and saying, okay, our survival is our the main thing, and are you know, just be

and not you know, and it would go really fast. And like I said, it's a you know, we're giving all this money to the sederal government, but in the small towns, there are no federal programs that help people with drug addiction or you know, troubled kids. Like I grew over a place there was no diversity. You know, it was a white country folks who didn't have any you know, no nobody from a different race.

And somebody gets in trouble that there is thrown into a bigger, a huge city and their troubled kids and it's like I thought myself, as if you built a facility that was like a dorm, it had counselors and teachers and in the community that they're in, then they could still see their parents still this and they get actually get help instead of throwing them in schooled with like actual you know, because there's a bigger, bigger towns, there's more predators

and somebody that's this a troubled kid that doesn't know you know, it's like it's so it would be so hard. They're freaking going through that. I say, I've known people that have gone to that system and the it's just start breaking. Yeah. And so if everybody would take other texts and p and s, they would give it to the town and your town would be

prospers. He built the actors, he built, you'd have this place where all his money would go to the people that live in the community, and then would is spread and then everyone's like, oh, we're all here to help each other out. Yeah. They really went after the community in the seventies when they shifted the Department of Education to the federal level full throttle, and they took community the schools away from the local folks. And then of

course that the next dagger was Reagan. I did a podcast about two months ago in the prison industrial complex and what a big business it really really is. It's it's incredible how they privatize prisons and uh they actually I was just gonna say, they have quotas like if if if a prison goes under ninety

percent capacity, they lose their contracts. So they have it's just a porrent how how prison system is ran and the county I lived in, living in Illinois, Mercer County, and uh, you look at the budget for like how much the county takes in the biggest it's the biggest income they get is from the jail there. Then from getting people from Cook County in Chicago. They transfer people there and to sit, let them sit, and they get so much money for having people in there in the jail. And that's the

biggest income that the whole county is is from that jail. And it's just what he's You're getting all this money from the misery of the or bringing people this is sitting and break kidnapping him and for them in a box. It's end in the schools like a rocket seller, you know. It's like I don't I don't want a nation of thinkers, you know. And so when they built the system, you know, it's like you go to school, you get your brakes, you eat your lunch, you learn, you're taught

authority, you're taught to listen to what we say. And then you go home and it's like then you're then when when you're going to the workforce, you're already indoctrinating into it's just this is the way things are. This is

what you grew up. Was yeah, one hundred percent. And it's uh again going back to community that that was really the dagger that that you know, if you have a bad apple within your community, you shouldn't ship them off back in the day that that's they still do that in the Middle East. If if you have a bad apple and their local community, the shake lays down the smack on them and the community. It's their burden. You don't take that burden and send it off into a six byte son. And

I'm not saying to be soft on people who commit crimes. What's the web say you is it should not be a business and you should be scared that if prisons have quotas, and if you think you're going to get a fair trial, and uh, just how corrupt this government is. It's you know, just look at January six. Guys. I bring that up all the time. Oh my god, that just is Yeah, it's like he tried.

I tried showing people that's like I've watched the video of the you know, they say that the person I got shot, It's like there was like there's no there was one person on the other side of the wall, and it was a bunch of people with cameras and like this. It was just watching all the this I've camera with the video, but he breaks it down. It's like people sell the phones and they like they have a medic. This person gets shot in the neck, which she's wearing a scarf, and

there's like no blood underneath of her. And I've seen like cry of shows, like somebody gets shot. They're a big pool of blood and then there's coughs there with like swat. People know what they're doing. It's like it's not like a swat with a machine gun. They're very authoritative and they say, get the hell on the ground, you're getting out of here. You know. They don't sit there and fumble around and and no one there to give this lady medical attention. And then they like and then by the time

they wheel her out, she's naked covered in blood. And then it's like there's people saying, hey, this is fake, this is fake stuff. They're not you know, lead them into building, and it's just, uh, yeah, it's just just the way to show that if people are solid

there, you know, even if they had the Trump movement. It's like, I don't agree with Trump because he pushed out this vaccine and all that stuff, and I don't he fire the system, but he like brought people that you know that are against the government and federal government and say the corruption because because you know, he called out the corupt He's like, oh, yeah, I know it's scrupt because I'm the one that used it. So everybody kind of sees that says, yeah, you know, in the places

is freaking corrupt. And then it started bringing good people with w they're following a man again, they're not following their hearts and they're not following you know, they're just like it was dangerous and I fell into a whole quean on because movements like please please arrest all these best you know, it's right. And then it's like it's like that's like I had a hope. And then that hope was you know, shatter, like come on, you know what

he pushed out that vaccine. It was just it was crazy. Say he goes like three shots are different companies that ye shots for eight billion people on the Earth, And it's like and then he said, and then you have immunity from any kind of troubled and and that's in the relationship I was in when that happened. It's like they killed her. The whole COVID things.

Like I was in the garage. You know that there were scared there be around me because it's just like, well I don't have it, so if I have it, that's all I gave it to me, you know, you know, it's all I was talking to somebody the other funniest think they've heard. You know what, if I could smell a fart through a mask, then I can get COVID and a mask like our last I was just gonna say, like our last guest said, it's like setting up a chain

link fence to try to keep mosquitoes out. Exactly. I would work with wood and stuff like that, and even would my face would be full of wood and this where would we were the you know good mask too, and it would go right through that mask wooden shaving to where wood dust standing and stuff like that. So it's like that streamed at because I worked at a dollar general here there at a small town, and h I wasn't aware of

mask because there are boss is prequel about it. It's just like I'm not doing this, you don't have to, And and I just got yelled at, like maybe they got like, oh my gosh, said this leech the it is there was this heartbreaking yeah. And then you know I was like I already told told her about my flat earth and cheated, didn't want disn't have any part of it or anything like that, which is fine. You know, we still got along everything like that, but it's just like that

whole COVID thing. This guy and you know, she's the professor and she was working from home, and it's just I don't understand she was working at everything like that. It's like when you see the person that you love with all your heart every day and it's like and like, oh, get out of here. You know. It's like for me, it was just like the it's hard. It was hard, and it's just like up driving to

support. You know, it sucked. You know a couple of things I wanted to touch on it before we went forward, was, uh so you literally you you you were questioning nine eleven from day one. Day one right when I saw a faut because I was taking I was taking classes where it's like we're putting steel and spinning it super fast and were stead of going too.

So it's like I know how much force it takes to you know, cut a piece of metal, and I know how much you know, the heat builds up what you're you're doing the cutting, you know, and I I know when you like, well like this this because I didn't just because well, for example, is like when I was growing up, so we put gas inside of a poor gas onto a fire and I was sitting the gas was there, the the vapors out of the can. They was like,

oh, it's gonna explode, but then it's like it didn't. And then when the persons like threw it to the body of water we were in it like a just a and it spread all over the place. So it was like well jet fuel, it would just splatter everywhere and then that's it and it would burn up and then it just disappears and then whatever it burning

was left and then he inde. Even like I think it was like two or three months after nine eleven happened, there was like a building in China that like some fireworks site caught it on fire, like forty story building. It burned for like three or four days. The whole thing was charred, but the whole structure was still there. So it was just this even confirmed

it. But yeah, but I just knew that if it was something, if it was gonna fall down, it would have fell down like tipped over it, or it would have or the concrete say, I maybe it probably wouldn't happened, but the weight of the concrete would have broke off of the steel and it would have hit the next floor. But then it's like all that stuff got rebar at it too, so it's all that steel inside the

concrete still there. And then it's just But then I figured if if it did fall like that, even if it felt like that, then it would be like a pile of thirty stories of just rubble like chunks. But it turned it into powder. And they one of your guests, and I've seen the video too, it's like that maybe that like the world traits that are turned to dust. And I saw like another Gamera angle and you see this big piece of steel sticking it up and add it's falling down. It's disintegrating

into dust. And you look at them all the cards and stuff, and they're just this all this burn up, these all this these metal cars are just burned up around the marking lots and stuff like that around there. I s I saw a fire. I can't think it was just a California fire, because I was watching the thing about Native Americans. It's about the wheat. They're doing these weavings, and they showed their community that got burned up.

And then right there there's a slomming pool ladder with plastic legs, and the whole places chart except for the slowing pool. You know, just there's just or these steps on those things. And this it seemed like it was very directional, like there's all these properties around them, and then if they wanted that one going, and that's scary because then they showed like the experiments

they were doing, it's like there's this directional and through frequency. I know that they just you can put low frequencies and high frequencies that you can't hear, you you can, but you give feel and it's just it's really scary to think about it because you can't see it. But they know. It's like everything in the you know, TV radio, it's that you got a box that can trans signal. It's it's like, you know the power of the air. You know, I'm sure they're getting free power from everywhere.

Oh sure, hand, Yeah, it's like and like the whole thing with the jet fuel and planes and just all that stuff. It's like when they transfer fuel in the Army, they had this big bladder in the center of the plane. They had to strap it down. It's like, there's no way that all that fuel goes in those wings of the plane and it would cause everything instability, and just saying at it like September limits, there's just

like it's flatter, and it's like there's no way. And so I was ready with the flatter's when I saw it, I was like it made Toole says right away, And it's bridges, trains, the flight pass, the everything just looking at the watery. Oh yeah, they didn't have leads, they didn't have zoom one back then that's right, so of course everything's gonna look. It's gonna look. And then it's like then you go, oh, why they don't they don't Why don't they do the experiments? And then

space, it's like, why don't they spend the camera around? Why don't they put a camera on the nose of the of the rocket? Why don't they you know? And then they start looking back and it's like like, like I said, they're going up in a family that would just like it was all about NASA and about rocket. My daddy went to the big with strength to go see John Glenn go up when he was old, you know, older, and it was like it was part as a big part of

my life. So like it just it was kind of like first the first two days, I was just probably in my room just looking over the stuff, and I was crying because of this. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe that my whole I could have like why I could have done

something? I could have the possibility of their analysts. So you're a kid, it's like because you have all that inquisitive energy and all this stuff, you could you know, like, oh let's do this and do this, and you're like, you know you you're playing, you're creating these worlds through

your toys or through outside and everything. And if that was you know, it pushed to do something good, to think of what you could jump come up with him, And I kind of reverted back to that now it's like this, you have your mind as a child, and anything possible and anything can be done. But no but science, which sposed to encourage, you know, challenge, Hey anomaly should be like research instead of just hey, it's not the way things work, and it's just it wasn't looking at the

science community, and it's it's because they don't want to. They're because they're making the money, they're making their paycheck, they're getting paid by somebody, and if they're told they were wrong, than it's like them that are accountable. Yeah, all great points. And by the way, that and again, when when you go from being dead a sleeve to being awake and you realize that people who were once heroes in your lives are absolutely jokes. I'm

glad you met it. I'm glad you mentioned John Glenn because not only did he turn out to be a fraud, but he was one of the Keating five. I don't know if you remember that. He was one of the US senators involved with the savings and Loan crisis back in the day. He accepted this huge campaign contribution from the was it the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association? Yep, and him I think McCain was one of the other McCain was yep. Just uh uh, yeah, I know, it's just too much.

It's too much even like think about you know, and then the Challenger. You know, it's like when they brought TV that to everybody's classroom. You have to watch that thing blow up and out of all the ones that went off, and and I'd always thought to do, it's like the dark, you know, it's like always it's like and somebody's tried to play it to me, but it's just like that, I just like, I don't know, I just didn't get it. I thought it was possible, but

I just don't want to give any explanation. And then it's like the whole you know, I forget who said it, but it's like to argue to flatter or something. If they much to argue flight Earth with, you just go to them and say, Okay, you can't use nassa and he can't use gravity because gravity is a siri. And it's like, so now show me that the world is around or a ball and doing another thing to do, like let's bring this up. You know. I think it was twenty

nineteen when the solar eclipse went. So my my mom, my, nephew and I we drove to a Carbondale, Illinois to watch the longest thing in

totality. So we got there and it was perfect. And the thing is, though it right, you would think that when the moon was in front of the sun that you would watch it go towards the Sun could either be a shadow behind them, you know, the sun would be hitting the back of the moon, so you would still see the big black thing covering the sun because it's still part of the you know, it's still in front of the sun, but you can't see it until it is until it covers the

Sun that it goes the way and it would have to go across stay straight line instead of a curt you know, as it's like, yet look straight across the sun because it's like if it's that perfect and its going straight across the sun, and then it would just keep on going straight. And it was just uh, but it's wind stopped instantly when it when it was total black, the wind stopped instantly. And then it's like you know, like the sound you hear you see a firework and then all of a sudden,

then you hear it. You know, if you're the farther you are, you know, it takes longer go to get there. So when the instant, the instant that the sun went black, all the wind and just shut off, and it's like, well, you think that we see it first and then we'd feel the effects of it, and it's like stuff like that I just noticed and it's like, oh, that's interesting, you know. But then when right when you see that speck of light, the wind started

up again, and it was just it was a miniating experience. I can't wait to see I want to see it again. But it was. But then after that, dude, it's a big storm and I saw it was like the I saw a rainbow like it looked almost looked like a mountain of clouds, but it was really low to the ground and there was like a rainbow on top of it. There was this almost flat It was kind of

cool. And I've heard you mentioned another thing about Colorado. It's like another When I went out there and after I was woken up, I saw the clouds because in Iowa, the sun is on top of the clouds all the time. But when you're on top of a mountain, you see the clouds and he's you see some clouds in the horizon or have shadows over them. It's like, oh, yeah, you're a different perspective. You're on the level with the sun. So you're gonna see the sun on top of here

and then there gonna be shaded over somewhere else. It was just really weak, no deep into all yes, and then like rainbows are bigger, the stars are bigger, the sun the moon are bigger. It's like it's visible leaps like how in the hell can it be that big? Then you not be close to it? Yeah, and it's I try to describe it to people, but I think unless you you've actually been at like five thousand plus feet to really the sun blindness in the mornings, Oh, definitely, it's

a couple of thousand feet shouldn't make that much of a difference. And I'm not well talking UV rays, I'm talking about the actual blinding sunlight. Yeah, and if they dude, like when you're down on a sea level, all like there's a filter, so like all the dust and debris by the sunton and the mooner so big, and the sunrise and not right, there's

all this dust and stuff that filters like a camera filter alost. So then once it gets higher, it gets smaller and brighter in terms of like the middle turn orange on the horizon, but it will be bright white in the in the top of the sky because there's not that filter of all that dirt. But when you're in the mountains, you're not seeing all that dirt.

You're on the top. So it's like you're basically like a basically small gun underneath, you know, when you're on the lower parts of the Earth, and then when you're on the top part, there's there's not that there's not that all that debris and dust and all the particle of smoke or whatever it's as let's say they get do it's like the Earth. It's like you were taught that oxygen helium or like oxygen, helium, nitrogen or the gases that

are the lightest. But when you get when a fighter pilot you have to go up really high, he has to have oxygen, right, so he has to have is not enough oxygen in the air. So then how can a compound that's going to cause any ozone or atmospheric change get to get up there when not even oxygen get up there. So then that it's like, well, then how can there be this atmosphere quote unquote the protect the sun when all there is this helium it on helium and hydrogen and nitrogen in the

sky. So there's so it just kind of well, you look at Los Angeles or something. You see the fog over the city. It don't go any higher. It's like a big cloud. So it's just old control thing, you know, big cities. You say, oh, we're we're gonna have enough our human populations. It's horribly gonna cause everything to go to crap. It's like, if you're gonna living in a Chicago, you'd probably believe it because you're all this crap and you're all it's stacked on, stacked on

people and people and people. But if you move out to the country, there's land and land and land and land. Yep. It's like when you flaw you notice that when you're in a plane, you realize that there's still play off there I have out there exactly, and it's like there's been a land. They're using all this farmland for ethanol and stuff like that, like all that can be transferred to making food for everybody and everybody you know,

there's is, but yeah, you full, you can full. The whole community of people was like, oh yeah, we live in a concrete jungle with all these people. And guess what you tell people that earth is overpopulated.

And in my neighborhood, yeah, it's overpopulated. The way you can see for fifty miles with nothing there, Like in Dollarado, it's like they're this, my friend friend lives in this San Louis Valley where like that where the dunes are and stuff like that, and there's like the place where you could just it's just it's once you look at it, it's like if everybody could just look at that and be like, they'd be like, okay again it And then it's funny because I like the whole flood thing, the whole

biblical flood, and you look at there, you look at the United States, they find all these diet saur bones and stuff like by the foothills of the mountain. And then as you're going back to the Mississippi River, it's like all that the top soil would be like that's where all if the farmway that and down on the gulf, that's where all the oils at. That's where all this organic debris that falls down and sits there and this and the

pressure creates by the oil and the coals left there. And then the Appalachian Mountains that's where all the coals at because you know, a bunch of priorganic materials set there and it's as it washed away, it is kind of sat there and now you have the coal and just it's a big sense. Yeah, and then there's like so I had gout. But then like you know, like the salt flats in Utah. Yeah, so yeah, so it's

like everything dries up. I guess what you have salt and any if any lake that doesn't have a spring, it's like eventually it's going to dry up if there's not enough frames. It's like there's a but not just as certainly absolutely and by the way, Salt Lake is is a great place to do a laser test or flat Earth. Yeah exactly, that's where they do all

the speed tests and stuff like that because it's a little flat. And then a place in South America that's like that too, and it's like you or in Africa that if it rains, it's like that's the perfect mirror image of I would love to see that when when you were when you first woke up the flat Earth. But that's something you came to on your own or was there videos books? It was the two hundred Proofs of the World of that oh okay, after we got the world yep, And that was just the

that confirmed me. But I just like the whole uh and then it's just but I was thinking about it. What I was like reading about the Converticus and stuff like that and that, like it's agent civilizations and stuff, and it's like these people great built these great monuments and be huge at the part and not and all this stuff and like at of a hammer and chisel what yeah, like whatever they add would mean they are these people that create these

great things that can't be the old cathedrals. You know. It was this all this technology that they had that we don't know about, and they all thought the world was they all and then it's like five hundred years ago, like help, everybody's wrong, and they didn't have any experiments. It was just that's what it is. Did you hear that little click we played at the end of the podcast, maybe five or six shows ago. I want to say it was from I don't know if it was a Little House on

the Prairie or one of them shows. Oh yeah, yeah, they saw that, so I can't remember. I think it was David Weiss or that he was interviewing this old lady and she and he's like showed her the proof and that she just started crying, like she was like alost hundred years old. She's like, I didn't do it. I think they doss it. School was flat, you know, and it's like and just you know,

she just it was just it was amazing. You know. Yeah, they were day they thought they thought that and uh and it's everything and that's what. But I love reading old books, like I uh Donnally he wrote the book about al at this and about the Comet about comets just called Ragnarok, and those are really good at this kind of about so like I had this map of the world in nineteen seventy and where they claimed like the Azores, the Zoris islands off of Portugal, or like mountaintops, and then how Plato

describes it. And then there is map it says the Atlantis Sea mount and this there was right there at the foot of those islands. And then it was like, oh, that's freaking cool. You know, it's like it's they it's there. And then you know the whole fourteen ninet two things, so say if because but another thing I was doing every heard of the civilization

move and you uh, not off the top of my head. So it's basically, you know, the basically like an atlantis in the Pacific Ocean and what they describe is the Earth. It's like everything is created from like oxygen. It's like a is the head of the catalyst there under conditions can call like make solids, which you know if you put oxygen with tighter did it

turns into water which it can be frozen. But there's these big gas pockets that are filling the earth, and like volcano, once they're that pressure is gone, then everything collapses. So then the whole islands could just collapse into the into the Earth, causing that pressure to move somewhere else to bring up

another part little time. So but if that atlantis sun and no one could go across the Atlantic Ocean for a long time because the waters are so turbulent, then why couldn't you know, It's like, yeah, he probably couldn't go across it. And who knows business everything. I always question everything, But you know, it's like it in the end, it's like only got those the answers, and that's I went on just figured it out. I would I want I have had that connection with God though, I've had a

dream about a bench and a few benches. One was the old, one was new, and I was like, why would somebody put to the bench here? And I think this old one out. This guy came out and he says, well, people have been and sitting in front of bench, in front of benches for a long time. And then this camera crew came in and I was like, point myself with point away from the scene and came where we me and if you guy. I started doing a commercial on these cameras. A day later, a friend of mine but I knew I

had video cameras and a green screen and stuff like that. Her kids wanted to do the story of Noah and they had a stripped and they wanted to do this recording, and so I said, okay, we'll bringing this stuff over there. And I had that on a Friday. She on Saturday. On Sunday, I went there, did the whole I think with the kids, had a great time and I hadn't been to church in a while and

she's like, you want to see a service? I was like sure, and I walked out to the church and there the pews were the same bench as I saw no kidding, and that pastor had just and then so that

pastor had just passed away, so there's somebody that he had saved. Was telling my story like I don't I didn't have a family, I don't have kids or anything like that, but the people I cared about, Like I was drinking a lot and just being this and this is after I came to know the flatter too, and like I just kind of felt icolate inside of drinking and doing my own thing, and it neglecting my family, everybody real by my mom and my nephew and just my friend, just because every everything

is selfish. Everything is selfish. And then they sell the story and it's like if he was telling the exactly anything happened to him, And then sitting there it felt like if but the incredible hope would feel like if he were a change. It's like I just saw this white and I felt like I

grew inside. It sounds weird to people, but I grew inside of the church and I was looking on everybody, and then in a flash, I saw all the good things I've done for people, and in that instant and then as I saw that, I shrunk down the side of the gray essay, and it's all like the bottom of the very boy's shoes, and it's all the bad things I have done in one moment. And then basically like a voice in what said, I've been here though the whole time, you

know, follow my pass. And I came out of that and I in the middle of that church. I didn't even know ay Bunny and for me to even like go out and talk to somebody, but I was crying inconsolably for forty five minutes. I couldn't even breathe. This thought was coming on my nose so much, and it was just the very thought that the whole camera, the benches, the story, it's just you don't you can't fight to somebody that you know this whole time, you can see all this evil

going on, and you can like get past the evil things done. You can get past all this stuff. But then and then, or how gradual that Lucifer can can they keep pushing you and you can fight it and you know and live, and then there's at one moment where God that touches you and it's like the whole thing changes, and I was like, well, I know what, I just no matter what people think about what I think. I'm still gonna say it, but I'm not going to take any emotions

about it. I was going to try to observe what's going on in my life in the moment where I'm at and just experienced that moment and look for the look for the right path to it there and if you pay attention to

it, then you'll start seeing all these coincidences they quote unquote coincidences. It's like, there's no way this could happen, no way, you know it just and there's a bad yes, And I think we had that split personality, had a demon inside of us, and we had you know, the spirit and you have to know for sure you need to get everybody that everybody has been born again, had that moment where this like whoa, I's got

touched. Yeah, and it's amazing it is. And how far I should say, how soon after that did you connect the dots with flat Earth? Well? I was already got on it, because that's why I kind of went down in a dark spot like a verybody just kind of abandoned me. So I was just coping with it. I was in a band. I

had like these like goal I just just I'm a very exquisitive person. And when I get into something, I like go all the way, like you a banded by all the quartering equipment, about the instruments, and then for my friends and just we just wanted it, make it, and then bought electronic equipment and started watching YouTube and started buying books and then just eventually bought or would go on marketplace and get a bunch of broken electronics and start fixing

them and just do that. But it just once, n once that flatter thing or the line you don't cross it, you know, you and h But this is actually the first conversation where I've had like actually a two way I'm I'm talking a lot because it's been you know, ten twelve years since you know, they have one conversation about it and not have somebody just deny you or look at you like you have three eyes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's nice to talk and have something to sit at the

other end for more. Yeah, likewise in an hour now and though it doesn't seem like I've been talking about an hour and you've said like three things, I think, No, it's cool. I'm spoiled. I get to I get to have these convert stations, you know, two or three times a week. So I know you're so lucky. I'm saying when first heart, because I found your podcast and I was just like, this guy is

lucky person in the world. And I love it and I think that, you know, anybody listens to it like this, it's amazing and it's now being on it and it's just I just because you it's a great therapy. It's great, you know, like I've heard that I call it a ministry, but to uh, to testify what you've gone through and then it's like, wow, there's other people out there. They're going through it too.

Yeah, and it's just and it's like you've felt all. It's like you know, when you bring people on that have gone through it, and it's very really connects. Some people listen to it because it's just it's just it fills your heart because it makes you feel you know, it wan't empowered because there's like there's other people, but it also and breaks your heart because you

feel their pain because you know you've gone through it. It's just like you know, and and everybody that's been odd, it's great, you know, they've been very Yeah, it's just you have lots of great people. You go, you be on the show, and I love the platform. Just so thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. It's it's been a it's been a real treat to meet all these people. I wanted to ask you, going back

to your you'd mentioned about your dream. Should we pay more attention to our dreams? Definitely? And uh, I mean I had the one time I had a dream about a recreating dream about this house. And when I met my second ex wife, should have looked. I had these horrific dreams in this house. And when I came to this towel to meet her for the first secause I knew her brother and I was helping our six her house and

I saw the house. I went around, looked out of the abandoned and didn't say anything and they Then two weeks later I went back to uh help out with the house again, and the house was gone and it when grass was growing. It was me three weeks it was grass is growing over it and everything, and I just drove by it and then covering the house. About three months later, my ass still my friend, I was like, was there a old rickety Elstare. He's like, oh, yeah, they

burned it down the day after that you showed up. So then like I was like, oh cool. You know, so I was like I don't know if that was the same thing. Oh, but I looked back like maybe I shouldn't should this old this house was horrible. And then I went through a horrible sperience with her, so horrible and this guy league, Oh

man, I shouldn't have paid that to my dreams. And I just had to dream recently like these people that I my by having just loved for them, and I was like, I know they don't love me anymore, don't care for a bold friends and you know, girl send the stuff and and

they all have prisoner and my dream, you know. And then I kept on trying to escape and I kept bringing you gut bringing me back, and so you know, you'll there, you know, there's the signs, and that's you know, if these connections and they have and they know that they need to breaks, but it's so hard for me to break off from something you care about, even though when they have no thought of you. It's yeah, I think we should pay a touch our dreams. And when I

was like getting stuff. I did not have dreams, but when you know, when you're sober and mine like, I have dreams, and it'd be nice, you know, it's it's nice to memorize it or realize what you're going through. But I think that's a that's the time that you're called. You have no distraction, so that it's like it's easy for God to come and say, hey, here you go. You know, I sure have had a lot of dreams. I've had a lot of dreams the last two

three months that I was back in the army. But it wasn't like me when I was twenty five or thirty. It was like me today being in the army. And it's been like for two or three months straight. I'm starting to get a little worried. I don't know if it's just because like on my other podcast, you know, I cover a lot of the Ukraine,

Russian thing or or whatever. It's just told. I was telling my wife, I was like, this dream is like every other night, and it actually before the I don't remember how long before the I realized the world was flat? Huh was I had? I had a dream it was like an apocalyptic dream kind I was like on the looking out my child at home and I saw the sun and then the sun just started crashing into the earth over and over again, and then it was breaking the world in front of

me. And it's like it was everything was falling apart. And I look back, you know, and it like, oh, was he you know, was that dreams? And then I wouldn't say it was not too long after that. It's like then I like saw that video and I was like, oh, oh my gosh. It's like, was this was somebody telling you? He's telling me? He is that, you know, like my world is good to shatter and the world the sun and it's like, you know, it's right there and there's this guy. Cool. I love dreams,

even the horrible ones. Yeah. I know a couple of people who every morning that if they have a dream, they write the dream down they have you know, it's for years about that. What's not Oh, donnosaurs, What do your take? Donnosaurs? Great beast, preflood, nephilim? What are your thoughts? So? All right? The Book of Enoch and stuff like that. I so like when you read in Genesis where they go through the people, it's like it says Enoch, the one that walked with

God. You know. Then there's a story with Enoch and God. You know, so it's it's it concords with the Bible. It says walks walks with God. And then you have this story of Enoch where he's walks with God and he shows him. You know. It's it's like I I believe, I said, I believe that. So I believe that Lucifer is a creator of physical out of the spirit, you know, So like the earth is created by Lucifer. God assigned him this and and so. But basically

building prison. Because then Lucifer goes, well, I created all this stuff, so I should be the one being worshiped. I should be God. So then he says, okay, let's go and take over God. And if here's where there's the angels are sent. And then at the big Genesis one, it said the eloheam if if you this is great program called estward and basically it'll he'll give the scripture and they'll have the old Hebrew words where it was written in and it will give you the to beat the meaning of

the word. And the Genesis wanted it's God was Elohim, which is plural, and it says, uh, make it. So there we are made in its, in its light, in God's likeness. So I believe that there was the first human that's created by Lucifer, and then Genesis too.

It was God creates guard and invited, so that then guard the guarden need and the serpent and everything, and then the serpent and we can enable like and I can't remember the name of the but there's like the first four books of the Bible, but it predates the first four books, and about it's I can't remember the book though, it's I guess they used to teach it in Hebrew. And it says, I have barren bore a child of God, and then uh. And then then it said, then conceived the son

of Adam. And Adams. So when they create created Adam, sorry, go back, so they create Adam. It said that we are made from the clay, So Adam was made by the Lord God and an in earth so too, and then basically to corrupt to interject the angels that turned to humans. And then that kind of gives us our duality like our angel and demon, because we were created from the angels that had left God. And then actual God, so like we're part of the earth and part of the

spirit. And then that was so then when thinking we're too bad the flood, I just think that I don't know about great men or out but the because it's sorry, you know, they see these picture the skeletons to make skeleton and stuff like that and stories and it's I don't know, I can't it's it's I'm just it's such a big skeptic. I can only only feeling now. It's like get anything now, it's just photoshopped and wherever, and

it's just unless thousands of people have observed it. But my opinion is there's the flood was take took like no one was like the most pure form of the atom that God created. So it's like, okay, I want to make the rest of the people come from that. And then the flood happened. And I believe that like in the middle of the ocean separates, water under the earth split up, the heavens went and there was this deluge and

then everything got washed away. And I do believe all that. I do believe that probably the definite level, like there worthy the the angels that created themselves here on the earth, in the physical form. It's it's I can I believe what what are your thoughts on? But we'll use the word controllers. That the people at the top of the food chain here that are let's say, that are in direct communications with with Satan. Do you think they

are of a bloodline or or what do they have in common? I do believe that there is a bloodline, but I think that bloodline is because you know, they you have a secret and if it ever got out, well, I think they're told that there's somebody there that knows there's a direct card Lucifer, and this is it cannot be known to anyone. So they are here the print of the power of the air, you know. So here, here you go. Here's all this. You're here that you can communicate

with everybody. I started thinking about like the religions of the world, you know, like the Buddhists and everybody's searching for the light, you know, the Masons they believe, you know, that Lucifer the light bringer, and everybody's starts searching for enlightenment and all this stuff, and they want to go and see the light and God and Lucifer is the god of the light, you know. The light Bringer, the Bringer, and it's Christianity is the

only religion where you don't have to have a guru. You don't have to like it's like, oh you have to have a teacher, you have to have this. It's like it's all right there. And and you just said, you know, I'm that you don't see this because they don't have the eyes to see it. But the person that had said and knows that the

lords who he is is we'll see it. You know. It's the biggest love and sacrifice said God said, Okay, I'm gonna create myself as a human to go through this torture to show you, you know, that I'm here and tell us how great we are, and tell us that to see Him within ourselves first before going following somebody else, follow yourself, you know, if let's search for God inside and he'll present yourself to you and just

and then to create yourself and to die human death too. You know that I think being if you were to go and say I'm gonna walk with God and you know, go through all these and confront all everybody. You know, Jesus was not peaceful. He was just he confronted everything that was going wrong, and then he would say, well, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Did everybody? And then he's like,

when you know, why are you why do you call me god? You don't do the things I do. And then after all that, I said, okay, I'm going to die for you and you know, and go through this torture. You know we could. It's a capice well to think about doing that and being you know, and just knowing it. It's I that's that's love for humanity and it's uh, it's it's beautiful and to like,

I know, it's religion. It's like you have to get a teacher at a uru and you've had to basically be a slave and give give your gold and give all your treasures to them to learn to learn the path or you know, you know, all these religions that you have to you have to submit and and then think Christy Eddie, I don't think it's my choice. I think that you know, Catholics wanted to stop of everybody from having

it is this uh, but it got out. It's their words there and you know, there's you know, it says that you'll see the light and stuff. But Jesus is called the truth, not the light now the loves in the way, and I believe so it's just pretty cools. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because we talk a lot about symbolism and many people don't understand the actual meaning behind the statue of liberty. Oh yeah, that stuff. It's a great thing. And this thing give the language words a

sword with the s at the end. You know, look what they use and langua spelling the casting and spelled pursive curse. You know, come on, they know. It's like they're they're pushing this out. It's all there. It's all us for to absorb us and it's two and you know, all these profits and these people that they are, these great thinkers, it seems like they're always in a cave. You know, they have these revelations

in a cave. And that's how you're by a casion is a trailer where you're sitting alone and in the middle of the night going why you know? And and then you find out why you know. It's like you know, and it's like and it's like the whole Vatican and you talk about I think, but in the United States is there is no statues of we were creating.

This whole country is created off God, right, and there's no statues of Jesus that they'll have Apollo and all these Greek gods and all this stuff in these statues around and they're saying, well, that's okay, but you put it, you put a statue of Jesus up. It's like, I don't know, it's just it's insane, and it's you know, and the reason why there's Christians here is because the Acquisition. You know, if you're a Protestant or you know, you weren't Catholic, you're going to die.

So say, there were turbulent waters across at Lantin Ghost and people said, hell with this, we're going we don't care if the world's gonna we're gonna fall off the edge of the world or whatever whenever they believed. But they went to go across an endless ocean. That what all they knew, and to get away from that, that torture and they create. You know, it's just and it's it's amazing to me too. It is this before there was the Thirteenth Colony, then before we went out west and you know,

just decimated the American tribes. We had to get along with them, because we would have been you know, chilled right off the from the beginning. So there was you know, we were friends with these people, and then you know, the system came and became too big, and now it's it's our turn. We're gonna I always thought it was funny. Then we became friends with our Oliver and immusly tried after you know, fought us home.

Isn't that amazing? I talk about that all the time. With World War Two, the day of the war, d Russia goes on to be our worst enemy, and then the whole thing about World War One and World War two is just complete trash, and I know, so funny, and it's you know, even when we did it to Germany because like World one,

of Germany was decimated. They didn't start the war, but they were blamed for it, and they took all their They took land, they took you know, and they took their money from the south to the south, and then in the east they took wayAnd and gave it to Poland. And and the Polish people they're they're not care about Germans and you know, so they're taking all this stuff. So guess what Germany said guess well, we're gonna

build their country from the inside. And they were they were they're kind of they were prosperous, you know, and uh, yeah, we destroyed the countries Germany or Germany and Japan, and then guess what, we brought our people in there to freaking and then they brought up their great psychologists and all their social engineers and brought them over here to and all their rocket scientists and to come over here to do the same thing. You know, there's like

just you know, I'm I don't know it literally anything like that. But it seemed like there's I don't know, I just I really don't know. I spec but if the country was going to the socialist way and they actually were, you know, they're working to build up Germany, it was actually a beautiful thing. So I think that maybe that's what when it started to be you're like, oh wow, everybody can do this. Then they had to freget start of war, ye, you know, to stop it,

you know. And then if people are like, well, why you know Germany or Germany wanted to take over Russia, it's like, well, I see, it's like Germany attacked Russia because I guess what, Germany doesn't attack Russia and Russia was working in this show. Everybody be talving this, I'll

tell you. I think people were a little worried about their knowledge that they went from being dead broke from uh what was the before national socialism, the one Weimar Republic you know, yeah, yeah, they completely collapsed the government and their morals as well, but that they were afraid because they went they rose quickly and they had technology. And then of course there's new Swabia. How did they go for me and dead broke to having bases in Antarctica?

So a lot of yea, and they're all together too, they all were working together. Yeah, yeah, I know, because they're they're all starving and said, you know, people are dieing in the streets and they're they're

and people were actually starving. And then I saw like videos of like French soldiers going to Germans that's slapping them in the face, you know, just like freeding like and then and then Polish people they were like taking the Germans crops and they're like, hey, we want our people back, just give us our people back. And then Austria wanted to join it up with Germany because they saw how good they were doing. They're like, dag, you're

not in the world community, says the country. You cannot do something that they want to do. Like Austry wanted to join back up with Germany and they wouldn't let him do it. It's just like it just seems crazy. But you know the other thing that the Switzerland, it's like, oh, you can't it. Switzerland's always neutral ball Yeah, it's like, yeah, I think they got all the money. They wonder why they're neutral. It's like you can't just going in the place of funding everything. Yeah, that

that is uh, there's a deep, deep evil about Switzerland. Oh, I know, it's it's weird. It's crazy. Nobody want to dive into that. It's like, but going back on Old War two. You know something that has not taught very often in our schools. If you ask anybody what's executive order in ninety sixty six, you get a dare in the headlight looks. But we had concentration camps here right here in the United States Executive order in nine zero six six and car serrated over one hundred and twenty five

thousand people here in the United States. Yeah, Jeb, Yeah, they'd been around enough Japanese, you know, like yeah, it's like exactly and uh, it's crazy, yeah, but it's everything. And then you know with Japan is this I think that was kind of a Jesuit thing too, because they were like a ban on you know, anybody from the Catholic to any Caucasian. I don't think anybody could go to Japan. And then they basically crash their economy and the freaking they're living on an island. They need

to have, you know, the things that they need. And it's like they got said, hey, you're four, start hand and that. Yeah, they had a y under Marshall Law for several years as well. Yeah, just just yeah, you start looking at this stuff. And the whole thing with the Jews too. It's like in nineteen thirty three there was an agreement that the Hitler or thirty three, but it's like they were sending people to Palestine too. They take all them. It's like, okay, you

want out of the country, We'll get you out of the country. Well, do you have all your money and we'll we'll send you down to Palestine. You know, they're already building it their settlements there too, you know, they knew it was coming. They were already there, you know.

So it's like when Germany, when Israel is ready to become a country, they're already over and they're just you know, build srimaging all the what what the what are they stole from all the other countries that and then it's like, okay, we're building up, and it's like, why would you if you're gonna kill and kill all the basket and all these twos, and why would you take send them with all their money down there? Uh you know, five years previous and uh and you know, you know, it's like

it's harder just you know say that. You know, the called cost is that it didn't exist, but you can make ten thousand people look like tricking six million. Yeah that was the viral grammt. Yeah okay. And then another thing about the whole, like the glovid thing, it's like you look start looking at like the death rate of the you know, the United States deaths, and they have they all had a number. It's like, okay, this many people died this year, and it's many people died this year.

Then all of a sudden, I was like, why white people died this year? And then it was like you go to the CDC and there were just like whole freaking two page try try about how the numbers don't add up or like how they you can't go buy these numbers anymore, and blah blah blah. And I started looking at the flu statistics. It's like,

okay, there is UH. I want to say, like say tottered twenty five billion people were hot or utter, twenty five thousand to two hundred fifty thousand people were hospitalized by the and then like twelve thousand to seventy five thousand that's that's that was their statistic in the CDC that for one year, I say twenty twenty nineteen twelve people twelve thousand people or seventy five thousand people had the flu and died. It's like how how how good do you keep your

record? Do you have that big of a discrepancy of who died from the flu? You know? Just uh? And then when you have a few are looking at the death rates of uh, Like I look at the death rates in Germany. It's like you think that all these people who have been dying, They're like there wasn't that many people that there wasn't that of a different Yeah, but there War two sucked because like, uh, like the British and the Americans, they like would bomb at night and they like destroyed

whole towns. There's a city of one hundred and fifty thousand people and it's just and all night long, this bomb and bomb, bomb, bomb, and there's like places where that you have celebrations every year, and you always see a War two. You'd never see a freaking germanist story and tell a story. Always see it's his story, the winners. Yeah, story exactly where you get the foils, you know, so they can tell everybody else

shitty you were sorry. Yeah, Now it's funny you mentioned that because when you talk about the COVID numbers, because George Floyd they tested him in his autopsy, he had COVID. You had stories of guys, you know, getting dying in motorcycle accidents they chalked. They throw in that COVID number. They a number. You got money for it too. Yeah, so yeah, they know how to manipulate the numbers for sure. I had a couple

of questions. I wanted to get back to this. At what point did you look at the Apollo missions before Flat Earth or was that something you came to question after Flat Earth? I was. I always questioned re entry and I always questioned like this, uh as I know that oxygen is needed to like have it. So it is I just as either they're damn geniuses or something kind of was that we're told Because how do you shoot somebody to the moon without having any kind of propulsion and land and get back up in the

air. The whole is a like, so you have to have oxygen to have a fire, DAVI spark, and that's all we had. And oh another thing, I mean, I was in communication. I used to work for radio station and they're transmitters are huge just to make it freaking you know, of fifteen mile radius, you know. So it's like they're talking to Nixon on the phone and they have how they build a transmitter on they build a transmitter on the moon. They have bounced around and they're sitting there with

this technology, like with tube technology probably had solid state with it. They had probably you know, a transmitter with a probably a tube radio. So like, how in the hell would they have this big, huge thing that would go all the way and hit the Earth, you know, and be able to communicate from Earth to the wing and he can't, you know. And these have these even in in two thousands, like an FM transmitter or AM transmitter that's for a radio station. They're huge, they're big rooms with

all this equipment to push it push a signal. And then that's the thing. But that and then also I was doing a satellite installations and they all get pointed into a tower and it's like all this afterwards, but they have pol missions and just as just watching and I can't remember because I haven't like

that's all. That's like out of my mind. But I think it's like when then they watched show that the freaking the sitting landing in a different camera angle or something like that, and it accounts they held I don't know, I can't remember that far, but it's like was there a camera already there when they were watching the land Benjamin did a thing recently where he did a

tribute to the fourth guy who went to the moon. He was the cameraman they left the Yeah, and then and then it's like you think about it, they spent all this money and all these like rockets, experiments and people dying and stuff like that, and they went a couple of times and grab some rocks, and then it's just like, sorry for swearing. It is, screw it, We're not gonna We're not gonna go no more swear tar Yep, yeah, I got a corn swears. It's uh, we're not

gonna go where's it. We've spent all this money. Now we're not gonna go there anymore. Right, And it's like it's so what was the purpose as on It's like, yep, it's there. We walked on it and walked in, okay. And then then then in the future hearing somebody's like, oh, we can't because of the Van Allen Belts, he can't do this, and then they give then they give the calculations of the van Ellen

Belts. And there's no material in the world that doesn't have a melting point over what that radiation will do. So it's like every strongest material would melt through the right Ellen milts. Yet in nineteen sixty you know, it's sixty nine, we went there and back again. But well, and then it's like they're and I went to the museum to see this the castle, if they if they this is what they went it in and uh yeah, and just make something look all. I don't know, it's just it's a launch

chair and aluminum foil. That's legit, right, yeah, exactly. Didn't think it look all weird stuff. It's it's futuristic. Put a bunch of gold foil on it. I always tell people I remember talking to my dad when he was in Germany and about the mid eighties and then being like a two or three second to lay and that was just from here to Germany. Yeah, you know that's what is that three fourth thousand, maybe five thousand miles away? And this is supposedly, you know, two hundred and thirty

nine thousand. Just the whole thing is just haffable. And that brings me to my next question. You know you were angry after you woke up, but did you because I felt this is me. I felt a bit a bit silly. I started thinking about, well, I've never felt motion, and they say, well, it's constant motion, so you'll never feel it. Well, okay, if we're moving at sixty seven thousand miles an hour, should we at least be feeling wind and everything else that goes along with

heliocentrism. Did you think of those things when you kind of came to oh, definitely. Yeah, it just was I was I think, was it really angry? I was just said and I was just like I just couldn't believe I was sold, you know, I just and it was just it was It's added me because it's like now I know that every person afterward, every person that's going to a school, every person that's you know, there's I keep on and I know I know every person that's going through school,

it's gonna be going to this stuff, you know. And then uh, but yeah, I always thought about that, like it's it ever really cool. It's just like, right, you're riding in a car and it's like you're going fast, but you don't feel it. In a car. It's like I feel bumped. I feel the way it hit my face. I feel like I you know, when I stop, I feel with the stop,

I feel the acceleration. I don't like, you know, I'm going to constant feed, but it's like I still feel everything, and yeah, the whole the But yeah, then when I said when the the e cliffs happened, you know, in the wind, it's like so boom, whether the sun has gone, the wind stopped, it was just I couldn't explain that. And then like you said, the tides and everything like that.

But it's like I think it's like everything is kind of like the like a breath of the years, like the Earth's like will breeze and it's like it's like a vibration or or maybe like because the same thing with the South Bowl the North Bowl. You can't go to the North Bowl either. And it's like when Birds said, it's like, uh, that article is a mountain of ice. It's ten thousand feet tall, and then the and then and the yoke. There's a ten thousand foot ocean in the top of the years,

so I just freezes every year. I thought that was the coolest thing though, because like when I found out the filer, then I saw how it worked. It's like that it makes toole sense because then North Pole it starts, you know that there's twenty four hours of light, so it starts finning at the top, and then it gets bigger and bigger. You know, the arc gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and we're just in this

big mud puddle. And if if there was indo extraterrest rules or aliens and stuff like that, it's say, if you flew five thousand miles through the ice and all of a sudden there's another sun and there's another bud puddle with another soilization on it of her, but the whole duke and the freaking the atmosphere and stuff like that. Back then, another thing was interesting was I saw like a space X crash and just looked like it was skitty off the

firmament. They like they made it. They we we know this there, and we're just like, shoot, we went too far, because it's like it seemed like it was kidding on top and then it blew up and about it. But I also think that stuff too is like all CGL. Had a friend that did computer graphics and then I had big seenakes rocket, the biggest rocket that goes up in the sky, and I look at it and

I was like, don't freaking that CG. And I showed my friend because I talked Flat Earth's on seven and I go, okay, you tell me this is not CG. And he starts watching it with me, and I get a seat in his eye. It starts going, starts looking down and it's like I have to mention it like that. Yeah, it's like I do PG and then you know, and I was taking too with the but they the rockets land, it's like they they had to put it on a

ship and they put a camera on the ship. It's like, why not put a ship away from it and watch it land from a different boat. Why do you have to put the camera on the same boat the same shot And it's like and it's like, oh, it distorted or it broke up and then you couldn't see it. And it's like, oh, you have some camera vale functions just at the landing, but there it is now.

But it's like, okay, it takes that much thrust to take a rocket into space, but then when you drop it back down you would have to have I don't even know how much more of thrust you would closet crater in the ground would think to be able to slow down, especially coming back to Earth. Yeah, they're falls free fall speed, and then you have to freaking yip and you had to you know, as you're moving down as you

know, that's how heavy that it is. And then you have to to get it to come back up. And there's there's magical parachutes that slows it ten Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and then the whole thing was like this. I always wondered why they wouldn't stick in a camera and then like to know that the rocket, you know, and watch it go into stays like most ingenious Ponzi scheme. Ever, it's not a genius though. It's so

stupid. It's like if you look at it's like duh, why you're usually shoot a bottle of rocket at the moon and make it make it there out It's like there's no technology and rocket it's like, oh, rocket technology. It's like it's a taking gas with the freaking you know, just light of fires. Like I've shot rockets off before. It's like they're very primitive, the biggest, the more fuel you have or the more agent you have, the higher you get to go. And then I started, you know,

and then I was watching this Spacebusters. He's good. I think he's talking about all the documents and nascid armoring documents of rocket trajectory, and they all say assume a non rotating flatters all of them, every single one of them. And it's like anything I had to do with rocket trajectory and it's just

well, yeah, like all they all say that. Another interesting thing about feel Spacebusters is like he's talking about the Belfries and houses like in Europe and then in the eastern United States, and then he's like, why are there belfries and there's no belts, you know, these female bilties, there's Belfries. And he's like, well, maybe people were like floating around on glimps

and stuff. And he's like proposed, It's like, you know, because if you look at the old pictures, it looks like there's always constant gray and there's no like it's like there's no it doesn't seem like there's any clouds in the sky ever. It's always just it seems like it's haze. But

they get things clear pictured, but there's the sky blacked out. And he was like proposing that like these Belfriese were places where people could have their blimps and you basically fit a fan on a bicycle and just fly wherever you want and then drop a rope and there you are travel. And then then the Hinderburg happened, and guess what, no one could have a blimp anymore. You know, just show show everybody that this is why you can't have one. Oh the human yeah, oh may yeah, exactly, oh, they

yes. Wait and then these shows the video of the kiddiehowg and then there are people like sposedly the first flight ever, and then it feels walk around, talk to him, you add whatever see this before? Yeah you have one. You have one Zeppelin accident. They shut down the industry. But how many airplane accidents that way? At exactly? People were jumping off cliffs with the freaking wings? Yeah? Absolutely? Oh, I don't know.

It's like I heard you say about the lead paint. I thought that was amazing, and I was like thinking, because I'm a fisher, I grew a fishing, and it's like lead weights, lady split shot waits. They squeeze them on your line, yep. So I always put those in my mouth and bite on them. So it's like if those I mean, everybody does, everybody I know that fishes does, And I think, why wouldn't

they ban that? Why would they have to by on lead paint? And then you start thinking it's like, well they stop X rays with lead, you know, so if there was any kind of frequency that they're pushing it onto you as like well, kids have been not its like I don't I mean, I don't I didn't drove it back then. But how many kids

eat paint chips, you know, and how much really lead? If I can, you know, eat a piece of lit chew a piece of lead and uh to put to fish and and this they're gonna let a kid to sit there in a room full of paint chips and let him just show down. You know. It was amazing, But then it get but people will say, well, guess let they were lead pipes too. You know,

your waters going through lead pipes, you gotta get came through that. I don't know, I thought that was pretty I was looking on that, but it takes total sense if there was if anything to a block frequency or block any kind of X ray or anything like that, it's like it's gonna be lead. So yeah, there was stories of the gangsters and the sixties, you know, from the thirties through the sixties in Chicago, New York, that they would have their safe rooms lined with lead paint, that would use

it because they knew they couldn't listen through. And I guess finally the the FBI called the CDC and said, hey, isn't isn't lead bad for people? I think it was the late seventies when the CDC came out and said no more. But yeah, there's a reason for everything, even the most minute things like that. Yeah, but if they they don't, they will by lead wait for fishin exactly exactly, Yeah, why why would Yeah, they're inter tackle blog. They're like, you know, that's another thing.

I have a conspiracy on two. Like I don't know if they were to saw this, but they tell you not to eat fish, right, but they have like Omega three that's like help for your brain. Okay, you don't, you don't eat so many fish or you're gonna get mercury or whatever, right, yeah, whatever, But it's like they have this, but all the others mercury that'll kill you. And then they have but they have this h well maybe a three amedio acid that it's like helps your brain.

So it's like, okay, you don't eat so much fish and if you don't, so it's I kind of could a tribute. Well. And I grew up in the country. I grew up on well water. I was not floor rated, fluoride ated, I guess floridated and made a lot of finish. I don't know, maybe uh. Also, you know, I was just my mom. She lives in my child the childhood oh I grew up in and uh, they just like dug the well deeper. So they were sixty feet down and then there were certain the water was going down.

They went down another hundred foot and I just like this the thing that's what's under the earth. It's just crazy, Like I would love this big a hole and just see what like right there, you know how like these lakes underneath the water. I would love to see something like that. It's like to go one hundred and eighty foot underneath the ground and buying fresh water. Yeah, it's amazing and it was cool. It's just just all this unknown stuff. I love it. I love it. I love thinking about it.

And you know it's just I don't see anybody waking up. I wish him so they're the one channel that was just wake up one, wake up the world. But I'll ways stay in my mystery and just you know, do my thing and everything. But I wish I espasically would get together. I wish people would care about people more. And it's just just watch how

people treat other people. You know that this I always I don't know, it's like, you know what you share about hitchhiker ears that are going to kill you, It's like, no, it's usually one guy walking because his car broke down and something like that. So I do check people, like make sure they lift their waistbands up because they didn't, you know, but I always you have somebody, are right, it's like you see him walking

on a cold winner. But that when you grew up in the rural area, it's like you know what it's like when you're fat, you have tired and you have to walk five miles you know, to go anywhere. And those cell phone so you see something and you have concipency for them. And then also you live in a rural community where you know, houses are half a mile to a mile apart. It's like so to have a friend in the area, it's not you're usually were. If you have a problem,

you can't just you had to drive. You know, are biggest The biggest city near us was a good musguine. You had to drive forty or twenty five miles or so. It's a half an hour drive to do anything. So it's like you kind of so if you have a problem, you fix it. So you start fighting practical ways, so you start looking at things that in a different way. It's like where where does it start? Where

does it end? You know where? Kind so I had to fix anything or so it's like you start having common sense and you start thinking on your own and you've being and so you just kind of it's just it's a way of thinking. But uh what everything he give it to you? And I you know, I was at when I had a good job at beginning of I was like mid twenties, and you know, I hired people who do plumbing and stuff like that for me, and it's like just just thinking.

It was like, oh everything is they can do it. I don't know how to do it. I saw the sire or something and do it. And it's you look around. I think, man, I can could have done this myself. Could have done this myself and this, uh yeah, it's not that hard. And just like, oh, I love what watching Uh sorry but he went jumping around, But I love watching these science shows

and they teach you eighth grade science on all these shows. And then they started talking about what happened like billions of years ago on the Earth and listen to how I types to go. It's like it's bliss see Wick you get him believe this time, you know it's yeah, and much of that stuff you can wed. Me and my daughter we did a home made barometer this week. She she knows men to think points down, it's gonna rain. It's really cool. You can do this stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's

it's not that hard. It's it's a it's like maths. It's who created mass, we did you know, so of course they could make any uh equation, make your work. But it's like, oh, it's all mass. And I love the freaking like the Bill Knight of Science Guy and the freaking and Neil de grass tysons. I don't even have degreason thing. And then it's said everybody there talking ahead and it's like this, it's just, uh, it makes me sick even listen to him. It's just they're actors.

Elon Musk is an actor. They're all actors. There is charismatic people. And then you know, the other thing about the whole conspiracy stuff is like I used to listen to Alex Jones and he like would and he would like no Flatters. I listen to Flatters. I ain't listening to nobody about that. It's like if you call your show inful words and then it was like uh, but then that's all a h. This is kind of the

like the flatter thing. I didn't really think that everybody was in. I don't know, I just like like, but I can't it really explained, what's say, how bad it was. So it's like so Macway Alex Jones started, he went to this thing, he had a press pass and it's cop comes up to him and he's like, oh, are you with CNN. He's like, no, it's if a wars blah blah blah. And then he goes and he said, well, it was some of your your press pass and then you go, oh, you're yeah, you're a dead

turner. So it's like they put these people to to totally divide us. It's like Obama and Trump, you know, it's like they get Obama that has all these views that just pushes everybody in this one way, and then Trump has all these views and pushes everybody. And the more they polarize, you are and it's just like this, it's like it's just there. It's it's really good now, you know. It's like they're people are so emotional based and this Uh, they don't. They just listen to what somebody says

this because they're on the television. It's more that than anytime. And just like what the show network or the movie network. Have you seen that? Oh of course it's a class. I love that. I love that's how the speech there, Yeah, I know yeah. And then it's like yeah that well all the speeches, you know, like you forget said that.

And then he the guy that pulls him into the fucking board that Twitter pulls him into the boardroom and he's like, oh, you know, we all pull out our spreadsheets and blah blah blah, but I'm by Juke Pott and the A T and T and this and this and and he's like, well, I saw the face of God. And he's like, yo, you might have you know, like the CEO like yeah, you might have Solt, but just in me, it's just like, oh, it's just that,

and that's what happens. You know. You're just you're you have that you know the truth and you want to tell it out and say that everybody. Just yeah, that's that's an effic segue to We're coming up on the time here. But I do have one more question. You kind of answered it already, but before I give you the last word, is there a

way that we can break the matrix? I know you kind of mentioned that people need to stop falling for the divide and conquer stuff with the fake politics and everything else, But any other thoughts on that, live in your present moment, live you know, be observed in your present moment, and h just looking into every situation with the open mind and just and really have kind

have compassion for everybody. Have compassion for every person that's here, because everybody's gone through their own struggles to make them do the things that they do, and they have forgiveness too. And because if you're born of the parents of somebody that is something bad to you, you you went to the exact life sequence, but you would if you are them, you would have done the same thing. So realize that it's because you are a certain way, It

doesn't mean that you that everybody will be. And just let and people will find out in their own time and if it's not meant to be. I was like, I don't think I wasn't a band and I didn't like having lyrics, and I mean that because I had no message except for really be yourself, and I think that's the only thing, to be yourself and have compassion and love for everybody like their yourself, and you just don't try to live without fear and just look at the things that you see in front of

your eyes. Right at this moment with this mottle. Right now, I'm in a room from a computer talking to George and it eventually it will be broadcast everybody. But just I'm I'm fully in by moment and you will see things that you don't you can't believe, don't you know, don't listen this feel your insight and I don't know. I just individuality is very important to me. But it's like just the love for everybody and everything, and just

about it. You said two very important things that may seem trivial to some people. But you said living in the present moment. Many of us live in the past, are worried about tomorrow that we don't understand that we can make a difference in the right now, what we're going right now. We're worried about the past for the future, and make your decisions at the time

that they're they present to you. Because if you are worrying about it's like the present will never or the fat or the future will ever be here in the bastil it's already gone, so you cannot be affected except for right now.

So if you make your decisions off of that bay value feel and because we're playing in the future, can make all these plans and you're worried about this and this, and then when that decision comes and you just surely screw it up anyway, So why why was what was us planning for this? And if you are have something on your mind, like having a conversation with somebody, just to watch somebody look at the phone, it's like, this

drives me nuts? Or is this to be present in somebody's conversation, you know, because you never know when everybody's deserves respects and have a voice and encourage people, you know, if they like something it helped them. You know, Hey I like to sew Lynn, you know, or I'd like

to do this creatively. We'll spend twenty dollars and they're trying to do this, you know, and just encourage people to treat to But yeah, this very thing in that moment, just observe everything and this ca they you can recall it because I've been through so many moments that were really especial to me. I they remember when we did this no, and it was like it's this be I guess, but it's it hurts me that they sure, it's it's always special to me that it's like was not even a thing for somebody

else. But the other thing you said as well is living without fear. And I think it's important if you have Jesus Christ in your heart and you know you have an eternity and haven't a waiting for you, that you can live without fear here on earth. Yes, definitely, Yep, there's no no man can hurt you. It's your ye, your your spirits, and

no matter what happens with the flesh, I know. It's like you you have this guilt and all the things that you've done and everything like that, but as long as your root is your centator is with Jesus, it's like that's what that's what follows, that's what here's by God's rules, not what your body does. Something like that. But if you deny that there is a guide or if you're want to just sure, just just believe it, you know, believe that if you're good inside and it will show you know,

it will show it through everybody. It's just being genuinely happy and living right then and now. It's like people will come and say, be all you know pointed, they're just upset with anything. I think what's going on. It's like, oh, I's going through this stuff. I've well, right now are you going to that? So let's have a good time, you know, so right now we're we're at So just try to admit yourself. If you can do that, you don't have any fear because it's just

like you're just dealing with situation. The situation then and always continue to learn, always continue to question everything because we'll never know everything. But it's fun. It's fun. I love it. Well, Don Benton, it's been a tremendous interview. Thank you a really great interview. And Betton's email base, Betty five twenty at yeah who dot com, will be in the show descriptions, so if you'd like to reach out to him, feel free to

reach out to him. By the way, we have a special guest Wednesday night. We have a guest from New Zealand. You don't want to miss that. And with that being said, uh, Betton was there any final thoughts that you'd you'd have or anything that you missed that you wanted to mention. No, and there's there's this endless thing that you could talk about about,

you know, but the truth and that truth. But in the end is this, Uh, everybody contact me or I'd love to talk to anybody because this is in twelve years or thirteen years of the flat earth and then even longer with this conspiracy. It's like this is probably the first conversation I've got to have and it's uh been really good. It's been really good,

and I will I would love to talk to people about this stuff. And and even like that, and uh, you see somebody walking down the street in the middle, you know, on a highway, I think they need to ride, you know. Or if if somebody didn't have enough money for something, you know, here it's as you can knock on your neighbor's door ask him if they need help with anything for I wish people do that more about it, And thank you very much. It's been very uplifting due to

this interview. Yeah, it's been I'm so happy that you do this stuff. It's made it I was really nervous about doing it before, Like I hate talking about myself, but I just it was very freeing and I love it. I love what you're doing for the people that are like myself. Well, all of us are kind of in that position. It's we're the one percent. Really, uh, you know, we're kind of the minority that the truth community it really is. But I will tell you we're breaking

down walls and we're seeing more and more people. We just kid didn't. The domino effect just needs to keep going. You know, if everybody can make up one person and it just continues. We had to see, uh,

as they say, a great awakening. So if you could fight, you know, if if a group of people Earth people could be at somebody events and then they'd have like a presence there to just this because once people see because I think a lot of because Obama brings up ladders, you know, all these flatterers, It's like it's like, why would you say that if you're you know, they thought that would just bring advertisements of It's like

if somebody would see that it's on national Television's like, oh, people believe that. It's just some people are like that, you know. It's like I had never thought about it then they saw all the sciences were a slat when he looked it up. And then but that's a sord because of the whole filtering such situation too, though, But do you think that led us into the Super Bowl with a flatter at the sign? Well, if you have a wedge in your butt track, baby, it probably had to be.

It's pretty small, though, they pass. If we dropped that down, I know it would be so awesome though, but yeah, but oh well, but thank you so much. Thank you. Look at Aaron. More are your shows and then the people that are out there the world that are us sticking it to the what you know, thinking and beyond what everybody tells you thinking for themselves. Indeed, and folks, make sure you check out the show notes. We'll have lots. I'll have a whole lot of

notes for you guys to check out. To kind of more rabbit holes for you guys to check out. So don't miss that. And again, thank you Benton, thank you so much for joining us. Thank all the listeners for your continued support for Benton. I'm George, God bless each and every one of you. Keep your head on a swivel and until the next time, my friends, we will see you. You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network, Just the Facts, Mammy