The Stockton’s

so I had one spot locked up. I was automatically going to pick Raymond Floyd because I was gonna pair him with Couples, which was a brilliant pairing because at that point in time, Couples didn't know how good he really was. Okay, but I needed one more pick, and it boiled down to be between Tom Watson, Tom Kite, and uh chip Beck. And basically and I pulled five or six players to play with him. I wanted them happy, and it turned out we've ended up. Pick and ship back.

Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears get the time. Welcome to the fire Pit with Matt Janella needless to say. Goat Hill Park in Oceanside, California is a special place. Pull up, grab your clubs, throw a leash on your dog, walk to the recently renovated range, and you never know who you might see. There's Dean Wilson, Mike Weir, Bill Murray, Charlie Hoffman, Jeff Ogilvie, Kelly Slater, Xander Shafley, Byron Scott

or Bubba Watson. But on this day, the day that inspired this podcast, I saw three generations of Stockton's Dave Stockton Senior, Dave Stockton Jr. And junior son Jake, who's a sophomore at Arizona State Senior. One ten times on tour, two PGA Championships, fourteen more on the champions Tour, which

included another three majors. He played at USC turned pro in nineteen sixty four and was a member of the nineteen seventy one and seventy seven Rider Cup teams, both were winners, and he captained the winning Ryder Cup team in ninety one at Kiawa's War by the Shore. He also played a role in the two thousand four Rider Cup,

which will get too later in the podcast. Stockton who is not yet in the World Golf Hall of Fame, will tell you he has had a better career as a short game and putting instructor than he had as a player, working with the likes of AKA Phil and Rory. He's married to his wife Kathy, who will hear from throughout this podcast, and they'll celebrate Senior's eightieth birthday in November. They have two sons, Dave June and ron Or Ronnie,

who both played professionally and are also instructors. Junior, who played ten years as a pro and who won two nationwide Tour events, is a fixture at the Goat, and he often brings his son, Jake, who spent most of his childhood playing sports like water polo, but now at six ft five inches, has turned to golf and is

office seven handicap. I got paired with all three Stockton's that day as they were preparing for the Herdsman, a two man summer tournament at the Goat in which Senor was going to partner with Jake Jr. Was playing with a longtime friend. But before we get to all of that and several reflections on life and specifically Ryder Cups, I'd like to thank our friends at link sol for

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link soul dot com use promo code fire Pit. As you can imagine, going all eighteen with three Stockton's was a special day. Not only did I get some tips, it was a treat to watch them all interact with each other. You can see some of that in the video on fire Pit Collective dot com, which we dropped along with this podcast, and just prior to the Herdsman, we had them all stopped by the fire Pit offices in Oceanside to record some of their stories and perspective

on life and golf. We start with seniors first memories of the game. I mean, I grew up in Sammard, you know Derrowed Country Club and my dad was the pro at the time. And the pro shop was like three doors down from us, and our front law and the mowers of the golf course to just mow our backyard as it was mowing the golf course. Um. So my first impression is, like most other kids, I used the backyard not to play golf. I use the backyard to play football and baseball. And it was the coolest

place in the world. And you know, I I would play, I'd be you know, I would remember little kids. I'd play up the first hole, which is the part five, and I played down the eleventh hole, which is a part five. And I only had three clubs. I had a putter and a three wood and a nine iron, and I just play away and the eleventh green are our house was between the second green and the eleventh green.

In between that was the twelve team that was eventually later on when I was a pro, I would practice up to twelfth hold late at night, but then I would be playing back and forth over the greens. So I the only thing I remember as a kid is going to the putting green at the clubhouse, which is three doors away. And here I'm six or seven at the time. I would challenge anybody to put if they were dumb enough to put up on the pudding green.

I mean, I was good at what I did. You already dead, You already remember being good when you were six secon years about anybody. I mean, I just not not for anything. It's just a matter, you know. I want to play, you know, I mean, and I didn't have to go out, and I didn't want hit balls. It wasn't about distance or anything. I just it was the easiest thing, probably less effort, just to go put rather than you know, going along part of the course.

As for Junior's first memory of golf, the summertime was spent following him around on tour and before I was early as I was a couple of weeks old when I was first on tour, three weeks old, I was out on tour. I was We were called tour brats. That's what the kids were called. Back then. There was no daycare that they have set up now. It's so great for the players that wives can actually go out

and watch her husband's play. When we were growing up, the wives would take turns, like my mom would get to watch my dad play nine holes, then she'd come back one of the other wise would go out and watch her husband, and she'd watch us. And you know, we were always playing at the hotel because when we did go out to the golf course as little kids, were always hanging all over our mom, and it was hot, and we'd be hanging on both sides of her, and Dad's inside the ropes have and his fun and Mom's

dying walking with us. But I know right inside, yeah, all the time. He never hit a crooked But I as a kid, I would remember I was always all in on watching the golf and I would run up to the fairway where they'd land, and I'd look back at the tea and watch him hit. And if he hit his tea shot and he just picked up his tea immediately, I knew the ball was going to be in the fairway, but a lot of times it was more him leaning one way or the other, and so

I'm looking for the golf ball. But I'd watch him land and then I'd run up to the green and watch him approach. I I didn't miss the shot when I was at the course, I just loved it. And then there's Jake. I just remember always going to the College of the Desert and just hitting balls in the range. They're just get one of the big buckets and just

hit balls until it's gone. And I just went through each bucket, just trying to figure it out, and started these the c U S d A tournaments as a kid, and eventually round towards when high school came around, I I M kind of just like fell off with golf, and then more recently, I've like a couple of years ago, I started picking it up again. I'm starting to really enjoy it now. Although he grew up around it, golf

wasn't senior's first choice of sports. If I hadn't broke my back when I was fifteen, I would have I would have not been a golfer because I like basketball and baseball, not that I was any good at it, but golf was like a sissy sport. I mean I I mean I played tournaments, I won tournaments before I was ten, but it wasn't anything that I put any effort into. And it wasn't what the athletes were doing

back then, right, it wasn't all. It just wasn't cool. No. But seeing my dad came out of that you know, depression all this other time, and he was a pro in the thirties, but there's no money. He couldn't play anywhere, you know me, unless you were. I mean, I have a picture, great picture he and Walter Hagen when he had an exhibition against Walter Hagen and Arrow had nineteen thirty seven. I mean, the two of them standing there. I mean, my dad could really play. But when my

I'll show you how about how much shoots. When I was twelve years old, my dad said I was gonna have a summer job. Okay, everybody else gets out and Junior mentioned this, everybody gets out in in May, and now you played off play all these tournaments. Sure, I never played more than three tournaments in a summer. And I worked the first summer at his sporting goods store.

I mean, I remember selling a twenty four ft cabin cruiser that was like six thousand dollars, which is a lot of money back in the you know, in the mid fifties, and shotguns and did all this stuff. From the end of the year, my dad informed me that I was going to go to work the next summer for the neighbor. While the neighbor happened on the lumber yard. And I'm a friend of the next door neighbor who owns the lumber yard and holding three of them. Okay,

I'm introduced to his Clarence Fox. I'll never forget this guy. I'm introduced and I'm the only guy that's not in union, so I'm a friend of the owner. It's a union run business. How much chance do I have? And I spent every summer from then on thirteen on until I

graduated MESS working at the slumber yard. Never I played three tournaments when I was seventeen, trying to get a scholarship to get sc played the Harshet Revere and I played the national junior at at Stanford University and I just but that was that was it, and you got the scholarship. Yeah. And then probably the first time in l A I shot eighty three. Senior said he made a dollar an hour in his first summer at that

lumber yard. And while at USC, he got set up with Katherine Bales, a beauty queen who was also from southern California. What was it about Dave Stockton that just stole your heart? Well, I met Dave at my front door. It was it was a blind date, Yeah, and set up through the family. Um, I knew if his name through friends, but I had never seen it, so to see him for the first time right there at my front door was really kind of fun. But you know, at that point in time, you have no idea what

direction this is gonna go. But if you know, it just all happened pretty quickly. Um. We knew within a month that he well, he wanted me to wear his fraternity pen because he was still at SC finishing his final semester. And I told him, I said, you know what that means, of course back then and he said yeah, And I said, yeah, it's engaged to be engaged, and I said, this is serious. I don't know if he really understood that, but anyway, to me, that's what it meant.

So um, I said, yes, I told we wore that, I bore the pen U s C and and went through the whole deal with the pinning, and it was that was the start. And within oh a couple of months after that, we were talking about getting married a year from then. And he goes out on tour qualifying and he's so lonely out there, he says, can we move that wedding up and back then? You could? So within three months we moved it to February and here we are. We that was the start of our life.

Our honeymoon was practically almost nine months out there on tour, never going home, and just an adventure and loving it and just we were a team. We knew we had were going to be a team from then on and and that's how it started. So it's really been, you know, quite a life for us. And I don't know if there's too many other people have a story like that, but ours is pretty special. From the day you met him at that front door, how many how much time

passed before you guys got married? A year in a week? Wow? Yeah, a year and a week. That's amazing. That's and now you guys have been married fifty six years, going on fifty seven in February. Yeah, and the se February. The secret has been, I don't know, just enjoying each other and loving each other and loving what we do together. We do so many different things together. He loved hunting.

I learned to love hunting and enjoyed it with him, Uh, fishing, and of course we were lucky we had two boys and they could enjoy things like that, and the fact that they could enjoy what their dad was doing out on tour, traveling together. Um, I mean, how could you not say it was perfect? More from Senior on the early days of chasing his dream, one tour stop at a time. When I started on tour, the hardest part of our life was that Kathy had to watch the kids and I'd go out up for the month of

a time, not more in a month. But I wasn't like guyber a two week stretch I'd go for. And so consequently, you know, when when they got out of school, boy they were on tour because then we could travel together. And that's why I didn't play the bridge. I only played the British twice because when it came up, you know, they they would you know, I was, I wasn't gonna take him over there, you know, all the way over

there for that. And you played better in hot weather anyway. Yeah, and so yeah, all my tournaments are in July, all my winds are July and August. So I mean it made it made I feel like the first part of the year. Like some guys played better during different things, I can't. I mean, I'm a hobbit with my back. I mean, I won the tpc A Tampa on the Senior Tour, and I won the l A Open. Those the only two year going to find generally in July

or August, I guess warm. In gathering other voices and perspectives on the Stockton's I interviewed Lanny Watkins, who is in the World Golf Hall of Fame, played with Stockton in the seventy seven Writer Cup and played for him in the Writer Cup at Kiowa. When I say, Dave Stockton, what do you say, ultimate competitor, battler got more out

of his game than probably anyone else. If anything, Dave Stockton was an overachiever and a true friend and a good person guy who always had the best interests of the game at heart. I also spoke to Al Geiberg, Mr. Fifty nine, who has been a longtime friend and partner in various events through the years, and a good example referring back to the CBS Golf Classic, I mean he'd be thirty five ft away, forty ft away. I remember

that A few times. I actually felt he might make it, and I know the opponents did too, So that puts the pressure on them because you know what he's leveled. Um Instead of thinking I was just two potter, and uh, that's how dangerous he was and how I just felt like the CBS Golf Classic, I had the guns and navone on my side with with Dave, I said, now you know why I picked in. Well, that wasn't the reason, but that was my final thing, and everybody was talked about.

Those matches were a good practice for the Writer Cup because David and I played sixty nine, seventy and seventy one on the CBS Golf Classic. I know those who weren't the Ryder Cup, he said, seventy seventy one was his first. Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, Jake, what's your favorite story about your grandfather? Favorite story and the one you've either heard him tell or heard about him or just sort of like being immersed and what I mean, you've probably heard a million of these stories. What's the

one where you're gonna tell your kids? And definitely the Ryder Cups. The Ryder Cup stories wanted like by far my favorite. But it's I love sometimes Golf Channel like they'll like have like a rewatch of old tournaments and

Grandpa will be playing in it. And it's literally my favorite thing in the world to watch you sit down and here like hold on, I just I just don't know, and just watch it because if you can hear the old announcers, you look at the old swing, you see all like the old fashion and then just it's incredible to watch. Is it surreal that HiT's your grandfather? Yeah?

I like looking at him, like when he's way younger, and I'm like, wow, this is so cool and you know enough to know, like for him to say, oh, I was paired with Jack Nicholas in one writer like does that still it's insane? It's pretty nice. And when you think of him as a as a Ryder Cup competitor, what are your thoughts? Well, he was tough. I mean he was tough. Was names Dave stock and hated to lose the fact that he wanted what he did with the I mean, let's let's just let's face let's face facts.

Dave Stockton wasn't the most talented person that ever played golf. Uh we almost laughed sometimes with the ball striking in the way that he could hardly ever stay on balance swinging to the driver. He fell over a lot, kind of like Billy Andrei does today. So it's it's it was always something to see. But no one had a better short game. No one had more belief in themselves than Dave Stockton, didn't. I think that's why you accomplished

so much. When I tell you that it's been fifty years since your first Ryder Cup and thirty years since the Ryder Cup at Kiowa, what do you think the fifty years, thirty years? What do you think about that? It was only yesterday, not very far. I can I can remember. Oh yeah, I mean until you until you see the people, until you realize. I mean, I'll turn eight at the end of this year, and of course I didn't have much distance to lose, and thank god technology kind of keeps you up there kind of near

where you used to. But yeah, it's it's it's been a great life because what what is Kathy? And I mean I was pretty law at SC for one semester and then said to hell with that. I was in no way I was gonna make seven years. Uh, not planning to be a pro golfer or anything, you know. Uh, But gradually USC became a good player. I mean I'd come home on the weekend's work with my dad and you know, I'm not a big city person, and uh I only had one instructor. I didn't you know. I

was always taught. You know, this is like my work ethic that I got from my dad. Okay, I'm gonna out work here, and I'm gonna out thank you. I like my odds, you know. So it's it's been. It's been an unbelievable right, And I gotta tell you since two thousand nine, I always taught on tour. I mean even when I'm playing with people. If I like, if they were friends of mine, if Wi Scott had said anything to me at all, I would have helped him

on tour because I'm watching it's going you know. You know, especially this finger here, I told him, you see my finger turn white. That's exactly what he did every time he grabbed a golf club. And I'm laughing. There's no way he has. They feel his tension, his tension, and so consequently it's just I get the feeling that that the teaching that we did, I mean we had upwards of well we went over two wins in a hurry.

We had fourteen people at one time on the tour we work with and LPJ LPGA players all three of us, and it just it's been, it's been, that's been really enjoyable. That's you know, the whole thing from playing, you know, captain, coaching, all of it. Beautiful life. Yeah, the best, the best. The best has been the teaching because when you play, you have to be selfish, you know, you have to. But I've I've enjoyed the teaching ass and that's why

I always did the corporate outings. Hell, I did American Airlines for forty years of the corporate outings. Yeah, and I love that. I mean I did upwards of eighty days a year. I mean I get more money in two days than I could possibly one in the tournament. You know, you do that on Monday, Tuesday, go to the tournament play. You know. He said, you built your schedule around the corporate outing. Absolutely. The bills, they absolutely,

But he enjoyed doing, enjoys helping people. Well, I've noticed this about you, which is I'm it's now just so cool, but you can't help but teach. I know you can't help teach. Since day one. That way, I was a little kid in Westlake. We'd be at the range hitting balls, and he'd be something. He'd see someone floundering away, and he walked over and he's this is seventies. He's winning tournaments on tour and everybody in Westlake I knew who

he was. And then he walked over to go mind if I say some t and they'd look at him like deer and headlights like sure, you know, and help them with their games. And then he'd go back over and I would watch this as a little kid, only that's so cool. He just wants to give back. He's always done that. So the notion that we started teaching in oh nine and created Stockton Golf and everything else, No, he's been teaching since well. I mean it was just like one of the big ones was Anka around two

thousand or shortly thereafter. I mean we were an Olympic club doing that INGI together, and she asked me to take a look at her, and she had she had won once in a year and a half, and we worked and we you know, she was unique, and she won seventeen times next year and a half. And she still puts that way today. She puts that way today.

Think you helped her? Yeah, I think so too, And then that makes you feel really good, and that's like we're Rory, and I know, you know, most of the stuff with the Rory that I did was mental, you know, and that's you know, Michelson is different. We both work with Michelson and he's different to help because he's going to figure and I like how he did it, because he'd work it around. We'd see him the second day.

You know, he had already figured out that what we told him the day before, and he figured out that he was the one that thought of it. Yeah, as long as he bought him, that's fine. It doesn't make any difference. Shocker. Okay, back to Ryder Cup talk. Here's Cathy again on her memory of the V one Ryder Cup. Gosh, that was our first one in St. Louis. Um, it was very small back then, but a thrill to be on it and not quite the hoop law that it

is today thanks to Dave. But we um, it was gratifying that he actually made, you know, his first Ryder Cup team so um, and that we that we won. So it was it was good. It was a good, good thing. We'll get to the thanks to Dave portion of that clip a little later. She's referencing the cup, but in seventy one. The captain was j Aber. His teammates included Billy Casper, Charles Cooty, Jean Littler, Lee Trevino, Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicholas. My first time all worse

than the seventy one. And I find out that night before I'm playing with Nicholas in Alvernet shot and I have never played a practice round with Their games are polar opposite, and I'm going, okay, And it took on about the fourth and fifth hold. Jack Turnomy says, is this all the farther you can hit it? And I'm going And I looked at me. I said, you're the best player in the world. This as far as I can hit it. If you can just hit it on

the green, I'll make it. But you got you know, But it was not It was not a good bit fault of the captain in my mind, so we got this. The only Writer cup point I've lost it was being my first match with Nicholas. The only Ryder cup point you ever lost was being yeah because because in that But that's went into my strategy. What I did is that if you're doing all are in a shot, you darn well put people together and short short. I read, that's your if you break that pad, if you put

along with a short, you're dead. You're dead. Fine with best ball, but all are in a shot. So they sat me on the You not only sat me Friday afternoon, Jay Bear, they sat me all day Saturday. I didn't show up to Sunday. I played the two single matches on Sunday with a tie and a win. But I was yeah, I played. I played Bernard Gallagher by the Ryder Cup captain who we tied, and I beat Townsend. But but the point point being is that you believe. But he put J. C. Snead with Nicholas. It was perfect.

That is an absolute perfect pairing. Jack looks over. You have other fourth? Is this as far as you can hit it? Yeah? That's when I asked how that feel? It didn't feel good. I couldn't hit it farther. I's trying it as hard as I could hit. It just doesn't happen to go anywhere. There were two singles sessions in the Ryder Cup until nineteen seventy nine. Stockton went one one in one in seventy one, earning his team a point and a half. Here's more from Landy Watkins. Well,

I mean he's just the ultimate competitor. He wants to win, and I mean, you know how much I want to win. I hate losing. I I you know, I really enjoy winning more than anything else. To me. That's what it's always been about with golf. Dave's the same way. I think we're at the same mold a little bit. I wish I'd had a short game, good God, but he is, uh, just a great competitor, very caring um really was into

the whole thing with Ryder Cup matches. We played on a team together in seventy seven and I remember he and Jerry McGee taking down a pretty formidable group the first day, and it was impressive they were. And the funny thing is I played in seventy seven with the guy that that Dave put me with. In ninety one, I played my my first match at seventy seven with Halo Irwin, and then Dave put Halen I together in

alternate shot both rounds and halen I one. Actually we've won all three together before we get to ninety one. Let's hear from Senior on n seventy seven where he went to and oh, I think golf's like a chess match, and I just it was interesting. It's like you mentioned

driving over here. One of the one of my most fun things was playing at Live Them in St Anne's for Finster Walton when I was playing terrible, totally different and I got paired with McGee, Jerry McGee, and and it was probably one of the highlights of my life because here I am the senior member of our twosomes. So, okay, we're gonna play. I don't remember what ball. I may have been playing Hogan or Tylus whatever, but then McGee, being the junior member of this alderness shot, Okay, we

hit the ball similar distance. He's a little bit longer than me, but similar, but he had to use my ball and we start out and literally the first fairway I hit was eighteen, I mean, and we're wearing polyester pants which were really in style and seventy seven. And he looks like he's been in the middle and referee to cat fight because from the knees down they had white roses, low white roses, live them in st ants.

He had strings out his pants this long. I mean, he just platt trying to find my ball, and I'm not going out there. His pants are perfect. My pants are perfect cause Jerry never his pants are ruined. You're perfectly clear because he never missed a fairway. So I mean, I'm not gonna go out there and coach him how to hit out of the rose bushes. And we're two down with we're the leading group out in the matches on on on Friday, and we're two down going into sixteen.

And I had a brilliant drive that I'm in the short short intermediate. I'm not my five feet off the Barrewyers first time I've seen him, and I said, just get it on the green, jare, I'll make it, and he knocks it. I don't know thirty five ft and I hold it and so we win. We're one down with two to go, and we're playing hug It and Dawson and eighteen seventeen eighteen have bunkers s and right in the middle of the fairway and McKee hits it right in the middle of a fairway bunker and their

thirty yards passes. I've got to lay up out of the bunker shorter where their ball is number one day, So I get it out behind him. I said, get it on the green. Now, Jared, no problem, We're still all right. Just get it on there. I'll make it. So he puts it. He puts it and rolls through the green, rolls about fifty ft in the back back portion. They were on twenty five ft. I hold it from fifty and they and they and they three put it.

They three pot it. Now we're even go on to eight team my drive, so I don't do this day. Member which side of the faraway? I missed the bunker? I missed, but I figured, what the hell, I'm dead straight? Is dad and gone there all day? So it's not going there? And he either went left or right, and I was perfect. They never finished the whole. They got one of the bunk, they gotten the bunker, and they never finished the whole. That's what you talk about momentum, right,

And he was sucks that. He looks a little bad. It looks like he had fringe. If you took a portrait of just you guys knees down with you know, the four legs, and you see his pants all torn to shreds and years perfect, that is the perfect, you know, portrait of alternate shot. You don't see that at this point, I asked Junior for his favorite memory of his dad's career.

There's so many, but I would say the one that I was, the one I'm most proud of is him captain in the Ryder Cup in ninety one at Kiowa. And you know, we hadn't one in a few matths, six years, six years, we hadn't one. And there were so many variables, so many changes in that Rider Cup at ninety one. People don't realize the ninety one Ryder Cup was supposed to be played at the stadium course at PGA West and nobody knows that. You asked people that go, I don't know your backyard. That's what I

thought I had it. So when they named Kiwa, it's like whoa okay, and it's not even Bill yet. There was a question if it was gonna be ready for the Ryder Cup. Well, he handled the guys when he he made the two picks he got to pick. He had the ten guys that made the team. He had four choices that he said pick him one to four, who do you want? Because he wanted the total team unit to have everybody on that team to play together and be won one unit, because that's what the Europeans

do so well. So it was chip Beck and Raymond Floyd where the two picks. Raymond was there to take care of Freddie because Freddie was so young. He didn't realize how good he was, is what Dad said. And and then chip Beck was there to for obvious reasons. He's he was one playing great. Then he's so positive. The guy never says anything negative. He's great to have around. I asked Cathy for memories of her role as a

captain's wife. But it was exciting. I mean, it was just craziness and and uh, I've never seen Dave lost a lot of weight through the whole thing. You know, we started two years ahead of time planning the whole thing, and we didn't get the money that uh they have now for things to wear. It was pretty much cut. Wives really never got anything. So the p g A officials wives called me and said, we want to do

something fun. So we picked out T shirts with us a sequence across it, and I had sweaters that looked like the flag. I mean we really had fun with it. And um so anyway, that was the start of finally getting you outfits for the wives and uh to kind of be as a team as well with their husbands. I asked Lanny Watkins for more on Senior as a captain, great captain, really a delight to play for. He and Cathy were fantastic. They left no stone unturned. Uh. He

was trying to get everybody in the mix. I was fortunately played all five matches for him at Kilwa and played well. He made a couple of little uh snaff who's here and there that, But overall I think he was an outstanding captain, did a wonderful job. And uh, you know, I don't think we really enjoyed the celebration. So I could say Watkins went three one in one in winning his singles match on Sunday three and two over Mark James. Meanwhile, Junior was busy playing the role

as assistant captain. You're not You weren't much older than Jake at that time. Two. I had just turned pro six months earlier. And you know, Dad had the guys come in the week prior to the Ryder Cup because he wanted them to play the course a few rounds, because you could play that course six eight times and see a different wind each time, different conditions, and and

the Europeans really didn't come over and play it. They never played a practice until the week of and so that my dad had the guys come over and said, come over and play a few days and you can go home for the weekend to come back on Monday. And they came out and we were there and Dad goes, Junior, go out and play with them. I'm like, yeah, I've been pro six months and here I am playing with these guys. And Zinger was my partner. And you know,

the pain and Paul were two pranksters. They we were all in carts and if you weren't careful, Pain or Paul would go and unhook the strap on the cart. So when you drove off your bag. And these guys are at the time around twenty years old, twenty nine, and I'm like, these guys are the best players and they're just kids. They're just out here messing around having think about the idea that you were an assistant. Can you imagine now, like if if the ryder kept gaping,

would they of his son's assistant captains? And as twenty two, they would be like people would be apoplectic and feel like what the hell is going on? But at this different time, I spoke to John Wardrop, another goat Hill Park loyalist and legend who goes way back with the Stocktons. He was actually at USC was my roommate when he was the captain. So all the guys on the golf team we sat around and watched watched him being captain. We're dying laughing. But what is he doing there? What

does he do? Whether he pulled it off? Man, I think I think his like total like upbeat attitude that Junior is. I mean, if you look at him, he's always got a spot smile on his face, the most positive guy in the room, you know, never down talks poorly about anybody. I think that his energy probably had an influence on those guys, you know, just smiling and being around him and being kind. You know, it's just just his DNA. In Stockton Senior only had two captains picks.

The other two there were in consideration to be in a to be one of our players was Watson and Kite. I would have loved to have the option the Daisinger had in two thousand and eight of having four picks, because I passed on Watson, Kite John Daily right when John Daily wanted Crooked stick that year. The favorites that everybody wanted me to pick, because the picks would have been would have been Daily and Nicholas you passed on daily,

Nicholas Watson and Kite wasn't. Curtis Strange was another one that was just because back he was hopings and I told him, I told no, I told him before. I said, Jesus, well the key the key was. And I told Curtis he had a spot. And then starting about in June, he and I were started talking. I said, I I'm an honor that I told you to have a spot. He says, I'm given a lot of thought. I don't want to take it. He says, I'm not playing well enough.

And this this was was It was huge because four years after mine LANDI picked him because they were in New York and it o Kills where where he won and at the second time and he that's basically I think the reason one of the reason they didn't get it done because there was there were there were four of us that talked all the time, Lannie, Pain and Haisinger. Whenever we were around each other, we talked about the

Ryder Cups, How would we make it better? What would we do In my real aspect, I got Deborah Graham uh Rab Aisinger used Ron Braun as his psychologist, that he profiled his players because and and Aisinger understood it. I mean, you talked to Bubba Watson one voice, but you'd also talked to Tiger Woods in another voice. I mean, you're gonna you can't use the same philosophy. Just okay, this is go get them guys or what are different? People are motivated different ways. So we understood our players

really good. And my job was to get people to fit together. And so what I tried to do earlier in the year, which I still think it is one of the most brilliant moves, is I went to the PGA Tour and we'd have Tuesday shootouts. You're right here in San Diego. I kicked, I took. They let me take control of the Tuesday shootouts. So one Tuesday, I do all earn a shot next Tuesday. At next Tuesday, i'd I'd do best ball. So I right here at

Torrey Pines. I mean I had I had Landy playing I think with Payne one day and I had I had uh well, my two bruins, Chip Beck and corp In Uhn in Peyton Paven getting them to play together so they knew. I did not want to have the scenario of coming to the Ryder Cup and not knowing who they were going to play with chemistry. I want a chemistry, so I want one of my picks. The two of the there were basically out of the ten guys on the team, six or the guys that I

was leaning on. And I told him, I said, Raymond's got the first pick I because I want him to go with couples, because that's a two sting. I can play either way. And I had I had, I had my bruins. Okay, I have Landi and Hale, I've got Pain, I've got all these guys, Calcavecchia, I had a heck of a strong team. And so so the the obvious one in the end was putting Chip Chip with Aisinger.

But what I didn't realize is when when Chip was picked, that's somewhere somebody got to slipped a note in to God or something that Balstros is part of this equation because freaking every match Balstos got against Asinger. More from Landy Watkins, the pod System, the chemistry. You know, Aisinger gets a lot of credit for that, But but isn't Dave part of all that too. We always did that, you know, aising or just you know, went out and put it on social media like hey we got something

brand new. That's that was nothing brand new. We did that from the first Rider couple in seventy seven. Just because he called it a pot system doesn't mean we didn't have guys that we knew who were going to play with. I mean, you know, Paul is always great at pat himself on the back, but uh, you know it was we We always did that. That's what we were successful early on in seventy seven, seventy nine, eight three. I mean, we knew what we were doing and where

we were going. What no one knew was that on Wednesday night, en route tweet party in Charleston and in bad weather, Steve Peate would be injured in a car accident. He and Shannon Paven, Corey Paven's wife, were both taken to the hospital. Paven was released immediately with an elbow injury. Pete received treatment for his ribs. He was out of the Ryder Cup. The thing people don't know too, is we had. He had Paven and Pete, we're going to be playing together every match. And the day that Pete

got hurt, he shot sixties six or seven sixties. No he didn't, he didn't. Maybe see I don't think he had a round over six. He didn't have. He didn't have. He was lower than everybody by four or five shots. He playing better than everyone, and then all of a sudden, he's gone, yeah, I got hitting the limo wreck. So Pete would go into the envelope, which is to say he wouldn't play. And whoever he was paired against in Sunday's singles, they both earned their teams a half a point.

But that wasn't all that Senior was dealing with that week. Ok let's say there's no limo wreck, we're driving the rain a lim wills get there. Okay, you go into this auditorium and if everything in a cool world that had been fine, we got there, as we lived it, we couldn't figure out where our guys were. We couldn't figure out why certain guys were missing. But the show went on, and eventually they talked about the cell phones, right, so they talked about the year. They talked about the

European team, and they give them five minutes. Their team, great team. Now we have the American team. We give the American team twenty minutes. It's just and I'm going, I've worked so hard to have no material on the bulletin ard, you know, And and it had just fired him right up, and I'm going, I don't need this. And then they and then they came out with the clever tagline, the War by the Shore. Perfect. Now I have contributed to that because I've got the camouflage hats

because i like to hunt. That's for hunting. That's for hunting. It wasn't wasn't fring to take anybody off for, you know, but that was the only small things they could tell it. They already got enough going on, and now you got all this other But he put together the barbecue with just the players and their families. That was at no PJ officials, nobody. And in the end they were amazing, right,

the whole sportsmanship of them. And riding the bus we got there, yeah with Paven, Paven being carried on the bus by Woosman because he's so small, I'll just carry him on. Yeah, he said, we only need one seat, two of us, I'll do. You just chuck him on the bus, you know. And we started out by that Tuesday night because nothing else was going on by I said to burn our longer I burned Gallagher. I said, you know, would you like to have dinner tonight just

our team and your team? Provided you don't bring any of your PGA officers or officials, because I'm not inviting any of ours. You'll just be us short spear, whatever you guys want, and we can get together as families. You can bring your family, that's fine. I don't want any officials though, And that's what we did the Tuesdays ship, and it was that's how we started, you know. And then next thing I know, we're at the war by the shore and you know, and you're down at best player.

Oh yeah, playing the best of anybody on the team, and yeah so but but it was it was unbello. But it changed a lot of stuff. It's true times were changing and the rivalry was brewing. There seemed to be Shenanigan's coming from both sides. This is a quick clip in which Paul Broadhurst of Team Europe shares some of his reflections with coughing World you'll hear Sevy by Osterios and Jose Amir accusing Paul Azinger and Chip Beck

of changing balls mid round. Yeah, I was a Kira Island the war on the shore where you know, one or two things happened that perhaps shouldn't have happened beyond the scenes, radio stations ringing us at five in the morning to wake us up, and you know all manner of different things that went on. Balls appearing back on the fairways, compression, I don't think so. What I know that cheap hit a kind of competition or a number of seven that I'm sure and then I'm sure about that. No,

I agree with you. I agree with you that maybe they were in the rough for you know, all of a sudden they appeared on the fairway and just things that niggled the players a little bit. But you know, our team was was made up for five or six superstars of European golf at the time, Lie woos Langer, Nick Fowler, Sevy A Lazabel. In the first two sessions on Friday by a Stereos and Olathalbo beat Aisinger and

back two and one. The Spaniards were unstoppable of all the pairings, and I don't know how it happened three times, and finally finally the fourth time, finally Floyd and Couples got him got and I told Raymond, I said, you know, Balastarios had a terrible cough with with aisinger. You know you might want to mention it to him. And he looked at me, says, yeah, I'll handle that. And you walked right on the first team. I hear you've been coughing a lot of hope. Are you feeling all right?

You gotta taking anything for that? He didn't cough once. You see, I'll give you a reason to cough if I hear that cough something like that. I don't know what they said, but they got it handled. Going into Sunday singles, the score was eight to eight. Now more from the Shore as Junior recalls the final day with everything they went down, with Steve pay getting hurt in the limo accident, everything else. Um, he put two years

of his heart and soul into it. And then it came down to uh the last match with Irwin and Longer and a seven team. We thought they were that Irwin who's going to close it out and win And then We're sitting on the edge of the green. I'm right next to him, and we're both everybody's watching and Dad's watching like this, and Irwin knocks is shot by and mrs the putt coming back. So now they're tired going into the last hole. Here's a rip of voices from that Ryder Cup reflecting on what it meant and

what it came down to. It's Chip Beck, Colin Montgomery, Mark Calcaveciat, Bernard Langer and Paul Broadhurst, anyone that was a big thrust for the American team and the Americans to try to get that cut back and pretty excited. Came down to one put having at to win on the last minute. You could you could times it bout ten and because you don't playing piece of this punt means a bunch to somebody else, and you're playing at

the end. And that's why the precious center times, which was so hard to believe after three days of competition. It came down to the very last group on the very last cream with a man named and our lagger if he makes it europquess if he misses it, the United States WS. I wouldn't want anybody to have to have that partet. You know, I came down the last part from Bernhard and you know I get a good pot.

He just didn't read it right. I made a good put, but it didn't go in, and uh, you know it was down from my theme and all I had to do is make a six foot put. It comes down to to that if somebody's putt goes in or somebody's put goes out, and that's a he missed a night foot put Dan Hill with two the three inches had left or right right. It means to put that everyone hates or for safe. But you know, if you didn't

hold it, it it would have been a hatter, right. Unfortunately missed it and that one that was the whole week. And that's what these riding tops are. And that's why it's so it's such a fabulous comment. We get to eighteen and obviously, sitting there and it comes down to Bernard's putt, and I look at my dad sitting next to me, and his his he's like this, he's got his eyes closed and his head down. He's not watching. And I looked at him and I went, oh my god,

I can't watch. And I think and I just said a little prayer. I said, Lord, my dad's put two years of his life into this and worked so hard. Nothing against Bernard Longer, but really like to see Dad get this w in the USA win and you know, and Longer hit up. He'll tell you today he had a great putt. I thought he made it, you know, and it didn't go in and I jump up and Dad looks up at me, and I yanked him up. I'm glad I didn't pull his shoulder arms out of

his sockets. But you know, that was what he put into that, and being a part of that, and bringing the cup home and me being an assistant captain and my brother Ron being an assistant. He was a family affair, and uh I should have kept notes, but I remember everything like it was yesterday still today, and the stories with the players, um and everything that he did that week. That's my my proudest and memory of what he did.

One more from Haul Broadhurst who went to and oah Kiwa and beat Marco Mera three and one in singles. It was pretty big back then, so I thought. But I mean now you stand on there, and I mean the galleries that go to watch now is incredible. I mean there was a lot of nerves when I first played. To think what it's like for the players nowadays with the grand standards. I mean, it's like it's like the British Open on the first team or even bigger. Perhaps

it's a massive, massive event. It is the pinnacle of your golf career playing the ridical. And again, Lanny Watkins, who's comparing Arriss? How would you like to take today's team and let's go back to our primes and let's put me in and even in Stockton and a singer and Raymond Floyd and Tom Watson and Hailo and Larry Nelson and put us up against these guys. So do

you think he's gonna win? Well? Yeah, But the big difference is you guys used to play like the Euros play today, which is the flag meant more than the name on the back of the jersey. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you were able to put all that aside and it was about winning, and no question, I mean, it galls me to death when I see guys worried about who they're gonna play with. I played

eight Rouder Cups. I never one time asked the captain to play with anybody, And I played five matches a lot. I played with a whole bunch of wide range of players, going from Statler and Wayne Levy to Hail Irwin and Payne Stewart, you know, Marco Mira all the way down. I mean, uh, Larry Nelson, I want all four matches together. One year it was about you know, what can I do to help the captain and the Unfortunately don't take

that approach today asked for senior. He has a positive outlook on this week, Stricker is gonna undo an unbelievable job because Stricker knows he's come up in this President's Cup Ryder Cup thing and they've they're they've got this group of guys together. Yeah, but come on, are you telling me you'd want to go into trying to manage this this team with Brooks and Bryson and all the bullshittery of this. But you've always had that, It's always been there. Sun found out real fast how much it

was there with Michelson and Woods. I mean, I mean that was unbelievable. I mean, he's got the two best players and now he puts them together to win one point if he separates him and puts him with Joe Schmo. Either one of them they can win two points, but oh no, so that he's perfectly satisfied to him lose a point. In other words, you know, like it would be almost like putting Bryson and Brooks together and saying, okay,

go play. I mean, can you imagine doing that, have them play where they're playing their own ball, and and they're trying to beat each other and they probably go out and play well. But not only did he do it once, he did it twice. He was like, my dad was the one that went to you went to Jackie Burke, didn't you can go what to b I flipped out because in that one I went to him.

And I talked to Chris Riley before because I'd watched Chris Riley tie is match on Thursday on Friday on Friday, sorry player by the way, yeah, but just a really need kid first. He's the reason that he and I talked to him. I said, you know, why don't you consider separating the two? You know, why don't you separate the two and put because what I would love to do. I would love to see you put like Chris Riley with Tiger and he looked at me and he said why.

I said, because he's enthusiastic and he really wants to play, and he keeps Tiger loose. It's so I went to and I said, don't be shocked if they asked you to play with Tiger. Tom All. Here's Chris Riley, who's now the head coach of the men's golf team at the University of San Diego. Riley reflects on the role Senior played on that two thousand four team. I mean, for me personally, he was a tremendous help. I mean, I was obviously a rookie in two thousand and four.

It was a veteran squad and he was there and and you know, I was kind of a um, a deer in headlights, so to speak, and didn't really know what to expect. And there was Dave Stockton Senior, who I knew was the ninety one captain at Kiowa, and he kind of took me under his wing, which was really cool. He just told me to relax, enjoy it, and uh, use the best club in my putt in

my bag, which was my putter. So um, you know, I just remember sitting there when Tiger and Phil went out for the first match, and me and Senior were just sitting there watching it in the in the team room area at at Oakland Hills, and and he was just a just a great, great person to talk to and just kind of put me at ease at you know, probably the biggest golf tournament in the world. Micholson and Woods infamously lost the morning round to Monty and Harrington

two and one. They lost the afternoon to Darren Clark and Lee Westwood one up. Here's more from Senior on the potential pairing of Chris Riley with Tiger Woods. What did he say? What? His eyes got bigger in hell? And so he said to me, he said, you know, he said, if you do? And I said, if you do, I got something I want you to you know, I wanted certain things I want you to do. He's just what's that? He says, Well, let's wait till you get it. So he got and he calls me. So I said, okay,

now you guys are playing best ball. He's gonna'll drive you by a hundred miles. I said, I want you to name at the middle of every single green because remember yesterday when you guys tied and you got up on seventeen. You remember the shot you hit and it was a part three. I hadn't talked to him about it. He's the first one up. Penn was on the right

and he left it the right and the bunker. Now his partner's got to play safe because he just he doesn't he's not in play you know where, and doing that, the first guy's gotta get it on the green. So that guy could get it on the green or go for whatever he wants, you know, but you gotta have some thought at it. I said, okay, but now with Tiger, just put in the middle of green. But now don't walk off, don't keep in your own bubble what you normally would. I want you to go right by him

and just say to him, Tiger, can you get inside that? Please? And Tiger, I guess, looked at him the first hole like he was from Mars Riley. Tell him, could you get inside? Get inside that? Come on, Tiger, you can do it. Tiger is the most competitive purses that I've ever met in my life. And you know he's he's right, you know, Michael Jordan has the same kind of fire.

Um And yeah, Senior Dad, tell me he said, just put him the middle of green at the Tiger Fire at Flags and and sure enough we had a we had a great match. Um, like I said, we won four and three and and um you know there's not like winning a mat or on a point in the Ryder Cup or winning a match. And um yeah, I mean Senior gave me so much advice. Um I went one, one and one, and a lot of that was Senior helping me out on how to handle the Ryder Cup as we all know, right, and the Ryder Cup has

one and lost with the putter. And he was one of the best partners of all times, so he knows what he's talking about when it comes to those kind of um. Writer comes. So before we get to further reflections and the Stockton's favorite fire pits, I want to quickly thank our friends at Part Points for their support of this podcast. Part Points is the revolutionary app that gives you and your crew an alternate way of scoring

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Cathy raised two professional golfers and top instructors. Well, I think just shows you know, great parents Dave and Cathy. You know word of their boys, I mean Ronny and and Dave Junior or Joe's outstanding people and uh, they've always been high quality people. They've got a lot of talent. Uh, delightful family to always be around, and in my mind, I think I think they were the first to raddick

up assistance. David had them they're working that week. I took a page from that, had my brother there when I was captain ninety five, So, uh, it was really cool having both his boys. They're enjoy that experience with their dad. I thought, I wish mine had been old enough to do that, you know, but I think it's probably one of the best memories those boys will ever have of doing something, especially with their dad. And Kathy

stalked in on her life captain and teammates. Well, it couldn't be more perfect, no, I I've enjoyed the life. Proud of Dave what he's accomplished, and I hope some day that he might be in the Hall of Fame. Uh, it's a big wish for all of us. And um, he's just uh, it's amazing how he can. He loves the people. He'll give lessons to people, whether they wanted, you know, ask for it, and he gives up his time and uh, he just I'm just so grateful that

we've had the life we've had. I've loved walking the fairways. I'd rather be out there watching him than being home waiting for a phone call. With his career and accomplishments as a player, captain and coach, it seems crazy to me Dave Stockton Senior is not in the World Golf Hall of Fame Outstanding career. He's right on the He's right on the right on the cuff, no question. Uh you know that. It's uh, you know, and I think one thing that goes against Dave and hurts is the

fact that he's not a classic looking player. You know, Dave did it as a grinder, is you know, he was uh in a tough I would put Hubert Green in the same mode as they've stocked in Hubert just one more times on tour if you will. Uh. You know, both won two Majors, and you know, very impressive players and were in contention a lot, so U Dave wanted some great venues. He I know he wanted Riverera. I know he wanted Colonial, he wanted Southern Hills, he wanted Congressional.

I mean to me, you start looking at the venues where Dave Stockton wanted, and that that's very, very impressive, both great putters. I asked Chris Riley if he felt like he in Stockton had similar styles and strategies when it came to playing the game. Get it on the green and the next one might go in. That's how I felt my career. I felt like, if I can just get it on the green, I felt like I can make it. I appreciate the compliment, Mad, but I think I think Senior was a lot better player than

I was. I think you want a couple of majors, and my best was the third out of major. So you know, I don't think he's in the Hall of Fame. He probably should be in the Hall of Fame. Um is it a two time major champion? Um, yeah, so I know he wanted made the p G A maybe twice, I don't know. But he is a Hall of famer in my opinion, and a Hall of Fame person. His son is even just as great. Um, he's been helping out my daughter or third game and there's nothing but

love for this Docktin's owner here with Lan. I also spoke to Diane Stockton Jnr's wife and Jake's mom, who makes some of the best cookies I've ever had in my life. They are a really special family there. They're up there. I mean as far as just the legacy that Dave Sor will leave behind and and all the things that they've done, not just within the golf world, but outside the golf world. They love to give back.

They love people, They love being with people, helping people, Um, sharing all the things that they know about the game of golf and they want to share it. They definitely have that, you know, innate sense of wanting to to help others and to give back for sure. John Wardrop on being Junior's roommate at USC and observing Senior over the years. His dad was the dad. I mean, he was a legend there. You know, all American just played

the tour, won the p G a twice. I mean the guy, and the guy would come and visit with us and give us bunker lessons or putting lessons or wherever we needed off free equipment. I mean, he was just very generous with his time. And I know Junior

just thinks the world of him. I mean, and and and on top of all of that, you know, with these kids that Nicholas and Stockton's, all these kids that come out of you know, being kids of parents who played at the highest level, it's such a an added pressure to try and make it out there very few days. So the senior go on to see Junior go on

and play ten years on the tour is just freaking incredible. Really, I asked John Ashworth, who's the caretaker of god Hill Park, what do thinks when he sees three generations of the Stockton's all teeing it up at his mini municipal. First of all, I'm beaming ear to hear, I'm smiling, I

feel warm and fuzzy. Uh. I love it. Uh. You know it has not that it's become old hat or anything like that, but Junior and his son Jake have been playing up there pretty steady for the last you know, four or five years really, uh so that I'm used to seeing them. And then of course Senior, you know, he's been out there a fair amount in the last year and a half anyway. So yeah, overall, I mean

it's just you know, here's a living legend. Dave Stockton Senior arguably should be in the Hall of Fame, and some day will be, let's hope. So so back to the fire Pit offices, a few days away from the Herdsman and the day they'd all play in a practice round together again. That video is on fire Pit Collective dot com. Here Senior on his expectations going into the weekend and how Hill Captain, his grandson is this weekend

about what what what's about to transpire? Where you're coming in, you're gonna all be there, and you're gonna be playing together, you know, and practice around. Is that the beauty of the game of golf? I think it is. But for me, I'm I'm thinking of Jake probably ten years from now, not necessarily this weekend, because he's still in the learning stage. You know, I'm gonna grind him pretty hard, whether we win or lose. It doesn't make any difference to me.

He's gonna walk out with some ideas. It's going to help him down the road, you know, because I'm not satisfied having I'm glad that he's playing. I know he's got the physical ability, and but he's doing like the story with Junior from Milwaukee, with Junior telling me I hit the wrong shot on a hole, I made a two one. You know, that's kind of what I want him to waken up to realize. Is he's looking at it. I'm already trying to figure out. I know we ride cards.

I'm always I'm already figuring out how much I'm gonna for him to walk because I want him, I want him to slow down. I want him to be That's going to be one of the things, Like the January story. I mean, it's just got a lot to impart, but this is just a small stepping stone. Whether whether I get to do it again or not, I don't know, but it's you know, he's gonna walk away being impressed. That just what what we transpire between us over the

three days. You've already made your point about the emotion around the idea that you're coming into this weekend, and and but isn't isn't that? Isn't that The fact that you guys can all go out and have this experience

together the essence of golf. Absolutely, that's That's what, like you said alluded to earlier, what makes this sport so special is you can have generations go out and play a sport that you love and and have those memories and those those experiences together that you'll never forget, that you'll always have with you knowing that this is going to be happening between your dad and your son. You're gonna be off doing your thing and you might be,

but that's happening regardless, which is so cool. I'll be the first one to ask how they did and curious and hopefully we all end up in the shootout at the end. That's that that would be That's my dream is you and ash and and my partner and I am I'm dad and Jake will be in the shootout. That would be fun. That would be fun. Jake, What's what is it is for you? I mean, I mean, you're probably competitive guy, you want to do great, But

is this for you at your age? The essence of this game is that your is this kind of when you think of golf, you think the idea that I get to go play with my dad and my grandpa and this is kind of a family thing. Yeah. Like I'm extremely excited, like probably the most excited I've ever been to play golf, to be honest, for this weekend. And it's yeah, I'm just really looking forward to getting out there. I just wanted there, And he's like, I want it to happen right now. I want to go

right now, Like I just wanted to start. When your grandpa gets on you and he's coaching you and he's teaching you and he's giving you tips or he's telling you to walk or that that you love that, I love it. Yeah. I always take it and soaks it all in. That's so cool. In the end, it was actually John Worgrop and Scott Nagel who won the Herdsman beating, among others Junior and his partner, Senior and his grandson and of course me and Ashworth. But we end this

podcast with three generations of favorite fire pits. You have a favorite place that you sit around and fire pit or listen to Torris stories or tell stories and doesn't necessarily actually have to be a fire pit, but a place where you tell stories. Yeah. So my friends, actually my best friends. I have American mateo, two best friends from here. Mark just moved out to Philadelphia and at

his old place, we had this fire pit. It was our old fire pit that we gave them and we always put it in the backyard and they they bought his mom bought like three palelets of fire inwood for us. And we've just been like every night we go over to his place because that I can't fire, just hang out and just it's always nice. Yeah. And it's got like a whole view. You can see the lagoon and calls bad right by, um right by yeah yeah, um,

the ocean. Everything, it's medreful. You got a favorite fire pit right there at the goat, Baby, that's the fire mean that that's when the sun setting. After playing the Skins game on Friday, and you grab a lagger from the pro shop and you sit down and you get the firepi going and you get the sun setting. It's one hell of a way to bring in the weekend. You have a favorite fire pit. Yeah, but it would be a toss between Zambia, Manitoba and Alaska anywhere I'm hunting,

good fire pit after a hunt. Yeah, that's hopefully they're opening up Manitoba in ten days, so next year we'll get the we'll get the bear hunt. Now. I just that's what I enjoy. I enjoy being out in the wilderness or on top of a mountain in Alaska where we got our dolls, sheep and the rain, the Wrangle mountains above the Copper River. You're looking down on it forty mile high kid and carrying everything on your back and grizzly country. Yes, that's the next documentary we're gonna

do is Hunting with the Stop. Those are our family trips growing up as a kid. Most families go on vacations and they go to Hawaii or they go to some resort and that, and the mom goes to the fall and the daggoes plays golf. Our family trips were around the world hunting and fishing. You worked to hunt, hunting fish. Yeah, yeah, because I could. I could get in shape, especially during the duck hunting, waiting and stuff,

because you put on weight during the golf season. You after your wife tells you need three meals a day and all this stuff and which you do which you don't. But I I just enjoy getting away. I enjoyed. That's why one of the aspects of dealing with people and teaching them, I asked them what their hobbies are, and

my hobbies are the outdoors where I can. It's funny that you can't picture what you did wrong in in mar Arch, let's say, or April the masters, until you're sitting on a mountaintop in November and all of a sudden, it just comes to you. It comes to you what what you've done wrong and what you need to straighten out. So that's always been my my go to is in I'm you know, looking forward to taking Jacob to Manitoba and uh, just the experience is That's that's what I'm after.

That's you know, the voices get quiet, you get you know, nothing nothing quite like it. Put another log on the fire. Nobody here is get the time. The Americans moved to a fourteen thirteen advantage going to the final pair of the day, all they would need to earn the cut back is a half point and the tension overwhelming Hailer when it's seventeen. For Paul, everything resting now on burnt hard longer, longer for par at seventeen, and so they

would move on to eighteen. All square moments in Ryder Cup history longer with the five ft for par after Irwin had bogey and it was as if all the air on the American coast was let out. A historic US victory regained the Ryder Cup, and some field changed this event forever, turning an event into a gigantic spectacle.