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free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere eight days a week, eight days a week, unless we're not here, then it's not eight these a week. But four hours obviously not enough on the overnight, So we welcome into the Friday Podcast and we attempt every Friday on the fifth Hour to have a conversation we do not do on the overnight show. Interviews. We talked to crazy drunk people that call the show up and lunatics we love. There are

family in the Mallard Militia. We don't do any interviews because we'd have to tape those. I know some of the other shows do that, and how boring is that? Who wants to listen to a tape? Show on a live radio program, but on the podcast format, of course, we have the avenue of doing that, and so we will welcome in in a few minutes. This is a political hour, political hour on the fifth hour, but we

are joined yet again by David Gascon. Not Gascon. Gascon, you believe in fighting crime, unlike the other guy who's got a very similar name to you. Yeah, I feel like, uh, yeah, the pronunciation is one thing, and uh and the revolt to the correct resistance is another. And uh. I feel like where we're at right now is just luny tunes. But I digress as I get my hands ripe and ready, because I am preparing this lovely Friday morning for Benny versus a penny tonight. We got a lot of things

on the menu today. We do have a lot going on here, and it's good. The year winding down and uh, you know the thing with your name and the new district attorney in Los Angeles. It reminds me one of my great, big, biggest supporters in Michigan was a guy who had a goofy nickname and he used to call the show. In fact, he was one of the originators of the Mallard militia and the guy came up with he stopped listening years ago because it's a long story,

it's a long, convoluted story. But he was a huge fan and his nickname on air was Johanna John. Alright, I remember him, Yeah, yeah, and it was a great nickname. It was fun, you know whatever. And then the whole Middle Eastern terrorism thing took over. And then if you remember about maybe twelve ten, twelve years ago, I forget your time. All is just I don't even know. I can't even tell you when, but it was within the last fifteen years or so, and I think it was

closer to last ten. Um there was a terrorist that was doing horrific things and they the media tagged him Johadas John. So we had to change we had to change the name of the harmless sports radio caller Johadas John because some lunatic was going around, you know, chopping people's heads off in the Middle East, and it happened

that the media dubbed him with the same name. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think I would be telling that story today, but now and every time I see the name of Gascone and it just is people pronounce it Gascon though they don't. They don't pronounce it gascon. They pronounce it's pronounce it guest gun. So anyway, this is a political hour. If you're not in the politics, I get it. And it's fine. You don't have to listen, you know, give you a mulligan. You can give us a mulligan if

you want. But I'm interested. There's a lot going on. You don't have to just stick to sports on a podcast. And so this is guy we've had on before political put it Dave Ruben. We're both big fans of Dave Reuben. He's got a big talk show about free speech, the Reuben Report, he's got the he's all over social media. He's on the political shows on Fox News and news Max and a bunch of the channels there. He's got

a book out, don't burn the book. And so we're just gonna try to get the lay of the land here at Guesscon from someone who's in in the ring, fighting the political fight day after day, and this is his world. I I just kind of peek in, you know, I'm a sporty guy. I just I I'm into politics, but I'm not like hardcore into it. We're all maybe I'll check it out after the show. I might see what's what happened the last twenty four hours in the political world. But this guy is right there getting his

hands dirty day after day. When you think about some of the world's greatest creations, Um, it's one thing to have something that really changes the world. But can you think of an item just off the top of your head that was created and you just thought that thing is so stupid but so useful. I wish I would have created that. Oh god, everything, I'm like, yeah, everything, anything I see said, why didn't I think of that?

That's how you know obviously. So it's so if I were to rewind your life back ten years and I said, hey Ben West of the four or five guests, g No. But I'm saying, if I was to rewind your life back ten years and I said, hey Ben, you could you can be really successful and really maximize your potential and making money by creating a show that talked about free speech, would you have been like, what the funk

are you talking about? Or would you would you thought something must have happened in the world, Because that's in the sense what Dave is doing right, He's talking acknowledging about free speech, your ability as an individual to act on your own accord and do the things that you want to do. And nowadays it's almost polarizing for him to say that because we need to con form, we need to be in line. Right Yeah, yeah, well, I mean listen, the thing about Ruben which is good, I mean,

thing I really like about him. He's very smooth on his delivery and his approach. I mean, it's it's taking the DMV handbook and making it seem simple. You know, it's that's that's a skill. That's an art that not many people have the ability to do. Anybody can talk about sports or politics, but the communication aspect of it is the part where he's just just wonderful at that, in in the delivery, the whole thing. He's so good

at it. And someone that we work in the media business, so you when you find people like that, you're like, well, this is great, this is this is wonderful. Let's give me more, give me more, give me more. Now, keep in mind, I mean, I know we're gonna get some people. Oh I can't believe you had Ruben on. He's a hack, you know, and they're gonna there's gonna be those people that, uh, we gonna they just go go crazy over this kind of stuff. But we're fans of him and we've had

him on before, and so I'm excited. I figure with all that's going on, and the the inauguration day is January. It's a Wednesday, and so that's like pretty much a month away. Right, We're looking about a month away from having a president sworn in, unless that somehow gets delayed, which I don't think it will. But so anyway, why don't we want to bring him in right now? Yes, all right, let's bring in now the host of the Reuben Report. We just said, Dave Reuben joining us, And

so Dave, why don't we start with that. We'll piggyback off what we were just talking about. Here. Is the election over, Well, I'm not convinced that the election is completely over. I mean, there are still a couple of things working through the courts at the moment. And you know, Sidney Powell, who is a respected lawyer, it's harder for me to believe that she has completely decided to self emolate and destroy her personal life and career in the

name of this thing. Now, that doesn't mean, she really has something and she's got a crazy case to prove here that these dominion machines were switching votes and flipping votes and eliminating votes on top of a couple of the other things that are going on with mail and

ballance and everything else. But I will say this, and this is why I'm sort of a little bullish on the Trump situation at the moment, at least relative to the mainstream people, which is that over the four years that we had the Trump presidency, uh was with us, he basically beat everybody every single time. So was he not ready for the final boss of the video game? Was he not ready knowing that they might try some crazy stuff with voting machines and the rest of it.

I suspect he's got something left in his pocket. But maybe I'm wrong. And if I am wrong and against to the end of it and the courts don't get anywhere and bidens the president, I'm okay being in the opposition that there, right. Yeah, And if you we've all seen the video, So I don't know if we've all seen it, because I guess depending on where you get your to you you haven't. As far as the election and some of the stuff that went on there. Uh,

is this every election? Is this unique? Or is this I'm trying to wrap my mind about because I know in the last twenty years, with these big presidential elections, there's always been something that people have complained about. Is this just the way that elections are run or is it extra extreme this year? Yeah, that's a million dollar question, right because you know, we didn't have the internet the

way we have it now. We didn't have the ability for videos to go viral, and for electors and people that were watching the ballot boxes and the rest of it, for them to be able to take videos on their phone. And now we see all these strange, shady things happening, and you can see videos of people pressing different touch screens where it appears mozart flipping. Look, every every election in the history of the world beyond America has some level of fraud. Obviously, there's no such thing as a

perfect system. Human meanings are not perfect. We cannot create perfect systems, So you have to acknowledge that a certain amount of fraud is built in. Is it possible as we shift more to digital and more towards mail in ballots that we're basically, uh, causing a breeding ground for more and more fraud to take place. It seems like yes. And then when you compound it with the fact that social media exists, so now we can all see it.

You know, it's one thing if there's a certain level of fraud and we can't see it, But then you just go on with your life. Now you start seeing stuff and then you go, oh, wow, is this the first time this has happened? Or am I just seeing

it for the first time. But I think the bigger thing that that fits all of that is that we're basically in a reality war, because depending on what news you watch and who you follow on Twitter, you could think that this thing was totally stolen or you could think it's totally legit right now, and you'd both be living on the same planet Earth, but you would both be living in a very different, uh sense of reality. It's the Twilight Zone, Dave. Everyone's got there all mentioned

in the Twilight somebody. As far as the just in general, I mean, you cover this stuff all the time. You're a political pun and as you dig uh, and so if you look at the election objectively, it's such a large country Democrats and Republicans can't agree about anything. So if you were to say, let's have election reform, how would you possibly get these sides to agree on anything. Yeah,

that's the fundamental issue. These sides not only disagree on everything, but they have a very fundamentally um opposite view of what America is. I mean, trying to write my mind about it. I mean, he's gonna hire a bunch of Google and Facebook people for different roles there. What do you think that's all about. Oh yeah, they're doing it already. They've they've announced they've got a whole bunch of Facebook com people and Google Comms people that they're already bringing

into the administration. So one of the irty is that Trump, in many ways was the last thing fighting big tech. In other words, big tech knew they couldn't go too overboard with Fannings and the rest of it because Trump was there and maybe he was going to do something with an executive action and start taking legal action and try to break them up in the rest of it. If Trump's gone, well, congratulations, You've got the political elite and the and the tech elite all on the same side.

And why would they allow for dissenting voices. Why would they allow people they don't like and deem scary and who are maybe against lockdowns or whatever it might be. Why would they let them on their platforms if they've run around and labeled all these people nachies and biggots and the rest of it. So I think if you thought was weird, is going to just be completely bananas. Do you believe that Donald Trump will be banned from Twitter once he's no longer president? Are they going to

kick him off there? I think it's possible, but you know, it's one of those things where you go ahead and do that and then you're pulling like an obi wan. You know, if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful, then you can possibly imagine. So I think they'd have to be careful what they wish for um, but I

wouldn't put any anything past them. I mean, if they really want to make it seem like this, this movement, whatever you want to call it, that this thing is radical and should not be tolerated and should not be mainstreamed or normalized, which is really what they wanted all along, well then you would go ahead and get rid of Trump. But I don't think that weakened him. I think it

probably strengthened him, Dave. You know, there's certain thoughts that I know, Ben and I have talked about when you arrive in certain cities like the Big Apple and you get to New York or are you gonna go to Boston. There's just that that fuel and that energy. Even going to Sense City is different because you see those lights from the luxur l and they shoot up and you get that that rush of let's go gamble, let's go party.

And New York's got that different beasts as well. But you were in DC recently, just a few weeks ago, just a week ago. Um, what was your feeling like when you landed? And how is the overall trip? Give us the skinny on it. Yeah. Well, first, I gotta say I love d C. I mean, you know, for all the complaining that anyone can do about politics, I love the history of this country. I love those monuments. I love going to the museums. I love the learning

about our founders and all of that stuff. I've been there dozens and dozens of time. At times it never gets old to me. But I gotta tell you this time, it was seriously depressing. I mean, there was nobody out on the streets. I posted a periscope video just walking around the streets, and quite literally all I saw were homeless people. That's it. I mean, I actually, at one point I did see three guys. Turns out that they were fans of mine, so that so that was fun.

But there were just no people out there. There's no tourists. Everything's closed. You know. At one point I was trying to find something for lunch. Couldn't even find a place that was open. And you know that that we've allowed our cities to become waste lands in essence is very dangerous. It's very scary, and unfortunately, I don't think it's going away. Well, and then also I saw you, uh I think you put posted this. You were talking about cal Fornia. Obviously,

Are you leaving California like everyone else they were? You gonna stay in California? Are You're gonna head to Nashville or Austin or somewhere else? Well, for the record, if I if I do leave, I sense I'm more of a Florida guy. I'm more of a beach guy than a than a Texas guy. But I'm trying to fight this thing from here. You know, if if we're really at the point where nobody can live in a state that they don't fully agree with their politics, and then

then in many ways the American experiment has failed. And I'm not quite there yet. So I'm willing to pay the high taxes for a little bit longer, but you know, at some point the rubber meets the road. At the very least to Dave, because I can't defend Ben in this capacity, but at least in your downtime you know how to cook a steak. Vans not doing it so much, but at least you're doing it. Yeah, he loves let me tell you, Dave. The other Dave here, Guscan loves

when you post food pictures. That is you know, you think you're known as the political guy, but when you post food pictures, that is what he really that resonates with him. So listen, I people love the food pictures. And you know, I got a I got a pretty sweet built in grill here, and I'm doing all kinds of you know, bone in ribs and try tips and

all kinds of all kinds of fun stuff. And you know, partly what I've been saying all along, during lockdown is some people went into lockdown and they're coming out even though we're not quite out of it, they're coming out worse. You know, they gained weight, they just were depressed. They play video games and watched port all day. Or you could come out of lockdown and be a little bit better. Maybe maybe you learn to cook, or you learn to play an instrument, or you started exercising more of the

rest of it. I've tried to mostly be on the ladder side of that, so people do love the food picks and hopefully I've got a couple other people doing some of that stuff to themselves. Well, let see, Dave. The backstory with all this is that Ben had a birthday here and uh, I was back in April. It was back in April, and I bought the dude a Tomahawks steak nicely, nicely rap ready for for a barbecue, and and he promised me that he would eventually barbecue

when the weather appropriated it. Um. We live in southern California, so it should have been at any time. And to this day, to this day, it's got freezer burns on it. No, just not have I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the perfect moment here to cook the steak. The steak isn't a climate control the freezer. It's going to be fine. Oh listen, If that thing has freezer burnt on it, that is a damn shame because there's not been better than a good,

better than a good all right? Yuh? And now, David, as far as the I would go back to California, I'm obsessed here. I I am so frustrated with the politics in California, coming from the governor on down. And

we do I do a sports radio show. We do sports radio during the week, and it's you know, I know this is a little microcosm of just the world, but you watch different games in like Florida, or there was a Monday night game in Cleveland this week where they actually had fans, and then you've got in California. The forty Niners have to leave the state because of some politicians in in that area and you know, no fans allowed. It's it's just so crazy how they operate here.

And the governor with the whole French laundry thing. Do you think there's a chance here that people might actually wake up in California? The people that are left here and say what are we doing and let's change some of these politicians around. You know, one of the strange things about California, and I moved here after living in New York my whole life is that if you talk to anybody in California, they tell you that the whole

place is mismanaged. They're like, the taxes are high, the roads suck a lot of homeless people, I'm seeing more drug use in my community, schools are terrible, blah blah blah. And yet they seem unable to connect that to the fact that they always vote Democrat and that work Democrat

run state. So you know, you'll see something like people will be saying, Okay, well California, the education system here is terrible, and then they'll be blaming Trump or blaming the Republicans, and it's like, no, they don't have any thing to do with any of this. So so somehow making the connection between oh, I vote for high tax people that then put in policies that destroy small businesses,

like making that connection seems very hard for California. But I will say this, I've met a ton of people over the last few months who are a political who you know, maybe ran a business or a restaurant, whatever it is, and that are suddenly going, WHOA, I didn't even realize what I was voting for. So I do think there's an awakening. And you know, I've been pushing the recall Gavin knew something. We need three thousand signatures

because that guy's an absolute nightmare. Spent fifteen thousand dollars on booze alone at that dinner at French Laundry, David, is there any kind of any kind of emails, direct messages, any kind of text messages that you get that you think, hey, well this is we can take a pragmatic approach to this in California and something that's actually constructive and tangible,

regardless of Gavi Knewsome's recall or not. But there's some wild things that are going on here, especially here in Los Angeles with a new district attorney with no relation to me. But is there a right right right? You're sharing the last name of the new guy and up,

I hope you're not related to them. No, no, But is there anything that you get that you've received from individuals that you say, like, there's actually something here that we can we can show off the bone a little bit and work on I think the main thing is that it's up to you. You know. I think a lot of people think that somehow they're going to vote in somebody that's going to save them, or the cavalry is just going to show up one day and turn this all around. But the simple truth is this is

on us. So every time I see someone that owns a restaurant, fight back, and we're seeing this more and more. Every time I see someone just freaking walking down the street without a mask and it's okay, you're walking your dog. It's l a, it's seventy five and Sonny, whatever little protest you can do in your life. You know, I work out of my house. I have I have my staff come here every day. I serve them food. We

sit there and we talk, We we laugh. You know, these are things that Eric Arsetti wanted us to cancel. Eric ARSETI is not my king, and he's not my god, and unfortunately he is my mayor. But that doesn't give him dominion over my life. So I think if you just go out and live your life as you see fit, and and just because they say something doesn't mean you have to obey it. That's the greatest thing you can do,

is an American truly. What have you done on the business side of things with with the studio set up, with your staff be Is there anything particularly that you're working on right now that you're excited about. Yeah, well,

you know, we started doing this daily show. I I signed on to a three day a week show at the beginning of the fall, and it was going so well that we expanded it to five days a week and I'm still doing the interview shows obviously, and the numbers have been really good, and you know, people are

people are interested. I mean, look, the main thing that I try to do is talk about politics in a way that will not make you angrier or dumber by the end, because if you turn on CNN, I mean, I guarantee you, anyone listening to this, you turn on CNN for fifteen minutes, you will either be dumber or angrier. That did. And what I try to do is say, Okay, there's a lot going on in the world. The world's

pretty nuts. There's some serious stuff. But here's here's three or four stories that I think you should kind of know about. And if you give me twenty minutes, you know, put it in your head and then and then walk away. And I think that that's a better way of approaching the news rather than what most people are doing, which is just keeping everybody outraged. And politics is not everything.

It's just not Davis, we wind down and get ready for one any prediction on when things might actually return to normal as far as general rules and regulations, are we just going to be stuck like this? I saw Bill Gates said it's not I don't know how Bill Gates has all the answers, but what's your Bill Gates? Bill Gates? This guy. First off, I saw that interview with Tapper, and it's like Bill Gates lives in a hundred fifty million dollar mansion in Washington, which has no taxes.

By the way, he always tells you tax the rich and increased taxes, but he happens to live in a state with no taxes, a hundred fifty million dollar mansion, which I don't begrudge him, by the way. You know, I believe in capitalism, but think about the amount of chefs and staff and landscapers and all of the people that he's got working for him in his little fifed him And meanwhile, he's telling these other people that you can't go to work and you can't make a living

and everything else. So you know, these are not great people. And and then I think we again, we keep sort of thinking that just because the politician says something, or because the tech guy says something, that that means they're right. But it's just not the case. But as far as you know, unfortunately, the lockdowns have have been effective at breaking the American spirit in many ways, and I think there's a lot of people that want to keep that going.

You know, when Biden tells you, I want a hundred more days of a of a federal mask man end date, and people are like, oh, well that makes sense. I mean, you know, look, it was ten months ago they were telling us two weeks to flatten the curve, and now he's asking us for a hundred more days for masks in two months from now. None of it makes any sense. There's no science behind it. Why should rancher in Montana have to wear a mask in the same way somebody

walking around Times Square in New York City? Ship Dave, what you mentioned that small businesses being closed down our micromage and the larger ones not so much. Who are some of the reporters that you've looked up to are looked for with regards to answers and why um or what they've done to attack or question people in power that I've tried to trample over individuals rights. O. Man, that's a great question, and the answer is there are

not many. There are not many, you know, off the top of my head, just thinking of a reporter who I think is doing really good job. I mean, I think Andy no has done a great job of in portland' you know, talking about what's going on with Antifa and some of the unrest that's up there. There aren't that many.

I think the best you can do to stay in form is trying to find a couple of people that can that can kind of filter the news for you in a way that that as I said before, it doesn't make you crazy, doesn't make you dumber or angrier. So that that's what I try to do. There's a couple of people that I respect in that space. I think Ben Shapiro does a nice job of it from a conservative perspective. I think Glenn Beck from a more

libertarian perspective. But you've got to find a small group of people that you basically think you can trust and guess what, they're going to get some stuff wrong along the way, including me, And and that's not really the key thing. The key thing is are they are they doing their best to not manipulate you that that's what I'm trying to do? That really is it? Yeah? I mean one that I look at the most is Katherine Herridge.

She came from Fox. Now she's over at CBS, but she really lays things out, highlights things on our tweets and and responds reports accordingly. But it just seems like when you are in d C and you're you're in that that melting pots, sometimes you get you get stuck in all the residue and it just it reeks when you're when you're reporting the news or at least trying to, well, that is what happens. You know, these people that are the pure creatures of d C. It's like, you know,

politics is not everything. And I think they've tricked a lot of people. This is what the progressives have done really well. They've tricked everybody to thinking that politics can solve all of your problems. But politics cannot make you happy, politics cannot give you purpose. Politics cannot give you a

reason to wake up in the morning. Politics if if you're really thinking about it, it's sort of an unnecessary offshoot of being free, meaning that we're born free and then you need some structure so that we're not killing each other. That that pretty much is what politics is. And I always liken it to Game of Thrones. It's like Game of Thrones was a constant quest for power,

which is what politics is. The last scene of Game of Thrones, I hope I'm not blowing it for any everybody, but the last scene is a bunch of guys sitting around the table and everyone else that's you know, he is dead, and they're not that thrilled about it. You know. It's like that, that's how it ends. Because politics is

about crushing people. I want to free people. So in a weird way, I'm less interested in politics now than I've ever been, which is a bizarre thing as a as a guy that talks about politics a lot, just don't ever say bend a knee, all right, exactly exactly. So, So Dave Well, I want go back to Trump here. So if he doesn't, if he doesn't pull a rabbit out of his hat here and he's done for now

as president. What ends up happening? I know there's been some reports about the deep state charging him with crimes and all that, and you think that's actually gonna have mean, that's kind of been an unwritten rule, right the president. You don't you don't charge the president. Is what would Trump be in legal jeopardy? You think, well, I hope not, because you're right. It would break precedent that I think would lead us to a seriously dangerous place. Look, every

administration done some shady stuff. You know. The truth is that if you if you remove the impeachment that ended up sailing and in essence was a sham. If you remove that, Trump didn't have scandals. There were there were made up media things about leaks and people saying he eats too much ice cream and his steak well done and like, you know, some nonsense, but there weren't major scandals in terms of selling arms illegally to somebody, or entering a war out of nowhere or the rest of it.

So the idea that they'd go after him for crimes is pretty dangerous. But what that would ultimately lead to is Okay, if you guys want to open up that door. Well, congratulations, you're not always going to be in power. And then if a Republican comes in after Biden will congratulations, Biden will spend his eighties in jail, and and that's just

then we'll basically be of an Ana Republic. So I really hope that if Trump does not, you know, pull off this second term somehow, that they don't go that route, because it would set us down a pass that would be deeply, deeply dangerous. If Joe Biden wins Dave and he's elected, do you see him serving out his full term? No? God, no, I mean everyone knows that. You know, It's like this guy's got dementia. We all know it. I keep saying, the scandal is a non scandal. The scandal is that

everyone knows something's wrong with him. He can barely read a teleprompter. They're using him as a puppet basically. You know, Nancy Pelosi's talking about the twenty fifth Amendment to basically get rid of him and install Kamala. And the real sickness about that will be not only did they use this guy, not only did they use them, but nobody

talked about it. Aren't you supposed to care about this, like all of these people that are supporting him that knows something wrong, like Barack Obama must know something's wrong with Biden at this point watch videos of Biden from five years ago to now. It is it is very obvious in his speech patterns, the mumbling, the fumbling, and the rest of it that something's not there. On top of the fact that he just broke his foot, he has a cold last week. It's like they're going to

try to drag him out. But Kamala Harris, let's not forget Kamala Harris was pulling at zero amongst her own party when she dropped out. So all of these people, these eighty million people supposedly voted for Biden, they're going to end up with a lady who was pulling zero within their own party. Something doesn't seem right about that. But I don't know if you can say that, Dave, because if you do, that's misogynistic. Oh well, I mean it goes without saying that I'm a misogyn has been right,

And uh, what's the media game here? Because Biden is not good television. Trump's good TV. Biden he's not very entertaining for for the news media, like what do they shift to? They can't continue covering politics the way they've been covering it, can't they? Because if if Biden is

the president, he's pretty boring. Well that's the thing. You can't even see the way they're shifting right now, where it's like, Okay, he's been the quote unquote president elect for a couple of weeks now, and where are the any critical pieces about him or the administration? Everything is a fluff piece. Everything is Oh, he brought in Pete Boodage as transportation sectre terry, and he's gays and it wonderful.

None of it, None of it feels real because it's like, man, you guys look for any excuse for four years to destroy the president. Now you have your guy in and you're just gonna puff them up the whole time. But I think you're right, Trump, whatever Trump does, will still be the show. And maybe in a weird way in one we're in the sort of show must go on version of democracy where it's like, not really that important what happens, it's just what we're paying attention to that matters.

And and in that regard, I think we'll still be paying attention to Trump. Dave, By any chance, did you get a chance to to watch the interview online with the Overstocked CEO Patrick Byrne. So I actually didn't see it yet, but I was when I was in d C last week. I actually pumped into him at the Trump Hotel and we chatted for about a half hour, So I know I know a bit about some of

the stuff. They're interesting. What is like, what's your overall thoughts, even without watching it, Like, what's your overall thoughts about him? And maybe some of the things that he did talk about. Yeah, so sort of on the blue Sky version of it, because I didn't see the full interview, so I don't want to get into like the nitty gritty of the details. Look,

I happen to like Patrick Byrne. I think he's a patriot and a true American, and he's trying to do some work to uncover some stuff that the media will not touch. You know, this is one of these weird situations that I talked about all the time where it's like, man, you know, if the media would just do their job, if they would just report honestly, if they would look at both sides equally, if they would do journalism in essence, just do the thing that's in the very title of

the job. Right, If you would just do that, well, then other people wouldn't have to be doing things. But instead you've your own failure has breeded a thing where you've got now got all these YouTubers who are sitting in their bedrooms doing a better job of journalism. Where you've got people like Patrick Byrne, who's a who's a businessman and uh, you know, ran overstock dot com and

he's big on bitcoin everything else. He's putting in his own money and resources to uncover some election fraud stuff because nobody else will do it. So I I stand with anyone that's trying to uncover truth. Uh, and we'll see what happened. Well, Dave, thanks for coming on. And you've got you've got the book still the holiday Christmas is right around the corner here. What a great stocking stuffer, right, don't burn this book, great stocking stuffer. Yes, don't burn

the stocking that this book is in. I should have said don't burn the door that the book is in, but don't burn the stock that's right. And the Reuben Report of course online. Thank you to appreciate it. Hey, one more thing, guys, Guests gone, You've got to consider changing your name because it's not going to be very safe here in l A for you soon enough, once the people wake up to this clown. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific,