The following presentation is in al Margat Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files. I hope to podcast finds everyone well. It's Wednesday night, about six forty pm Eastern Time. As we record. I want to thank everybody so much for your continuous messages and the emails and the voicemails. Really appreciate all the support that you're providing. Just a few housekeeping notes before we kick things off.
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of ponder and kick around. Lastly, before we bring Jeffrey on, I want to thank Gee, who was a guest earlier this year, and David for their kind gifts that they sent me. David sent me in an awesome book and sent me this really cool three D printed flat Earth globe. It's really cool. So thank you guys so much for thinking about us. We greatly appreciate it. Let's kick off episode one hundred and one. Our very special guest today. His name is Jeff. He's got a lot to talk
about and welcome to the program. Jeff, thank you so much for joining us. Hey, George, super excited to be here with you. I've been looking forward to this for months now. So I'll be chat a little bit before and yeah, wait, you know, to chat with you. You're an amazing interviewer. Definitely by far my favorite podcasts are out there regarding this type of stuff, and just you cook people at ease. I love
your open mindedness. When people don't necessarily subscribe to your same thought process, you honor them, you respect them, and so super excited to be here with you. Man, let's do it well. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And that's something I think we all as not just a nation, but around the world, need to do a better job of. And I think social media has played a large part of people's shortness. Mike Tyson once said, everybody has what is it, something smart to say until
they get punched in the face. And I think the face says every every everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face. There you go. And you know, with the with the internet, people back in the day, you know, in the eighties, you if you wanted to talk someone, it was face to face, so you didn't see the type of things. And I think we talk about the double edged sword of the Internet, the wonder of it. Right now, you're you're you know, down
in Florida. I'm up here in Delaware having a great conversation. We're gonna drop this on the Internet for people around the world to see. But at the same time, I think people I've kind of forgot their manners and don't realize when they leave comments or say things that there's actually another real person on the other end, and you never know what kind of day someone's having.
And I've talked about that before. Yeah, consequences right, like back in the day, like you had said, I mean, you got to walk up to someone and share something to their face. Yep, and and it wasn't well received. You find out with the right hook or an uppercut. That's right. Well, let's kick off the program. Go ahead and introduce yourself to the audienceer. But hey, my name is Japp down here in southwest Florida. They living head down here for about fourteen years, originally from
New York about m probably about eighty miles north of the city. So I grew up very much country court fields, apple orchards, very much outdoors. You know, I thought my father always took us fishing, hunting, so I always had an appreciation for God's creation. Know, just really enjoyed my time there, and you know, met my wifes and you know, shortly after she got pregnant, and then you know, we kind of moved around a little bit serving vocational ministry. So we did that for years. Actually,
Inner City ministry. We did that, and you know, as as time grew and our family grew, Uh, the salary of a minister didn't cut the mustard. I'll say no, no, Now, it was really hard to raise a family of four on you know, thirty five thousand dollars salaries. So you know we've shifted years. I'm in the financial planning industry and now we get to help people plan financially. And then as a result, you know, our income has grown as well, and we're really blessed.
I've been married for fifteen years to a hot Puerto Rican wife from Brooklyn, and she liked that when I said that sell get bonus points. Uh, my son is up fourteen a half. Joseph Emma thirteen. Uh. Just so blessed man in Southwest floor and especially during the whole scandemic plandemic, whatever you want to call it. You know, we lived in one of the free estates, you know, second Texas was second, but our governor
really took a stand and just really blessed man. You know, I was committed my life to Christ over twenty years ago, you know, prior military service as well. And you know, our family, our believers, ten Church every Sunday and just we're blessed almost every area and we walk in the authority of Christ. And it is super excited to be here with you.
Man. I'm I think I shared with you. I'm on episode let me see, I'm I'm looking at my following now, episode eighty four fla Earth Files, you know, so I'm not just like running through them, I'm listening to them. And then yes, I'm amazing guests on your show, you know, some some more amazing than others, right, but especially like you know, people talking about holy scripture. It forces me to go back and study being and challenge what I've been taught. Right, does it line
up with God's word? And so through this journey of love, the Flat Earth really have grown closer to God. And it's super excited about, you know, the next stages and surrounded by a group of supporting people. My wife is on board. My kids not so much. You know, they're kind of their brains aren't fully developed, yes, at a thirteen to fourteen, But it's super excited to be here with you, man. So I hope that was a good enough intro. Yeah, for sure. And again
it's great to have you and thank you for your service. I want to ask you a question about your intro. How hard is it when you have a passion to serve Christ and to preach, but but at the same time there is that financial disparity I equate, you know, preaching to podcasting. Very few people actually make money. Now, of course I'm not comparing them, but it is difficult. A lot of people out there who have a passion for it, but at the same time, like yourself, you have
mouths to feed. And it's even for me, it's always been that awkward thing is when you are asking for money from people, especially like now during difficult times. How was that? And even today? How was that? Who do how do pastors overcome that? Well? I would say, you know, I have a unique situation to be able to speak to that because I was a vocational ministry for you know, the first four or five years
of our marriage, That's what it was. And so when I I came to the fact that I realized the fact that all right, I'm I'm serving God, but yet I'm living antithetical to his work. Right, so the borrower slave to the lender, right, God's word says, But yet if I needed tires I was an up, you know, pastoral in pastoral ministry, I had to go get a tire Kingdom credit card to buy tires. So it was like a wake up moments for me, going Okay, here I am serving guys. I'm not doing what his word says. So it
was I got the light bulb went off. So I had a ship years and I killed bugs as an exterminator for one year as I was getting all my financial licenses in order. I know, I love serving and helping people. That was number one. I always wanted to lead people in a better
position than I found them. And it's always been the same way since the military, even on the playground in elementary school, all the way through a financial planting, and so just understanding that and helping me kind of get to that point was a transition going Okay, when I started killing bugs, in my mind, I'm like, well, I guess I'm not in ministry anywhere, and this is just as much for you, George as it is for
people listeners. And then I got to a point when even when I was killing bugs, it was like like, well, the Bible says do all things as unto him, all right, Like, so I started looking at it like if I'm gonna bugs, I'm gonna I'm gonna act like Jesus lives here, all right, I'm gonna do the best I can in that. And one of the best ways to get promoted in life, in this in this world is to do more than your faith. For hands down, you
will get promoted, right. And so I started doing that, and you know, I got my education for the certificates and licensing for financial planning, and I kind of shifted years to doing that. And I realized what especially with money and understanding the monetary system the way I do, which is I know you're a great interview or one of the questions it is going to be later down the road, what started you down to radical? Right? But we're not there yet, right. But but so I look at people.
I always tell them, I said, I don't need your your business. I want it. Like I know one hundred percent without a doubt looking at you right now live. I know where my provision comes from. It comes from God. And I tell people I don't need your business, I want it. I'm interested in growing my business taking care of you. And also at the same time, the more money I make, the more seed I get to sell right. It's a very uncomplicated way I live. You know,
it's pretty much drama free. Here are the principles I've laid out according to the Bible. Here are the hills I'm willing to dine on. And my wife could tell you what hills I'm willing to die on. But George, I've decided ahead of time what hills those are, right, so I know, if a situation comes up, whether it's business, marriage, kids, if it's not that hill, I let it go. It's a great point, you know, And so didn't. The same thing we're regarding speaking
truth to people. Some people are so deceived, whether it's flat earth, whether it's finances, whether it's marriage relationships that they're so ingrained, whether it's COVID, whether it's vaccines, they can surprise they cannot come to the point where they say I was wrong, you know. And it was a big it was a pithotal moment. And I heard you share several times, George, that you know when you first came to the revelation that holy cow,
I was wrong. Yeah, like you were like depressed for like two weeks, and I said, I listened to everything you do. I love you, thanks and so. But it was the same thing for me. It was not that I was depressed. It was like someone kicked me in the in the callon days man, like someone kicked me there. I was like, Bro, I didn't. I tried you my best to keep my emotions kind of in check, right, like to make him obedient to the word
of God. But it was hard to me and like everything I believe, like and I was, you know, prior military I used to say this, and I shared this in an email to you, but I used to say that there's no other country in the world that hasn't has as much power as the United States and has an abuse the least. Bro, I was wrong, like you know, like terribly wrong and like and I was for a while telling my son you should join space force. How delmans that? Like so I'm like crap, I got a choice to make, like do
I say, I was wrong? And then this change course like for pen and not that I was believing with sin, but at the same time, like change course. And I'm one thing that coming to the piece that the earth is flat according to like scripture. That's the main important thing is that I'm okay being wrong, like I am one hundred percent, wholeheartedly okay being wrong. Show me, according to God's word that I'm wrong, I will change course. And I think that it's been a game changer for me.
Like I just you have the right to your opinion, you don't have the right to mind. So it made so many great points there as well. What I wanted to ask you for was you'd mentioned leaving a better place than when you found it. That's something that was instilled in us in the military. Anytime we fell on a fob or you know, a cop, we always made it better for the next unit that was coming in to replace us. And that's something I talk about probably more on my other podcast than here.
But shouldn't we be giving that same energy to try to make sure that we leave this country in a better position for our children and our grandchildren. And I feel like one could argue it's not really our fault, but I don't think that we're doing such a great job with that. No. I mean one hundred percent agree with you, And that was really instilled in me from my father. But like you know, when you borrow a tool, you always get it back with either a new bid, a sharpen blade,
you clean it up, you oil it, whatever it is. This the way the next time you need it, no problem, you know. But coming back in the state of our country is a crap show. What's going on right now. It's heartbreaking to see how fast we have fallen so quickly. But never give up fighting for the principles. Never never ever give up. And that's you know, I'm long on the United States. I just I believe that even from our foundings, it was born in rebellion, right,
like that rebellious spirit. It needs a stir in the American American people once again, you know, and not just line up like sheep and get in line and do this and do this because you're told to, like get back to the core of it. And you know, I just I really believe that everything in me that yeah, we can come through this, but the people got to stand and and this is happening. You start seeing you're starting to see it, you know, with little spurts here and there.
At the same time, it just needs to be worn of it Like we never came for COVID, we never masked, we never vaccinated, and we never like and I it made it just because of a rebellious spirit at me, like I just I don't know, Like even from in elementary school, like I was always in trouble. I always in the principal's office. Don't tell me something, and I had to do it. I needed a why, Like tell me why, explained to me, like wet paint. You
know what I would do, George. I would go just because the signs does a wet doesn't mean it's wet. Yeah, I would go to touch it. Yeah, like just just because I was told about to, all right, and so it's again that's it. You know. You gotta walk that line, you know. And like most recently, we had a friend of mine who goes to our church. She gave us a goat. It was about nineteen months old, and she got mad at it because it got free and it climbed up a mango tree and totally ate and killed the mango
tree. So she's like, Jeff, yeah, I'll take it to the butcher for you. I'm like, no, no, I'll do it, but give it to me. I want to give it a good life for the next couple of months, make it nice and sweet, give it fruit. And so so yesterday I had the whole setup done ray of rock and roll with the goat, you know, the knives and everything, and I got it was a coup de ta in my house. Oh no, once you give an edible a name, you're in trouble. You know what I
named. The first name was chop Up. The last name was Kababa. Oh, chupacabra, chupacabra. So but anyway, I was able to kind of trade difference free turkeys. Oh really, yeah, so it worked out, you know. But at the same time as I don't know me like, it's just I'm going down a different hole. But Western society has been has become too sensitive to all that stuff, too removed from the process.
Yeah, when we started getting chickens and things like that, all the questions I got from family and friends was are you gonna let your daughter just I mean, she's gonna take that, You're gonna take them? And it's how I would say, how do you think people survived for thousands of years? Part of the regional Joyce predicament we're in today is, like you said,
we've really become too soft. And that doesn't mean every time we take our chickens to the Amish I'm compassionate, and there is a small bit of me that is, like, you know, I raised them since they were one day old, so you know, obviously the human side of me is I'm a little sad. But at the same time, I know that my family is going to eat healthy chicken that has zero vaccines, GMOs et cetera in
it, And that's yeah, I check this up. I had my friend Chris yesterday, no, two days ago, you were talking about the same thing. Goes, what if God encoded that animal to want to be slaughter so we could live. What if the purpose for that animal in that animal's mind is I want to die so they could live. I want to provide
for them. I'm like, I never thought about that, and either you know, so I thought I was like a really good, like, you know, teachable moment for me. Yeah, that's you know, and I understand, like you want to be umane, And of course I was sad to do it, like I didn't want to kill the goat. You I named it, and I've met it every morning. It gave you clean water, made sure I moved it around it they figured ass like, But at
the same time, whether someone's a vegan vegetarian, carnivore. Something must die so you could live end of the day. That's it, you know. And so anyway, that was a different rabbit hole we went down. I
wanted to speak a little bit to your convictions. We were speaking prior to the podcast about how your church was one of the churches that didn't shut down, and I've given so many examples of people who had strong convictions and maybe suffered short term during COVID came out much better as if you know, God said you stood by and with your convictions and you got rewarded. Tell tell if you wouldn't mind a little bit about this three of your church and how
it's just exploded. Yeah, so it was Mars twenty twenty, as we all know, the plandemic scademic rolled out on China, and nobody knew the extent of what it was, right, Like we just didn't know. Like at that stage, all you saw what was excuse what was on the media, right bodies in China, blah blah blah blah blah. So so my pastor, you know, I love to man, I'm likely you know, and he took a stand, he goes and he told the church we are not closing. He said they had to come here, dragged me in a
handcuffs. Nice say better be they better be better than average, all right, because he's a retired cop twenty five years right Sarasota County, Florida. He was not. He knows the law, he knows you know what's going on. And he took a stand. And when Pastor Rodney Howard Brown out of the River Church in Tampa but got arrested, and we weren't connected with them prior to that, but he he just had like a juvenile podcast i'll call it from his pickup truck with his with his shepherd in the back,
and he was doing it maybe twenty five viewers a week or some. But he got on there. I did a rant how they arrested Pastor Rodney Howard Brown, and he just he railed against the share of chronister at that point and uh, and then Pastor Rodney from the River Church saw that, and so then he had my pastor, Pastor Tom Up on his podcast and it's kind of and then from that point, because we took a stand, we never closed. I remember April Easter twenty twenty ABS Channel seven and Florida rolled
up to our church with their news cameras. Really Easter Easter Sunday. We never closed. We never put face diperson or face mask, whatever you want call. We never social social distance. We'd never hand sanitized nothing. All
right, it was business as normal as I'm going to say. And they they wanted to come in and basically they were told, I'm paraphrasing here, so don't don't quote me on this, but you could take that camera, turn as sideways to bend over and shove it up your caboose, right, And since then it's just been literally we've had people from all of the country
come visit because we never closed. And now about a two years almost two years ago now, we moved into a huge facility and it sits about a thousand people in the sanctuary, from like one hundred and fifty to running about a thousand people. That's amazing. And the building we took over was a church that closed down and they did online services and they trained their people to stay home. So when they opened up their church, they had their nice space diapers. I said, we're not a fear, oh, we're not
a slave to fear. But they had a mask on that said they were fearful. I mean, how stupid is that? I mean, it's this asinine right, So but anyway, we are we able to walk into that facility at a severe discount, and now we're running, you know, close to a thousand people. He's got a podcast Tuesday's, Thursdays and Saturdays on CTN and full on Ragebald. He's very political, he's very you know,
I don't think he's a flat earth. I don't know. I didn't have that conversation with him, but I do love the man and on he's true to the Bible. And then on Sunday, whether he's a flat earther or not, he said he went up in a helicopter in jack Randa in Venice, Florida, and he was able to see uh Ybor City, which is roughly sixty miles away, clear as day. He's It's like, yeah,
I saw it, so right around. I started looking around the church the people that kind of were on the same vibe, and they were all looking at me. We started texting each other. Oh, I'm like yeah, And I did the math the city roughly about forty feet behind the curve A this quick math, and the tallest building is five stories tall, next city, Oh wow fifty? So yeah, so exactly. So I'm like, all right, but then he knows it or not. He just said it
just took the first step to flat Earth. There it is, man, So now you can't argue that, right. But you know, I love our church, our pastor. He's phenomenal. He stays true, said a word, never, never compromise. And I got one of his sweatshirts on right now Tom Likely podcasts and he's got a crazy beard beard like that too. But just bless ma'am. I don't know, write that down real quick so I can put that in the show description as well. Yeah, well,
let's go ahead and take that next jump. Talk a little bit about your awakening process. When you started going from you know, air quotes h nor me, which it doesn't sound like you ever truly nor me because you did question everything. But when did you start to maybe realize the world operates a little differently than you're told. Well, I would say because of the industry I'm in. I started researching, like you know, currency, let's
what's fiat currency, what's fractualized lending? But like, what is all this stuff? How can the bank lend fake money out and get real interest back. Like what they get real money back? How do how does that work? Even when the bank if they foreclosed on the house, they still win. I'm like, how how does that either work? So I started reading and I've heard you mentioned it several times, and I've been through the book probably about a dozen times. The pre Sure of Jeff al Island tremendous book.
Dude. It's a twenty four hour audio book. Like twenty four hours and my I'm hardcore dyslexic, you know it, which helps me. I'm an awesome problems over right. So the world labels that as a disability. I look at that as my superability, right, So I look at things differently. So when I look I went to that book, which is audio,
obviously not reading. So went through that that the audio book many many times, like holy cow, man, like the light light bulbs started going off, going to the Federal Reserve where they get the model from from the Bank of England into the roth The rise of the Roth Styles was from the Battle of Water Litls and like they said, I mean, like they went and sold all their bonds, crashed the market. Then when it scooped it all up. You know, I'm like, hoole lightbulbs, like that makes
sense, Like, uh, what the heck it started researching. And then also like chapter six in that book they talk about the New World Order like it's freaky. I mean I read that, I'm like, holy crap, that's right now, you know, like almost like ninety percent accurate. And he wrote it. I think it was in the early nineties. He wrote that book, g Edward Griffin. Ye, right, and so it's just
mind blowing man. Like I said, that was like a big wake up moment because especially the industry I'm in, and I tell the people I work with, I'm like, guess, just numbers on the paper. I was like, you know, especially with my background of pastoral ministry and financial planning, I'm on both sides of this because I remember being like in hospice with people right, and I could e gauge the impact both positive and negative on Sola's life. How many people were in line to talk to them, how
many people were in line to talk to them. If there was nobody here, I promptly know they were selfish. It doesn't make them not going to heaven or anything like that. But the standing tide like they didn't have a lot of impact. Where if there was a line going around two floors awaited people to come see them, I know they sacrificed a lot that had that
much impact about people. So and there's no not one person that when I was in vocational ministry, then I visited in hospice that said, let me see my four h one k statement, let me see my IRA statement, let me see my maths. It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't like it's nice to have. I always say, George, like, money's not the end all be all, but it's right up there with oxygen. Yeah, right, it just means freedom in this world. That's it. Right.
You can bless people, you can get nice things, you can help, you know your neighbor, whatever it is. But man, at the end of the day, it's just like you gotta stay and before Christ every need will bow, every total confess that He is Lord. Now you're gonna bow willfully, or you're gonna bow because he cut your knee. That's right,
you know what I mean. And so I just know where I want to be able to do everything in my power to stand before Him and say for him to say to me, well, done, good and faithful servant. Right, So that's kind of my thoughts on that. Before before we go forward with your waking up, I want to show you this. I got this from a listener. This is a Utah goldbeck. That is one Utah goldback. Is that bro? This is This is one ten thousand troy
ounce twenty four carrot gold. And they're starting to use this in Utah. They're going back to gold back money. This small group of people. I got two of these. Look kid it man, I gotta look at that. I gotta order something. Yeah, I have I have a ten billion dollars bill from Zimbabwe. Is it worth eighty three cents or something? I
won't buy a half of libra bread, yeah, but it's yeah. So that's really cool that you use that to go down the first drive hold because a lot of people don't understand fiat currency and how it was taken up the gold standard in seventy one, how the Federal Reserve U. You know, that was Woodrow Wilson's biggest betrayal was because it's very specific who should print the money. Congress should print the money. The day we sought out to the
bankers was really the first big dagger in this country. We gave away ownership of this country to people who And by the way, here's a good trivia question. When is the last time time that the federal Reserve was audited? Nineteen eighty three? It was seventy three or eighty three. It's been elite the years. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like we don't know,
like the gold Reserve, what hasn't been expected? Right, Like, it's like the fenderal reserves, an even federal it's friends of privately held competent. That's right, right, and so is an even Jesus said more than two thousand years ago, right, the love of money the law. People always misquote this, George right, they say money's a root of all evil. No, it's not the law of money. When is a root of all evil? When you esteem money above people or or his calling breer, like,
yeah, it becomes evil. But money is just a tool. So that's why I love knowing what I know from the Bible. No one want to know about the financial markets. And like coming back to Egypt, when God delivered the Israelites out of Egypt, not only did he deliver them, they plundered on their way out with George. Yea, they took everything. I always show because that's why Pharaoh was chasing them, right if he want his stuff back. But at the same time, like understanding and knowing that
like it even like coming back to the life of Abraham. I'm like, you know, obviously pre Moses, pre Jesus, like he was, he was a nation until himself Abraham, but yet he was surrounded by darkness Psalms twining. For he prepares the table in the presence of our enemies, like he mocks our enemy. We sit at that table and it's not like picnic table. Imagine like you had the most special guests come into your house. You put out the nice silverware, the night porcelain, night crazyness, everything
is right, you got the air freshure going. I mean that's the take. Well, he prepares for us in the presence of our enemies. I
mean I enjoyed. I walk in that man like I don't care, Like the devil has no authority over my family, over my life, over my business, like I just you know, resistance devil and Neil Fleet from scripture says right, so you know that was at the beginning of the awakening, And then I was you know, I might tread bill my garage and this is where I I listened to. Ah, it was a Spotify and there
was a podcast. I'm very objective, but the way I look at things, and so I wanted to hear both sides Globe Earth, flat Earth, normies, not normies, whatever you want to call it, right, And so there was this there was this Spotify, and there was a pilot, a Navy pilot. There was another normy where glober or like two flat earth
ors. One was like a physicist and I'm not sure if you know what I'm talking about, but there was a there was It's like, there's so many like plays on this, and so I listened to it and about you know, and it was about three hours long this night, and about an hour into it, the globers, the Navy pilot and the other guy started like just name calling, ridiculing and just like resorting to is salts against the other guys who had like factual data. And right there, I was like,
Okay, what's going on here? Like these guys are idious, Like why would you like, why would you resort to that unless you have, like you didn't have facts, all right, So that kind of led me to kind of the next step of it. It was like, okay, what's what else is up? You know what other podcasts popped up? George would have been The Flat Earth Files. By any chance, it would be
The Flat Earth Files. So so here I am traveling for business. I'm in Roanoke, Virginia, right, So I'm like, okay, So I download like three to four of them, and I haven't you know, usually takes me about an hour or two hours to like decompress from the day they go to sleep. So I always have my wired earphones and listening. So I have, like, you know, a couple of episodes, and I'm gone through interesting you know, like an Arctic treaty, Like that's wow,
how would they do that? You know, like what's the bit of that New Schwabia like avery interesting? You know, like an Arctic we can't go there? What do you mean that's dumb? Of course we can go there. There's penguins, all right. And so I started listening and this being open minded to it, and then I'm flying a little. I went for roto to Charlotte, and then when I was in Charlotte, I had a ten hour delay. Holy cow. So you know what I did for ten
hours. I hope you didn't listen to me for ten hours. For goodness sake, George, I totally listened to you for ten hours straight. So it was either that or joined the drunkers at the bar. I wasn't gonna do that. So I'm listening to your stuff. I'm like, holy again. I'm looking as you're talking in the interviews you I'm looking up scripture. I'm like, holy cow. And it was at that moment, sitting there like eleven PM, like, oh my gosh, I'm so tired. It
was like someone kicked me in the stomach. Man. Yeah, that was like, holy cow, I've been wrong this whole time. It was like that moment, like I had it like do I just stop and ignore it or do I just continue and learn? Except that was wrong and shift gears right. And there's at that point, like you know, I started. Also when I got home, I started watching the level level level with me, next level, and it was the the line of sight, bro, I got me. You know. I would love to say it was God's
word that got me. Is traded me out? No, it was the line of sight that was my argument against the flat earths for like a deck tape. Wow if it goes over the horizon, but there you know obviously that the Earth is round. And I like that was my stick it. Look, those of you guys who are listening, I'm holding up a globe and I'm sitting here for Georgia right now. But I got home and I
threw the sting and is sinking in the drawer right next to me. And I was just like, it's terrible, but the line to sight is like and they assumed in the night conteen nine hundred. I was like, dang it. I don't want to be wrong, but I was wrong. Yeah, you know, uh, And I was a big wake up moment. And then you know, obviously continue listening to the flat earth bials. I love, love, love the people you have on. You had Hiblern flat Earth, Dave On, you know, all the other guests, and whether
they're quote in scripture or they're they're not. You know, Christians, I everyone has a right to their own opinion. That's right, right, and and I really mean that, like you have the right to your own opinion. It doesn't mean that I have to respect to your opinion, right. I respect the right for you to have one, right, And I really mean that, and I think it we can get back to that worldwide,
it might be in a better position, amen. I full circle to what we said when we opened up. That would would we need to you know, just be you know, respectful to each other and understand that Like you said, I think before the podcast, if everybody had the same ideology came on the podcast, it would get boring pretty quickly, right, Yeah,
absolutely, and to be challenged along the way it's important. But for me, for me and my household, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is God's word, amen, Right, And I mean that's and I respect everyone's right on their own journey, you know. Of you don't all my, you don't want my and you don't ask for it, you know. And uh got where it was and said, wellmans, maybe where let God be true and every man a liar? You know?
So everything is if for me it's Bible scripture, what does this say? You know? And then also going back to the Hebrew ancient then like even the king James, like who who paid for the translation? What's the agenda? Like I'm always like you know, asked the question why we reached over here. For those of you watch it, you can see it. You know, understanding the lie reveals the truth, you know, and so for
me understanding the why behind flat Earth, it makes total sense. Like they're because they're trying to pull us away from our creator's right, We're not some insignificant speck of dust flying through the universe. Right. And I did flat Earth Dave. I bought his app after listenings to the podcast. Yeah, I didn't give you credit, so I didn't hear that part of it until
after some My bad. Yeah, but he's got this this animation. It's like the sun flying through the galaxy and then there's a solar system spinning and like I can how DIDs you believe that? Number one? But like especially as it like God's creedy, like he knew you before he formed you in your mother's world. That's the thing. That's how significant, like everyone listening is to God, like he knew, he knew every hair on your head
before you were born. Like and that's why I think I love about kind of studying this type of a stuff like flat Earth is because it's an evangelistic tool, is what it is, Like it bringing people closer to God, like and whether they accept Jesus as their savior or not, that's ultimately their
decision. But understanding like we're in a dome, the firmament that's for him, Like we're like a terrarium, like we are the apple of his eye, and like when you can come to peace and terms with that, like man, like he loves us so much, like he created us, like in this dome, you know, in this whatever you want to call it, I call the firmament right as his line Dallas scripture Rakia, like it's for a regular tast, serve it, and I'm going, wow, I
am special, I am significant, I am the apple in his eye. It kind of for me at least, it tuns me into wanting to please him. And that's the common email I get is it brings people closer to God. You realize that God is not often some distant to mention, He's right above us, looking down. And that is the most rewarding part of
the podcast is hearing people say that it's brought people closer to God. Obviously with everything else in life, it opens up new doors, some adventurous, some troublesome, some trying, But I've always said that I believe God put all of us here in this particular timeline because he knew we could handle it, and I wanted to kind of bounce back a little bit before we come back to flat Earth with your awakening. No, you obviously it was part
of your awakening. Joring COVID. Where had you kind of been awake before COVID, Because the way you handle COVID, it seems like to me that I think it was probably a combination of just your strong faith like Psalm's Went eighteen eight says, put your faith in God, not in man, but also I think that you were kind of distrustful of the government, or combination of both. Yeah, I would say that, you know, COVID was another level, you know, of the awakening, if you want to call
it that. You know, definitely the financial system. I didn't trust the monetary system. It's kind of weird coming from a financial advisor and that, you know, but understanding it's just a tool while we're here. It's not
going to be in God's economy. But so from there, and it was the COVID, like even understanding that the size of the COVID particle, you know, and then understanding like this mask and ninety five mask, it doesn't even it's like like a channeling fence, putting a chaneling depends on your face, making like a little tiny thing is gonna keep it from going through. It doesn't work like this. So I'm like, the math doesn't work.
It's stupid, right, And so I don't trust big Pharma because that's gonna like who owns it, right, who sits on the board, who plus the studies? Like all he say, it's just it's all satanic. It's all about killing us. It's all not to get morbid, but it's all about the destruction of human comp and like you know, like everything from five G to nutrition to vitamins to medicine, like they're they're they're giving us the disease and selling us secure. Brother, that's what it is, yea.
And so through COVID that was my next level. I'm going, no, this is freaking dumb. And I wish I pray over my kids and I believe that God leads the vaccines out of them. I just didn't know what I didn't know about that time they got their some vaccines. But I'm like, it's just they took the kids, and you trusted them, right,
I didn't know, like come back at a band aid? Okay, hey, all right, I didn't even think about it, you know, but you know it's looking at that going it's horrible man like an rfk' junior. I disagree with him on a lot of things, let me say that, sure, but the man, the man is been very smart in other areas and people need to listen. Like his knowledge on the vaccines, it's phenomenal. Now do I think he's part of the overall machine? Probably controlled opposition?
Right? I just like wrestling, you have to have you good guys and bad guys. Yeah, dude, I was like I had a pat in my old pastor for both. Brooklyn used to say, like, you know, Jeff, imagine if you have a whole fish that's fried in front of you, are you gonna eat the bones? Good? No, he goes, what are you gonna eat? He said, I'm gonna eat the
meat. I eat the bones, because it's the same thing with anything, Eat the meat, leave the bones, right, and so, but that was the kind of that next level of awakening was the whole the whole plan Denic and how many people's man it was George. It was so alarming to see how many people got online. Yep, you know, and my wife's hers our her side of our family, don't it. Basically, don't talk
to her anymore. Yeah, that this was one of the most brother This is one of the most divisive whatever you want to call it, you know, events ever perpetrated in our history. Evil just divide and conquer. Yeah,
it was. It's all about division, ye right, And you know, and that's like even coming back to the flat Earth after like surrendering to that, I gave up watching my Dan Bongino, my play of Bob right because even like I was a hardcourt Trump supporter before this, I'm like, wait a minute, he supported Operation Work Speed's right, he's responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths, you know, like he's he launched Space Force. How do you come on? But I'm like, what the heck was I
thinking? You know, I'm just like, I'll vote for him again if it comes out to him with the Seattle dummy in the office, you know. But at the same time, it's like, I just know the right wing and left wing and I heard you say it before, it's part of
the same bird. And then I just I gave up on that, and then I'm the level of peace I have is has grown so much through that, like ununderstanding that that God has the king's heart in his hand, lay down proverbs, right, But you know, coming back to the coat that, it was like, yes, it's all it's all fake. You were We're basically the same to me. Do you remember the Bronx sails. Wait, no, not Bronx Sails. It was called Donnie Bronskill. Yeah, of course, yeah, Johnny, it's a full gazy, full gaze.
It's a fake. It's a fake. It's a fraud. So the whole plandemic, it's a full gazy man, it's a fake, you know. But how many people will lined up? But it's just and man like. I had people come into my office and they had the mask on, and they'll say, you're not gonna mask. When I have a box of masks on my desk, I'll be respectful to your choice. I had a highlighted on the back and on the back of the box it says this mask will
not stop the spread of airborne viruses or COVID nineteen. And I'll hand it to them and go here, let's read this, well, it doesn't matter, you should wear one anyway now, idiotic, Like it's just like I can't like, I don't understand, Like maybe because I'm rebellious by spirits of I don't know. It's just like it says this, but yet you're gonna say this. I don't know, man, Like, it's just it's just part of the whole mind control of the fear of mongering. It's the television,
you know, it is the power of the television. Tell a vision that's right, that programs you right, programming right. I always tell to you, like, if if you're not programming yourself, someone else's. That's Edward Burns were alive today, the things that he could do. And by the way, his great nephew is the owner of Netflix, so I always I didn't know that. Yeah people, yeah, Berney's and uh Sigmund Freud, I think is his relatives the CEO of Netflix. So people are literally
paying, you know, eighteen dollars a month to be brainwashed. And uh, you know, I'll look at movies to break them down because so many movies have hidden messages. We my wife, we have just DVDs, and she's like, I want to watch teen Wolf, and we watched it the other night. I always have my pad and teen Wolf had so many messages and mockery within it. I'm going to probably do it the original. Yeah,
the original with Michael J. Fox. Yeah, it's amazing how many little things were me and my wife if you're just looking at each other, like, man, not even a movie from nineteen eighty five. This has been going on for a long long time now. It's it's it's bonkers. But what's You're like aware you watch things, yep, then go what the heck man, whether it's the feminizing of men, yeah, you know, to the you know, the the globe. I mean, it's just it's
all over a blaze what you see. And that's why I mean, you know, I'm blessed to have a community that I can locally connect with and you know, and talk about these things. And then they're like like social events, like it's hard to like I'm not gonna go like talk about again. Hey, I appreciate sportsmanship, I appreciate the athleticism, I'm sure, but like I say, it's distraction the way I see it though, it's I suppose like my wife says, hey, come in here to do this,
do this with these people. It's more for her, you know, than it is kind of the group. And I love the guys that hang out with and there's some that are very much a tune to what's going on. But sis, it's more interesting for me to dig down into what the heck is really going on. Yeah, for sure, it's more to me. It's more interesting, and it's it's more enlightening. And I look at it as a defense mechanism. Knowledge is power. I've once a year I'll
go watch a baseball game or something. Maybe I'll catch a University of Delaware football game. But I mean, even Mike Goodness, I think to watch a baseball game, I spent one hundred and twenty bucks for the ticket, twenty five to park. It's just everything. I mean. We talked about finances and how crazy everything's gotten out of control. One thing I wanted to mention when you were talking about how the medical industry has been hijacked and how
of course there's no business with healthy people. I just did a podcast last night on the Fact Hunter about the murder of doctor Jeff brad Street. This guy was a homeopathic doctor. He was pretty much oblivious to vaccines. He's like everybody else. You know, you have to go to the vaccine schedule. He took his son to get a vaccine. I think a fifteen months developed autism. Like you said, a light went out, and he made it his life's work to find a cure for autism. And he got too
close to the sun and they killed him. The FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, raid his business office and they found him a day or two later, shot in a creek in the middle of Georgia somewhere. These things happen very often, and it's just this evil legenda will stop at nothing. If you look at the people who got close to making hydro engines like Stanley Myers, who they killed him, or yeah, exactly that. If you the folks, I mean, listen, if you want how homeopathic cure to
cancer, you got to go to Mexico. They have completely Well, you do not have medical autonomy, you do not have physical autonomy in this country. Once again, like you said in the beginning of the of the podcast, that we believe that we are the freest country in the world, and that's simply not the case. Nope. I love direct use a book from
g ever were Griffin A World Without Cancer? All right? He wrote that book as well, and like he lines out like he gives like a fifteen year period, how many homeopathic doctors were suicide of Clinton style World without Cancer, like when he talks about all the natural cures and there's multiple ways high
doses a vitamin seat Africa sees. Look, I'm not going to try to pronounce the Latin name, but there's so many different different ways to do it, all right, But like you said, we're not free here in this country. You can go to Mexico, you can go to Hungary and get something called the Gerson therapy. Like so there's all these I mean, like it's all about giving us the disease and selling us to cure. That's why
I just, you know, I don't try. And I told my wife, the only time I'll go to the like the hospitals for trauma, like if literally if I have like a door sticking out of my chest, like and then like I can't even say no at that point, right soil, like I can't talk, but then I'll go. But like even like you know, I'm in Southwest Florest, we had Hurricane Ian or Ian last year almost a year to date, and then we moved into our house. We've
been into our new house for eleven months. So during the hurricane, I was out here. We had I pumped at one point three million gallons of water out of my props all right like back into the canal where it belonged, like it invaded my property. And so through that process, I was like, you know, thigh deep in water middle of the night. Had a generator. I had this water pump. It was called a trash pump. So every ninety minutes I had an alarm set I had to go fuel
it up. Well, if you're in in subtropical weather at one o'clock of them morning with a light on outside, you're gonna have blood sucker. Oh yeah, I mean like tons of mosquitoes. And I mean so there's and I developed eggzema or shariasis move sharias this is more the right term. And so you know, because it's brought on by environmental, hormodal and nutritional So the whole tipe I was eating door dash. I was out there for a week and a half pumping water. Twenty four seven. I was stressed out
as a hurricane and also on top of that, it was environmental. I was knee deep in swamp water and so I broke out this, this is
eggs and my wife is like, go see the adopter. I'm like, no, I don't trust some So I started doing the research and I was solely able to cure it understanding it was a nutritional deficiency, like I didn't need like because there's so much information go to you can go to pub mid you can go like so many places and learn and if you're willing to give some time, if you're willing to stop watching the idiot box the TV for a little while, I just learn and were eased Church like you could almost
do anything like nutritionally, and like God gave us every scene Barren plant to use right line down Genesis right and then also like how they're trying to kill us. And it was just you know, being able to utilize that. People suffer their lifetime with psoriasis, yea, with medications to take this medication.
I love the commercials, George. They're like, yeah, take this medication, and they're talking about like like like maybe thirty seconds, how great it is, and like the last sixty seconds, how you're gonna die to bid suicide in all these days, but get the people on the screen are still doing They're happy and smiling running. Yeah, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna mid suicide. I mean, how stupid is that? Like, So,
I don't know, that's a big farm. I just don't trust them, man like, because I mean you look at the Rockefellers of the Carnegie, I mean the Morgans. You look at who's funding who's this on the board, who's funding the companies? And also in the business I am. I work with a lot of doctors. They tell me this is all a sham. Yep, everything the names on bow because they're retired. Like, I don't give a crap anymore. So yeah, the raw fellow, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was just saying, it's all about
the shortened our lifespan. Yeah, to make us more dependent on the system, Medicare, Medicaid, you know all these things, and like we were bored to be free, right for whe the sunsets spree is free. Indeed, that's one hundred percent. And I don't hear from the VA until about August or September, and then I get two letters on a phone call, come get your vaccines. Yeah yeah, what er why right? Always ask yourself the question why, Like, yeah, we're a burden on the VA
because you know we're that paying every month. Yeah, they want to try to kill you off, bro, Yeah, get you off the pay Get you off the payroll one hundred percent. By the way, have you ever seen Momrgadaffi's uh United Nations speech from two thousand and nine. Yes, that
was pretty much his nail and his coffin. Yeah, it's so weird, Like I feel like I'm with it, like in the the Upside Down from that Netflix series of Stranger things, like like I agree, but like I can't say one hundred percent agree with Kadafi, but the things he didn't accomplish big time, Like holy cow, that's good stuff man. And then I'm like I'm listening to Pougan for Rush, I'm going, why am I agreeing more than I can't? Allred? Like something is wrong here, Like what's
going on? You know, Like they're they're they're banning sex changes for children, they're banning sex changes for adults, or I mean they're Dave removed the five G towers. Yeah, I mean, like I'm like, dang it, man, Like, I don't want to agree with them, but I'm like it kind of makes sense. Yeah, did you know Russia paid off their debt to the International Bank back in two thousand and five. They're in there. I am at right, that's correct. He has a Montary fund.
Yeah. Yeah, so they're they're breaking away. I'm like, holy crap. Like and like, back in there in the eighties, I had a T shirt I was growing up playing Rby in the woods. It's he used to say, kill a Kami for your mommy. We said that in basic back in the eighties. Yeah, I mean, like the indoctrination goes back that far right, like, you know, so it's just it's challenging if someone's open mind and to come back to like the facts of reality and
they're like track track of the money. And my pastor said this two weeks ago regarding scripture. He said, listen to what the Bible says, and stop listening to what Krishans say. The Bible says. Man, that's a great, great, great quote, you know, like and some I guess comes out to whatever the Word of God said. When I'm behind you know, like that's at the end of the day, I'm I'm not you know, I'm bat Is, I'm not Pentecostal, I'm not Methodists, I'm not.
It doesn't matter. There's no denominations of heaven. Yeah right, It's the only thing that matters is the Word of God. And religion is set up by man. You know, Bolt's Protestant, Bold's Catholic, balth you know, Pentecostal, Baptists, like all he thinks, who cares about that stuff? The only thing that matters. You're gonna be judged according to your works, that's right, relations Chapter twenty, Like he'll open the Book of Life and he'll judge you. Jesus will judge you according to your works.
And some people say, well Jesus doesn't judge, Yes, he does. He's gonna judge you, right, according to your works, based by we are saved by our faith, but through works. Right. So we're saved, you know, not by works, but we're good works. Right. And so some of the good works you're doing is this podcast. Man, you're getting a word out right, and you know, I'm sure you're not getting any threats. Shout out to the NSA out away. Then they're in
the white Yeah. Yeah, but you know, keep I mean, just keep dealing what you do, keep dealing with God has called you to do. And this I appreciate you. I mean, like the word is getting out. I mean, like, how many downloads have you have now? Well, between the two podcasts, we're two point one million, we're over two point one million. It's just only begun for you that. Yeah, you know, I really believe that. And I just I think, like, you know, people are seeking truth, you know, and there's people
that that my past Astra called it covitology. That's a religion like for covid like it's become their religion, their person, like scientism like scientistics, Yeah, scientists. This as stupid man like. At the end of the day, it is God's word. It's it's about where we're going to spend a turn and the the impact we have in the small amount of time we have here. Yeah, it's a it's a drop in a in an ocean in our time here compared to how long we've been at all Earth has been here
and will be here. It's we have a very small amount of time. It seems like just yesterday I was fourteen and playing soccer, you know, on a Tuesday night, and here I am. Now it's twenty twenty three, which is hard to fathom, and it's almost over. Yeah, she
was almost over now. And I remember, like, you know, late twenty twenty early twenty twenty one, when it was still like lockdown air quotes and like walking with my kids and this is where they're really starting to attack the churches, right, you gotta shut down, you gotta do this, that's right, you know. And I remember like telling my kids like never
to deny Christ as your Lord and say never do it. And I told him, and this is a conversation I had at that time was probably by eleven and twelve year olds or actually nine and ten year old never deny Christ. I said, I don't care if they have a gun to my head. Never deny Christ because it's not goodbye. Let's just see you soon.
There you go, you know it. I get how weird to have a conversation with your young children like that, and like in America, right, like and so, and I told them the same thing, like if they have a gun to your head, this is what I told the reality when it came to that, I don't know what I would do, right, Like as a father, right, But I would like the thing. I would like stay true to my convictions and say it's not goodbye, it's to see you center. Yeah, you know, but for us, they even
had that conversation in America, it's sad. Stay what a weird, weird world we lend it man. Yeah, hell, but it's just come go ahead. I was just going to follow with this. Was there a break in the fabric of time where you really noticed was it COVID? Was it nine to eleven? Was it somewhere in between where you've really noticed that the entire shift? Like obviously there was evil looking back at the history going back hundreds of years in our world, and we know much of our history as
a lie. But for yourself, when was it COVID when you really realized that they weren't hiding the evil anymore? Or was it before that? Yeah? Now it was COVID. Like you said, they overplayed their him you know, one hundred percent agree with you, and now the reason being that's the jury's out still right, but one hundred percent. Like it was a great our pastor's brief sermons on this too, like the great unveiling of the Church, Like like the exposing like what do you believe? What do you
what hill are you willing to die on? Like family members are willing to turn on family members for over a vaccine, you know, like churches to close their doors, refused to go visit people, nursing homes, closed people dying alone, Like I mean, to that extreme, it's just heartbreaking. And it's just it's like the Jesus stuff about the righteous anger, That's what I have when I think about that stuff, is that righteous anger? How
dare they? How dare the people of God bend their knee to the world agenda where it's just imagine this if if if the church God's people took a stand so we will not bow down, we will not close down, we will not get a vaccine, it all would have went away. Yeah we have numbers, Yeah we do. We have a lot of numbers in power,
but the people bet their knee man like. And then also like did they overplay And I heard one of your whether it was you or someone out in your podcast, was did they overplay their hand on purpose to expose? Right, let expose the people that are rebellion. It's an intriguing thought. It all right, it totally is and I get it. I'm like, it's pretty smart, actually all right, because they're gonna go after them first. And I remember there was a series that I watched. I think it's
on Roku TV now. It's called The Colony as sci fi kind of aliens comment they like corded off areas, and there was a signal that went out to all the best let's meet in this one areas, talk about how we're going to rebel and all the bets came, but there does We're gonna plan this and they freaking them bomb the area. Oh wow, set them up, you know. So I'm like thinking about that, going what the heck
man like? And so what that is? In a nutshell you just explained, Yeah, Oh, I kind of like I was invited to go to that, but I was like, smart movie. I smell, I smell, I smell something and like one of the things I, you know, like, is it like I have a spirited disservant, which is one of the hard things I had with the whole flat Earth thing. I always do there and very very rarely, I am dude, but I was duped with that. But like with with January sixth, I was like, m hm
song does not I feel right man, with this whole thing. I miss people still in't jail. Yeah, I mean, like, what the heck? So we're not in a free country. We've been taken over, and we've been taking over for a very long time. I wouldn't say almost, say like exception. Yeah, I think we were free from seventeen eighty nine until the charter expired in eighteen twelve. Yeah, I mean the rothschild has been pecking away and pecking away and pecking away until they got out there.
You know, is that is it? The squeaky wheel gets a grief, That's right. And I'm afraid they're going to inplode the market and take over like they did in Waterloo. I mean, the market is very shaky ground right now, especially if we have a shut down next week and everything else that's in line. Yeah, And the thing is this that you know having I'm definitely not a prepper, I'm gonna say, but I'm prepared prime military
expect the best, but PEO prepared for the worst. There you go, right, And then also people, I can't I can't say people myself. I always lean on my restorcefulness, you know, you know, have their wire live trap cases. Yeah, and you know survival food. And I think Dan Bunt, you know, said might I used to be like hardcore in to that. He said, the best day that that plumbs is when he has to throw his survival food away. Yeah right, all right,
and expired twenty five years went by like he never needed. Thank God. That's awesome, you know for that. So but I can like expect the best, be prepared. But I do invest in a lot of precious petals called lead. Freedom seats is what we call him freedom thieves. Yeah, man uh and so but I just like I'm long on the United States. I really am. I really think that, you know, God has great plans for the station. And at the end of the day, if I am America falls, that's it, bro, Yeah, that's it. Came
over. There is no word to go. And I got some some people that invest in property and in Venezuela, some people invested in real estate here. I'm like, yeah, but like it like it could change like this, like one client that has eight hundred thousand dollars in diamonds, I could just take this in this little cup and go anywhere. I'm like, and then what, yeah, you can't eat diamonds. Yeah, I mean like it's like, so the whole thing is getting us to the CDBC right.
Digital currency's right, right, And if it goes to digital currency, diamonds don't matter, gold doesn't matter, platinum doesn't matter. It's just this ultimate control. They have the money they want. It's not about the money for my beliefs. Control power, a control, George, like you said, And it's not about the money because they have that already, all right. They want to power. They want to control everything you do. I'm very anti yeah, likely, like even the I had to go out and then
I had a door dash not door dash, inst the cart. I love convenience. I don't don't mind playing paying for Instacart. So anyway, so Instacart driver came, this was two days ago from my house five o'clock, delivered groceries. And she saw the goat tied up and I had a like a fifty foot tether. I bought a doghouse for the goat. You know, someone gave me the goat because my friend who had the goat, it got loose and ate their whole ango tree, crawled in the tree and ate
the whole bang. I said they didn't want to goat anymore, and they were like, Jeff, we'll bring the goat to the butcher for you. I'm like, no, no, bring it to me. I'll come, gonna give it his best life for the next two months and then gonna process it, you know, for food. So the door, No, the instacar driver came. He said, oh the goat. Oh it's tied up. Oh I don't like that. I'm like, that's okay. You know, you have the right to your opinion. Go about your business. Well
she called animal control. What yeah, So animal control came to my house when I wasn't there. Because I was there, it would have been a little bit different. And then my wife this very passive, like anti aggress so like whatever you need, and so I gave her a warning. He said we needed to move the goat, and so I called the officer from my my four myyers office, like, what's the problem, because well, per county ordinance, you can't have a dope, a goat, a dog
tied up under without supervision. I'm like, oh okay. I was like, I'll get to take care of when I when I go home. And the officers like, what are you gonna do with the goat? I go ask, none of your business, you know, and she's like, well, what do you mean I can go it's none of your business. One I want to do with the goat. And so anyway, I didn't like that over each track, like that's my property. What do you trends tell me? So anyway, I get home and you know I didn't it did
not dispatch the goat. That was my plan. You know, I had my skinning knives. I think it's called a gamble or something or gimbal. Yeah, you know, you get processed the animal and you know, dispatching inanely of course, and uh did I got there's a coup daytime in my house. So I got outboated. So we ended up trading the goat for about three geese. Nice. So apparently the one light is equal to three
lives. Best of my family's eyes. Anyway, But I just I don't like to over each man, like, who the heck are they to tell me what to do? Right? I just I don't like big government, little government. I didn't even think paying federal ancoln tax is voluntary, you know, that's kind of what it is, right, that's not a battle on mold to like just yet, George, I am researching it, but
the federal government has more resources than I do at the moment. Yeah, that that is something that a lot of us struggle with every day, especially like today. I called my senators Carper and Coons, and you know, I had heard yesterday that they're trying to push through this emergency bill which just happened to have another six billion dollars for Ukraine. And I'm telling these guys, when's the last time you've walked through the state. Our homelessness has exploded.
People are barely getting by. You know, look what's going on with our brothers and sisters in Hawaii. We're thirty three point one trillion dollars in debt, and you're just so irresponsible with no regard to our children, grandchildren. Just continue to drive. And it's funny even that our credit is like
a what is it double, a plus plus or something like that. If if it was a personal credit score with that kind of debt, we would have a single digit credit score as an individual with like that much debt to credit ratio, if you will, it's important, Yep, yeah, it is. In the horrible Stewart. It's that's why I just you know, regarding saving monetarily for the future, that's why I love roth money. Yeah, Roth, I raise Roth bore one case and can they always go change
the law? They can, sure, but realistically only ten percent of the retiring assets live in a rath satus in this country. Yep. Alright, So like all they have to do has changed the tax code to get more of the ninety percent of the other money. That's right. So is this let the path of least resistance for them to get more money out of your ira of urt? Okay, that's just I totally look at this tax code and go, what's the most legal way to give the blood sucking internal revenue
service as little as legally possible, that's legally possible, legally possible. Thought say that again, you know, but it's just at the end of the day, it's just we're gonna stand before God to go what did you do the resources I provided? Yeah? All right? So we love giving and impacting those around us, you know, via you know, the church and community. It's important, man, It's just as important as the work you're doing here, and you know, waking people up, you know, I
love you man, love the podcast. You know, I appreciate that. You know, once in a while, you I think every third or four episode you do the email kind of recap from the listeners and things like that. And there's a gentleman out of Transcellania, what's its Glad and he be uh, he is going to join us. I think we're we're coming. I think on like October third, so it'll be some time the first early second week of October. It's a seven hour time difference, but we got
it all squared away and we're going to record. It should be a lot of fun. Man, This from being in my mind, I think you like he's sitting in a castle with torque fine, he said, I don't do it if he's during the daytime. I said, oh yeah, yeah, like youth had to come out of a cop. But there's a well
but he's great. I mean, I joined like the different you know abuse you have on the you know the podcast, whether there's people of faith, people who aren't a faith, people that are in the middle, and you're not you're not judging towards Sammy's hear them out for sure, you know, and just an easy interview or man, so along appreciate it. Keep up the hard work, man, keep waking people up. We keep sharing the
truth. And you know, and it is a quick story. I was in South Carolina and with a group of financial advisors, about sixty of us, and we were at the BMW factory in Greensville, South Carolina. That's where they make all the X, the X models, and they had a test track. Yeah, you could ride the M threes and fours and stuff like that. But so afterwards, we're sitting at a table and there was about eight of us, and so I just I ease into things. I'm
pretty tactical on how I talk about bangs. And so we started talking about the monetary system. And then who better to talking about the monetary system with a bunch of stuffing financial advice, right, you know, like everyone's got an opinion. I'm like, yeah, it's just like you know, like with the whole monetary system, as Ifi gaysis to fake. It's kind of like, you know, what do you think about the moonline thing? And so you know where I'm going, right, So they're like, oh,
some people are like, oh it's a fake. Some people it always real. How do you beat and I'm like, yes, almost, Like is it earth? E're around silence? Right? Oh boy, oh boy. It was like freaking crickets. Man, you want to talk about the best way to clear the table out? Hey, bro, let's talk it awful that Earth. And so there was one guy left, you know, and Christiane guy we were talking. He goes, Jeff, I'm like, listen, hey, man, Like, here's how I gauge what I'm researching.
Is number one, is it pulling me away from God? Is it sin? Number two? Is it keeping me neutral? Right? Things that God's kind of neutral on. Like let's say, if we're talking about sports cars, right, not necessarily it's not sin, but it's not getting me closer to God. It's got a neutral And then are there things that are pulling me closer to God? Right? So Earth has definitely pulled me way closer, man, way closer, without a doubt, man way closer. So
I was kind of we're talking about flat earth. He goes, well, that's definitely pulling you away from God. He told me that. And I can't say committed murder my heart George at the moment, but I really wanted to give him a rifle butt to the face buster, maybe a couple. I'm like, who are you going to tell me what's pulling me closer to God? How do you even know? So, like, some of the smartest people out there are some of the dumbest right there. They're so closed
minded, they're so stuck in the mud. And like, you got to pick and choose your battles, brother, Like, don't waste your energy on people that aren't willing to receive. Like, put that energy, George, people that are willing to receive and recept them. And that's such an important point because at the same time, it can be be more destructive. It can actually chase people away. You have to That's why we talk about bread breadcrumbs, excuse me. And if they if you can see the you know,
the curiousness in their eyes, then give them more breadcrumbs. If they turn off, you're just going to chase them further way if you continue to come at them like that. And I should ask that question kind of a follow up, have you had do you have any stories of luck kind of getting people to look into flat earth? Oh? Yeah, solably, Yeah, a lot of it. You know, my wife number one, that's my number one partner, and crime. Maybe not in crime, but you
know, she's my best friend, my lover, my business partner. Without her, it would be a lot harder to do life. And but come came down to the scripture. Let's look at what the Bible says. Like he says, it's immovable, he said in Isaiah forty, he stretched out like like at ten both of us. So hey, like you know in Genesis here he separated the waters low from the waters above. I like,
here it is. And she's like, oh, that's easy. Like she got on board right away because she believes the Bible, like whatever that says, not what I say. What the Bible says, right that that was easy for her to get on board. But there's a lot of people in my local network that all I care about is what Scripture says. Like if God says this, and that's what I believe, that's what matters, all
right, So I am blessed. So there's a lot of people around that that are on board, and I, you know, I test the waters. And then also at the same time, with young believers, you know, people who are new to their faith, the most important thing is salvation to them. To me too, for this right, like make sure that you repent. You're saved, like you know you're going to have and like
Jesus your Lord and savior. Next thing is like get your life right, stop sitting you know, all these different things and like and don't don't necessarily like I forgot the scripture, but you know, you know you're ready for milk and meat, right, Like the younger believer they're still on the milk, right, I think you know, understanding and kind of the deep programming
and reprogramming. A flat Earth may come later in their journey, you know, because it's not like whether you believe in flat earth around Earth, that's not a salvation issue, you know, it's not. You know, so looking at that going the number one thing is salvation and then it's it's being
led by the spirit and then growing into those things. Man. And but when you look at scripture through the mindset of like like there's literally and figuratively in scripture, right, So figuratively is like you know, Jesus is talking about the paramids figuratively you know, as as it is or as such.
You know that's figuratively, But there's literal, like you know, Genesis, it's it's it's literal, right, Isaiah literal, you know, revelation literal, you know, and let let God's word be true and every man a liar. That's at the end of the day. It's all about getting people to the understanding that they're not insignificant, They're not a mistake, They're not
here by accident. I don't care what your mom did with some guy when she was eighteen, Like, it doesn't matter, Like God do you before you were formed in your mother's will, Like you're here for a purpose, and your purpose is to glorify the Creator. Right, But I don't know if they answer your question now, Yeah, I did want to ask one more question. Do you have plans to to sit down and have a conversation with your pastor about this or is that something that kind of hands off?
Well, I'm gonna say, I'm I'm tabling that for now. You know. I always look at like things that like, is it worth breaking fellowship over That's a great point, That's that's a way, That's a way I look at it, right, like, and I will to break fellowship over it. And then then at this stage, no, I'm not you know, now, next month, next year, it may be different. You know, like I said, the only thing that matters to me is God's
worker. And like I even like recently stopped eating cork all right, like and again not from a religious stamdpoint, even though it's a very unclean animal. But I saw this freaking TikTok video George, like this woman had worked Coca Cola over a pork shop and the parasites started coming out. Oh no, yeah yeah. So I'm like, oh, I don't know if it's true or not, but I'm like, I'm making sausage and peppers the other you'll never be able to look at. I made a big cast iron pot
slaus peppers regatta. I don't need it hot hot peppers. Then look up Pepperccini's phenomenal straight New York status. I couldn't get it. Well, I couldn't. I couldn't touch it. I gave it away the whole thing, you know, I just I look at it, like even ask for Team. I recently cut ask for Team in sacharn. I know it's always says I get it, dude, Like I'm in this journey of like trying to
get better, but I cut that out recently. But it's just always trying to get better man, like, and you know, at the end of the day, it's God's word, you know, let that be true. But also we're the temples of the Holy Spirit, right, yeah, we should And like I'm a weight yeah, we should do our best of that. I'm a weight loss expert. I lost the same eighty pounds ten times. Wow, you lost eight hundred pounds. Yeah, yeah, I've never
heard it put like that. You're right, it didn't. But so I can tell you, yeah, to lose, it's just keeping it off. But it's just don't stop fighting. Don't stop fighting for this country, don't stop fighting for the truth, don't stop fighting for your marriage, don't stop fighting for your family, don't stop fighting to get healthy. Just never quit. And like that's that mindset, Like, never quit fighting for the truth man and trying to improve, and don't beat yourself up if you make a
mistake. That's that's why Jesus died on the Crossforce. Yeah, great point. Jo. I had a friend of mine in North Carolina. I'm not going to mention his name, but he he's struck, really struggling with things. Yeah, with alcohol and different things, and he goes, brother, I don't know how much longer I'm gonna be around? And he goes like, you know if I died today, Like, I'm okay with you know what I did for the kingdom. MI says, shut up, Why are
you selfish? That's what I told him, So why are you selfish? Listening to yourself? But like, how do you know that God doesn't have another twenty thirty forty years of you ministering witnessing to people. Stop stop thinking about yourself, Think about all those other people you could impact. And like it stopped him in his track because he was thinking that I was going to say, oh, come on, stick no, like shut up, man,
Like, don't be selfish, Like it's not about you. It's about all the other people that are in line and waiting for you to get to them, you know. And it's this internal impact man, opening people's eyes God's word to the blessings God has for them, and just the truth man, like you know, whether it's not nine to eleven, whether it's vaccines. I didn't even go down to nine to eleven, rabbit hole. I
just I would know I was wrong about the whole thing. You know, I will get there eventually, after I finish up you know, studying. When I'm studying then also like revelation, you know it was at thirteen thirteen sixteen, I'm studying the mark of the beasts. All right, that's a
whole nother rabbit hole going down right now. Man, Like if King James and Geneva Bible says you'll receive the mark of the beasts in your hand and in your forehead, that's right, not on, not in you know, And is it in part of the MNR a vaccine because it manipulates your DNA, Like is that so I'm like going down that whole rabbit hole now.
Yeah, there's a lot of people who think that that was the mark of the beast, and there's a lot of people who think that was conditioning for the mark of the beast, right, And so for me, the jury's out man, Yeah, you know, like the jury's not out for me anymore. For flatter Earth one hundred percent end Listen, is what the Bible says. This is what I bleed, uh, And so's it's just about
growth and like pursuing the truth. Man. I just I can't say enough about the quality of guests you have on your show, man, like and like whether it's someone who's their first time on a podcast or not used to speaking. They all have something to add and I just I can't I look forward to the episodes. I've still got caught up yet, right, but I can go through it and take notes and go to scripture and go, holy caw, look at this, like why are we worshiping on Sunday?
Like like holy cow. He had a good point, like an understanding and learning. It's just it's a journey, man. It's just I can't say you know how thankful I am again for you guys, your family, your sacrifice. We're doing this taking a time out man like it's it's making an eternal impact it And the thing is, George, like, you won't even know the true impact that this podcast has add until the day of judgment.
I've never thought of it like that. You won't even know, Like you won't even know if you race up the next Billy Graham or the next like you don't you have no idea the size of the mansion you have waiting for you all right, Like we don't know. We just have to do what you're called to do. And I always like look at myself as a financial evangelist. It's all right, like you're changing people as well. Absolutely, yeah, like you know, to do what God's called you to do.
And the number one calls a divorced the United States is money, followed by infidelity. Well, if you're fighting up about money, I know what's not happening in the mid room. Yeah, it's this negative compounding effect. Man. And so like the more people that I personally can impact along the journey, and I'm gonna tell them the truth because I want that as a client, I don't need that, right, So that's kind of they get the truth. That's also but again, you know, appreciate it. You know,
I did have some some some questions. I know we're probably coming up to our Yeah, yeah, we've got about five or ten minutes left. And before I forget when you get into your questions here, I want to give you guys a free rabbit hole tonight. Go research Donald Rumsfeld and aspartame since you mentioned that, there's all thanks, George's just like I need another one. If it's crazy that guy is shading the ten in October, go ahead, all right, said no more coke zero? All right, I
want to look at that. Maybe not tonight. But I guess, like what's your thought? You've heard about the like October fourth, like National broadcast, like what like synapsis on that stuff of like what do you what do you like? I have watched it all. I'm not big on these dates at all, but this one particularly. There's a movie in twenty sixteen called The Cell. It's called Cell not best sell, Sell selll and it's all about then sending out a signal via cell phones and it turns people to a
zombie like steak. It's quite interesting because they always have to tell us the truth, right, Yeah? Absolutely, So you ever heard that movie sell before? I have it, but I'm looking at it now and I see it's got some of the people in the no John q S. Jackson. That's very interesting. I'll check it out. And what was it based on? Again? It sends out a message and what turns people via cell phone
signal? It turns him into a zombie like state. Oh boy, now now growing I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm just gonna say grown up. We remember we'd be watching the television on us whatever day and it would there be a break. This is a test of the emergency broadcast system. This is only a test and then yeah, and then if it was an actual
emergency, you would be instructed so on and so forth. And it sounds like that's kind of the same thing, except I want to use it on cell phone owns and tablets and your specifically five Oh I didn't know it was specifically five G. Yeah, from what I'll look at that and I made raw right, But the question I just hadn't heard that. You know,
that's really interesting. That's been even my you know, family members who normally don't they're they're a little concerned, like it's kind of weird because the thing I'm concerned with a lot of times when they have these tests were exercises. Maybe it's not always the exercise, but there's something else that is going on alongside of it. Let's go back to nine to eleven. There was all those operations going on that day, and they said they were confused whether or
not it was an actual emergency or it was the training exercise. That was the reason they were allowed to keep these planes up in the air for however long. And you know the history of this country with false flags, there was a lot of joint exercises along with it, so I haven't paid super close attention. I mentioned it on my last podcast to be aware of it and kind of keep because next week could get ugly. But the government shut
down everything else. So I would definitely keep your eyes peeled and definitely check out this movie of the cell. I'll definitely try to check that out. I should have some downtime tomorrow, I'll try to check that out, and I'm gonna try to watch it tonight. But just to excuse me, some of the previews I watched, I was like, holy chaw oh boy. Yeah, because it's supposed to activate someone inside the MNRA vaccine. Again, not like I don't get on the word with all that stuff, but day
well, I don't know. For some reason, my spirit has I'm a heightened a little bit to it. And so the next thing I have for you, George is George, did not bump me up to this. Let me say this, but how can someone sell a financial seed into what you're doing? Like what's the best way? Like, don't say you don't do, but what's the best way. Let's say, if someone wanted to support you and what you're doing, so you can send a check, our money order to our po box, which is on both websites, the fact under
dot com and the flat earth files dot com. If you scroll down to the bottom, it's George Hobbs PO Box one zero nine, Goldsboro, Maryland two one six three six. But I am considering doing like a gift send go in the near future to help with the websites. But I'm going to do a joint one because I want to get boots on the ground in East Palestino, Ohio next month. That costs. I'm not taking my personal vehicle with my license plates over there in case I've learned across from some suits.
We're doing live shows in Oklahoma City April nineteenth, We're doing a live show in Waco April twentieth. And just the cost of keeping this up, so I'll probably if you want to send a check, a money order the addresses on the website or again, I'll probably in the next few weeks run a gift send go for just a week or two, just a little fundraiser, and if you want to give, that's absolutely fine. If not, I've said this a million times. I will never ever, ever, ever,
ever ever put my information behind a paywall. I will never do that. Yeah, now I get that, you know then. So one of the things my build pastor from Brooklyn used to say regarding missions, and when I look at what you're doing, it's truly a mission field, all right. So there's people who are called to go down in the well, George, yeah, like you are. You are in the well, all right. And there are people who are called to find hold the financial rope. All
right. You could be way more effective if you had more finances. I don't shy away from that. It's just a tool. Money's just a tool. How we use it, and that's why I just I just ask, like, you know, how could we support you may if you put a little button like in best Yeah, that's up, you know, like make
it easy for me to get make it easy for the other people. And again for everyone listening, George did not put me up to death, you know, Like I just understand the power of Like your prior military, you understand a forced multiplier, right, you have an M sixteen or a saw or M sixty, Right, M sixty or the saw is a forced multiplier. I guess what, guess what money is. It's a force multiplier, that's right, That's what it is. Man, and I'll shy away from
it. So I'm gonna definitely we're gonna sew aceed into what you're doing. We appreciate you, and uh look forward to just continuing the journey with you, man, like I'll be cheering you on and praying for you and your family and just blessed to be here with you. If I hand mat, I appreciate it. And you jogged up the memory. I carried a saw a two four nine during my first ah there you go or multiplier. Yeah, I had my pork up and that thing was you could fire from a
thirty round magazine, you could fire from a pork chop. It was a very diverse weapon. It had a bipod on it. It was it was a badass weapon. George, let us be the pork chop your community. Let let let the listeners be that saw for you. Man. I'm like, you know, let us do it, because I just not just I could. I mean, I'm speaking for myself now, but I know there's you know, tuds of listening to Yeah, I could do that, Like I can't necessarily, you know, commit to a whole podcast and do it
myself. But I got financially so acceded to that, like I'm about it and like I love it. To appreciate it, man, Yeah, well right out man. And also like any other listeners, I know a lot of your listeners started podcasts that you know, I'm always open for an invite you have to jump on. Love this stuff, love supporting the truth, and just appreciate you, George, Appreciate your family, Appreciate the work you're doing, all the guests you have on just awesome and liking up here.
You guys want to visit us Southwest Florida. I have an eight hundred square foot suite upstairs that you and the family are welcome to. Nice. We can go in, do some fishing and ask some fun. Top flighters would love that. I would love that so much. And again we'll have Jeffrey's email address Jeffrey dot Temas at gmail dot com. It will be embedded in
the show description if you want reach out to him. And I'm sure you will have people reach out and asked to be on all the other podcasts that have, uh, you know, we've already had people who had podcasts when they came on, and many people who have just started them, and they're all tremendous and it's we're building a you know, it takes an army, as they say, right, and we're building that army. And uh,
I just go George, no dot between the Jeffrey Tomorrow. Oh no dot, Okay, I'm sorry, no doubt, no doubt, You're good. I figured I just jumping there. No, I appreciate that. And again, guys, just copy and paste and I'll make sure that dot's not there in the show description. I appreciate that. I got a bunch of emails that's not his dress. Yeah, so squared away. Awesome man. Well, thank you again. Do you have any last words or comments that you
wanted to give to George. I want to pray for you. Please go ahead that. Yeah, Father, we come before you in the namage Jesus, we pray for George. We pray for his family, We pray for his Ministry's pray for his crops. This seed sad that they yield, Savy said, unfold. I pray that you just pour out an abundant blessing upon all the work of his hands, that many people come to the knowledge of who you truly are. God, who pray this in Jeesus thing Amen,
brother, and thanks for that. And to the listeners, I apologize for the scratchy throat we've had rain that we had that little tropical storm come through. I'll be fine in a day or two. So if it sounded a little off, it's just a little allergy slash cold. But we're good to go again. Jeffrey, thank you so much for joining us, brother. I really appreciate it's been a lot of fun. And like you said, something that I learned something from every person who comes on the show and read
the Bible for yourself. Don't how did you say that? Again, don't listen to us, don't read the listen to what the Bible tells you. Don't listen to what Christians tell you the Bible says indeed, because that's the same as watching TV. To get your message right, And don't listen to everything I say and take it for gospel. That's what I say all the time, and just take what I give you as a challenge. The show notes are loaded with links. This one's going to have about ten or eleven
links. Take the time and do the research and absorb all that knowledge. And again, God bless you all. Thank you for your continued support. Thanks again jeff for joining us man, it was a real pleasure. Don't forget, guys. The website the flat earth files dot com. The email is the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. If you're watching on Rumble, do me a favor. Just take one second, hit the like button and leave a comment and that'll get the what do they call the algorithm going.
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