The Cobra

here with another full weekend a fifth Hour podcast. A very special cult group of the Mallard Militia have found this podcast and we thank you for that, and I am excited. We do this now eight days a week, double barrel action on a Friday, and we had the overnight show and now we go right in sash our way in to our conversation podcast. We do the us because four hours a night not enough. In the overnight. We thank you for finding it. We hope you've subscribed.

Hit that little subscribe button on the podcast. If you have not reviewed, I know it's a pain in the ass, but if you if you like the podcast, you should review the podcast. If you don't like the podcast, you probably shouldn't review it. It's not for you. But if you like the podcast, man, that would be great. Five

stars review it and that would be wonderful. And back amazingly another weekend with David Gascon as he is in here hand sound effects, n scind the thoughts on that octu here nothing nothing canned about that just got some people off the four or five free way they wanted to come on in and say hello. So it's uh, it's gonna be back in the house and of course a brand new day, a little tired from having to put together a bunch of crap for you. I'm sure

we'll get into that in the next day or two. No, no, no, you didn't have to do any any of that. There's high production value, like you know, like this podcast is so moving. But but yeah, you are what pathetic? I'm awesome. Awesome, that's not a word. That's not a word I would use. That's a word I would use. You're not You're not really kind, You're not really compatible with compliments. So it's here's what I here's what I do. I believe in

tough love. Okay, that's what I do. I get I believe you get better it's called constructive criticism, is what it is. No, No, you don't give anything constructive, You just criticize. Now, if I was a doctor. If I was a doctor, would I be a dentist? Would I be a surgeon? No? I would be doctor truth. All right, That's what I am, doctor truth with valid and well reasoned opinions. You'd be like by the dozen. You wouldn't be an ear doctor. You wouldn't be ear nose and

through it. Maybe like an ophthalmologist, because at times you are observant of the times you're not. You don't really listen to ship. You just talk loud over people. It's pretty much it. So you'd be an optimologists. It's called being a talk show host. Have you ever heard a talk host? Have you ever heard a talk show host? Who's I have my talk show host. I would like you to listen. We got some guys that are here like that, don't you think? Do you want to name names? No?

But no, I don't know. I I don't listen to a lot of these guys. But if I have heard some people over the years that are like that, and you know what I do? Click click, I move on, I go, I go elsewhere. I don't listen. Why would I want to listen to that. If I want to hear somebody whisper, I'll go to the library. I don't need to hear that on the radio or podcasting or it's ridiculous. So mine back to this podcast. Yes, today's podcast. Now,

this is what's known as alternative programming. Right now. I'm excited to do this. We were actually we're supposed to do this interview last week. You know, we've been working on this for a couple of weeks. But I think it's perfect because it's obviously NFL Draft weekend and all that going on that rigamore or so, I think we should give you an alternate, a little break from all

that football stuff. And I am fired up because we have a legitimate big name, this guy Royalty in his day back in his halcyon days with the Pittsburgh Pirates, as we are chatting with the great Dave Parker. Dave Parky, National League MVP in nineteen seventy eight, was part of the we Are Family Pittsburgh Pirates of nineteen seventy nine, played with Willie Stargel and was teammates with Pete Rose. Played with Conseco and McGuire. Robin Youunt was his team

in Hall of Famer with Milwaukee. Dave Winfield with the Angels won a couple of World Series and his resume is outstanding. Uh, And we're gonna gonna chat here with with the Parker. He's got a new book out Gascon. It's called Cobra, A Life of Baseball and Brotherhood. It just came out in April, the beginning of April, so it's only it's only been out for a short time. And if you're like me and you remember watching Dave Parker and the way he played with the Bravado to

his game, you're gonna wanna kinda read the book. I mean, he goes uh full in on everything here. We'll get into some of it just a little bit. We'll scratch the service. But it's a book designed more for an

adult audience, which is good. So he's gonna tell some of I mean, this guy was part of the pirates back when they were you know, in the seventies and the eighties, when you know, cocaine was in the air everywhere, and I was dragged into that the Pittsburgh drug trials, which he was a star of we'll ask him about that.

By the way, before I we get into the conversation with Dave Parker, if you're gonna buy the book, I recommend going to Dave Parker thirty nine Foundation dot com because if you if you're gonna buy the book anyway, you buy it there and it will help the Dave Parker thirty nine Foundation in their mission to help defeat Parkinson's which Dave has been battling here for the last handfull of years. But let's get into it right now.

And I think we should start with this, Dave Parker that recently we've seen a number of players of former players, guys that you played with at the end of your career who no longer are watching baseball, who are disgusted with baseball. Gary Sheffield is one and David Wells is another. Just at the top of my head here, But where do you stand on that? Where are you at on watching baseball? Do you still enjoy the game? Do you still check out? Well, I'm watching it if I'm walking

through the house and happen to be on TVV. But the game is too slow, They don't play small ball. Guys are standing that to play taking the strikes, swinging and balls and bob their head. They're not fundamentally sound, and uh, it's hard to watch. Yeah, And I gotta ask you, is a guy that played, you know, in the for me the goal I grew up watching you played there, so I loved I loved your your era

of baseball. But this ghost runner, right, they were an extra inting So they just magically a runner pops up on second base? Where are you on that? Pretty soon they're gonna have robots pitching. You know, a weird thing. I'm losing the rules. I don't even know the rules are in baseball no more. You gotta guy running in Pennsylvania, you know, if I know, like a pen Son, I had to play the extra four or five years. Yeah,

it's pretty it's pretty crazy. If you were in charge and Rob Manford and I do the overnight show here at Fox, and I've taken my shots to the commissioner. But if you were running baseball, David, you could you could fix and tweak something in the sport of baseball. What what would it be? What do you think baseball needs that the commissioner could do? What they need to promoted better? They need promoted better. And you don't have any as African Americans in the game decentages like down

the seventh. Uh they need to promote the game more, bring some new blood in. And they have this this broke. Don't fix it. You know, ain't nothing wrong with baseball. You throw it, I catch it, and you throwing it out hit you know, and just keep it simple. Yeah, David, you were, you know, one of the great African American players in your day. But but baseball's they've they've had these different campaigns to try to encourage uh more black

kids to play baseball. But it's it seems like basketball and football for the last twenty or thirty years, everyone's been gravitating to that. So I don't know what else baseball can do. You know, It's it's an interesting dilemma, right, I mean, if if kids don't want to play baseball, you can't really force him, right, So what are they supposed to do? It's an odd situation. Well, you know, it's try to faults and to do it. But I mean,

you still got to promote it. You gotta. Basketball have all these programs for youth during their All Star games, and then they make a grandness to the kids baseball could do the same thing. I'm not nothing a hook with not fouls and players to do and just create environment for them the I want to do it absolutely now. When you played, you had you had swagger, You had swagger to your to your your your game. There were

usually frowned upon. I know today in baseball one guys like Fernando Tatis Jr. Who have that to their game, there's still people call them out on it, like you're not supposed to play baseball that way. When you were playing back in the seventies and the eighties and the end of the nineties, there were people. Do people give you a hard time for the jewelry and all the

razmutazz that you brought. I got to hit fifty times in twenty years, So when too many people won the through me because I was a physical player and I was intimidating and I had a situations would open McGuire and got hit about three or four times in a week, and uh put him to the side, And I said, if you want to stop that, just run out there one day and grab a guy in the college and shaking for a second. And he did, and then you get hit for the rest of the year. You know,

guys want to put on the show. Have some at a possess to the game, be prepared to pay the price. Bob Gibson would have probably unbroken about twelve thirteen ribs by now. I've see these guys go up to line thing that I'm looking for one to do a flip. You know. It's a certain respect that's in baseball and you gotta have it. Yeah, and we're talking with the great Dave Parker. Obviously he's got a book out and we're gonna talk more about that in a couple of minutes.

Here Cobra A Life of Baseball and Brotherhood. It's available wherever you get books, in Amazon, Walmart, Barnes and Noble, all those locations where you you would get your books. And we'll talk more about that. But Dave, you mentioned the on field justice when you played, and you would get drilled, and then they didn't do that too often because you were a big holking guy and you could rip their heads off. But baseball's try to get away

from that now. It's another one of those things that's changed since you played, where they don't really want the players to take care of the adjudication on the field, and uh, you know what were the rules I guess the unspoken rules when you were playing that you guys followed to police the game when you were playing well, and to for two you hit one of mine when we hit two years. You know that's that's that's the

way that a lot of guys dealt with it. But I mean you sure enough respect You know, I had a whole run truck where I had my fingers down and I ran real slow, but uh, it was done in a respectful way. And I don't think God will offend him by and none of the guys took pride and and taking deep one of my best friends then in secondsly I got him about six or seven times, and he had come and tell you a story about what what he thought when it was going over the fence.

You know, it's a certain way that you can do that without showing up the player. Yeah. Well, now, obviously we live in the social media age, Dave. Everything's about Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all that stuff. How would how would a young Dave Parker when you were just mashing the baseball with the pirates, how would you have been on social media in your in your prime. I was a boy accepted because I

had a little pas working. I used to make a rhymes and till you know, when the needs turned brown, I'll be wearing the vetting crown. And I had another one that I used on on Sundays was there's only three things for sure, the day and the sun and the winds don't blow and big days gonna go for for four. You were like the poet laureate. They didn't. I was talking to one of my buddies and we were talking about you back in the day, and then you have a wasn't there some line you like? Mommy

said there would be Daves like this, right? I mean you you were you were a poet in your day. Dave with the we were imperfect for Twitter would have been perfect, you know they called me in baseball. The one about Mama said every days like this was when me and Winfield was playing together and and I had so u. I just put together things that fit the club, that fit the individual. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern

eleven pm Pacific. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacife on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app Dave. What do you miss most about the game nowadays? And obviously there's a change in saber mention and analytics and things like that, But what do you miss about what it was compared to what it is now? Just the guys are not fundamentally sound, you know, and you're making three hundred million a year, which I believe

in whatever the market or bear. But you know, the older in the game, some some play. You know, you gotta be fundamentally and sound and lease, you know, hustle a little bit and leave your feet. You know, you don't see that. And so the money that they're they're getting paid, you can request some of that and maybe get it. Any guys that played today that remind you of how the game was played back in the day. I like Tatis. I think that's the kid's name in

San Diego. I like his style. You know, he puts himself on the line and he's got flash and then he hustles put team on his back and we don't have to many players es capable of doing and today, I mean he's certainly a figure in San Diego. What about Nanaheim with Shoo Tani, What do you think about him? I don't know much about him fair enough. Um, you know, Dave, with with the way that things have been progressive with Major League Baseball, you mentioned a guy like Fernano Tattoos Jr.

And And marketing the game. What kind of steps would you take to get these guys out there? I mean, Mike Trout, for all intensive purposes, is the best player in Major League Baseball right now, but doesn't have the personality, doesn't have the chrisma, and he can't force the guy. So who else would you go up there with and say, hey, we need to market you a little bit more outside of a guy like Tatis or maybe Mookie Betts. Well,

I'm sure is that more than one star? So you know, you tell you, as a managine you star and tell them what you expect and uh, they should be able to do that. We know, no problem at all. Yeah, Dave, your your book. Let's talk about that now. The Cobra, that's why you're here. Cobra A Life of Baseball and Brotherhood, as we mentioned, is available now wherever you get your books. That just came out here in the month of April, so it's a brand new books. You can be one

of the first people to check it out. I know, for guys like me, listen, I I grew up watching to play day. I want to. I want to hear all about you and read all about you. And I've actually read some of the book already. But for the person listening, let's say the younger person, the gen Z person that doesn't know Dave Parker, that didn't watch you play with the swagger back in your day. Why should someone who's in that category by this book, Dave? Well, there,

we've probably heard of me. If I hadn't seen me play, and I interviewing the individual, then UM have a request for the game. Somebody that played hard. I never ran out. I always ran out my ground balls regards and when he was hit, and I always played at a hundred. I was physical, I was colorful. I was a fun to watch. Now you were, and I I understand this book is geared more to an adult towards an adult audience.

Right you you as you met you? I mean, you played in a wild era before social media, when you could you know, guys could get away with more stuff back in the seventies in the eighties. So how saucy do we get in this book? Are we gonna hear about the partying and all that you know back in the pirate days and whatnot? How how deep do we get in this book? Dave? It gets pretty deep. I tell people, you know, some curse words in here. You might not want to care to read it, you know,

but it gets pretty deep. I was one of the guys that wouldn't missed a good party. And when congregate with my teammates, we'll go out to dinner and twelve thirteen of us and we go to a nightclub back rooms, so we, uh did all the fun stuff too. Yeah. So, and baseball in those days, they've they've attempted to, I guess clean it up and all that. But you played, as I said, in the seventies and the stories about greenies and whatnot in the locker room and just the

wildness in the parts. And then you played into the eighties and the you know, the beginning of the steroid era. Uh did you ever dabble in in that day when you were playing or did you avoid that? You played with the A's and McGuire and Conseco were there. So how tempting was it if you didn't do it? No, that wasn't tempting at all. You know, steroids slink to human body, and I'm not one to try to slink. I'm kind of add on uh STIs never did uh

attract me? Absolutely? You you told interesting story wrong with my buddy sports with Coleman, and I had not heard this. I've always known I have one of the great nicknames in sports in the Cobra. And and what is the origin of that? For the for the guys listening that haven't heard you tell the story before? Who gave you the nickname? And it's a great nickname, one of the greats in sports. But who gave you the nickname the Cobra?

Trainer Tony brought a rome was a big boxing sing and we had a fighter in Cincinnati called the Cincinnati Cobra. His name was Es Shaul and he was the heavyweight champ. And Tony associated me man Cincinnati and gave me the title the Cobra, and Bob Prince made it famous are announcing. So it came from a trainer. It's good nickname that trainer, whoever that is that, I got a good job by him.

I saw in the book here there's a quote from Keith Hernandez, who played it against you and now as a Mets broadcaster, and he said of you that for a that period of time, he he meeting you, Dave Parker, the greatest player of my generation. That's a tremendous compliment by Keith Hernandez. And I mean you were a wonderful day.

I mean, where do you put yourself, David, that in that seventies early eighties window, I was the best player from mid seventies, say heyy and uh from eighty four two, I mean coming out of Oakland, Um, it was Milwaukee. I was the best player for about ten of those two years, Dave. Statistically speaking, your eight five campaign with Cincinnati, you had thirty four home runs, drove in a hundred and batted over three. That says a lot obviously in the middle of your career. But where did you find,

I guess, the most comfort in your career. Did you enjoyed Pittsburgh more than Cincinnati or Milwaukee or Oakland? Well, I enjoyed Pittsburgh because they gave me an opportunity to play and started was like a father, big brother talk Ellis was like a brother, and we just had guys Bill mad Lock guys that was great guys that play with and organization was was great to play for at a time. But I kind of overstayed my welcome and uh ran into some problems with the fans for a

period of time. Did you get that sense that you were overstaying you're welcome or is that something that was hinted by somebody else. No, it's just uh when when your fans thought, falling stuff and yelling stuff from the fans, I mean from the stands and gets to the point where maybe it's time to do something else. Was there? Wait? Wait, wait, what were they thrown at you when you What was the craziest thing that got thrown at you when you were playing in those ear? In that ear that that

happened a lot, right? And what kind of projectiles were flying down when you were out in the field. Well, we had one of the strangest things with a sock full of nuts and boats. It was a sock that had nuts and boats and and somebody threw it out the right field and I heard a chink, and I want to see what it was, And that's what it was. Some nuts and boats. What's so, was it worse in Pittsburgh or worse in Philadelphia? It was in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia

through a battery. I mean somebody in Pittsburgh through a battery. So I had two batteries and a sock full of nuts and boats. That's crazy, Dave. Well, what about the Hall of Fame? Obviously you didn't get voted in by the writers. You're still eligible through the Veterans Committee. Do you do you think you've been ostracized day because of some of the stuff that happened in Pittsburgh where they just won't put you any get your numbers. As you said, you for for a period of years were the top

player in baseball. You wont an m v P award. Like to me, the criteria for a Hall of Famer, you meet the criteria. You're you were an m v P. I'm not sucking up your day, but you were seven time All Star. You won the World Series a couple of times. Really bookaded right ten years apart, I think it was you won the World Series. So what do you think it is? Day? What do you think is going on here where they you just you could not

carry enough support to get into Cooper's time. We had to ask the committee as a Hall of Fame because

you couldn't do no more than I did. And if you got drives better than me and hall of fame, you know, I'd like to see him match the numbers and get somebody to tell me that you better than me, because I know I was best player in baseball about ten of those twenty years I was in bold And I was gonna say with with that, with what Ben brought up, Dave mc Kurt Schilling is a guy that we bring up it feels like annually right now, and the biggest reason for that is because there's there's thoughts

that he is getting blackballed by the writers because of his political allegiance. Um, do you think a guy like that has hurt himself from getting into the Hall of Fame because of how outspoken he is? And it kind of goes away from the writers. When are you telling you, you know, way from your personality. That's his personality. Kard loved to put himself on the line, so I even knew him. He was writing messages on balls and rolling them across Philadelphia's ball park to the bad Boy and

sending me messages and I never faced the kid. It wait, what kind of messing? Just this stuff? I watched you play Tame way to get you out? You know stuff like that. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, So what what about let's go back to you, I mean the dark Pard. I'm sure you you mentioned this in the book here the Pittsburgh days and there was the famous incident the drug trials that took place. What you know, what was that like going through that? How how scared were you?

How how nervous were you? And kind of paint the picture for those that don't recall, like you know, that whole era and what that was like going through as you you know, being a star player in baseball and being dragged into a courtroom when they was after the big name players. You know that that that was what they were seeking. And uh, they changed their direction and gave us immunity and they had the big trial in

Ainty side. I didn't know more than anybody else and and ned knowing that time you had lawyers doing and teaches, other athletes, general managers. Uh, because everybody in society was doing it. I thought it was a fair you know, I thought it would go away after a few years and grabbed the hold to a lot of players and they can handle them and and merit them having some problems. Yeah. Absolutely. And I want to circle back to the to the money thing, and you were the first million dollar a

year guy. I remember that that story when they you got the big contract, and to think like people were upset with you, Dave, right because you were the million dollar guy. And now as we talked about Mike Trout's got a four million dollar deal, Mookie Bets is a three sixty. Uh So, what I want to ask you here is, and I know you're very confident man, Dave Parker, but if you were playing today, if a prime m VP vintage Dave Parker was playing today, how much money

would you get on your contract? Would you three hundred four hundred? Where would you be, Dave park I'm gonna pick out the nice city. I don't know, San Diego, San Diego. How big a contract are we talking about for you? If you if you could transport what you were in nineteen seventy nine, that era, and then, how how much money would you be getting right now? If somebody's making four I gotta make fast. I like it. There you go see that you got. You gotta go

higher than Mike trapping. Mike's making four thirty on the on the contractor you gonna go higher than that. You played with the Cincinnati Reds. Pete Rose was a teammate. He was your manager in in Cincinnati there also for for a few years. What was he like? I mean, we've heard stories about you competed against him for a long period of your career, you played with him. What was Pete Rose like? Behind the scenes, it was what

you What you see is what you get. And when Pete did everything like Charlie hustle and Wade running, the first face was just then it's Pete Rose. I enjoyed playing against him, and it was even the bigger three of playing with him because I've watched him every day in his latter years, played the game in the same way then when he first got to the big league. So he was the thrill of the play with Dave, who was the toughest picture. He went up against Steve Carlton.

He uh had a slatter that he started to nod the played out and it would break over another baddest box and I would He punched me out about three times a game. But we had a funny stat going. Steve struck me out more than any picture I ever faced, and I hit more home runs off of him than any picture I ever faced. So that's weird stat. At least it's not one dimensional like it was with Greg

Maddox and Tony going back in the day. Yeah, absolutely, id I was surprised that he was so great because he had medium philosophy and he came up with the fastball that he would run back over the plate When I got in the MAGA League and I'm looking at the the standings and he would be nothing off twenty wins he or he's almost zero. He turned out to

be one of the greatest pitches of all time. You mentioned you're obviously known as a guy that enjoyed a good party, and you played in a great era for that. Who is the teammate that you were with that could match you party for party. Who was the wildest party animal teammate he had back in those days. Doc Ellis was a flambornet guy and uh a ladies man. Doc was a guy that could run with me, and did

he not. The famous story about Doc Ellis is that he supposedly pitched I use on LSD or something like that. He pitched a no hitter. Uh, that's what he'd say. That the stories about that. He said he wasn't aware of him pitching the note head and to the seventh center, but he said it's true. He got to know hitter. That's pretty crazy, dropping some acid, throwing a no hitter, that's that's right up there. That's right. One of the

greatest things he did. I think the Cincinnati knocked us out of the playoffs like two years in a row. And Doctor came, he's gonna start the season and he said, you guys stared at the red and uh. He said, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna hit everybody come to the plate. And I said, you ain't gonna do nothing. He said, I'm hetting everybody come to the plate. Well, heat, everybody came to the plate. They took him out and against Tony Freas and was hid

fifth that day. But he hid the first hit, the second, third in the forfeit and missed the fifth. Said, and that was Johnny Bench. But he's a man of his words. There you go, you see you say you're gonna do something. Dave you gotta do it. That are talking at gascon over here now, you Dave, but very important Now. Uh. Meanwhile, you played at the end, near the end of your career with the A's some tremendus tremendous teams and talent wise in Oakland has one championship. But Tony Russo was

your manager and he's back, Dave. He's managing the Chicago White Sox. Now when you saw that, like, what were you vacant? I got what went through your mind when you saw Tony LaRusso returning to baseball at at his you know, at his age he's been out for a while managing the White Sox. Well, he's a good manager.

He uh could have handled that, I don't think and be putting an interfuestion on him because he's not one maybe three World Series and uh he's the most prepared manager I ever played for because he thoughts to every eye, crosses every team. So uh he even been falified to have a good team play to stop. Yeah, you know you've been very open, Dave. I'm gonna, you know, kind

of wrap this up a little bit. But you've got the book out again and you go into great detail about your your day's designed more for an adult, yes, because it's some language and whatnot. If you're the kids today though they speak all kinds of language. But cobra a life of baseball and brotherhood. And you've been very open about your health, David, your fight against Parkinson's and and how is your health today? How are you doing these days? I'm doing. I have good days, bad days.

And some days you go out and you feel like you do normally. In other days you go out and your nags ain't working properly. Uh, you just saw moving as as fluent as as I should. But uh, I got to play the hand. That's dealt you know, this is what I gotta deal with. This is what I'm

dealing with. Yeah, I heard the story. You you were just going for your regular physical and then you know, you didn't realize you had this right, and then the doctor kind of noticed there was something awful a little bit. And that's how you found out, is that correct? Right? I had? My hand was tremdling. I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out to my attention. And I you said, then, like you might have a little touch of Parkerson, And uh, that's how I found out

interesting and yeah, go ahead. I dealt with it. In the early stages, I thought I was gonna beat it. But partisan is non altared. My life mainchanged everything slowed everything down. So it's something. And uh, I'm got my foundation while I'm raising money to for research, and uh that's been basically what I've been doing, is trying to raise uh the money for research and see if we can bite to staying in. But absolutely that's a great cause. In fact, you know, a bad job by me, Dave.

I was promoting Amazon and Walmart and all that. But if you buy the book from and I think this is still going on, Dave, I read this on your website. Dave Parker thirty nine Foundation dot com is the website. So if you're interested in buying this book, uh, you should go to Dave Parker thirty nine Foundation dot com because according to what I read here, Dave, every copy sold via that website, your website there benefits the Dave Parker thirty nine Foundation and your mission to help defeat

Parking sins. And again, the name of the book, Cobra, A Life of Baseball and Brotherhood, just came out here at the beginning of April, so it's a fresh book. And if you're like me and you appreciated Dave Parker playing for the for the Pirates and the Reds. And I saw it at the end with the Angels when I was and I was a young pup going out watching you and Winfield with the Angels there, and I loved, damn. I love the sledge hammer that you had in the

on deck circle. That was that was my favor. I was like, I want as a kid, I was like, I can't believe it. This guy's like a superhero. He's swinging a sledge hammer in the on deck So it was awesome and uh and love it. And listen continued to you know, good good health to you, keep fighting the fight there, good luck with the book, and we thank you for spending some time with Thank you, Dave, thank you, thanks for the book. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two

am Eastern eleven pm Paci Effect. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.