It doesn't really matter. I've I've always said it, and I'll keep saying it. It doesn't matter where the tournament's at. I'm not scared to go anywhere in the world. Um. I just want to play golf, and I want to play in golf tournaments that matter, and golf tournaments that have world ranking points, and golf tournaments that can get me to be one of the best players in the world. So um, that's been my goal since I was four or five years old, and that will continue to be
my goal until I get there. So Hello, this is Alan ship Knuck back from their Fire Drill podcast. We are delighted to be joined Michael Bamberg and I that is joined by Andy Ogletree, who's just coming off a career changing victory on Asian Tour in Egypt, of all places. I mean, it's cool to win a tournament anywhere, but it's like extra cool to win win in Egypt, right like that. That's got to be kind of fun. So, uh, tell us if you're probably still on cloud nine, but
how does it feel to have broken through? Andy? And and most and the biggest question of all is how is this going to change your career? Yeah. I mean it just feels like a huge weight off my shoulders, honestly, because the last year and a half it has kind of just been a spiral of trying to find places to play and trying to find exemptions, and UM, it just feels like I finally have relief because I have somewhere guaranteed to play for the next two and a
half years. Um. This win gives me a full Asian Tour card for the rest of this year, all of next year and for four so I can pick and choose what tournaments I play. UM. I could play regular Asian Tour events, I can play in the National Series. UM. And and that's just all I can wish for right now is to have somewhere guaranteed to play for them two and a half years. That's great, Andy, What was it's Michael Baermberger in Philadelphia. What was it like to
play in Egypt? I imagine you had never probably been there before. Yeah, first time to Egypt. UM, I don't think. I don't think many people go unless you're going to see the pyramids. So I actually did the Pyramids on Wednesday morning. They Asian two or Charter two buses and the whole tournament went. So it was super cool. We had tour guides telling us everything and all the fun facts and uh no, it was super cool. And we
stayed at a great hotel there. Um, it's interesting in Egypt, So they built out these whole cities before they let anyone move there, so we stayed in the city with no people. It was. It was really interesting, but I guess they're bringing people in like twenty at a time. They said they're at twenty percent capacity right now. It's gonna be their new capital. Um they're at right now, and they're gonna hopefully be at a couple of years, they said. So it was. It was really weird. It
was like a ghost town. It was this brand new city, super nice and modern, with no people. Does it feel like Phoenix? What? What does it? What does it feel like? They're you kind of feel like you're in Phoenix. Scottsdale. Um. The golf course was very artificial. All the lakes were bright blue, looked like this cool. It was cool to see, but I mean, the course was perfectly The fairways were probably the nicest fairways I've ever played in my life,
not even not even exaggerating that. So um, super cool, I mean, awesome tournament. I mean that's one of the things that's interesting is young players when they hear about going over to Europe or or to Asia or to any of these far away tours. Yeah. I know there's some apprehension like how how am I going to survive
this exotic landscape? But how do you translate the challenges of maybe, um, obviously jet lag and maintaining a diet and work out schedule it works for you, And then and then take that onto the golf course And I mean, are you able to to kind of calibrate or do you just have to say, hey man, this is all gonna be different and just go with it. Yeah. I
mean I've always been a really good planner. So the first couple of trips, I took a lot of notes and Okay, this is how early I need to be there, and this is how many days I need to have to adjust to the time change, and this is how I'm going to travel. So in America usually use the gyms. Here over there, you don't really know what you're gonna get, so I pretty much travel with my gym. I traveled with foam rollers, bands, all the stuff that I use in my warm up, um to kind of make sure
I have everything that I need. And then um, they have physios on site, so I'm able to work with them. And over the five tournaments working with those people, they've learned my body pretty well. So um, there's really not many challenges other than food and the language barrier. And you basically never leave the hotels because there's always a couple of restaurants there that you can find something. I mean, I eat a lot of Italian because Italian foods pretty universal.
So um, you get some pasta and call it a night. Any what did you do for a caddy over there? I've been taking locals, but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna get somebody traveling with me full time now that well, that membership has its privileges, right, I mean, yeah, it's gonna be great just to have some money every week and be able to actually do it. I mean I've been I've been taking locals and they don't really speak any English, so I've just had someone carrying the bag
for the first five basically. Yeah. So let's drill down a little bit more on on the career advancement here. So play the Asian Tours. We know that it's getting a big influx already has and it's going to continue get a big influx of money from Live Golf. Yeah, the persons are going up, the fields are getting deeper. There's gonna be more world ranking points than probably ever
in the history of that tour. I mean, are you satisfied to make to make Asia your home tour for turn a half years or do you still have designs on either Live Golf or even the PGA Tour. Yeah, So, I mean I obviously want to play either live on the PGA Tour, but the Asian Tour is a great place to start for me because it just gives me that guaranteed place to play. I mean, I'll still probably try to do some mondays Um for PGA Tour events this coming year when they work in my schedule and
stuff like that. So I'm trying to try to go at it both ways, to go at it from the PGA Tour side and go at it from the lip side. I'm getting ready to go to Indonesia in a week and a half, so um it'll be the last Asian two international series of end of the year, and I think if I win, I have a chance to win the Order of Merit on the International Series is what we've kind of figured out. So um that's the goal.
And if I win the Order of Merit on the International Series, that gets you a live card for next year or so that would be the route back. And that's a key point because we we've talked, we've talked about in the first time around this podcast, and we've gone over but not every golf fan realizes that live is not a closed shop. It's not invitation only. There are avenues to play your way. There's been guys do
it all year. So um, this year it was top three players on the current Order of Merit of International Series played all the events. So like the guys like Scott Vincent and she wanted Kim and um so nom. I don't know Saddam's last name, but uh, there's been a lot of guys play a lot of live events through the Asian two International Series Order of Merit. And you you grew up in in Mississippi, live in Atlanta. Uh, you've been in the United States mos your life. What
does in your travels? What does the American golf fan not understand about what this live series is all about Yeah. Uh, I mean that's a loaded question. I think there's a lot of stuff that people don't really understand and gather. But um, the biggest thing I found is they just don't really understand how great these events are and how
excited people are to be there. Um. I think people thought that they wouldn't get a lot of crowds, and early on they weren't selling a lot of tickets and that was all the things you were here in America. But when you get to the tournaments, I mean there's tons of people there. People are really excited to see it. Um. They really is like a new a new version of golf. It's very different than the standard. Um be quiet and
quiet with the collapse and no one talking. And I mean there's a concert as soon as the last part goes in on eighteen. Everyone goes to the fan village and there's a concert by a famous performer every night. So it's kind of like a circus, traveling circus to play the live tour. It's uh, it's a lot of different than PGA two events. Also because everyone stays at the same hotel and everything's paid for by the tour,
so they're paying for all your travel. They're paying for all the hotels, personal drivers for the week, shups at the hotel. I mean, everyone's kind of all inclusive. Everyone stays at the same place and hangs out. There's live you know, rooms for families and kid rooms at the hotel, and I don't know, it's just a lot, a lot different vibe than I think people realize. And you you
just want to seventy two whole event. You played with tiger Woods for two rounds and made a cut in a master's As an amateur, I watched thirty six year holds. It was astounding, as of course you know, and and our listeners who know the live for now it's a fifty four whole events. There's a lot of discussion as to what they look at ranking points. Um, could you imagine a scenario where Live expans from fifty four to
seventy two? Are you talking about holes played or players or could these live events that are now fifty or par whole events could if that was the stumbling block to them get to live series getting world ranking points, could you imagine expanding to sewo I think they'll do whatever they whatever they have to do at the end of the day to give world ranking points. Um, that's the literally only thing holding them back right now. So I think whatever they have to do to get those
world ranking points is what they'll have to do. Yeah, I agree with that. You said earlier that you're thinking about doing some some mondays on the PG Tour, and you know, some of the listeners probably remember that when you played the London event you were suspended by the tour, But unlike some of these other guys who were actual members of the tour, you did not have a card, and therefore the suspension really is only going to go
to the end of this year. Correct? And then is your understanding that you have you have total access to sponsors, exemptions, mondays, and any other way you can clete your way onto the PG Tour. I understanding is my my ban is completely completely over starting January one of next year. So, um, I'm under the understanding that I can go to Monday, I can receive a sponsor invite, I can do do
whatever unless something changes between now and them. I mean that sets up some obviously very interesting hypotheticals, right like if I don't, I don't. I'm not sure if you're an Asian to remember. I need to check on this, But if you're an Asian to remember, I don't know if you have to do prequel are the pre cuse for the Mondays. So that's another interesting thing that might have come from getting status in the Asian Tour. I don't know if that gives you anything or any ability
to not have to do the pre cuse. But that's the only thing that is awful for the Monday qualifiers next year is I'll have to go on Wednesday, play a practice round for the pre qualifier, and then play the Monday. So it's gonna be a weeklong process to play Monday. Yeah, no, getting that would be huge if you could. If you could skip the pre cues. Um, if you play another live event going forward, then are you back and are you out again? Like how is
that going to work? I have no idea because I'm not a The reason that I was suspended last time is because I was a member of the corn Ferry Tour. But I'm not a member anymore because I didn't get to go to Q school this year, So I don't know how I could be suspended further. But we'll see. Like an animal House, double secret probation, like that's that's what I'm I'm curious about the guys like the James Piots and the David Poge and those guys that never
had status on any tour. I'm curious what they could do. I don't know any how has golf changed for you not playing in glasses anymore? Yeah, it's a little different. I'm playing sunglasses now. I had lasi um dr wouldn't up in Washington, d C. I flew up and had had lastick with him. It was great, everything went well, But I have kind of dry eyes anyway, so sunglasses helped me and I'm able to see the ball a little bit better. So I've never been able to wear sunglasses.
I'm taking full advantage of that. Now. Did you compare notes with Tiger at all about about playing with glasses and without? No, But it's the same doctor that he used so very very renowned. Is there is there like a ten percent off discount if you're a professional golfer, Like this is just Michael not. He wants to hear about you know, your glasses and the and the food
in in Egypt. And I'm really super hyper focused on what this all means in the larger scheme of professional golf because you are you are in this really unique position anyway, You're kind of you You're like the canary in the coal mine, like how the tour deals with you, and it could have ramifications for a lot of other players.
So I'm amazed you haven't had much contact with the tour. Um, you know, I would think that that, you know, it just sounds like you're still learning as you go, Like what this means, We're all we're all learning every day, you know what I mean. It's obviously a new territory and no one really knows what's going to happen. So um then as hasn't been done before, so we'll just keep playing about here and taking it as it comes. All right, Well, let's put you on the hots here.
So you you you want to qualify on a wet you know, early in the season, you play well, you you finished type for ninth. Now you can play the next tour event. But there's there's a live event where you you've gotten yourself into and the powers that we make it clear you know that this is the fork in the road you got You're either fish or foul. You gotta you gotta pick your metaphor. You gotta make a choice here, like what do you do? I don't know.
I'm probably calling Mac Barnhart say, I don't know, man, that'd be tough, but it'd be It'd be a good problem to have, it, would it would? What what did you find in your game that that that helped you? Um, you know, go to this next level in Egypt? You know we talked in your previous pot about some injuries and some swing changes, and you've had a run of bad luck. But what what got you across the line? Oh? Alan, it is the floor now open to golf question. Okay, now, okay,
whatever you want, Michael, go for it. Yeah, my body's come a long way. Um. So when I played the event, that first Asian Tour event I played was at Slately Hall. It was the International Series the week before I live, and my body was awful. My back was hurting. Wasn't really happy to be of course, because I wasn't able to swing like I wanted to and I had a chance to win in Korea. So getting back into contention again, feeling those juices, I learned a lot from that experience.
I kind of blew a lead on the back now and there um had a chance to win and then messed it up, And so I learned a lot from that. You know that that helped me coming down the stretch. And that's cool. How did you celebrate on after the win? I took all the boys to dinner, So all the Americans that were with us, we all went to dinner. And I guess that's our ever wins that wins the event takes everybody out to dinner. Nice. That'll be our tradition over there. And he you had to you've dug
deep in your young life. You want you want to hear a shocker aland this young man is twenty four years old. It feels like we've known him forever. But time slowed during the pandemic, and you had to wait a long time to play in that Masters. And and also it's some other things. Where did you a lot of people might have just hung it up, uh and done something else? Uh? Where did you find the strength to uh to to really stay at it and and and rise to the level where you are right now.
I love playing golf, I love competing. I love everything about golf. And it doesn't really matter. I've I've always said it, and I'll keep saying it. It doesn't matter where the tournament's at. I'm not scared to go anywhere in the world. Um. I just want to play golf, and I want to play in golf tournaments that matter, and golf tournaments that have world ranking points, and golf tournaments that can get me to be one of the
best players in the world. So, um, that's been my goal since I was four or five years old, and that will continue to be my goal until I get there. So um that's that's my only focus. And um, I never lost confidence. I knew my good golf was still really good. I just I was not able to play golf like I wanted to because my body was not
in a good place. So now that my body is now, I get to really see, uh see where my game's out and and just what do you take from that that hold experience out Augusta with Tiger Woods for those in no, no, and he played two rounds with the Tiger and made the cut. What you know now a couple of years later, what do you take from that experience? Yeah, I mean I remember just the nerves that I had before I tied that up and Um, there were actually
a lot less than I expected. I kinda I made it such a big deal in my head, and UM kind of amped up so much that I felt like when I got to the first tea I was kind of calm, and once I hit the tea shot, even though I didn't get off to a great start, my mind was not just like into the shots, but um, I felt like my body reacted better than I thought it would, and I just I've kind of taken that further in my career that coming on the back nine of the Asian Tour International Series of it that I
just won. I mean I had had a friend tell me once, uh, no matter how nervous you are, you're still gonna make contact with the ball, go hit it and find it. So I mean that's kind of the mindset I'll play with, is like, Yeah, I mean, my my hands may be shaking, I might be nervous, I might be thinking bad thoughts or whatever people think are
bad thoughts. But um, I've done a lot of work with sports psychologists throughout the years, and I've learned a lot from from a lot of different people, and I'll just take tidbits from from everyone and trying to piece together what works for me, and um, I'll keep trying to do that for for the rest of my career and just trying to get a little better every day and every tournament and just keep building into and hopefully what's to come. I love that. Padrick Harrington told me
one time. He said, you know what I learned is there's not an infinite nervousness, like there's only you can only get maximum nerves. And and then you realize it's not that much different on back nine and you're trying to win an Open championship as it was on Thursday, and you're trying to make the cut or Friday or whatever it is. And he said, it's just that was a huge relief to him when he realized he knew what it felt like. Thing that like everyone else is
feeling the same thing. It's not like you're bad or weak because you feel nervous, like everyone feels the same thing. Some people are just a lot better at hand and embrace and others and yeah, that's what I mean. Tiger said a lot about that. Tiger says was never He'll never play a tournament unless he has butterflies. When he tease it up on Thursdays, right, So I mean there has been some events this past year that I had had no butterflies on Thursday because I was playing so
bad it I wasn't not gonna wait all tournaments. So it's great to be back in a place where I am feeling nervous. I'm so thankful to feel nerves. And uh, my my coach in college always said, you know, if you're if you're feeling nervous, if you're anxious, something goods happening, So embrace that and run towards it versus you know, being afraid of that. So I've never never been afraid of of nerves and pressure, and I've always actually played
better when when I'm under the gun. That's really neat um. And speaking of sports a colleges, I think you talked to one on almost daily basis, even though he doesn't have the degree. A friend of Allen's in mind, Mac partnhark uh what what what kind of role does Mac play in your life? And and tell our audience please if you would a little bit about Mac for those who wouldn't know him. Ac is listed as my agent, but I think he's more of a life coach. He's he's seen this for so long, and I mean he's
been around the game for thirty plus years. So, um, I think all the advice I can get from him, and I picked his brain a lot and call him and ask him his opinion, because I really trust um all that he's seen and and he just has a really good perception of how life works. And uh, I think I wouldn't have made it through this downward fall that I've had without Mac telling me that, telling me I'm still great at golf and telling me that I'm
going to get there. And you know, He's always been that positive reassurance for me, and UM, I definitely owe him a lot for for getting back to a place where I'm playing good golf again. And you know, Max been on some of our Fire Drill podcasts and I invited him to be on this one and he said no, I just kind of want Andy to have the spotlight, which I thought was cute because some of the agents, you know, they want to they want to give out the first hug on on the green, and they want
to be in the background of every interview. So I would be remiss. Our our colleague Ryan French Monday que Info. He want to be part of this podcast. He couldn't make it for scheduling reasons, but he texted me and said, ask ask anybody's hurt about Monday Qualifiers on Live next year. You know this has been there's been a lot of talk about this. Do you have any any usable intel? As they say, that would be great for him? He even love that one man. Yeah, have you heard any
buzz about that? Andy wouldn't be able to handle it because if you qualify, you're guaranteed to get twenty k. I mean, it becomes the most lucrative Monday qualifying ever. Right. I don't know if people are gonna flout Australia to play Monday Qualifier. They might, they might, But are you hearing that that's gonna happen? I haven't heard that. No, Yeah, sorry, Ryan, we try and that'd be cool, it really cool. No,
I've been I've been hearing. I've been hearing a lot of buzz about that, because again, in the ongoing attempts to get world ranking points, last year, they let the current order of merit on the Asians who are into the events. So if you were fourth on the list going into one of the events, then you didn't get in. But if you, you know, finished second the next Asian who are International Series and moved up to third on the order of merit, then you got in the next
live events. So it kind of wasn't Monday qualifying away because the current order of merit was getting into all the events. So I don't know if they'll keep that going next year, but I think it was really cool how they did that this year. Yeah, for the listeners who may not not understand, how would you define the relationship between the International Series and Asian Tour. Yeah, so the International Series is like the elevated purses and a
little bit smaller. I think some of them are smaller fields and Asian Tour events I could be wrong there, but usually add twenty people and there backed by um Lift Golf. So the persons this year between one and a half and two million. There was seven events out of the I don't know how many events. The Asian Tour has probably twenty five. So they're just these elevated events kind of like the w gcs are the invitationals
of the PGA Tour. Um how they are affiliated with the tour, but it's a different category of exemptions to get in. Yeah, and next year I think that the International series persons are gonna go to three million, right or even three five. So these some that are three, I think most are going to be two to three.
So as you, as you've had this sort of unlikely role as this this this pioneer across the vast landscape professional golfer, are you getting more questions now from from young Americans about how all this works going always asked me, like what's going on with Live and what's going on with the Asian Tour? And I just think it's a may eason to me how little people know in America about the Asian Tour and all the other tours across
the world. I mean, I've learned a lot about the PGA Tour, are the Japanese Tour and the Korean Tour and the Asian Tour, and there's the Minto Tour now that we've found, and I just think there's and Sunshine Tour and Challenge Tour, Like there's so many places to play in the world. And I've become friends with a lot of these guys in the Asian Tour, and I mean they hold cards on three or four different tours. So um, there's a lot of guys out there that
play forty events a year across the world. So um, I just think Americans get so stuck into this, like you have to go to corn Ferry Q School and then you have to go if you don't get through that, then you have to go to PGA Tour Canada, and then if you don't get through that, then you have to go to Latin America to have to get to the corn Ferry Tour because that's the only routes to
the PGA Tour. So um, I think it's really interesting that if you don't make it through HU school, there are a lot of other opportunities to make a great living playing golf. I mean, there's a lot of people making over a million dollars a year playing golf, and um, you're definitely not doing that playing Monday qualifiers and many
tour events in America. So I think people just really need to open up to the idea that there's a big world out there and if you if you're willing to travel and um, willing to do some hard things, and you can you can make it a lot of different places. How and this this young man is a good spokesman for his tour, isn't he? Yeah? That was that was very, very very impressive, and the wondering have you were you able to spend any time with Greg Norman and if so, what are what are your impressions
of him? Yeah, he was really nice to me. Um. We did some emailing before the first event, Um talked a lot, and then the first event he came up to me and he was like, hey, man, I know you've you've been struggling. I've seen you in the pt room every day. He was like, just go out there
and give it your best. And I thought that was super nice that you can took the time it was at the welcome party, took the time to come over and speak to me and and give me that that little pep talk, because Um, I was worried and you know, I I was kind of embarrassed because of how I was playing, and Um, for him to come up and embrace me like that was super great. And then he sent me a nice note congratulations after I want in Asia. So that was really nice of him and I really
appreciated that. I mean, it takes a certain amount of bravery to admit that you're embarrassed by your score, right. I mean that a lot a lot of pro athletes, a lot of pro golfers won't go there. But I mean that that's real emotion. And um, I guess I'm you know, if we can project fifteen years from now and you've had a very long, prosperous career, Andy, wherever you just wind up playing, what do you think this little stretch will have have meant to you and your development,
everything you've gone through and now not winning. You know, I just think I'll look back to this moment as like getting through a rough period, right, because I had
I did. I had a lot go wrong. I mean you look at turning pro and COVID and you know, turning pro at the wrong time, and then having hip surgery and then kind of all the residual effects that I had from that surgery, and um getting the final stage and I had a pulled muscle in my elbow that week, which is like a super fluke thing, And I mean, all these things just kept happening, and it felt like I had the wind in my face for such a long time that I was able to get
through that and finally get to the top of the mountain, so to speak, and go down the other side, which is what I'm what I'm hoping to do now. So, um, you never know, golf. I mean, anything can happen in golf. I could. I could go back to the other side of the mountain tomorrow. But um, it feels like I finally kind of made it over the crest. That's awesome. I love it. That seems like the right place to end this conversation. But I was joking, but I wasn't joking.
I mean, I think we'll try and do this again at the right moment, because, um, you know, you've I think golf fans are learning a lot through your story, and I think it's I think it's really cool people are able to be exposed to the Asian tour and all the things that people are doing over there because this it's such a different lifestyle, and I want to be I want to be active on social media and kind of show people all the all the things that
are possible if you're willing to travel and try new things. So I've tried to eat a lot of different food. I've tried to take in the local cultures. I've tried to see all the local attractions that tourists do, and UM, I don't know. I think it's super cool to be twenty four and travel in the world and playing golf and doing what I love. So I'm like, I'm in a good place and we'll see what and you do happen to know what happened to your world golf ranking
as as it relates to winning in Egypt. Yeah, so that's a that's an interesting topic. Is something I want to talk about. Actually, because I've attracted my attempt to end the podcast, continue please, UM. I was looking at the world rankings and I got four and a half
points for winning, which is great. But I looked at Scott Vincent's world ranking and Scott Vincen's top one hund in the world right now, and when he at Slately Hall the first of it, it of the year before people really knew that the International Series was part of Live and before um it was gonna be the qualifying
tour for Live. Scott Vincent got sixteen points for winning that tournament, and then all of a sudden they redid the the structure of the Asian Tour um official World Golf Ranking points and I got four and a half for winning now, so um, it's almost the fourth of what it was before. But I mean it's still great. It gives me I went from hundred in the world to eight hundreds, so um, I think, uh, it's great.
But there's there's no way you can ever get to you know, top fifty, top whatever in the world if you're if you're only getting four and a half for winning a strong tournament. Part of me and I for not doing this. What what is the reference where Asian Tour wins quartered in terms of value in a Yeah, I was not aware that. Yeah. I mean they basically the the world ranking periodically overhauls it how it does the math. This has been going on forever. There's always
been squawking about this, that or the other. But the new changes definitely hurt um certain tours and certain events, and it seems it seems Asia took a big hit. Patrick Reed came out and said that, oh man, we're just gonna come play these Asian Tour events to keep our world ranking up, and um, the next week the rank redone. So maybe coincidence, but I don't think it is.
I'm surprised that that's not a bigger story because you would think just on the basic logic of it, as the fields improvement quality, you would think it would go the other way, not one thing. It almost sounds Michael like, you're right, you're writing a legal brief that could be introduced as an opening statement in a court of lot at some point. Um, it could be I think it, Yeah, Alan, Alan, Aside from you and Bob Harrick, are there are there
too many of our colleagues know about this? It sounds yeah, It's been a talking point, Michael, And I think it feels somewhat inevitable that unless something changes quick, there is going to be a lawsuit between Live and or the Asian Tour against the world ranking governing body. And it's probably gonna get be filed in the UK, which seems
to be a lot more friendly to those arguments. And so um, you know this, this has been bubbling up, um and when you know the as Andy very succinctly summarized, it's, um, it's countertuitive. If a tour is getting stronger, it should be getting more points, not less. And so um, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens for sure. Yeah,
I'm I'm intrigued. I'm sure you are. I mean, part of part of the part of the appeal, of course of the Masters over the years, was there were you know, long before Tiger Woods, there was always a Tiger Wood Zori, Greg and Norman of some tour you didn't know much about, and come in April, this guy would show up, you know, one of the Ozaki brothers or whomever it might. That might not be the best example, but somebody you didn't know.
And it's just weird to think that you could be the Tiger Woods and Asian Tour and not play your way into the Masters. I play with some guys that are super impressive. I'm like, man, there's there's good players everywhere. It's not just not just in America, that's for sure. Well, this conversation shows me on how you have to really keep an open mind about everything that's going on in golf now, and you can't just go on the information you already have. You got to be open to learning
new things. I'm really glad to have this conversation that I had no idea that last part or any of Vandy story. Really, it's terrific to know I've got I've got all my friends, uh signing up for Asian Tour Key School, so I need I need some bodies over there. Yeah. Well, and and by the way, the first time ever they're doing Asian Tour Q School in the US. I mean it just shows you how all the walls are coming down.
And yeah, I'm hearing there's rumors of there might be a couple of international series even in America next year, So fingers crossed for that. I would love to love to flop three hours to an event. That sounds awesome. I mean, that's cool. You're going Indonesia like that, That's that's near the top of my bucket list. I've I've been to a lot of places, but people love Indonesia. I think you have a great time there. It's pretty funny if you google farthest place from me in the
world right now where I'm sitting is Indonesia. What is what is your what is your route by airport? How are you gonna get there? Looking at it right now, um, we're trying to figure it out. It's like do you go east or do you go west? That so I think we'll probably got a soul of Korea and then go from there. It's like fifteen direct to Soul and
then like another seven or eight man. Yeah, I'm flying to Melbourne next month and that's I think fifteen or sixteen NonStop international series is starting in Australia, so that'd be cool. I've never been Australia off all the continents for me playing golf. Yeah, you're gonna love it. You're
the courses down there are spectacular. Like I've been having this debate with people, especially around Melbourne, like from the West Coast, it's almost the same trip to get to Melbourne as it is to get to to Dublin or to get to you know, uh, Edinburgh. And I think if I think if you go to Australia, you might get the best golf experience of all of them. So you're gonna m fast. And I've always liked that kind
of golf. So cool. That's killing all right, Well, this is uh we set out to educate the golf fans. Turns out we've educated Michael Bamberger and myself along the way. So thank you for your golf fans. So we are at our core. We are Yeah, this is this is a good stuff. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Andy, really appreciate it. Yeah, let's do something, make some more noise,
and we'll have you back on. We'll keep this conversation going, so keep keep the putter hot, keep all right, good stuff, thanks again, thank you, all right he yes,