Fire Drill 057: Geoff Ogilvy Previews the SandBelt Invitational

to talk about the coolest event in golf. I guess it's up there with a wishbone brawl we'll call him one in one A but the Sand Belt Classic, which Jeff is the host of and it was his inspired idea. I will be traveling down there with a couple of other Fire Pits. Staff is Colton Neddler, Benny Westcott. We're gonna We're gonna blow out. The cover is super excited to be there. I love the city of Melbourne, I love the Sound Belt golf courses. So we just want

to preview this this great tournament, get folks excited about it. Jeff, can you talk about what's gonna be new this year in the second annual Playing of the sand Belt Imitational. We're playing four courses four days, so Kingson heath Royal, Melbourne, Yara, Yara and Peninsula Kings would the only difference in the courses that we play the North course at Peninsula Kings of this year, not the South course. Um. Someone say that's an upgrade. I think it's just to move sideways.

They're both amazing, so I think it's gonna be fun. Um it's a bit more dramatic to look at the north So that's gonna be good. UM, a little bit better field. I guess Cam Davis is coming to play, which is pretty cool. Presidents Cup player UM, and a bunch of other kids that the kids have been lobbying as, Oh, you have to get in the tournament, which is pretty cool. Um. The parent parents are calling us and um, coaches are calling us and now, so that's gonna be really good.

We haven't really Uh, we've just elevated all the little things, you know, a bit like you mentioned the wishbone before. Every time that happens, it seems like it just gets a little bit better around the edges. You know. The concept has always been the winner, and I think the concept of the sound belts the winner. Um, just elevating it.

Better balls on the range, yeah, his books, better food in the clubhouse for them, like a bit more of an organized sort of system pre tournament registration where they all turn up a couple of days before, but like we do it Pebble, you know, a tournament, a normal tour event. We'll register and they all get their books and all that stuff and they're good. Eas We've got a little goodie packs for everybody who plays, and shirts for all the volunteers and UM links all of course. Um, yeah,

it's gonna be good. Just elevate all those little bits to make it feel just a bit more sort of polished, I guess. But the concept I think is the winner. I mean, you play four of the best courses in a row, four days in a row, with really good players, with people who just love playing golf and want to be competitive. I think it's a pretty good recipe. Yeah,

for sure. And you know, in fairness, last year, this it came together very quickly and you were kind of building the plane as you were flying it, so, um, you know, having an extra year to tide you up to details was no doubt helpful. But there is gonna be a team element this year, right, Can you talk us through that? Um, there is a team element. Um. Yeah, we just thought we just had a bit of interest. I mean, we're not trying to obviously copy that other

thing that's going on. Clearly, Uh, there's interest in team golf. Everyone when they go play, they play for everyone. When I go play at home and they play four balls, um. Roader Cup President scout for the best events in golf. Um, well outside of the sand Belt in the wish time.

Like you said, UM, I don't know, it's just getting four people and it's just it's just a combined score and we're paying out sort of the best team for the week, combination of like men, women, pros and amateurs in a team, um, and just sort of their aggregate schools all added up and how they do for the week. So it gives maybe some of the players who aren't having the best week, um, a chance to sort of have something to play for on Sunday, you know, which

I think is pretty exciting. I think sometimes seventy two whole tournaments get a bit boring for about the field in the last round. And also I think it gives a chance for the young kids to play with the pros and be a part of the whole thing. And um, and and pros team up together, and yeah it will be I think it's really really it's a cool element. And I'm I'm big on team golf. I think we play way too much individual golf. Um, don't get me started on too much stroke play. But that's a different

that's a different discussion. But um, yeah, I think we just added a team element where just just a few just this there's is more interest on Sunday or that's not going to be some day on the on the fourth round, you know, and more things to follow, and everyone gets a chance, it gets a chance to sort of have two things to win, you know. Jeff Jack, Jack Nicholas has played his own or did play in his own tournament for years. Of course Bobby Jones did

as well. Jack with more success than Bob. But what's it like for you to play in your own event. You've got so many administrative things to take care of and now you're trying to get a ball in the hall. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. It's interesting. I mean, last year I couldn't really focus too much on the Gulf which is it's amazing to me that Jack, I mean Jack one memorial a couple of times, didn't he I think,

which is incredible. I mean you can think of one more. Um. I guess he had such a team around him by the end that but after a while that he just he didn't have to do so much, you know. But yeah, it's difficult. It's gonna be fun though. I mean I like the courses. I obviously get you get inspired to play, and we've just played a pretty cool Australian Open at

Kingson Nathan Victoria. UM and having a scorecard in your pocket around the sound belt is pretty It's amazing how the same, there's something about the sound belt that just it comes into its own when you've got a scorecard in your pocket you're playing seventy two half to play, because it's just every mistake gets amplified, but every great

thing gets amplified. I mean you can make a string of six parts in around and be really really happy with that, um, and then you can make a couple of eagles really quick because it's kind of short, so it's it's got a bit of that sort of Augusta scoring side of things where it's really really difficult. But the opportunities when they present there there, and they're really good ones. So um, it's gonna be fun for different days.

Hopefully I can play well. I mean I didn't play very well in Australian Open, but I played okay the week before, so the golf is okay. But we'll we'll, we'll see. It's more about I just I'm probably just going to be making sure everyone has a good time and hopefully I can have a good score and not not let my score affect how much fine I have, which is hard to do. You have such a keen student of links golf, I've always sort of wanted to ask us because they've never had the right person ask.

It seems like links golf is built for match play, and here you are having stroke play events. Of course, it happens every year at the Open Championship, but do you feel that at all? Do you feel like links golf lends itself more naturally to match player than strut play. I mean, I'll controversial here a little bit, maybe, but I think golf lends itself to match play. To be honest, um, I think it's a far more interesting opponent having another

person as an opponent. Stroke play, you're the opponent, you're your own opponent. You beat yourself up your whole life, basically trying to be better than who you are, which obviously you can't be. Um it's the most frustrating sport possible. But batch play, all of a sudden you have great fun, you know, because you're playing against your mates, and um it gets ultracompetitive and then you have a beer afterwards or a coke or whatever you want to do. UM.

I find matchplay infinitely more interesting than stroke play. UM. I think stroke plays a great thing to say, maybe find out the best players in the world, and it's it's it's a great test of golf to play seventy dollars around or Gust or the Old Course or Oakmont or Pine Ers or Ray Melbourne or I mean, it's a fantastic sort of started golf. But if I was not a professional golfer, I would only ever played match play for sure. I think it's just way more fun.

So I think we should have more match play tournaments, but it clearly hasn't worked. So UM. I mean, look at the President's Cup and the Right Car. I mean, they are just that is golf at its highest level. I think when you watch those things so um, and you're right links golf. I think the better the golf course, the more it suits the game of golf in general. And I think match play is probably a better version of golf. So ah um links, a better course would

do that better. I guess yeah. I mean, Michael and I have had plenty of spirited matches through the years, and many holes have been one with a bogeye double bogueie. It gives you a reason to keep living when you're in a match, and um, instead of just like bumming out, I'm not going to break eighty, I'm not gonna break ninety or what ever. It is like that goes out the window. Yeah, and you can give it. You can give the two You don't have to put the two

photos if you don't want. Um, it's just it's a more pleasant experience. I mean, when you're playing stroke play golf just even anybody, but the handicapped thing baffles me a little bit. You are basically trying to compare yourself against every golfer in the world. Ever, every time you play it, Like, what a measurable sort of thing to try to do there. You know, um, way more fun to just give. You have a bit of banter with your friend and you know you may you hit it

out of bounds. Let's just go the next you know, you both got three fotos that you don't really like. Let's just go the next match player. You can play the golf that you want to play. You know, you're not dictated to the um restrictions of having to compet yourself against every other golfer in the world that day. So yeah, I mean, look, it's a strug play has its place absolutely to find the best player, but I think match plays more fun and you you literally don't

have to get the ball in the whole. You could just if you enough, you just pick up, which of course everybody knows. But I mean this in the context of the golf course doesn't have to be so perfect. You sort of need a perfect golf course for seventy holds a stroke play because guys do have to be able to finish the whole. If you've got crazy wind or crazy course or crazy anything, you kind of can't really do it. So match places like here's the course.

If this hole doesn't work out, just you know, start again. On the next So it's just it's less perfection oriented. Of course, Augustin National has had so much to do with our obsession with you know, what constitutes a perfect golf course. But I think we're I think you, Jeff, and we are onto something in this conversation about why match play and links seaside golf is superior. Yeah, no,

I I agree. Let's talk about the sand bell invitation, although um, just kidding, it's just the sand bill or what run down the four again too, I knew what were the other two? So Round one ks and Role Melbourne West Course Yara Yarra, which is probably unheard of from outside of Australia, but it's right next door to Kingston Heath and Commonwealth and um right in the same it's in the sand belt and it's a great course,

fantastic greens. It's sort of hard to stand out on the sand belt members a bit like Quaker or something next to Wingfoot. You've just got no chance, right, Um, it's it's just a brilliant course. And then Peninsula Kings with West Sorry West Course, North Course and Pentinicila king was a bit of a newcomer. Imans has been there for a long time, but I had a big um.

I generated a lot of money through a land sale ten years back, and just it always obviously had the bones are being incredible and now arguably there'd be a lot of people who would turn up saying it would be their favorite. I think it's incredible. I candy like, it's very dramatic looking. It's in the best condition of all the courses in Melbourne. I think, um, yeah, it's it's a pretty special place p K North and South.

So yeah, I mean for really really good courses. I mean spoil that was the one thing that we got out of last year we had. I've never been a tournament director or like, I'm not a tournament director, but I've never sort of put on a tournament. But I don't think because I generally don't do this. I've done it, but I don't do it very often. We got a note from I think sixty nine seventy two players or something saying, wow, Haggard was that please invite me next year?

You know that doesn't happen, you know what We're like, Um, so we're not very grateful usually. So yeah, we obviously did something right and I think the coolest part about it is there's a lot of ego in golf and superintendents don't escape from that disease. So we had all clubs in general, So we had Kingston Heath showing off against Rayle Melbourne, against the Area against Pial, none of them they all wanted to be better than the other one. So they all showed off, had the best pins, had

the course presented as well as they could. And I think part of the beauty of the tournament is you're always going to get these four golf clubs and supers competing against each other because they want to be the one that stands out amongst the really good courses, you know, So it's sort of guarantees cool conditions and cool set up. Um, it was brilliant. It was like playing Sunday He's trying open photos in our last year. It was just it

was absolutely nuts. So, um, it's got everybody really excited. And as I said, we've elevated a few little a few of the little things. It's going to feel more like a tournament. I'm more like a polished up sort of tournament. Um, now it's gonna be incredible. Well, Michael, you know, you know how modest are our co host is here, but Jeff had a hand in in redoing a big hand and redoing Princely Kingswood and um so

how stressful is that? Jeff? You're not only you know, only the the co host, but you're essentially the the course redesigner. And um, if if there's a if there's a if you pin or as you know, a hole's not playing right because of the wind. And you know, if you spent your whole life probably muttering under your breath about the setup and the architect and now you're that guy. So did that add any stress to your life? Oh?

Not too much. I mean pins are a bit interesting. Yeah, we certainly want to check out the pins they want to use. But see that's another I think there's a little bit of Melbourne's got a track record just historically if getting a little bit carried away with green speeds. I mean it's been happening for fifty years, um and I think we finally got over it. Into early two thousands, we had an Australian Open where the greens were too far. It was a perfect day, it wasn't even windy, and

the balls were rolling off the greens. And I think everyone's sort of all the clubs and the powers that be, and everyone had a bit of a time out and said, look, no, let's just have a really good time, and let's put the pins in sensible spots and not have the greens at seventeen. Let's just have a twelve and um so because you can get these greens out fast. So I think that's kind of a bit of insurance because because they want their course to look so good, they're not

gonna want it's more of them look good. And there's there's young kids in this field and guys and girls and the whole breadth. They're not going to put the pins and crazy spots, but we definitely are sort of ah, keeping an eye on where they want to put the pins. Sure. And also there's a story to tell. It's an interesting seventy two holes. When they're really set up, well, let's say the Masters sets up. They set that up so perfectly,

it's like a story. Right, It's a little bit difficult on Thursday, and then they give you a chance on Friday, and they get really tough on Saturday, and then Sunday's sort of got a bit of everything. And last night holes. It's just great fun if you're playing well. Um, it's like a novel almost right. It's like this goes up. There's ups and downs of easiness and hardness and easy pins and tough pins. Um. We kind of got to try to create a little bit of that last year.

I think if anything, it was it was a little bit too hard every day because everyone was trying to have their course at their absolute Sunday pins. Um. But that's that's kind of an appeal to that as well, you know. So um, yeah, I'll try not to curse out the architect and the designers and um, hopefully the pins are all good. How many different sets of tears do you use for the adventure? It's just too I think, Um, the kids, they're all pretty elite as you know, Um,

they're all scratchy. I mean there's some incredible players fourteen fifteen. Some of the girls, I mean they're all most elite, world class anyway. You know what good girls, good girl golfers can get. How quick they get really good. Um, just men's and women's I think, ah, yeah, they're all pretty elite. I mean it's I say kids, their kids for us guys, Um, they're elite they can shoot under par you know. Uh, um, yeah, I'll be good. I mean, and that's one of the aspects of this tournament is

really cool. Is so the animating spirit was to bring together these different generations of golfers and it was born in covid when a lot of the Australians didn't really have the option to travel widely. So that mentorship between the old grizzled pros and and these these elite teenagers who are trying to trying to make their way. Do you have any favorite stories, Jeff about some of the relationships that that were born at the event last year and they have carried on now and um and how

they've these young players careers and lives have been improved. Yeah.

I don't have any specific stories. It's just such a cool uh because when I mean, if if you sort of asked me when I got back to us Try a few years ago, Um, I just wanted to spend a bit of Timmy and people ask me, all, you're gonna sort of help out a little bit with golf, and I'm like, I thought about it a little bit and I thought, well, when I was a kid, what what can I sort of provide that wasn't that I didn't have that would be great, and it was playing

with people like me. You know, there've been, always been, and that kind of still is really engulfed around the world. I think it is. An amateur pro divide is quite it's kinde of solid wall, you know, and you generally when you're am you play with ams, and when you get to turn pro, you only really get to play with the good players when you get good enough as

a pro to get in the good tournaments. You know, you start off in a small mini tours and little ones, and you don't really get to play with elite great players until you are one. So we just tried to create an opportunity where that would happen, and we do a little bit more. We have a lot of one day sort of things and stuff down here where me and a bunch of the tour players who are floating around will play with some of these young kids, which I think is I would have loved when I was

a kid. And so we just tried to get the best players. It's really the best players we can find, man, woman, pro or amateur and put them all on the best course as we can find. Really I guess is that there's a real sort of theory to the whole thing. So I mean, yeah, there was a lot there's a lot of these people of the kid who wanted Brady what last year that was his first timeament when he'd been a great amateur and he'd been sort of banging

away as a pro for a little bit but struggling. Um. Some of the young kids, the young young girls especially have sort of gone on and grown. And I a year is a long time for a sixteen year old. You know, when the sixteen year I was a little kid, and the next year they turned up their seventeen and they're shaving and they're you know, they're a big kid or whatever. You know. Um, it's um, yeah, they've all had a good year. I've I know that lots of them really really well. As I said, we do sort

of lots of one day as during the years. So there's sort of a really good community down here now, Elite golfers who want to who love playing golf and want to make golf their life. Be it guys people like me who are grizzled and grumpy and been doing it for thirty five years. And there's kids who are just wide eyed and excited and for thing about the experience of going out to play with some play another

tournament you know so and it's everything in between. So I guess just the relationships that form, you know, you play, you get to play rounds of golf with it's cross sections of young girls with Mike Clayton, you know, or sort of young boys going out to play with sort

of SUO or something SA LPGA players and stuff. So you get it's great sort of cross connections of people who are normally you go through life and you wouldn't even see them in your golf life, but we put them all in one with the one the one TOURNAMENTUM and sort of nice sort of relationships and connections and networks form, and people get inspired and people learn a bit about golf. And yeah, it's just I think I'm not it's it's it's far from perfect, but I think

it's a really nice model for a golf tournament. Jup Well was Cam Davis's path into the event. Um Well. I wandered around with him um President's Cup quite often, you know, like signed an assistant captain to a group or two, you know, and you'll go around and make sure they've got sandwiches and enough gatorade. Um whatever, can you run back to the van and get my other shoes because these ones are giving me blisters and all that,

you know, like what we do. And I was with um Cam and Adam for a couple of their games the President's Cup and just wandering around and reving them up and just being there if they needed anything. And Cam was but it was between one of the OLDNT shops or something where we went up the fairway and Scotty was in the t shot. Um Cam's like a Sandville last year. I'm sorry I couldn't come. I really want to come this year, you know. I'm like, well,

whatever you want to do. And then he texted us pretty soon after that actually and said I'm coming for sure. I know I'm back in Australia the whole time put me down on plane. So um Cam just loves got I mean, he's the ultimate to a pro. You know, he just loves golf, thinks golf, works on golf. Every decision he makes is around being a better golfer. Um and just just loves everything about it. And he's spent like a lot of the AUSSI tour players or Aussies

in general who are outside of Australia. When the pandemic came along, they all got stuck outside for two or three years. He hadn't been he hasn't been back here for three years, and I don't think he played any real tournaments on sand belts ever. It was since since sort of am golf. So um. Yeah, he was very very keene at the President's Cup and then a couple of weeks later he backed up, backed up his enthusiasm in Texas, US and said, put me down, I'm definitely coming.

So it was pretty exciting. Yeah, it's really neat, and what an experience for a young kid. There's gonna be some young kids who get to go out and play with the kids one of the best players in the world of just playing the President's Cup. That's just the

sort of part of what the tournament's all about. No, that's cool, and that's on the reasons why it's held so close to Christmas, right is who when you get folks who are coming back home and you know, maybe you can pick off some other players of like a cam diva stature and in the years to come, they're like I want to just go home for the holidays, but I want to stay sharp And is that part of the d Yeah. I mean look the dates a few things. I mean a couple of weeks earlier. Um,

it will always be in December for sure. When we first um put this to these clubs coming out of COVID last year, we we had sort of two two sort of four or five months patches of no golf at all in Victoria at least. So we were just coming out of no golf at all and we were trying to suggest to these golf courses, how can we come and steal your golf course for a day. And then we thought the members. The members were like, um, we haven't been on here. We haven't been on here

for a month, like four months. You can't really like stealing golf course for a day. So we sort of went late in December because that gets quiet and people

are getting ready for Christmas. It also adds up because a lot of these kids go to school, um, and it helped if they missed four days of I mean it's very late in school obviously like December, but for here in Australia, but um it helped that they didn't have to worry about that, the parents could get them there, they didn't have to worry about missing too much school and stuff. So it'll always be in December. And the courses are great in summer um, because obviously Australia summers

we're upside down in Australia. So um, the courses are probably just starting to come into their best in December. And the lady you hold it sort of the better they are. So at the moment, December I think is a really good day for a lot of reasons. Um. And it's really late December, um. And yeah, there's there's

nothing on in the world. It's the only tournament in the world, I think that week, which is getting harder and harder to find a week where there's no professional golf tournaments because we seem to be adding more golf tournaments and taking them away, which is good. Yeah, and I love that. Yeah, December, the deeds we'll to be blowing it out on Firepit, Collective, dot com and our social channels and um, it's it's really gonna be fun. I know that Colt and Benny and I are bringing

our clubs. That's optimistic given how busy the days are, but maybe we can sneak in a little twilight golf. We're gonna be staying at Pennsyla Kingswood, which I can't wait to see. It's Um, I think the term golf porn applies just the photos of the videos. It looks absolutely amazing. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a great show. UM. If if people want to get involved somehow, Jeff as as fans or UM people in the game, where would you direct them besides our channels? Like? How

else can they engage with the tournament? Uh, there's a pretty good website, UM sand Belt Invitational. UM. I don't know the exact address, but if you just look for Standout Invitation on the website, you can register if you want to come to one of the tournaments. I think you just have to register online or register on the app. UM it's free entry. UM, you just put your thing

down and come along, you know, um four different days. UM. I guess I don't know about anything else, but if you want to come along, just out to the website. It's got all the information. I should be apt to spade with all of that sort of stuff. But another website is really good. Just check that out and um, yeah, light December if you want to come and say good

appliers by the best courses in Australia, come out. Look yeah and maybe actually I've been an evangelist for the sand Belt, you know, Matt Janelle and I and a couple others went, came, came your way, and um, two thousand nineteen we did all the sand Belt courses, not all of them, we did a lot of them. We hit King's Island, played Cape Wickgum, which might be my

favorite course on Planet Earth, went to Barn Google. Like I've been saying this for a while, especially if you're on the West coast like I am of the US. To get to St. Andrews, you're gonna have to change planes somewhere and door to door. I can fly NonStop from San Francisco into into Melbourne. It's pretty much the same journey. And I would say the golf is as good or better than anything you're gonna find in Scotland or Ireland, and and the experience of it is is

so special. So it might be a little late in the ball game for some listeners, but I would say two thousand twenty three book a whole golf trip to Melbourne, come watch some of the sand Belt. It would be the trip of a lifetime where maybe we'll this gives us a year to workshop that maybe we'll we'll put something together for for the listeners and the readers that fact, the collective, Like we could have a hoe down, get more more American golfers down there to see these courses.

Would be would be super cool. But food for thought. Yeah, look, I think I look when when Americans but whatever reason, everybody loves the sand Belt. It's just something unique, something about it is. You don't say it anywhere else in the world. It's sort of a lot of people come. I mean Taga loves it. Um, almost all the anyone of any level comes and says, I live staying more.

That might be my favorite version of the game. You know, it really is unique and special and um, yeah, it would be definitely it would be a fun if if like a little fire pit sort of crew dragged a few people down. I think, yeah, you couldn't have you couldn't have a bad time. If you love golf, um and you kind even had a sad note trip, you'd have a guitar. That'd be amazing, and of course the

Ostins was so much fun. Like one of my favorite memories in golf was at the end of this long trip, we played until dark at Victoria and went into the clubhouse and had dinner. And because you know, Matt and I and had had been tweeting about the trip and putting stuff on Instagram, kind of folks knew we were there. And all these members were in the clubhouse. They kept wandering over the table and they're binus drinks and we were. We were our friends Tom Junior, Kevin Prison the trip.

We were We just had a pen and piece paper and we were trying to rank our favorite courses from the trip. We wanted playing eight courses in the world top one because we stopped in New Zealand as well, and Um played tar Eat and and it was just and then people are looking at our list, they're walking around the table, look at the other guy's list, and they're off on their momentary. You know, maybe if Victoria

is definitely better than the blah blah blah. It was just the most convival of gathering and it was really it was really special. Of course, you have Peter Thompson waiting for you, in that statue as you come in, it's just like perfect end or to an absolutely epic trip. So um. But anyway, Jeff, when you're working on a really classic Midwestern American golf course like be Diana, you know, as far away from an ocean as could be, not

even near a lake. But does some of your love of links golf show up in in the work that you're doing there? Yeah? I think so. I mean every way it's different, obviously, And I think one of the mistakes that's been made by everybody who's an architect as well anonymoustake. It's everyone has the ambition I want to build this somewhere else, and you just can't. There's something unique about the sand. I mean the sand belt, um just be the name sort of gives it away. There's

lots of belts of sand in the world. You know, there's one in Georgia. You know, there's there's Nebraska sandhills. I mean, there's sand everywhere. But the sand in Melbourne is really really unique. It's sort of very angular, they tell me, and it just compacts really hard and you can just cut an edge to a bunker against a green and it doesn't cave in it doesn't get soft. You can drive a mower over and it doesn't. It's just it turns into concrete effectively. But then you rake

it a little bit and it just gets perfect. Um, it's really unique sand. So you kind of, I guess you learn the lessons that you go to the old course, and the old course probably influences every golf course you ever build, but you don't build the old course. You know, you sort of try to find the lessons or the sort of what's this, why is this so great? Can we recreate this sort of philosophy in the Midwest situation?

You know? So I think we're obviously we're clearly all three of us, me, Michael and Ashley at our um at o CM, we're clearly heavily influenced by the sand belt. But we wouldn't ever really try to recreate it anywhere else.

We just sort of try to learn from the lessons that shows you, you know, yeah stuff, because the bunk is the bunk is what everyone falls in love with in Melbourne, and you just you'd love to be able to build them everywhere because everyone would build them because they're so it's so nice to have the green edge at the bunker. You know, you're can have such more

interesting looking pin. You're gonna have a pin three or what three yards away from the sand, as opposed to most places where you've got the little band of fringe grass.

You end up having the the pins three from the edge of the green, but it's actually five or six from there, but from the sand and Melbourne, it is actually three from the sand, which is a really unique look and scary look sometimes and really amplifies strategy, amplifies the angle you need to be on and you try to you try to do your best you can, but

you're never gonna be able to do the same thing. Well, this has been a great little preview of a very special golf Tournamentum, Michael or Jeff any any parting thoughts for the Steners as we lead into the Sand Belt Invitational. Now, I'm just excited. It's gonna be fun. It's uh, I'm tomp to you guys are coming down here. Um, hopefully

the weather is great. The weather is been attractions and Melvin this year has been flooding Victorian and stuff, but the coursest being on sand I'd dried really well, so they're all in great shape. So I mean hopefully we get an US, we gets foiled with the weather and we have a good weight. That's great. All right, Well this was a fire Drill podcast and starting really the days before the tournament, I would say in December seventeen eight, team will start putting out a lot of a lot

of fun content around this event. So thanks for listening, please tune in. Um I promise you that it's it's a it's an evertent event worth paying attention to it. It's a great model for other golf tournaments. It doesn't have to be about a huge purse and corporate tents and all this other stuff. It's really pure and it's gonna be very special to be there. So this is

Alan SHIPNUK. That was Jeff Ogilvie and Michael Bamberger. Thanks for listening, and we'll be coming back to you from Melbourne, Australia at some point with some more conversation about when this tournament wraps up. So that's it for now. Thanks a bed big played to win. Made a fortune within my ship game, man, I ran the table and never thought I could fall. Then the wintertime hit me like a cannon ball, and now I can't shake this losing the streak. Every road I take is a dead end stream.

I got thoughts in my head, can't get out, trying and nothing think what I'm thinking about. That God of thoughts in my head, I can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about